What’s wrong with The Boys comic?
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Story, characters, tone, execution of themes.
Not reddit enough.
The characters, except for Homelander, are better in the comic.
>The characters, except for Homelander, are better in the comic.
Not really, most are strawmen that existed to be humiliated & killed.
All the main characters, barring Homelander, are better in the comic, The Boys and Stillwell especially.
The show is such a terrible, unfunny piece of capeshit, I don't know how people are still watching it.
The comic is poorly-edited mediocrity worsened by terrible art, and honestly, shouldn't be read by anyone.
Noir in the comics is severely inferior to the tv show
>The characters, except for Homelander, are better in the comic
That doesn't necessarily mean they are well written, especially if you dislike the show.
yeah but besides that how was it
That's really vague
The characters say no-no words, which means the writer had to think about them first, which means he is wrongthinking.
AltHistoryHub is actually a based Catholic
It's fricking bad
Really, that's it
This is going to age horribly one day
Didn’t he also make a video about why we shouldn’t pull out of Syria because we owe it to the Kurds to liberate them? And then he got such a bad reaction he deleted it?
Oh shit Really? did anyone save it?
I’m sure you can Google it and find a mirror.
No he didn't delete it you sperg
Pretty sure he's talking about a different video. It had the title of "We Can't Give Up on the Kurds" or something like that.
Pretty sure the vid is the same but different title when originally posted
What is breadtube?
Imagine if Cinemaphile was something you watched not read.
Basically the Leftie SJW Vaush/Keffals/Jose Youtube community that complain about how Anti-SJWs only complain about Social Justice.
Contrapoints and Hbomberguy, those types
Leftist Skeptic(tm) community, backed by some really shady organizations----some by the British government, others by the Left equivalent of TPUSA
Reddit
>Spreading NATO Globohomosexual propaganda to your 2 million subscribers
>Based
nato is based, frick russia
NATO shouldn't exist
>t. Putin
Actually an American
So, moronic then
Post Russia-controlled Kiev
Why? Please anon, explain why NATO is based.
NATO is a joke and shouldn't exist due to the insane spending and lack of support it provides the world. A commonwealth of nations that acts like children on the playground. They scream for the teacher whenever they don't receive their way but never take any actions to play by the rules that they established.
NATO should have been dissolved in the 70s to late 80s.
Nato is based because it cucks russia, and russia is cringe and onions
simple
I've read a lot of homosexual takes on Cinemaphile over the eons I've been here but god-fricking-damn this is in the top 5.
Off yourself.
this was the reaction i was expecting. did not disappoint.
you need to lay off the boob tube
Kill Black folk
Looking forward to the next two decades of cope
UNDER THE SEA
UNDER THE SEA
THERE ARE NOT UCRANIANS
JUST FRIENDLY CRUSTACEANS
UNDER THE SEA
WITH THE VDV
>Buying into Russian lies out of contrarianism
Lol
Lmao even
>actually falling for the most incompetent propaganda machine in the entire planet just so you can have an unpopular opinion
Lmao at your life, my man
Which one? Russia or NATO?
Russia obviously.
NATO has quite literally not done shit at all in 40 years, much less resort to media warfare aimed at morons who actually believe lizardmen are real
Not to imply Russia are angels, but Nothing? NATO really had nothing to do with revolution that got Russia so pissy in the first place? American statesmen weren't literally in the Ukraine egging on escalating the fight with the Russian Separatists? We aren't currently shitting out billions to the Ukraine for a losing war? The president hasn't been pissing on Americans for over half a year now and saying Putin is making it rain?
>losing war
Uh yeah, about that
Lol if you believe that propaganda.
You probably even believe in the casualty numbers reported by the West.
That's a Russoid forum, kek. Also, the American artillery sent just bombed like 12 vatBlack person ammo depots
>casualty numbers reported by the West.
As opposed to whom? The vatniks who claim they've destroyed the UA air force 12 times over?
>Believing Russian forums aren’t filled with NSA psyop agents to make Russians believe they’re losing the war.
>Believing the Ukrainian Air Force isn’t a skeleton crew at this point.
>Russian forums are actually run by NATO
Holy cope. Proof? You can view the original telegram post here and see if its run by burger glowies https://t.me/Sladkov_plus/5798
>Believing the air force isn't a skeleton crew
Dunno, they did just fine at the latest snake island incident to me
I'm not saying the Forums are run by NATO themselves. It's like how there are a bunch of glowies in /misc/
Again, proof?
>NATO dindu nuffing, Russia is ebul
How propagandized do you have to believe this?
His argument is that they invaded first and they were moronic enough to antagonize what was once a historical ally into having such a massive hate boner for Russia they WILLINGLY want to join the Globohomosexual Western sphere of influence out of spite
>Spreading NATO Globohomosexual propaganda to your 2 million subscribers
Vive la Ukraine!
>300% NATO propaganda
>Ree invasion bad
>Goes crazy over NATO invading other countries.
>economically left, socially right
Cucked viewpoint. He's basically a Blue Dog Democrat in reverse.
You sure? You might call him a socialist and a nationalist... if only there was a catchy ideology that smashed those two together, but I guess that's too crazy.
Holy frick, I have the same political views as AltHistoryHub. He's one of the few actually cool Youtubers to boot
So the most moronic possible combination of views. "Please bey surrogate parent, government uwu"
Why do these people think anyone cares about their opinions?
He has 2 million subscribers, so it seems people do care.
My brother in Christ this whole thread started out with people accusing him of being a lefty.
>economically left
>socially right
lmao sounds like actual, literal, non-hyperbole national socialism. in other words: another delusional, phony homosexual.
Economically left, socially right = Nazbol
Economically right, socially left = Neoliberalism
I always found right and left wing poltics stupid
Politics should more lime a compass.
North wing politics and South wing politics would help add some balance.
Don't care didn't ask plus he's a pedophile
>catholic
>economic left
>socially right
>twitter gay
Holy shit. This person has consistently chosen literally the worst possible options through his entire life
Why is it always Catholics?
>Catholic
Yikes.
Imagine believing this
>What’s wrong with The Boys comic?
It's written by Garth Ennis so it's gonna be trash.
>Ennis poster
ennis has written good stuff, and I like how unapologetically immature he is. honestly, we need more of it.
I mean despite being mostly mediocre the comic at least knows what it wants to say and doesn't have a bunch of SJW bullshit mucking up it's ideas. So this is a lie.
>Remember if you say Nazis are bad you are the problem!
Imagine actually living life like this
>if you have to point out the obvious, people get suspicious
Shocker I know.
Suspicious of what? That's the first time I heard this deflection.
>deflection
Nice choice of word.
you realise stormfront was still in the comic right
homie the comic had a much more anti Nazi message.
Like how stormfront died?
no it didn't it
>Nazi literally beaten to death while the boys shout about how free liberal peoples stomped his totalitarian homosexual nation and will do so against any totalitarian c**ts
Sounds better than
>Nazi say no no words so evil :<
Like the USSR?
Love Sausage is there in the comic
The comic Stormfront ending is genuinely funnier and more interesting than what the show did. As with a lot of the capes the show did actually make the character a character though.
I love the show but I agree that it was a total waste to not make him important, especially after the S2 cameo
The comic didn't try to preach about how looking at memes will make you a terrorist
Wait what?
There is more to life than SJW's, anon
Stormfront was named after the website and Ennis a huge Reddit atheist lib
>doesn't addapt the story
>adapts the story better
>Cody has always been a leftist homosexual
As someone who has been subbed to his israelitetube channel since nearly the beginning. His "what-ifs" videos are only good for background noise. Any serious history theories he attempts to shit out are laughable at best.
Cinemaphile constantly shat on the boys comicbut now that Twitter doesn't like it the contrarianism kicks in
I too think The Boys comic was trash.
Yet it was still kinda fun and enjoyable.
The show looks like typical sanitized and preachy Hollywood garbage.
