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not my heckin animoo pencil sketch!!!!!!
>*goes bankrupt*
Is Cowboy Bebop worth the hype? I watched the first two episodes and literally nothing happened. Does it get better later?
It's episodic shit all the way, if you didn't like those it's not for you.
So the same as all shitty japanese cartoons
Got it
Please name 10 great non-episodic TV shows.
It's a show about bounty hunters working to be able to eat. If you didn't like those two first episodes, you're probably gonna hate the rest.
if you cant kick your feet up and engage some space noir, it wont get any better for you. sure things come to more heads and get climactic at points, but you gotta earn those. go on adventures with the characters.
I say watch until episode 5 at a least. But it does remain episodic, if that is a problem to you.
it has unrelated episodes that thinly follow an arc that becomes more of the focus later as the show progresses. it is both episodic with an overall plot, which I won't spoil. it's a great show.
Episode 1 is fricking kino, you already got filtered, turn back.
>worth the hype
No
But it's still very good
It didnt do it for me. Samurai champloo on the other side is one of my all time favorites.
Space dandy is very hit and miss if you dont like that kind of humor, but it is very much worthy for some true kino episodes
no, watch lucky star again instead
All style, minimal substance. the main story, told over like 4-5 episodes is just a general marriage if 90s japanese crime movies with american crime fantasy
>A unique, flashy, stylistic take on one of the coolest subgenres of fiction
Sounds awesome.
then watch it. im not saying it's bad. it just lacks substance. still an enjoyable watch.
what do you mean by substance here? it has great character moments. what are you looking for from it
All the best stuff comes in the second half of the series.
If you're an ADHD riddled zoomer you're just not going to get it, sorry
I remember watching until episode 6 when Vicious nor his throwing Spike out a window wasn't mentioned and they went back to some other bounty chase.
I thought the same when I saw the first episodes, almost dropped it, but it got really good after the third episode or so
I grew up with it (the superior dub) so it's always been comfy and nostalgic to me. The movie is excellente too.
>OH NO, THEY COVERED UP SOME DOODLE
The reason it was drawn on a wall was that it wasn't meant to last forever. Only a manchild would get upset by this.
It's representative of larger issue, midwit.
Explain to us what the larger issue of a cartoon studio is.
NTA but
>destroy art
>create feces
but you’re probably trans or whatever so you probably think that calart kid belongs doodled huge on the ceiling of the Vatican
>people just fricking around and drawing shit on a wall that 99% of people won't see is the same as vandalizing the Vatican
Lmao
It’s a slippery slope to that which we’ve been sliding down for years. I don’t get what you’re even trying to defend here, careless people being ignorant?
>It’s a slippery slope
concession accepted
>Why can’t we dump flame moronant into the ocean? It’s already flooded with DDT anyway who cares!
Yeah you’re a demented troon, thanks for ousting yourself.
to keep it from catching on fire would be my guess sir
At this point, saying something is a slippery slope isn't even a logical fallacy. It's essentially so provably correct it should end the argument.
Who gives a shit about some pedo factory?
We both know im not talking about the cartoon studio.
You fricking nerd.
Drawing over your favorite transexual gateway cartoon is in no way shape or form like defacing the Sistine chapel.
Get a grip.
Please, I bet you’d leap at the chance to vandalize the Vatican.
Nah.
But I just don't give a shit about some random doodle being drawn over.
People talk about media literacy, but what about actual literacy?
You might not have said it but you do belive that.
*beliEve
See, this is what I mean.
I will take your reducing yourself to pointless pedantry as an affirmation.
You do belive that.
I don't need to believe you are illiterate, you demonstrated it.
wait wait wait wait hold up hold the frickin phone. is the sistibe chapel n the vatican the same frickin thing? ill accept whatever insult i just didnt know
no
...the larger issue of people doodling over other people's doodles?
Yes.
He probably means the issue of talentless, mindless diversity hire federally regulated morons inserted into media institutions and ruining them, encapsulated by the troony scribbling over the Bebop drawing.
>He probably means the issue of talentless, mindless diversity hire federally regulated morons inserted into media institutions and ruining them, encapsulated by the troony scribbling over the Bebop drawing.
Correct.
I completely understand how a non-art-person would see even a sketch as a secret relic worth preserving no matter what.
Truth is, to people who do this shit daily and continuosly, a doodle is basically negligible and worthless, something that they do mindlessly and on repeat, and the fact that it is going to be covered up whenever by whomever with whatever is no concert for them, and exactly the point of the starway of which they are aware the moment they make their contribution.
