What's the point of this? Why is there so much of this? Is garfield r63 a new phenomena?
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What's the point of this? Why is there so much of this? Is garfield r63 a new phenomena?
>r63
Anon... I...
Isn't that what its called?
It's still a man. It's yassification.
Note the badge on Garfield's chest. Do you see that pattern of blue, pink, and white stripes? That is the chosen emblem of those who are, or align themselves with, the transgendered. The implication here being that the Garfield depicted in this image now identifies as female, despite having been born as a male. Presumably the artist is among that group, or strongly supports them.
This is in contrast to the usual notion of Rule 63 artwork, which generally depicts characters as they would be if they had been that way from the beginning. Well, generally they depict male characters as sexy female versions of themselves, rather than being directly comparable designs, and there are relatively few such instances depicting male versions of female characters, but that's generally how fanart works so whatever.
I hope this helps.
>Tl:dr its basically the same thing but with exta steps
not really.
maybe she's just an ally?
No Garfield’s clearly an Axis with all the Italian they eat.
The correct term is "enabler".
Get in my butthole too, there's room
It's still drawn exactly as a female and they just put a troony badge on it
yes troony shit it's zoomer's rule 63, that's the appeal.
Don't act like r63 wasn't gay back then now.
r63 is legit being born woman, some other parallel world, or 100% transformed by magic means.
Slapping a flag on it drags politics into it and the idea that surgery was done. You'd have a better case calling bimbofication gay.
One is what if or at worst Rama style antics, the other is slicing your dick off.
>r63
>troony flag
Not in this case, my fair moron.
It's not just Garfield. Taking a random character and transcribing their features or personality onto a hot girl is just an excuse for an artist to draw more attractive girls. And I'm all for it. Why do you think the gender swap threads are so popular around here?
So is female garfield hot to you?
>female
....should we tell him?
yes
it 100% started because of that "gothfield" shit a year or so back.
I'm sure the Bodyhorrorfield art might have had an influence somewhat
isn't rule63 a female version of a thing, not a transgender version?
>Why is there so much of this?
everyone is trying to make the next meme waifu of the week like bowsette because it helps gain followers.
simplest way to do this is to draw famous existing IP but slap them on the same female body shape that the artist draws from muscle memory so they don't have to leave their comfort zone.
most others then draw "fan art" of the design so that they can get exposure from the original artist by getting their fan art in early which makes people think its popular so it gets drawn more making it a "self fulfilling meme"
How many times is "Garfield but he looks hot" gonna trend because this shit was already old by the time Gothfield happened.
Judging by the trans pin thing it's not even rule 63
Is this the new heckin wholesome valid meme of the month?
Would've been funnier if there was a comic-accurate Odie on the couch instead of a random cat.
hanging garfield troonjak made by basedposters just around the corner. I can see it...
Oh boy another gay ass image to flood threads with, greaaaaaat.
I swear Furry artists are either really good or really shit, there's no in between.
it's good quality but is it "good"
These images would be infinitely better with more originality and less trend chasing with shit like Garfield and gay pride.
unfortunately, the artist (godivaghoul.tumblr.com) is very much about the latter
I don't mind if that guy at least does shit that isn't just jerking off LGBT people simply for existing.
so is it lgbt pandering just because female garfield is trans?
No, it’s LGBT pandering because of pics likw this
it just screams “praise me for existing”.
Can't have earnest, honest art anymore, everything needs to be coated in layers of irony otherwise people will think you're cringe.
its not cringe because it's earnest, it's cringe because it's promoting a harmful ideology
You picked a hell of a site to come whining to about harmful ideologies.
Would.
Also, this really did become a stealth /misc/ thread. All over a single badge.
Don’t even gotta explain how autistic that is.
Just shows that homies shouldn't be posting that sit over here, it attract annoying troons.
do trans people have an inflated sense of self value
Enough of this stupid shit it's a fricking fat ass cat used for mediocre jokes, this is ridiculous, and not in a fun way this is egotistical as hell.
It’s Garfield, anon.
He is beyond our existences.
Coin flip.
Trans people go from "YASS QWEEN SLAYYY!!! Feeling *sparkles* sexy todayyyyy!!! <3" to "why does everyone hate me, I hate myself, I'm so ugly and in debt, I wish I could go back to being normal again..." on a whim, back and forth and back and forth forever. There is no in-between.
God I miss fat, uncaring, "I hate Mondays" femGarfield, not this stuff.
>God I miss fat, uncaring, "I hate Mondays" femGarfield, not this stuff.
you including a fem infront of Garfield, It's just Garfield any way you cut it.
Here you go, gay
Not sure why someone would make Garfield trans when Nermal is right there
everyone does, look at how many redpill YT channels have some latin name or quote attributed to them
>someone you don't like possesses self-esteem
clearly they are insane, because if they were sane they would hate themselves like you hate yourself, right?
Damn, Garfield looks like that!
God, I want to frick true Nermal! <3<3<3
Why did you post the edit?
Garfields been a mascot by leftist irony bros for a few years
I mean, in this specific case is the artist drawing themself as Garfield for the lulz. There's litterally anything more to it. The rest of the artist's gallery is filled with nothing but naked women but you decided to focus on Garfield.
You can see naked girls in damn near any corner of the internet. Transgender arthoe Garfield has a sort of bizarre novelty going for it.
Because Garfield is beyond us.
>my mom is a big garfield fan
>calls me garfield because im neetmode (affectionately though)
>name sticks
>she offhandedly calls me garfield since highschool ended pretty much
>Transgender Garfield is making me question things
Uh bros... I was kinda memeing about it ironically at first but the irony has started to fade
>the irony has started to fade
it always does
what do you mean
whenever people do things ironicly the irony always fades with time and people just start doing it idk what else to say
So what do i do?
Stop doing things ironically.
i've been doing ironic things my whole life!
That means you're a pretentious hipster.
So who am i really?
Not sure why you're asking me but I just said you're a hipster.
>transgender garfield making you feel things
Bro, you're not gay, the character's drawn as a "girl". Don't fall for the same shit the weebs do; just because a dude is drawn like a woman and makes your peepee tickle doesn't mean you're gay, it means you like feminine traits.
