It'd have to be a miniseries of 6-7 1.5 hr episodes, followed by a second season that starts just as they reach the time tombs. My dream version would be different directors for each episode to capture the unique feel of each stories narrator
>The Priest
Werner Herzog- he's made multiple movies about journeying into savage untamed lands >The Soldier
Michael Bay- its all military spectacle with action and angles and explosions >The Consul
James Cameron-lets be honest it's a remake of Avatar no matter what you do >The Detective
Christopher Nolan- mind-bending visuals wrapped around a detective story is half his resume >The Scholar
Darren Arenofsky- nothing really happens but it's depressing all the same >The Poet
Rian Johnson- Silenus is who Rian Johnson wishes he was, so I think he'd do a good job SuBvErTiNg himself
I'd cast Christian Bale, Idris Elba, Ryan Gosling, Gina Carano, Judd Hirsh (if he's still alive; David Krumoltz if he isnt) and James Franco as the main cast, along with Warwick Davis as the Three Score and Ten.
Also Leslie Jones as the Shrike because it's brilliant
Not true at all. The entire premise of "Canterbury Tales in space" worked well. The wooden ship thing was neat. The electric trees, the weird star fish things. I loved it havent read the sequels tho
Nothing about Hyperion works well.
The closest to a story of any interest is the priest one and it just doesn't work at all.
The second it starts going on about AI it goes full dogshit and never stops.
The whole AI-demigods element, the spacers society, the worldbuilding with the stable-gates, the poets city. All are cool concepts and the characters are all interesting in their own way.
The fact that all of the mystery in the first book just devolved into 'the moronic AIs planned it all' ruins the entire series thing for me.
And that's without mentioning Endymion.
Hot take but I genuinely love heretics of Dune. Don't get me wrong, it's easily the second weakest book (children of dune was a chore to get through) but it's such a batshit insane fun read
>heretical
Welcome to Templar Lore. The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail is to your left, and The Da Vinci Code is down the hall to the right and out into the alley where a black gentleman is currently shitting it out.
The second book is great like the first and does a good job wrapping up the arcs. I never read the 3rd and 4th.
I'm reading it now. Why it needs to be so fricking edgy? I'm on the Martin Silenus story. Let me guess, people impaled by the Shrike on the time tree don't die but suffer for all eternity?
There's something wrong with the author. I had fun reading about those goofy Bikura morons, but the death of Paul Dure was just incredibly tasteless.
There is edgy stuff (Simmons made Kassad frick Weintraub's adult daughter) but it isn't 2000's level edgy. I heard Simmons became a neocon kook and his modern writing turned to shit.
>mfw It’s a poetry chapter.
In all honesty I think it’s untranslatable to film without losing a lot of subtext. Most of the plot points won’t work on a visual medium, the John Keats self-masturbation got old by part two, but there were some very interesting concepts for the time. I haven’t read the other books he wrote in the same universe, too much of Part 1 and 2 focused almost entirely on the author’s sophomoric idea of trying to tie his gay obsession with classic poetry to some philosophical and existential storyline that didn’t ever hit. It’s like the “Lost” of 1980’s science fiction. You keep reading because you want answers but all the answers are fricking dumb and the journey to get them is tedious and unfulfilling.
It would suffer the same issues as the nu-Dune movies, a big budget TV series would work but would it attract audiences enough to pique interest is a question.
I enjoyed the first two but would never re-read them. I’ve heard Empyrion is more of a classic adventure, should I give it a shot chad-anon?
From what I heard the latter 2 are very different.
>The second book is great like the first and does a good job wrapping up the arcs.
Never read the second am I am sure you are wrong. First book is very good but halfway in its pretty obvious there's no way the author is wrapping up all these character mysteries in a satisfying way.
Better to read the first book, clap when it ends and never bother with the others again.
>The second book is great like the first and does a good job wrapping up the arcs.
No, the first one had the Chaucer-style framing device that held it together, reading the second one feels like having ADHD. It's all about warring artificial intelligences in the far future and the relationship between the characters actions and the eventual outcome becomes so vague it's not clear why you should even care.
The whole series didn't age well at all, along with most late-80s sci-fi.
It's fundamentally a story rooted in Cold-War angst about godless AI communism destroying the human spirit or whatever bullshit, and that doesn't really resonate at all with audiences anymore in the late-stage capitalist hellscape we live in.
hence the need to make it kino for he lightskins.
Will Cooper do the Needful?
or prostitute out the cgi to poostan and pump it like it looks like three body problem is going ?
Literally no point in waiting for the English adaptation of Three Body when the Tencent version is free and the book is in stores. >mfw they took it off Youtube
western society is becoming more and more like the hegemony of man every day, it's actually shocking to me how prescient Simmons' vision of the future was for 1989
I'm reading it now. Why it needs to be so fricking edgy? I'm on the Martin Silenus story. Let me guess, people impaled by the Shrike on the time tree don't die but suffer for all eternity?
