Whats with the growing narrative of "Miles is the PEOPLES spiderman" implying Peter doesnt care about his city or people as much as miles? Why does it have to be this way where Peter, while still competent, is treated more like a joke character buffoon / Loser? Why cant we just have two cool Spider dudes
Because Miles exists solely to tear Peter down and leech from him and has ever since Bendis first got the cursed idea into his head
Tearing Peter Parker down to prop up a black character is so moronic because Spider-Man was so many people's favorite white character.
of course he is, thats why they chose him specifically to replace. your favorite superhero is black! dont you love black people more because of it
correct
you can very easily do the idea of "another guy takes up the Spider-Man mantle" as has been proven multiple times before, just do it actually competently
Maybe they should make Miles' new hero name: The Parasyte or The Leech.
Frick it, that's what I'm calling him from now on, Parasyte-Man.
>Miles' hand is hijacked by a symbiote
LMAO stop fricking seething already lol
Dont get me wrong, I still fricking love Miles character and his portrayals in the movies / game
I just dont get this discussion around Miles where hes treated like the Peoples spiderman, while Peter is just some washed up loser
I like PS4 more where they are both just chill bros who crime fight together, I think that dynamic is better
Its the one thing I dont really like about the Spiderverse films in how every version of Peter is... a loser dick? Like Peter B is competent, but also a washed up loser in the first film and a well meaning hypocritical traitor in the second
and the spider society fricking sucks
>I like PS4 more where they are both just chill bros who crime fight together, I think that dynamic is better
but what's the point of having two? When everyone is Spiderman, no one is.
Because two spidermen with somewhat different playstyles and personalities is cool?
And I like Peter and Miles being friends? Its fun
>Because two spidermen with somewhat different playstyles and personalities is cool?
what different playstyles? What different personalities?
>what different playstyles?
Are you dumb? One is doing fricking Chaos Blasts and Electric Wind God Fists and (in 2) the other is slinging evil slime all over the place
Peter’s more focused on his strength, webs, and gadgets. He’s stronger, gets more of an emphasis of webbing enemies to the walls and ceilings, and has more gadgets that can help him disable enemies or even defeat them instantly. Miles on the other hand is weaker, so he relies on his venom powers, invisibility, and stealth. Miles maxes out around Level 20 as opposed to 50 for Peter, so taking on enemies with just melee is ill advised due to his lower damage and lower hp. His venom powers even the score by doing a good amount of damage, and doubling the damage you do to a stunned enemy. His invisibility can help you get some breathing room if you’re in a jam by either using it to go back to stealth, or get some hits in while enemies are unaware. He also has has less gadgets than Peter, and his web shooters have less shots in them too, so using them in conjunction with the venom powers and invisibility is very important.
two cakes gives you diabetes
What if the other cake has shit baked into it and the cook tries to pass it off as revolutionary and modern?
Watch out, one of the chefs poisoned the other chef's cake in order to make his cake seem better.
Because the dorky dweeb powerfantasy peter of old appealed to the "everyman comic reader" of yesterday, while miles appeals more to the youth of today.
>miles appeals more to the youth of today
No he doesn't, Peter is still who kids think of when they hear Spider-Man.
The MCU Spider-Man films did far better than spiderverse, the insomniac Spider-Man about Peter did around 5 times better than the one about Miles, even Fortnite children had Peter as Spider-Man first. Miles' popularity is all smoke and mirrors
>Miles' popularity is all smoke and mirrors
The popularity of spiderverse says otherwise.
>It's just that one media
Ok? And for this one )most popular) media, he strikes a chord with a lot of people. Clearly the aggressiveness capitalization on his sudden fame isn't really working out, but movie wise, he's still popular.
Neither Spider-Verse movie has outgrossed any of the Peter Parker films.
And this doesn't make it popular.... because?
You're putting forward the idea that Miles appeals to more people than Peter does because he's "modern" representation. If that were true, then his movies would be more successful than Peter's ever were. But this is not the case.