If you were gay, you'd care more about the dick that may or may not be there.
Watching Twitter artists go gay because some shit "male" bustyboy femboy OC made them feel things is primo cringe and I hate that people go gay just because they imagine the "guy" with a male voice or something, frick if I know, all I know is that artists that draw regular-ass women keep getting sucked into this garbage.
Buddy, either they're fricking men or they ain't. If they aren't they haven't "gone gay" and if they are they weren't tricked into it by femboy porn.
he read too many greentexts and thought it was real
i know im gay for other reasons..
It’s called playing the system, they go “gay” whatever flavor of ice pop they want and suddenly people clap and watch them more.
i think anon thinks he's trans
>"Go gay"
No one "goes gay"
You're gay or you're not
Anyone that thinks people can "go gay" is projecting their own repressed desires on others.
I agree with your sentiment, but I think that guy was referring to people seeing trans women who look good and then going 'I guess I like dudes' which is reductive and transphobic because, as he said, the things you find hot are 'traditionally feminine traits'.
This is why I’ll never understand this shit. You could have a femboy who is still 100% male, does not consider himself a “woman”, but still looks feminine or whatever (what used to be called a trap, I guess) and liking that is gay. But liking a “trans woman” who is, for all intents and purposes, the same thing except you have to refer to them as “she”, is straight? Where the frick is the logic? It feels like the same kind of ideologically flimsy reasoning and logic that religions use in their dogma. It doesn’t make a single ounce of sense when you think about it for more than a minute.
I don’t hate trannies but I am staunchly of the mindset that if you want to be taken seriously about switching your gender, you need to go all the way and have the surgery done. Otherwise you’re just a crossdresser with more than the usual amount of psychological issues.
>Man can't wrap his head around sex vs gender, film at eleven
Just stop dwelling on shit that doesn't effect you and treating descriptors of sexuality (gay vs straight) as some kind of magic spell.
You know what happens to me when I run into a FTM I find attractive for their remaining feminine features? Nothing, because I don't give a shit what people call themselves. I politely use whatever gender words they want and continue with my life without any existential crisis over gender or my sexuality.
It's called "not being a perpetually self-involved spaz," you should try it.
Sex and gender are intrinsically linked, moron.
Sure but theyre not the same thing just because they have a relationship.
“Gender identity” is pseudoscience based in beliefs, not facts. Many people have been taught to believe that being “trans” is something that is biologically pre-determined, in the same way that same-sex attraction is. This lie is based on a bad interpretation of brain studies.
The truth is there is no evidence to support the claim that one can have a “male brain in a female body” or vice versa. There is biological evidence of same-sex attraction and autogynephilia, but nothing to show evidence of “gender identity” or gender dysphoria in the brain.
This misunderstanding means there’s no such thing as a “trans kid.” There are only kids who don’t conform to sex-based stereotypes, many of whom grow up to be gay. Socially transitioning children has been shown to make it less likely to desist, leading to medical transition.
Given the irreversibility & sterility of medical transition, it is a decision for adults to make. Some adults are happier presenting as the opposite sex, but it should never be prefaced on the lie that they were “born in the wrong body” for which no evidence exists to support.
>autogynephilia
It's okay, guys, that's the sign you don't have to listen to his opinion, he just heard Ben Shapiro or Steven Crowder use that term and is using it as a substitute for an actually nuanced understanding of humanity and the world
>autogenophilia is not a thing
>why?
>IT JUST ISNT OKAY???
Weak
>both have problems getting dates
>not dating another
I guess their personalities are so shitty that they even dont want to date another?
Writing a schizo rant is the opposite of what I told you to do
>Brains aren't sexually dimorphic
lmao moron
Stopped reading there
Facts don't care about your feelings sweetie
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neuroscience_of_sex_differences
Anon anon anon
Please.
Stop being a midwit moron.
Trans
In case anyone wanted to know, current neuroimaging data does NOT support the hypothesis that gender dysphoria is caused by a brain of the opposite sex!
The statement that begins, "a "trans" person's brain chemistry..." presupposes that there is a different type of human that is distinct from male or female then purports to provide the reason for the claim that is already taken as a given.
Are you the same homosexual from yesterday that cited a study about brain scans that showed trans brain structures still adhered to cis brain structures by over 75% ans claimed that some how made it that those brains were the opposite of their biological body? Because you are one dumb motherfricker.
>In case anyone wanted to know, current neuroimaging data does NOT support the hypothesis that gender dysphoria is caused by a brain of the opposite sex!
Wrong again, Black person
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7415463/#:~:text=It%20is%20known%20that%20the%20structure%20of%20male%20and%20female,gender%20to%20which%20they%20identify.
>Are you an anon from another thread
No you literal child, but if he did somehow show trans brains were 25% physically different from cis brains that's pretty damning evidence against your hypotheses.
Sure sounds like you're just fricking wrong
>Wrong again, Black person
lmao
The hsts tw have homosexual male typical brains, the agp tw have extremely male typical brains.
There are male-typical and female-typical brains if you do a multivariate analysis.
AGP tw have male typical brains & HSTS tw have male homosexual typical brains.
https://sillyolme.wordpress.com
has an overview of the evidence.
>pretty damning evidence against your hypotheses.
It literally is impossible because the whole body is sexed. There are no more wrong brains / wrong bodies than there are wrong livers. If a male is born with a liver the size/performance of the average female liver, no one has EVER suggested that it is actually a female one
>Sillyolme.wordpress
Ahh yes, that storied medical journal
>Proof that trans brains are physically different doesn't count because uhhh... IT JUST DOESN'T OK. LIVER SIZE!
Facts don't care about your feelings
>storied medical journal
They are mentioned on the link. Did you not even click troonon?
>Proof that trans brains are physically different doesn't count because uhhh
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30084980/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21467211/
>Posts links that both posit a neurobiological cause for gender dysphoria
Fricking hilarious
I don't even need to make this reply, you destroyed your own argument and the argument of every /misc/gay ITT without me needing to do a thing
Tbh one study just shows that agp trannies have the brain of their sex, while homossexual trannies have the brain of homossexuals. Pretty far from what tranon is arguing.