I know. A tiny guy walks up a dick hole for a sex act, but Hollywood still sanitized it for their crowd.
Edgy for the sake of being edgy.
Basically any Garth Ennis work
This is something idiots say after they heard another idiot say it.
just because a description can be missused doesnt mean that something is always missused.
i thought you gays like shit like that though
So absolutely zero difference from this piece of shit show.
>boring one-dimensional butthole in the comics
>boring one-dimensional butthole in the show
Wow, what an improvement. morons jerking off this boring homosexual need to frick off.
>watch one pointlesshub video
>first 5 minutes is already mostly reddit jokes
>throw some "wow this was racist/homophobic" comments in for good measure
>same monotone voice that's plagued youtube since before leafy
I liked his video about Deadliest Warrior:
You forgot that it’s clear he’s just reading wiki articles. That’s what his video about the first Transformers movie felt like to me.
Is that Boyd Holbrook in that gif on the left in the foreground?
>same monotone voice
Thank you, I knew there was something bothering me about YT these days and this is it.
Nobody knows how to emote anymore, they all use the same damn voice
The most interesting parts are explored better in the show, in the comic they’re pushed aside to focus on Ennis’s power fantasy of shitting on superheroes.
>Ennis’s power fantasy of shitting on superheroes.
If you actually think that The Boys comic was a power fantasy, you unironically got pleb filtered. Go back to High School English class.
It was the definition of a power fantasy. It was an entire setting where Ennis gets to point and laugh at superheroes. At one point there’s a two page spread of the American military blowing apart superheroes into wet chunks of gore. One comic has a cover that was literally just superheroes flying into a giant toilet
Anon... NATO was mentioned in this thread, it is obvious that this is bait.
How did you miss all the issues Ennis dedicated to criticizing the military (both American and English)? The fact that there's one scene where the military is competent doesn't make it a power fantasy.
The power fantasy is for Miller dingbat. The fantasy was writing a world in which his view on super heroes was correct, and he could go around shitting on them.
The efficacy of the military has nothing to do with that fantasy. He just uses them as a tool at times.
>Miller
Ah yes, Miller. The infamous writer of The Boys. Have you actually read the comics, or did you just see some blue checkmark's review of the series?
Name literally one time the Gary Sue self insert was in any danger at all. Name one time anything approached a balanced fight scene and not just the Gary Sue gang murdering all the heroes . It's literally just an Ennis power fantasy because all the Gary Sues are fricking invincible and all powerful and everyone else is a joke. And of course even Gary Sue Butcher himself has the fricking inevitable Ennis mummy issues pining about the bestest women ever.
Childishly edgy and "Adult". It's not even satire, it's just Garth being the most shock value shlock writer ever like with Crossed
Cinemaphile is not the twitter comment section.
This dude has like 2 million subscribers on YouTube.
and we should care about israelitetube why?
clearly you haven’t browsed this website in the past decade
You're right, it's screenshots of the Twitter comment section.
Too much of a hate fic, Superheroes existed just to be slaughtered without remorse.
Yeah. Ennis likes to use his comics as a sounding board and he took it a bit far.
Nothing. Normies just don't get satire.
>HEEEEEEEEEEEENH
Based and CLICKCLICKCLICKpilled
Butthurt Americ**ts not understanding British satire especially (ironically as they all claim to be from one or the other) from Irish and Scottish left-wing writers.
Americ**ts are literally too dumb to get satire when changed to satirise themselves and their Holy Emperor Trump kek even as seen by all the Amerifat conservatards butthurt about the show.
>"People I don't like are moronic rapists!!!
>Satire
You can do satire poorly, moron
Garth Ennis is an edgy hack and Antony Starr didn't carry it like he is the TV show.
It’s too gay
Rare pic where the characters don't look like they ate out an unwashed c**t.
McCrea looked like total ass in the Boys which is weird because I usually like his stuff.
Same
I like his art generally
Surprised they didn't do this on the show
The show's Soldier Boy is a completely different character. His role in the show is to be a potential way to kill Homelander. That plot doesn't allow for this scene to exist.
soldier boy is homelander's dad in the show so that would be...interesting
The comics makes fun of and shits on superheroes.
The show worships them and is just edgy capeshit.
There's a hint of cringe power fantasy in the original boys but I think to call that the entire point, all of the meat there is is a bit disingenuous. Butcher is the COOL BADASS SUPERHERO KILLER but he's never your point of view, that's Hughie, who you're always worried about being corrupted by Butcher because he's one of like two halfway decent-seeming people in the setting.
While I can see the point of view that it's just too consistently vile to enjoy, I don't know if I agree with the move of making the superhero characters multifaceted. I don't like the fact that Homelander is a genuinely popular and iconic character now, moreso than the main characters, and not someone genuinely too slimy to enjoy.
It's been awhile since I read the comic, and I don't think it's incredible, or anything, but part of the point is that the influential and powerful aren't especially complicated. They're just greedy, covetous c**ts.
>I don't like the fact that Homelander is a genuinely popular and iconic character now, moreso than the main characters
genuinely is because of the actor, he really can act and that in turn makes you like Homelander regardless of how much a piece of shit he is
I like the comics, in that I could imagine real-life superheroes acting like modern celebrities - aka getting away with heinous acts, being depraved douches, and having their agency/managers try to sweep a bunch of bullshit under the rug.
However, its real apparent the Ennis is a fricking chickenhawk and has a hard-on for the military/police forces. He almost never depicts them to be as shitty as Vought, The Boys, or any supes.
The entire comic is a not-even-thinly-veiled indictment of post-9/11 American culture, politics, and the military-industrial complex as a whole you drooling moron
No fricking shit, you stupid fricking homosexual.
From the Bush caricature that is Vic the Veep, to "The Homelander" being a reference to homeland security.
My point was the majority of the time, police/mil are shown in-comic shaking their fists that some supe fricked up and made a situation worse. But even the criticism of all that shit is behind a veneer of superhero culture. Usually corruption is a mulit-layer issue.
There’s literally a joke about Bush Jr being too moronic to be President.
Wow it's almost like he was pointing out that the vast majority of regular people in those professions are just normal fricking people who are constantly fricked over by the elites who use them for their own benefit.
And he's wrong, and a cuck for saying that. The average cop is a bully who is incentivized by the system to scare and hurt people
Holy shit you're so close to the point it could frick you in the ass
>However, its real apparent the Ennis is a fricking chickenhawk and has a hard-on for the military/police forces. He almost never depicts them to be as shitty as Vought, The Boys, or any supes.
I fricking Ennis because of this.
>I fricking Ennis because of this.
Dude, that's gay.
>However, its real apparent the Ennis is a fricking chickenhawk and has a hard-on for the military/police forces. He almost never depicts them to be as shitty as Vought, The Boys, or any supes.
Because cops/military just take their orders from other people. If you want to look at Ennis being critical of cops, look at Red Team which is all about bunch of cops deciding to become vigilante killers to get baddies who deserve it and how it all goes to shit, and how then it's all covered up when the two last survivers don't die in the inevitable bloody shoot up and iirc just get assigned to shit duty by the department hoping they'll quit.
>IT WAS ME HOMELANDER, I MADE YOU A VILLAIN!
>Homelander isn't into femdom
>Butcher isnt a cuck
>"Black" noir isn't black
>The muscular blonde nazi isnt actually a flabby israeli woman
>Racist characters say the n word
>The cute japanese girl doesn't have a israeli boyfriend
>The racist characters didnt get dragged through concrete at high speed by a black man
>The expies for the x-men (who represent lgbtq folks) were shown as a gay pedophilic rapist cult
Basically, it's for chuds
Is there any other insult as pathetic as Chud?
It feels like the type of lame insult a kid would come up with because he can't use swear words in front of his mother.
sounds like something a chud would say. Shocker.
owo what's this?
>missed the point of the original post because of one word
Damn, and they say 'chud' doesn't work.
whoops, i dropped this one as well
>Mock him for missing the point hard.