Im putting forward the idea that the "original" peter everyone in this thread's clinging onto doesn't appeal anymore. Even the other (MCU/Sony) versions are the same "modern" peter miles is, just with a different ethnicity, which, lets be honest, is the only issue you have.
The issue is that Miles is a redundant character that exists only because of his skin color, that no one would defend and everyone would hate if his skin was white
>the "original" peter everyone in this thread's clinging onto doesn't appeal anymore
let's be honest, you're kind of a lying homosexual
And there it is, the person defending Miles defaults straight back to 'muh racists', like clockwork
>issues with the character always come back to "why is he/does he have to be black?"
>is shocked when people point that out
the truest clockwork
>Ignores every other reason given since Bendis shat Miles out onto a page as to why he's a bad and unnecessary character and hyperfixates on his skin colour
Bit racist of you to make everything about his ethnicity isn't it?
it's the only thing they have to deflect criticism of poochie. which was why Bendis made him black in the first place.
Okay but those "modern" Peters are still Peter and Miles is still a copy of that template in a general sense. Tom Holland having an Asian friend like Miles does, doesn't cancel out all of the traditional Peter Parker characterization.
Traditional peter isn't the "power fantasy" spiderman outside of the costume, modern peter is.
>modern Peter
>getting smeared so Miles can look better
>power fantasy
lmao at (you)
>Original peter was a loser outside of the costume
>Once he donned it, he became a confident, quipping smartass
>Modern peter is a smart, confident, quipping smartass outside of the costume
>Once he dons it, he stays the same
>Speed reads this clear explanation to continue screeching about miles
You deserve the modern state of capeshit
>Modern peter is a smart, confident, quipping smartass outside of the costume
He's not like this in the movies or the comics coming out today. You might make an argument about Garfield's Peter Parker, but Maguire and Holland were absolutely not confident cool guys outside of the costume. Why are you such a lying b***h?
Maguire isn't modern, and Holland was only a dweeb in his first movie. No one gives a shit about comics anymore, im talking about movies. I'm not here to be a stand-in for all of your boogiemen, go shadowbox somewhere else.
I accept your concession, homosexual
Stay mad, things are never going back to your childhood, and your incoherent screechings are only fuel for the fires you claim to hate.
>fuel for the fires you claim to hate.
apparently not, since these spider-verse movies aren’t getting anywhere near NWH money lmao
No Way Home? They won’t even make Mario money.
Even Big Hero 6 money seems optimistic
Nobody likes blacks
fricking when was HollandPeter cool and confident anywhere in FFH and NWH? He spent the entire second movie awkwardly asking out a girl and trying to pass the hero responsibilities off to Mysterio. In NWH he get browbeaten by Dr. Strange. Fricking where is this cool, confident Peter in the MCU? Tell me.
Original Peter wasn’t a loser outside the costume. That’s the movies. He was just a guy who struggled with his financials and relationships like most working class dudes.
you fricking wot
>"The popularity of spiderverse says otherwise."
>least popular Spider-Man movie of all time
lol
>Least popular Spider-Man movies by every metric
>Miles gets less farworks than characters like Gwen, Peni, Peter B. and now Miguel
Keep coping Milesgay, he will never be well liked and will continue to attach himself to better characters to pretend otherwise
I have no dogs in this race, im just sick of morons like you poisoning what could be a genuine well by just screeching and dancing around how you just don't like blacks.
the well was poisoned to begin with because insecure writers can't stand audiences not liking Spider-Poochie so they tear down all the other spider-heroes to make him look good. He's BLACK Spider-Man, don't you see? He can't just be another Spider-Hero, he needs to be THE BEST. HE'S GONNA DO HIS OWN THANG.
You are a disingenuous homosexual who keeps crying racism even when mountains of reasons why Miles is not a good character other than his skin colour are brought up, surprising absolutely no one that your only line of defense is his race
How exactly is stating that spiderverse is less popular than every other Spider-Man movie and that Miles gets less fanworks than other characters in spiderverse is "poisoning" anything when they have absolutely nothing to do with his race and are just objective facts?
