When, exactly, did the practice of telling your old audience to frick off so you can try in vain to find a new one actually start?
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When, exactly, did the practice of telling your old audience to frick off so you can try in vain to find a new one actually start?
The Force Awakens is the one that comes to mind as far as someone explicitly saying "This isn't for you"
Seems like that was the plan all along, doesn't it?
With how heavy handed the nostalgia pandering is in that movie, you know that cannot possibly be true. That is such a blatant retread of ANH that it could only be for the average middle age star wars gay.
nah Force Awakens was definitely OT pandering, Last Jedi was where it all went wrong
it lifted ideas from ANH, but the continuation of the story from the conclusion of the original trilogy is completely broken. Immediately at the start of the movie we have The First Order already established, using stormtroopers to execute people, and we only get a one liner in the opening wall of text explaining who they are
>look, stormtroopers, that's all you need to know
Everything carried over from the OT is butchered
>Force is Female personified as main character
>Harambe sidekick
>No Luke
>Han dying like a b***h
>Main antagonist is a joke
>Generally undoes everything that happened in the OT
The only similarities with A New Hope start and end with the copied aesthetics and overall plot of "chosen one discovered in desert planet has to destroy planet-killing weapon of space nazis". That's called creative bankruptcy, not "nostalgia pandering". They wanted a delivery method for their propaganda and basically created a corrupted, soulless version of ANH (because that's who they are) and thought people wouldn't notice.
How the frick can you say that when JJ Abrams already did the star trek reboot at that point
The Force Awakens is quite literally "this is the Star Wars you love and remember, back at last"
The only people it wasn't for is prequel lovers, and those people are deranged anyway.
The Force Awakens is the opposite. It cucked so hard to the fans that Disney was afraid to put any creativity into it.
The one that was a "frick you" was The Last Jedi.
TLJ is a much a love letter to fans as TFA was, it just made the mistake of thinking fans grew along with the property instead of being perpetually locked into a 12 year olds level of maturity
Least demented Riangay
I wouldn't have thought I'd still see TLJ shilling after 6 years.
self righteous' butthurt is eternal.
Shitting on things people like is exactly what a 12 yo problem child would do.
who the frick ruined gprime's art in this comic
See, you're one of those mental children though. You think characters facing adversity, loss or failure instead of being the action figures from your childhood is "shitting on them", and you're so blinding you somehow don't see that they story loves them and very specifically returns them to the light.
You're why the third movie in that series is an utter humiliation. They tried, very badly, to listen to people like you.
You think rape is character development, dear problem child. Take the L already. Nobody likes rape. And your ilk cannot create either way
>Nobody likes rape.
I like rape. Your statement is untrue.
>dending TLJ in 2023
Lmao grow up, womanchild.
Go to bed, Ryan.
TLJ’s Luke half is more a love letter to people who actually enjoy hero myths for more than
>and then he swung a sword
Star Wars fans could never understand. And they didn’t. And then they had the audacity to get mad that their anger got Duel of the Fates scrapped in favor of The Rise of Skywalker.
When did "THE FORCE IS FEMALE" start?
>When did "THE FORCED FEMALE" start?
fixed
If you wanted to say that about Last Jedi I would agree, but TFA was about as close to ANH as it could be without literally being a retitled print from 1977.
The first X-men movie
How
go woke go broke
Ironically, after all the bellyache and butthurt, we actually see Huge in actual yellow spandex and it doesn't look as good. They shouldn't have had such identical outfits, but fans are morons who think translating 90s Jim Lee pencil art into movie costumes is just nothing.
if you can accept ey lasers and metal claws, there's no reason to not accept yellow.
you hold this opinion becasue the black suits were made first
Or because we have the set pics from Deadpool 3 and it looks kinda stupid, despite being introduced with the 90s cartoon.
you accept every kind of mongoloid shit in Deadpoop but you draw the line at yellow jumpsuits?
ok
I don't really care about Deadpool, but Wolverine will literally never look as cool in live action as in comics and animation because John Byrne wasn't thinking about it.
Jim Lee had the right idea, though - personalized tacticool togs, blue with yellow accents. They all look different, but clearly part of a team. The X-Men are about representing an ideal, and for that reason, their colors actually mean something. That said, the movies pulled off the same effect, just with a different scheme.
When the old fans are nothing but contemptable cretins, to you, why would you worry about what they say? You have a market of people who were born after Halo with zero interest in the games, that's the market.
(these people fricking disgust me, btw)
>When the old fans are nothing but contemptable cretins, to you, why would you worry about what they say?
Why would you assume that about them?
because Hollywood creatives always think like this. Professionally and personally, anyone not in their orbit is at the least a backward ignorant.
anon, i'm not saying there is a market that will go crazy for Halo, i'm saying there's a market of people who never had to finish the fight. So the whole "this don't make sense, none of this makes sense" people who are familiar with the game have wouldn't apply to them.
why do you think i'm defending this project, anon? I think whatever weird gentrification they did on this ruined a perfectly good story about humanity on the brink trying to save the universe. Instead John Master Chief is fricking chicks and trying to find the halo. It disgusts me.
>because hollywood creatives always think like this. Professionally and personally, anyone not in their orbit is at the least a backward ignorant.
True enough.
Were you not here for the SAG strike threads were writers showed up and literally confirmed all of this?
They unironically see themselves as a caste of prophets responsible for every shift in American social attitudes over the last half century, from casual sex to interracial romance to gay acceptance. They openly admitted to pushing propaganda and considered anything that didn't to be inferior art. They unironically believe we are in an unprecedented cultural golden age, almost entirely thanks to them and their diverse, inclusive, socially conscious writing rooms. That we should be lucky we can experience the work of such luminaries, the greatest collection of creatives the world has ever seen.
I could not imagine being that far up my own ass, but Hollywood attracts a special breed.
It attracts desperation, which is the most vulnerable emotional state a human being can be in maybe besides love. That is the issue. Most of these people do not go into that world thinking or feeling how they do after 5+ years of living there. They are turned into that due to desperation.
Your middle school Cinemaphile course on The Crucible tells you all you need to know about how places like this operate and exist.
Except they don't have a market that doesn't care about the games, the vast majority of people who would want to watch a Halo television series are people who are already Halo fans. That's why all these shows are doing so badly, turns out creating a fanbase out of nothing is hard especially when you've already alienated your natural target audience.
Bingo.
>Except they don't have a market that doesn't care about the games, the vast majority of people who would want to watch a Halo television series are people who are already Halo fans.
No they're not. Nobody outside America cares about the Halo games. Nobody outside America cares about comic books, either. The targer audience for something like this is self-described sci-fi fans. I don't get why any game fanbase thinks they're the primary audience for a movie based on said videogame.
There are six Resident Evil movies specifically engineered to prove this point. Plus all the failed Resident Evil movies that were aimed at game fans. How is this hard to understand?
If the Halo show gets cancelled after Season 2 it will be because it's bad or it doesn't resonate with the GA. That's the only reason. What game fans think is almost entirely irrelevant.
Do you think James Bond movies are aimed at fans of the books? Do you think Apocalypse Now was aimed at fans of Heart of Darkness? No, it was aimed at everyone.
This narrative is proven propaganda by the fact that every single "reinvented" scifi franchise in the past decade has been a failure. Trek, star wars, halo, the list goes on - all a failure because of the fundamental principle that if something is successful because people enjoyed something, taking out what they enjoyed will make it less enjoyable and less successful. This isn't debatable.
