stuff that makes you feel like pic and why do you think so? bonus if it isn’t anything aimed at teens and adults
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what’s the one cartoon you unironically think is mean spirited
catdog
>don’t want to work on a show
>get fricking THREATENED
>or bribed if you’re lucky
No wonder Catdog themselves was treated like shit by nearly every character, the crew had to be channeling their frustration.
>doesn't get thing
>successful
>everything needs to be like thing
A tale as old as time.
The managerial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for man kind.
I only just found out about
>micah wright
and my spontaneous reaction is.. based?
How the frick does someone find Spongebob weirder than CatDog?
early spongebob was a quiet, reserved show - an antithesis to most of nick's lineup at the time barring hey arnold and the failed doug
I'm very curious as to what Cargo Shorts found so appealing about cat Dog compared to Spongebob.
Even as a kid I thought Catdog was a show aimed for people much older than me, it tried to hard to be hip to kids who didn't even know what hip was.
>Suitcoat and cargo shorts
The frick? Who wears that?
Did Spongebob become more like CatDog as time went on?
If anything, it became more like Ren and Stimpy
Show could've been improved by at least giving them one actual friend. Every character was their fricking enemy
I thought that was Lola, but I can't remember how nice she was. There are a lot of cartoons from my childhood I'd like to give another watch, but CatDog really was too mean.
Wow I forgot about her completely
>that clip
Oof that's a bit contrived
>Remind me to pound yah when we stop laughing
>said to a girl
Did they know?
Pounding, you say?
Good fricking lord, the greasers were such c**ts.
they actually had friends with the pig guy and weasel guy but they only ever really focused on the bird girl. Plus there was their Swedish penpal girlfriends and their real mom and dad. Also canon is the reveal Winslow adopted them as babies just to humiliate Cat and is technically their stepdad [/spoilers]
I always hated Winslow.
It’s genuinely impressive how detestable he is, considering he’s up against what’s essentially redneck dog supremacists and a slimy rich politician(?) guy who constantly fricks people over just because.
In this one episode he falls in love with a girl just like him, but she ends up stealing ALL of his shit and only leaves him with a cookie. He’s driven to tears and and autistic as this sounds it was so satisfying to see that frick break down in tears.
But it’s also like, Jesus Christ nobody be happy for a day in this show.
Even they were enemies
Fricking this, especially to cat
The Life & Times of Tim. Not that it's for kids, but yeah.
Frick off, Enter.
Yes He and his followers are oversensitive spergs that use it because they self insert too hard. But to be fair it can reason why you didn’t enjoy something, being overused for the smallest shit or used incorrectly for “this character didn’t get karma or innocent but lost and I’m mad” doesn’t make it invalid.
>>to be fair it can reason why you didn't enjoy something, being overused for the smallest shit or used incorrectly
That's literally Enter logic and can be applied to practically any cartoon that you think the characters were "treated poorly" in.
Not that anon but "being overused for the smallest shit" will obviously get old
Going by that logic, Courage got old because the entire joke of the show is that courage and his family faces abuse in every episode. Tom and Jerry got old because Tom kept getting beaten to a pulp every episode. I can't think of a clear cut example where being "mean spirited" has even impacted a show, let alone ruined it.
Courage had happy endings.
And? So did Catdog, but everyone is complaining that that show was "mean spirited" as well.
It's hard for me to explain without sounding weird. I think the issue is based on a sort of "was this worth my time" feeling. The characters can face all sorts of shit, there can even be unhappy endings, but it has to feel like it was still worth watching. A series that is "too mean-spirited" in my opinion is one that feels like it is on a sadistic level and leaves you with this shitty feeling like you wasted your time. Some shows that were mentioned even go as far as to spit on you for caring.
>>"was this worth my time" feeling
you with this shitty feeling like you wasted your time
I mean, you could just turn it off and watch something else or go outside, anon.
