Where do you rank it in all time batman films?
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Best batkino of all time
Up until Riddler gets arrested, and pretty much this
There's too many stupid moments and woke dumbshit for that to be true.
dead last. awful woke bait. absolutely egregious to have catwoman spouting off bullshit about "rich white males". we're stuck with buttholes like pretending like it's good because "muh politics"
It's a throwaway line in a perfectly styled and executed batman flick. It's not like capeshit is very deep but they nailed the aesthetics of this flick in a way that should make nolans Chicago batman embarrassed.
really astounding how people defending racist shit liberals say will easily handwave racist remarks like "rich white men" as just a "throwaway line". tell me, if the statement was not derogatory towards white people, would you still be so dismissive of it?
It's a movie. She's not real, anon. Her character would feel that way. Do you also get upset that filmmakers condone murder because the Joker kills lots of people?
so you're saying that nobody has a right to be offended by racist dialogue if it's in a movie?
No, you have the right to be a big dumb idiot if you want, but people are going to laugh at you
you're the one spending 30 minutes on Cinemaphile taking the "catwoman's dialogue wasn't racist" stance
I've been here for like 15 minutes, chief. And most of them were spent drinking coffee and fricking your mom
man 15 minutes, sure proved me wrong when i said 30 minutes, you totally won Cinemaphile today
>have catwoman spouting off bullshit about "rich white males".
She was shown to be in the wrong for saying that you dumbass. She literally said that line, unknowingly, to the richest white guy in Gotham city who happens to be the only person she trusts and likes. After she says it, Batman basically freeze frames, turn to face the camera, rolls his eyes and then winks at the audience before unfreezing the frame to reveal that Catwoman now has a Dunce hat on her head and Batman is wearing an "I'm with stupid" t shirt pointing at her. For you to take that as being "woke" is completely missing the point. A character can say something and be wrong.
>She literally said that line, unknowingly, to the richest white guy in Gotham city who happens to be the only person she trusts and likes.
The reason the movie had her saying that is because they're trying to make a point that Batman is indeed another "white rich butthole" and part of the larger problem.
If you couldn't figure that out, i am sorry.
So then why is she immediately shown to be objectively wrong?
She isn't.
The hero is white and the richest character in film, and the main villain is the poorest character in the film. The secondary villain is literally her dad. I don't know how much more wrong she could have possibly been.
The hero was made out to be just as toxic and wrong as the main villain, if you couldn't notice it.
i love that you carried that explanation out to the bitter end, you just had to explain the movie to the guy shilling it. what a world we live in
So then why was he the only character she liked and trusted? Is that not evidence that she's a hypocrite?
>After she says it, Batman basically freeze frames, turn to face the camera, rolls his eyes and then winks at the audience before unfreezing the frame to reveal that Catwoman now has a Dunce hat on her head and Batman is wearing an "I'm with stupid" t shirt pointing at her. For you to take that as being "woke" is completely missing the point.
he doesn't do that, though. None of that happens after she says that. Let's call it what it is: lazy, trite, spiteful writing. Catwoman didn't even need to be in the movie, if she were not included it would have been 10x better.
Above Batman and Robin.
That's really embarrassing if unironical.
4 u
We did it, Discord!
man my thumbnail got fricked up
It's so goddamn long I haven't bothered to watch it.
like 5th
below the first two dark knight movies, the first 80s one, and the absurd 60s one, above everything else.
K I N O
4th place
>Mask of the Phantasm
>The Dark Knight
>Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
>The Batman
>Batman Returns
>Batman
>Batman Begins
>Batman Forever
>The Dark Knight Rises
>Batman & Robin
Black person tier list.
Batman
Batman Returns
Batman v Superman
Batman ‘66
Batman Forever
The rest are gay shit for morons
>he ranks batman "films"
>he ranks batman actors
>he ranks joker actors
>he ranks batmobiles
>he ranks "batsuits"
>he complains the adaptation isn't comic accurate
>he has a list of comic booke "stories" he wants adapted
>he has favorite comic book writers and artists
>he collects figurines
>he wears graphic batman t-shirts
>he is obese and has a beard
>he is not a virgin, but his wife/gf is fat and ugly as shit
I just don't see what this one has going for it besides being the the new one.