>This narrative is proven propaganda by the fact that every single "reinvented" scifi franchise in the past decade has been a failure. Trek
Wait a minute. The JJ Abrams version of Star Trek was literally the first time Star Trek found any success outside of America. All the old films unpopular, although obviously people knew about Scotty and Kirk in commonwealth countries. But being a Star Trek fan was a distinctly American thing. JJ's version was globally popular.
>because of the fundamental principle that if something is successful because people enjoyed something, taking out what they enjoyed will make it less enjoyable and less successful.
Who Censored Roger Rabbit darkly satirical book where Roger Rabbit murders a guy for fricking Jessica Rabbit, then he tries to frame Eddie Valiant for the crime. Who Framed Roger Rabbit is a screwball comedy that uses two lines of dialogue from the book and discards everything else.
You need to understand something. Star Wars movies are primarily aimed at people who already like Star Wars. That's why nobody in China gives a shit about Star Wars. They see it for what it is, and have no blind nostalgia for it.
Cross-medium stuff is different. Comic book movies are not aimed at comic book fans. Videogame movies are not aimed at hardcore gamers, or even really self-proclaimed gamers. Book adaptations unless they're some YA slop cashing in on the book's popularity and nothing else are aimed at general moviegoers.
Do you think that anyone cares that Howl's Moving Castle (anime film) is nothing like the book it's based on? No. Because it's not aimed at fans of the book, although it obviously isn't aiming to upset them. It just doesn't care what they think. Have you read literally any of the books that famous Disney movies are based on? Have you actually read Fox and the Hound? It's nothing like the movie, and is utterly fricked up.
>lie
>irrelevant falsehood
>irrelevant falsehood
You are shit at your job.
You're a moron, anon. It's a matter of fact that Star Trek was never popular outside America. "Trekkies" are an American thing. The JJ Abrams reboots were popular internationally. You're a drooling frickwit if you dispute this. You can dislike the reboots all you want, but most people around the world associate Khan with Benedict Cumberwomble, not the other guy from Star Trek 2: Wrath of Khan, which they've never seen. I'm a huge OT fan, but I'm not a moron.
>muh demographics
>muh cope
Not an argument. Anyone who's looked at how these productions have fared since release has seen that the crap reproductions have collapsed immediately after release.
You are terrible at your job, which is promoting this garbage. have a nice day and do us all a favour.
>Anyone who's looked at how these productions have fared since release has seen that the crap reproductions have collapsed immediately after release.
But the originals were never successful, so what's your argument here? Star Trek 2009 sold over 10 million copies on DVD/Blu Ray. It was a blockbuster success, universally beloved, and had fantastic legs. You not liking it means jack shit.
>the originals weren't successful (outside their decades of success and cultural relevance)
Disingenuous pile of puke
Nobody in this thread is a burger. The Star Trek franchise failed to gain any traction outside burgerland. Are you a burger? That might explains your perspective being so wrong.
>the (successful franchise) wasn't successful to me because (I didn't like it)
Frick off
I love classic Star Trek. I love the first 6 movies. But the fact is, outside of America, that version of Trek is mega niche. You need to understand this. There's a thing called "US Defaultism" where Americans struggle to understand the world because they assume that their cultural experiences are universal. You see this with Halo. They assume that Halo is this global mega franchise. But it only exists inn regions where the Xbox sold a lot of copies. To most people, Halo (TV show) isn't based on a game. They've never played the games. It's like people finding out that James Bond is based on a book series. They don't know, and don't care.
You love whatever you're paid to love. Frick off.
>that version of Trek is mega niche
and it's more successful and enduring than halo the series. your argument is that if you cant reach a world audience then youre doing it wrong. except that the opposite happened here, and youre acting like you made a valid point.
>and it's more successful and enduring than halo the series.
Isn't that something that would require decades to prove? We've had one season of Halo so far. Come back in 10 years.
>Halo premiered on March 24, 2022, on Paramount+,[4] with the series already renewed for a second season.[5] The first season was met with mixed reviews, with praise aimed towards its action scenes, cast, and visual effects but criticism for its derivative writing and alterations from the source material.[6]
I'd be shocked if they get a 3rd season. Even wikipedia acknowledges how shit it is outside of the few action scenes.
Wikipedia is just "teaching the controversy" so to speak. Paramount is in for a penny, in for a pound. I suspect this thing is going to get renewed unless S2 goes off the rails because it has a new showrunner.
Halo was always going to be criticized for being derivative because it's a wholly derivative franchise. As for fidelity to source material, nobody except game fans cares about that. It's not a factor in whether the show gets renewed.
>I'd be shocked if they get a 3rd season.
The 2nd season was approved before the first episode even aired and unlike season 1 they no longer have morbid curiosity to boost ratings. Thats not even mentioning that paramount+ has been a resounding failure.
Iconicity can't be forced
>But the fact is, outside of America, that version of Trek is mega niche.
Kys, idiot. It has always been insanely popular in all the western world (as far as a non pew pew sci fi can be popular).
>You see this with Halo
Halo was popular where Xbox was which was the Anglosphere and Latin America its even a joke that Halo fans are spics.
>I love classic Star Trek
You don’t though.
>trek is mega niche outside of us
Not true.
Trek was semi popular in the entire west, the UK, Sweden, Germany etc.
This claim about Star Trek is completely false...? The Motion Picture's inflation-adjusted gross is significantly higher than Star Trek 09's, TOS and its movies were very famous outside the US and actually got dubbed to hell and back for the international market
I'm not as sure about Halo but judging by this article (cf. the '1883' part) it also seems incorrect, the premier's viewership would have been in the range of a fraction of Halo 3's sales:
https://deadline.com/2022/03/halo-premiere-viewership-record-paramount-plus-1234987267/
>TOS and its movies were very famous outside the US and actually got dubbed to hell and back for the international market
Of course they got dubbed. But they were never popular the way Trek was popular in America.
You'll notice how nobody ever tries to invoke RT in regards to Trek because the culture war review bombers couldn't even drag down those movies incredibly high scores they're so widely liked
Star Trek 2009 has 7.9 on IMDB. It's a super fricking popular movie. Wrath of Khan has 7.7. I prefer Wrath of Khan. It's a much better movie. But this is a minority opinion, and I'm not going to pretend otherwise.
You actually make a very interesting point, anon. It is very clear that people will take certain stances on media and parrot it incessantly. We saw this recently with the obvious lie about Sound of Freedom's box office being fake being chanted over and over.
Repeating false info over and over ignoring anyone who points out nuances or facts is a new tactic to overwhelm with raw "information".
>i finished the movie, 10/10
>other people rated it below 8, therefore 10/10
>nice cgi, 10/10
That' your imdb audicence, not counting fake accounts. Also moder audience mostly rate everything 7 to 10.
That's whay WoK is still considered a masterpiece and ID is forgotten and conisdered shit by those who remember it
>of course I’m wrong, but I’m still right
The thing about Halo is that we'll have concrete Season 2 numbers at least for the US because Paramount+ has been added to Nielsen polling.
A point worth noting with Star Trek is that prior to about 1995, non-US box office numbers are very unreliable. Reporting was scattered.
Those productions did extremely well and continue to do so? Not sure what point you're trying to make.
