This film causd an uproar, people couldn't believe this came from a guy who made Colonel Blimp. Age of Consent was a bit risque as well, maybe Pressburger was keeping his perversions under wraps.
>Presented an idealized version of the world
such as casablanca's nazi-infested 1942? >unlike my capeshit where i can fantasize about kicking other people's ass with my superpowers!
conflict in movies back then was about personal drama not about hulk smash
>every movie has a beginning, middle and ending. im so much smarter than everyone else, whittling down film making and storytelling into a one-dimensional perspective.
You go through life, doing as little as possible. You leech off of good, hardworking shitposters like me. You're what's wrong with Cinemaphile anon. If you baited on any other board, you would've starved to death from lack of attention a long time ago.
the overreaction starting in the mid 60s to the happy-but-bland movies of the 50s meant almost everything that came out in the 70s was a grimdark slog with shitty downer endings, which is why manic-depressive Redditors love them so much
>The Best Years of Our Lives was a relief after the way
Movies were just as hard hitting and gritty back then. A lot of people who think movies back then were sunshine and rainbows don't actually watch movies from back then except for It's a Wonderful Life
There are very few people here that know anything about movies, it's almost all capeshitters. Maybe 1 in 100, and I'm being generous, even know who William "99-Take Willie" Wyler is.
You're an actual moron if you think that. Not watching movies before 1970 is arbitrarily depriving yourself of kino for no reason. If you like 70s films then there will 100% be 60s films you enjoy.
>anything but nitty gritty cynical documentarianism isn't real
There's more truth in the archetypal stories told by Golden Age Hollywood than New Hollywood's celebration of misery and decay masquerading as enlightenment.
I've been meaning to watch Powell and Pressburger's flicks for ages. I've only seen About A Matter of Life and Death. And thought it was great. Beautiful. This week, I'll try to go A Canterbury Tale, Black Narcissus and The Red Shoes.
It was when auteur theory really took hold in Hollywood. Before, it was the studio system and filmmakers were mostly just work for hire. They were given a script, a shot list, and told to execute the studio's vision.
The modern franchise films from Disney, Warner Bros, and the like are a semi-return to the studio system, but audiences are starting to turn on this as these big budget blockbusters are bombing more and more at the box office.
Protip to zoomies: the Hays Code didn’t kick in until the 30s and a lot of silent films are dark and fricked up if you have the patience to watch them (lol, lel, rofl). Examples include Faust, Cabinet of Dr Caligari, Dante’s Inferno and many more.
Well that's just a fricking lie. I can name quite a few movies from at least the 1960s that I enjoyed.
Psycho (1960)
Cape Fear (1962)
The Birds (1963)
The Pink Panther (1963)
Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? (1966)
Point Blank (1967)
Cool Hand Luke (1967)
Jacque Tati's "Playtime" (1967)
Barbarella (1967)
The Odd Couple (1968)
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
Bullitt (1968)
Oliver! (1968)
Midnight Cowboy (1969)
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969)
Not because they've been hailed as classics, but I enjoyed the camera work, or the wry dialogue, or the chemistry between actors. There's films I don't like, too. The Producers, for instance. It's one of the most desperate movies I've ever seen.
Yojimbo, Seven Samurai and then their American counterparts A Fistful of Dollars, For a Few Dollars More, The Good the Bad and the Ugly and The Magnificent Seven.
Good movies from the '70s and earlier stand out so starkly from average movies of their era. If the only old movies you watch are classics, you have no idea how boring and sloppy most old movies were.
only true kino rose above the trash standards of the era they were made in. but post 1970s the studio system was strong and codified enough to make even the most average slop heaps better than its pre 1970s counterparts.
You know what were so awash in post-post-irony that maybe something you call “naive” is more human than you give credit for
I saw this dumb horse movie from 1943 at midnight on TCM last year and teared up. Was it all those things OP? Yeah. That doesn’t deride the pathos of the movie one bit
Something Ive noticed from older movies is they almost always wear their passions on their sleeve – theres a virtue in its simplicity that we’ve lost
Movies after 1970 are better because that's when they started showing pussies. Technically I think they were allowed to after '68 but you don't really start seeing pussies until after '70, which is mainly what I watch movies for
This is precisely when film peaked. It was downhill after Star Wars created "blockbuster" movies. This precisely happened with William Friedkin's Sorcerer came out and was panned.