There's something wrong with the author. I had fun reading about those goofy Bikura morons, but the death of Paul Dure was just incredibly tasteless.
Hyperion is one of those books that convention cliquesters have been shilling for ages but evenlit's SF&F gays consider it to be verging on a troll recommendation.
He's basically a horror author masked as a scifi guy. >The Shrike is omnipresent, all-powerful and kills people with his razor hands >Physically interchangeable with a slasher villain, >Pornographic interplay of violence and sex in the Palestinian dude's story >He almost fricks the Shrike or something >Cast of bastardly bastards
If nothing else, I think he did in half the page count whatever Hamilton was trying to do.
>what if Paul Atreides was a girl and a rape victim? >what if Aragorn was pouty? >what if I did Assassin's Apprentice but lecherously? >frick it, throw in some Lovecraft
>The Ousters were a highly advanced society that was made a boogie man because of Xenophobia. >Part one makes them out to be mindless invaders and describes them as Humanoid looking killers, possibly more evolved humans. >Part two has them with wings and some are snakes. >They have rainbow water bridges. >Suddenly it’s a magic carpet episode
>but the death of Paul Dure was just incredibly tasteless
Dure realized what was coming and decided he was going to go out on his own terms, no matter the cost
easily one of the most based deaths in fiction
>dude what if your girlfriend aged in reverse and she became a minor wouldn't that be weird ha ha lmao >dude what if she was getting turbofricked by a Palestinian in the future lmao
Dan? Are you okay?
I swear one third of scifi is about innocent speculation, another third is heroic or frightening adventure, and the last third is just using magitek to do questionable shit. Never change, frelling dredgenauts.
>mfw It’s a poetry chapter.
In all honesty I think it’s untranslatable to film without losing a lot of subtext. Most of the plot points won’t work on a visual medium, the John Keats self-masturbation got old by part two, but there were some very interesting concepts for the time. I haven’t read the other books he wrote in the same universe, too much of Part 1 and 2 focused almost entirely on the author’s sophomoric idea of trying to tie his gay obsession with classic poetry to some philosophical and existential storyline that didn’t ever hit. It’s like the “Lost” of 1980’s science fiction. You keep reading because you want answers but all the answers are fricking dumb and the journey to get them is tedious and unfulfilling.
Still not as bad as Harry Turtledove. That gooner would have had his tv show by now if he could just stop for one chapter. I am NOT that interested in Shakespeare's sex life; why is he?
You’re right the israelite one was great because it established the mystery of the Time Tombs. It just meandered a bit and I’m too much of a brainlet to slog through his Abraham ruminating. I thought his wife’s spaceship crash was a bit heavy handed too.
>he didn't like the poet's tale
somewhat bad taste >he didn't like the mansion where each room was on a different planet >he didn't like the esoteric consumerism culture where people buy entire office floors so they can remove all the walls and prance around naked
couldn't be me
His story just didn’t appeal to me too much, and the author never really wrapped up how Martin was “writing the shrike into existence with his cantos.” I liked the character in most interactions but not his POV. The poet’s city was interesting though. Him ending up on the Shrike Tree seemed like too much of an obvious punishment for his Hedonistic lifestyle. Sad King Billy wasn’t developed enough either in my opinion. Idk anon I honestly haven’t read in 10 years so I’m probably missing shit
>he didn't like the mansion where each room was on a different planet
It had very interesting concepts. But for every interesting concept it had two >SHIT! FRICK! SHIT!
It's been a very long time since I've read that book, but I remember just really not taking to that character for a number of reasons.
Meany Giamatti ! go get sideways !
I'd be the one the warrior one pretty sure he gets to bang the demon.
The priest / missionary plotline was crazy though ! Did you read the book anon or just troll-lo-loing
Who would be Martin Silenus I feel like that could be a great plot line too.
Would you think they would do simultaneous plotlines ?
IDK seems like converting to screenplay would be a b***h for film. And they would need a massive budget for TV / streaming. >DOES ANYONE know if Cooper has the Rights???
Maybe they'd just make it a series of tv movies.
I stole the consul pick from this jokester
>here's your Consul bro
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To funny. I mean I'm a Purefoy fan from Solomon to Marc Anthony and everything in between. Would be Kino to seem him in a series/ mini-series of this Sci-Fi Caliber.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=OMCi4tbjGc8
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He can be both stately and scary as shit when he wants to be. Literally perfect for the part where he, a seemingly simple functionary, beats the hell out of Silenus for being rude one too many times.
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I only read the first 2.
Would you say the whole Cantos is transferable to film ?
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I have read less of it than you have, lel.
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I mean lots of really cool concepts in the first and second. Just gets to dark and horrific. Not sure what ends up happening, I'll get the last two after reading this thread though.
Would be nice to get a decent Sci-Fi series this decade and have it pan out
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hope you enjoy it, fren. It's always eluded me in bookstores, but one day I may start again.