>Now he tries to save face by calling me a troony.
Lmao
Actual, genuine mental moronation.
>picrel
Cuckolding was a word long before them, I've never heard "basedboy" and it sounds stupid, and the only people who use simp now are using is as a self descriptor for how much they love someone
Ok chud
I think the show is a bit too shallow and unfocused imo. It's definitely a more digestible and accessible package than the comics. But I'd argue the comics are paced better
Dear Becky was atrocious
It doesn't pull its punches like the show.
The Boys hasn’t aged well because of its edginess, it’s because of how Anti-George Bush it is makes feel like a time capsule from a very particular era (Late 2000’s).
Also, Ennis is basically a New Atheist, look how well that went.
Agreed. Garth is basically pic related with a police/military fetish. He's an insufferable edgelord
TJ has gone woke-ish and tuned down his edgeness a ton in the last two years.
Remember when there was dozen of clickbait articles about him complaining about Lara Croft in the new Tomb Raider not having big enough boobs?
That was one of the least edgiest things he said. The dude straight up told someone that a medal should be given to their rapist.
I wouldn't know. I just remember him from the insufferable anti-theist shitstorm of the mid-to-late 2000s. That version of himself is who I was associating Garth with
You think this is bad for garthie? look at a walk through hell
I think this is why the plotline with Starlight losing her faith felt kind of out of place in the show. The kind of Christian subculture the show criticizes hasn't really been relevant in the mainstream for like fifteen years, while everything else the show touches on is fairly current and topical. That whole subplot was straight out of the mid-2000s.
That's a big failing of both the show and comic. Mid 2000s Evangelocon movements were an anomaly, and the most ardent members of that demographic have been dying off for years, or falling out of favor with the public eye. You can still write stories about characters that struggle with faith, but it can't be shackled to such dated sentiments
>The kind of Christian subculture the show criticizes hasn't really been relevant in the mainstream for like fifteen years
But that religious thinking is currently controlling the highest court in the land.
Oh you are taking the piss.
Roe v. Wade just got overturned.
Yes, and?
That’s proof that Christian conservatives control the highest court of the land.
So there is absolutely no secular arguments for being pro life?
The conservative scotus doesn't give a shit about arguments. They make completely illogical rulings based on ideology and religious views.
...? no? The argument for anti roe is pretty reasonable, and almost every lawyer on earth has made it.
Kavanaugh, Gorsuch and ACB all said Roe was settled law. Then they immediately turned around and reversed when they got thr chance because they just wanted it reversed. And it also conveniently opened the door to overturn other precedents that were based on the same right to privacy principle, i.e. contraceptives, gay marriage, blowjobs and anal sex, same sex marriage, etc. all coincidentally things conservatives want to get rid off. Hell, Thomas blatantly said in his writing that they were now going to go after them, signalling the base to start to look for cases they could send to SCOTUS to use as an excuse to overturn those precedents.
they said it was settled law/the law of the land.
The law can change. that's literally the role of the supreme court dipshit.
Note how they never said "we won't change the precedent".
Lawyers, if you can believe it, know what they say a lot of the time and why they say it.
It doesn't change anything about the fact they overturned Roe simply for their ideological views. Note how only Roberts wanted to lower the time frame for abortions where as everyone else went full in on reversing Roe. It's pure right wing ideology dictates cases now, and it's clear from their rulings, like how they immediately started gutting multiple amendment rights now that they have a clear supermajority that Roberts can't block by pretending to be moderate for hid legacy.
>right to privacy
Should've actually kept it private instead of forcing it down society's throat. You only got what was coming. Cry about it
Don’t forget interracial marriage.
it's uh, not the best.
I fricking hate deconstructions of the superhero genre they are done right one or twice but the rest is pretentious garbage. As for the boys it takes the usual issues with this genre and cranks it up to eleven by making the heros cartoonishly evil because something something absolute power corrupts absolutely so you can't take it seriously. The only scene I like is the one where that business man calls Homelander out for being a basic handlebar mustache twiddling homosexual
Look I know Cinemaphiletrarianism is a thing around here but we're seriously not defending/hyping up The Boys comic just because the show is popular amongst casuals. are we? They're both bad
I'd even argue Watchmen wasn't all that great. So people can point out superhero shit gets stupid and can't work in reality, big deal. That's like saying water is wet
I like both, I'm not for getting worked up over fictional work.
>They're both bad
Yes.
>So people can point out superhero shit gets stupid and can't work in reality
Watchmen is god-tier. That's a small portion of what it's about.
>Watchmen is god-tier
I feel like you're now conditioned to say that. It's not a bad comic, but it's not the holy grail people worship it to be
Explain your position.
>now
No, it's cool to shit on it now.
I've read it multiple times and it gets better every time.
Which again it's not a bad comic
why is the crude edgy humor of the comic bad but the crude edgy humor of the show good?
Because secondaries have to distance themselves from source material, like true fans.
They're both shit. How about we stop drawing lines in the sand in an effort to feel superior to casuals? I don't care if they like the show, I'm not going to sit here and pretend The Boys was ever good in book for either
the crude edgy comic says the el Black personino word 9 times.
Ignore the fact that everyone who says it is also a reprehensible human being and gets their just desserts for being shitty people.
I cringe more at the show, honestly.
It's so jarring how many people get filtered by Ennis
>Filtered
How? What worth is there with The Boys, be it the book or show?
>It's satire!
A shitty one with childlike execution with nothing interesting to say.
live action stuff should have been forbidden from Cinemaphile in 2008
kneel homosexuals
I liked the new live action show, It endedn on s2 right?
afraid so.
Was it too early? Was it just not cynical enough?
I found it to be much more charming and enjoyable than The Boys or Invincible despite never reading The Tick comic. But it really didn't seem to cause a stir.
There was a change in management in Amazon TV and the new management wanted to jettison the stuff the old management had some kind of involvement in
That's how we lost glit h techs.
Jealousy and spite.
Its lack of cynicism was a breath of fresh air. Capeshit has gotten so quirky and self aware that the only thing differentiating it from what was once parody is that the parody is now more earnest than the real deal.
The Boys TV show is exactly the adaptation that The Boys comic deserves. Y/N?
No, that's the I'm Your Pusher ep from Diabolical.
It's not as shit as I think it could be for today's media-sphere. Also
>no Simon Pegg as Hughie
frick.
The show sucks ass and I have no idea why anyone would watch it. Y.
People who watch the show dont like The Boys, they just wanted a new superhero show to watch and thats it.
so garth ennis cucked supes fanboys TWO TIMES with one work?
should have been a animated series
The Boys is Garth Ennis at his most unfiltered. There's a fantastic premise with some good moments but the comic desperately needed someone else to reign him in
>his most unfiltered
CROSSED
>the boys is Garth Ennis at his most filtered with regards to his superhero hateboner
there. happy now.
That's Hitman.
Hitman had the Superman issue.
i liked the show, never read the comic tho
Might could check it out. It's similar.
Literally one of the most atrocious artstyles ever put in fictional media
I like the show and comic for different reasons. The comic is mid-tier as far as Ennis' body of work goes and the show is a bit more consistent.
>show is a bit more consistent.
lol
Compared to the comic, absolutely.
The second I saw they made Stillwell a flirty woman i didnt watch anything more of the show since that misses the point of him so badly and I liked him best
Comic Stillwell is in the show, they just used the name of the former CEO Stan Edgar that died offscreen in the comic for some reason.
The boys comic is a disgusting, gorefest, and downright cruel.
Even art looks shitty becayuse everybody look so crusty and cover with grease.
that's like complaining that everyone looks crusty and dirty in dorohedoro that's the fricking point moron
would history matters count as Cinemaphile?
Havent read the rest of reply, but it's Garth Ennis at nearly his worst in terms of Ennis tropes. it's edgy for edgy sakes, and some aspects are very dated.
They made Senator Neuman a hot MENA girl, which I think is an improvement.
