When did Burton lose his touch?
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When did Burton lose his touch?
When did Burton lose his touch?
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Planet of the Apes, although Big Fish was fairly decent. You can skip everything after that.
Planet of the Apes was what did him in. Before that he was A list.
Is not even that bad of a film.
never?
I refuse to believe anyone actually likes his Alice in Wonderland. Burton didn’t even come back for the sequel.
It was the first big movie to piggyback off the 3D hype Avatar created. That's the sole reason it made so much money and the sequel made barely any.
The 90s somewhere.
Willy Wonka will be the most common answer but I'd argue Mars Attacks! was the first time he made an absolute bomb of a movie.
mars attacks is very good
Yeah, but Mars Attacks is still distinctly a Burton movie with some soul.
It was but it bombed and it was likely the first time he had to deal with that sort of fallout or ego blow. After that he made Big Fish and then the real shit started churning out.
He made Planet of the Apes in between which is probably his most memory holed movie. Well, that and Big Eyes.
Mars Attacks was well liked. He lost his touch when he made every single movie w Johnnie Depp and Helena Bonham Carter no matter what it was
>shittalking Mars Attacks!
>Budget $70 million
>Box office $101.4 million
It's not shittalking to say a bomb was a bomb.
okay anon I understand now friendo
He didnt. We just got tired
He hasn't made a good movie in almost twenty years. His last six films have been Dumbo, Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children, Big Eyes, Frankenweenie, Dark Shadows and Alice in Wonderland.
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is when his movies became self-parody.
When more talented people stopped writing his movies for him and he resorted to remaking everything because “muh superior aesthetic”
In the 90s, Burton convinced a generation of teenage girls that damaged men were interesting and goth crap was cool.
They grew up and became disillusioned when damaged men just beat them or did drugs around them, and nobody thinks goth women are hot except for chubby chasers.
Goth slampigs are the superior pussy though
>watch the original frankenweenie short
>ugly, talentless, obnoxious sofia coppola is in it
>disappointment immeasurable, day ruined
I feel like studios can be blamed
Do you think it was his idea to remake all these classics, or was it the studio's idea? From the mid-2000s to very recently, grimdark was what was selling. Who better to remake fairy tale-esque material with a grown-up aesthetic than Tim Burton? So studios shelled out cash to get the guy, and then spent 0 dollars on securing anything else, and he delivered exactly what was promised: grimdark aesthetics and his name to be put on a marquee, all but guaranteeing some audience would be interested.
I'd say it's less that Tim became bad and more that the powers that be who were involved with the creation of these projects didn't bother throwing money or effort at any of the things that make a good film, regardless of who is at the helm. Burton is obviously a horrible sellout still but I bet he could still make a good film if he wanted.
what kind of madlad would try to remake willy wonka? It's like being asked to remake star wars, except willy wonka is actually good.
Considering the original movie was very different from the book there's grounds there for a new adaptation. His just wasn't very good.
Big Fish
I'd say after Big Fish.
What's the deal with Big Fish? I've always meant to watch it someday, on account of a girl I know telling me it's her favorite film of all time, and that it resonates with her deeply
I watched it tripping on acid ... was the only time I've seen it, but it was awesome at the time, was good acid though
That’s sort of interesting since it’s more of a father/son relationship movie. It’s got great lead performances, good visuals and a real tearjerker ending. Give it a watch.
Alright, I'll put it on my short list. Her recs rarely steer me wrong, so I shouldn't have put it off this long from the start
You will never inside that woman
You know that dude is punching air right now.
I accidentally your mom last night.
It'll make you want to call your dad after it's done.
It's a neat little take on a dad who told tall tales and lived a double life. It's like a happier version of Willy Loman, the characters are both traveling salesmen, except the dad in Big Fish doesn't embellish success, only his experiences.
It's his opus. It's not the most "tim burtony" movie but it's one where he was clearly trying to create something mature, and from the heart, devoid from the cynical irony of his other films.
It's got some neat cinematography and I agree with the other anon, most of the performances were great. It's a winner.