It's not any more "realistic" than the Nolan ones, it's not any edgier or more violent than the Snyder ones, it doesn't have an aesthetic as unique as the Burton or Schumacher ones. And despite needing to desperately do something to differentiate itself it just went with Catwoman, Riddler and Penguin, who have all been featured in the previous films. Oh, and the Joker, of course, because heaven forbid we stop milking that cow to death for five fricking seconds. It's like the IP is just a greatest hits album on a loop.
It's not even a bad film or anything. If it had come right after the Schumacher ones or something I probably would have been really into it. but it just feels so unnecessary and redundant by this point. And at 3 hours it's not well paced either. So what's the selling point? Race swap Gordon? Pattinson's admittedly cool hair? The fact that everything's orange? I would unironically rather have had the solo Batfleck movie
Batman feels like an actual detective. It's like superhero Seven.
>It's like superhero Seven.
You say that like it's a good thing!
Fricking Americans, man.
both are great films. What's the issue?
They're both terrible, you fricking dullard.
Get some taste and get off my board.
nah they rule. I think I'll stick around.
I curse you.
Does he really, though? Most of what I remember from this movie is him tanking assault rifle bullets to the chest, using his supercar to cause a firey multicar pileup (frick them civilian drivers, I guess) a gopro shot of him paragliding and then him taking some kind of injection that made him go super saiyan for a minute.
Saying this is a detective movie is like people saying The Winter Soldier was a political thriller. It's all just capeshit, man.
>investigates crime scenes recording footage with his cool eye contact thing
>decodes Riddler's cryptograms and letters
>buddy cop dynamic between him and Gordon uncovering Riddler's puzzles and interrogating Penguin
yeah he was full on detective Batman in this
>investigates crime scenes recording footage with his cool eye contact thing
Still doesn't help him because bats is that moronic
>decodes Riddler's cryptograms and letters
Alfred did that
>buddy cop dynamic between him and Gordon uncovering Riddler's puzzles and interrogating Penguin
The penguin solved el rata alada for them
Nta but
>doesn't help him
Yeah it does. He literally decodes several riddles because of it
>Alfred did that
Alfred did one. Bruce did the rest.
>The penguin solved-
Surprise! Another person who didn't get the movie. Penguin said 'bat' which wasn't the answer.
he can do two things. hes not Sherlock holmes.
I rank it number one in cringe.
EL RATA ALADA
Lel this homie get's BTFO'd in every The Batman thread and desperately attempts to make his repost images a thing.
Sad!
>67 results found
Damn. Imagine wasting that much time being wrong. Thanks for the image.
'Bat' wasn't even the answer.
I'm telling ya half the people who hate this movie didn't even get it.
What do you think rat with wings mean?
Also that being a hint for URL is fricking hilariously stupid. I can't believe this movie was made and some people actually enjoyed it.
The answer was Falcone.
He was the rat. The bird was a Falcon.
They flat out say this.
The URL hint was very clever.
Pretty sure the romance was before that. That was just a scene featuring people traveling away from each other.
>Batman
>Will u ride with me?
>yes catwoman
>i will ride u with
>for exactly 5 minutes of daytime footage cruising around in our motorcycles for no reason lol
>i am the world's greatest romantic
You're a moron that's impressed by jangling keys if you can't see why the mystery is one of the worst written ones in the history of all detective films.
>Batman feels like an actual detective.
He feels like a bumbling moron. He doesn't even solve anything.
He would have solved the crime in the first 20 minutes of the film if he had just checked the location the photos were taken from, which was Riddler's apartment.
Good detective my ass.
Absolutely not
He just went around trying to figure out the fiddlers puzzle and gain NOTHING from solving them most of the time. A good detective would branch off and examine other leads
Reminder that a major plot point is batman failing to enter a heckin sekrit stream that already had hundred of participants who found access before him by themselves
>best aesthetic thats not too corny or too bland
>batman is a detective for once
>all character designs are great
>batmobile is cool
>batmans motivations are accurate
>music is good
>villans are good (aside from riddler being a spaz sometimes. but his motivation was fine)
>Gordon is good (but black)
>gotham is represented well
>absolutely fricking incredible setup at the end to a potential no mans land storyline (comic shit)
basically it nails everything. the other ones have maybe nailed a few things but not everything. or gotten one thing perfect but done other things poorly.
Nolan movies nailed The joker and the story and film technicalities, but neglected Batman and Gotham and the overall vibe. Snyder nailed Batman but fricked up pretty much everything else. Burton did most of it well but made it very cheesy and like a cartoon and impossible to take seriously.
this one accomplishes everything on every level well.
