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EXPECTATIONS: SUBVERTED
>tfw you subvert your *own* expectations
> A bad show gets bad ratings
what about firefly
The rating for Firefly weren't even that bad considering it was aired on a Friday graveyard slot with little advertising and episodes shown out of order. It was Fox who thought they could do better if they cancelled it and put something else on instead. Turns out the shows that replaced it did even worse.
every reel of film or second of digital media created with Joss Whedon's involvement should be annihilated
there would be no loss for mankind
Frick off
Burning and destroying bad media helps society
Frick off Joss
A bad show got bad ratings
Its try hard dogshit with incredibly cringe dialogue
Waaaoooooow muh space western, so cool!!
Grow up
Firefly was cancelled early, before most people realized it was bad. If firefly had lingered for a few seasons, people would have caught on eventually and then firefly wouldn't have the cult following it does today.
yea like buffy and angel right? or even dollhouse, no cult following nope not at all nothing to see here
There's no way dollhouse has a cult following. I don't believe you
it does hard to believe I know but seriously it does
I liked Dollhouse, but I've never seen anyone talk about it. It was a promising show that had an absolute shit final few episodes.
It's like Caprica or something.
Caprica was the inverse I think. Started off garbage but the episodes that aired after it was canceled were actually good.
Those shows are widely remembered as TV slop. Unlike firefly which is considered to be high art the sort of manchild who pretends that he's cultured and sophisticated for knowing about it.
>Those shows are widely remembered as TV slop.
ah no they are beloved cult shows, hence cult following, you using buzz words does nothing to change that
The only person I ever knew that liked Buffy was a 300lb goth girl that jerked off horses.
core buffy demographic
you don't know many people, also what is so confusing about "cult" also it was super fricking popular while airing, I had random girls in high school telling me how much they loved lorne, I was surprised
Hot.
>take a decent show, put it in a graveyard slot, and air it out of order
it was better that it ended when it did, anyways
>what about firefly
Anyone remember trying to watch S1 of Futurama?
>check tv schedule:
>Simpsons, followed by Futurama
>real life:
>Simpsons, followed by literally anything else
yeah, that's why people loved it so much. it was a rarity on television, a treat.
binging the series sucks hard
>it's on Tuesdays now
>gets shown once
kek yeah
Kek what a load of horseshit. If you knew the numbers were going to be lower why did you expect them to be higher. What moronic double-speak.
As I was saying, Moggy should make up for all of those people she killed by getting collared and turned into a baby factory until she's made up for her kill count.
https://www.theoryland.com/intvsresults.php?kwt=%27dragons%27
>Although who can say what may be said in the next Age? Remember, things get repeated, things get distorted. And what the next Age believes is true history of a previous Age may not be in any way close to what actually happened. So who knows?
>Although who can say what may be said in the next Age? Remember, things get repeated
>things get repeated
From the man's own mouth.
>And then Lew Therin is the "Dragon Reborn".
Those are the mental gymnastics the other anon is accusing you of making. That's such a huge nonsensical leap.
>it doesn't change the lore
It does, in that it's different from the books. In the show they call LTT the dragon reborn and the showrunner said in an interview that there is a dragon in every age, which RJ explicitly said isn't true in the books. They aren't being cute naming him after a myth or legend, they are directly stating that LTT is a reincarnation of a past dragon. That may not "break" anything fundamental in the past lore of the series, but it's nonsensical and completely takes the punch out of the title and what it means for Rand to be the dragon reborn.
Being technically wrong is being practically dysfunctional, are two different things. And you autists need to get that through your thick skulls.
>bro it doesn't matter that it's in direct conflict with what the author said
>bro it doesn't matter that it changes the history of the world
>bro the series can still work bro
>just squint and it's the same thing
>just close your eyes bro
>bro don't be an autist
Always fun to meet an Amazon employee
Kek, even sanderson was shitting on the series. Cant imagine what robert would say if he was still alive
sanderson was willing to give it a pass until the last episode of S1. he streamed his hilarious reaction, and promptly distanced himself from it
Think that was common for most people. You could grit your teeth and get through S1, until that last episode.
>Think that was common for most people.
Maybe a moron who never read the books like yourself. The show was garbage from the opening scene.
>until the last episode of S1
why, what happened?
I will not watch even one minute of this show.
>why, what happened?
I wouldn't even know where to start. Nynaeve dies and then Egwene brings her back to life. The Horn is sitting under a throne at Fal Dara. Loial gets stabbed with Fain's dagger. Holy shit man
did they explain why Loial and the 2 other guards that was pickaxing the floor where the horn was were alive in season 2? i feel like the show runners just couldnt be bothered to cast new people
I haven't watched season 2 but from what anons have said here, no they have no explanation for it at all. I assume the show is ignoring the part where a scratch from the dagger is fatal
nope they are just ok no explanation no discussion they are just fine, that is all
its so so so bad its unbelievable
>don't touch anything in the blight
>proceeds to touch everything in the blight
>nye tells lan how to track moraine, also that bit is off screen because of course moronic
>egwene brings nye back to life after she is burnt out
>loial and Uno are stabbed by the Dagger, both are just fine next season
>ingatar does this big epic ride to tarwins gap, then they all dismount and take up archer positions
their is not a single thing about ep8 that isn't pants on head moronic
>eye of the world is some bushes
you forgot one
no it was that aes sedai symbol in the center of the bushes
oh your right, sorry
And also the Eye is now the Dark One's prison.
fricking hell lol yea forgot that, but no it was all a trick to release ishamael, that actually is one of the few things s2 has done to try and rectify s1, basically moraine was an idiot in this version
>ingatar does this big epic ride to tarwins gap, then they all dismount and take up archer positions
Okay not trying to defend them but there is historical precedent for this. Caesar says this was how Germanic tribes used their horses, basically just as transportation to and from the battlefield
dude these are borderlanders, more then that shinarians the first line of defense, also Ingtar ya know one of the Five Great Captains, it was so fricking stupid
>rand's reason to resist the shadow is because egwene wouldn't like it
>moiraine is gentled
>the horn of valere was under the lord's throne in fal dara
>loial, ingtar and uno are stabbed with mat's cursed dagger and by multiple fades
>perrin watches his friends getting killed and does nothing
>egwene, nynaeve and three other women destroy the shadow's whole army
>nynaeve burns out and dies, gets brought back to life by egwene
>mat is evil
It wasn't even the worst that season. There were just some morons who hadn't realised how much they deviated from the source material. The last episode cemented how little they care. Second season is trying to follow the plot of book 2 while showing the main characters as sparingly as possible.
she was horribly miscast, she looks like a mopey child in nearly all her scenes
>Rand has a montage scene where they retroactively cram all the foreshadowing about him being the Dragon they originally skipped because they wanted to keep the stupid "mystery" and couldn't risk giving him any significance or screentime
>he goes to Moiraine like "I'm the Dragon" and they frick off to the Blight together
>Moiraine masks her bond with Lan so he can't track her (despite being Lan) and has to ask fricking Nynaeve for help
>the Blight is now just a slightly spooky forest and the Eye of the World is changed to the "Dark One's prison"
>Rand and Moiraine encounter Ishamael who immediately rekts Moiraine and stills her and traps Rand into an illusion where he's married to Egwene
>Rand breaks free from the illusion by realizing that what Egwene wants is more important
>Ishy smirks just before Rand blasts him with the power, revealing that this was all a part of his plan and he's now free
>meanwhile in Fal Dara people are preparing for the battle at Tarwin's Gap
>the soldiers make a slow-mo cinematic cavalry charge at the fortress/wall that's blocking the gap, dismount and go inside (lmao)
>the battle starts and everyone gets killed, including Agelmar himself
>only then like five women or so who could channel link up and BTFO the invading army (which Rand does in the books alone) and almost themselves because they can't stop pulling in the power
>Nynaeve death fake out, but don't worry, Egwene heals her by being really sad
>Rand fricks off, seemingly into the Aiel Waste and tells Moiraine to tell everyone else he died there
>Moiraine sends a message to the Red Ajah to go after Mat for some fricking reason
>Padan Fain infiltrates Fal Dara, stabs Loial, Ingtar and Uno with the Shadar Logoth dagger and steals the Horn of Valere that was hidden underneath the throne all along, brave sir Perrin almost says something
>retroactive foreshadowing
This is so phenomenally stupid that I had completely forgotten about it kek
I lost all respect for him reading his Reddit comments during the airing, what a traitorous hack, he might as well have taken a dump on RJ's grave.
when the checks stopped coming in the mail more like
How the frick do you guys know more about the show than I do, while simultaneously hating it 10x more than me?