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Thanks Fren.
God bless and keep you on your journey through bookstores/ life. !
Idris Elba as Kassa-no I'm just fricking with you. >literally any rabbinical type as Weintraub >that guy who played the Paladin in the D&D movie as Kassad >James Purefoy as The Consul >Gina Carano as Lamia Brawne >Barry Keoghan as The Priest
Purefoy is Gold as Consul !!!!
Carano is awesome pick.... Not to sure on the Mick Keoghan but hell bet he can pull off endless suffering as good as the next guy. Would be interesting how they break up the books/ chapters and portray the shrike since it has so much personal enmity with each character. shit was terrifying.
I feel like Sad king Billy would be a kino story line. Same with the whole "AI Earth recreation Keats plotline"
Lots of cool casting options
this. >Raul is 27 >Aenea is 11, turning 12 >wears the consol's old shirt for pajamas and nothing else >spends intimate time with Raul in the ship together (seeing her shower, play games, tag, hide n seek, zero g wrestling, etc), naked swimming with her in zero g water sphere in space >rides on the magic carpet while she holds his shoulders and speaks softly into Raul's ear >Raul watches her by the campfire for hours while she slept >feels a jolt of electricity whenever they touch >shares body heat under a thermal blanket together in their underwear >she performed CPR on Raul >sometimes forgets she is still a child and remembers that she loves Raul romantically >actually kissed Raul on the lips while he was asleep
Can it be adapted? I know people love talking about Hyperion but this sequel is still fun and I'd love to see it on the big screen!
I'm reading it now. Why it needs to be so fricking edgy? I'm on the Martin Silenus story. Let me guess, people impaled by the Shrike on the time tree don't die but suffer for all eternity?
There's something wrong with the author. I had fun reading about those goofy Bikura morons, but the death of Paul Dure was just incredibly tasteless.
>the story where the POV character is a sublightspeed spaceman dating a planetbound girl >everytime he meets her she's gone up a whole phase of her life >he's hardly ten years older when she dies of old age >honors her memory by becoming an eco terrorist
Idc what the people say, that's a peak finale, bros.
The Consul has the worst characterization but the best arc. I loved the casual reveal that his spaceship is actually the only privately-owned intergalactic vessel in the entire hegemon
Father Hoyt has the best story though >unfathomably futuristic tale starts off by talking about a Catholic priest visiting a primitive tribe via wooden riverboat
that's my shit
If "the end of history" ever comes, I imagine it will look like Hyperion. Where there is simply very little left to do that we haven't done yet. But that's a blatant theme of the novel, so I'm cheating.
i read that book and endymion like 10 years ago, along with pandora's star and some piece of shit 60s book called "macroscope". literally the only books i've read as an adult and i totally forgot almost everything about them except lots of john keats, the priest guy and the binding of isaac thing with the israeli person. keep it real Cinemaphile
You must have been in a certain mood to read this and Pandora's Star together. They almost feel like an American and British answer to the same question to me, but I can't quite word the question just yet; I'm not reading another thousand pages just to finally be told The Starflyer is real and there's no actual way to stop the Dyson ayyys just yet.
I would like to see movies based on Stanislaw Lem's works: proper take on Solaris, The Invincible, The Futurological Congress, Eden, Fiasco, etc. Also, Moon is a Harsh Mistress and A Canticle for Leibowitz movies could be great, I think.
soldier's tale also had >VR military training that takes soldiers through accurate renditions of most major battles in human history >Ousters taking prisoners, sawing off their limbs for security reasons, and then plugging their brains into interrogation computers >the implications of time travel on squad-level tactics
Agreed, and some of the war room meetings were Kino while everybody tried to figure out the figure out the logistics of the time dilation and the Farcaster network locations
I'm also suddenly reminded of >fleet flagship's bridge is a full-room portal to the military headquarters underground on Mars
frick this series was cool
Also when Sol realizes Kassad has been telling stories about banging his 1 day old daughter in the future after he had to go through her childhood twice and watch his wife die
Kinda? Ousters are like the real evolution of humankind without any involvement of "god" but they mostly want to live in peace, is not like they have something against god or anyone unless they are attacking them.
The ideas are too complex beyond the cool imagery/concept of the Shrike.
Most audiences wouldn't understand the point of that dude continually dying while the crucifix creature keeps resurrecting him etc.
The Time Temples are pretty interesting, but the religious army or whatever that covets them isn't the sort of concept that makes for compelling villains/antagonist. A lot of SF and fantasy has orgs like that and they never translate well. See Raised by Wolves for the Sol cult. It's really not that interesting to sit through that stuff.
To make it mainstream ready the smart move would be to get rid of the space-faring stuff and just make it all happen on earth rooted in current day like a sudden catastrophe. The Time Temples appear, as does the Shrike. The dreams etc start. The political orgs attempt various methods of trying to control the encroaching chaos caused by the breakdown of time and space. They discover that, for whatever reason, sending candidates to the Shrikes calms the overall nature of the catastrophes going on.