People complaining about shows that are intentionally shitty to the characters in this thread are also hilarious to me, imagine missing the point of a show to the extent that you're all LARPing as humanitarians to a bunch of cartoons.
>just turn it off and go outside
You misunderstand me, anon, because I did just that. I stopped watching. I'm not OP but my opinion is when a show does this, you don't just stop caring, you completely lose interest. It's subjective, sure, I'm just explaining.
>personally I hate it when people call media things like “sadistic” (it can’t hurt you or didn’t force itself on you, just stop engaging with it)
No, I don't mean that. I meant "sadistic" as in sadistic towards the suffering of its characters. When it goes so far you start wondering if the writer at the time is using the character/s as a personal punching bag. As this anon
put it, it's when
>it just leaves you with a gross feeling, like you're watching someone jerk off to the suffering of these characters instead of trying to be funny.
>>it's subjective sure
>>they never left me as a viewer feeling off put
I think admitting that something is subjective blatantly doesn't fit in with the way that guy thinks, but sure, keep trying to pigeonhole people with different opinions than you.
>self awareness at 100 percent
You know what? Here's the response you deserve. ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________(You)____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>You know what?
yeah?
>nooo you're not allowed to dislike something because some other fricking autist also dislikes it
frick off
This is literally the scapegoat some anons use to worship turning red
I gotcha now, I agree that’s fair. I was thinking along of YouTube critic sperginess (and as much shit as enter gets and probably deserves, I think Doug walker was the real patient zero here) of
“why is the thing picking on me-I mean the MC?”
I still like the anyway but you got me thinking satan, was it an exec or a disgruntled writer who made those suggestions? They already had duchess as an antagonist if they couldn’t rely on Terrence too much
I think part of the problem is that Duchess was too kinda too spooky for kids, she ended up having like only two episodes in which she was relevant
there’s entire spooky shows aimed for all ages like courage, grim adventures, ghostbusters, danny phantom to name a few. I think the issue was thinking there needed to be a “supervillain” or major main antagonist in a show like foster’s anyway. were it’s not really that kind of show. Sometimes well meaning but wackily flawed characters getting into hijinks is enough, like Winnie the pooh. Maybe Berry could’ve worked, trying to split Bloo and Mac apart all the time or something
Also typo, I meant to say “I still like the show regardless”
>shows that are intentionally shitty to the characters
That’s the thing, there are cartoons I like or even love that are like that (Simpsons, eene, family guy, zim, billy and Mandy and drawn together to name a few) but they never left me as a viewer feeling off put by it the way Catdog or proud family does
Not that anon, personally I hate it when people call media things like “sadistic” (it can’t hurt you or didn’t force itself on you, just stop engaging with it) because of how dramatic it is. But I do agree with you otherwise. Honestly I don’t even give a shit that Catdog themselves win, lose or even end up at a stalemate at the end of the cartoon, that’s fine. Protagonists don’t always have to end up In a good place. The issue is like, how exhausting it all is? Like even the narrative is against them, and considering
it funny how even metatextually no one is rooting for this cat dog thing
Oh my bad, I meant to say you can dislike a piece of media for being too harsh without flipping out over how badly “good” characters were treated and well “bad” ones were.
I mean, T&J always played with if you’re supposed to have sympathy or even empathy to Tom or Jerry. Not like slapstick requires much moral compassing. but with Courage the narrative was always on his side no matter what scary situation he may be in, he may be cowardly but he loves Muriel and she loves him back. There’s a soul to it.
Which in my opinion something like Catdog severely lacks, everyone is so hostile all the time just to generate plot conflict. Except for the movie, it’s a pretty good watch now and then
Catdog
These. With catdog I sort of get it, they’re supposed to be outcasts but god did it leave a bad taste. Everyone was just so angry and hostile and not fun to watch.
On the other hand Proud family’s cast boggles me since there are some decent characters but even they would turn into a c**t in the blink of an eye. Usually for the sake of whatever message it wants to send. I chalk that one up to bad writing.