Absolute moronation condensed into a single post.
that's one of jokers lame parts i mentioned. it's not an absolute masterpiece but not a single Batman movie is. this one's just the closest.
Absolute brilliance condensed into a single post.
most of this post is true
nolangays finna seeth
I bet gay Reeves cries himself to sleep over this.
>villains are good
They were are forgettable
Please take anti psychotics.
moron
>It's not any more "realistic" than the Nolan ones
Nor should it be. It was an interesting change for the time, but the gritty realism element is completely unnecessary. It worked as a way of differentiating itself from the earlier films and washing the bad taste Batman & Robin left in people's mouths, but it's not a necessary component. I think this one strikes a decent balance. Still a bit too realistic in my opinion, but it feels like a Batman story.
Warner Brothers has this weird thing where they insist on making comic book movies even though they clearly hate comic books. At this point all you have to do is make a live action Batman movie that looks and feels like the comics and it will be a success. But they seem pathologically incapable of doing that. Batman is their biggest IP by a mile and yet they seem to be convinced that Batman doesn't work on screen.
If the DCEU was just the Batman Extended Universe and they consciously put effort into making it recognizable, they would have outpaced marvel in 3 fricking movies. But nearly a decade into this entire catastrophe, we still haven't had a movie where Batman and Robin and Nightwing and Batgirl get together and stop crime in Gotham City. There hasn't been a movie where Batman actually confronts the Joker in almost 20 years at this point. We've had several Batmen and several Jokers in that time, but they haven't made a conventional Batman movie yet. I genuinely feel astonished every time I think about it. We've had a cinematic Harley Quinn for three entire presidents and I'm pretty sure she and Batman have never had a conversation in a single movie. He punches he once, but that's the extent of it
Nobody even knows what the comics look and feel like. Nobody reads them
>It's not any more "realistic" than the Nolan ones,
Just the fact that Bruce is a creepy shut in is more realistic than him being Charlie Sheen by day and Conor McGregor by night.
quite cringe, wouldn't watch it again
it was long and I found myself getting into it, but by the end it was kind of flat and needed less screentime. a better editor and a better bruce wayne/batman actor would have helped.
its what stupid people think is a clever Batman film.
its actually really really bad. Id rank it bottom.
6th after all all the Nolan and Burton ones. And it's a close call with Forever.
I haven't seen them all because I'm not an Amerilard babyman, but this film was laughably bad.
1. Returns
2. Under the Red Hood
3. Batman 1989
4. Mask of the Phantasm
5. The Dark Knight
6. The Batman
Under the Red Hood is legitimately terrible.
The catwoman actress was damn sexy
liked it more than the nolan ones
especially the feeling of gotham city
pretty high on that list
Of all the Batman movies, it's definitely one of them.
Close second behind Dark Knight. It’s better than the 1st and 3rd Nolan Films. The other Batman movies are silly in comparison.
It's similar to Dark Knight but not quite as good, so 3rd place
2
Higher than the Bane one.
I'd rank it as lowest because it's just so nothing and it has grating, irritating bits
>Looking for something to watch
>log into Crackle
>"Oh, a zombie movie . . ."
Night of Something Strange is the grossest movie on streaming, It's zombies but instead of biting you they rape you. And that turns you into a rape zombie. One zombie jacks off on a cop and the cum is acid. As I type this, a man is being strangled by a flesh rope that shot out of a woman's snatch. Then he sticks his gun in and blow her to pieces. Disgusting. This is not an ad it's a warning.
Oh, and a dude has sex with his drunk girlfriend in the dark. Is she a zombie? Is he banging a zombie?
No, it's a dude. He has anal sex with this passed out guy and gets his dick stuck in the dude's butthole.
Sorry, this was supposed to be it's own thread.
Since I'm here, the first hour of The Batman is the best on screen Batman ever seen. The movie just goes on too long.
But kino scenes like:
>Batman knocks on the club door
"Do you know who I am?"
>Later, Bruce Wayne knocks on the door
"Do you know who I am?"
>Last time, there is a knock on the door
No one is there.
This is the scene where he ceases to be Vengeance and becomes the Batman we all know.
ok you redeemed yourself. that really seemed like an ad. ill look into your weird zombie porn movie.