Neuman, Noir and even The Deep get more character.
>A nose that big
>Hot
>Not liking big-nosed women
Incel
Would frick
Jack is already banging her
What does that change about me saying I would frick her?
We’ll, you can’t, because she’s taken.
>We'll
get off the iphone Pablo.
>Dates the blue eyed, blonde girl in the show
>Dates a MENA girl in real life
Yeah that’s a white guy for you.
Doesn’t help that Starlight’s actress mogged herself.
How?
Cinemaphile has some interesting before & after pics. Don’t have them saved, but it’s clear that actress got work done.
Bogged, its bogged, anon
Cute
Yes, Claudia Doumit is very cute
For some reason, I want to cum on her eye brows.
you have shit taste
Yes, and I hate every piece of shit out there that has convinced women with sexy big noses otherwise.
What's wrong is you taking a redditor's opinion on anything seriously.
Someone should him this thread.
*send
Why? So he can ignore it at best, or get pissy that less people enjoy his pissy writing?
Because I want to be in the video…
The boys was great, when I was 15, now I’m 30 and I realize that the only good story within the comic was the story of butcher and hughie, and the show ruined those characters in the first season
both the show and the comic are fricking ass but I have never seen something that made me appreciate the comic like that ass excuse live action show
>no tek-knight
>get a shitty version of the stillwell speech about you don't impress me homelander by stan edgar instead
>won't get the kino of the you turned into a psychopath by mistake
>not even getting this
We might get this, definitely not pic related, I just hope Noir blackmails him with dead Doppleganger morphed as Homelander in drag, dead Stillwell and Noir hopefully snapping will be a close parallel to the comics.
I bet they’re saving the car scene for the last season.
After the 'I'm better' speech, I hope it'll be early. We're well past Herogasm, and I doubt we're giving The Boys permanent V-syrum. All I really hope is that they don't turn Noir into a tragic hero, it's not within the grime of the material.
Ok but seriously, how do the comics compare to the show in terms of story and character
The comics are more like a irreverent spy story featuring cape hunters. The Boys don't start from the start annoying the Seven, but go around messing with minor cape groups and ruining their day with blackmail and/or beatdowns so they answer for their frick ups. As the conspiracies escalate, so do the interest of the Seven.
Since they work for the CIA from the start, most early plotlines involves with conspiracies related with supes, and when not mocking capes, Ennis' pitch black comedy is aimed at the glowie antics and the US politics since WW2.
It's needlessly edgy and meandering with far too many minis
It's also extremely bluepilled since capitalism is the root of the cape problem
Haven't read the comic or watched the show but is there anything more to it than "what if superheroes but evil?"
Superheroes but sinful? If you avoid things with summation like that, then you probably wouldn't care to begin with it honestly.
They Boys is edgier than say Venture bros. but doesn't 100% take itself seriously like Invincible.
'Heroes' in The Boys are petty celebrity buttholes, and the strongest of them is no better.
Yeah that just sounds very one note.
>"x but y" mentality
>doesn't even look at the execution
you could have posted a wojak and saved me some time.
If you're defending this stuff then clearly you have time to spare.
You don't even know what 'this stuff' is.
>We'll never get Homelander get jetstream in his face and shout the word at the top of his lungs on the show
I'm glad they made stormfront a girl
I mean, if you really want to generalize it yeh thats what it is, but it's interesting seeing how superheroes affect things in terms of marketing and politics and it feels nearly impossible to go against them. It's literally like having monsters being able to do whatever they want and be loved by the public
I was hoping they were gonna pull a Homelander was cloned and birthed in Stormfront's womb and him realizing he fricked the only woman who understood him perfectly was also his mother and it causes HL to trigger the resurrection.
It starts really low and get gradually less worse.
I like how no one is pretending that Comics Homelaner is better than Show Homelander
Casting him is the one thing the show did perfectly, but if they were portraying him more closely to how he was in the comics he'd still be perfect in the role and the story might not be a steaming pile of missed opportunities and wasted potential.
>it's yet another thread that only exists because some turbohomosexual on Twitter doesn't understand that the superhero shit in the comic is just window dressing and modern Cinemaphile is 90% moronic zoomers
Look man, I'm just here for the autism.
nice dubs
I'm just for the fanarts and greentext stories
>Make a clone of HL that's stronger than him with the sole purpose of putting him down when he goes crazy
>Clone is already crazy
>He just gets bored and does it anyways
He wasn't stronger than him, he was just conditioned to believe his only purpose in life was "kill Homelander when we tell you to". The guys at Vought figured that along with the element of surprise would be enough of a failsafe if they ever needed to use it, but also they were dumb morons who didn't anticipate that conditioning a mentally unstable superhuman with a singular purpose and then telling him not to fulfill that purpose for his entire life might make him even more unstable. Because Vought being a soulless corporation that makes terrible decisions constantly is one of the central themes of the series.
They fought head to head, and he killed HL in one punch. Pretty sure he was stronger. Either way, the twist is dumb when you think about for more than a couple seconds, and BN in the show is way better
He didn't kill him in one punch tho. The fight went on offscreen and you can see Black noir's body almost completely destroyed as well
All we saw from the fight was BN taking off Homelanders lower jaw (as in, separate it from his head) with one punch, while Homelander laser eyebeamed one of Black Noirs arm. Then at the end a crippled black noir stumbled across the lawn holding Homelanders head.
Supes in The Boys generally have very low resilience however, so this tells us nothing as to which one was stronger. It could just be that they are both so heavyweight that one punch from either would carve a hole in the other. That plus BN having a supposed surprise hit is what would have made him an effective way to police Homelander.
>Then at the end a crippled black noir stumbled across the lawn holding Homelanders head.
It wasn't his head. It was the arm with a bit of homelander's back
He was stronger than Homelander. The fact that he killed Homelander without being able to fly proves it.
It’s funny how with Ennis I’m just like “yeah he’s an auteur and that shitty vulgarity and edginess is part of it. You take the good with the bad”
It works with his short comics. When he tries to emphasize a point it just gets obnoxious. His X-men arc of the boys and batman arc had high points but most were fricking garbage.
I don’t like the X-men arc of the Boys bc it’s so obvious. Whereas the Tek Knight stuff I thought was actually well handled and also so bizarre it was actually funny.
I’ve seen people say they want Jeffery Dean Morgan to be Tek Knight and I’m like “so you just read the list of names and who they parody?”
I think parts of it were fine but the parts that were too much were just fricking too much. Ennis needs to know when to go trashy and when to hold back.
Nothing ia wrong. Watching this pic always make me laugh at the nazicucks
Even the baby looks pissed.
It's black, wouldn't you be?
>Sucking on those breasts
The baby is happy
No. I can lie to myself about having a huge dick.
This cover is one of the few good things from the Boys actually the entire Homelander arc was pretty okay
Cringe
>Wanks the military way too much "Yeah, we have these superpowered dues.. but the military is the best and the greatest and the military can kick all their asses lol!"
>inconsistent art, but The Boys tends to have more bad art than good art.
>Word salad. Ennis sometimes forgets he's writing a comic book and not a novel.
>The Seven don't have much characterization and a lot of them are there for the sake of being there.
It occurs to me that the main reason most of the Twitter dipshits hate the comic (at least those who bother to read it rather than just parroting the reasons they should supposedly hate it from their favorite YouTuber) is because they literally were not alive or were too young to remember the era that the book is set in, which is extremely important to the story. And unlike stuff like watchmen set during the cold war, children these days get pretty much no education on how culture was affected by the political climate of the early 2000s.