1970's American Cinema is the peak of all cinema. Second is German Expressionism.
The real good stuff started in the 60s but there was still a mix of the old and new styles. Prior to the 60s there's still some good stuff but it's overwhelmingly very theatrical, written more like stageplays.
I haven't seen any black & white movies outside of Marx brothers movies and Laurel & Hardy movies. It was what the state channel aired. They aired other black & white movies too, but I was too young and it looked kinda boring.
Is someone gonna tell this guy that multiple films outside israelite Wood existed in Europe and Russia too, and especially had a explosion in the 60s in latin America and Asia? >They were made by israelites too
Oh yeah sure all films made before YouTube are israelite controlled.
Audiences were way smarter back then. Theres a reason you saw more book and theater adaptions before the 70s. Some were definitely watered down but audiences came to expect that. You were also dealing with subjects for the first time in the film medium so of course many movies were working out how best to depict something. Movies now have a benefit of a century of learning by other filmmakers. That being said, those filmmakers early attempts are more interesting to watch than those who stole their ideas and in their own way watered them down.
I would also give an example of the yin and yang of this so called naivety. One of my favourite movies is pic related. Its about two people who meet and fall in love but keep their past lives secret. One is a soldier with ptsd and the other is a prisoner let out to visit family for a short period. The way these subjects are dealt with is melodramatic and exaggerated to some extent. That being said, melodrama is way of blowing small things up so we can see the effects that it has on our characters and the people around them. i think its a valid method of storytelling that exposes the human condition just as well as those more realistic films of the 70s. It also reaches a wider audience because all the emotions are on display and easy to understand. A complex painting can be commendable but not interesting to look at. A simple one can catch you immediately and make you see things in a different way.
call me a pseud but if you cant watch movies made before the 70s then youa re missing out the greatest movies in cinema history. The 70s are basically the post modern period where its just the comment on the previous generations. YOu are missing the meat and potatoes of cinema.
Depends on your interests. I would look at the hammer catalogue for an introduction (horror of dracula, the mummy, the devil rides out). You also have great supernatural and atmospheric stuff like the innocents and the haunting. Cult items like Carnival of Souls. I really love the universal monster movies too so see what character you interested in (i like frankenstein and creature). YOu then have the really expressionistic stuff from europe and its counterpart in america. The thing you have to remember is that horror movies depicted horrific or ghoulish characters and situations back then. Thats why you had creepy castles and deformed characters. There is a deliberate camp factor to many of these because the filmmaker is having fun with the setting.
No the 70s was just an era where people became cynical and sincerity died
The reason you think this is because that's how you are too and I pity you for that
Only a True Midwit would pay actual money to attend a movie - an entertainment form specifically designed to take one out of their everyday reality and give them a respite from the slings and arrows of Life - and then cry and whine that it wasn't "realistic" enough.
It is somehow fitting that such people are forever miserable and unable to feel joy.
70's were my least favorite decade for movies because they were so scuffed.
Don't misunderstand though since I rarely consider anything made after 2010 watchable.
picrel is my favorite 30's movie
as for the 80's there's too many good movies to mention
Isn't this film just propaganda?
don't really care since my country isn't affected either way the propaganda of this movie goes
I like it cuz it's a good example of how to make kino while still following the Marxist DEI requirements of current Hollywood like Sicario.
70s movies were actually pretty shit, pseudo arthouse mental masturbation that ran from 30 minutes too long.
Even the good movies from the time, like Rocky, are somewhat like this.
70s movies are too artsy and too politicial - by design, but I dislike it. Also I'm just saying what everyone is thinking, most people are afraid to call 70s shit out for fear of being considered plebs and rubes.
70s movies were actually pretty shit, pseudo arthouse mental masturbation that ran 30 minutes too long.
Even classics from the time, like Rocky or Taxi Driver, are somewhat like this.