Yeah I realized it would look like that. I just found out to kill these zombies you don't shoot them in the head but shoot them in the genitals.
I'll be honest, I see "Mask Of The Phantasm" on this list and I just couldn't get into it. I saw it in the theater and it was cool but I don't think it would hit my top 5 by any measure. I didn't care much for Begins but I'd still rank it higher.
Worst Batman movie has to be Batman and Robin. I don't count the Adam West one because I could never finish it.
yea i don't get the phantasm love either. i saw it once and it was fine. but nothing about it blew me away or anything.
>Classical music plays while the villain does evil things
>"Two years of nights have turned me into a nocturnal animal."
>Batman walking with his arms stiffly by his sides
>Asking politely to be let inside the club
>The cringey twins
No, it was absolute garbage from the first frame onwards.
He didn't ask politely. He wanted to fight. He wanted to hurt people and possibly die. He didn't care at that point what happened.
Classical music villain is always stupid. In Blade 2 Wesley Snipes asked if the main royal vampire could be listening to James Brown instead of Mozart because it's always classical.
WE GAAN TO THE ICEBERG LOUNGE BOYS
Probably 3rd or 4th.
Batman Begins
Batman Returns
BVS UE
The Batman
Fourth. For me it's
>Batman Returns
>Batman Begins
>Batman (1966)
>The Batman
>Batman 1989
>The Dark Knight
significant gap
>The Dark Knight Rises
power gap
>Batman vs Superman and other DCU shit
Without the white privilege line and the moronic chase sequence where Batman kills a bunch of people on the hight it would have been #1. Right now it’s not as good as Nolan but better than everything else.
Shit and boring and uncreative movie with nothing new to show or do and pozzed to the max with black Catwoman and Gordon and le white man is bad
Bottom of the barrel cause at least the 90's Batman movies had SOVL and creativity.
Considering only the first 1/3 is any good, not very high
Below Nolan, Burton and Forever. Above snydershit
Somewhere far below Batman and Robin but slightly above the Snyder shit.
i'm completely divested from comic book movies. wasn't even a conscious choice. just saw pattinson in this movie, turned it off and never watched another comic book movie again or rewatched any one of them i liked.
so in that regard 10/10
This movie is good, but not better than Begins and Dark Knight. I can't stand the dumbed down violence in this movie. Batman punches the holy shit out of the own Riddler simp at the end and he takes off the mask with these minor injuries, takes you completely out it of it. It feels like they're working with constraints.
>Look at this homie head lmfao!
>wtf... a pigeon with wings?
>THINK BATMAN THINK
>omg
>...a bat
>I am the world's greatest detective
This movie had great actors and a moronic script.
second best after 1989 Batman
I hate this movie so much because it tried really hard to be Se7en starring Batman, but throughout the movie the Riddler is hiding in his room, which is in front of the Penguin's club, something that his photos of the club showed, and Batman never thought to check that up.
Meanwhile in Se7en Morgan Freeman's character was able to find the John Doe's address by checking everyone that rent books relating to the subject of the murders, thanks to his FBI contact.
In one movie the characters behave logically and get ahead of the criminal, and in the other everyone acts fricking moronic.
The Batman is Se7en for moronic capeshit fanboys.
Yup it's a watered down PG-13 Se7en. At least Todd Phillips had the balls to go all the way with his shameless rip off. The Batman just feels like try hard edgy shit made for teenagers who have never seen a real noir film.
Matt Reeves is little indie studio, please understand
I hate because Robert Pattinson was prime for Bond and then drank the kool aid and did capeshit that's even worse than standard capeshit.
Ruined his improving career for nothing
Til this day I have no idea what makes this “‘more of a detective movie” than previous Batmans, people said that about the dark knight as well so I feel like this movie gets too much praise it’s pretty average. I guess the Riddler was a dangerous villain but he acts like Kylo Ren at the end of the movie and I’m tired of seeing pathetic villains like that
Every Batman movie shows Batman doing detective work and figuring things out while bashing people heads in.
The Batman just tried to be more overt with all the imagery stolen straight from Se7en and Zodiac, but ironically Batman in this movie was a worse detective than in the previous Batman movies because the plot demands that the Riddler should get away with everything before turning himself in. So you've Batman just walking around and repeating shitty clues that while the targets die.
Idk, probably because he spends nearly three hours investigating shit.
Without really getting anywhere until Catwoman finds a cop willing to infodump everything and obvious shit like city wide corruption being a major revelation for Batman.