How to out yourself as a shill 101; claim that a rejected shadow of a formerly universally successful franchise "did extremely well" despite abysmal reviews, dwindling financial support and fanbase abandonment
You are garbage, true garbage - maybe that's why you identify with these failures - apart from the money of course
Delusional cope. Literally everything you said isn't true.
>no u
Convincing no one of your corporate propaganda
I am Brazilian and the original Star Trek shows were huge here.
The BBC airs Star Trek 24 hours a day you mong
>OT
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you are saying this like you believe in earnest that hollywood accounting is the same as it's been for 50 years, and it's always been reliable
this recent "muh billy" shitposting is a huge fricking indicator that common people are now dumb enough to take recorded numbers at face value rather than factoring in shit like fan desperation (causing me to consume the FIRST re-attempts such as TFA or the first JJ Trek, and ignore the follow ups) and shady financial practices.
>or the first JJ Trek, and ignore the follow ups
2009 Star Trek made 127,950,427 outside the US. Into Darkness made 238,586,585. It basically DOUBLED in popularity. US numbers remained basically the same.
Remember that outside the US there isn't all that much nostalgia for older Star Trek.
>Fake trek movies made incrementally higher earnings
>wrath of khan rated #1 to this day
Frick off with this cheap shit
of khan rated #1 to this day
Rated #1 by whom, though? If you asked Chinese audiences, which one would they favor? Basically, modern Trek sacrificed the US audience for the global one, much like how modern James Bond sacrificed the British audience for the global one.
Take your pick
Audience rankings, income, critic ratings
have a nice day
>although it obviously isn't aiming to upset them
Good job midwit, you spotted the difference. Verification not required.
Most of the world is less intelligent than the west, empirically, so it matters not what they find appealing when we dilute it down for them.
Books and games are very different products, it's infinetly easier to adapt a book to a movie than a video game, as a good game has good gameplay mechanics being at least 80% of its draw. Mediocre games always try to rely on storytelling or graphical eye candy to carry an otherwise lackluster experience, whereas good gameplay mechanics allow for infinite replay ability.
My point with all that is when you adapt a good game, you will have to completely write a story from the ground up, while a book allows for easy adaptation right off the bat.
I don't understand why anyone would willingly alienate ab audience that would be easy to satisfy and provide free marketing for your series or movie with just the slightest bit of pandering.
even if this is true (it isn't) and they're just trying to please a GA rather than push personal ideological propaganda (they are), then why not use the game storyline that already did this and made the game a huge commercial success? The games already have a cast of compelling characters, a compelling plot with twists and turns, which instantly turned a generation of young male gamers into fans. The only reason the audience for the games wasn't larger, is because only young men play games, but if you make it a tv show, then suddenly everyone can enjoy it, and would enjoy it.
This is why the show is mere propaganda, and not as you put it, simply an innocent attempt to reach a General Audience.
>Nobody outside America cares about the Halo games. Nobody outside America cares about comic books
Why are morons always the most vocal with their opinions?
>Nobody outside of America cares abouy Halo
Then why won't Australians stop b***hing about their servers?
Nobody show this double digit IQ moron the Halo 3 world map.
I never played Halo but I liked Red vs Blue
If old fans don't like your product, it means your product sucks and you are wrong.
You seethe becasue you want the profitable IP baggage, but without the baggage that makes it itself
Byt why? White males of age 16-36 are demographic that has money. One of last one in west.
And you do everything in your power to not cater them?
White males have more money, but white women spend more money. White women are the biggest consumer demographic, and have been for a very long time.
White woman have been tapped out. Just look at student debt stats. Everyone is trying to shill for them.
It's crazy how little companies try to shill for white males under 50.
Paramount's target audience is more boomer oriented. They make a lot of "dad-core" shows. Halo slots quite neatly into that. Also, it's a TV show, not a videogame.
i can read the words in the parentheses and understand why they are there anon. not everyone is a moron, i promise
If you're adapting a series with a pre-existing fanbase it's silly not to try to appeal to them as they have a higher likelihood of watching the show and earning you money. If you're not going to try appealing to the fanbase that's already there what's the point of adapting the IP? Might as well create a new series.
They're a baked in audience. Suits understand that so they already know they have them because it's halo, but they also want to capture everyone else who doesn't give a shit about halo by changing it to try and appeal to them. Problem is that it's a lose lose situation. Best case scenario is to try and stay true to the source and hope the quality is good enough that it attracts a loud fan base. Same way GoT got popular
>You have a market of people who were born after Halo with zero interest in the games, that's the market.
But why would they assume this is a valid market to try and tap? Especially since sci fi in general does not do well.
But it flopped
Betraying followers makes sense for the Halo franchise because it was originally supposed to make Macintosh a valid gaming platform but ended up being a frontrunner for helping Microsoft break out in the console market.
Let’s be honest. If Halo had been a Mac exclusive, gamers would have ignored it and called it gay. No sequels, no books, no tv show. At best, it would be the subject of a 2 hour video essay on YouTube as a “hidden gem” from years past.
2016 Ghostbusters
woah stop with the racist misogny dawg
why WHY does everything go back to trump for these morons they CANNOT stop thinking about him
All you need to know is, israelites, so glad israel is getting fiished as we speak, in a vg of course
Israel just got a convenient excuse to expand its territory with the backing of the USA. It is not finished at all.
lol this Hamas attack on Israel is the best thing that's happened for the Israel in a long time and they stand to benefit greatly.
Post-WW2 entertainment industries with the invention of the teenager
Literally only carried by Endgame hype
people actually paid to watch that garbage? I didn't see it but there's no way it could actually not only be good, but sell that many tickets because of the quality.
Your image doesn't discredit the other one. Whites are a minority.
Disney bought their own tickets en masses
Since the beginning of cinema. Have you seen adaptations ever? Lord of the Rings shocked everybody by being so faithful to the source, and it wasn't really that faithful. They were comparing it to stuff like Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, or Lynch's Dune, or The Neverending Story, or A Clockwork Orange.
>Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, or Lynch's Dune, or The Neverending Story, or A Clockwork Orange.
Difference is those are all good and they weren't made to spite their audience. Nor to push an ideology
>Difference is those are all good and they weren't made to spite their audience.
Uh... are you a child? The author of NeverEndinng story described the film as "revolting" and there was a lawsuit where he attempted to have production halted, his name removed, or some combination thereof. He was absolutely pissed at the movie.
Roald Dahl was pissed at Willy Wonka, and said that if he'd had more spine he would have told the director to "go to hell" earlier in production and walked off the set.
How is any of this news to people, that some of the most beloved movies ever made were absolutely despised by book fans or the people who wrote the book?
These movies were specifically made to spite the people who wrote the book. It was basically "Either get with the program, or frick off, Dahl."
The director of Willy Wonka said to Dahl that Charlie was a boring character and that the screenwriters were going to "jazz him up", which Dahl took poorly for some reason.
You can tell that there's this new breed on the internet who somehow think the movies they grew up on were faithful or respectful or whatever. This has never been the case, ever. The cast of the original Mission Impossible were very annoyed with Tom Cruise's version, which spitefully made the beloved hero of the original series a bad guy and then killed him so OC Ethan Hunt could be a badass.
To put things in perspective, this would be akin to Resident Evil Apocalypse having Jill be a traitor and having Alice shoot her in the face. Which those movies didn't do, but that's because Paul W.S. Anderson has a very insipid respect for source material where he's never willing to pervert or subvert it much. That's why his scripts often add OCs instead of warping existing characters to suit his needs.