>dysphoria primarily involves cerebral networks mediating self-body perception
>The observed changes in MtF-TR bring attention to the networks inferred in processing of body perception
Both of your studies suggest a neurological origin for dysphoria
>In case anyone wanted to know, current neuroimaging data does NOT support the hypothesis that gender dysphoria is caused by a brain of the opposite sex!
Incorrect tbh
>There is biological evidence of same-sex attraction
There isn't either.
I've fricked ass and it's always been a 100% a lust thing for me. I still have to feel romantic, non-platonic feelings for a male.
Okay, I will agree with your lived experience.
I have seem Harvard academics say that sexuaity can be shaped by the envirement rather than something that you are simply "born as".
Brother we don't have an estrus cycle, that alone makes up biological hedonists. To you 5 senses a hole is a hole.
Most of your sexual behavior IS environmental. Men would be openly bisexual, on the same numbers as women, if it weren't universally perceived that anal sex is dirty and males who take dick are emasculated. Both are environmental factors.
Arguing there's basically magical biochemistry like female brain on male body or some absolutely moronic inborn cognitive trigger that makes you want to suck dick is idiotic.
I started fricked ass because we were bored and alone. I sucked dick because the environment I was in made it fun. After it stopped being fun, my thoughts became 100% focused on pussy for over a decade.
The idea that it was an inborn thing was pushed by activists as a rhetoric trick, even if there are plenty of evidene that this is not the case.
I would almost agree with you if not for the bit about taking dick being emasculating and dirty being “environmental”. One, it is in fact dirty and can be dangerous (statistically more so than standard male/female intercourse), and two, is it *really* only environmental if the vast, vast, vast majority of humans the world over consider men who take dick to be taking in a sexually feminine role? There’s a reason it’s universally perceived as such, it IS emasculating. Whether or not that is considered a “bad” or “shameful” thing is more environmental.
For a very long time I’ve only considered people who feel genuine romantic, long term desire towards the same sex to be gay/bisexual. If you’re just doing it because you’re horny, bored, or curious, then you’re essentially participating in an exotic/taboo sex act rather than experiencing a genuine attraction to a partner of the same sex.
I most likely could but the idea of love is intrinsically tied with having a family to me. So male love is "in the way". But it's not like I haven't cuddled.
>I sucked dick because I was bored not because I find dick attractive!
homie u gay
Most men don't want to suck dick no matter how bored they are
homies always projecting
You don't say?
> if gender is a social construct, then becoming transgender means society made you transgender, not your birth. Therefore trans people were not born that way.
> if its based on brain structure, then saying "I feel like a woman" isn't proof that a person is trans, because they could lack a "trans brain structure". Therefore identifying as a woman does not make you a woman.
Besides, if they are born trans, then gender is not a social construct, but something innate. The idea that you can separate stereotypes from biology, then say that following the stereotypes is enough to be that biological entity is pure non sense - and could be used for things like Race and Specie.
There are even examples of it being used for specie in many remote tribes.
>Trying to disprove the existence of a class of people with word games
Why are you like this?
Did a troony kill your father in front of you?
>logic is now word games
>Trying to disprove the existence of a class of people with word games
I care about good argumentation, logic and well funded ideologies.
If you yave none of that, and the idea of any concistency whatsoever makes you screech, then you are just part of a CULT.
What you have to say fanatic-kun?
>I care about semantics and ideology
I care about treating human beings to reduce suicide rate and improve quality of life
Me too, we should be encouraging the deconstruction of harmful gender stereotypes and encouraging therapy to negate feelings of dysphoria rather than sending humans down a medical pipeline for the rest of their lives and making them into mockeries of nature! I agree!
Its funny because trans people and drag queens only ENCOURAGE harmful gender stereotypes because they base thier transness on appealing to those stereotypes to calm thier autism.
>Me too!
You just said the opposite and are clearly against things that are proven to do so. There's no need to pretend you're being a humanist here, you're not going to trick anyone.
>I care about treating human beings to reduce suicide rate and improve quality of life
unless it's detransitioners
So you are an enabler.
>to reduce suicide rate
Do you know what reduces suicide more? Never being introduced to troony ideology to begin with.
>and improve quality of life
Do you know what improves it? Never being introduced to troony ideology to begin with.
Inflating suicide risk & presenting transition as the only alternative to suicide when it comes to dealing with gender dysphoria. This increases desperation to transition, suppresses questions or doubts a person may have, & pushes patients to conceal other issues from doctors.
Vilifying and attacking detransitioners as traitors and existential threats to the community, thus demonstrating to current members of the trans community *exactly what will happen to them* if they step out of line or—god forbid—leave.
>Do you know what reduces suicide more? Never being introduced to troony ideology to begin with.
Let's see your data on that.
Oh? There's no data? Just you pretending that gender dysphoria doesn't real and it's all le heckin' grooming?
The pastel scare is some really dumb shit
>Let's see your data on that.
Not him, but the suicide talking point doesn't make sense. Why suicide rates are increasing then?
You know, I never understood it, if there are so many trans people (the rates are surging in pretty much all age brackets) and transing helps with their mental health, why are suicide rates rising?
Why werent all the trans people killing themselves in the past? The Trans say they always existed and that there is a big portion of the population that is trans and hide it and they rope themselves if you even use the wrong pronoun, so there should have been massive suicide rates in the past, specially among all the males who would be pressured in strict gender roles and have much better documentation.
Either they weren't trans in the past, or staying the closet prevented more suicides than transitioning. There is really no other explanation.
>If transitioning lowers trans suicide rates why are global suicide rates going up!
Because those are two entirely different figures?
This is a level of idiocy where the right answer tends to be "stop worrying about it and go play with your action figures"
"If the globe is warming, and heat evaporates water, why would the sea levels be rising? Check and mate, globe-heads."
>Because those are two entirely different figures?
>I-it prevents suicide!!!!!
>so why are they increasing?
>uuuh
Either said prevention has negligible effect, or its just prevents suicides that happen because these people have been introduced to your ideology.
