When does it get bad? Currently on season 4 and I love it.
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at a certain point Rob McElhenney starts to get bored and you'll notice
I know that sounds vague but trust me
Treat it like SouthPark you'll just be able to tell. It loses its identity and while some episodes are alright, the show as a whole lost its spirit.
And while there was worse episode, waiting for big moe and the escape room episode are somehow worse than the dance. I don't even know how to explain it. It's just the true death of what the show was.
Then you've still got episodes like time's up for the gang and dee day which are good. They're just outliers.
>loses its identity
That's not why it got bad, though
It changes noticeably even within the earlier seasons, bringing DeVito in really altered the chemistry and it took them a while to figure out how to rebalance
It's all still good though (until it stopped being good)
Absolutely every season has multiple bangers. Later seasons there are more misses, but early seasons are all quality.
The gay dance scene is when it officially is dead. People who LARP as being more high-brow than they actually are will defend it for ego wanking reasons, but nobody who isn't a complete moron will defend it.
why does everything have to be fricking gay nowadays. i'm bi myself and i'm fricking sick of it. i only mention that because it really just makes people fricking hate us and honestly it's just disingenuous now most of the time.
Homosexuality is satanic and the spirit of Satan dominates society at the moment it's that simple
>Homosexuality is satanic
it's catholic priests that suck off little boys, don't lumps satanists in with you moronic homosexuals
You mean Public School Teachers who are also satanic and moronic
Rabbis suck off little boys too
that scene felt so out of place, this is supposed to be a comedy show what the shit was that dance?
yup, that's when I dropped it as well. rob's a gay
>The gay dance scene
wasn't that the end of season cliff hanger? then next season pretends it didn't happen
what was the point
nah, they acknowledge it in at least one later episode
>i don't like this because it doesn't appeal to me
vs
>I AM LITERALLY SHAKING, HOW CAN THIS BE ALLOWED ON TELEVISION?
one is triggered and the other is disappointed
ewwwww get away from us troon ewwwww
it's starts to turn around season 12.
this. seasons 1-11 are great, 12 starts the decline but isn't terrible, 13 and onward are more bad than good but still have some okay episodes. this last season was better than 13-15 at least
It never really has for me, even at the shows worst it's still better than 99% of the shit out there
yeah thats true, the only season that i thought was bad was 12 but it still had some good episodes
Season 11 or so the first 7-8 seasons are all pretty good
It was slowly declining for years, but the death was Mac coming out. It was funnier to have it deliberately vague and inconsistent, like stewie from FG
It was never funny at all.
Whenever Rob got bulk plastic surgery done.
The earlier seasons were really good. I miss that show, even though it's still around. It's like having a parent with dementia, but you remember how they used to be.
>season 2-6 - around 90% good episodes
>season 7-10 - around 70% or 80% good episodes
>season 11+ - lucky if there is 3 good episodes a season
What are the bad episodes in the early seasons?
personal preference of course but franks's brother, the gang cracks the liberty bell, dennis reynolds - an erotic life (half of it is alright but the rob thomas and sinbad cameos/plot are dogshit), the gang gets stranded in the woods, high school reunion
having said that, they are bad episodes in the context of those seasons and would be better than average in later seasons
stranded in the woods is one of my favourites but all the rest I'd generally agree with
>When does it get bad?
Season 12 is where it probably should have ended. Its not as good as season 11 was and the finale has all the characters resolve a lot of their problems and move on and it would have been a logical place to end things. Season 13 is probably the worst season and the finale is this ridiculous jump the shark moment were Rob McElhenney goes up his own ass to try and impress woke Hollywood. Season 14 isn't much better and by the end of it I thought the show needed to end. That said season 15 was a definite improvement over 13 and 14 and the Ireland episodes are pretty watchable. The most recent season 16 was actually pretty solid throughout and the finale was the best episode they've done since season 11.