From that, start rooting in the same character concepts, but not starting from a far future setting. Relatively normal people experiencing or dealing with the sudden shift in the nature of their reality. Like backwards aging children, pockets of space/time where people are devolving and all that.
Put the Time Temples and Shrike in Tibet or something to tie in with the Eastern/Western new agey (deconstructed) belief system overlaps. That way each character can demonstrate how coming from a different modern country shapes their journey to the same place.
Adding "Space Stuff" only serves to create even more distance between audience and character and the ideas they represent.
Not that any modern writers could handle any version of this. This would have to be an AI-assisted variation of a faithful from-the-novel AI-generated show.
Yeah idk the far future setting is the appeal. Suspension of disbelief in a Sci Fi show is to be expected.
Dumbing it down will not translate well in film just make it easier on screenwriters.
If they can't make a faithful story to the text they should wait.
>most people don't understand the symbolism
I think most people would catch on to the subtlety of a Catholic priest crucifying himself to escape the constant torture of real life
literally unfilmable
It'd have to be a miniseries of 6-7 1.5 hr episodes, followed by a second season that starts just as they reach the time tombs. My dream version would be different directors for each episode to capture the unique feel of each stories narrator
Hell yeah. So Cooper has the rights?
Think he could actually pull it off?
What would be your All-Star Director list ?
Any thoughts on Cast ?
>The Priest
Werner Herzog- he's made multiple movies about journeying into savage untamed lands
>The Soldier
Michael Bay- its all military spectacle with action and angles and explosions
>The Consul
James Cameron-lets be honest it's a remake of Avatar no matter what you do
>The Detective
Christopher Nolan- mind-bending visuals wrapped around a detective story is half his resume
>The Scholar
Darren Arenofsky- nothing really happens but it's depressing all the same
>The Poet
Rian Johnson- Silenus is who Rian Johnson wishes he was, so I think he'd do a good job SuBvErTiNg himself
I'd cast Christian Bale, Idris Elba, Ryan Gosling, Gina Carano, Judd Hirsh (if he's still alive; David Krumoltz if he isnt) and James Franco as the main cast, along with Warwick Davis as the Three Score and Ten.
Also Leslie Jones as the Shrike because it's brilliant
Thoughts on Pugh as Brawne? She has the short squat weird frame
>Thoughts on Pugh?
Ugh.
Thanks for the (Ugh)
Literally unreadable.
First one was great. The other two were unreadable.
>muh jesiuts
>muh girl jesus
Good lord.
The only thing of interest in the first one was the Shrike and that doesn't carry a book.
Not true at all. The entire premise of "Canterbury Tales in space" worked well. The wooden ship thing was neat. The electric trees, the weird star fish things. I loved it havent read the sequels tho
They're dope. Remember to always do the opposite of what Cinemaphile says
Nothing about Hyperion works well.
The closest to a story of any interest is the priest one and it just doesn't work at all.
The second it starts going on about AI it goes full dogshit and never stops.
Maybe you just don't like Sci fi
The whole AI-demigods element, the spacers society, the worldbuilding with the stable-gates, the poets city. All are cool concepts and the characters are all interesting in their own way.
The gates are Kino. Same with Torchships
The fact that all of the mystery in the first book just devolved into 'the moronic AIs planned it all' ruins the entire series thing for me.
And that's without mentioning Endymion.
>Jesus had uber blood that turned his followers into interstellar omnipresent demi-humans
Hmm
Even if it’s heretical I love it when science fantasy gets so schizophrenic it incorporates real life religion into the plot. Kino.
You'll love the last couple books of the Dune series
Hot take but I genuinely love heretics of Dune. Don't get me wrong, it's easily the second weakest book (children of dune was a chore to get through) but it's such a batshit insane fun read
>heretical
Welcome to Templar Lore. The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail is to your left, and The Da Vinci Code is down the hall to the right and out into the alley where a black gentleman is currently shitting it out.
God am I sick of everybody taking the slander of a tyrant king at face value. The Templars dindu nuffin.
Was Kino.
Christ is King.
Good Luck Brad
The second book is great like the first and does a good job wrapping up the arcs. I never read the 3rd and 4th.
There is edgy stuff (Simmons made Kassad frick Weintraub's adult daughter) but it isn't 2000's level edgy. I heard Simmons became a neocon kook and his modern writing turned to shit.
It would suffer the same issues as the nu-Dune movies, a big budget TV series would work but would it attract audiences enough to pique interest is a question.
From what I heard the latter 2 are very different.
>I heard Simmons became a neocon kook and his modern writing turned to shit.
his eurabia story is hilarious and you should read it
>The second book is great like the first and does a good job wrapping up the arcs.
Never read the second am I am sure you are wrong. First book is very good but halfway in its pretty obvious there's no way the author is wrapping up all these character mysteries in a satisfying way.