>The pastel scare is some really dumb shit
homie, your kind ruins everything.
>Trans ruined drag!
Weird take, especially since transvestites and transsexuals are two different things
Different anon.
I was previously under the impression that transvestites weren't a sexual or gender identity, just a hobby.
ruined drag!
Are you moronic? Did you click the picture and read what is writen on the right side?
You didnt read the image
>Let's see your data on that.
>Oh? There's no data?
We know most if left alone outgrow dysphoria, and those who are given blockers almost always then continue on to cross-sex hormones and surgery. So we know many who would have naturally outgrown their dysphoria are instead having their dysphoria cemented by blockers.
But over 80% of adolescents with dysphoria who are left alone usually outgrow their dysphoria by puberty and become gay adults. For children given puberty blockers, practically 0% outgrow their dysphoria.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=90229789
Then there are ALL the terrible side effects of troon ideology: Puberty blockers may actually cause depression and other emotional disturbances related to suicide. In fact, the package insert for Lupron, the number one prescribed puberty blocker in America, lists “emotional instability” as a side effect and warns prescribers to “Monitor for development or worsening of psychiatric symptoms during treatment.” Similarly, discussing an experimental trial of puberty blockers in the U.K., Oxford University Professor Michael Biggs wrote, “There was no statistically significant difference in psychosocial functioning between the group given blockers and the group given only psychological support. In addition, there is unpublished evidence that after a year on [puberty blockers] children reported greater self-harm, and the girls also experienced more behavioral and emotional problems and expressed greater dissatisfaction with their body—so puberty blockers exacerbated gender dysphoria.”
The largest long-term followup with post-op transition patients (Dhejne 2011) found that patients who underwent surgical transition were at a higher risk of mortality by suicide versus patients who stopped at hormone therapy or stopped their transition.
>We know most if left alone outgrow dysphoria
[citation needed]
>those who are given blockers almost always then continue on to cross-sex hormones and surgery
[citation needed]
>They grow out of it!
>"Citation" is an unsourced op ed interview
lmao
>Treatment has side effects!
Which is why level of treatment is based on level of distress and benefit vs harm analysis
>Dhejne 2011
Finally a real citation!
Sadly you can't read, because it says they are at a higher risk of suicide than cis controls, not un-transitioned gender dysphoria patients. It also says they're at a lower risk of suicide than the untreated - the exact opposite of your claim.
It's really funny to me that people keep bringing up the same misinterpretation of Dhejne. Did you get fed a line and you're repeating it or is it just a top google result?
Anon, what a poor reading. Not even that anon but "t-they were cis so it doesn't count as outgrowing dysphoria" is moronic when the entire point anon is making is that they would have been trannies if they had been put in blockers or hormones earlier (which is what your side desires). Hell, even the usage of "cis" is pretty moronic.
Blockers have been bannes more and more, in part because people are realizing that a massive majority of people who don't go on blockers grow out of dysphoria, while those that go on it almost never do - which raises the case that putting people on blockers contributes to it.
>They were untreated trans!
No, they were gen pop controls. People never diagnosed with dysphoria.
You are moronic and illiterate
>The largest long-term followup with post-op transition patients (Dhejne 2011) found that patients who underwent surgical transition were at a higher risk of mortality by suicide versus patients who stopped at hormone therapy or stopped their transition.
Dhejne has never ever made that claim and has given many interviews discussing how dishonest politicos with an agenda to push misrepresent her findings deliberately
Anon stop
He's already dead
You can cry as much as you want, because of your agenda, but the results are clear.
>overall mortality for sex-reassigned persons was higher during follow-up (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 1.8–4.3) than for controls of the same birth sex, particularly death from suicide (aHR 19.1; 95% CI 5.8–62.9). Sex-reassigned persons also had an increased risk for suicide attempts (aHR 4.9; 95% CI 2.9–8.5) and psychiatric inpatient care (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 2.0–3.9).
We're just now seeing the incredibly damaging long-term effects of putting millions of kids misdiagnosed with attention-deficit or depression or bipolar disorder on drugs during their developmental years. Persistent lapses in concentration or cognitive faculty after building up tolerances, chronic migraines, insomnia, mood swings, memory loss, etc. An entire generation of kids fricked up by being peer pressured into taking pills simply because they were a bit fidgety in class or a bit down after getting dumped by a girl in their class.
In another decade we'll be talking about the epidemic of suicides and developmental issues in the wake of an entire generation taking puberty blockers or hormone replacement regimens or underwent surgery just because they were a bit of a tomboyish girl or a sensitive boy in grade school.
>overall mortality for sex-reassigned persons was higher during follow-up (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 1.8–4.3) than for controls of the same birth sex, particularly death from suicide (aHR 19.1; 95% CI 5.8–62.9). Sex-reassigned persons also had an increased risk for suicide attempts (aHR 4.9; 95% CI 2.9–8.5) and psychiatric inpatient care (aHR 2.8; 95% CI 2.0–3.9).
Doesnt this just mean trans people are more suicidal than cis people? We already knew that.
Nah, that is about people who claimed to have gd and did surgeries, and the ones who claimed to have gd and didn't.
The most thorough follow-up of sex-reassigned people—extending over 30 years and conducted in Sweden, where the culture is strongly supportive of the transgendered—documents their lifelong mental unrest. Ten to 15 years after surgical reassignment, the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to 20 times that of comparable peers.
The controls are cis you moron
The study says the opposite of what you think it does
Learn to read
>But over 80% of adolescents with dysphoria who are left alone usually outgrow their dysphoria by puberty and become gay adults. For children given puberty blockers, practically 0% outgrow their dysphoria.
Nah, its like a single digit %. And of that % its another single digit % who say they detransitioned due to not being trans.
The 80% myth comes from quacks like zucker who is in that npr interview. In addition to the alleged child abuse, zuckers work is tainted by his "patients" not fitting the criteria needed to be considered gender dysphoric. They did not all experience consistent and long term dysphoria. Many were just gender non conforming and gay. Surprise surprise, it turns out gay kids and trans kids are different. Exactly like gay and trans adults said.