>without really getting anywhere
Bro wtf do you mean? Batman literally finds the cop for Catwoman in the first place.
The more criticisms I hear for the movie the more I remember the average intellect for most of the population.
You moronic fricking monkey
godawful flick
riddler doesn't even do anything clever
it's amazing how batman fans eat this shit up. makes me never want to watch another one
Worst one for me. Only time I've got bored watching a Batman movie. And I've seen all of them from the 60s onwards.
It's the Democrat answer to Nolan's right-wing Batman.
How do you go from the most aesthetic, GigaChad Batman...
To this British fairy in a gimp suit?
it's a genuine atrocity. the only saving grace is that the people who larp that it's good never actually watch it so it gets 0 attention and won't get a sequel
Goddamn that looks so good.
Scott Hampton mixed with Lee Bermejo. Fricking awesome.
Finally we got a comic accurate Batman who wasn't overweight.
disingenuous comic book hater
More like TDKR hater. Overrated garbage.
I enjoy comic kino. Which is why I enjoy Pattinson and not Fatman.
just be honest, you like libshit because it's libshit and you think you're being clever by pretending to be a batman fan
>thinks all honesty takes is his own seal of approval
Average sub-IQ The Batman hater.
>gigachad
>with that much fat under the jaw
Afleck is fricking fat in these movies. His fat face looks ridiculous in the cowl. You can tell he just bulked like mad for the role and didn't bother to trim down.
It’s the worst of all of them.
Near the bottom because the detective mystery is fricking moronic, same level as the cumberbatch Sherlock. only morons think that anything other than the aesthetic deserves praise. You have to be a categorically stupid person to praise the film overall.
I love how all the people saying it's moronic can't prove why it's moronic.
Whereas any criticism against the film can easily be disproven by some simple thinking.
Why Batman didn't check the apartments in front of the club despite all the photos of the club clearly being taken from close proximity. Batman isn't bound by law and have the fancy tech.
The movie shows that the Riddler almost never leave his room and you can't actually see his sorry ass spying on Batman and Jim Gordon.
>why didn't he check the apartment
Because why wouldn't he assume Riddler was just on a roof?
Let's have Batman check every apartment from the second floor upward by breaking in, and have him stake out every roof to the right of the club.
You guys are moronic.
>the roof-
Already disproven.
>spanish!
He did know it. Alfred told him. He chose to investigate the translation, not the poor grammar.
Again, you didn't get it.
>Batman couldn't guess rat with wings-
Can you? I bet you think it's a bat right?
>he had to be shown by the Mexican cop-
Really? The mexican cop pulled up the carpet? Or did he mention what a tool was offhandedly?
Once again, as expected, every criticism was proven wrong by basic thinking.
You didn't explain why something was dumb. You just named shit. Try again, this time with less anger.
He didn't know because he wasn't interested in fighting the upper levels of crime. He was interested in getting revenge on street level crime, as it was what traumatized him.
He thought that scaring street criminals, which he did, would help street crime stop. Which it didn't.
Again, people just didn't get the movie.
>Because why wouldn't he assume Riddler was just on a roof?
Wow... big brains there.
>Let's have Batman check every apartment from the second floor upward by breaking in, and have him stake out every roof to the right of the club.
YES. This movie loves Se7en aesthetics so much but couldn't copy the one thing that made Se7en unique: which were the characters not being brain-dead moronic for story purpose. Morgan Freeman's character was able to find John Doe's apartment address by asking his FBI contact to check every library in town for people searching for books about the Seven Sins and other things related to the murders. And it worked.
The Batman could have actually copied that one bit and showed Batman messing with Riddler's plans by finding his apartment with all the stored information and clues therein, forcing Riddler to run and improvise. But unfortunately Batman needed to be fricking moronic in this movie.
>YES! Have Batman find Riddler's apartment early and have him frick up his plan!
Yeah, I'm sure you'd all praise The Batman if it featured him tracking down an apartment. Which he did, "but if he tracked down THIS apartment, then I'd like it!"
Sure. And in doing so erase Batman's character arc? Not really that interesting.
>So he wasn't interested in fighting crime?!
Uh. He was. Just not the upper levels. He thought fear would be enough to stop the lower levels. But it wasn't.
And even beyond that, his reason for fighting crime was selfish. He wanted to stop the crime that impacted him.