Anything on those walls was supposed to be discarded at covered up at some point. The fact that it was an intern doodle is inconsequential.
That said, the intern was kind of an butthole too. I'm sure there were other places to put another sharpie doodle, you do this shit on purpose.
Yeah, some people don't realize that the person has probably doodled this shit a thousand times over and over. Getting butt blasted and acting like someone painted over the Sistine Chapel is an overreaction.
Speaking of, a simple sketch from Michaelangelo sold for over 200k.
A complete nothing that he probably did thousands of times.
Imagine how much it would be worth if someone had scribbled over it a decade after he made it.
>but this is just some wall sketch worth nothing
It is now. Guess we'll never know what it could gain in value over time.
The "art-people" do this all the time.
People are able to sell random garbage all of the time simply because it's associated with a notable thing or person. Your point?
Two points:
>a non-art-person would see even a sketch as a secret relic worth preserving no matter what
This is backward. It is the art world that artificially and insanely inflates value due to history and the people involved.
>Anything on those walls was supposed to be discarded at covered up at some point.
This is part of the reason WHY it was so special. That everyone knew and honored it enough to NOT cover it up. They saw a moment in history, not a random sketch.
The intern that drew over it had no such appreciation, and that shows in the work they do.
Another throwaway doodle. This one sold for around 8k.
Though Dali may not be a good example, as he knew of this trend and exploited it.
He would pay people in checks, and then draw a quick sketch on the check because he knew people wouldnt cash them in, hoping the sketch would eventually be worth more.
Dali was such an awesome troll.
>This is backward. It is the art world that artificially and insanely inflates value due to history and the people involved.
"Non-art-person" meaning somebody who can't draw and/or doesn't scribble stuff on the regular. To them (me included), any kind of drawing like that is kind of a magic trick, something precious and irrepeatable. To people who do that constantly, it is nothing.
>"Non-art-person" meaning somebody who can't draw and/or doesn't scribble stuff on the regular.
Still wrong, as evidenced by the YEARS that sketch went undisturbed.
Your position is that the people with the most understanding have the least appreciation, and that is stupid.
>The artist didn't intend for that shit to exist forever.
Irrelevant. The fact that it was MEANT to be some throwaway from someone so respected makes it special.
>You don't know what was going through the mind of the person that drew it.
I know what WASNT going through their mind, which is what went through the mind of every other artist in that building that decided not to cover up a moment in history with shitty marker.
You prove my point. The inherently transient nature of them is what makes the preserved ones so valuable.
>he was noted for his hatred of how people would try to buy and sell his sketches
No one was trying to buy or sell the sketch on the wall. Only preserve it.
My point with price is that there is value in that preservation, and most people online can only understand value through money.
>You prove my point. The inherently transient nature of them is what makes the preserved ones so valuable.
Yes, but I also proved the other anon's point - artists don't value their own work as much as other people do.
>artists don't value their own work as much as other people do
That wasnt the point they were making, and if that is your point then you are 100% wrong.
You could maybe be right if you change that to "sketches", but "dont value their art" is even more moronic than other anon.
don't value their own work as much as other people do
>That wasnt the point they were making
>I completely understand how a non-art-person would see even a sketch as a secret relic worth preserving no matter what.
>Truth is, to people who do this shit daily and continuosly, a doodle is basically negligible and worthless
>Irrelevant. The fact that it was MEANT to be some throwaway from someone so respected makes it special.
Why should anyone give a shit about what some manchildren think is special? Still doesn't negate the fact that it wasn't going to be there forever, nor did the artist plan on it being there for very long.
>I know what WASNT going through their mind, which is what went through the mind of every other artist in that building that decided not to cover up a moment in history with shitty marker.
BUTTTT what if that marker art ends up being valuable to someone?!?!?!?!?!
>what some manchildren think
You keep trying to insist on this strawman and it is wrong. It shows what the artists at CN think.
>what if that marker art ends up being valuable to someone?!?!?!?!?!
Who drew it?
>their own work
>a sketch
>You could maybe be right if you change that to "sketches", but "dont value their art" is even more moronic than other anon.
>You keep trying to insist on this strawman
Because it's true. Not even the original artist would give this much of a shit about it.
>Who drew it?
Doesn't matter who did. According to you, the fact that it has value to someone, makes it worth protecting and admiring. Even if it's just some shitty quick doodle like the Spike one
>It is the art world that artificially and insanely inflates value due to history and the people involved.