Like, it would never even cross my mind to watch Sanderson's stream of him watching the show. I didn't even know that existed until I read your post. How are you so tuned in to something you despise?
>guys why do you have different opinions than me?
good question, anyone have an answer for this homosexual?
Nice disingenuous response. You know what I'm really asking. Why do you burn so many calories partaking in something that you hate? I'm a jobless neet with nothing but time on my hands, and I still can't imagine how much time you must have spent immersing yourself in knowing every scrap of behind the scenes trivia to this show.
see
We have been on 4 chan for a long time and our hobby is hating things. Remember the Cinemaphile rage comics? it's in the same vein you grow to almost like the rage and hatred.
I love this series and I fricking hate this show, simple as, I know everything about everything, put it this way, I was devastated when RJ died and while I enjoyed mistborn and warbreaker elantris, I was pissed as frick that gold digger harriet chose BS for WoT, I and others know every single thing about this because we care, unlike the people involved in this show, the thing that makes me sad is poor Maria, she must hate whats been done and in her waning years too, it seems cruel
It's a shame you weren't talented enough or motivated enough to be a positive force yourself that Maria could rely on.
I was 16 m8 how could I have supported her? maybe oh idk harriet could have
>>bro it doesn't matter that it's in direct conflict with what the author said
Actually, the author only said that Lew Therin is the Dragon, that the name was given to him, that the name was symbolic, and that real dragons don't exist. All facts that don't change when you append "reborn" to the end of it.
A dragon reborn can still be a name given, can still be symbolic, and doesn't change the non-existence of real dragons.
In all practical sense, nothing has changed.
>>bro it doesn't matter that it changes the history of the world
It didn't though. You can still put Lanfear and Lew Therin in the same exact positions, doing the same exact things. Calling him the dragon reborn changes nothing about the events of their past.
Earlier you claimed I'm doing mental gymnastics. But in truth, it you doing the gymnastics, and me trying to explain that it's unnecessary to do all that work.
As far as the Wheel is concerned, the soul of the champion is light, is always the same soul. Sometimes, that soul is The Dragon, sometimes it is not...as far as the Wheel is concerned.
As far as people are concerned, Lews is the Dragon, and Rand the Dragon Reborn...because they existed in close enough proximity to each other that there was still knowledge of the existence of Lews as "the dragon". Almost no one including the souls themselves fully understood how the wheel deals with reincarnation, thus Rand was the "Dragon Reborn" even though his soul was actually that of the Dragon. The distinction is made for people, not the Wheel.
Yes, I understand that as Robert Jordan's canon.
Now the book canon moronicly decided to make Lews Therin a Dragon Reborn too. Why would the people give Lews Therin that name? Doesn't really matter. I could sit here and spew out a dozen different "what if"scenarios. But it would all come to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter how he got the name. He just has it. If Lews Therin has the name Dragon Reborn, then the people in the future will call the next Dragon the Dragon Reborn too. So it really changes nothing.
please provide a book source for Lews Therin being called Dragon Reborn
I never said the book called him the dragon reborn. That's show canon. Obviously different than book canon. Just *insignificantly* different.(For that one detail. the show made other changes that are significant. But we're not talking about those)
>yes it does as we've explained to you at length
No you have not made a successful argument that it changes anything significantly. Say, hypothetically, that the show did everything right. That it went beat for beat with the book. Nothing changed. Hypothetically. Except for one thing: They called Lews Therin the Dragon Reborn. This would alter nothing. The show would still continue following the book. The histories would play out exactly the same. The narrative would remained unchanged.
just ignoring facts doesn't change anything, it fundimentally changes the motivations and understanding of the world the characters who are btw still active in this story, hence not only lore breaking story breaking, just going nah uh, doesn't change that, also the show doesn't have "canon" it decided to ignore 1/2 of s1 because even they seemed to realize how much they fricked up
>it fundimentally changes the motivations and understanding of the world the characters who are btw still active in this story
How? Just saying it's a big deal doesn't make it so.
Typo. The second sentence should read: "Now the book canon moronicly decided to make Lews Therin a Dragon Reborn too"
A apologize for the typo. But come on. Use some fricking context clues.
What's significant about "Callendor"? Does it mean something in the old tongue?
>How?
how many times do you need the same thing explained to you? I have multiple times last thread why do it again when you just ignore it and carry on with your ignorant nonsense?
None of your previous explanations were substantive. The one thing you challenged me on, is when you said Lanfear wouldn't do the bore, if she knew about the dark one. I responded by saying they could have gotten the name "Dragon Reborn" without knowledge of the dark one. You then went on to say I'm performing mental gymnastics. But I don't care if you think it's gymnastics. I only care that my "what if" scenario is plausible or not. Which you haven't even bothered to refute this whole time. You just keep repeating that you explained things you didn't explain.
Stop expecting intellectual honesty from people who are not arguing in good faith.
Christ, I typo'd in my own correction. It should ACTUALLY read "Now the show canon moronicly decided to make Lews Therin a Dragon Reborn too"
blood and bloody ashes anon its time to stop posting, it was already embarrassing now its just pathetic
>Now the book canon moronicly decided to make Lews Therin a Dragon Reborn too
Now the book canon moronicly decided to make Lews Therin a Dragon Reborn too. Why would the people give Lews Therin that name? Doesn't really matter. I could sit here and spew out a dozen different "what if"scenarios. But it would all come to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter how he got the name. He just has it. If Lews Therin has the name Dragon Reborn, then the people in the future will call the next Dragon the Dragon Reborn too. So it really changes nothing.
The show could change the name of Callendor to Xallendor, and it doesnt change anything about the artifact. Except it does, it changes it name, its name is Callendor. Changing a name from the source material matters, even if its just the name.
>I never said the book called him the dragon reborn
not on purpose, but you sure did.
proofread your ramblings, dumbass
yes it does as we've explained to you at length
>In all practical sense, nothing has changed
Except for the name, which in direct conflict with what RJ said. I already said the name change doesn't break anything fundamentally do I don't know why you choose to come back to this hill. It's a stupid and nonsensical change made by people who do not respect the source material. It changes the history of the world in that it implies there's a Dragon in every age, which is false. Again, the showrunner said there is a dragon in every age. It isn't some cute interpretation of a myth being given to LTT, its what the show's society seems to publicly acknowledge as an eternal title for his soul. This is stupid.
>Earlier you claimed I'm doing mental gymnastics.