Charlie's defining characterization is that he's the only one to obey the rules, and he gets rewarded for it. The movie changes this so he's as bad as all the others and wins only because the competition is rigged in his favor. Despite this it's not a bad movie but it's worse than the original book.
>the existance of people who dislike a new take is proff that it was make with contempt for the audience.
Cope, inbred.
I'll be more clear: it's the difference between Star Trek TNG and NuTrek
Charlie was a boring character but he was supposed to be 'the good kid'. the fizzy lifting drink part was moronic and Grandpa Joe is a fricking degenerate for that, but other than that, they didn't change him too much. removing his father was also dumb, but like I said, most of the movie is pretty close to the book. the movie also created a more iconic Wonka with Wilder and a more iconic oompa loompa with the outfits. the golden goose swap out was fine and the changes to the songs were fine. Wonka having the little flute and the added shrinking room was better than the book. Dahl is great, but the movie added to the legacy of Wonka.
The movie in no way detracts from the overall point and is in fact a more universal lesson because there is no child that just obeys all the rules. Children can relate more readily to Charlie of they movie because he does bad and regrets it, but redeems himself with honesty. Its a good ending, and if i fault Dahl as an author for anything its being too whimsical at times. I just watched it yesterday and its a top 5 movie of all time.
>mindless subversion for the sake of subversion is… le good
kys brain dead moron
The precursor at large was Legend of Korra, but its probably more accurate to say that it began with the female ghostbusters movie.
Jesus fricking Christ, Anon. Genuine question, how old are you?
The failure of Halo is entirely deserved.
But oh Lord does this suck. I hope someday someone makes a more faithful adaptation of Halo because it's music and aesthetics are wonderful.
r8 the pitch lads
>Episode 1: Combines missions 1 & 2 of CE, spend some time on the PoA before the battle begins developing a bunch of the marines, establishing their devastation and hopelessness after losing Reach, and fear/awe of Chief in his pod. PoA fight goes by in a flash (after all its one tiny cruiser vs a fleet), a lot of the marines die horrifically, episode ends as Foehammer picks up the sizeable force Chief has rescued and they promise to survive and defeat the covies
>Episodes 2, 3, 4: Stories from around the ring of different Marine and ODST detachments achieving different objectives to learn about the Ring or stop the Covenant. One of them does the Keyes rescue mission, one the assault on the Cartographer, and another examines a Forerunner archive which gives non-game fans some Forerunner context and also introduces Guilty Spark so he doesn't randomly show up out of nowhere at the end of the Flood level like in the game. Cortana is omnipresent around the Ring guiding each of the groups and is the glue that ties the thing together. All groups request Chief's help when things get heavy, but he only shows up in the Keyes/Cartographer missions. All marine groups take heavy casualties, the Archive group is wiped out completely which is what prompts Spark to wander off looking for more reclaimers.
cont.
>Episode 5: Assault on the control room. Big budget-busting fight with Scorpion tanks and Chief going fricking ape. Cortana goes a little schizo when she's plugged into the control room and isn't able to properly communicate as she sends Chief + Foehammer to the Library where Keyes is
>Episode 6: Combination of The Flood + Library. Don't have the Library be completely overrun for unexplained reasons, it's got the Flood on lockdown until Keyes and his bumblefricks open it with their Reclaimer privileges. Chief has the creepy helmet cam reveal of the Flood, as the swarm intelligently blocks his exits he ends up blindly fighting his way into the Library in a fruitless attempt to find Keyes, whereupon Spark gets him to take the Index
>Episode 7: Return to the control room: Cortana gets her shit together in time to stop Chief from inserting the Index and does the big Halo/Forerunner loredump, Spark + Sentinels become enemies, lots of the Marines who were left guarding the Control Room get wasted, Cortana rallies everyone to the Pillar of Autumn where Keyes is. Because there's no Truth and Reconciliation in this telling we also get huge fights between the Covenant force that was massing to take the Control Room back and the Flood so there's some Covie vs. Flood action. I should also mention Thel' Vadamee has been getting some screen time through all this and starts to lose his shit a bit here.
>Episode 8: Keyes' flood form has been taken to the Pillar of Autumn because the Flood is hoping to reactivate the ship. Plays out like the final level from the game except the surviving Marines have come back to their home to find it warping into a funhouse mirror hell. Sad music plays as Chief punches Keyes' skull out and uses the code to prime PoA's engines, Marines escape on a couple of pelicans but Chief is cut off by Sentinels and has to do the Warthog run to the Longsword hangar. Epilogue shit sets up Operation FIRST STRIKE stuff
FIN season one
Nah you straight avoid touching the core Master Chief plot for a while. Tell a story in the Halo universe that intersects with the established lore.
>Episode 1: Starts with from the POV of a Separatist Colony, refuses to believe anything about the Covenant. Tensions up are as the local UNSC Garrison is in a build up due to an incoming Covy attack. Episode ends with a skirmish between Separatists and UNSC.
>EP 2: As the UNSC is on it's way to flatten the Separatists, the Covy attack begins. Shit does not go well for the Humans (as usual). Episode ends with our core casts (some UNSC and some Seperatists) facing death before being saved by the arrival of ODSTs.
>EP 3: ODSTs and some UNSC Hero-Ship pull the survivors out, obligatory space battle, show off Slipstream jumps, ect...
>EP 4: Shows the Human factions established with the UNSC Ground and Separatists still not getting along, Crew of the ship are trying to hold the peace as they try to make it to Reach to re-arm and offload the survivors.
>EP 5,6: Slice of life on the Hero-Ship, spend some time building relationships. EP 6 heavily features all factions working to fix the ship to make the jump to Reach.
>EP 7: Opening shows the Chief entering cryosleep and the PoA jumping out, and a view of the destruction and Reach's fall. Really needs to hammer home how much the Covenant wrecks the UNSC. Ending is the Hero-Ship finally arriving after the battle.
>EP 8: Debate/Crisis of faith on seeing the destruction. Moral issues about salvaging from the dead. Episode and Season ends with the decision to jump to Earth.
Season 1 has them miss the "fun" at Reach, Season 2 would have them be there on Earth during the build up and covenant Invasion, ending with the Chief's landfall.
The show allude to and be built around the game, but it shouldn't just retell the game's story.
They figured out that losers will still consume the slop they've been trained to consume even if it spits in their face. So then they can shove anything they want into it
>They figured out that losers will still consume the slop they've been trained to consume even if it spits in their face
But this didn't happen.
this could actually be based though. like if they took the Halo universe and made a gritty noire on a random planet with completely normal looking people who are normally dressed but every once in a while you just see a spartan walking down the street in the background and no one mentions it because it's not super our of the ordinary for them
The halo TV show is genuinely the worst video product in history and it's not even close. Ambatakum is a better cinematic experience, because at least SOMEBODY enjoyed themselves as a result of its existence.
>The halo TV show is genuinely the worst video product in history
It has like a 7 on IMDB and apparently Paramount were happy with its ratings. I watched some of it, and it seemed fine, if a bit derivative, but that's a problem the games seem to have, too. I played Halo 1 for the first time last year and I found zero original ideas. It's like the Evangelion of space marine games.
