I hung in there until recently. I thought surely they'd get the picture after The Marvels publicly humiliated them but no, the stream of bland diversity slop continues. For me, the Fantastic Four casting was the last straw, although most others here probably abandoned the MCU well before then
>For me, the Fantastic Four casting was the last straw, although most others here probably abandoned the MCU well before then
Uh yes, I think most abandoned it after Endgame. I watched some post-Endgame stuff, mainly out of boredom. >Black Widow >WandaVision >Falcon and Winter Soldier >Hawkeye
As you can see, I just watched stuff that had the old characters, because all the new ones are bad. People think capeshit died organically, but it was killed with horrible decisions.
I stuck with it for so long because I invested hundreds and hundreds of hours reading these books back when they were good (long ago). I held out hope that Feige would course correct but the window for that has closed and it didn't happen. So now I just shitpost about it like everyone else
>I held out hope that Feige would course correct but the window for that has closed and it didn't happen
No, it hasn't, and it seems like they're completely blind to what people want. How did The Marvels even come into existence? >movie with not one, but three characters nobody likes
Then you have something like Eternals, which is a whole cast of new characters, and nobody cared. It's like they're unloading at a target with an assault rifle, and none of the bullets landed. There's no aim at all to what they're doing.
Like you said, The Fantastic Four cast doesn't look good either. It honestly feels like Marvel is getting their ideas (for casting) from Twitter or something, which is a really small percentage of the world. They shouldn't be surprised that everything bombs, when they do that.
This, Downey's a fruity-c**t. I guess I'm ok with Iron Man being a homo, but it was obviously just some fricking cash-cow film to extract $$$ from tweens.
Comic book movies came off the hype of actual directors doing 300 and Sin City and actually using the material as reference and stylistically. Then Nolan did 2 somewhat serious Batman movies (and third satire 'frick you' one).
Marvel didn't do any of that. They cherrypicked A story from 70+ years of material and did the lowbrow version, so now they have nothing.
The multiverse saga was not enough foundation to make it intelligent enough to go for years and years. It unravels with one phrase: if you die in this universe, your other universe copies of yourself live on. Bye bye stakes. They should have set a limit, either this story is a fun 18 month storyline that begins and ends with Loki, includes various other "What If" type projects and is just a lighthearted breather in between Endgame and Dr. Doom Saga OR they use Kang and give him a special "Ray Gun" that can erase ALL copies of a character in ALL TIMELINES. This would be literally what the TVA is seeing with the "thread unraveling" - it is explained that timelines are crumbling in chaos because one entire character was erase from all timelines, lets say Ant Man. Now stakes are on like Donkey Kong. The ending of Quantumania is The End of Scott Lang. Ant Man gets hit by Kangs Death Gun and we see you can erase a character from all timelines. Its not a Ray Gun "point and shoot" of course you need to put someone in a stasis for a while to erase them giving The Avengers time to rescue future characters.
what we have is a really weird storytelling going on, if you think about it half or more of what Marvel puts out... had nothing to even do with Multiverse. Its like we have several things going on:
The Thunderbolts - Black Widow, Falcon & The Winter Soldier, Hawkeye, Secret Invasion kinda
The Cosmicverse - Captain Marvel, Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, Guardians of the Galaxy and The Marvels
So IMO not only did you have a bad premise for a Phase you also had several subplots going on that muddled the narrative. I do not think there is enough proof superhero fatigue is real.
>I do not think there is enough proof superhero fatigue is real.
Superhero fatigue will be proven if people stop discussing it. There are daily thread about Marvel on Cinemaphile, so it still lives in everyone's head rent free. The truth is everyone wants more capeshit, but not the stuff they're making.
Maybe they should make yet another superhero movie with only women, because all the previous ones bombed by accident.
When he surgically removed the Arc from his chest I checked out. That’s what made IM cool in the first place and paved the way for “any bozo can throw an IM suit on” when in the original movie only he could wear it because the arc was attached to him and powered by his heart.
>pepper getting her own suit, operating flawlessly enough to save a problem strong male tony easily failed at
It was the beginning of the end for a lot of reasons. Mandarin writing arc was problem too.
Mandarin went over your head. It was commentary on terrorist figures being used in the media to manipulate a population, and to a lesser degree false flags and using military vets as pmcs.
Spiderman, Hulk, the xmen movies, fantastic 4 and Ironman 1 made me really excited for a MCU.
Then i realised Marvel IP was a shitshow, we were never gonnna get all these guys together on the same screen, and then we get meh shit like Ironman 2 and Captain America that killed any excitement i might've had.