Everything changed in 1992
>Everything changed in 1992
Yea I was born
more like 82
KWAB WAS KWABED IN THE KWABBING SUMMER OF '92
wtf i was born too
>Casablanca or On The Waterfront are naive
If you are a gen z zoomer who thinks imsodeep then just say so
>Casablanca or On The Waterfront are naive
yes
u r gay
Casablanca is a propaganda film and terrible.
The guy getting away with killing the nazi at the end is definitely naive
Define "naive" in this context.
Presented an idealized version of the world without realizing that doing so divorces any message from reality unless that is part of the commentary.
>Presented an idealized version of the world
You mean a world that was mostly white, Christian, low crime, and not filled with woke feminist trash?
Can you tell me what's "naive" or "idealized" about the world depicted in this movie? Do mentally ill men kill hookers in an ideal world?
israeli movie
It's from before 1970, doubt you've even watched it.
Try watching it first, zoomer homosexual
This film causd an uproar, people couldn't believe this came from a guy who made Colonel Blimp. Age of Consent was a bit risque as well, maybe Pressburger was keeping his perversions under wraps.
No. Mentally sound men do.
t. rambling psycho
>four words
>rambling
yes
>Presented an idealized version of the world
such as casablanca's nazi-infested 1942?
>unlike my capeshit where i can fantasize about kicking other people's ass with my superpowers!
conflict in movies back then was about personal drama not about hulk smash
>this homosexual hasn't seen Port of Shadows, or State Secret, or The Third Man, or...
You should watch some movies made before 1970 to see if that's true!
Proudly ignorant dolts already KNOW everything though. He's fan sure there was nothing of quality pre 1970s. Who are we to argue with a moron?
are you implying that movies in the current year are bucking this trend?
There are shitloads of films prior to the 1970s that are the opposite of this. The 1960s in particular is absolutely chock-full of them.
I bet you think Game of Thrones is faithful rendering of human psychology
Isn't it hard to breathe with your head so far up your ass?
You are 14 years old, tops.
>one wonderful Sunday is an idealized vision of the world
devoid of communist cynicism
They weren't about how opressed Black folks were
>12 angry men
>before 1970
>apparently unwatchable
ok moron
>12 angry men
boring liberal fluff
>liberal fluff
sure
>boring
you sound like a Tarantinogay
>Tarantinogay
he's a hack now
hasn't made anything good since pulp fiction
Jackie Brown is equal to his best
Watch some pre-Code and non-American movies. Unrealistic and naive don't equate to bad either
Yeah, Casablanca, The Good, The Bad and The Ugly, 12 Angry Men, Psycho, and many others were boring.
12 Angry Men was trash and I'm tired of pretending it wasn't.
>unrealistic
Not a flaw. The fact you equate realism with quality makes you a turbo pleb and irrelevant. Stopped reading here.
Name one realistic movie.
For me? It's Dr. Perky. And I imagine her as perky breasted female dr
I was just about to ask, thanks anon. Where do you stand on Mr. Pibb?
He's talking about the original, homosexual.
I was about to write that you frick
literal low IQ hivemind
>every movie has a beginning, middle and ending. im so much smarter than everyone else, whittling down film making and storytelling into a one-dimensional perspective.
zoomer cope
Battleship Potemkin is the greatest film ever made and it was in 1925.
You go through life, doing as little as possible. You leech off of good, hardworking shitposters like me. You're what's wrong with Cinemaphile anon. If you baited on any other board, you would've starved to death from lack of attention a long time ago.
>non-midwit IQ
irony
you are a child.
T. doesn't have the attention span to watch and appreciate 30s-60s kino
Sucks to be you, OP.
>watch and appreciate 30s-60s kino
fake intellectualism
pseud take
You don’t only have to watch Nolan and Tarantino films, anon. If you’re a horror fan then definitely watch the originals from the 30s and 40s.
No you. Flicks peaked in the '30s.
the overreaction starting in the mid 60s to the happy-but-bland movies of the 50s meant almost everything that came out in the 70s was a grimdark slog with shitty downer endings, which is why manic-depressive Redditors love them so much
>the happy-but-bland movies of the 50s
Fricking idiot Tarantino-ite opinion. You are literally talking out of your ass.