>propaganda
>propaganda
>anecdote to support propaganda
have a nice day
>in a show about a supersoldier against an overwhelming religious alien menace
>a man gets naked and screams a lot while doing things unrelated to this
>studio bots leave positive reviews
>and I, a real human for sure, say the games are the same
The Halo TV how's only defender, ladies and xirs
>>in a show about a supersoldier against an overwhelming religious alien menace
That doesn't seem to be what the TV show is about. That's more the games, I think. The TV show seems to be heavily "inspired" by that Kurt Russel film from the 90s made by the guy who made Resident Evil. He's the supersoldier who goes rogue against his creators. The aliens aren't really the thread in the TV show from what I could see. They're just the inverse of the human space nazi government.
I think some Halo fans were thrown because they expected, maybe the show to be story-wise like the games. But the games are more of an unironic Starship Troopers ripoff. The later ones by the other dev might be more sophisticated.
>we made a show named after a game series with the main character in both
>we changed the entirety of the main character, setting and tone
>its not successful
>time for propaganda
>we made a show named after a game series with the main character in both
>we changed the entirety of the main character, setting and tone
It worked for The Crow. Thematically, the two works are polar opposites. The setting is changed. Most of the characters are either completely changed or created by the film writers. And it's a goddamn masterpiece. I do look forward to the Rupert Sanders remake, though.
>>its not successful
That's a lie, though. The show was successful. You should rethink your entire argument. If the show gets cancelled, you've got a good argument. But that hasn't happened yet.
>it is successful
Come up with better lies you c**t.
>It worked for The Crow.
The audience isn't attached to the original work, tho, moron.
The iconic piece is the movie. That's why the remake will be shat on for being bad compared to the movie, even if it's accurate to the comic.
>we made a product that is different from what it's named after
>it isn't good
>people don't watch it
>damage control
Why do you (wrongly) keep insisting that people didn't watch the Halo show? Do you really think that repeating it over and over will somehow make it true?
>why do you (wrongly) insist that people didn't watch a rejected failure where the creator was fired for incompetence after numerous failures in this franchise?
Holy crap is this actually Kiki xirself? If it is:
have a nice day you worthless c**t
Microsoft fired all the Halo campaign devs because they think the Halo TV show is the only version of Halo that has a future. They want to shift Halo to an MP-only game series with the TV show doing all the heavy lifting keeping it culturally relevant.
Paramount are also working on spinoff shows for the Halo show.
>maybe if I state the opposite of objective reality that'll look good
No it won't, go frick yourself Kiki.
Anon, Microsoft firing all the SP devs is a blunt fact. Are you brain damaged? They fired 95 people and targeted SP devs, leaving the SP team behind.
https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/31/23579819/microsoft-layoffs-halo-343-industries-tatanka-unreal-engine
343 can't make a singleplayer Halo game anymore. MS fired all the people at the studio responsible for that stuff.
>uhhh they fired some people for failure but that doesn't mean the people they fired that made the product I shill made a failure
>The later ones by the other dev might be more sophisticated.
they try to be. only 4 somewhat succeeds at this
No offense but you come off as a stupid person
The only way I can see you having this opinion is if you exclusively saw the Kwan-Ha subplot and nothing to do with Mastet Chief Bokeem Woodbine saved that plotline and it would have worked great as its own "From the world of Halo" spin-off series, fight me about it.
So many buzzwords, so much bullshit crammed into just a few sentences. You are true master baiter, I salute you anon.
If youre a halo fan its a 0/10 but as general scifi its a 5/10 and probably novel to an untrained audience since its the Mass Effect lore repurposed.
I never played a halo game but the cuckoldry was too much for me. None of my normalgay friends enjoyed it either. We could tell we were being propagandized.
More normalgays equals an absolute shitload of cash.
Other examples : rick and morty, the witcher, that weird trek show with quips humor, star wars, john wick, indiana johnes, etc.
It always happens as soon as the first movie/game/iteration makes a lot of money, and it always happened, even in the past.
To give a date : let's say post-war, because cultured started being shared in great quantity through tv.
Why stop there?
after the new bloated audience get the cash in, the IP gets bastardized and loses it's appeal. Then cash keep diminishing and the budget/effort to keep it artificially alive keep increasing.
The IP is never good again and when the camel's back breacks, it dies and become unprofitable.
I will never understand the ego these people have, that when they're given an established IP with laid out blueprints to make it successful, they have to "make it their own" and try to change it to fit a modern audience. Hopefully with the last of us being successful they might learn.
The Last of Us has lasted one season so far. The Walking Dead has lasted 10+ seasons and the best regarded season in the entire show was the one where the showrunnner ignored the comics and his own thing, but then he got fired over budget disputes and his replacements started copypasting comic storylines because it was easier. Let's see how Season 2 of TLOU goes, shall we?
The outrage was all PC, Xbox, and Nintendo gays because they had no games to play as usual. Tv audiences will not react the same way.
>I will never understand the ego these people have
Of course you wouldn't, because you just see that screencap OP and think gee, why do these idiots and hacks think they're so much better than video games and ignore everything about them?
When in the actual interview it's "we spent days with the devs learning everything we could about the characters, story and lore then figured out how we could use that in a completely different medium"
Like why would you compare it to Last of Us, those games are 30 minute cutscenes with 90 minutes of tedious zombie killing inbetween, the series just removed that shit
I wasn't even going off the pic homie. I was going off the show they actually put out.
your numbers are backwards
Halo has a story?
It does, and it isn't
>man gets naked and yells at people a lot while not wearing power armor
A pretty basic story, yeah. The expanded universe before 343 had pretty good stories.
I still don’t understand why they didn’t just copy fall of reach for the show. They had Kelly as a strong independent woman and they could’ve just made Sam a Black person for their diversity retcon fetish.
No ESG $ and no Kiki signoff
Fall of Reach is an alien invasion story. It's basically Battle Los Angeles on an alien planet. That's not a story anyone is interested in telling. They wanted to make a TV show about a supersoldier who rebels against his space Nazi controllers. That's the pitch. They were never going to make a Halo adaptation where the Covenant are the bad guys. The angle was always going to be that humanity are the real bad guys, or that the two sides are just as bad.
>The angle was always going to be that humanity are the real bad guys, or that the two sides are just as bad.
The sad part is that that could have put in the show while still staying mostly faithful to the source. I still don't get their hardon for trying to humanize the Spartans in both the show and game.
The best part of the show is how the source material has a widely loved black character in sergeant johnson, yet they didn't bother using him, and instead just make captain keyes a Black person.
Because Johnson is a boring character. He's a ripoff of Aliens with zero depth who brings nothing to the table. He was never going to appear in a Halo show unless they used him as some kind of parody where he shows up for 10 seconds and then dies.
>and instead just make captain keyes a Black person.
That was the whole point.
It's called subversion, a basic demoralization tactic. It's not enough that you love black people, you must love THEIR token black people. Johnson was created by and liked by white nerds, therefore he must be reshaped and molded into a new golem wholly subservient to its new master.
Halo is a bunch of random sci-fi books and movies and games mashed together with terrible writing, terrible characters, and the first three games are barely holding together plot-wise due to rushed development. They made more Halo games, and the plot just got stupider and more reliant on reading books to make sense. They've completely given up after the recent soft reboot, Halo: Infinite. MS fired all the people at 343 responsible for singleplayer. And they have no plans for more Halo SP games.
>they
There is no "they". The devs staff ended the plot at halo 3. It was basic, but complete and coherent.
Everything since is nonsense to make a buck.