Theres also bad studies done by iirc steesma where a large number of participants couldnt be located after the study concluded so they just decided to count them as detransitioning.
>Nah, its like a single digit %.
Anon, it's talking about people who are not put in wrong sex hormones as soon as possible. The entire point is pointing out that not subjecting them to that leads to less dysphoria.
"trans kids" are just like vegan cats. Also, kids also grow out of phases. Why are so many mentally ill men so adamant about making sure kids can have puberty blockers, estrogen pills and getting their dick chopped off?
Even if you go through all the drugs, and remove your balls before puberty, you will still have a male skeleton. You will have the posture of a man. the hips of a man. the wide shoulders and massive feet of a man, and not only that you will smell like a man when you sweat. Like, there is only so much you can do surface wise to change your appearance.
No such thing as wrong sex hormones, both sexes produce and need both testosterone and estrogen to be healthy.
>The entire point is pointing out that not subjecting them to that leads to less dysphoria.
Which is still not demonstrated by your data which only shows us that kids who do not meet the criteria for gender dysphoria will not engage in gender transition for long.
The rest of your post is also wrong; bone development is hormonally impacted, scent is the first thing to change, foot size is already variable, hip width is determined in large part by fat distribution which hrt greatly affects, etc. If it was true thered be no panic over the whole "trans people MUST disclose" thing.
Delusion
You will never be a woman cope seethe
Not an argument!
Maybe you ought to go back to rimming the other guy.
You’re right, it’s not an argument, it’s just a statement of fact. And no thanks, I don’t like licking mens’ buttholes, I’ll leave that to you.
>No such thing as wrong sex hormones
Anon, are you stupid? Can't you understand by context that this means giving absurd doses of specific hormones for people of the wrong sex?
Are you dense?
Men who identify as women are given supraphysiologic doses of estrogen; theoretically, this has the potential to worsen both depression and anxiety.
There are also no loss to follow up longitudinal studies that proves males have much worse mental health consequences on estradiol just as the cause effect research says. Destroying glial cells have consequences , 50 year Amsterdam study by deblok. Wrong sex hormones have been show to frick over your bain and body. This is based on 1H MRS studies.
>Which is still not demonstrated by your data
Anon, it's an inference based on the data that we have - there is no way to do a proper "what if this erson had never taken hormones?" because we are not time travellers - BUT Cass has challenged on clinical grounds that things like blockers might induse people into more gender dysphoria, because those who don't engage on it mostly grow out of it.
https://cass.independent-review.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Cass-Review-Letter-to-NHSE_19-July-2022.pdf
>Anon, are you stupid?
Im not the one who thinks women shouldnt have any testosterone lol
>theoretically, this has the potential to worsen both depression and anxiety.
1. According to who?
2. Despite this theory, whoevers it is, the data shows a reduction in suicidality and increase in reported quality of life in just about every study
>Anon, it's an inference based on the data that we have -
But its not relevant data.
>there is no way to do a proper study
There is actually. Take people who fit the criteria for childhood gender dysphoria and then follow what happens to them when they do and dont transition. Dont just yell at gay kids to stop enjoying theater and call it a detransition like zucker did lol
I prefer the sophisticated taste of milf butt
>Im not the one who thinks
lmao
Point where I said it. I literally had to point ot you that:
Can't you understand by context that this means giving absurd doses of specific hormones for people of the wrong sex?
And you lack any good comeback for it.
>1. According to who?
Anon, this is a very know side effect. If you are a troony you are/or at least should be informed of it. Women who identify as men are given enough testosterone to raise their levels 10-40 times above the female reference range. Past studies have documented multiple psychiatric problems with similar high doses of anabolic steroids like testosterone such that 23% of subjects met DSM criteria for a major mood syndrome such as mania, hypomania, and major depression, and 3.4-12% developed psychotic symptoms. Estrogen also impacts mood in complex ways. Post menopausal women treated with estrogen often experience severe anxiety despite being placed on physiologic doses of the hormone. Men who identify as women are given supraphysiologic doses of estrogen; theoretically, this has the potential to worsen both depression and anxiety.
>But its not relevant data.
You are full of cope, due to your agenda.
>There is actually. Take people who fit the criteria for childhood gender dysphoria and then follow what happens to them when they do and dont transition.
This happened. Again it's part of the reason that blockers are being challenged. You fail to grab the fact that your ideology will just decry that those who didn't were never "trans" after all to cover for any possible interpretation that pushing them to treatment is what is making the gd worse and setting them up as trannies for life.
>I prefer the
We all know you are an incel anon. Cmon.
>Point where I said it
Ctrl f "wrong sex hormones"
>Anon, this is a very know side effect.
Is it? Cant be that well known since its not born out in the data which shows reduced suicidality and increased self reported quality of life.
>You are full of cope, due to your agenda.
If by agenda you mean commitment to ethical medical research....
>This happened
It didnt. Zuckers patients did not meet rhe criteria for childhood gender dysphoria.
It sort of happened when todays trans adults werent allowed to transition as kids but idk if you wanna get into that one lol just digs you deeper
>Ctrl f "wrong sex hormones"
Disgenious - see: Can't you understand by context that this means giving absurd doses of specific hormones for people of the wrong sex?
>Is it?
Yes. When estrogen is disrupted or fluctuates too greatly, it leaves the brain at higher risk for depression, so does lack of testosterone in men tbh.
>Cant be that well known since its not born out in the data
Literally highly recognized, and most troony sites like transcare will menton it as a side effect.
>educed suicidality and increased self reported quality of life.
Again anon: The most thorough follow-up of sex-reassigned people—extending over 30 years and conducted in Sweden, where the culture is strongly supportive of the transgendered—documents their lifelong mental unrest. Ten to 15 years after surgical reassignment, the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to 20 times that of comparable peers.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885
>If by agenda you mean....
....Your deep desire of grooming, yes.
>It didnt.