Everyone hates Black folk
Granted I live in Brooklyn but I see kids with Miles toys, backpacks, hoodies, etc. on a fairly regular basis. Weirdly though, the local drug store sells three action figures, classic Spider-Man, Falcon, and Nightwing.
Agreed.
If only Peter stayed married and was a father, like his character progression was leading him until the Mid-90s and OMD ruined him.
>the youth of today
No he doesn't. Peter is timeless. What about being a loser nerd and wanting to be a superhero isn't?
Miles is just some white guys black OC and awkward attempt at making an inner city black Spiderkin. He really wants him to be popular because it's about boosting his own ego and EDM score. Nothing will make Miles not bland and nobody actually even watches Spiderverse for him. I know I sure don't.
>EDM
Don't you mean ESG?
Yes, but their EDM score is also low.
Frickin moron. The person behind the mask appeals to no child. They only care about the mask. Miles has no mask. His Very face is the mask itself and this is why he's known as spider-man miles Morales and not Just spider-man.
Literally no one thinks of of miles as THE spider-man when you ask a random person who spider-man is he doesn't assume you're talking about miles unless you bring him up by name.
That's actually a fairly good point, the fact that they go out of their way to advertise him as Miles Morales as opposed to just Spider-Man says a lot
Yes. It's an advertisement tactic. if you're Trying to replace a new product you need not to alienate the old target audience. Just confuse your target audience.
If enough children start to see miles Morales as synonyms with THE VERY NAME spider-man. Then you can create the illusion of popularity.
They're not just promoting miles to replace Peter. They're promoting him to replace the Very character that is spider-man.
You mean the dorky dweebs of today?
> love Miles
Why?
Does ‘modern youth’ fantasise about stealing someone else’s name and living off someone else’s clout a lot?
Well he's black so yeah
Cringe picture
Peter B s intentionally written to be worse than Peter. The B stands for B List. That’s what the writers said.
Because one's a plucky teen trying to prove himself and the other's middle aged and long since established/kinda washed out and tired of it. But no, its a grand conspiracy to demoralize (you).
>trying to prove himself
Kinda hard when all the marvel universe blows smoke up his ass along with a bullshit electric power
Comic Peter is in his mid-20s
I think you’re just on Twitter too much. The movies themselves don’t push the idea that Miles is the superior Spider-Man or anything. He just happens to be the main character of this particular saga, but every Spider-Man is their own main character in their own right, which you can see with all the unique details of their universes and backstories.
>Whats with the growing narrative of "Miles is the PEOPLES spiderman" implying Peter doesnt care about his city or people as much as miles?
it's literally white soicucks who think that because Miles is black and listens to hip hop, despite the fact that he has a cop dad and comes from an upper middle class family and goes to an exclusive prep school
he's not even a blue collar street dude like Luke Cage: Hero for Hire or a community service worker like Falcon
Peter can’t even keep a marriage and have babies. And has to live and depend on his Aunt’s penchant plan.
Plus he can’t hold down a steady job.
He’s no longer the people’s spider-man.
Miles literally repeats everything Peter does, where are his marriage and baby long-term storylines? He's constantly caught up in some super fantasy multiverse bullshit which is decisively not relatable.
But... but... the new movies tells us he does his own thing!
>Poeple read comics.
>poeple give a shit about some random shitty storyline that isn't classic iconic Spidey
Alrighty then
Just posers, anon. No one goes back and reads the good stuff anymore, so the majority of modern audiences are starting to see Peter as the eternal manchild loser that Slott turned him into in the comics. His characterization in Spider-Verse has only made things worse.
Peter's in Manhattan.
despite being from queens. he really has forgotten where he came from.
Miles isn’t even in his home dimension don’t play that shit.
Let's be real, Peter hasn't been solely street level since Secret Wars. But Miles got dragged into Ultimate Civil War like six months into his career, so neither of them are really "the people's champion"
God, what a fricking nothing character.
Peter was fine when the target audience of the comics were white. But whites are a fading demographic and POCs are rising in both strength and purchasing power.
But the 3 white Spider-Men movie made 4x the money ATSV did, did a ton better internationally, and it even had the same demographic percentages domestically. Same with the game, Peter's sold 5-6 times more than Miles'.