Unless you're referring to
then it wasn't me, and I already plainly and clearly stated that I said so because of how you used my interpretation of the dragon legend cycle to justify the name change, which makes no sense given what Rafe Judkins has said about the dragon being reborn in every age, which might even have been said in the show itself idk I never rewatched season 1. You're doing the mental gymnastics because you're making all these leaps to try to justify the show's lore, which is fruitless and also unnecessary since the show is already so far gone from the books that no one's opinion of it will change based on this one name change somehow making sense. I actually didn't use the term mental gymnastics as an insult, just to label the leaps in your logic. I'm just pulling shit from the books and the author, man, I don't see why anything ever had to be more complicated than that.
he thinks he's "trolling"
>I already said the name change doesn't break anything fundamentally do I don't know why you choose to come back to this hill
Because it's the only thing hat matters to me. Arguing anything else outside of that hill, is just pointless. It's you having autistic fits over technical inaccuracies. I'm not going to soothe you and tell you everything is ok.
>it's the only thing hat matters to me
Your theory on where the name dragon came from is where I joined the conversation. Why engage in the topic if it doesn't matter?
>autistic fit
Is it an autistic fit because I used shit from the book in my theory and not ifs or maybes? Or merely because I disagreed with you? I'm thinking the latter.
Eh? I don't know who you are, when you joined, or even if that matters. What do you want from me?
I read a few posts back, and realized nothing you're saying sounds like anything worth arguing with. So what are you really trying to get out of me?
I agree with the other guy.
The connection is between Lews and Rand. It’s supposed to note that despite there being a cycle, these two ages are inexorably intertwined and Rand has the destined fate to right the wrongs of the previous age. He is a symbol of redemption for the Age of Legends and not just another random iteration of the same being
So this all boils down to Rand appearing a degree less special. Rather than being a level 99 Mary Sue, he's a level 97 Mary Sue.
Let me ask you this: Who else would right the wrongs of the previous age? If Lews is named "Dragon", the Dragon Reborn will bring redemption. If Lew is named "Dragon Reborn", then the next Dragon Reborn will bring redemption. The only difference being, how you the reader, interprets the importance of the titles.
I wouldn't have to write 30 posts of ramblings, if you asswipes didn't challenge everything that comes out of my mouth.
You say you don't want us to challenge you but then you go and do really fricking stupid shit like calling Rand a Mary Sue.
Well, I kind of exaggerate for effect. But there is some truth to it. Rand does have many Mary sue symptoms.
>Rand does have many Mary sue symptoms.
Mary Sue symptoms, like becoming a crippled schizo?
>inb4 he equates ta'veren shit to being a mary sue
Guys, that wasn't the original person who called him Mary Sue. That's me. And this post
is mine. I'm literally 2 steps ahead of you, and knew you were going to think less of my post if I mentioned anything to do with taveren. That other anon just commented faster and made me look bad.
You've never seen an edgy Mary Sue before?
Robert Jordan literally states that one of his inspirations for making WoT, is to explore how character living in the country would truly act, when they were called on to go on some fated journey. You can listen to the interview here https://voca.ro/1heoggwniKM9 The quote is at the 1:15 mark.
So it just goes to show that Rand is actually RJ's tool of expressing how he feels such a journey would go, in accordance to his experience as someone who grew up in the country.
>1:15 mark
oh great, now the idiot is quoting bible verses
>the idiot
>rigney
>history professor
>physics and nuclear scientist
>the iceman got 5 medals of valor
>one of the best selling authors of all time
idiot...ok bud so what have you done with your life
you are really fricking dumb
You are none of those things, schizo.
no I'm not, Rigney was, and you called him an idiot, are you even literate?
Oh damn, you're actually moronic. I'll explain the joke then.
>>The quote is at the 1:15 mark.
>oh great, now the idiot is quoting bible verses
The joke is that nobody quoted the bible.
yea I get that, but its not just a dumb joke in good fun you are actively trying to discredit RJ, had to set the record straight for the nu-gay lurkers ITT
>you are actively trying to discredit RJ
"the idiot" claimed to be quoting the bible was this anon
, not Robert Jordan. Do I need to explain the joke to you again?
I get the joke I just didn't like it, disrespect to rigney makes me upset
>I get the joke I just didn't like it, disrespect to rigney makes me upset
you sweet autist, you're too pure for this world
thanks frodo
The disrespect was to this anon
you autist.
by the light, close the tab and go to sleep you unhinged schizo
he was all those things you utter moron, calling RJ an idiot is truly some delusional shit
go to bed schizo
you really are an idiot eh? do you have any idea who you are talking about? who he was? just spamming schizo doesn't change how stupid you are, is this the new amazon employees shift? the last one is done for the day?
he was making a joke about your post, moronic esl monkey
no (you) weren't you have no idea what you are talking about and once you looked it up you were surprised how right I was and now you are back peddling, you clueless tourist
you said
>the quote is at 1:15 mark
that sounds like a bible quotation
so he made a joke at your expense
lmao, don't know why this got me but it did.
>A Mary Sue is a character archetype in fiction, usually a young woman, who is often portrayed as inexplicably competent across all domains, gifted with unique talents or powers, liked or respected by most other characters, unrealistically free of weaknesses, extremely attractive, innately virtuous, and/or generally lacking meaningful character flaws.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue
None of that really applies to Rand, he has all kinds of flaws and fricks up a lot.
There are flaws, and then there are "flaws".
Real flaws are the kinds of flaws that Egwene has. Which is why there's a sect of fans who hate her. Because she actually did things that can be interpreted as unlikable. Fake flaws are things that sound bad, but are actually good. Like humble bragging.
"Ugh, my back hurts because my boobs are too big. oh woe is me lugging around these big sloshy bazongas".
"I have to wear these stylish sleeves, because they disguise my cuts. I'm so tortured. You wouldn't understand. My feelings are just too deep. Oh woe is me, carrying around these sins"
"I have to wear this collar to suppress my power. I'm just too powerful without it. Oh woe is me, I destroy everything I touch"
Rand has his fair share of "flaws", but no real flaws.
being insane and targeted by literally everyone in the world plus his wounds never heal he is in constant pain from tgh onwards, they aren't pretend "flaws" they are very real
No, they're not. The one real flaw Rand has, is the one all the Two Rivers folk have: He's too stubborn for his own good. He makes a number of bad decisions due to not conceding to good advice. And that's why I don't say he's a full on Mary Sue. Just a character with heavy Mary Sue symptoms.
mmmmm.... Maybe. I would have to re-evaluate that matter. It depends on the particulars. Which I can't remember at the moment. Which incident are you referring to?
Bruh, that's funny and all. But you do not want to bring Rand's Harem into the equation. That's one of his largest Mary Sue qualities. He meets girls 1 time, and they instantly fall in love with him. PUH LEASE.
>You've spent too much time on Cinemaphile
Schitzo posting actually has extended beyond Cinemaphile. I think it's you who hasn't gaze beyond these garden's walls. People actually love schitzo type characters.
You have no fricking idea what a mary sue is.
PoD, rand goes mental using callandor against the seanchan, it works but he also kills 1/2 his own army
Power outside of his control. He can hardly be blamed for that.
>I knew you'd get to the harem eventually.
Don't put this on me. I didn't bring up his girls. You did. You went there.
>Again, you don't understand what a mary sue is and you clearly don't know anything about Rand that you haven't pulled from a wiki
Ironic that you went to wikipedia for the definition of mary sue.
>This only worked on one of the three btw
1 too many. And also, no. They al fell in love at first sight. Aviendha was just being tsundere and not admitting her feelings. Min saw her fate with him in the beginning, but tries to act tomboy cool about it. And Elayne is bold enough to call him handsome when they first meet. Which isn't necessarily a love at first sight thing. But in that kind of world, it kind of is. Due to her status, she should be more careful with opening herself up like that to strangers.
>Power outside of his control. He can hardly be blamed for that.
oh god are we going to go through, "rand isn't really nuts its the voice in his head that is" yet again? it also amplifies the taint, so he goes extra super crazy when using it as shown waaay back in TGS opening
You're not as smart as you think you are.
The irony.