>terrible characters
idk man the arbiter is pretty cool, as are a few others
>he didn't play marathon
>he doesn't know about the meta-plot
NGMI
Yeah something resembling an 80/90s action sci fi movie nothing thats gunna blow anyone socks off but pretty fun. Hell I don't think its a stretch to say Halo 2 is the most quotable game ever made.
Pre343 halo has a pretty rich expanded universe. Show would have done way better if it had started with the creation of the spartan 2 program. Like in my head a show that jumped between the fall of reach and spartan training would have worked way better than the shit we got.
>have a popular franchise
>change it
>...
>where did the fans go??
ITT: shills attempt to defend picrel
Cinemaphile is thoroughly infiltrated
Guess this means it's valuable
I love the Starship Troopers movie and it's the literal definition of that image. Some of us aren't children, that's why.
if you went into see blue and you got red and you loved it because of how blue it was then you're just moronic
I judge blue on its own merits. It's like throwing a tantrum because Forrest Gump is completely different to the book. Anyone who complains about Forrest Gump because it pisses all over the book is a child. The priority should be make the best movie you can. Kill the book if you have to.
Halo how's own merits are it's crap
Try again
Halo is crap. I don't know why they tried to adapt it. But here we are.
The fact a studio employee thinks this explains why the show sucked
You couldn't be a more obvious shill if you tried. I demand better propaganda.
>Some of us aren't children
Says the adult running defense for Hollywood.
Isn't Starship Troopers by a Dutchman?
>If you're not going to try appealing to the fanbase that's already there what's the point of adapting the IP?
Money. Lots and lots of money. Look at the number of people who have read "The Crow" vs the number of people who have seen the (very unfaithful) Brandon Lee film adaptation. It's not comparable. This niche, niche grimdark comic book became a sensation. Albeit by throwing out a major chunk of said comic.
>Might as well create a new series.
Your job is to leverage the IP.
Did you like the book though or did you just want to see it get ripped to shreds
>MR NOSENSTEIN THEY WONT STOP MAKING FUN OF NEXT PRODUCT WHAT DO I DO
> "So I never felt limited by it being a game."
The problem is that these writers and showrunners want to have creative freedom in an industry that has tended to restrict new shows/movies almost exclusively to reboots, sequels, and adaptions for the past 20 years. The writers are trying to break those creative restrictions by flat out ignoring everything but the most superficial elements of an existing franchise to push their ideas through, and the end result is dogshit because it subverts the viewer's expectations in a negative way.
The solution to this is that if studios want to create a TV adaption of an existing franchise, they should hire a dedicated team that will rigidly adapt the source material explicitly. And be more selective to hire writers that want 'creative freedom' if they're working a completely new property.
And finally, these writers should try to get more work doing independent projects with more creative freedom than trying to shoehorn their ideas in big studio adaptions of existing IP.
Can't try new things in Hollywood, plus you get the added benefit of subverting things nerdy white males liked. It's a win/win.
Okay, but what happens when the change affected is "my conscious bias is I hate this garbage" and it turns the unconscious bias to "Women and brown people ruin the things I enjoy"?
All they had to do was follow the damn games. The script was basically written already. Chief isn't a mute like Gordon Freeman or Doomguy. Cortana is there for exposition and conversation, Sgt. Johnson is there for diversity and B-plots. There's a reason people love the games (or at least love 1-3).
> Sgt. Johnson is there for diversity
No he's not, he's there to be the satirical 'sarge' military sci-fi archetype/homage.
And he grew into his own. He was and is beloved.
>The script was basically written already.
The script is terrible.
>Chief isn't a mute like Gordon Freeman or Doomguy.
He's completely one dimensional. He was written as a shallow self-insert.
>There's a reason people love the games (or at least love 1-3).
Because they have low standards. This is the case with most videogame writing. Wait until they try to adapt Metal Gear's horseshit writing into a movie people will pay money for.
Anon, we live in a world where people pretend that the 2012 Judge Dredd movie wasn't a massive flop because they like it. They pretend that the Halo show was a failure because they didn't like it. They live in bubbles. Look at the people complaining about the new Castlevania show, which just got renewed for a second season.
>I'm a contrarian look at me
The problem is people still think that a halo IP has to have the chief as the main character when in reality he's just set dressing.
You're right, let's make teenage brown native girl who's the leader of a left-wing resistance movement as the main protagonist.
That's just going to the complete opposite extreme.
Master Chief has aesthetic value that's hard to pass up. Also, they obviously want to leverage the Hook angle. Remember that 343's version of Halo changed Cortana from Jane (Ender's Game) to Tinkerbell from Hook. The whole thing of Chief falling in love in the TV show parallels Tink's jealousy but acceptance that she can't be with Peter because she's a fairy and he's a human.
The whole angle of Cortana loving Chief while being like the AI from UPGRADE was an angle they obviously wanna lean on because it's imagery that can play well... in theory.
That's so fricking moronic.
>Anon, we live in a world where people pretend that the 2012 Judge Dredd movie wasn't a massive flop because they like it. They pretend that the Halo show was a failure because they didn't like it.
we live in a world where we are so separate and atomised that thinking like this has become the only way to survive.
insist your worldview on others or they will insist theirs upon you.
>but i'm right!
nobody cares. right/wrong is impossible to determine with certainty because nearly every number, every claim, every assertion is made by a stupid lying monkey. if 8 trillion tons of fake gold were distributed across the world, physically and visually identical but a SHIT conductor, gold's value would plummet.
welcome to the post-information era. the value of information plummeted a few years ago. how do we solve THAT?
>doesn't understand why Dredd failed or why it became a cult classic
>shills goyflix
>has the gall to accuse others of living in a bubble
The discord troons aren't bringing their best.
Dude you and your co-worker seriously need to learn how to blend in better, reading your posts is giving my second hand embarrassment.
>Sergeant Johnson is there for diversity
Ask how I know you weren't alive in 2001
I don't know when it started, but pic related is such a great example. They should've made it into a tv show that stuck to the book instead blowing all the money on the IP, and casting Brad Pitt to do some action slop.
World War Z is the highest grossing zombie film of all time, with 540 million. The only film that grossed more was I Am Legend, which is even more unfaithful to the book it was based on.
The rest of the "top 10 grossing zombie films" list is composed primarily of Resident Evil movies.
>They should've made it into a tv show that stuck to the book
Give a SINGLE reason why following the book would have been a good idea.
>instead blowing all the money on the IP
They didn't blow money on the IP. They blew like 70+ million reshooting the entire third act to make it less like the book because when they did try to mimic the book, it sucked.
>when the piling up on themselves fast zombies were applied to the end of a book about slow zombies, it was bad
you're a total fricking clown and yet i'm not chuckling
No, World War Z originally had a completely different third act set in Russia with anti-zombie press gang soldiers. They shot it, it didn't work, they completely threw it out, and reshot everything after he boards the plane. The final movie is awesome, so it was the right choice. But it cost a LOT of money to fix the movie.
When China banned zombie films in 2013ish the studio got cold feet about World War Z 2.
> The final movie is awesome,
No it wasn’t
>it made money, therefore it was good
It made money, therefore it was what people wanted, is the better argument. The film actually lost money because it was stupidly expensive to make. But the fact is, audiences want PG-13, action packed zombie movies. They don't want George Romero movies or 28 Weeks Later. The only films that defied this were the Resident Evil films, but they were kind of a soft R.
> it was what people wanted,
It was released during the height of the zombie craze, so it made money. That doesn’t mean that the movie was good because it was absolutely terrible.