Better to read the first book, clap when it ends and never bother with the others again.
A John Keats Cyborg Did It
>The second book is great like the first and does a good job wrapping up the arcs.
No, the first one had the Chaucer-style framing device that held it together, reading the second one feels like having ADHD. It's all about warring artificial intelligences in the far future and the relationship between the characters actions and the eventual outcome becomes so vague it's not clear why you should even care.
I read the first 2 in my senior year of high school 6 years ago, so I guess that's why I don't recall the messiness.
First book dragged the frick on. The gimmick wore thin by the time the female assassin started telling her story.
The whole series didn't age well at all, along with most late-80s sci-fi.
It's fundamentally a story rooted in Cold-War angst about godless AI communism destroying the human spirit or whatever bullshit, and that doesn't really resonate at all with audiences anymore in the late-stage capitalist hellscape we live in.
>a story rooted in Cold-War angst about godless AI communism destroying the human spirit
sounds kino as frick, gotta read it
>complicated non-linear inverse timeline
yea, today's Black folk can't comprehend future tense much less conceptualize the Shrike.
hence the need to make it kino for he lightskins.
Will Cooper do the Needful?
or prostitute out the cgi to poostan and pump it like it looks like three body problem is going ?
Literally no point in waiting for the English adaptation of Three Body when the Tencent version is free and the book is in stores.
>mfw they took it off Youtube
western society is becoming more and more like the hegemony of man every day, it's actually shocking to me how prescient Simmons' vision of the future was for 1989
He predicted a government using CBDC to enforce compliance within the general population, "debanking" dissidents
>late-stage capitalist hellscape we live in
>when Uber Eats is five minutes late
I'm reading it now. Why it needs to be so fricking edgy? I'm on the Martin Silenus story. Let me guess, people impaled by the Shrike on the time tree don't die but suffer for all eternity?
There's something wrong with the author. I had fun reading about those goofy Bikura morons, but the death of Paul Dure was just incredibly tasteless.
In fact, this shit reminds me of anime. Japanese love this edgy crap. I think something similar happened to orphans in Fate Stay Night.
Well, I've got good news for you regarding the sequel
Hyperion is one of those books that convention cliquesters have been shilling for ages but evenlit's SF&F gays consider it to be verging on a troll recommendation.
because it can troll you into reading three more books instead of stopping
He's basically a horror author masked as a scifi guy.
>The Shrike is omnipresent, all-powerful and kills people with his razor hands
>Physically interchangeable with a slasher villain,
>Pornographic interplay of violence and sex in the Palestinian dude's story
>He almost fricks the Shrike or something
>Cast of bastardly bastards
If nothing else, I think he did in half the page count whatever Hamilton was trying to do.
btw I love this novel. It's like a medley of human creativity, with its mix of original ideas and blatant references.
>"with its mix of original ideas and blatant references."
>Oh, you can mix those?
>what if Paul Atreides was a girl and a rape victim?
>what if Aragorn was pouty?
>what if I did Assassin's Apprentice but lecherously?
>frick it, throw in some Lovecraft
Oh there's all sorts of shit. I swear some of it is lifted almost word for word from Homer and Herodotus.
>The Ousters were a highly advanced society that was made a boogie man because of Xenophobia.
>Part one makes them out to be mindless invaders and describes them as Humanoid looking killers, possibly more evolved humans.
>Part two has them with wings and some are snakes.
>They have rainbow water bridges.
>Suddenly it’s a magic carpet episode
>terribly dated 90s space Tibet
Ousters were always set up to be more than the Hegemony thought they were since the Consul's story
They were humans that evolved in a zero-g environment weren't they? Its pretty straight forward on Hyperion I found.
>but the death of Paul Dure was just incredibly tasteless
Dure realized what was coming and decided he was going to go out on his own terms, no matter the cost
easily one of the most based deaths in fiction
Can I understand this if I'm ESL? Or should I look for a translation?
Yes. The text is quite legible and the arcane references aren't reaally necessary to grasping the plot.
If you can write that sentence you can read the book.
>dude what if your girlfriend aged in reverse and she became a minor wouldn't that be weird ha ha lmao
>dude what if she was getting turbofricked by a Palestinian in the future lmao
Dan? Are you okay?
>oh yeah and her past/future self is literally on the trip with us as a baby
I swear one third of scifi is about innocent speculation, another third is heroic or frightening adventure, and the last third is just using magitek to do questionable shit. Never change, frelling dredgenauts.
Would only work as an animation or a ballet.
>mfw It’s a poetry chapter.
In all honesty I think it’s untranslatable to film without losing a lot of subtext. Most of the plot points won’t work on a visual medium, the John Keats self-masturbation got old by part two, but there were some very interesting concepts for the time. I haven’t read the other books he wrote in the same universe, too much of Part 1 and 2 focused almost entirely on the author’s sophomoric idea of trying to tie his gay obsession with classic poetry to some philosophical and existential storyline that didn’t ever hit. It’s like the “Lost” of 1980’s science fiction. You keep reading because you want answers but all the answers are fricking dumb and the journey to get them is tedious and unfulfilling.