>But the 3 white Spider-Men movie made 4x the money ATSV did
ATSV hasn't finished it's global run yet and it still only made less than 200 million compared to TASM2.
For an animated superhero film it still made a lot of money in comparison to its live action contemporaries, it's less about the fact miles sells less than peter and more about live action movies selling more than 3D animated ones on average.
(for example Mask of the Phantasm and Lego Batman selling less than live action batman films)
>Same with the game, Peter's sold 5-6 times more than Miles'.
Had more to do with Peter's game being longer and not being what is essentially an expansion pass you had to pay 50-60 bucks for.
Adjusted for inflation, ATSV needs to make another 425 million dollars to match TASM2, the widely hated "worst" Spider-Man movie ever
Refer to my earlier point about Animated movies not earning as much as Live action movies.
It's not a deliberate sign that miles is less or better received than peter (even though the former is probably true).
>50 live action movies that made over a billion
>10 animated movies that made over a billion
>but 10x more live action movies release in a year compared to animated ones
Animated movies actually make more on average than live action movies, and have greater potential when accounted for scale
>Animated movies actually make more on average than live action movies, and have greater potential when accounted for scale
You really shouldn't attempt being an economics major, that's not how that works. Animated movies just take longer to make.
>malding because he was btfo
You can make a full on flagship animated movie for as little as $5M like Your Name
They better make more on average, U can't make a little indie darling for half a million in animation. It gonna be 150 million minimum for a production budget.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_animated_films
>(for example Mask of the Phantasm and Lego Batman selling less than live action batman films)
Cope comparison.
Mask of the Phantasm got next to no marketing, and was little more than an extended TV episode, and Lego Batman is not just a Batman movie. It's a Lego movie, and that branding will naturally alienate a lot of Batman fans over the age of 9 years old.
The best comparisons are Amazing Spiderman 2 for a Spiderman movie that was considered a catastrophic series ending flop (709m) as this shows the absolute floor of a Peter Parker movie and Super Mario Bros (1.35 billion) as an example of the potential of a CG animated movie based on existing popular IP.
>and Lego Batman is not just a Batman movie. It's a Lego movie, and that branding will naturally alienate a lot of Batman fans over the age of 9 years old.
Apply this to all the people who view animation as just for kids
>and that branding will naturally alienate a lot of Batman fans over the age of 9 years old.
This was the same reason why a lot of general audiences and spiderman fans didn't even initially go to even see ITSV. Because an animated adaptation of Spiderman will naturally be given the the rhetoric that its "Just for 9 year olds" while the movie itself is more marketed for teens and young adults.
It's why a movie like Super Mario Bros can make bucket loads more because it's specifically designed to appeal to kids. Adults wont be as inclined to see an animated movie, but kids will. It's why animation aimed at kids are really the only ones to generate profit. (That and it's lack of competition).
>The best comparisons are Amazing Spiderman 2 for a Spiderman movie that was considered a catastrophic series ending flop (709m)
The budget for that movie was 200-300 million dollars.
ATSV's budget was 100.
ATSV made 5x its budget and its not even done with its global run. Even if it dosen't beat out TASM2 it's still far more of a monetary success.
Kids don't like Spider-Man but they like Incredibles and Big Hero 6, got it
>The budget for that movie was 200-300 million dollars.
>ATSV's budget was 100.
Lol he hasn't heard
Honestly it feels more like a Batman movie than a Lego movie to me.
TASM2 had a israeli Spider-Man the raimi and MCU Spider-Men are white and both outgrossed Black personman
>and not being what is essentially an expansion pass you had to pay 50-60 bucks for.
But Tears of the Kingdom cost $70 and sold like crazy
>POCs are rising in strength
Yeah maybe if they laid off the coca cola and fast food, fatasses.
Motherfricker I'm a "le POC" and Chad Peter Parker is still my favourite spider-man and what the frick does Peter have to do with white people?.
They're also trying to make him the 'real' Spiderman (he's not). I am seeing a trend
>Why cant we just have two cool Spider dudes
There can be only one.