If you would just stop whistling, I really don't mind ok maybe ill play my lute while you weep buddy
Being tainted in the first place, when it was a fate he never wanted, frames the taint as Rand shouldering a burden, rather than being the fool.
People like you are so obviously butthurt because a character you like is (correctly) called a mary sue so you try to dilute the term and throw it around like "w-well, all these OTHER characters you like are mary sues as well so you can't make fun of me!" while completely misunderstanding what the term even means.
No character I've ever like, has been called a mary sue. I mean a character I liked-like. Never happened. You would like for that to be true though. That's how you cope.
>women finding a man attractive when they first meet him is totally implausible
I'm so sorry for you.
>Ironic that you went to wikipedia for the definition of mary sue
I actually didn't have to since I know what one is. Something you still don't know, by the way.
Man you're salty today!
have a nice day APOLOGIST homosexual
meant for
>The one real flaw Rand has, is the one all the Two Rivers folk have: violent schizophrenia
What did anon mean by this??
I knew you'd get to the harem eventually.
>one of his largest
It's literally his ONLY mary sue quality and it's so irrelevant to the plot that it comes off as more of a consolation prize after being chewed up, digested, and shat out by the universe for his service. Again, you don't understand what a mary sue is and you clearly don't know anything about Rand that you haven't pulled from a wiki
>he meets girls 1 time
This only worked on one of the three btw
>Which incident
Rand could not use Callendor without losing control, did it anyway..and he killed 100s of his own men.
He balefired a massive fortress and everyone inside, innocent or not.
He kept a list of names of all the women he had killed or gotten killed
inb4
>"constantly repeating the names of all the women you've killed in your head is actually a mary sue trait because people think killing women is cool"
It actually is. Rand is an emo boy.
Stop reading the wiki and read the books at least once.
Rand has killed hundreds if not thousands because of his ego....that is not a flaw?
>schizophrenia is cool
You've spent too much time on Cinemaphile
>rand being a cripple is just to make him cool
You haven't read the books. There is nothing cool about Rand losing his arm.
> Rand has his fair share of "flaws", but no real flaws.
He’s literally a paranoid schizophrenic with multiple personality disorder, he’s hated by 50% of the population (even his close friends) and doesn’t understand women like Perrin or Mat
>and doesn’t understand women like Perrin or Mat
I like you anon
>and doesn’t understand women like Perrin or Mat
kek, best running gag
I mean taveeren or however it is spelt is a hand wave plot way to keep rand, perrin and matt safe by pattern bending to have them get their way much of the time
>have them get their way
There is a scene where Rand negotiates with a guy, and the guy tells him to frick off. But the pattern physically changes the words that come out of the guys mouth.
>guys did you know that the story about gods chosen one and his friends is about...GODS CHOSEN ONE AND HIS FRIENDS?
Wow, great insight there bud
>he needed 12 books to win
>dies anyway
why was god such a tease bros?
god damn, did you read the books?
>or however its spelt
please FRICK OFF FOREVER
ayesaiddie
You don't understand what a mary sue is and you don't understand what a ta'veren is. Please stop embarrassing yourself any further.
ta'veren is nothing more than Robert Jordan's cope for how the characters can coincidentally be in the right places at the right times.
>and then the two characters who've been looking for each other for months just happen to bump into each other on the street at precisely the right moment to save the day because.. uh.. the pattern willed it (the story demanded it)
but its woven into the story, as more then the occasional, oh they just did because luck, its much much more then that it just takes time to develop. The 3 use their ability in very different ways but at its core its gathering people to their banner
Their abilities aren't what make them ta'veren. Having special abilities is not what makes a ta'veren. Most people with abilities are not ta'veren, and most ta'veren do not have special abilities.
Min had an unusual power, and was NOT ta'veren.
Artur Hawkwing was ta'veren, but had NO usual powers.
ta'veren is literally just being favored by fate. It means the story bends itself in implausible ways to suit the character, e.g. the author's excuse for why some characters have too much luck.
no their ta'veren ability was separate from their other abilities its not just luck which of course is mats, ta'veren had its own function which is far beyond the individual abilities of the people involved, it was basically a blessing by the wheel its main use was to draw others to follow them
>people meet at the right time
ta'veren is not an ability, it's a trait of the way the story treats them. You can't do anything with being a ta'veren, it makes things happen to you. It is quite literally not an ability.
ta'veren is not an ability or controllable. Its the pattern saying you are my b***h, if others are close you to...they will be my b***h too.
yes thats basically correct except...
>do you think I couldn't just stop your heart right now if I...wished it?
rand actually does get control of it to a certain degree by the end and Mat and Perrin at least understand it by the end, and it is not just an easy plot trick to get people where they need to be
The rules get pretty murky by the end, but Zen-Rand pattern hax dont really count as controlling ta'veren ability. The others certainly couldnt control it.
>do you think I couldn't just stop your heart right now if I...wished it?
The point of this was intimidation. He was telling her "do you want to push your luck when you know random twists of fate happen around me?" It was not him saying he could actively choose to do it.
yes of course I was just pointing out that ta'veren is more then
>i've got plot armor
Mary Sues often have deformities. That doesn't disqualify him from anything.
His schitzo descension just makes him more of an edgy style of Mary Sue. There are a lot of them out there.
>His schitzo descension just makes him more of an edgy style of Mary Sue.
I can't do it. I can't go on discussing the books with you. You've won dude. Just leave me in peace and go back to your wiki
>lots of mary sues go schizo and get their hands exploded
List five.
Hang on. I never said that losing a limb is a mary sue trait. I said that losing a limb does not disqualify someone from being a mary sue. It's square and rectangle logic. Not all rectangles are squares, but all squares are rectangles. Not all mary sues lose a limb, but all mary sues without limbs are still mary sues.
Losing an arm happens a lot in stories in general. So uncreative people might copy what they see. The character they copied might not be an mary sue. You don't need to copy a Mary Sue, in order to be a Mary Sue. So I'm not going to list Mary Sue characters with missing arms. I'm just going to name a number of popular characters with missing arms, that uncreative people might be inspired by:
Luke Skywalker
Edward Elric (Full Metal Alchemist)
Aquaman
Shanks (One Piece)
Guts (Berserk)
Wei Shi Lindon (Cradle)
Jax (Mortal Kombat)
And that's all I can get on short notice. I'm sure there are other good ones I'm neglecting to mention. Losing a limb can be seen as a bad-ass quality. The idea that it's inherently bad, and nobody would think it's cool, is moronic. Sorry.
>animay
4 out of my 6 examples were written by westerners.
Reading comprehension
>Rand losing his arm isn't once portrayed as "badass" or cool at any point in the story. It's a fricking tragedy.
lmaaaao.
Rand losing his arm, sends him on a downward spiral of self-loathing that culminates in him nearly destroying Creation rather than trying to save it.
>I had so many good wanks with this arm, the world shall perish for this misdeed!
It's pretty clear that
hasn't read the books. Nobody could say that cripple Rand is edgy-cool. Rand becomes a pitiful basket case, held together only by the herculean efforts of his friends.
Pictured: The self-loathing, injured, emotionally damaged boy is having a schizoid moment. Totally not bad-ass or attractive or anything. Girls would NEVER want to frick this. Boys would NEVER want to be in his position.
>I wasn't listing mary sues with missing arms, it was just a list of random characters with missing arms!
have a nice day worm.
you haven't read KoD have you? yea its fricking awful, terrifying really since Min explains what he is doing, he just stays in the flame and void to ignore it, its gone nothing more to be done, its horrible you just want him to break down and have a good cry but he doesn't and their is nothing "cool" about it, its really disturbing
I haven't read the books in ages, what is the reason for none of the 100 channeling women that follow him or his boys from the black tower heal him?