I get not liking Bloo or hating the infamous 4 episodes but I never understood why people painted the WHOLE show as mean. Especially with MCs like Wilt, Frankie and Eduardo
As for “nice character gets shit on for standing up for themselves”, outside of the surprise party and goofball shows I don’t recall those
Yeah, Proud Family's kind of odd because it clearly didn't want to be purely a mean-spirited comedy. It tried to have its lessons and morals every now and then to emphasize the family and friendship dynamics. But those serious moments about acceptance feel all the more odd remembering just how genuinely awful all of Penny's friends are and how they never really change.
The infamous 4 being Bendy, Surprise, and what else? Europe?
That’d bendy; Europe; imposter’s home (goofball); and the surprise party. Side note, Europe and Surprise was written by the same guy. I wonder if he really hated working on the show or something or liked it but was way out of his element.
Also unpopular but I personally don’t hate the Bendy or Goofball episodes myself but I get why people do.
Kind of a shame literally everything else gets ignored so people can sperg about these episodes. There’s 70 odd episodes, Why can’t we focus more on the good shit like the movies, ice charades, the bowling contest, or bloo gets famous?
Europe was a great episode IMO; its just the ending with Madame Foster suddenly turning out to be a thunderc**t that ruined it.
That’s cool, I’ve never actually seen a positive take on it. personally for me the real time aspect dragged it down and killed it way before the ending. Plus you can tell they weren’t going to make it anyway by the end of act 1, that’s fine too but agree the ending was weirdly OOC for Madame. She deliberately stole that shit it wasn’t like Mac left them lying around. Maybe the twist being they were just going to an Epcot style pan euro park 3-4 hours away would’ve saved it. Euro Trish is adorable and the art is great as always but that’s about it. To be honest all of the 4 bad shows could’ve been salvaged with a tweak or two, maybe they were only second or third drafts by the time they were finished writing on them
Agreed. Loved it as a kid still because it was like a kids' version of a B-movie: gross, dark and shocking.
Proud Family, both the original and reboot
Haven’t seen much of the reboot (or the original for a good decade) but any reason why they introduced a LaCienenga 2.0 into Penny’s group? Was there just not enough conflict between her and the other 3? She seems to have a real friend in the gay dude and a boyfriend but still, damn. Never bought that these girls were friends at all, yeah teens can be buttholes but like, even other shitty cartoon friend groups can at least have FUN and some connection. It’s just nonstop bickering and sniping with this one.
I do Wonder if they made all the girls shitty just to make Penny look better
Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends. I swear most episodes were built around Bloo being insufferable to a nice character until they snap and then everyone gets mad at the nice character. It wasn't funny and it completely wasted such an open ended concept.
I dont remember it being like that; most episodes ended with Bloo getting karma. But I agree the show boiled down too much on Bloo being a sociopath and Mac being a moralgay.
I always thought it was weird how in the pilot Bloo was kinda mischievous but still pretty good hearted but then in the series he was a MASSIVE thunderc**t who treat everyone around him like dogshit, especially Mac, his supposed best friend. Like, I understand that the Bloo in the pilot would have probably been too boring to carry a whole series and he needed some edge but they went way too far. It made the whole "Mac doesn’t actually want to give up Bloo which is why he visits everyday" too hard to believe because it felt they spent more time mad at each other than getting along
I recall Bloo being funny because he was such an butthole.
many Spongebob episodes after the first three seasons
family guy, fairly odd parents
Invader Zim was mean spirited but in such a comical way that it's obvious that it's facetious.
>Invader Zim was mean spirited but in such a comical way that it's obvious that it's facetious.
Surprised it took this long to mention Zim. But yeah Invader Zim did it right. It never felt like the show hated the characters just that their world was a cruel and stoopid place. Despite their flaws, Membrane, Dib, and Gaz really did love and care about each other.