And then later when they pick up and get better, it's just the least interesting Marvel heroes (minus Hulk, but the Mark Ruffalo version never got his own movie for some reason)
I wanted Spiderman, the x-men, Blade, Fantastic 4 to team up. But we got SHIELD, Black Widow and hawkeye instead
Also like you pointed out, they fricked up a lot of their villains. (Red Mask, Mandarin, etc.)
If it makes you feel any better, in the animated "What If?" show, Ultron proved he could've killed Thanos in seconds and dabbed on the rest of the Avengers with the stones.
The world stopped caring here
And maybe it was a little late
But they were still right to quit
They absolutely should have followed through and stopped making MCU movies right here, it wasn't even as good as Infinity War but it was a fine spot to say goodbye
It was a fun ride until Endgame, which was a thoroughly disappointing finale, and everything since has been really gay. The correct answer was to leave characters alive to be recast later, not kill them off. You've traded real characters that people want to see for shit like Kamala Khan who can't even get over in the comics.
Captain America civil war
>what if the Mandarin, one of Iron Man's coolest oldest most recognizable villains, was fake
This was such shit
>Marvel civil war movie
>doesn't have the Stamford Incident
Why?
Yep. Pretty much.
I never cared in the slightest, homosexual.
I hung in there until recently. I thought surely they'd get the picture after The Marvels publicly humiliated them but no, the stream of bland diversity slop continues. For me, the Fantastic Four casting was the last straw, although most others here probably abandoned the MCU well before then
>For me, the Fantastic Four casting was the last straw, although most others here probably abandoned the MCU well before then
Uh yes, I think most abandoned it after Endgame. I watched some post-Endgame stuff, mainly out of boredom.
>Black Widow
>WandaVision
>Falcon and Winter Soldier
>Hawkeye
As you can see, I just watched stuff that had the old characters, because all the new ones are bad. People think capeshit died organically, but it was killed with horrible decisions.
I stuck with it for so long because I invested hundreds and hundreds of hours reading these books back when they were good (long ago). I held out hope that Feige would course correct but the window for that has closed and it didn't happen. So now I just shitpost about it like everyone else
>I held out hope that Feige would course correct but the window for that has closed and it didn't happen
No, it hasn't, and it seems like they're completely blind to what people want. How did The Marvels even come into existence?
>movie with not one, but three characters nobody likes
Then you have something like Eternals, which is a whole cast of new characters, and nobody cared. It's like they're unloading at a target with an assault rifle, and none of the bullets landed. There's no aim at all to what they're doing.
Like you said, The Fantastic Four cast doesn't look good either. It honestly feels like Marvel is getting their ideas (for casting) from Twitter or something, which is a really small percentage of the world. They shouldn't be surprised that everything bombs, when they do that.
2008.
This, Downey's a fruity-c**t. I guess I'm ok with Iron Man being a homo, but it was obviously just some fricking cash-cow film to extract $$$ from tweens.
Filtered
Apologies, I meant "zesty".
There's nothing zesty about the film at all, he bangs a cutie within minutes of meeting her
Actor is genuinely the character.
It's pretend anon, these aren't real events. I hear musicals are making a comeback, your new bandwagon awaits...
>Actor is genuinely the character
What a moronic notion
but Downer Jr's heterosexual because his character might be???
>When did you realized that the MCU was a joke?
Around same time as you anon it was either Iron man 3 then Thor 2 cemented it.
how fckin old are yah filtered boomer?
This was the only marvel film I can actually call a good movie
Iron Man 1 is the only good MCU movie.
IM1 isn’t even an MCU movie. Disney didn’t buy them out til later.
I agree.
when Disney+ hijacked it
went from 2-3 movies a year building up to an Avengers movie to a tv content farm throwing shit at the wall with no direction
I've never watched any of this shit. It's for children.
Iron Man 2 but it was driven home by your picrel, yeah.
Yeah the Russos mog him overall
When I watched Agents of S.H.I.T.
Man he was so fricking cool imagine making a really cool villain then making him a gay actor and swapping him out for a moron
Comic book movies came off the hype of actual directors doing 300 and Sin City and actually using the material as reference and stylistically. Then Nolan did 2 somewhat serious Batman movies (and third satire 'frick you' one).
Marvel didn't do any of that. They cherrypicked A story from 70+ years of material and did the lowbrow version, so now they have nothing.
>Ignoring Sony's Spider-man success?
Yeah, you right anon.
Chris Pratt dance off shit. It was hated here for some time.
Iron Man 3 was the first movie that had way too much comedy. It was kinda downhill from there although there were still some movies with restraint.