Heal him from what? It's constantly hammered into your head that the wound he has in his side is not something that can be Healed and you can't Heal missing limbs in the first place.
I remember the side wound being unhealable from the forsaken sky battle over falmer, the arm I can't remember, is it lost in its entirety? I was thinking in my head it was just detached
>the arm I can't remember, is it lost in its entirety?
Cut off at the wrist, but it doesn't matter. Healing can't grow a missing body part back. The only thing that would've restored his hand would've been immediately balefiring Semirhage.
>The only thing that would've restored his hand would've been immediately balefiring Semirhage.
Noo you can't use le hecking evil laser attack
>balefire
good fricking point I mean Rand was so fricked up right then he couldn't have done it but Cadsuane could, and maybe should have, fricking caddy smug b***h
Did Cads know the weave? Balefire wasn't exactly common knowledge and as the reader our perspective is skewed because the ones who DO know it tend to be main characters.
shes old as frick and moraine already knew it, I suspect she did but who knows
Moiraine knew it because she had figured it out on her own from some ancient manuscripts or something else like that and it was very much a forbidden secret. It's not like you get taught balefire as a part of the Aes Sedai curriculum once you turn 200.
>forbidden secret
>cadsuane
>forbidden secret
now now, thats literally her whole life, she just never heard the prophecy like Moraine did, and now i'm going to post it because not including gitaras prophecy was a fricking travesty like everything in this shit show
>"He is born again! I feel him! The Dragon takes his first breath on the slope of Dragonmount! He is coming! He is coming! Light help us! Light help the world! He lies in the snow and cries like the thunder! He burns like the sun!"
maybe, moraine knew and idk maybe not but its caddy so she really should have, but knowing her even if she did she's got one of the top forsaken bound and shielded, and she was manipulating the seanchan as well from cadsuanes perspective thats just too good an opportunity to pass up
>if you bale fire the forsaken they win
she has the same philosophy of Justin Trudeau
I loved how he would casually frick with Cads after that incident. "Rand you cant do that with the One Power" He shrugs "I wouldnt use the One Power" and then not elaborate...top kek.
Good idea. Rand should have had an asha'man standing off to the side whose sole job was to watch rand and immediately balefire the situation if anything happened to him
narishma, who was as powerful as the average forsaken, should've taught him the weave and had him on stand by
>immediately balefire the situation
somebody sneezes and the asha'man immediately sweeps the entire room with balefire
teach narishma he wouldn't do that
Have to be pretty strong in the power to create balefire at all. Stronger balefire requires higher strength in the power. Logian is probably the only one on Rand's side strong enough to do it and reverse his arm.
you don't understand Narishma, he is on the level of the lesser MALE forsaken, which puts him in the top tier in the entire world stronger then any female, he is the male equivalent of alivia
>he is the male equivalent of alivia
Narishma is just behind Logain in power, so definitely top tier, but Alivia was a fricking anomaly and literally the highest tier possible for women.
yea true but what I was trying to say was he is equal or a little greater then most channelers and like alivia one of those side characters that a lot of casuals don't really get how strong they are
>detached
I think it's actually blown the frick up so there's nothing to reattach
ah Jeremy Renner'd, I see
correct he is holding the "dragon scepter" and then that happens, its one of the covers guys ffs
>dragon scepter
>tfw you will never steal the tip of an enemy spear and carry it around for so long without explanation that your sistermoms decorate it and start calling it a scepter
RIP my favorite stick you were so based
I miss Sulin, she was so fricking based
I've long figured that if I ever meet Brando in person the only thing I'll say to him is
>Why'd you forget about Sulin?
same
I'd give Graendal my dragon scepter
Nye does immeditly, of course she does, doesn't bring back the hand it just stops the blood loss, also so strong it kinda bring the dragon tattoo back a bit, but the hand is gone even Nye can't heal that, Min is being so gentle all of them are even cadsuane, its tragic, great scene and Semi snickering the whole time, its awful.
Semirhage fricked around and found out though
no wat? the whole hand scene is after they got her, she is shielded and gloating while this horrible shit is going on
He meant the scene where she makes Rand strangle Min and it ends with her getting balefired.
oh right yea that was satisfying, i'm not as good with BS as I am with the first 11+1
>hmm, today I will push the schizo past his breaking point by forcing him to repeat the sin his previous incarnation is still lamenting in his hallucinations
What's that? The 11th book in the series? I read it once like two years ago now. Forgot most of the contents. But some of it comes back when people describe events. I'll just take your word that it wasn't a cool moment. But if you have to search 11 books deep in order to find a character flaw, then that says something about the character. What about Book 1? Book 2? Hell, Eye of the World is 3x longer than any standard book. Rand must have a flaw somewhere in there. Aside from just being stubborn.
KoD is fricking awesome, didn't read any of the rest of your shit, frick off the flaws are their from 2 tgh you are so out of your depth, now go away kid adults are talking
>ignores the other flaws pointed out to him by anons throughout this thread
>ignores the other flaws shown in the books he claims he's read
>huh? only one flaw? well he's clearly a mary sue after all!
bye now you little c**t
You guys said that he's made mistakes due to his ego. I mean, sure. But that "ego" is really just him being stubborn like all other characters. I'm not going to argue that he's never made mistakes. Because he has. I'm only going to argue the cause of those mistakes. So far, all the examples of mistakes are due to stubborness/ego/whatever you want to call it.
But you haven't made a convincing case that being a schitzo is a flaw yet. You haven't made the case that loosing an arm is a flaw yet. You haven't made a case that being emo is a flaw yet. he just sounds like Shadow the Hedgehog when you put it that way. Like, Imagine Shadow losing an arm. It wouldn't make him any less a Mary Sue.
the things he did as a schizo are very fricked up its like you are just asking us to list them for you since you never read the books, stop asking to be spoonfed, we've given you plenty of examples, now go to my personal favorite
>Rand lounged on the Dragon Throne playing the flute while Lews wept
Mary Sues can do fricked up things. Nobody said a mary sue has to be pure.
>I won't refute anything you said
>instead I'll just say that I don't believe you
That isn't actually how debates work. You're such a pseud kek
you are talking such utter shit
>rand losing his had was badass!!!
>no it wasn't heres why
>uh I don't even remember that book haha
why don't you just go away? you really have no clue what you are trying to debate
No, I laughed at the hand thing, because I read the other anons reply to it, and it made me remember that it was bad-ass.
Rand being a stubborn bastard can be cool sometimes. Because it's the hero going against the established system. People like that shit.
FRICK OFF YOU homosexual
meant for
meant for
are you having a breakdown amazon employee? too much for you? cool never ever come back you moron
sorry, my finger slipped when typing the reply. I actually meant that for
how much are you getting paid to try and "troll" us? w/e it is its too much you fricking suck at this
>stubborn based can be cool
Flicker Flicker
Yoloing into Rhuidean
Callendor murders
Natrins Barrow
Entering dreamworld in the flesh
every time he saw a Forsaken he just yeeted himself at them instantly
These are examples of something being fricking stupid, and not thinking. They were not "cool" actions and often resulted in many deaths. For example, yeeting himself at Rahvin resulted in many people including Mat dying.
Rand not listening to others, and doing as he pleases, consequences be damned...is one his defining character traits and is present through the whole series. Flicker flicker happens because he thinks he can do and control something he doesnt know jack shit about.
>Rand not listening to others, and doing as he pleases, consequences be damned...is one his defining character traits
Not really. It happens a lot, yes, especially when he's just starting off, but he takes others' advice just as often and makes an effort to surround himself with experts. It's shit like Egw*ne who think he's constantly just doing whatever he pleases and not listening to anyone, but when you switch to Rand's POV he's constantly thinking back to lessons he got from Moiraine and being grateful.