>all four books are enjoyable
I enjoyed the first two but would never re-read them. I’ve heard Empyrion is more of a classic adventure, should I give it a shot chad-anon?
nta but Endymion is worth a read
Rise of Endymion is awful
Airplane bookshop tier.
Not even pulpy fun.
I disagree but that's fitting, since in the novel's present they're passing time on a journey that itself has very little dramatic tension.
Het Masteen is the Cybernetic Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future of this series
The best original idea was the Vatican FTL ship that smashes you to pieces and then resurrects you
>The chapter where the author self-inserts and turn himself into a Satyr who spends 10 years taking women’s virginity
He made it up to us by letting us see the satyr get his shit rocked multiple times.
Endymion was fricking trash, so hopefully it never gets an adaption.
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You didn't like the story of a bodyguard sexually grooming the pre-pubescent future messiah under the nose of a cyber architect?
Power ranking of all Part 1 stories:
1: Drure/ Hoyt
2. The Detective Lady
GAP
Everything else
Kassad fighting in zero-g: kino
Kassad having sex with the Shrike: not sk kino
again, horror author. The post-nut clarity hit hard for him
You can basically tell when the author was gooning while he wrote for the entire book
Still not as bad as Harry Turtledove. That gooner would have had his tv show by now if he could just stop for one chapter. I am NOT that interested in Shakespeare's sex life; why is he?
You didn't like the wandering israelite bit? I liked the wandering israelite story better than the lady detective.
nta but the israelite one is great, I wasn't expecting it because of my...personal biases. It captured familial love in a great way.
I don't think anyone on this thread is deluded enough to think they would make justice to Hyperion.
You’re right the israelite one was great because it established the mystery of the Time Tombs. It just meandered a bit and I’m too much of a brainlet to slog through his Abraham ruminating. I thought his wife’s spaceship crash was a bit heavy handed too.
>he didn't like the poet's tale
somewhat bad taste
>he didn't like the mansion where each room was on a different planet
>he didn't like the esoteric consumerism culture where people buy entire office floors so they can remove all the walls and prance around naked
couldn't be me
for me, it was the description of future internet addicts
also continued in the detective's tale
His story just didn’t appeal to me too much, and the author never really wrapped up how Martin was “writing the shrike into existence with his cantos.” I liked the character in most interactions but not his POV. The poet’s city was interesting though. Him ending up on the Shrike Tree seemed like too much of an obvious punishment for his Hedonistic lifestyle. Sad King Billy wasn’t developed enough either in my opinion. Idk anon I honestly haven’t read in 10 years so I’m probably missing shit
>he didn't like the mansion where each room was on a different planet
It had very interesting concepts. But for every interesting concept it had two
>SHIT! FRICK! SHIT!
It's been a very long time since I've read that book, but I remember just really not taking to that character for a number of reasons.
>That gay scene when they sing the Wizard of Oz song
That part felt that it could’ve been written by a woman
Absolutely dogshit opinion. Its a kino ending for a kino book.
I too agree it was kino ending.
Heard Brad Cooper has the rights is this true Anons ?
What would be our All star Cast !>!>!?
>c**t. Piss. Arse.
You've got the part.
Meany Giamatti ! go get sideways !
I'd be the one the warrior one pretty sure he gets to bang the demon.
The priest / missionary plotline was crazy though ! Did you read the book anon or just troll-lo-loing
I hope someone nurtures you like a Pinot Someday Anon
Who would be Martin Silenus I feel like that could be a great plot line too.
Would you think they would do simultaneous plotlines ?
IDK seems like converting to screenplay would be a b***h for film. And they would need a massive budget for TV / streaming.
>DOES ANYONE know if Cooper has the Rights???
Maybe they'd just make it a series of tv movies.
I stole the consul pick from this jokester
To funny. I mean I'm a Purefoy fan from Solomon to Marc Anthony and everything in between. Would be Kino to seem him in a series/ mini-series of this Sci-Fi Caliber.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=OMCi4tbjGc8
He can be both stately and scary as shit when he wants to be. Literally perfect for the part where he, a seemingly simple functionary, beats the hell out of Silenus for being rude one too many times.
I only read the first 2.
Would you say the whole Cantos is transferable to film ?
I have read less of it than you have, lel.
I mean lots of really cool concepts in the first and second. Just gets to dark and horrific. Not sure what ends up happening, I'll get the last two after reading this thread though.
Would be nice to get a decent Sci-Fi series this decade and have it pan out
hope you enjoy it, fren. It's always eluded me in bookstores, but one day I may start again.
Thanks Fren.
God bless and keep you on your journey through bookstores/ life. !