Numb Chucks
Catdog. Cartoons can be mean spirited and still fun but there's like a weird middle point between a show where only characters that deserve it are punished, and shows that are so over the top like Invader Zim that it's funny when people are punished for no reason. Catdog is the embodiment of that middle point, where it's not fun enough to be over the top about it, and the main characters don't deserve the torment most of the time. So it just leaves you with a gross feeling, like you're watching someone jerk off to the suffering of these characters instead of trying to be funny.
-Drawn together
-maybe coconut fred
Rick and Morty since the third season and not because "characters who don't deserve it get punished".
The show, since that season, has an active contempt for its audience, mocking them for having an active interest in the setting and characters, wanting to see them change and progress in some manner. This contempt would be fine if the show stuck to being a fully episodic show where the point is that we aren't really supposed to care for anything in a meaningful capacity. However, the show keeps throwing moments of levity, progression, and lore that blatantly foster the sort of personal investment into the characters and ongoing story of the show. Because of this, the repeated jabs at the audience for caring come across as not just hypocritical but essentially saying "FRICK YOU for caring about the characters, setting, and plot that we made you care about".
I'm guilty of liking an anime that does BOTH things and god does it never stop being frustrating. I've got to the point where now I say that I like characters from it rather than "I'm a fan of X".
>I'm guilty of liking an anime that does BOTH things and god does it never stop being frustrating
WHAT'S ITS NAME?!! (pls)
Plus the constant Rickwanking. It feels like every other episode has somebody describing him as 'basically like a god' or some shit.
Except that is inconsistent as well with a good few episodes since the whole Rickwanking thing began putting Rick in situations of physical vulnerability that, if he had the insta-touch death skin stuff, build in laser guns, and mechanical exoskeleton etc. of other episodes, shouldn't be much of a threat to him at all. This wouldn't be much of an issue if the show was an episodic comedy where the events of each episode were overwhelmingly self-contained within themselves.
The show as a whole suffers most from an inconsistency since the third season where the show doesn't know who there characters are or ever the type of show it wants to be. Even a show like FOP, in its final seasons, was consistent in being a near purely episodic, random comedy that denigrated its previous continuity besides shallow callbacks to previous episodes and in general broke its old writing rules for the sake of cheap jokes.
At least in S1 Rick was balanced by actually being a drunk grandpa. Him being a dumb drunk feels like it just completely stopped, he started acting like a young sober guy.
It really doesn't help that the episode of the show that most bluntly and literally hinges on his drunkenness as a plot point (Vindicators) got a shit reaction from the fandom, perhaps because they were too busy guffawing themselves silly over Pickle Rick which came out the previous week. Vindicators wasn't a perfect episode, but the basic premise of Rick acting out while blackout drunk, effectively becoming his own villain, was solid gold, a perfect fusion of the drunken Rick and the wanked Rick. I wish we got more like that; it suggested to me that we might see something Nature-quality from Rick - Rick does feel like a character very conducive to having his own version of Nature. (The peak Moral Orel episode).
Robot Chicken feels like some weird israeli torture ritual sometimes.
That's the point of RC
This thread mostly consistent of people who are looking for reasons to call shows shit for being "mean spirited" when most of the time it's just slapstick humor intended for children. Cinemaphile.
>mostly
Nah there's only one or two here that are bait ones
The gag where Optimus Prime gets prostate cancer made me feel bad as a kid
Or and the Calvin and Hobbes gag from the pilot is despicable.
But I loved the rest of the show
*Oh
Mad. I'm not an autist like Mr Enter, but Mad had too way mean spirited parodies for a kid's show, it's like Robot Chicken for kids.
>mean spirited
calm down enter, it's just a cartoon.
Kids from Room 402
Disagree, everyone who tried to pull shenanigans always got punished, and everyone who tried to good was always rewarded.