>Guts as a Mary Sue
Now I know you jest.
I would never call Guts Mary Sue but after Golden Age Arc the manga is a coffee table book
Rand losing his arm isn't once portrayed as "badass" or cool at any point in the story. It's a fricking tragedy. You clearly don't know anything about Rand or even what a Mary Sue is. Why are you still posting?
Him losing his arm was directly because he wouldn't listen to the council of those around them, and stubbornly proceeded to do something stupid because he thought he knew better....that is not a Mary Sue at all.
Yes, that's what
is saying.
Rand loses an arm to arrogance and in no way is it portrayed as badass or cool.
>Rand does have many Mary sue symptoms.
You don't have any idea what a mary sue is.
>So this all boils down to Rand appearing a degree less special. Rather than being a level 99 Mary Sue, he's a level 97 Mary Sue.
No not really, it’s more that it dissolves and important theme of the book: that even after the most heinous deeds and our own deaths, we may find redemption through the fulfillment of fate and the deeds of good men.
The lives of the two men are contrasted as foils and counterparts but ultimately coexist and are symbiotic, the synthesis of the two is what sets Rand on his way to final fulfillment of fate.
The Dragon and the Dragon reborn are two superset halves of the same being which requires two ages to express itsef. This is fully in alignment with the Ying-Yang symbology and dualist themes of the entire series
People love to talk shit about WoT and how childish and cliche it is etc, but even its most basic themes sure seem to constantly fly over people's heads. And that's not even mentioning all the esoteric symbolism Jordan included.
Checked
What really draws most people to the series primarily due to its very thoughtful reflections on fate, freewill, and cyclical history. There really isn’t another series that really explores these themes in any serious way.
The character dramas are all just surface level filler
I think the world building is a significant draw as well. As tedious as it can be to read details about yet another pair of lace cuffs, that level of description builds a very detailed world. The world and its lore, what is possible, what is not etc feels very authentic and lived in because it is so painstakingly described. Once you get a firm grasp on the world, it really draws you into the story.
>more that it dissolves and important theme of the book:
Nah, it doesn't. You wrote a nice post and all. And I was almost convinced. But then I reread it like "hang on, this guy is being overly dramatic". That one name change does not dissolve the theme of the book. You're being overly sensitive.
>literally ad hominem
Truth be told I’m rather disinterested in the whole debate, I’m just pointing out how the subtle naming distinctions can alter our understanding of the more complex themes at play with most important character. If those themes aren’t interpreted and conveyed properly, the story will lose something important
In general, I'm inclined to agree with you. And if we could rewind time and fix that naming error, I would be all for doing that. But we can't. The error exists now, and so I look at it on a specific view, not the broad general view. speaking specifically in regards to this name, I don't believe it will harm anything about the duality of the Dragon. The important takeaway is that these two characters are unique. And that uniqueness can be conveyed without adhering to the strict labeling of "Dragon".
Hell, the first time I read the book, I thought Lews was called the dragon reborn too. The distinction wasn't clear to me until months later, when I was reading the latter books. Maybe I didn't think anything of it, because it sounds very similar to "Hitman Reborn".
You are like two standard deviations too dumb for this discussion.
I still don't quite understand why they even bothered to adapt WoT of all things. The themes of the book series run completely counter to the cultural zeitgeist, especially the whole male-female dualism that is baked right into the foundations of the cosmos. Any adaptation of WoT in the current year was always destined to butcher it. What's the point of pouring all those resources into making a TV show of a story where all the people working on it fundamentally disagree with the values and assumptions espoused by it? If the suits at Amazon were so desperate to fish for the next epic fantasy to become heir to GoT's success, why didn't they pick Malazan? At least Erikson is already a perfectly brainwashed male feminist, as befitting a leaf. He'd happily sign off on any changes which make Malazan conform even more to the zeitgeist.
That or Name of Wind, since Kvothe is the ultimate cuck.
Because its the next big thing after lotr and got. Thats it, they're banking on name recognition, they dont give a frick about the content of the books. Same with witcher and netflix
>I still don't quite understand why they even bothered to adapt WoT of all things
The true answer is: because they got the rights for cheap. After red eagle got sued over winter dragon they decided to license the IP to Sony just to get a show made, and Sony pitched to Amazon. I imagine the desperation to make a show just to keep the rights brought the price down and Amazon saw an opportunity to get a big IP show for relatively low price while also seeing an opportunity to build a big production studio in Czech and bury it in the show's budget.
>I still don't quite understand why they even bothered to adapt WoT of all things. The themes of the book series run completely counter to the cultural zeitgeist, especially the whole male-female dualism that is baked right into the foundations of the cosmos.
The only reason they're doing it is to troon out the story and make it "acceptable for a modern audience" ie rewrite and culturally vandalize the whole thing. It's just like Rings of Power with the multicultural hobbits and elves.
you are wrong its time to simply accept it
Or you could literally just admit you were wrong and move on.
If they were to go head to head, who would have the best tasting breast milk among the Forsaken, best would probably be Graendal and the worst would probably be the evil b***h that does the experiments.
Lanfear.
That's a good point, though Lanfear is a pretty doll, Graendal is basically a dairy cow.
for me it's Aran'gar's troon juice
>that is NOT a female!
Oh yeah I forgot about her, would dick down, besides he gets turned into a biological woman, would collar.
I hope you don't mean with an a'dam because your troon would die
If they made collars that can work on girls and stuff, I'm sure you could figure something out that would work.
The target was always more people who read some or all of Wheel years ago or are fantasy/genre fans but not familiar with Wheel. Which is a huge breadth of people.
Then where are they? Where is this huge breadth of people watching the Amazon show?
i refuse to believe that, if they were catering to the fans of the books they wouldn't stray so far from them, and honestly, insult them.
this is just a bunch of woke homosexuals taking a popular IP and trying to appeal to normies, it's another adaption abortion from nu-Hollywood
>uhhh dont you know, its supposed to be bad on purpose
I mean, surely AIs cant be worse than these fricks, just fire them
An Ai would probably find a way to keep it pozzed and closer to the source material.
>Yadda, yadda, yadda
Sex with Min, sex with Min plap plap plap get pregnant get pregnant urrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh
>it's shit on purpose
lot of that going around the slop trough these days piggy xisters...
>We made it bad on purpose as a joke
>we made it shit on purpose
I have won again, Lews Therin!
>it's not doing as we expected, but that's what we expected
I knocking up Aran'gar in his girl pussy gay?
I think it depends on whether or not you knew he was a dude before.
What if you knew he was a dude before you took his girl bussy to pound town and made him have your kids?
definitely gay
Well I counter that it gets less gay the more kids he gives birth to.
An interesting thesis. I'd love to hear more.
Well it's gay because there is a dude in there, but with dickings and breedings you'll override the dude in there, hard to say you're a man after you've given birth like 5 times.
Souls dont change gender...its always a male soul you cannot override that.
Maybe, but I think whatever the creator of the universe is that he'll probably forgive me after converting him to good with the power of pee pee.
Plus it would be hot.
but first time is super gay
Definitely gay. At that point it's too similar to that black mirror episode where the black dude turns into an asian chick in vr and fricks his friend. And since that's gay, so is this. It's just math.
Media Cope is some of the funniest shit ever I swear.
It's always the same
>Even though everyone is laughing at us and we have wasted a bunch of money here's how we are coping with it by saying we were pretending to be moronic all along
Genuine 12 year old behaviour
So has our guy Mat beat up Gawyn and Galad in the show yet?
Nah, those characters haven't even been introduced. We probably won't see that until next season.