I'm not even mentioning Zuckers, and I already posted links to it being challenged in clinical grounds, AND many medical organizations around the world, including the Australian College of Physicians, the Royal College of General Practitioners in the United Kingdom, and the Swedish National Council for Medical Ethics have characterized these interventions in children as experimental and dangerous. World renowned Swedish psychiatrist Dr. Christopher Gillberg has said that pediatric transition is “possibly one of the greatest scandals in medical history” and called for “an immediate moratorium on the use of puberty blocker drugs because of their unknown long-term effects.”
Those sites like transcare warn about moodiness sure but none of them suggest hrt will ONLY depress you, theyre all quite clear it provides tremendous relief from gender dysphoria. Which dhejne also agrees with. The study you keep misinterpreting doesnt say transitioning leads to increased suicide in gender dysphoric people and also "transgendered" isnt a word. Someone isnt chinesed for instance.
And while there is a well funded backlash atm the current medical consensus remains in favor of trans care
>Those sites like transcare warn about moodiness sure but none of them suggest hrt will ONLY depress you,
LMAO
Look at this falacious little weasel, putting words in my mouth to cover for the fact that he has been incorrect all this time.
>theyre all quite clear it provides tremendous relief from gender dysphoria.
They are there to maret shit to you, obviously.
Most gender affirmative "care" pushing articles are statistical chicanery on small high loss to follow up cohorts.
One more large cohort study that shows no benefits. You will never see these referred to by the establishment as it shows reality. If they separated natal males they will show them much worse off as testosterone given to females is an anti depressant..
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34247956/
Here is another that shows in a no loss to follow up study hormones do not help mental health.
https://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/doi/10.1176/appi.ajp.2020.19111165?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori:rid:crossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub%20%200pubmed
Here is one more study that shows males fair much worse. Gee if you leach water from Astrocytes one should expect that no?
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/comment?id=10.1371/annotation/dcc6a58e-592a-49d4-9b65-ff65df2aa8f6
>And while there is a well funded backlash atm the current medical consensus remains in favor of trans care
You would be defending lobotomies in the past.
The puberty blockers used in troonyshit rose up from a value of a few million in the early 2000s to 1.04 BILLION dollars today. You can verify this
This is the opposite of not dwelling on shit that doesn't effect you.
This is unhealthy obsession
If any of us were healthy we wouldn't be on Cinemaphile.
>This is the opposite of not dwelling on shit that doesn't effect you.
Wut? Why should I not care about you groomers with cult-like behavior? There are more reasons for me to care than for you to care about my opinion.
>Groomers!
And there it is
The red scare became the lavender scare became the pastel scare
How does it feel to buy into recycled double vintage rhetoric?
redditor identified
>How does it feel to buy into recycled double vintage rhetoric?
Correct? I feel very vindicated.
Assuming both the femboy and trans woman are on hrt and got equal results from it, both are equally not gay for a man to frick. But trans women tend to go further than femboys.
They are both men, so its gay.
Men dont have female sexual characteristics
>Men dont have female sexual characteristics
They have if they are eunuchs taking wrong sex hormones. These are called deformities.
No such thing as wrong sex hormones. You need estrogen and testosterone. We all do. And no, we dont call sexual characteristics deformities.
Thats not what dhejne's conclusion seems to say, what am i missing?
>Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity than the general population
Seems shes talking about the gen pop
>No such thing as wrong sex hormones
Anon, taking huge doses of estrogen is literally going to cause you brain damage when you are a man. Your body most often than not produces the correct amount, using troonshine to try to change your hormones leads to all kinds of shit.
They are talking about gen pop, and anon has been told that repeatedly
His fee fee's are more important to him than facts and reality
>Character for GOD on the shirt
wow guys`
> When my cat wears a trans badge
she cute
I just like the goth girl Garfields.
>eventually, he ate so much his whole body became trans fats
>"I'm sorry john"
>Chomp the rich
it's splut week alright.
Why are trans characters and femboys the only girly characters who are allowed to be skinny and slender anymore? If this is a long term plot to convert me, it's working.
Oh no the man who lusts after cartoons and not real woman is going gay! Think of the population it’s so sad.
I hadn't thought about it but you're not wrong.
About characters that aren't fat I mean. As a plot I don't have any clue but it is interesting that if you're not attracted to fat feminine types you're either stuck with penis of some kind being involved.
Why that is the case I can only guess but there definitely seems to be some level of truth to it.
There's no truth to it, it just plays into the biases this garbage site is training into you
What kind of biases do you mean?
>site is training me to hate gays and trannies
Wow, I should spend even more time here. It’s doing a better job of convincing me of its biases than actively seeking out leftist information and education did for years did!
>did for years did
You probably should have finished your education.
>Transgender Garfield
>Jumps out the window this his dead
B-based?
Honestly, high-grade girlfriend material. The skirt and leggings is a nice touch. And trans-haters can lick my fricking prostate. She's cute and I want to feed her lasagna. I know how to cook, I could make a mean-ass lasagna.
are you a troony anon
No, but I sure love 'em. I like everybody as long as they're nice people. Anyone who gets their rocks off insulting people and dehumanizing them can clean my butthole with their tongue.
You seem to enjoy rimming a great deal.
That said if you don't like people who act like that then Cinemaphile is probably not a great idea.
i've been here since 2007, butthole, and yeah I'm a slaaneshi bisexual degenerate who likes to use forced rimming as a way to denigrate people I find repulsive, because they are too intellectually and ideologically weak to stand up to it. I will anally vore you.
I unironically hope you gets AIDs and die a miserable lonely death, you degenerate piece of shit
schlorp, you just slid a little further in and I just dribbled a little precum down onto your shirt from the pressure on my prostate. Squirm more. It gets me off.
Hey now, all respect to papa nurgle. I'm over here as a staunch nerglite ally, even if I'm in camp slaanesh all the way myself.
The gay is also a childbrained moron, amazing, who could have imagined? Are you the same idiot who goes around talking about how you frick a goth girl and get railed by chads on this board, or are there more of you than I thought?
I have no idea what you're referencing, so it kind of seems like you're admitting to being outnumbered. Schlorp. Ooh, that one got me a little more. I think your belt buckle just tugged on my rim a little. That was hot. Maybe try kicking a little.