Casuals
Simple as
Frick Twitter. Frick Miles. Frick Gwen. Frick Spider-Verse. Frick the multiverse. Frick zoomers. Frick (You). Once I get in the industry, I'll destroy Spider-Verse and everything it stands for with my own kino project, and make it's smug, moronic fans seethe with jealousy at how much better it will be. See you gays in a decade.
Sounds promising. Good luck, anon.
Imagine if the Miles Morales character was introduced in the exact same manner that he originally was, but instead of being a half-black half-latino kid, he was a white kid named Mike Morris.
In Ultimate Comics, the original Peter Parker is killed in battle, and shortly thereafter, we're introduced to Mike Morris, a teenager who is bitten by the exact same spider that Peter was, and gains the exact same powers as Peter, except he also has the extra special powers of invisibility and "Venom Strike" electricity. Mike gets a costume for himself that clearly looks like Spider-Man, and he calls himself the new Spider-Man. Not Spider-Boy, or The Arachnid, but "Spider-Man". Mike then meets Aunt May, Mary Jane, and Peter's other supporting cast, and Aunt May even gives Mike Peter's webshooters. In the years to come, Mike will be ported to the main 616 continuity, where he fights alongside Peter, and the two share the mantle of "Spider-Man". Mike fights many classic Spidey villains, takes a version of The Prowler from Peter to be his arch-nemesis, the writers constantly beat readers over the head with how important and valid Mike is as Spider-Man, and Mike is thereby shoved into every possible Spider-Man adaptation (comics, cartoons, video games, etc.), where Peter has to share the spotlight with Mike Morris, the new Spider-Man.
Mike has stolen Peter's title, powers, origin story, supporting cast, villains, arch-enemy, costume, and spotlight, and we're all constantly reminded how great of a character he is by the writers.
Doesn't this whole idea sound so laughably bad? It would go down as a mere footnote in Spider-Man mythology, and Mike Morris would barely be remembered by comic nerds as, "Hey, remember that one time the writers tried to replace Peter Parker with that new kid? That was dumb."
But no, because Miles is a black minority kid, anyone who points out how poorly conceived this whole thing is will just be accused of being "racist." We're stuck with him forever.
>but instead of being a half-black half-latino kid, he was a white kid named Mike Morris
He'd be Kyle Rayner, who has tons of fans
Kyle Rayner has fanGIRLS because he’s hot.
He also caught a ton of HEAT
difference being Green Lantern isn't just one guy, the entire point is that it's an intergalactic police force with multiple GLs operating at any given time so the title changing hands a lot is expected
And no, the multiverse shit is a copout
>Kyle was already like the FOURTH earth lantern. At this point people had accepted that it was more or less a team book
>difference being Green Lantern isn't just one guy
Kyle's introduction literally reduced it to just being one guy, the entire corps was ripped to shreds, and characters like Alan who weren't even THAT kind of Green Lantern were pushed to the sidelines so Kyle could be sold as the ONLY Green Lantern.
It’s almost like they never read the comics…
Kyle was already like the FOURTH earth lantern. At this point people had accepted that it was more or less a team book. You can have multiple Lanterns just like you can have a few Novas kicking around. Not every hero mantle works as a legacy or passable title.
I agree Kyle Rayner is a pretty fair comparison, though he always had a different ring from Hal. Is it canon that it's the same spider that bit Miles that bit Ultimate Peter? That thing got out of Oscorp and was just wandering around for how many years?
Different spiders in every continuity I can think of
Cinemaphile will blame Miles's existence, but the real problem is the people writing the comics. They're obsessed with keeping Peter as a manchild and refuse to get rid of OMD.
It's because he's a minority. Americans will feel like he's one of them but not Peter at this point.