I'm baffled by how many people just don't get the story.
>Sure. And in doing so erase Batman's character arc? Not really that interesting.
The character arc of him being fricking moronic and needing to learn life lessons about his white privilege?
>Uh. He was. Just not the upper levels. He thought fear would be enough to stop the lower levels. But it wasn't.
How does a person get filtered this hard by Batman?
I don't know. Please, enlighten me. Prove to me why I'm wrong. I'll gladly read it.
It's well known that Wayne went off to study criminology, where it would have learned all about organized crime. Then he came back to the city and started his career as Batman by using fear directed at random criminals to make a name for himself while also learning the playing field. Then he quickly moves on to fight organized crime. This movie was advertised as being a sort of Year Two story, which is exactly when he started focusing on organized crime. The movie focuses on him fighting organized crime so that tracks.
>He wasn't interested in fighting organized crime
You're a mongoloid
>you're wrong because *lists common knowledge about the comics that, incidentally, is never confirmed in the film*
Huh...it's almost like...maybe just maybe hear me out...I'm just spitballin'...
Maybe the movie didn't take EVERYTHING from the comics.
Woah!
>He didn't know because he wasn't interested in fighting the upper levels of crime.
LMAO.
So Batman, the character inspired by fricking Zorro, wasn't interested in saving his city from crime and corruption.
>Because why wouldn't he assume Riddler was just on a roof?
It's quite common in detective kinos to have the detective visit some vantage point to put themselves in the perspective of the criminal. Usually at that point they end up finding some clue to how the crime was committed and who did it.
You're right. The photo was taken high above street level, so most likely a rooftop or the second to last and last story of a building.
So Batman goes up on a roof. Doesn't find a clue. Then explores the second and second to last level of said building. No clue. Onto the next one.
Maybe he chooses another building. And does the exact same thing. No results.
Maybe now he chooses the apartment building. Stakes out on the roof. No clue. Time to explore the last and second to last floor.
He breaks into every room on the last and second to last floor, eventually finds The Riddler, and the movie is over.
And that's a better movie? Two hours of him staking out and breaking into random empty rooms until he finds the right one?
Batman in this movie had fricking contact lenses that was able to record video and sound.
If normal police can search an entire apartment and question witness to be able to arrest some perp, i think Batman could also do it.
Not to mention that he didn't need to waste too much time. Matt Reeves showed the Riddler with his mask and all looking outside the window during several points of the movie, including when Batman and Jim Gordon were close by. Batman could have just looked up.
The movie is THAT dumb.
That scene is during a moment where Batman isn't there. So you're just guessing now that Batman should have looked up during a moment where Riddler is looking out of his window during your headcanon?
See what I mean about reaching?
>I think Batman could do it!
Obviously. I wasn't doubting Batman's performance. I was doubting the logical amount of time it would take.
Your criticism is just THAT dumb.
>I was doubting the logical amount of time it would take.
Why do you assume it would take much time? Because it helps you defend the movie?
Why do you assume it wouldn't?
All Batman has to go off of is: a photo taken high above street level pointed to the right.
Out of all the buildings there and all the space that fits within that framing, you'd think it would take no time at all?
And again, what would it do but ruin the story so your subjective fantasy can be quenched. You can't even objectively prove it's bad. You can just say that you don't like it.
Whereas I can prove that the film not doing that is objectively good for the story it's trying to tell.
Your only rebuttal to that is: I don't like that story. Which...good for you? Most of the public disagrees.
>Out of all the buildings there and all the space that fits within that framing, you'd think it would take no time at all?
None at all, barely an inconvenience!
This is a movie, that once again, had Batman record a club he couldn't get into with magical lenses that can record video and sound.
You're telling me that the same Batman would go knocking from door to door? Well, maybe he would because this version of the character is meant to be moronic.
Having Batman finding the Riddler's apartment would give the character a fricking win in an otherwise fricking boring movie, would make all the clue finding logical because now knows things because he found the apartment thanks to his quick thinking instead of having him needing other characters to explain to him some shitty ass cryptic shit that aren't even proper riddles, it would also give the movie a much needed humph because now viewers would be wondering what's Riddler next move.
If it was good for Se7en why wouldn't be good for this movie? This movie already stole everything from Se7en anyway.
>h-h-h-he recorded it!
Yeah. With a willing participant. So either he tackles people and stuffs shit in their eyes, or he just sends someone to do what he would have to do anyway.