>Multiple random anons live rent free in this guy's head for having sex
lmao
It's time to stop posting
>AIDs
You hope he gets assistants?
Are you the guy with no education?
in addition, note my comment of 'they're too intellectually and ideologically weak to stand up to it' resulted in you going red in the face and shooting shit into your diaper, proving me completely correct in my assessment. Schlorp.
>person on the internet admits to being a degenerate sex addicted weirdo
>someone else reacts with disgust
>”OMG LUL YOU’RE SO MAD BRO WHY ARE YOU SO MAD?? STINKY DIAPER FECES!! LICK MY POOPYHOLE!!”
Why are homosexuals like this?
>Slaaneshi
Pathetic
You said you like everybody as long as they are nice people. Cinemaphile is full of people who aren't. I'd also point out that you aren't either.
You can't tolerate intolerance. I'm only rude to monsters. Schlorping them up in my cavernous rectum to be sexually digested because they have no response to it. The only way out would be for them to enact actual real-world violence on people they don't like to kick things up into the real world from off the internet, and those scumbags are too weak and castrated to ever act on their beliefs.
>I'm only rude to monsters.
Have I done anything that you would describe as monstrous, anon?
Sorry that should be, "Have I said anything that you would describe as monstrous?"
Oh sorry forgot to add:
>Anyone who gets their rocks off insulting people and dehumanizing them can clean my butthole with their tongue
I'm very much not in that camp, but you have explicitly stated that you are.
You do not want to be a slaaneshi cultist, just saying.
I've met very few people who were wh40k fans who weren't excessively or needlessly abrasive and generally not nice people.
This anon has not changed that experience.
Fantasy is the better Warhammer Fantasy anyways, where my Sigmarite bro’s at?
Setting*
The fantasy setting does seem to have people who are more chill. But my experience is limited so do take that with some salt.
I like Warhammer lore a little but most of the people actually playing the tabletop wargame are, let's say, socially challenged.
>Using Slaneesh as an unironic point of pride
Lmao, the implications of that alone are too hilarious to even list.
I'd say the snapping at people thing says more but go on.
Feel like i've crossed paths with you on the site's IRC before.
Why do trans characters literally wear badges like they are going to Auschwitz?
Is it just because the artist made a woman design and wants to make it special?
That's enough dunking on /misc/ gays
Post more girlfield
how is that garfield in any way
Orange and black mostly
i think im trans..
You all will never be women. Just keep that in mind as your time on this planet slowly peters away into the void. Remember that you will never have a womb, you will never grow beautiful natural breasts, you will never have the skeletal structure and build of a female. You will die a male in denial, and will have ruined your life, your only life, by chasing a fetishistic fantasy, spurred on by those who only want to make a profit off your delusion or who use you as a means to accentuate their own lustful desires. I hope you’re happy, I really do, because the world at large looks at you and feels only pity and disgust.
>Galedia
>you really like hanging out with your stoner/mellowed out bros
>what if you could frick said bro and it wasn't gay?
Now you know the appeal
io think it would be hot to be a stoner bro girl
What would you classify as "mellow," anon?
In this context, generally being easy going, not interested in drama/conflicts/gossip, is both comfortable and prefers to just hang out and not do much, doesn't always want to engage with others, but isn't hard opposed to hanging out/being around, etc.
Would you call someone who casually lobs insults frequently at the people they do hang out with as mellow?
reminds me of troony bubsy
This is my wife himouto umaru
Congrats on the successful bait thread
lmao, this is a Carl thread.
Carl thread...?
Carl is a psycho troony that comes to Cinemaphile.
He gets in immense lenghty arguments with anons, rambles about his butthole, then when he has meltdowns and pst pics of himself naked.
>rambles about his butthole
What
Meds
He really needs them, considering that several times he did it on Cinemaphile.
I can't take tranned male ideolgy seriously if they can't even define what is a woman.
You have to accept that they hold several distinctly contradictory beliefs (I am a female as I identify as one), (I need a bazillion surgeries because my body is not female), (Male puberty is irreversible so transition has to start early/before it; also I can change my body after puberty) and (I am not mentally ill, despite the fundamental idea of transition being a treatment for the mental illness gender identity disorder; this also being the reason any protections exist for it and insurance is forced to cover it)
>seriously if they can't even define what is a woman
Woman, as in sex: an adult human with a combination of primary and secondary sexual characteristics including but not limited to a womb, wide hips, vellus body hairs and enlarged breast tissue
Woman, as in gender: an adult who is socially recognized as participating in the social role of women (as in sex)
Not a hard question tbh.
>Woman, as in gender: an adult who is socially recognized as participating in the social role of women (as in sex)
So if I say that you are not a woman, you aren't, because I don't recognize you as one? If you can't pass, you are not a woman?
By the way this is circular reasoning. This trans mindset whole worldview just built on justifying lying to yourself or preventing you from thinking too hard about something and have a unique insight lol
>By the way this is circular reasoning
How so? Your image isnt what i said so, by what metric?
>So if I say that you are not a woman, you aren't, because I don't recognize you as one?
No because
1. You are not the only member of society
2. Self identification is also a factor
At best we could say that on a deserted island youd have the ability to severly limit and control another person's gender presentation.
>If you can't pass, you are not a woman?
I dont think so, no. If youre recognized as one that puts you in that social position. Passing just helps.
>You are not the only member of society
NTA but I don't recognize you as a woman either
>Self identification is also a factor
make it the only factor and stop pushing people to play into your delusion
>NTA but I don't recognize you as a woman either
You are not rhe only 2 members of society lol
>make it the only factor
While arguably the biggest factor since it predicates gender expression by the subject which precedes gender recognition by observers, it is not the omly factor.
Eh debatable tbh ive seen it go both ways. Passing helps a lot though no argument there.
If you don’t pass you will not be put into the social role or expectations of the opposite sex. You just won’t. A male who wears female clothing and says his pronouns are she/her will still be looked upon as a male by society, regardless of how they are politically obligated to state otherwise.
>How so?
How is it not? "What is a woman" "its someone recognized as a woman".