James Franco
Idris Elba as Kassa-no I'm just fricking with you. >literally any rabbinical type as Weintraub
>that guy who played the Paladin in the D&D movie as Kassad
>James Purefoy as The Consul
>Gina Carano as Lamia Brawne
>Barry Keoghan as The Priest
Purefoy is Gold as Consul !!!!
Carano is awesome pick.... Not to sure on the Mick Keoghan but hell bet he can pull off endless suffering as good as the next guy. Would be interesting how they break up the books/ chapters and portray the shrike since it has so much personal enmity with each character. shit was terrifying.
I feel like Sad king Billy would be a kino story line. Same with the whole "AI Earth recreation Keats plotline"
Lots of cool casting options
You've gone too far, b***hboy. These perfect strangers are finally walking in sync after laying their souls bare.
Imagine they walked off into the sunset singing Into The Fire by Dokken? That'd be pretty cool.
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rock and roll makes everything better
not fair: Dan Simmons passed his grammar lessons.
I like the two Endymion books better.
this.
>Raul is 27
>Aenea is 11, turning 12
>wears the consol's old shirt for pajamas and nothing else
>spends intimate time with Raul in the ship together (seeing her shower, play games, tag, hide n seek, zero g wrestling, etc), naked swimming with her in zero g water sphere in space
>rides on the magic carpet while she holds his shoulders and speaks softly into Raul's ear
>Raul watches her by the campfire for hours while she slept
>feels a jolt of electricity whenever they touch
>shares body heat under a thermal blanket together in their underwear
>she performed CPR on Raul
>sometimes forgets she is still a child and remembers that she loves Raul romantically
>actually kissed Raul on the lips while he was asleep
Can it be adapted? I know people love talking about Hyperion but this sequel is still fun and I'd love to see it on the big screen!
Rise of Endymion is the worst book I ever read
just put her in more clothes and remove the most explicitly romantic parts and it becomes a cute father/daughter dynamic
This shit really IS Japanese.
I can't wait for this to be annihilated by Hollywood so I NEVER have to hear about this series on Cinemaphile ever again.
You and the midwit Blood Meridian queers.
>the story where the POV character is a sublightspeed spaceman dating a planetbound girl
>everytime he meets her she's gone up a whole phase of her life
>he's hardly ten years older when she dies of old age
>honors her memory by becoming an eco terrorist
Idc what the people say, that's a peak finale, bros.
The Consul was a redditor
The Consul has the worst characterization but the best arc. I loved the casual reveal that his spaceship is actually the only privately-owned intergalactic vessel in the entire hegemon
Father Hoyt has the best story though
>unfathomably futuristic tale starts off by talking about a Catholic priest visiting a primitive tribe via wooden riverboat
that's my shit
If "the end of history" ever comes, I imagine it will look like Hyperion. Where there is simply very little left to do that we haven't done yet. But that's a blatant theme of the novel, so I'm cheating.
I read the book via Audible and the scene where he realizes what will happen to the planet made me cry like a b***h
i read that book and endymion like 10 years ago, along with pandora's star and some piece of shit 60s book called "macroscope". literally the only books i've read as an adult and i totally forgot almost everything about them except lots of john keats, the priest guy and the binding of isaac thing with the israeli person. keep it real Cinemaphile
You must have been in a certain mood to read this and Pandora's Star together. They almost feel like an American and British answer to the same question to me, but I can't quite word the question just yet; I'm not reading another thousand pages just to finally be told The Starflyer is real and there's no actual way to stop the Dyson ayyys just yet.
>here's your Consul bro
not black enough
Is pic related part of the "Where's the adaptation?" team?
This got really bad somewhere in NotIndia
You mean the parts with the paranoia over spies and military tactics? I would say that’s some of the best parts of the series
When what's his name gets HIS ASIAN GIRLFRIEND and starts astrally projecting everywhere, it's bad
Funny because I would say it peeked during the month long Siege and stays solid all until the hapa-jesus shows up. Dips a little there.
>jailbait lady summons demon to rape one of the mages
yeah no
>Youll never see her play Brawne Lamia
Leslie Jones as the shrike
You might be on to something with some makeup and a strict order for her to be quiet.
>fricking a cute israeliteess
>it transforms into this right as you cum
horrifying
Unironically good casting
>Where are the movies?
>what if the israeli girl and the palestian dude were frick buddies.
hmmm I wonder why there's no movie about this
I would like to see movies based on Stanislaw Lem's works: proper take on Solaris, The Invincible, The Futurological Congress, Eden, Fiasco, etc. Also, Moon is a Harsh Mistress and A Canticle for Leibowitz movies could be great, I think.