Strange, im3 is better than the new ones
The multiverse saga was not enough foundation to make it intelligent enough to go for years and years. It unravels with one phrase: if you die in this universe, your other universe copies of yourself live on. Bye bye stakes. They should have set a limit, either this story is a fun 18 month storyline that begins and ends with Loki, includes various other "What If" type projects and is just a lighthearted breather in between Endgame and Dr. Doom Saga OR they use Kang and give him a special "Ray Gun" that can erase ALL copies of a character in ALL TIMELINES. This would be literally what the TVA is seeing with the "thread unraveling" - it is explained that timelines are crumbling in chaos because one entire character was erase from all timelines, lets say Ant Man. Now stakes are on like Donkey Kong. The ending of Quantumania is The End of Scott Lang. Ant Man gets hit by Kangs Death Gun and we see you can erase a character from all timelines. Its not a Ray Gun "point and shoot" of course you need to put someone in a stasis for a while to erase them giving The Avengers time to rescue future characters.
what we have is a really weird storytelling going on, if you think about it half or more of what Marvel puts out... had nothing to even do with Multiverse. Its like we have several things going on:
The Thunderbolts - Black Widow, Falcon & The Winter Soldier, Hawkeye, Secret Invasion kinda
The Cosmicverse - Captain Marvel, Ms. Marvel, Moon Knight, Guardians of the Galaxy and The Marvels
So IMO not only did you have a bad premise for a Phase you also had several subplots going on that muddled the narrative. I do not think there is enough proof superhero fatigue is real.
>I do not think there is enough proof superhero fatigue is real.
Superhero fatigue will be proven if people stop discussing it. There are daily thread about Marvel on Cinemaphile, so it still lives in everyone's head rent free. The truth is everyone wants more capeshit, but not the stuff they're making.
Maybe they should make yet another superhero movie with only women, because all the previous ones bombed by accident.
Iron Man 3 would of been fantastic if not for the shitty mandarin twist
When he surgically removed the Arc from his chest I checked out. That’s what made IM cool in the first place and paved the way for “any bozo can throw an IM suit on” when in the original movie only he could wear it because the arc was attached to him and powered by his heart.
>pepper getting her own suit, operating flawlessly enough to save a problem strong male tony easily failed at
It was the beginning of the end for a lot of reasons. Mandarin writing arc was problem too.
Mandarin went over your head. It was commentary on terrorist figures being used in the media to manipulate a population, and to a lesser degree false flags and using military vets as pmcs.
Shut up everyone wanted Foo man Choo
I knew it was capeshit as a kid before the mcu existed because im not moronic
Spiderman, Hulk, the xmen movies, fantastic 4 and Ironman 1 made me really excited for a MCU.
Then i realised Marvel IP was a shitshow, we were never gonnna get all these guys together on the same screen, and then we get meh shit like Ironman 2 and Captain America that killed any excitement i might've had.
And then later when they pick up and get better, it's just the least interesting Marvel heroes (minus Hulk, but the Mark Ruffalo version never got his own movie for some reason)
I wanted Spiderman, the x-men, Blade, Fantastic 4 to team up. But we got SHIELD, Black Widow and hawkeye instead
Also like you pointed out, they fricked up a lot of their villains. (Red Mask, Mandarin, etc.)
Age of Ultron, Thor 2 was the first real disappointment.
I didn't mind the tone of the MCU until Guardians 1, it was downhill from there and led to shit like Thor 3+4
Age of Ultron, the CGI was so dog shit I had to stop watching. It's a shame, Ultron was actually a good villain.
If it makes you feel any better, in the animated "What If?" show, Ultron proved he could've killed Thanos in seconds and dabbed on the rest of the Avengers with the stones.
Best part of that animated crap was Ultron spending an entire episode getting progressively stronger until he breaks out of Reality. Kino.
Not the first time grapefruit man has been dabbed on
The world stopped caring here
And maybe it was a little late
But they were still right to quit
They absolutely should have followed through and stopped making MCU movies right here, it wasn't even as good as Infinity War but it was a fine spot to say goodbye
It was a fun ride until Endgame, which was a thoroughly disappointing finale, and everything since has been really gay. The correct answer was to leave characters alive to be recast later, not kill them off. You've traded real characters that people want to see for shit like Kamala Khan who can't even get over in the comics.
Age of Ultron, Ultron becoming mostly a quippy sarcasm character past the first act.
It's a better formula for TV like Buffy than movies.
When they canceled avengers EMH because "it wasn't like the movies"
Alternatively when they made ant-man just some guy instead of a genius scientist like he was in the comics.
I know marvel and DC comics suck but they suck less than these shitty movies that aren't anything like the source material.
Age of Ultron. Every other line every character said was some dumb Joss Whedon quip.