I thought we had screen grab of a black Gawyn?
no that was just some bullshit some anon was trying to push, he was just a random warder
This shit wasn't profitable last year, so why would it be this year or is this just to "own the chuds", or some gay shit like that?
part of the agreement with red eagle mafia and sony was 3 seasons, they have to and they have to at least appear to be putting in effort or sony and the scam artists can sue them
>Showmidwit secondary gets his balls stomped on by book enjoyers
More enjoyable than the show at least.
> only troons are watching but that was the plan
Lews Therin is the dragon reborn and there is a dragon in every age.
We are all fools if we argue long enough.
>Lews Therin has been known by many names and titles. The Dragon, Lord of the Morning, Kinslayer and Hammer of the Light are a few of them.
Never once mentioned Dragon Reborn in anything Jordan wrote.
No he is not, and no there is not.
How would you like me dragon deez nutz across yo face? LMAO
GOT IM AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
>I thought I could build. I was wrong. We are not builders, not you, or I, or the other one. We are destroyers. Destroyers.
There have been 3 ages and by Lews Therins own words there have been 3 Dragons
7/10 I almost began typing a dissertation
>if you let your enemy kill you, you win
everyday i pray for the solar micronova to wipe out all technology.
Moggy would actually probably be the best Forsaken to keep as a pet though, the other women are awful, and as the anons explained, fricking Aran'Gar is gay.
you are right lets look at it
>lanfear
master manipulator, big nope
>Messan
don't konw too much about her but she was easily one of the most competent forsaken, nope
>grendal
big fricking nope she'd play the game for centtures and one slip up you are fricked
>semirhage
now this one is interesting as demonstrated by cadsuane her weakness is humiliation, so maybe but on the other hand she is just so fricking scary, so nope
>moggy
dear over confident dumb as bricks moggy, obviously its moghedien
Moggy is prideful and overconfident, but crumbles the second you have her beat, plus she'd actually submit, but not so much that she wouldn't b***h and grumble about her morning spanking.
exactly which is why in the end she's the only option
She'd also be the cutest to bend over your lap and spank, she'd sound pretty cute and get very pouty, but wouldn't be able to do anything because if you weren't moronic you'd have her collared somehow.
But Mogs is also the ugliest. Do you really want a 5/10 for a pet?
do you want to get flayed by semirhage instead?
god I wish that were me
>tortured an entire city to death
>forced them to torture each other
>even Lews is scared shitless of her above all other forsaken no-one ever wants to be taken alive by semirhage
think about that, Ishy Lanfear fricking Graendal and the No1 no-one wants to be captured by is Semi, your welcome to her m8
Maybe he likes to live dangerously, but she's honestly to dangerous to not like kill her and then drop her "dead" ass into an active volcano.
yea you immediately kill semirhage like no questions no discussion kill her
wimps
I wouldn't want to collar Semi, sorry senpai.
collar?
She's not that ugly, she's not like a sex goddess like most of them, but she's pretty for like any of the chicks of this age. Plus I like her personality, the part where she was collared in the books made it clear she'd be a great pet.
Also to add to that she's kinda gothy in appearance going by all the art of her.
She's described as "sturdy". Which either means thick, or it means wide. Most likely the latter, since her curves are never emphasized. I imagine her as having a big backed latina built.
Eh if she's fat I could probably fix that. Besides even if she were fat those Forsaken genes are too good to pass up.
>it's not myfault I'm fat!
lmao
You could probably cure Moggys fat with an all water and cum diet for a month or two.
Anon....you need help. Do you have any friends IRL you can talk to?
homie I have plenty of friends and even a decent paying job, let me enjoy the fricking like 1 day of the week I have off.
You're unwell.
Not any worse than anyone else here.
not him and you amuse me quite a bit, but lets be honest lad, your a little worse
I can live with that.
your alright anon, don't go to paaran disen tomorrow
Butthurt fatty who needs cum diet correction detected.
>her weakness is humiliation
Naw, that was just Mr. Rigney with a boner once again forcing bdsm dynamics into it
>the author said her weakness was humiliation
>nah thats just the author forcing
wat? huh? thats what all of it is ffs also that bit wasn't written by Rigney that was BS in TGS, Semirhage is captured end of KoD
>it's supposed to be bad and unpopular chuds
incels complaining about this show while hate watching it and making it get renewed
>t. actual reader who has never bothered to watch this dogshit
>making it get renewed
you really are clueless, bet you don't even know who Seda is
Seda never existed. Red Eagle mafia created the name to have a scapegoat for winter dragon
good lad, maybe we aren't so different after all
Torrenting the show doesn't make them money.
Also, they were shooting season 2 before season 1 aired. And they were shooting season 3 before season 2 aired. Whatever deal they made with Amazon, it included at least 3 seasons, despite what ratings they got.
The show made Lews Therin into the "dragon reborn" as well because TV viewers, as opposed to book readers, are too stupid to make the connection between "The Dragon" and "The Dragon Reborn". They had to rename Lews Therin to make the connection obvious, because the audience are mouth breathing idiots.
Prove me wrong. You can't, because this is literally why they made the change.
yes we know why it doesn't make it any less stupid
Honestly I think it was just a mistake and they're trying to save face by claiming it was deliberate.
Nah, they literally just don't understand the difference themselves. Rafe is on record saying how he thinks there's a dragon in every age and some of them were women. Stop giving him the benefit of the doubt, it's not some grand scheme to make necessary sacrifices to make sure dumb normalgays understand things properly, he IS the dumb normalgay and he doesn't know anything about what he's supposed to adapt.
>lan being a whimp who does nothing
>the homosexual warders being given so much screentime
>moiraine is objectively more evil than any darkfriend we've seen
>Lanfear and ishGAYel being friendly and having nice bants
>Siuan just wandering around outisde the tower with only 2 guards instead of a huge procession
>lanfear not encouraging rand to channel or even trying to manipulate him other than just getting some younger dick in a normal boring ass relationship
>not a single seanchan sounds like they're from texas
and ishGAYel being friendly and having nice bants
What are you autistic? There was heavy tension between them. And Lanfear states out loud that she plans to betray him. They couldn't have made their adversarial relationship more clear.
>>not a single seanchan sounds like they're from texas
Good
Imagine defending the poor decisions the show makes and then acting smug about it LOL
I just hate it when people make bad takes. You do your good criticism a disservice, by mixing it with bad criticism. Lanfear and Ishamael are not friendly. Saying that they are is plainly false, and makes you look like you don't understand social dynamics.
oh god lads I just realized a new ep is dropping today, I don't think I can do it again, its getting harder every time
You don't have to watch the show to shitpost about forsaken breastmilk and breeding/slavery
thats true but its funnier watching liane shitting on it when you've seen it plus playing the game of, "just how badly will they misunderstand and frick with the story this time" but really it is getting more painful with each ep
I haven't watched any of season 2 and I don't regret it.
good don't its awful as expected
I have won again, Lews Therin.
this is a fake headline you morons
Cinemaphile is truly the least intelligent board.
Nobody cares about nor is even discussing the headline.
It doesn't matter if it's fake or not. It's obvious from liberals behavior they think like this.
Also forced marriage with Mogs would be fun.
It's designed to flop on purpose!
>Whereas Lanfear was tall and beautiful with dark eyes and pitch black hair, Cyndane is short, if still pretty, with silver hair, blue eyes, and an impressive bosom
Lads I think Lanny 2.0 might be the hottest forsaken.
Indeed. I like short girls more than tall girls. And stacked too? Great combination. I'm glad Robert Jordan came to his senses
Robert Jordan has excellent taste
I like that he went out of his way to make a woman for everyone. He was a great man.
Yes he really did, there are girls that are tall with nice ass short ones with good ass, tall and big breasted, short and big breasted, vanilla girls, ones that like to be on top, ones that want to be on the bottom and even some that wanna make you fight for it. Truly a visionary with some bondage and other things that are noticeable, but still tasteful.