>1. You are not the only member of society
So if trannies are in societies that reject troony ideology, they aren't really the gender that they claim to be? How % of society must buy into the troony ideoogy for them to magically transform into the opposite gender?
>2. Self identification is also a factor
So a troony is another gender, just because it decided it?
There is nothing scientific about the current ideology of "gender", in fact saying that a person is whatever the gender they declare is no different than you saying that you can be black or a dog just by declaring it. Both race and specie have pretty solid bases as social constructs just like "gender" - the only reason that your pedo funded ideology has any weight is because you silence and scream that any argument against it is the same as violence. If one stop to think about it for just some seconds the entire thing falls down.
>I dont think so, no.
So you are contradicting yourself if you are not socially recognized as a woman, but as another thing.
>What is a woman" "its someone recognized as a woman".
Didnt say that. I said
which clearly outlines woman as a biological category then recognizes that biology as the origin of a social role
So what if the troony in question still looks and sounds and acts like a dude in shitty female cosplay? He isn’t successfully filling the female social role. So he’s not a woman!
>He isn’t successfully filling the female social role. So he’s not a woman!
Thats up for social consensus to dictate.
No, i defined a biological category then defined a social role derived from it. You just want that to be circular so you keep pretending its some esoteric point.
>Anon, this might surprise you but race is a social construct like "gender",
True that.
>and its the same for "specie" in several human groups
Thats absurd.
>if they are born trans, then gender is not a social construct, but something innate
Born dysphoric you mean? Yes that is innate, we've been telling you that there is a likely neurological origin. Which would be an obvious given for everyone who doesnt believe your body is a golem piloted by an intangible ghost and that ghost houses all relevant information.
I dunno, anon. I’ve seen butch women and feminine men reject all social norms of their born sex and still be seen as such— you may at first confuse them, for example seeing a femboy and thinking they’re female, or a b***h woman as a male, but as soon as biological sex is confirmed those assumptions disappear. This is why most men find the idea of traps gross— they see a woman, only to be told “nope, there’s a dick under there!”
>Thats up for social consensus to dictate.
How much % of the social consensus must agree for it to be "true"? Does the same works for race? If lots of people think that you are X race, does that make you that race?
>No, i defined a biological category then defined a social role derived from it.
Remains circular. All you said was that whoever is larping as somethign and is recognized as something is that thing - which is stupid. Fooling somebody by wearing a cop uniform doesn't make you a cop even if you are treated like one.
Your definition also leaves dozens of holes on your view that make it really easy to simply declare that a male who tranned is not really a woman.
>Thats absurd.
Now you know how it feels when a lunatic decided that "gender" should be a social category separated from biology. It's arbitrary and the same can be done with any category like specie or race.
>Born dysphoric you mean? Yes that is innate, we've been telling you that there is a likely neurological origin.
How can you be born with an innate need to participate on very specifi stereotyped social constructs?
A condition that relies on the social construct of gender stereotypes to exist is no condition at all other than man made bullshit. It is like brainwashing people about breathing air being abnormal and then medicalise them because they feel abnormal for breathing.
>Thats up for social consensus to dictate.
If most people in a country think that you are not a woman, are you not a woman? If most people in a city think that you are not a woman, are you not a woman? If most people in a site think that you are not a woman, are you not a woman? If most people in a room think that you are not a woman, are you not a woman? If you move from a place that enable your cult-like ideology, do you magically stop being a woman because the people around you decided so?
Well given that they believe that the government refusing to indulge in their delusion by confirming any Joe blow off the street who says he’s a woman is, in fact, a real and true woman is “literal genocide” and “literally erasing trans identities”, social acceptance seems to be the only metric they are able to measure they validity by. If a man says he is a woman, and no one believes him, is he a woman at all?
>I said
Woman, as in sex: an adult human with a combination of primary and secondary sexual characteristics including but not limited to a womb, wide hips, vellus body hairs and enlarged breast tissue
Woman, as in gender: an adult who is socially recognized as participating in the social role of women (as in sex)
Not a hard question tbh. which clearly outlines woman as a biological category then recognizes that biology as the origin of a social role
Anon, all you did was say "its someone recognized as the biological category of a woman". Your argument is circular.
>There is nothing scientific about the current ideology of "gender", in fact saying that a person is whatever the gender they declare is no different than you saying that you can be black or a dog just by declaring it
I think theres actually a lot of differences between being black, a woman and a dog. Controversial take i know.
>I think theres actually a lot of differences between being black, a woman and a dog.
Anon, this might surprise you but race is a social construct like "gender", and its the same for "specie" in several human groups. Its even funnier if you consider that what anon is defending here is basically that
if you roleplay as a thing and the people around you agree, then you are that thing.
Besides, if they are born trans, then gender is not a social construct, but something innate. The idea that you can separate stereotypes from biology, then say that following the stereotypes is enough to be that biological entity is pure non sense - and could be used for things like Race and Specie.
There are even examples of it being used for specie in many remote tribes.
The definition that a bot like gives is circular.
"a woman is someone that resembles a woman".
"What is a door"
"It's something door shaped"
This is circular reasoning. Circular reasoning is irrational.
>The definition that a bot like gives is circular.
>"a woman is someone that resembles a woman".
But thats not my definition 🙂
I know youve got a canned response but remember to tailor it to what i said thanks
>But thats not my definition
It literally is.
>LOOK I did a circular loop between sex and gender, I solved it!
This definition regarding gender does not provide any independent criteria for identifying who should be socially recognized as a woman.
The initial definition of "woman" in terms of sex also includes specific physical characteristics such as a womb, wide hips, vellus body hairs and etc, but if what you said is true "not all individuals who are socially recognized as women necessarily possess all these physical characteristics". Therefore, when the definition of gender refers back to the definition of sex, it creates a circular loop where the social recognition of being a woman is contingent upon possessing certain physical characteristics, which are then determined by the social recognition of being a woman.
In short: The definition in terms of sex lists specific physical characteristics, but these characteristics are not universally present in all individuals who identify as women. Additionally, the definition of gender refers back to the definition of sex, creating a circular loop where social recognition is contingent on possessing certain physical characteristics, which are determined by social recognition.
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