Frick I hate this timeline
Frick you jackass, I read the comic when it came out initially, and it was just as shit then as it as now. Ennis is an edgelord with a military kink, and that shit brings down the quality of the comic 10 fold. You're just angry people are criticizing your favorite eceleb
>Celebrities being pedophiles, murders, and cannibals? That's completely unrealistic.
back then it was
If you'd asked me back when season 1 first came out I would agreed that the show is better, but as it is now I think the show's progressively gotten much worse and most of its problems can be traced back to the adaptational changes it made from the comics
>the titular Boys are the least interesting characters of the show
>Show Butcher has completely lost the great characterisation of Comics Butcher, as well as having no real motivation thanks to the backstory change
>they sped through some major plot points of the comic in the first season like the Hughie/Annie relationship and Homelander's mental state, which was good imo, but have failed to keep that pace since
>similarly, having the Seven as the antagonists from the start was good at first but it ended up meaning that there's little in terms of escalation in either narrative or threat
>the gore in the show occupies a weird middle ground between being over the top and too realistic, which doesn't work well despite the creators using it so often
The one consistently good part of the show is that near everything to do with Homelander and the supes is better than in the comics
Becca Butcher's rewrite is the shittiest part. If they bring up HL's cum strength, we might get a twist with BN, but that's about it. Doesn't help they're making Butcher a pseudo-father figure.
It really is the worst change. I can understand not wanting to fridge her, but they really should've just kept it the way it was since a) it provides a personal reason for Butcher to hate supes and Homelander in particular, and b) her death isn't about developing Butcher and regresses him instead, with the ultimate point being that women are absolutely needed in life
Especially since in the show it just ends up that Butcher completely gets the wind taken out of sails and they make Becca into kind of an butthole instead of a kind woman who Butcher worshipped
I'll just wait till M.M., Frenchie and Female get Butchered or maybe they'll kill them off in a tasteful way, that's one gripe I gave the comics and I don't mind the rest of the boys.
As you (or someone else) pointed out, the problem with the show is we barely got enough of boys.
I think this is just a result of avoiding the super fetus thing, I don't think any writer/director has the balls to put that on screen yet/
In my opinion, they wanted to give Butcher motivation about Supes because of Ryan's powers (and the context that made him go pew pew) while giving him some compassion and forgiving the kid.
I guess that I could buy that IF they made a whole episode about it and not just 10 minutes
Yeah, Becky’s rewrite made no sense.
>Want to keep her alive because you don’t want to have a Woman in the Refrigerator (Google it)
>Kill her off anyways
>a Woman in the Refrigerator (Google it)
Did. It's another sexy lamp thing so I don't care as much.
>the gore in the show occupies a weird middle ground between being over the top and too realistic, which doesn't work well despite the creators using it so often
This is the gayest opinion. Feel bad. You're fricking gay.
No
I just think that the goes in the show doesn't work. Imo it's a limitation of being live action, they can't go as over the top as the comics can and as a result the show's goes ends up feeling weak and half-hearted
Well, they do it sometimes, like when Homelander is daydreaming aboutlasering a crowd, the boat in the whale and the penis explosion.
Yet sometimes it's more realistic like when SB caves someone's head
Ennis's career has been one attempt after the other to make a splash in the industry with shock value as the fuel, and this is one of his like three successes
Show Homelander lacks the mental breakdown of the comic who, who started off as an arrogant celebrity expy who then slowly descended as he was gaslight into a sociopathic rage.
Homelander breakdown is shifted from being one event against him being a lab rat without any parental roles with the metric tons of insecurities it implies
Comic Homelander had the same, he also had BN literally gaslighting him with horrific acts that he never actually did.
The point is Homelander at the start wasn't a monster, his really fricking shitty life as a literal living product and experiment led to him snapping.
>Comic Homelander had the same
Literally forgot about that.
>Homelander at the start wasn't a monster
I agree and that shor animated The Boys Diabolocal movie about his first mission shows exactly that : he really tries his best and for a while is really acting like Golden Age Superman
If we had that that would be good, honestly I wish Diabotical did an alright panel by panel adaptation. Even if they cut the 'risque' parts, I wish things like Teen Kix and Herogasm were more faithful. Also all of Tek-Knight is hilarious.
>Tek Knight
Honestly I always thought that chracter was better written than most the comics character. I'm disappointed the show didn't adapt him.
Yet again, seeing how they wasted Sausage and Herogasm, I should be glad they just skipped it
>didn't get to be a part of the boys
>turned SB into an actual character
which is weird, but whatever. I'd rather they kill off A-train and wrap-up the Lamp Lighter thing, then HL goes full nuclear, then there's the matter of Butcher and the Boys. I think Butcher is gonna get Hughie'd either way.
I feel they are trying way too hard to make butcher sympathetic, he was always a fricking sociopath in the comic.
The entire point was butcher was a sociopath whose wife was the one thing not triggering him to be a maniac. This was to contrast Homelander, who was not a sociopath and was eventually conditioned into one through manipulation.
Yeah I feel the show really misses the point that Butcher is genuinely a nasty, evil guy. Though tbf in the comics the fact's not really communicated directly to the reader until you hit the back half of the series, so the show might lean on that a bit more once it starts heading towards the end
Yeah, Ennis is a big of a fricking shit writer at times, but Homelander and Butcher are actually amazingly written in the grand scheme of things.
If you took Homelander and Butcher, gave them the exact same upbringing, the same loving family and it would be Billy who would be the villain.
the way he kills all the other boys is absolutely devoid of passion, a literal psychopath.
I think this was accidental.
Nah, it's entirely intended, from when we first meet Butcher, he is a smug butthole, who jokes casually about everything, contrasting Homelander, who is also a smug butthole, but panics when a situation goes south.
Literally throughout the entire series you rarely see butcher get emotionally hurt by anything besides his dog.
Yes. The intention is "Butcher = cool, Homelander/Superheroes = pathetic".
>Homelander and Butcher are actually amazingly written in the grand scheme of things.
Butcher's character and that final arc is basically 90% of the reason why I'll happily say I like the comic despite all the other shit in it. It's fully worth powering through the worst of it to get the full story because Butcher is genuinely great
It's part of why I'm disappointed in the show because I find their version of the Boys are underdeveloped and mostly unlikeable, especially in comparison to their comic counterparts. If/when the show tries to adapt the final part of the comic it won't work half as well since Butcher and Hughie are massively different characters and no one really cares about the rest of the Boys. They threw out the baby with the bathwater when it came to them
Yeah, they have justified a lot of the 'shitty' things he's done (Gun Powder, Translucent, Mite). SB got the countess kill, no nose biting, again this is why we need the/an A-Train scene.
>Yeah I feel the show really misses the point that Butcher is genuinely a nasty, evil guy.
They kind of show that in last episode where after reviewing all of his life (including the part where he was responsible of his Brother's suicide and when he lies about the Temporal CV sideeffects to hughey)
He's still dramatically more of a feeling character than Billy "Literally only cares about a dog and maybe huey" Butcher
The comics were suffocating in Garth's style of writing. I prefer the changes they made to Butcher's character
I think their whole "Green Goblin" thing of the Homeland is supposed to be the BN thing of the comics : with the "bad" Homelaner doing all the thing the "good" one is accused of.
But at this point, I just think the comics and the show of 2 very different things, with their own flaws
They are, they're skipping beats for better or for worse. But I doubt they'll make any of the heroes redeemable, relatable but not redeemable.
>Also all of Tek-Knight is hilarious.
Tek-Knight is the absolute highlight of the first half of the comic, which otherwise ranges from meh to shit
>even his fat-senior butler isn't safe from the chrome-wiener
THIS GUY FRICKS
The best we have is the Deep and his need to frick every fish that can fit, which I do think is funny. But to me, it seems the cast isn't comfortable with talk of child abuse in a sexual way. Unless it's a quick/tasteful death, they won't involve them which is safe for Tv.
Why hasnt Tek Knight appeared yet in The Boys show?
Because it's hard to do "Fricks everything due to a pathological mental illness" very well.
the guy is genuinely unwell.
The show has already shown to take liberties, I don't see Tek Knight being an issue. Series would benefit from an Iron Man type trying to steer away from Compound V into hardware. Just play up the Iron Man shit, except his fetish is machines
>make him a sex-doll/robot freak surrounded by hi-tech fleshlights
There you go. Dude should have million dollar frick dolls and brag about it. Like he's just nude assembling one in a workshop and he's getting off on it
>Building is half the fun
Or it's very sentient and hates being fricked, there's ways.