>Miss Peregrine's Home for Peculiar Children
what is it with that quirky fantasy-esque genre that has long titles? no more of that shit please.
His remakes (Alice, Wonka and probably Dumbo) are soulless and money-driven. Big Eyes otoh was ok.
For me it was the long period where he cast Johnny Depp into everything, then cast his wife Helena Bonham Carter opposite him, usually as a love interest, then self inserted himself as Depp and filmed his cuck porn
he never had it
he got lucky with mars attacks
nightmare before christmas and coraline werent even directed by him
addams family 1 and 2 are better than all of his films
Batman Returns and Edward Scissorhands were pretty good.
edward scissorhands is a chicc flicck
batman is lame
>he got lucky with Mars Attacks
Anon, Mars Attacks underperformed at the box office. You might recall he also directed an obscure little movie called Batman? It did okay.
I mean in terms of film quality
who gives a damn what audiences like, they're moronic
In that case, Ed Wood is his best film.
PeeWee's Big Adventure is the only kino Burton has ever laid his hands on. Before he got full of himself and INSISTED on his zany bullshit in every movie, regardless of setting
ed wood is the best burton movie you pleb
joe dante outdid burton
Matinee is so good. Gonna have to rewatch it soon.
Ed Wood manages to feel like a theatrical 50s soap opera that he nailed it both visually and thematically.
the first lgbtq film, no wonder you liked it
How do you figure? PeeWee had a loving and supportive girlfriend the entire movie and crushed puss regularly
He was eccentric but he wasn't a homosexual
Dotti was one of my first movie crushes. 10/10 qt wife material.
He was a loner and a rebel.
https://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/10/19/pee-wee-herman-the-man-who-championed-queer-identities-by-not-growing-up
>He was eccentric but he wasn't a homosexual
gaaaaaaaaaaaaay
>Takei, Pee-Wee's performer Paul Reubens refuses to discuss his sexuality, and the preferences of his alter ego have been just as ambiguous. His cinematic comeback, Pee-Wee's Big Holiday, turned heads with stronger hints on that subject: in the new movie, Pee-Wee fends off the unwanted advances of a series of women while pursuing a life-changing friendship with Joe Manganiello, who plays himself as a cartoonish paragon of masculinity
He had a tough guy friend and thought girls were icky because his entire character was arrested development as a 10 year old. Because that's the joke. Cope troon, peewee will never be trans
>peewee will never be trans
I always assumed he was a gay trying to get kids to see his peewee
i remember my dad being so mad at that shit. paul reubens goes into a porn theater....that is playing porn...and gets "caught" jacking off to the porn in the porn theater. like why even have these theaters
Had nothing to do with him jacking off in a porn theater and everything to do with him being PeeWee Herman. Would have just been a fine with no jail time if it was anyone else but this is a weirdo who has a tv show for little kids.
I think his infamous mugshots damaged his reputation more than anything. It was basically the first time the general public had ever seen him not in character as Pee Wee and he looked like a creepy pedo.
He looks like a regular guy in the 2002 one. In the 90s mugshots he looks like the depressed bassist for a grunge band.
>weirdo who has a tv show for little kids
who is surprised?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Reubens#2002_pornography_arrest
>Los Angeles
today he would get the key to the fricking city and a plaque
if you watched peewee, you are gay
https://screencrush.com/pee-wee-herman-queer-big-holiday/
I've seen the rest but not recently enough to rate them and a few could probably go for a half point adjustment.
Basically everything after Edward Scissorhands was crap with only a few rare exceptions like a nightmare before Christmas (which he only wrote) and Ed Wood. I think he just burnt out. I’d like to see more claymation stuff and original story ideas. Instead he just like keeps redoing Disney type of shit but just making it weird and dark but in a cheesy way and with too much cgi.
I think Tim Burton and Sam Raimi both share the same problem. They’ve seemingly forgotten how to make a movie that doesn’t cost 200 million.
>They’ve seemingly forgotten how to make a movie that doesn’t cost 200 million.
That money isn't going to launder itself.
Decline happened after Sleepy Hollow. After Sweeney Todd was the end