Johnny Bravo
EEnE
>EEnE
they're buttholes, they deserved to suffer
NTA, and I agree for the most part, but I think the Christmas special stands out in regard, since usually it's Ed and Edd getting punished by proxy for enabling Eddy's shitty behavior but here Edd actively calls him out for being a piece of shit and Ed goes out of his way to steal back the other kids' presents and they both get KANKER'D in the end anyway. That's the only instance that felt off to me.
Steven Universe
Baby Huey
This I remember that one comic that has this cwc vibe
I don't get how Baby Huey is "mean spirited". It's just an overgrown duck in a diaper.
Tom & Jerry. Jerry is a piece of shit and his bullshit antics are not funny. The two dogs are fricking garbage too.
>someone actually said it
You know what, I agree, I still like Tom and Jerry but some episodes I can't stand for that reason.
Especially when Jerry is the instigator
The clint clobber ones?
Herman and katnip, and baby huey os still more mean due to it's violent nature to famous studios cartoons but they're worth watching depends on the characters
Robot Jones.
trying to remember this show is like trying to remember a fever dream. what happened in it to turn you guys off
Billy and Mandy
Especially the way they treat Irwin.
Irwin is the kind of character they try very hard to make it seem like he deserves it. I'm 100% certain the inside joke with Mandy is that she's meant to be the anti-christ, so of course Irwin's pursuit of her always results in his downfall.
(Different anon) I thought it was said somewhere that
>Billy represents the stupidity of humanity
>Mandy represents the cruelty of humanity
So it's not like it's literal but things not turning out well for them isn't that bad after all. That hourglass ep deeply disturbed me though.
Mandy's devil motifs were more common in early episodes.
Shit like her demon-like shadow in the head jump episode, or the Chernobog fantasia parody in the Dream episode.
represents the cruelty of humanity
Honestly, it makes sense why she claims she always wins. Evil in general triumphs a lot over good in BNM.
She looks nothing like her parents and when she was born wolves tried to steal her. Mandy's mom fricked the devil.
Executive thinks it's a Hateful fart cartoon
I remember my gym partners a monkey always leaving a bad taste in my mouth after I watched it
The Loud House. Not always mean-spirited, but I unfortunately remember those episodes more. Especially Heavy Meddle, that was atrocious.
Itt flanderzed characters
I don't remember much of this show other than most of the characters, including the mc, were unlikable dickheads.
Modern Family Guy
They've long since abandoned any semblance of the family enjoying being around one another feels like they're always at each other's throats
That one episode of Futurama where they shit on Susan Boyle for no reason.
I caught this episode once and it actually shocked me with how bad it was. It still pisses me off to no end, what the frick were they thinking? How many kids who already want to kill themselves due to abusive parents will want to kill themselves even more after watching this shit? It's a shit parody, it's a shit episode, it fails on every fricking level. I seriously wish I could shoot whoever thought of this crap.
It would've worked if it had all been made up by Jorgen, or we were only seeing just one side to the new lives of everyone else, and their personalities or some part of there lives were worse in a way without Timmy's involvement. (ex: AJ never made any friends or real social skills due to never meeting Timmy, and rarely enjoys himself. Aside from giving her parents money, Sophia almost never visits her parents, never really acknowledges them or shows she even cares for them, and treats them with the same distain they usually give Timmy when she does meet up with them (which is usually something she's forces herself to do). Tootie's should be obvious.
>all made up by Jorgen
Nah I still think it would’ve pissed people off. He’d still be showing a 10 year old that feels unappreciated all the great things other people could have if he was never born, actual glimpse into an alternate reality or some throwaway magical what-if story. Definitely one of the darkest kid’s cartoons episodes out there.
Also regardless if you think Timmy was doing good deeds just for attention or was actually being nice: AJ destroying the brand new PC was a major dick move. I don’t care it wasn’t the newest model at that exact moment anymore, he could’ve scalped it online or just exchanged it at the store
The take away for me is that if you have nothing to live for at least live to spite the world around you. Spite is the last human emotion that remains after all. The best revenge is to live well.