Not exactly. Any person will find value in something simply because a notable person was involved, even if it is just garbage that would be largely forgotten about anyways. The artist didn't intend for that shit to exist forever.
>This is part of the reason WHY it was so special. That everyone knew and honored it enough to NOT cover it up. They saw a moment in history, not a random sketch.
You don't know what was going through the mind of the person that drew it. To them it could've just been another random sketch.
When Bach died, a majority of his music was sold as scrap paper and used to wrap meat for butchers.
It's funny you bring up Michaelangelo because he's famous for trying to burn as many of his sketches as he could before he died.
During his life he was noted for his hatred of how people would try to buy and sell his sketches, he didn't even want people to see his sketches and got in a fight with his father over him showing other people his work.
To be fair, the cowboy bebop guy signed his work in kanji. If you're not intimately familiar with anime, it's very reasonable that you simply wouldn't know the drawing was made by anyone other than another random intern like you. It's not like it's some amazingly high quality or stylized thing that only he could have drawn.
>If you're not intimately familiar with anime
it's surface level anime that was aired and rerun on Toonami and Adult Swim, it's not some fricking obscure thing.
Right, so literally anyone watching toonami would have been able to replicate that exact thing. I meant intimately familiar to know the name and kanji of it.
open paint and draw it now. if anyone can do it, you can do it too
I meant any real artist that would be getting a job at CN as an animator, not literally anyone, you pedant.
I don't know in what world an animator, intern or not, working at CN would not know about Cowboy Bepop. It aired repeatedly from 2001 to 2015 on CN through Toonami and Adult Swim. Any fan of the art of animating has seen it because it's amazing.
I mean, they might not know what the kanji for the artist's signature is.
I think common fricking courtesy would be not to draw over someone else's signature.
This was on a doodle wall where the entire fricking point was to draw over the shit other people drew and it was repainted every year with each new intern batch.
It's the fact that some upstart Calarts homosexual thought his generic blobface slop was more important and impressive than the artwork of the character designer of one of the most acclaimed cartoon series of all time and a defining intellectual property that cemented the company's identity while it was finding its footing. The actual sketch is unimportant. The ego of the gay who drew his own shitty art over it is what's insulting.
It's almost like material things are ephemeral and not meant to last forever and, like it or not, for better or worse, the world always gets passed on to the next generation. Curious!
No one expected a wall mural to last forever. No one expects you to last forever, either. Does that mean I can just take a piss on you now, before you even die? No, really though. May I?
>muh calarts
Remember this shit isn't real, Lion King, Toy Story and Samurai Jack were made by calarts students.
How would you rate the average graduate from Harvard 30-40 years ago versus the average graduate from the past 10 years?
Most modern graduates working on cartoons aren't from Calarts anyway.
It was unironically my childhood, about 1990-2010.
weebs btfo
>h-holy Hideaki, this is sacrilege
Based intern.
Burn down pop culture.
Mass entertainment was a mistake.
Wait, when did 'episodic' become an insult?
When the golden age of tv started
August 18th 2022?
I’ve always thought “episodic” shows sucked, I like continuity and plot or else what’s the point. I really got turned off of X-Files because of this but X-Files is still good although I do skip around when I rewatch. Never heard anyone say anything good or bad on Cinemaphile about “episodic” shows until this thread tho.
Funny because the X-Files is best when they are investigating random cases. The alien plot is kind of bad specially as the series progresses
I need a story to get invested in. I can't just watch the characters do random shit. Especially not in a kid's show.
I mean it's all pointless in the end anyway. None of this shit really happened and none of those people exist. Why does it make it feel better for you if this 20 minute waste of time informs the next 20 minute waste of time? All that means is that you wasted 40 minutes on one thing instead of 20 minutes on two things each.
Zoomers need a gay franchise with 50 spin off shows and 12 difference Funko! collections to be committed to instead of a personality. If the story is over in one episode - their whole identity is over - they suffer ego death and die.
wtf are you talking about huge universe franchises is a israelite thing that literally no one wants, and episodic shows suck but they seem more appropriate for zoomers who don’t watch TV either way and instead watch 5 thousand 7 second long tiktoks
See, this zoomer watch two episodes of Cowboy Bebop, suffer ego death and forgot HE is a zoomer and that thje modern non-episodic shows that HE likes are made for HIM. He is doomed to wander the Earth listlessly, his perception nothing but a misty indiscernible haze, until Amazon announces Fallout season 2.
So true
when we all decided that a show can only be HBO drama levels of deep or part of some fricking multiverse
When you were a kid. Then you grew up.