You're not thinking this through.
You want something to change, and your way to get it to change is
>make da plot do it really fast!
And that's not what good writing is.
Batman had many wins in this film. He defeated the Riddler's plan even when it all seemed too late.
But more importantly, he saved himself.
You see detectives, a guy turning himself in, and a style, and assume it stole from Se7en.
But TDK had 2/3 of those things.
So all you've got to go on is the style.
>But more importantly, he saved himself.
KEK.
Oh fricking God. This dude is counting as a win the protag saving himself emotionally in a FRICKING ACTION MOVIE/CAPESHIT SLOP. That's how desperate he is.
>KEK.
>Oh fricking God. This dude is counting as a win the protag having a character arc in a movie titled after the protag! He's wrong because that doesn't fit the genre status of SLOP that I awarded it!
Wow...ya sure got me buddy...
Again this thread is proof.
Cinemaphile just doesn't get The Batman. This will be archived and stand the test of time as a win for The Batman fans with marginal to full critical thinking skills.
Your so fricking mad no one likes your shit twink batman movie. Go outside homosexual
Lel you probably had the same 'critiques' and then had to see yourself get assblasted in real time.
I can't imagine how painful that is for you. Nor do I care.
Save me some of your tears.
>Again, people just didn't get the movie.
Nah, "people" understood full well why the writing is fundamentally broken. Subhuman third worlder monkeys like you just worship it the same way you worship consoles in console war threads.
>everyone got it
>replies to a post refuting people who didn't get it
>starts projecting about shitskins
Batman didn't check the window where the pics came from
Batman doesn't know even a bit of basic spanish
Batman coudn't guess what a rat with wing was
Batman didn't figure out Riddler plans in his fricking apartment he had to be shown by the mexican cop
The worst thing about the Batman is that Batman has been fighting crime for two years and the crime rate keeps going up because the movie is out to shit on the idea of vigilante justice despite being a fricking Batman movie. So Batman has to be made out to be an ineffectual dumbass.
He didn't even know that cops and city officials were corrupt and bought by the mob, and that most of the crime he has been fighting were a direct result of that city wide corruption. Because again there would be no movie otherwise. So Batman has to be moronic for story purpose and lefty propaganda.
>The worst thing about the Batman is that Batman has been fighting crime for two years and the crime rate keeps going up because the movie is out to shit on the idea of vigilante justice
A) no it's not, and B) the "le Batman is making things worse" is a huge part of the mythology. It's the subject of Gordon's monologue at the end of Batman Begins and pretty much the entire plot of Dark Knight. If anything, TDK trilogy has a much bigger hate boner for Batman because even Batman agrees that the city would be better off with a hero like Harvey Dent than a Batman.
Bro they're moronic. They can't think critically.
Not the arc. No wonder you didn't get it, lmao.
Pretty sure the issue is that they identify with the Riddler goons and are offended that the movie called them the bad guys
Oh it definitely is. You're right.
But /misc/ has done shit like that before. So unless you're using /misc/ the film isn't criticizing you.
The "le Batman is making things worse" is a huge part of the mythos know because of hack comic writers that want to push their pet characters and felt they could do that by shitting on the protagonist of the IP.
The Nolan's movies were about the escalation of violence and vigilante justice being a half-measure but not the solution. It was nothing about Batman making everything worse. If anything Batman makes everything better. These are movies that tried to push the War on Terror as justifiable.
You know nothing about what you speak of.
>The Nolan's movies were about the escalation of violence and vigilante justice being a half-measure but not the solution. It was nothing about Batman making everything worse
Batman goes away for 8 years and the city's crime rate drops to all time lows.
Uhhhh no anon you're wrong because...that anon wouldn't like that answer.
Tbf, thats because Bruce did clean up the city. The gangster leaders are dead or in jail, the PD is corruption free and ran by a good man, and the memory of batman beating drug dealers within an inch of their lives is very much alive
Because of the new Rico act Harvey Dent created and the effort Batman went to catch everyone, but then TDKR rolls out and Batman is needed again. You've Jim Gordon begging Batman to come back. The Nolan's movies showed that Batman is necessary as an extra-judicial anti-terrorist act. Not beneficial for all cases, but needed when shit hits the fan. This was essentially Batman for the post-9/11 world.
True but you have to admit that Nolan also showed Batman created crime by existing. Bane only had evidence to expose because of Batman. Joker decided to keep committing crime forever because of Batman.