It might just be me but the later seasons of Gumball felt ugly, both in the drawings and the general feel. Every character got their worst personality traits exaggerated and the humor got more “memey” and cynical, and tries way too hard at social satire.
Part of it may be that the earlier seasons were rather happy-go-lucky and lacked that cynicism.
That episode of Dexter's lab where Dexter gets mindbroken and Deedee makes him put a fish in his underwear and kiss a duck's butthole.
I used to think the blue kid in Cramp Twins was a c**t with no redeeming qualities to him.
Granted I was a kid back then but I think I was right.
It’s because the relationship between Mac and blue is kind of fricked. Again, they’ll supposed to feel like best friends but they spend most of time being pissed at each other. You brought up Cartman in that’s a pretty good comparison because Cartman is only "friends" with the other South Park boys because he’s in the same class. No one actually likes Cartman, he’s just that kid you can never get rid of because of his proximity so you might as well be friends and Mac & Bloo feel like they have the same kind of dynamic. They don’t feel like they’re friends because they like each other, they feel like they’re friends out of obligation
Robot jones
Gravity Falls, it's not the worst example but to me it feels like that detestable millennial thing where they'll do the ironic silly "haha we're not taking this serious thing seriously" spiel for laughs, but then expect you to actually take it seriously when the time comes. Undertale did the same thing.
Thats not even close to what "mean-spirited" means. OP didnt ask for any cartoon you dislike for any reason.
This whole ass show. So mean-spirited it’s cringeworthy.
Was 90s shows always this mean spirited?
Big mouth.
Satanic piece of shit, burn it all down
I hate the way Klaus is treated on American Dad as it's people beating up on someone who's essentially crippled. It's utterly witless cruelty to rub a guy's disability in his face and to take advantage of his small size and helplessness.
I always thought this was because of the staunch change in writing. Like with Cleveland show Seth just has a thing for inventing a funny voice for an animal character with a few basic personality points and seeing what sticks and in the case of Klaus he failed to become interesting.
As American Dad obtained better writing and Rodger became more and more developed and fun to write for, Klaus became unnecessary. So as a way to sort celebrate the failure of the character he became a punching bag.
This isn't too far removed for what happened to Meg. Seth tried a few teen drama elements in early seasons but couldn't get Meg to be funny, so she gradually became a punching bag just as Chris became a one trick pony.
tbf, Klaus is a dick and G*rms deserve only suffering
leave with you homosexual
Ren & Stimpy. I really cant stand to watch it anymore, its just constant negativity. And if something torturous or violent isnt happening, its just some surreal psychedelic shit. It doesnt make me laugh at all.
Was gonna say that but it makes the show more entertaining and fun to watch
I’d honestly say Rick and Morty post season 1. It went from a show that was just absurd and weird to just feeling so up its own ass that you can feel the outward hatred for everything in the show. Everything just screams “Everything sucks who cares” all the time, and its exhausting.
60s looney tunes
This is interesting. I'm not a huge Looney Tunes buff or anything, so could you please give some examples?
Eric stressed
Oh definitely
Alot of goanimate videos tend to be this
I liked Robot Jones as a kid but when I rewatched it as an adult I was put off by how stupidly mean-spirited it was.
I know there's that theory or whatever that it was leading up to robot going nuts and genocidal but if they were gonna do that they should've actually done it instead of just making a cartoon where everyone is an butthole and it just goes nowhere.
Animals of Farthing Wood. Mean spirited might be the wrong word, though.
Bebe’s Kids.
Pussy.
Meet Arnold
>Yes, advertising can be annoying
>But it allows for you to exist
>It allows for countless cool things to exist in this world
>And uncool things too
>Take you for example, Arnie
>YOU SUCK
>But I still love you
>It's my job
Its mostly the contrast between the pilot special and his personality in the series proper; I don't think butthole Bloo was bad, in fact it was the most entertaining aspect of the series.