>It was released during the height of the zombie craze, so it made money.
What zombie craze? The date range for this zombie craze seems completely arbitrary.
The zombie craze ushered in by the walking dead. Don't act dumb, it's unbecoming.
That's an interesting argument, but I Am Legend released in 2007. The Walking Dead first aired in 2010. I Am Legend grossed 585 million dollars.
I Am Legend is about vampires.
Not only that it was a will smith vehicle when his name still carried weight. Zombie craze started in earnest with walking dead.
Oh shut the frick up you moron. The late 200s and early 2010s had a zombie craze
https://gamerant.com/walking-dead-outlived-zombie-craze/
Shhh anon they were in elementary school when this happened, they dont know what the world was like pre-2012.
nobody remembers anything from wwz except for the absurd scene with a literal tidal wave of zombies flooding into israel
>It made money, therefore the marketing was viral and budget high
fixed
So it didnt make a profit but it was what people wanted? How is that logical? Meanwhile the movies you deride cost less and made more dollar per dollar. You arent a businessman stop acting like one.
all you are doing is mentioning bad movies with no staying power.
At best you are proving that marketing has some effect on modern cattle audience.
>Give a SINGLE reason why following the book would have been a good idea.
Because that's the entire reason why THE FRICKING BOOK was popular. Why buy the rights for a POPULAR BOOK and not use the story?
Fool me once. They had a household name and Brad Pitt attached. They managed to fool the public for a couple weekends. But did they make a sequel? What was the critical reception? Where was the social relevance?
When they realized that they can keep bullying and humilliating nerds because they will keep consuming media
>this one guy defending a garbage show this hard
it's ok to have bad taste, but you cant convince us that the Halo tv show was any good
Nolan's Batman movies. It celebrated rejecting its comic roots and the movies were celebrated. Then post those movies Hollywood spend years and years thinking that rejecting the source material and making things more "serious" was the better way.
lmao what kind of insane point of view is this? those movies didn't in any way reject their comic roots, they're filled to the brim with shit honoring them
the series ended with a 'serious' version of the ending of batman 1966!
Those movies hated their comic roots. It was Nolan taking the comics and draining the life out of them to make them bleak, colorless, and overly serious and people ate it up. It spawned endless "fanboys" hating anything that had an ounce of color or comic-y elements as being stupid.
are you just a wikipedia tourist or something
Those movies didn't make up the name "the dark knight", it's literally the namesake of a famous batman comic that turned batman grimdark and dystopian and influenced how batman has been seen ever since
You didnt like the aesthetic so that makes it untrue to the spirit? It spoke SPECIFICALLY to the core themes of Batman! THEMES ARE THE POINT OF STORYTELLING!
Fricking Halo show has all the visual fixings correct but its still terrible! Why? Because it abandons the themes of its parent work in favor of revolutionary-chic modern storytelling. Simply put, you are a PLEB.
Because the showrunners and writers don't want to be chained to the previous content. This is even stronger when we're talking about videogames, the perceived lowest of the low in writing. They think they are artists, they want to write their own grand story, and if established lore gets in the way they will run it over.
If the fans don't like it they are just uncultured swine (an probably racist).
It's part egomania and part they are totally talentless. Imagine your job being paint by numbers tier and you still frick it up
So a bunch of basic white women got wine drunk and wrote this show?
Explains the bad guy armor looking like wiener and balls.
OMG that picture IS hil-air!
>this hilarious picture
I'm beginning to understand why this show failed.
He's right though, a good game has a good world and characters. You don't need to talk about the game to make a series about something, they could make some interesting TV series out of Dark Souls and Skyrim lore and never reference the games.
Shame they failed with halo.
The actual interviews with the Halo TV show people show that they were very intelligent, tried really hard to study the games and books, with a special focus on the books, and it turns out that the Halo game fanbase is full of barely literate morons. The show had production issues and super late rewrites and the people who made it weren't entirely happy with S1. But end of the day, they did their jobs. Hopefully Season 2 is more stable. But the fact is, the worst thing they could do is listen to Halo game fans about where to take the story. Let professional writers do their jobs. Focus on being less cliched (meaning take less from the games).
the season is full of complete nonsense, like the absurd blackmail in the early eps that literally make absolutely no sense whatsoever. porn parodies feel more realistic and intelligent
Any time I see someone claiming the show writers got it wrong I remember every time I read some drooling idiot claim the show should have had Chief never ever take his helmet off and that he should have followed his orders without question and shot that kid
mandalorian season 1 and most of season 2 worked great with a main character that never took off his helmet, so you’re wrong
>Let professional writers do their jobs.
Only if they were competent. But instead we got a human covenant and a master chief that fricks.
>But instead we got a human covenant and a master chief that fricks.
I'm failing to see the problem here. The only people who complain about this are game fans. They're like the Spider-Man fans who whined about the planned James Cameron version of Spider-Man with organic web shooters, spider-wet-dreams, and fricking Mary Jane on the Brooklyn Bridge.
>you like the subject matter which was extremely successful
>you don't like this failed series
>therefore you are bad
Shill
Explain what is wrong with the show rewriting the Covenant's motivations so they have Makee, who is the Covenant counterpart of John? What is the concrete, in-show-universe problem with this choice?
The whole idea of discovering that the bad guys have a version of you, and this making you wonder if you're similarly manipulated is hardly an unusual story trope.
the prophets started the war to cover up the fact that humans, not the covenant, were picked to take the forerunners’ place, right? so keeping a human in order to access forerunner tech would be an admission of that. even if it’s not broadcast to everyone, some ayys not in on the secret would certainly get suspicious, no? since their stated mission is to kill every last human
There's no point in having a discussion with that anon. He won't change his POV and will always resort to some "nuh-uh, prove me wrong" argument. The fact is that regardless of what changes they made, they were competent enough to make it compelling.
>they WEREN'T competent enough to make it compelling.
I meant this.
ah, got you. i’m this guy
it’s an interesting idea on paper but it doesn’t work imo for the reasons i gave. and besides, the games already had a covenant counterpart to the MC with the arbiter, who was also an alien
I agree with you. I'm just saying that a change like that could work if done right, but not when it's done just for the sake of it. Like there was no compelling reason to do it, like much of the show.
>explain what is wrong with misrepresenting what this product is about with the name itself
have a nice day
>the interviews showed that the staff tried hard to study the game
Frick off kiki
You could have just said you refuse to read the interview you illiterate moron
>no u
Convincing no one
>with a special focus on the books, and it turns out that the Halo game fanbase is full of barely literate morons
I'm gonna assume they are too since tge butchered book characters personalities and the background plot in general.
The books have nothing to do with Chief fricking a Covenant spy, anon, and you know this.
if the Keyes actor grew a stache he'd make a fine sgt Johnson
>chief already had a team with two women on it
>don't use them and make OCs
All you have to really say about how much the writers actually looked into the setting.
Why did everyone else get specialized armour while chef had the basic one until nanomachines fricked it?
Spartans can and do customize their armor for what their best at. Chief never needed more than the standard.