For me, it's Riselle and Setalle Anan
As if, they were hoping this would be the next Game of Thrones after that show ended. They tried to leap at the chance to fill that gap and capitalize on what they thought would be a fantasy book adaptation craze
The crazy thing, the fantasy book adaptation craze is dying due to lack of book adherence. Whether it be GoT no longer having a book to adapt. Or WoT purposely deviating from the books.
Yeah between this and Rings of Power they were very clearly hoping to fill the Game of Thrones void, and they botched both shows because they hired idiots who wanted to make political nonsense instead of adapt a fantasy series.
Damn she got walled hard! Sad.
>dreadlocks poo strands
eww
>brownoid with pit black eyes
I am vomit
Why must I see outrage about this clearly fake article every single day?
I've been trying to watch the new season but I just can't get through episode 2. I've been stuck at around halfway through it since the first batch of S2 eps was released. It's just so fricking bad and it has now diverged so much that you can't even justify watching by comparing it to the books.
It' horrible, but the books are worse.
How can cringe trashy writers like that dude succeed? Who the frick is the target audience for this shit?
please explain how the books are worse, and cite specific examples and scenes
season 2 is much better than season 1 which is a shame
>We expected it to do worse than we expected. It’s the core of our strategy.
This is cope of mythic proportions.
Where.... is.... the.... FRICKING NUDITY!!!
>he wants to see the actresses they hired nude
why make it worse for yourself anon?
ill take a gander under elaynes skirt if you catch my drift
Egg when and LAN fear and whatever the other two prostitutes are called might not be supermodels but they could be butter faces. This show is PG13 though so we'll never know -_-
There are way too many gay orgies in the show for it to be PG13.
wow, how brave.
death to rafe judkins
I guess you need to be as autistic as him to like WoT
>tfw no thicc forsaken gf
>according to experts
Remember when Cinemaphile wasn't screenshots of twitter, access media and tiktok all the fricking time? I remember
>/wot/ gets baited for 5 hours across 2 threads by someone who clearly hasn't read the books
A tale as old as time
shhh we just like talking about the books
Remember that time when Semirhage made a warder cum to death? Good times.
giwtwm
>his bonded Aes Sedai as it is going on
Moggy is the hottest forsaken because she would have the biggest and muskiest bush. I will not elaborate.
And why would you assume that?
when she had the aidam on nobody ever gave her permission to shave
Well I mean she eventually got out of it so maybe see shaved her cooch then.
Timid nerd who keeps to herself as much as possible + boring office job as a fricking investment advisor so not much excitement in her love life -> no need to groom herself. Dark hair so the hair texture and amount most likely support my guess as well. Musky from all that hiding in the shadows (no time to bathe).
>"I will not elaborate."
>Elaborates anyways
Bushposting is a time honored tradition in WoT threads.
i wasn't the original anon, it is just the thinking mans conclusion
STOP TROLLING ME
THIS IS MY THREAD, I LOVE THE WHEEL OF TIME MORE THAN ANY OF YOU COWARDS. HALF OF YOU ARE JUST NEW IDIOTS I'VE BEEN POSTING ABOUT WHEEL OF TIME FOR YEARS YOU'RE NOTHING BUT CASUALS. FRICK OFF.
we are all here calm down, the amazon employees are gone ok bud, walk in the light
You're a bit late anon. We've already used this thread up and left it breathless and covered in juices. She's all yours from here though, don't worry.
This was always my mental image for Verin appearance wise but with the clothes being more brown. The show "Verin" is not even remotely the same character.
Rand’s Theme:
Mat's theme:
(Actually gives a frick)
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It's genuinely funny as frick to look at Rand's madness during a reread. The fricker is literally thinking to himself that he's lucky he's not going insane like the voice in his head kek.
But that "voice in his head" was real and taught him how to do complex lost to time weaves. He wasn't crazy, lews was crazy.
I wouldn't mind you in my thread, if you weren't so clearly mad.
>taught him how to do complex lost to time weaves
That's not evidence for the voice being real. other characters spontaneously learn ancient lost weaves too, without any voice in their head. That's probably what happened to Rand too, except Rand was insane so he attributed the new weaves to the voice.
How did he recall events only lews would know?
thats b8, obviously we know its real
Fragments of stories he heard or read, with common schizo sense filling in the details well enough to impress people who were there.
The memories are real. The memories being presented by a separate personality in his head is madness.
because Lews told him, because he's insane and hearing his past life something that occurred in AoL and was almost incurable according to Semi, the beautiful thing of course is it was the DO who made it possible, Wheel always wins
>because he's insane and hearing his past life something that occurred in AoL and was almost incurable according to Semi
Semirhage was actually talking about hearing voices in your head, not accessing your past life memories. Rand is crazy because he hears "Lews Therin" talking to him, the emerging past life memories are a completely separate matter. Rand's madness just manifested in a new personality that contextualized those memories by giving them to his "previous incarnation".
>Semirhage was actually talking about hearing voices in your head, not accessing your past life memories.
no she wasn't she was talking about how its a real person and its way more fricked up then an imaginary voice jesus christ you are so clueless Rafe is that you?
Is this some kind of advanced shitposting?
are you moronic? that is literally the conversation they have in KoD's stop posting wiki homosexual
why are you being intentionally moronic?
meant for
uh no it wasn't it was meant for
just like I posted, you homosexual, is this your idea of gaslighting?
meant for
Its one soul. Becoming a mountain by seppuku + taint fricked him up. More taint in Rand only made things worse, until Rand had his epiphany and reintegrated the memories back into one personality. Afterword, he would refer to things Lews did as...things I did.
But the voice wasn't real, that's the whole point! Rand had Lews' memories and that fact was so shocking that his mind blocked it off and only let it in as a voice in his head thanks to the madness. Rand was fricking crazy, even RJ said so (he also said it was surprising to him that readers didn't pick up on his madness sooner thanks to how he wrote Rand's POVs kek)
Rand and Lews were effectively the same person, but Rand denied it for so long it made his madness worse. See: when he finally accepts it, he becomes ZenRand and can freely access Lews' memories.
Now I know you're thinking, but when did he get Lews' memories, as he clearly didn't have them at the beginning. Some people say he got them when he started channeling, but I think it's more specific than that. In TDR at the end, Ishmael/Ba'alzamon actually tries to destroy Rand's soul, and Rand feels something tearing inside him before it snaps back into as he escapes the attack. I believe that Ishy's half-baked attack merely broke down the barrier between lives and let Rand remember his past one. It's right after this in TSR that he starts to hear Lews' voice in his head. This is also supported by what other characters, namely Brigitte and Semirhage, say about souls and past lives elsewhere in the series.
But really I just wanted a chance to share this thought because it isn't discussed enough, so thanks. I've forgotten what post I'm replying to.
No I finally got to post it! Someone read and agree with my theory before the thread dies! Validate me you fricks I'm right I know I am
>Rand is a mary sue
Explain Rand raping Min then. Is raping tomboys something that mary sues do?
Never happened, schizo. Apologize for lying you piece of shit.
He forgot to ask her permission first
>after all these years there are STILL people who missed that Rand hearing voices in his head was madness
Fricking amazing. How can you miss this when Lews was dead and the soul is literally him? How could he possibly be in Rand's head as a distinct person? Jesus is everyone a fricking brainlet here?
To be fair Rand was really convincing in his chapters when he thought
>I'm not crazy. Not yet.
I totally believed it for like 3 books
An imprint of Lews was on Rand's soul. No matter how mad Rand was, he couldn't have known the what Lews taught him. Rand was reading the imprinted memories on his own soul.
But Rand, the man hearing voices in his head, concludes that he isn't insane. That means he isn't insane! When characters conclude something, that must mean that thing is actually true.