I wondered why Japanese Spider-Man fans seem more open to the Spider-Verse concept than western ones, but then I remembered they have things like Kamen Rider
They aren't. Japan hates Black folk
I've seen plenty of Spider-Verse fanart, even one piece by the One Punch Man guy
Look up some vids of Japan talking about other races. Black people aren't even human to them lol
It must make you so mad, no one really likes black people, it's just the way it is. Black people don't even like black people, hence their self murder rate
>Look up some vids of Japan talking about other races. Black people aren't even human to them lol
If I went exclusively by videos of races talking about other races I'd think every race views the rest as subhuman
This is who im imagining is making this post rn
(You)
Do you have any specific examples of this "narrative"? At most he's regarded as "the" Spider-Man of a specific part of New York, while Peter generally patrols all of it more often.
%3D%3D
Because he's black and apparently we have to pretend that's the best thing ever. (I like Spiderverse Miles. Because of his fricking character and not his skin. I hate everything else related to Miles like how boring he is in his own game.)
is there a version of miles where peter doesn't die?
The American and Latin American fandoms like Miles/Spider-Verse for different reasons.
Because that'd require competent writers who can make Miles appealing without shitting on every other Spider-person around him.
They want Miles to replace Peter. Simple as.
who keeps making these bait threads it never ends almost peridot level shit
1. because he's a Black person and Black folk are automatically the bestest ever
2. because he has no real defining characteristics of note so just on account of being black he is automatically in tune with the plight of the oppressed and the common man and that is what they are forced to roll with
The only place I've head this is a single twitter post from like a week ago that got dunked on by most people.
Its because no one buys comics anymore and the executives are pushing to appeal to untapped, easily manipulatable consumerist markets (women and browns) <- people who buy things because they are a status symbol (shoes and clothes and shitty overpriced headphones)
They always do this look at Hawkeye. The comics have made Clint a Buffon to build up Kate.
blacks are the moral and cultural background of cities and it's important that they take pride in this so that they'll pay rent forever and die without passing on anything to their children
in comic books
Miles has nothing so he needs to steal from Peter and modern writers will just keep pushing Peter aside ripping parts off him to stick to Miles instead of being creative
>Whats with the growing narrative of "Miles is the PEOPLES spiderman"
There's no such narrative, Miles has his fan-base ( he sells about half of what a Peter based book does) but the argument is always whether you think we need extra Spider-Men or not.
You're just trolling looking to rile up Peter only fans for (you)'s
Funny you would make this thread OP because I've been thinking about this for a while myself and honestly? I think that it's less people don't think Peter doesn't care about his city in more in that in a way Peter has become mythologized as more of a figure of perseverance and goodwill by the public consciousness due to both fan perception of him, the way he's talked about by fans who teach friends or their kids about him, and some of the way he tends to be handled in various films. Overall I think to a lot of he's lost a bit of the 'man' aspect of being 'Spider-Man' to a lot of people because of just how because his suffering and struggles are no longer things for people to relate to and just part of his specific story like how Heracles will always go through the 12 trials so it's become less 'wow he's just like me' to wow...what an amazing heroic figure I'll never possibly be able to live up to. Superman has this problem too. Even when they're written as just regular guys outside of when they're hero-ing, after all these years people subconsciously post them up on a pedestal even when they make mistakes instead of actually seeing themselves in them. With Miles, specifically the ISTV and Insomniac versions, that are most people's first exposure to him is watching him frick up so much, making mistakes left and right, humiliating himself, trying to live up to expectations set before him, being a fan of Spider-Man and idolizing him himself, and they also get to go on that journey of trying to be a hero like Peter with Miles from the start instead of it just being something everyone just knows about with how common knowledge the mythos of Peter Parker has become. And ironically the most buffoon-like but still competent Peter we get with Peter B is someone you see a significant amount of of normies praising nonstop. Not sure how to phrase this since I'm tired but I hope I got at least the gist across well enough.
I think you're on to something. The whole point of ATSV being about canon events and all that it seems like as time goes on people are starting to view spiderman like an idea instead of a man
Do people even really like miles that much? I don't see the appeal.
white liberals have a complex over not being perceived as "street level" or cool and have crippling insecurities over missing out on hardship, but don't want to experience hardship themselves
They project these ideas onto urban minorities and begin to idolize and worship them
because Black folk that's it