Kripke has stated that in order to keep the show relatively grounded, he will not include anything that can't isn't compound v related. No super tech, no supernatural shit. Just one runaway technological breakthrough behind everything.
Oh so we can have a bullshit chemical with a power lottery like shrinking, Superman shit, and all sorts of dumb shit but a power suit is too much? Fricking hell
>keep the show relatively grounded
it's a series about fricking superhero's it doesn't need to be
Because they wanted Jeffrey Dean Morgan to play him but then COVID happened and that prevented any filming from being done
Read that in Warf from TNG's voice.
I feel like they could've easily merged the deeper characterisation of the shows Homelander with the gradual descent into madness of the comic
But instead most of the supposed tension in the show has come from them going "ooh look Homelander's doing his shaky jaw clench thing, is he gonna go mad now or not, we don't know!" and it's been like that since season 1
Exactly. Homelander feels like he was always going to crumble under the pressure, not a combination of constant ego inflation and sadistic manipulation leading to him have a complete meltdown.
It makes it less impactful when he's an actual sociopath, the horrible things he "did" and the reaction is what made Homelander snap.
Why do they type like that
Dude...if super man is evil*
*for the 100 time
It's more
>What if Superman.. is a superstar under contract
and is a test tube baby with the only drive being his surface level fame. That's one of the things I like about both iterations, Homelander's image to James/Edgar and the masses is his only true kryptonite.
More like
>What if Superman was a child actor groomed by hollywood
He's basically Ezra Miller.
Nothing. It's good.
Is it true that Black Twitter got uppity about Black Noir’s origin on the TV show?
>Is it true that Black Twitter got uppity about Black Noir’s origin on the TV show?
no, no one cares
>His true weakness is : his emotions
It's among my favourites tropes
Why would they, if anything Noir actually has a character, he does like 4-5 things worth noting in the comics and only really serves for the twist. He's still a Vaught hitman, we have a better reason for him to 'plausibly' pose a HL, he's be shown to have tried to replace out of date heroes before, he probably got augmented somehow (still disfigured underneath).
All that said, I haven't seen it. People are hoping he'll beat the shit out of SB and become a hero if anything.
I think The Boys has several good ideas that are executed a bit overly edgy and cringe
I know that most people are gonna not like the Boys comic because it's not politically correct and whatever. Personally I don't like it because of how over the top edgy and vulgar it is. Every page is littered swearing, every fight is a bloodbath, Every sex act is gross, there's shit and piss everywhere. You could cobble together a good story out of the good parts but there's so much needless edge in it.
Also it's just got such a downer view on super heroes in general. I get it, Super heroes are a bunch of spoiled frat boy douchebags. But outside of Starlight and Super Duper, just about EVERY Supe we meet is exactly the same way. It doesn't feel like commentary at a certain point, it feels like a circle jerk. A nonstop repitition of the same idea of "superheroes bad" that gets stale in a fricking hurry. I love the Gang's dynamic, Some of the fights are good. There are a few arcs that show the depth of the characters in ways that I think are really good. But it feels like there's way too many detours into just edge for edginess' sake.
The show changed a bit TOO much but in order to be coherent it absolutely had to change some of it.
It starts to make sense when "superheroes" in this setting are just analogs for American Celebrities.
I think that makes it more obnoxious. "Boy howdy, Celebrites sure are ALL irredeemable dumbass fratboy douchebags who'd be better of getting bludgeoned by a bunch of regular guys." We get glimpses of non supes being ok people but the overwhelming majority are just irredeemable pieces of shit, not just in the dozens but in the hundreds.I get it, celebrities bad, but I'd find it obnoxious to read a whole comic about how bad they are. I don't wanna read a TMZ comic.
>What’s wrong with The Boys comic?
It needs more rape
To be fair, everything does
Will we ever get shot of a baby being eaten?
you'll be lucky to get on screen cannibalism let alone with a baby
As a fan of Preacher, should I watch the tv show from AMC?
The show diverges a bit too hard from the comic. It's not worth it.
No, do yourself a favor and do not watch it
>no Tek Knight
>no Love Sausage
>no WW2-style takedown of Stormfront
>no proper Butcher backstory
>no too-good-for-this-world Becca
>no Terror
>no "Why'd you kill me dog Jack?"
>no proper use of "Bad product"
>and the show's ending will probably be an inferior adaptation of the comic's ending
They technically did have Love Sausage
>No Jack from Jupiter period
I loved him in Diabotical.
Diabotical was the best thing that even happened to The Boys
This. If the show was animated, more faithful to the comics, and made the characters like their counterparts while making some MINOR changes, I bet The Boys would have received as much praise as Invincible.
I bet not.
Why not? Just get rid of some pointless things and it could work.
>No actual James Stillwell
>Get some dumb boring prostitute and Giancarlo Esposito playing himself again.
Can we just admit that everyone's only here for Antony Starr?
>dumb boring prostitute
I really wish we got an actual Stillwell instead of Esposito yet again playing Gus Fring, but I won't have you slander the absolute MILF that is Elisabeth Shue
Seriously though, does Esposito not get tired of giving basically the same performance over and over again? I get that he's good at the whole soft-spoken, eloquent, controlling antagonist thing but he's massively typecast at this point and it makes up every major role he's done.
>Can we just admit that everyone's only here for Antony Starr?
you mean people haven't been doing that already?
>Starlight Figure? DON'T CARE.
>Homelander Figure? HOT GLUE TIME!
>and the show's ending will probably be an inferior adaptation of the comic's ending
homie the comic's ending was gay.
Yeah but they wasted Love Sausage twice. The trip to Russia was wasted bc Stormfront's already dead so there's no fight with them.
>Black Noir being suddently revealed to be a Homelander clone out of fricking nowhere and oneshotting him is a great ending
Lmao
I was thinking of the actual ending
Garth Ennis' best cape work will always be Section 8. WB should make an adult swim cartoon based on it with limited animation like Aqua Teen
The “Italians, I will never know what the fuher was thinking” is my favorite line from comic.
Stormfront in the comics was fun in an over the top "aren't Nazis a bunch of stupid self-righteous shitters" kind of way. He was a major threat, but the comic had fun with him being such an unrepentant evil shit and he gets a great comeuppance
Meanwhile Show Stormfront is treated uber seriously because apparently you can't have fun bashing in a literal Nazi villain any more, so everything with her is just played completely straight. And that's not even mentioning the stupidity of them whole "girls get it done" thing they do when so much of the rest of the season was about ridiculing EXACTLY that sort of thing
>And that's not even mentioning the stupidity of them whole "girls get it done" thing they do when so much of the rest of the season was about ridiculing EXACTLY that sort of thing
that's part of the joke, dumbass
He's saying that the show was hypocritical in it's message.
Except it wasn't?
The show mocked corporations' soulless and transparent pandering to women through meaningless catchphrases while still very much repressing them in the workplace; which was contrasted with the women in the final scene literally getting shit done and knowingly mocking that same dumb phrase while doing so
>"girls get it done" thing they do when so much of the rest of the season was about ridiculing EXACTLY that sort of thing
eh i don't understand the hate for that scene. it seemed purposeful in showing the girls get it done stuff and was still parading it. besides, the girls were the only ones who could fight
they should have gave the rights to do a live action adaptation to tarantino or hell even fricking james gunn
The comic suffered the same problem Kick-Ass did where tonal inconsistency kept undercutting the story so you have incredibly dead serious moments head on colliding with Garth wanting to get goofy with parodying Marvel/DC and pushing the envelope with what could be allowed in the comic
But that's nothing compared to how dogshit moronic this show is
>that pic
I've only watched the first episode of S3 so far but one of the weirdest things about it to me was that Starlight's main reason for wanting to be co-captain of the Seven was for girls to have someone to look up to.