For me it's
>Priest's Tale
>Scholar's Tale
>Detective's Tale
>Consul's Tale
>--- POWER GAP ---
>The Soldier's Tale
>The Poet's Tale
Soldier Tale is worth for the zero-g ship fight. Its straight up terrifying.
soldier's tale also had
>VR military training that takes soldiers through accurate renditions of most major battles in human history
>Ousters taking prisoners, sawing off their limbs for security reasons, and then plugging their brains into interrogation computers
>the implications of time travel on squad-level tactics
Agreed, and some of the war room meetings were Kino while everybody tried to figure out the figure out the logistics of the time dilation and the Farcaster network locations
I'm also suddenly reminded of
>fleet flagship's bridge is a full-room portal to the military headquarters underground on Mars
frick this series was cool
You sound like the kind of guy who makes spreadsheets for fun.
if you've never made a pivot table to win an internet argument, frankly you shouldn't even be here
You sound like the kind of guy who never gets married because he mows lawns for a living
You sound like the kind of guy whose wife fricked their gardener.
>you will never either make peace with or fight belters on crack with metal dinosaur tails and laser guns
Modern war fricking sucks.
Hell yeah who would you Cast ?
Does anyone know who has the book rights?
I only read the first book, but the stories were very hit or miss. The one with the Benjamin Button disease was by far the worst.
Is Bradley Cooper secretly a sci-fi chad or why does he have the rights to Hyperion?
kek
wrong image and I forgot to mention
otherwise I nailed it
>the scientist guy who gets cucked by an inter-dimensional force out of his control and some Muslim bangs his gf across time and space
Shit was genuinely upsetting, how it was written like she had an ordinary incurable condition but he loved her as best as he could appropriately.
Also when Sol realizes Kassad has been telling stories about banging his 1 day old daughter in the future after he had to go through her childhood twice and watch his wife die
ooooh shit, that's the same girl? that makes sense, weirdly. Bravo, Simmons.
>humans create AI
>AI meets god
>AI decides to kill god
>god saves humans
Who was in the wrong here?
>"A plague on both your houses!"
Good synopsis.
Do Ousters count as God's counter ?
Synthesis of Man and Machine / voyagers
Kinda? Ousters are like the real evolution of humankind without any involvement of "god" but they mostly want to live in peace, is not like they have something against god or anyone unless they are attacking them.
The ideas are too complex beyond the cool imagery/concept of the Shrike.
Most audiences wouldn't understand the point of that dude continually dying while the crucifix creature keeps resurrecting him etc.
The Time Temples are pretty interesting, but the religious army or whatever that covets them isn't the sort of concept that makes for compelling villains/antagonist. A lot of SF and fantasy has orgs like that and they never translate well. See Raised by Wolves for the Sol cult. It's really not that interesting to sit through that stuff.
To make it mainstream ready the smart move would be to get rid of the space-faring stuff and just make it all happen on earth rooted in current day like a sudden catastrophe. The Time Temples appear, as does the Shrike. The dreams etc start. The political orgs attempt various methods of trying to control the encroaching chaos caused by the breakdown of time and space. They discover that, for whatever reason, sending candidates to the Shrikes calms the overall nature of the catastrophes going on.
From that, start rooting in the same character concepts, but not starting from a far future setting. Relatively normal people experiencing or dealing with the sudden shift in the nature of their reality. Like backwards aging children, pockets of space/time where people are devolving and all that.
Put the Time Temples and Shrike in Tibet or something to tie in with the Eastern/Western new agey (deconstructed) belief system overlaps. That way each character can demonstrate how coming from a different modern country shapes their journey to the same place.
Adding "Space Stuff" only serves to create even more distance between audience and character and the ideas they represent.
Not that any modern writers could handle any version of this. This would have to be an AI-assisted variation of a faithful from-the-novel AI-generated show.
Without the space travel the farcasters and everything that surround it wouldn't make sense.
frick you the mithraics were great
praise sol
Agreed. But only because he used reddit spacing...
Who would be your All star Cast anon?
Unless you're a fricking mason...then frick you
Christ is King.
No Oaths to false Prophets
Yeah idk the far future setting is the appeal. Suspension of disbelief in a Sci Fi show is to be expected.
Dumbing it down will not translate well in film just make it easier on screenwriters.
If they can't make a faithful story to the text they should wait.
But the worlds were so pretty. Without that it's a little less exciting, you gotta admit.
>most people don't understand the symbolism
I think most people would catch on to the subtlety of a Catholic priest crucifying himself to escape the constant torture of real life
How are they going to deal with the fact that the giant turk was fricking the israelite's infant daughter that he's literally holding in his arms
are you seriously implying that Hollywood doesn't know how to put a bandaid over a sex scandal?
unfilmable
>tranime book
Hyperion is my favourite isekai.
it would make a good miniseries, with a different director for each tale
I agree that this is the only way it will ever get made, but nobody would watch except for Hyperion gays and they’ll probably hate it anyway.
I think Martin Silenus would be the hardest to cast
Finn Wolfhard as Keats
Why do we have to have a thread about this mid trash every fricking day
Because we're having fun.
This was actually tomorrow's thread, traveling in reverse
I browse this board 23 hours a day to coo post, how would I miss a Hyperion thread?
homosexual.
I like Rachel's story the best. It was actually quite sad.