That's only true because the shit I liked as a kid genuinely was way fricking better than what we're getting today and it's not even a contest.
1945
Generic answer but Avatar The Last Airbender is when it peaked
The 2000s
What show? Looks so familiar
my gym partners a monkey
Golden age was 50s with Fleischer.
Silver age was 90s with Nicktoons.
This, except the 90s was the golden age and the 50s was the silver age. Old hollywood is waaaaay over-idolized. Yes, the newer stuff doesn't exist without the older stuff, but that doesn't retroactively make the older stuff better. The stuff from the 90s is just better in every way.
Gold and silver age arent really about quality. They are a time of great innovation and proliferation, and gold/silver/etc are marked by time.
Calling the 50s the Silver Age would be like calling it World War 1 before you knew there would be a second.
Oh, well then I stand corrected.
Whenever Sam and Max had a cartoon.
Cowboy Bebop at his wall
2018-2023. So many kino shows.
i only know of this girl from korean "porn" artists. idk what show but i have seen her insides and every kind of fluid :/
Her name is Hilda and she's from the show Hilda based on the children's book series Hilda.
>Her name is Hilda and she's from the show Hilda based on the children's book series Hilda.
I'll never remember that.
She's 11 you sick frick.
out of ten
Remember when Netflix and Dreamworks pumped out like a half dozen amazing cartoons and then just stopped? What was up with that? Did Dragons ever end?
Voltron wasn't that good tbh. Pidge a cute tho.
There is an over-arching plot in Cowboy Bepop, it's just that the story is told in a non-newtonian way
Everything about this is so funny. The ugly face, the smug expression like she knew exactly what she did
it hasn't peaked yet
they're doing 3D beanmouths now, who knows what they will do next
designed by israelites
As far as quantity and quality, it's the 90s into the 00s. We were outside of the toy cartoon era but still cartoons were getting large episode orders and we had a variety of them. I think in terms of storytelling, cartoons peaked in the mid 00s. This era has fewer shows and past shows occupy a good portion of the industry. Stuff that's 20 plus years old is still relevant and in zombie form. These shows are way past their peak. There's maybe one cartoon a year that I find appealing whereas when I look up 90s cartoons, I still find some old gem that looks interesting. I try not to let my nostalgia cloud my judgment but it's hard to ignore the reality of how things are now. I try to give some new show a chance like Invincible or Pantheon. They're merely fine. I don't think we will ever get back to the output and variety of the late 90s.
>have a wall for the express purpouse of people doodling shit
>man doodles shit
>someone doodles shit over it
>original design for the ching chong cartoon the former doodle depicted is safely squirrelled away in ching chong land
>but children's cartoons have nevertheless fallen
CalArts intern be like
>I'm just adding my contribution! It's honoring him!
whoever drew that did nothing wrong
when white men illustrated cartoons
They peaked with these digits.
Ya blew it.
Also, that's the show with the lesbians, isn't it? I haven't watched it yet. Are they good lesbeans like Mysticons or lame lesbians like Steven Universe?
They're good. Just a really wholesome couple. No pointless drama or anything. Fun show overall.
Alright, I'll add it to the list.
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEE
NOT MY HECKIN' DOODLERINOOOO
Jesus man, I can understand if it was a painting or a photographed picture or something, but shit was in some bathroom stall in some shithole. The author probably didn't give it much though, if it looked cool, yeah maybe I'd care, but that shit is just some pencil drawing in a wall.
And this is why leftists will always suck at art.
>it was just some old statue who cares lol
>now look at this giant dildo
>Immediately, for no reason, resorts to directionbrain tribalism
American detected.
>directionbrain tribalism
Why are you trying to pretend like politics and art aren't intertwined? Fence sitters really are just worthless sacks of shit.
Boy, I sure love turning every thread into a random political discussion.
Maybe r*ddit is more your speed.
>I need to justify my habit of bringing up leftists out of nowhere
Lol.
wow you really are the directionbrain meme
Do they ever found who did that?
Yes, xhe is posting in the thread as we speak.
>all these seething Cinemaphilemblr replies
Why has Cinemaphile been so angry about anime recently?
I wouldn't say it's the peak but the last good year was 2005.
Are you morons still pretending to be mad about this? At least sperg about it on the proper board.
I remember when 40 years old manchildren were mad about that new Thundercats cartoon aimed at 7 years old kids.
Is there anything more pathetic than manchildren having a mental breakdown over cartoons?