So there you go. I'm still watching it with the understanding that its past its prime but can still deliver from time to time. If you want to stop before it starts going downhill end it at season 11 episode 5 "Mac and Dennis Move to the Suburbs" but if you stop there you'll be missing out on some really great episodes as well as some absolute trash.
Mostly this. Subjectively, I walked away from S16 only feeling attachment to “Frank vs Russia” and “The Gang Goes Bowling”, but aside from gripes with Mac’s continued (pointless and misguided) existence, it was decent television. S13 is probably still the worst, overall, and even that has “Time’s Up for The Gang” and “The Gang Gets New Wheels” trying to redeem an otherwise unwatchable season.
The thing that gets on my nerves the most in nuSunny is the over reliance on explaining why the characters are bad people. It undercuts the writing / joke more often than not, and it runs counter to who we know the characters to be when one of them is always forced to be a halfhearted voice of reason, unless we’re to believe they are hypocritical about literally every topic. It’s a role that Mac used to fulfill when his character made more sense. With other characters, “the moral highground” voice of reason has only ever worked when they are using it as an attack on another member of the gang for being stupid.
It peaks in season 9 and then goes right off a cliff. Really impressive. You'll know for sure once Dee and Mac get bogged.
Maybe it's just a mix of everything. I watched it from '06 to '13 or '14 and gave up on the Scott Bakula episode and at some point it was crass, vulgar, high energy about a group of loathsome people trying and fricking up because crabs in a bucket. At some point they started getting meta, making references to this being a show, more episodes where they keep poking fun at how their lives are a sitcom and all around the world just got crazier. I guess that you can't bring 2006 energy into 2023 any more, living like trash people, gigs, scams...it is just too real now. For example, I remember in '12 that I started seeing old guys rummaging through the trash. Not hobos or gypsies, just old people, well dressed, in latex gloves looking around seeing if they could get something to make ends meet. It's been 10 years and now they do it like an every day routine. Hell I gave a one a tip once for a haul and he still greets me everytime I see him.
>about a group of loathsome people trying and fricking up because crabs in a bucket.
>At some point they started getting meta,
this is the problem
rob hated that the audience likes their characters so now they are still loathsome people but now they have to have a little discussion for the audience's benefit about how they are loathsome and shouldn't be doing it, before they do it
I sometimes would skip the cricket episodes because I knew he would end up 10 times worse than how he came. But I fear that now they would insert some quip about "how is he still alive" or "are we the baddies"?
It's just fricking stupid, Danny DeVito is pushing 80 and could live off royalties by now just let the little midget rest.
i hope you skipped a cricket's tale as it is genuinely terrible
Was it the one where cricket gets taken back by his family? No, I stopped the moment they showed that his father and brother loved him despite what he had become and I just knew the show would torture cricked for the hell of it so I skipped it.
yeah, that's it
Good thing I skipped it.
that one was just depressing
>Danny DeVito is pushing 80 and could live off royalties by now just let the little midget rest.
That could also sum up always sunny. DeVito was gargling beer, talking about fricking either his ex-wifes sister or his niece.
Well what kind of energy CAN you bring into 2023?
Almost seems like everything popular these days has to evoke the past in some way.
7
When Dennis leaves
i think its called the gang goes to hell part 1 and 2 when theyre on a boat. thats clearly the series finale
season 9
Season 6
Stop watching after season 6
Around season 4 actually. For me the Nightman musical episode marks the end of the good stuff. There's a lot of stuff in that episode that they had been done before so it's easy to make a soul vs souless comparison.
Season eight episode one.
imo gets bad around season 11 but still a good episode per season after
Bit like South Park. It's never "bad" save for a handful of misfires, but every season still has a few gems. It's always comfy. It's not like the Simpsons or anything.
Anything with Cricket is horrible. Just too mean spirited for my tastes I guess
and pointless too. I kinda liked the idea at first, but like whats left? will he end up with his legs amputated while dennis says something like "its his fault you know?"
never got bad for me, but whatever.
Nice.