>When, exactly
When millennials became writers. Grew up thinking they're special, and that they "have a story to tell". Then they get their first writing gig and was like "We're supposed to adapt this space fascist game!?!! NO! I want to tell a gay love story"
it’s funny too when you realize the games have you fighting religious zealots whose inspiration is clearly more christian than islamic
>religious zealots whose inspiration is clearly more christian than islamic
plz explain.
the collective of ayys you fight are literally called the covenant. they worship ringworlds called halos. the thrones the ruling ayys, which are referred to as both the “prophets” and the “hierarchs”, sit on look like high-tech floating medieval european thrones. in cutscenes the ayys talk about “heresy” and “desecration”. in another cutscene you see a prophet singing in his native language and it sounds like gregorian chanting, much like the main theme song of the game. the rhetoric they use about their ultimate goal, “the great journey”, sounds like some christian millenarian cult
My only problem was they Surf Dracula'd it, you can't finish a season and not be even have Fall of Reach at least in motion.
I think that in the show, it's going to be about destroying Halo before the human military can get it. But there's another Halo so we can have 10 seasons of this.
They shot S2 in Iceland. Maybe they're gonna use Iceland as a stand-in for Halo's biome? Very Death Stranding of them.
Oh, I didn't know they shot there, that would match what Halo looked like in MC's vision of it
1998
literally no one liked that godzilla movie though, not the guys making it, not the guys in it, not the guys watching it.
>Halo thread
>Ctrl F
>resident evil
Every single time
DOWN WITH RESIDENT EVIL FIVE
Resident Evil movies are trash but we all watched them. Nobody has ever claimed they are good. Sometimes you eat steak, sometimes you eat McDonalds.
Nah, real white guys would love Finn, all things considered.
I swear this only happens to video games for some reason. It's when losers at the bottom of hollywood still want another caste of losers beneath them.
Video game and anime adaptations are hit the hardest because those two mediums are growing in popularity, and Hollywood gays are jealous.
There's nothing wrong with that particular quote, but from what I saw, they didn't pay any attention to the GAME'S characters or the GAME'S world.
You can read any Eric Nylund novel and they fit very well if your only Halo story material is through the games. The show is just antithetical to that.
Gamers: we'll complain but watch/play it anyway
Gamers: we make 22 hr youtube videos about it but we'll play/watch it anyway
Gamers: we say we're boycotting but we'll play/watch it anyway.
Women in management don't want to market products to nerds because they're gross and it makes them look gross by proxy. That's why there's a constant passive aggressive attitudes and long lasting grudges towards fans, and why there's no adherence to the source material and self inserted girl bosses in everything. If you give a boy Halo toys, he's going to play with them in character. If you give them to a little girl, she's going to make Masterchief have a tea party with the Arbiter while they babysit Kelly until Barbie comes back home from her shopping spree. Women don't like or care about media they can't insert themselves into. They gravitate towards series with settings where they would like to live, like Harry Potter, and they don't care about the heros journey or self improvement through hard work. They prefer seeing a character with an innate hidden specialness that others are fighting for. Rey from the sequels is an amalgamation of what women think they want to see, but when it comes down to it, they're only actually interested in seeing attractive men onscreen.
i remember back in like '07 b***hing about the NHL doing this. they basically eliminated fighting and made the game more and more gay to try and get teenage girls to buy merch
Halo 2 is the greatest game ever made
During the ZIRP period of 2010-2020, where actual profits didn't matter and things were bankrolled by agendas. We are regressing back to the mean now, and people are going to learn that failure hurts the hard way. We might see good TV/film in 8 years at this rate once they pull their heads out of their asses.
It's good to show contempt for your audience.
>did 0 research on source material and what made it popular by the FANS
gee, I wonder why it failed?
Anon the show is set years before the first game and the earliest game. To put it in perspective the Covenant don't even know where Reach is but attack three different colonies in the show, you see the creation of Cortana and we get an early look at 343 Guilty Spark. They did look at the books, comics and lore written during the same time period of the show to inform their version of the story in the alternate Silver Timeline.
i would say the late 80s early 90s is when it started but i want to say it was either 07 or 2010 when it was more explicitly stated even the Nolan batman movie he was very open about his disgusts with having the batman costume being used in scenes
most halo things ive seen had nothing to do with the games (as far as i know anyway, as a non-conaisseur) and were still fricking dank as hell. The Halo universe is fricking huge, and it's pretty based to begin with. So maybe its not too bad?
I'm not a Halo fan, but I do despise writers, so I'm boycotting this in solidarity with the Halo fans.
>Schwarzenegger on Conan
>respect the source material and try to make the best movie possible, the fans of the comic book are a priority, if they like the movie, they will spread the word
>this was 1982
>fast forward to now and suits still can't get this lesson
Conan was based on short stories not comic books.
Conan was known as much for the comics by that point as it was for the short stories. Savage Sword of Conan was a huge money maker for Marvel, and since it was a magazine its reach was even further than, say, Uncanny X-Men, which was one of the most popular titles of the day.
Why do you morons not realize that the expected audience of an adaptation is not necessarily the audience of the source material?
>I, Robot was for American teenagers and young adults who thought Will Smith was cool, not people who read Asimov.
>The MCU is for kids and teenagers who like colorful action, not people who read comic books in the 70's and 80's.
>The Witcher is for young men/women who maybe played or heard about a video game once, not people who read old Polish fantasy novels.
These things are always made for the general public. The people who adapt them don't pander to niche fandoms because they are niche.
But who was the target of the halo series? General audiences hate sci-fi as a rule so you've already lost them from the get go. After that you'll have sci-fi fans who are most likely going to be aware of halo and either be fans or against it. Thus you've come to the main audience, people who are fans of halo.
>halo
>niche
lol
lmao
Tbf the deep lore in Halo is pretty niche, most people spent the majority of their time with the game third partying their own teammates to go for cheap multikills.
anon the peak of Halo was almost 20 years ago
most zoomers have never played a Halo game
and most people who did play halo games probably couldn't tell you the plot off of the top of their head
Zoomers aren't the ones the show was supposed to be made for or the ones spending money or having disposable income.
The overwhelming majority of content is made to be marketed toward the youth, anon, specifically because they have no concept of money and how much things cost. There's no better word of mouth marketing than having a child beg their father with a stable job and income for a new toy or TV show to watch.
That is incorrect, the entire capeshit industrial complex was aimed straight at millennials. This is undeniable fact, they are the ones who spend all the money on funkopops and other bullshit. Zoomers don't give a frick about any of this shit. They are throwing their money at npc streamers on tictok. It's time to update your programming propaganda, you are far off the mark.
You spend too much time on the internet.
And with that our conversation is now complete, your concession has been duly noted and accepted.
You didn't make any point, you just said "nuh-uh, you're wrong" when every single marketing class focuses almost entirely on how to market products in a kid-friendly way to get the middle-aged adults with the majority of the buying power in this country to pay for it.
Anybody who spends enough time on Cinemaphile to where they don't realize that the majority of marketing in the world is tailored toward people with kids and not broke people in studio apartments is 100% disconnected from reality worse than the rest of us.
Nobody who posts on Cinemaphile has the right to say anyone spends too much time online. You're an idiot.
But they dont anymore. Studios and execs are ignorant of what the youth spends most of their money on, and thats drugs. Entertainment is free on youtube and tiktok, they could give a frick what happens on streaming service #8.
modern liberals don't know how to run a business
only corporate rats can be liberals because there's so much shitty shit you can do to lie on corporate taxes, sales and use taxes for local jurisdictions
t. Mid size business accountant (60 people in our business in HVAC/plumbing)
even the brown girls in our business vote red since they actually see how much money gets wasted by the govt
whenever disney bought marvel
the sony leaks really are required reading imo. you really see how out of touch these morons are.