Not because she could maybe have more influence over Vought, not because she could bring actually good people onto the team, and not because Homelander is super fricking dangerous and needs to be watched. She wants to do it for girl power.
>Starlight's main reason for wanting to be co-captain of the Seven
it's just because people love her in-universe.
Which seing how much Cinemaphile loves Silver-Age stories sounds believable
Don't worry, it will get more moronic as you keep watching, especially when Hughie gets treated like a fricking villain for spending most of the season risking his neck to save his friends who would be dead if not for him
The biggest question is whether Super Duper will even be mentioned.
ugly art, bottom of the barrel 10 cents per page coloring, shitty story, incoherent plot, and overreliance on shock value degenerate shit. just a handful of problems.
nothing, it's great
Both the show and the comic think they're genius for having the extremely controversial take of "it sure would suck is a mega corporation funded a bunch of super powered sociopaths"
>preformatively pretending The Boys is a good comic for social justice culture wars
Sad
It had nothing new or poignant to say, unless this was your entry point.
Marshal Law was smarter, funnier, had much better art and most importantly was not such a gigantic fricking slog. Why the frick is The Boys so fricking long?
I cannot stand the shitty digital shading in this comic.
I have no idea if it's good or not, I cannot get past how ugly it is and how it makes everything look like an inflatable. It's remarkable distracting and absolutely butchers the line work.
I think the you demonstrate the difference between the show and the comic in how they criticize wokeness.
>In the show, it's actually a recurring subplot with Maeve and integrated into the setting where Vought tries to profit off it by slapping LGBT rep onto their products and it's also an attempt by Homelander to intimidate Maeve by outing her.
>In the comic, the story stops and Hughie suddenly gets possessed to become an author avatar where he does a whole monologue about how wokeness is bad because sjws are evil and don't actually care about their cause (but also Hughie and Starlight help a trans character to show Ennis is not a homophobe or anything)
The show actually shows, the comic just tells.
Does it? All I can really remember is the early chapter where Not!Nightwing is forced to pretend to be cool with the gays when in reality he hates them and accidentally killed a guy coming onto him.
yeah the only like sjw critique in that is Hughie gets mad at Butcher for using homosexual and a bunch of other slurs but then he acts grossed out to go in the gay bar and Butcher points out the double standard.
Yup. The Boys is one of the few adaptations that works because Ennis's writing is so fricking bad
>Implying that Kripke's writing is any better
>Superheroes are bad
>But the protags are superheroes who don't call themselves superheroes, so really it's just the villains being called heroes and the heroes being basement dwellers who say no-no words a lot
The adaptation does a better job at portraying the themes the original comic was trying for
Terror was never used to rape a female supe.
The whole thing is relentlessly padded. Arc after arc that just goes nowhere, endless lore dumps that tell you shit you already figured out in the first couple issues, dialogue that stretches on and on with no point (Ennis can't write an interesting conversation to save his life, a problem that also rears its head in Preacher).
There's a solid core of good ideas and interesting content, but it's mixed in with so much chaff that I find it hard to recommend.
It is a tryhard edgy humor book without even a hint of subtlety. The parts that weren't gay and rape jokes were alright but even as someone who can likes a lot of Ennis' work but The Boys was mostly pretty intolerable.
I don't plan on watching the show so I can't comment on that.
Now this is military gimp shit I hear people say Ennis loves.
God, I wish. Marshal Law's one of my favorites.
I get the impression Ennis is downplaying how influential that book is on The Boys on account that legal issues could come up
No, he straight up points to it as a primary influence.
It is, but the show is cringier still.
>black noir is secretly le homelander's twin!!!
>billy butcher is the smartest and most BRUTAL working class lad in the whole universe, he graduated top of his class at the royal marines and is the strongest lad in the cia!!!
it's a garth ennis book that isn't preacher, lots of edgy shit, armchair military historian wankery and prole worship
What was the shows version of the 7 fricking up on 9/11? That's really when Ennis' actual critiques of superheroes shows in a way that's interesting and not just edge
The do this scene but it's just a random plane over the Atlantic, Homelander and Maeve are the only supes involved, and HL just goes "not my problem lol" and fricks off when he realizes he can't save it.
>Homelander and Maeve are the only supes involved,
Why?
strength and flight
Homelanders lasers the terrorist, fricking up the plane's controls. He can't pull the plane at that speed, he would just went through it.
Maeve tried to convince him to do a lot of high-speed travels to save at least some people, Homelander disagrees, saying that if they can't save everyone, it's not worth (and it's shown he really is too lazy now to try even if he could do that)
Homelander made superhero ISIS instead
Alan Moore and Garth Ennis, both are atheist, both hate superhero and superhero culture , both are heavily in
to puting extreme sex and violent in their works, both are strong communist supporter despite living in a free democracy who hate American culture and government, especially conservative. Both claims to be femsnist, yet treat their female characters as rape victims that mostly just useless and need men to confrot them. Both made lots cash form comics book fans and nerds, yet keep mock and made joke of nerds every time when they had the chance to do so in their works
Why are these european atheist writer so similar ?
because european writers hate thier parents.
Why do Europeans have such fricked up upbringings?
Alan Moore is an anarchist.
No idea about Ennis but I don’t think he’s a Communist.
He might not be a communist but he has tankie tendencies with how hard he jerks off cops and the military
Moore loved superheroes but got fricked over too many times and was soured on the whole thing. He grew up reading them and even tried to fix the direction they were headed post-Watchmen (which people like you conveniently leave out every time).
Ennis never even liked superheroes, except Superman for some reason, and the ones by Miller and Moore.
I always think it's ironic and funny that Garth was never been in the military himself and is based on his Ideal and fantasy on soilder/war on war comics.Yet he kept shiting on military superheros like Captain America , think hin as a joke.
While he's obsess with Punisher.
I don't get his obsession of military and why he worship and love it so much
Because Cap looks fruity in every iteration.
the Boys comic nailed the feeling of a 16-year-old edgelord writing out what he thinks would be a cool story.
That doesn't make them good, but that does make them feel deeply human; unlike the show which feels neutered and ironically, really corporate.
Weren't 16 old edge lords already jumping to anime and video games?
Well, if you were a 16-year-old edge lord who thought anime was for homosexuals, growing up in the late 80s early 90s, you probably would write a series about super cool dudes who kill the superheroes who are actually buttholes.
But another big point in the comics' favour; the bond between Butcher and Hughie is excellent, and one of the reasons the last arc hits as well as it does.
>Well, if you were a 16-year-old edge lord who thought anime was for homosexuals, growing up in the late 80s early 90s
This demographic doesn't exist. At best an edgelord in that era would be indifferent
this demographic is literally Garth Ennis. Born in 1970, would be a late teen in the late 80s early 90s, sees superheroes at their dumbest, makes fun of them.
>this demographic doesn't exist
I can name like 3 I know personally, what the frick are you talking about?
This is every RLM fan in existence my dude. 40+, still salty about the special editions, never got into anime 'cause it was weeby, this is a huge fraction of the internet.
I stand corrected, based on your response and the responses of those two other anons.
>RLM fan
Cancer of the earth. Mean spirited psychopaths. It's not enough that they hate everything, they have to drown everyone else in that negativity too.
It's actually not a half bad "commentary" on american social apathy, selfishness, witless pride, and soulless american corporatism, but it's a little mired in over-the-top, edgy gore violence and sex violence, and yet all that edgyness actually works with the story and fits the tone, so only people with "sensitive sensibilities" will really be put off by it.
how the frick they thought replacing this with the girlpower scene was a good idea I will never understand.
It shouldnt surprise anyone honestly. My first reaction to Boys being adapted was "Who the frick would want to adapt The Boys in modern America?", and then "HOW would you adapt The Boys in modern day America?". Of course the answer to both questions was "With lots of editing and story changes obviously. So much so that it probably completely ruins the concept and isn't worth a watch."