NTA but he's clearly criticizing 70s new hollywood misery porn while Tarantula loves it.
I'm talking about 50s movies which this dumbass clearly knows nothing about despite shittalking them.
Give me your best New Hollywood misery porn recs.
The French Connection
The Offence
So ylent Green
Planet of The Apes
Jaws is unwatchable?
>Jaws is unwatchable?
that's 1975 you moron.
typical dumb boomer things his favorite movies are older than they are.
Jaws is unwatchable after they get on the boat. I'm still mad because the small beachside town setting of the first 45 minutes is cozykino.
the 90s tbh
70s was just a bunch of boomer mob slop and western slop
80s was action shit
90s began kinos
Made by the Weinstein company. I don't miss that shit.
They were a relief from the war and were made as such. Everybody was clean shaven and well kempt.
>The Best Years of Our Lives was a relief after the way
Movies were just as hard hitting and gritty back then. A lot of people who think movies back then were sunshine and rainbows don't actually watch movies from back then except for It's a Wonderful Life
Yeah, they were gritty, but the people looked and spoke presentable in them. It was an act of rebellion, while lamenting existence. More like a play.
>if people don't look like a slob and speak like a black person, it is unrealistic
There are very few people here that know anything about movies, it's almost all capeshitters. Maybe 1 in 100, and I'm being generous, even know who William "99-Take Willie" Wyler is.
yea movies after 1970 get dumber and dumber
Goddamn you guys are gay. Who the frick cares when a film was made. Imagine unironically limiting your selection of kinos.
>the survivors of two world wars made 'naive' movies
lmao the state of zoomers
>the survivors of two world wars
they fought those wars for nothing
they were duped.
Yeah and you're going to be doing the same within the decade so get off your high horse.
Movies made before 1970 are more watchable than ones made after 2014.
This is like pointing out that fish need water to survive.
You're an actual moron if you think that. Not watching movies before 1970 is arbitrarily depriving yourself of kino for no reason. If you like 70s films then there will 100% be 60s films you enjoy.
If you think this is true, congratulations, you’re a postmodernist
>anything but nitty gritty cynical documentarianism isn't real
There's more truth in the archetypal stories told by Golden Age Hollywood than New Hollywood's celebration of misery and decay masquerading as enlightenment.
I've been meaning to watch Powell and Pressburger's flicks for ages. I've only seen About A Matter of Life and Death. And thought it was great. Beautiful. This week, I'll try to go A Canterbury Tale, Black Narcissus and The Red Shoes.
Planet of the Apes 60s version was kino.
This movie is KINO: https://youtube.com/shorts/jp7xAM-ZCCg
Watch it, son.
Hitchwiener doesn't agree with you.
same world I would describe most modern slop especially any disney
It was when auteur theory really took hold in Hollywood. Before, it was the studio system and filmmakers were mostly just work for hire. They were given a script, a shot list, and told to execute the studio's vision.
The modern franchise films from Disney, Warner Bros, and the like are a semi-return to the studio system, but audiences are starting to turn on this as these big budget blockbusters are bombing more and more at the box office.
The auteur theory is all about the studio system.
Protip to zoomies: the Hays Code didn’t kick in until the 30s and a lot of silent films are dark and fricked up if you have the patience to watch them (lol, lel, rofl). Examples include Faust, Cabinet of Dr Caligari, Dante’s Inferno and many more.
Just pretend you're watching a stage play
>watching a stage play
that's what all old movies feel like
I wish more modern movies felt like that instead of the typical bored mumbling from the actors.
Zoomer detected. Don't you have an Onlyfans account to update?
Bob le Flambeur
Armee des Ombres
OP is a homosexual
Well that's just a fricking lie. I can name quite a few movies from at least the 1960s that I enjoyed.