Kinda tired of people arguing of what season of a show I should drop.
those are suggestions anon you are not supposed to listen to them
11 is the last partly watchable season.
The family feud scene where the punchline is seen from a mile away
It ought to have ended with High-school Reunion
Everything after that has been hit or miss
I disagree with both of you but since you got dubs I guess you are both right and I guess I owe you fools a random picture.
When they changed to high definition cameras and wide aspect ratio. The soul dissappeared.
I watch for she. Hnnnnnggg.
She's still hot
S7 is when the drop starts. Later seasons are so bad that 7-11 are now also considered good.
when Dee starts to look attractive
11 is the perfect cutoff, drop it after that. 12 is watchable if you're up to it but definitely drop it after that
season 12 the drop in quality is very very noticeable but the later seasons are ok, nowhere near as good as the first 6 seasons though
When Dee gets plastic surgery
It became too meta, too self referential, too self aware and the actors look either old and wasted or like bogged freaks.
2-7 are peak
8-11 are ok
Everything after is absolute garbage
9 is the last consistently good season where every episode feels like Sunny, 10 mostly feels fine but the Family Feud episode is a real harbinger of the soulless tone that's up ahead, 11 continues the unpleasant trend by becoming too self-referntial (Chardee McDennis 2, all the callback jokes in the finale, etc.) though it has a good episode in Mac and Dennis Move to the Suburbs. Then 12 onwards is just completely soulless.
When they apologised for doing black face I was out. It was decently funny, but after Mac was openly a gay it declined fast
Slight drop in consistency every few seasons, but 12 is the first time the bad episodes out number the good.
I still watch it because even in bad seasons there can be a pretty good episode hidden in there.
Season 12 has the Water Park episode, which is solid.
Season 13 has New Wheels, which felt like classic sunny.
Good episodes become more and more sporadic until season 10 when it is all terrible.
The Gang Beats Boggs is probably the last truly great episode
For me, it never recovered from The Gang Hits the Slopes
i fricking loved that episode.
That’s a top 10 episode tho
i think the decline started in season 5 but it wasnt that bad. show as still great.
these days you are lucky if a single episode a season is watchable.
Season 12 onwards you can feel it sinking. I think S10 is the real cut-off but I've mentioned S11 and 12 because they still have some great episodes. I honestly think by around S8-10 the fame changed them, especially when Rob roids up, and Kaitlyn starts getting bogged. Charlie is the only one that truly kept in character all the time.
last 2 seasons have been shit
Dont watch seasons 10+
Here's an easy guide:
If mac be fat, funny is that
If mac be fit, it's gone to shit
Even the new seasons have some funny stuff but the show took a nosedive in 2017 after the election. Rob is peak TDS Hollywood liberal and you can see it in the writing
Idk, but I quit when Dennis left (but didn't) and don't regret it a bit.
>When does it get bad?
When they introduce angry Mac. So when you get to the point where Mac's response to everything is shouting like a moron it's time to quit.
I don't understand why you guys expect shows that run this long not to change. They have to adapt to changing audiences. Think of how much society has changed since episode 1. They can't just stay stuck in the past.
You’re not wrong. Early seasons said homosexual and moron and one of the main jokes was how disgusting it is that Mac banged the troony lmao
the gang replaces dee with a monkey was funny. Ireland episodes had some laughs, overall disappointing though
>show about unapologetically awful, offensive and moronic characters
>they begin to ironically comment on how inappropriate their actions are (writers self inserting)
gee I wonder what could go wrong
yeah, it was the same with brooklyn nine nine
it felt forced rather than clever and was annoying after the initial couple times
As an example, the old gang members would get outraged about bad actions only for cynical selfish reasons to frick over the others and advance their agenda.
The nu-gang points out bad things just because they’re bad (writer’s opinion irl). It’s outside of the established characters and lame as frick
for me it was somewhere around the bath salt zombies episode
that episode and especially the ones after just felt phoned in and more formulaic
still some gold here and there, though; like the emmy episode
It doesn't. They just get older and more vulgar.