And I was right, every change i've read about sounded stupid and just pissed me off. Frenchie's one of my favorite characters, and his relationship with The Female is one of the funnest things about the books, and they completely ruined him and that from what i've seen and read.
>no Black Pierre yet
pissed, but hoping.
Hoping? Really? You know for a fact they're not going to adapt a scene where a white man kills a black man who insulted/harmed his father, and "took the white man's girl". Besides, they dropped the whole "Frenchie is basically a high functioning but ultraviolent lunatic" angle from his character. He's just some gun/drug smuggling half-russian guy now.
Soulja Boy American X'd Black Noir, twice. But yeah, they dropped his drug skills pretty quick.
>a white man kills a black man who insulted/harmed his father, and "took the white man's girl"
Black Pierre isn't even black
I think it's very funny and interesting how of it's time the Boys is. You'd really have to set it in the 00s for a proper adaptation
>So much so that it probably completely ruins the concept and isn't worth a watch.
Clearly you're wrong because the show's a great success and many agree that it actually improves the material because it's not so hyper focused on Ennis taking the piss on capes. The Boys is a prime example of taking a source material and improving it with changes. Only purist would think they were wrong to make major changes necessary to update it to modern day.
A 'little' is a large understatement
I don't get this guy, all his criticism seem to self comtredic themselves.
>> Hahaha stupid American and nerds who love superheros, blind worship fake characters,so pathetic.
Worship military and military man, like they're the strongest and the best
>> Iam liberal and support woman and LGBTQ
All the female characters are treated as sex object, only there to be rape victims or having sex with men, rescue by men.
All the , LGBTQ character are draw as ugly as frick.
He either doesn't believe anything he's saying or he has a very warped understanding of those topics. It's difficult to tell which.
It was too based for our reality
Haha I’m surprised he didn’t get canceled for that panel.
mfw I enjoyed buying The Boys and Crossed even though I knew they were both trash
At least with Crossed you get exactly what you paid for.
The Boy's tricks you into thinking it's a satire and it sometimes is but often it's just Ennis's usual b***hing about how all capeshit is cringe and he wishes Batman and Superman got raped to death.
I liked Crossed 100+
The Boys TV show is much, much worse. A soulless corporate product about soulless corporate products. It has no artistic touch it's just slop for the masses that makes fun of slop for the masses and people are too dumb to notice it. The comic isn't a masterpiece or anything (outside of the final Butcher and Hughie fight) but it is atleast an artist doing what he wants. If you like the TV show or say it's better you are part of the problem. Frick you.
I like both and am part of the problem.
>The Boys TV show is much, much worse
That is physically impossible.
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Has this thread devolved into two gays debating with multiple IP, about politic and who strawmans harder who?
Too try-hard edgy that it's cringe.
Like everything but Ennis, it's dogshit.
I think I prefer the shows soldier boy to the comics. Anthony Star does a great job as Homelander the periodic woke stuff is kind of jarring, and also christians being depicted as being taken advantage of by hypocritical homosexuals who runs cults of personality just isn't based in reality. Maybe for catholics that is true but real christians dont fall for that shit and know that churches and the worship of the lord shouldn't be treated as a commercial enterprise.
>but real christians dont fall for that shit and know that churches and the worship of the lord shouldn't be treated as a commercial enterprise
Oh yeah, that explains why there are so many mega churches in the US. Barely any "real" Christians exist in the country.
The boys is basically just cynical edgyness, its not Enniss's best work or even interesting out of its hot take on edgy superheroes and corporate dumbassery.
All in all I enjoyed the ending and Butcher and Hughie's relationship.
I liked this ending. It was touching. Butcher was a pretty great character, and I even rooted for him even though he was a malignant motherfricker.
>I'm going to ask all these people who are way too into superhero comic books about a comic book that does nothing but shit on superhero comic books
>Wow, they all seem to hate it
It's a good comic if you aren't the type of person who enjoys superhero comics, but I do think he went too far in a few places with the edge, but it is all in service to the story.
The TV show is a completely different beast and could have never been true to the comics, which again, explicitly shit all over the kind of people making the show and the mega corporations that fund them.
Nothing. Some of the offensive humor isn't really in service of the plot or characters, so some characters are just irredeemable. Like I don't remeber A-Train ever being someone the writer wants you to feel bad for. If you're comparing it to the show, the biggest difference is the Show had a more interesting "The Seven" while The Boys themselves are the more boring parts, especially season 2. But the comic is still way more interesting as it stands now.
It's a crude deconstruct of superheroes that did more for shock value than the medium itself. But it had great Character development and insane action thay made it a fun read.
It's a terrible comic with bad art. The one reason I have still not watched the show is because I know how shit the source material was and hearing people kissing Homlander's ass calling him a new classic villain just makes me want to vomit.
In fairness, Homelander in the show is much more developed and fleshed out than he was in the comic. He's easily the best part about it, no question
>I hate people liking things WAH WAH
heres your BOYS comic
I've always heard Wa Wa sandwiches were pretty good for gas station sandwhiches.
Plenty of things in there to criticize, but the only thing I think is truly awful is the final arc after defeating Homelander and BN. That was dumb.
The Boys comic actually made internal sense
The tv show is a schizophrenic mess where nothing characters do makes sense. Instead “messages” and “themes” are deemed more important than narrative coherence
For example
>writers mock people who don’t believe the mainstream media for being dumb
>also, all mainstream media in the show is depicted as being owned by vought and lying about the truth
damn, you actually nailed it. There is no internal logic in the show.
I’ll point out another example. I actually checked how many different writers the show has and it’s basically a different writer every episode.
I honestly think that’s made the quality way worse because characters seem to forget what they did before. And story events immediately ignore the previous one because the new writer doesn’t want to deal with it
>starlight exposes vought and homelander on livestream to millions at end of episode 6, is treated like a huge deal
>next episode lazily waves it away in first minute by just saying fake news
Or
>starlight kills an innocent man in season 2 to steal his car. She justifies it to herself and butcher by saying she didn’t care because he pulled a gun… even though butcher pulled one first and they were trying to steal his car. What was he meant to do?
Obviously a writer just wanted a “frick gun owners” scene. They even had him say “this is a stand your ground state!” And decided it made sense for starlight. The bulletproof woman with super strength. To walk up to him and punch him to death instead of disarming him
Now. In season 3
>starlight shouts at Hughie for “teaming up with a murderer!” Meaning soldier boy and butcher
>she says this, when she herself is a murderer. Hughie is a murderer. And starlight begged Hughie to find a way to murder homelander the previous episode
It’s just nonsense
>starlight exposes vought and homelander on livestream to millions at end of episode 6, is treated like a huge deal
>next episode lazily waves it away in first minute by just saying fake news
So it's an accurate depiction of how the world works today.
Another example of a character being moronic
>starlight sees the Boys and soldier boy almost killing Homelander. Just needs to be held down for a few more seconds
>decides not to help for some reason
>claims soldier boy is just as bad as homelander so it doesn’t matter… even though soldier boy can be stopped with a fricking gas attack. Can’t fly. Doesn’t have super speed. And generally doesn’t have a way to destroy entire countries
>immediately tries to expose homelander on a livestream when she has no way to stop him and believes he will go on a rampage if he loses popularity
It makes no sense. The shows idea of morality is nonsensical
Like how Hughie wanting powers to protect the person he loves is toxic masculinity. But Kimiko asks starlight ONCE for it for the same reason and immediately says yes
Maybe, just like in reality...everyone is wrong, but also right at the same time.
That life is more complex than black and white opinions but public life is too lazy to have in depth converstations.
We need less extremes from both sides and find balance.
which would be a good message for the show to have, but it clearly doesn't.
>everyone is wrong, but also right at the same time.
hi Patriots AI
I checked to see if AltHistoryHub saw this thread but he hasn’t posted on his Twitter since June 28
Ennis is a jaded, 2edgy4you, miserable frick. That is all.
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