Psycho (1960)
Cape Fear (1962)
The Birds (1963)
The Pink Panther (1963)
Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf? (1966)
Point Blank (1967)
Cool Hand Luke (1967)
Jacque Tati's "Playtime" (1967)
Barbarella (1967)
The Odd Couple (1968)
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
Bullitt (1968)
Oliver! (1968)
Midnight Cowboy (1969)
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969)
Not because they've been hailed as classics, but I enjoyed the camera work, or the wry dialogue, or the chemistry between actors. There's films I don't like, too. The Producers, for instance. It's one of the most desperate movies I've ever seen.
Notice how this anon could only find a handful of movies all from the 60s that everybody knows lol
Yojimbo, Seven Samurai and then their American counterparts A Fistful of Dollars, For a Few Dollars More, The Good the Bad and the Ugly and The Magnificent Seven.
Planet of the Apes
Dollars trilogy is Italian
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say:
>Movies made before 1970 were boring, unrealistic, and naive... Or pretentious.
Good movies from the '70s and earlier stand out so starkly from average movies of their era. If the only old movies you watch are classics, you have no idea how boring and sloppy most old movies were.
I recently saw the Cincinnati Kid, magnificent 7 and Dirty Dozen, they were pretty great.
Goldfinger is watchable as frick
1927
The Bridge On The River Kwai has aged like fine wine
Riiiight, because modern action movies are soooo realistic.
Sounds like some moronic shit YMS would say
only true kino rose above the trash standards of the era they were made in. but post 1970s the studio system was strong and codified enough to make even the most average slop heaps better than its pre 1970s counterparts.
shit bait, but of course Cinemaphile posters have lower IQ than /misc/tards so what do you expect
you have shit taste
You know what were so awash in post-post-irony that maybe something you call “naive” is more human than you give credit for
I saw this dumb horse movie from 1943 at midnight on TCM last year and teared up. Was it all those things OP? Yeah. That doesn’t deride the pathos of the movie one bit
Something Ive noticed from older movies is they almost always wear their passions on their sleeve – theres a virtue in its simplicity that we’ve lost
Movies after 1970 are better because that's when they started showing pussies. Technically I think they were allowed to after '68 but you don't really start seeing pussies until after '70, which is mainly what I watch movies for
>1970 is when movies became watchable. Anything before that is unwatchable fluff.
okay adam
Eww.
Why is he so flabby?
All movies before 1980 are garbage. Except for Star Trek and Star Wars.
>twice in one day
>same bait
>same responses
This is precisely when film peaked. It was downhill after Star Wars created "blockbuster" movies. This precisely happened with William Friedkin's Sorcerer came out and was panned.
1970's American Cinema is the peak of all cinema. Second is German Expressionism.
1970 was actually peak garbage.
>movie's called "Sorcerer"
>doesn't involve sorceling
It put a spell on the viewer. I couldn't stop watching and literally watched the entire movie.
The real good stuff started in the 60s but there was still a mix of the old and new styles. Prior to the 60s there's still some good stuff but it's overwhelmingly very theatrical, written more like stageplays.
I haven't seen any black & white movies outside of Marx brothers movies and Laurel & Hardy movies. It was what the state channel aired. They aired other black & white movies too, but I was too young and it looked kinda boring.
"realism" is the greatest midwit bait
Cool it with the anti semitic remarks
Film has only become more israeli post 1970 though.
>Film has only become more israeli post 1970 though.
Sure, but now anybody can make films instead of the israeli studio cabals.
Is someone gonna tell this guy that multiple films outside israelite Wood existed in Europe and Russia too, and especially had a explosion in the 60s in latin America and Asia?
>They were made by israelites too
Oh yeah sure all films made before YouTube are israelite controlled.
Whereas films released in exactly 1970 are the definition of perfection.
The British gangster part in it was great.
Audiences were way smarter back then. Theres a reason you saw more book and theater adaptions before the 70s. Some were definitely watered down but audiences came to expect that. You were also dealing with subjects for the first time in the film medium so of course many movies were working out how best to depict something. Movies now have a benefit of a century of learning by other filmmakers. That being said, those filmmakers early attempts are more interesting to watch than those who stole their ideas and in their own way watered them down.
I would also give an example of the yin and yang of this so called naivety. One of my favourite movies is pic related. Its about two people who meet and fall in love but keep their past lives secret. One is a soldier with ptsd and the other is a prisoner let out to visit family for a short period. The way these subjects are dealt with is melodramatic and exaggerated to some extent. That being said, melodrama is way of blowing small things up so we can see the effects that it has on our characters and the people around them. i think its a valid method of storytelling that exposes the human condition just as well as those more realistic films of the 70s. It also reaches a wider audience because all the emotions are on display and easy to understand. A complex painting can be commendable but not interesting to look at. A simple one can catch you immediately and make you see things in a different way.
>2018
*Movies before 1960 are unwatchable
call me a pseud but if you cant watch movies made before the 70s then youa re missing out the greatest movies in cinema history. The 70s are basically the post modern period where its just the comment on the previous generations. YOu are missing the meat and potatoes of cinema.
You guys got any good pre-1970s horror recommendations? Besides obvious shit like Psycho of course
Depends on your interests. I would look at the hammer catalogue for an introduction (horror of dracula, the mummy, the devil rides out). You also have great supernatural and atmospheric stuff like the innocents and the haunting. Cult items like Carnival of Souls. I really love the universal monster movies too so see what character you interested in (i like frankenstein and creature). YOu then have the really expressionistic stuff from europe and its counterpart in america. The thing you have to remember is that horror movies depicted horrific or ghoulish characters and situations back then. Thats why you had creepy castles and deformed characters. There is a deliberate camp factor to many of these because the filmmaker is having fun with the setting.
No the 70s was just an era where people became cynical and sincerity died
The reason you think this is because that's how you are too and I pity you for that
Unironically in 1888.
watch this and tell me it's any of those above
Forbidden Planet
I would like to kick you in the balls, just let me know when they descend
Who the frick cares when a movie is released? Sunset Boulevard is one of my favourite movies ever and it was released in 1950
With some exceptions like Hitchwiener,Bergman, Kurosawa & etc
This. Most pre-1960s stuff kind of sucks besides the classics
Only a True Midwit would pay actual money to attend a movie - an entertainment form specifically designed to take one out of their everyday reality and give them a respite from the slings and arrows of Life - and then cry and whine that it wasn't "realistic" enough.
It is somehow fitting that such people are forever miserable and unable to feel joy.
I can't decide who's more homosexual, (You) or OP.
That's because you're a Midwit. Have one of your mouth-breather friends explain it to you.
>le midwit
Anyone who uses this term is a pseud or a homosexual
Hollywood movies have gone steadily downhill since 1934.
70's were my least favorite decade for movies because they were so scuffed.
Don't misunderstand though since I rarely consider anything made after 2010 watchable.
The 30's & the 80's were my favorite decades.
picrel is probably the only post 2010 movie I'd consider kino
Isn't this film just propaganda?
Pleb
Nah this was the best film from post 2010 brainlet chud
picrel is my favorite 30's movie
as for the 80's there's too many good movies to mention
don't really care since my country isn't affected either way the propaganda of this movie goes
I like it cuz it's a good example of how to make kino while still following the Marxist DEI requirements of current Hollywood like Sicario.
70s movies were actually pretty shit, pseudo arthouse mental masturbation that ran from 30 minutes too long.
Even the good movies from the time, like Rocky, are somewhat like this.
80s movies were MUCH better, even the bad ones.
>70s movies were actually pretty shit
and you are pretty fricking gay (and possibly trans)
70s movies are too artsy and too politicial - by design, but I dislike it. Also I'm just saying what everyone is thinking, most people are afraid to call 70s shit out for fear of being considered plebs and rubes.
70s movies are kino, you are either a zoomer or a actual moronic homosexual
>Too artsy
Texas Chainsaw Massacre is too artsy?
70s movies were actually pretty shit, pseudo arthouse mental masturbation that ran 30 minutes too long.
Even classics from the time, like Rocky or Taxi Driver, are somewhat like this.
80s movies were MUCH better, even the bad ones.
Movies became irredeemable once the MCU started. You know this to be true.
Watch The Blue Angel (1930) or Nana (1926). Realistic and not naive at all. Better than most modern movies.
LoA came out in 1962 and presents a more cynical portrayal of the white-man-goes-native genre than most modern movies