Batman both stops and generates crime at the same time.
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Going through the animated series now, I'd almost forgotten how good it was, surprisingly mature, not just violent but actually handles everything with a gravitas that's unexpected for "a kids show."
The cartoon mostly sucks aside from a handful of episodes which are of course, the famous ones that everyone likes.
I can see that, it's still better than 99% of the that out now though, even the crap episodes.
>it's still better than 99% of the that out now though
stop using this phrase as if it makes trash good
just watch good shit there's tons of it
>the "le Batman is making things worse" is a huge part of the mythology.
It's not and this is one of the quickest ways to out someone who's not actually familiar with the mythos at all
Batman's entire mission is a long defeat.
Batman wants to stop crime in Gotham City.
He will never do that.
Batman, by simply existing, will always be stopping crime and causing crime.
That's the entire point of the character.
This is the dumbest take and proves you don't know anything about basic criminology or Batman as a character. It's kind of weird that you can type full sentences while being this stupid.
Sure thing.
I really liked how you didn't prove any of that. You just kinda said it, and thought that by saying it that it was true.
I liked that part. It was very funny.
True. Gotham City is always portrayed as a clean, happy beacon of justice where crime is all but non-existent. That's like it's whole vibe and shit.
The carpet tool from the beginning and the map you fricking moron. If someone made a connect-the-dots booklet to help morons like you realize why the writing is worse than pisswater, you'd suffer a brain hemorrhage halfway through bc of how stupid you are.
Probably 2. Dark Knight is 1. This is a better Batman movie in my opinion, but Dark Knight is a much more watchable movie in general. And nothing in this rises to the heights of Heath Ledger's performance.
You've Batman finding out about Riddler's plans to bomb the city by him finding a huge ass map of the city in Riddler's house with lightbulbs attached to it showing all the points Riddler's followers are going to bomb. And the lightbulbs blink and everything.
Imagine Riddler taking his time to build this like as if it was some science project for school and getting all giddy about Batman finding it.
This movie literally can't be dumber than this.
He was, in many ways, literally a stunted child. That's what the movie explicitly tries to show you.
It does the same with Batman.
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The problem with discussing The Batman is that the huehues that worship the film are legitimately too moronic to understand how horribly the mystery (which is the core point of a detective film) is written. They're too braindead to pick up on why the entire story is more broken than a fricking fast and furious film, so it's completely pointless to try and explain it to them. They just won't care bc they're dumber than those prisoners that can't consider hypotheticals about what they ate for breakfast.
all they care about is the ironic edgy soundtrack and zoom zoom motorcycles
The only reason Cinemaphile hates it is black Gordon and Catwoman's line about white men. Everything else is rationalization.
Refure any of these:
Quickly
Already been refuted, lol
I can't wait to refute the cope as well.
I wonder if Matt Reeves is aware of how many people took deep offense at the fact that his streetwise prostitute cat burgler character said "white, privileged buttholes". And it's only because he put those words in that order. If he had written, "privileged, white buttholes" or "cracka ass honkies", no one would say diddly poop. But he had to go an use a maymay phrase and it ruined the lives of tens of thousands of incels
Reading this thread shows that batman 2022 it's the dumbest interpretation of batman, none of the others were borderline moronic
I agree the batman 2022 it's the dumbest interpretation
Have you noticed that the people against this movie can't even spell?
You have to be a mental cuck to like this movie if you're white and especially if you use Cinemaphile. Matt Reeves hates you and made an entire movie about how bad white Cinemaphile users are.
Yeah this race shit is a terrible criticism of the film.
That is a flaw I have noticed. I tried seeing if the tankers falling were spaced out differently in either shot, which would signal a time difference, but it really is just a flawed amount of time for the jump.
Batman killed many people in the road chasing penguin, everyone just brushed over that
Batfleck did the same thing in The Flash. Everyone seems to brush over that.
>Batfleck did the same thing in The Flash. Everyone seems to brush over that
No? Everyone gave batfleck shit for that but praise Pattinson for "no killing"
You're thinking BvS. Not The Flash.
Pattinson didn't kill anyway. Penguin knocked over the tankers.
But you're assuming that since Batman chased a villain, and the villain killed someone, therefore Batman is responsible.
And in The Flash, Batman chases Falcone's men, Falcone's men shoot a tanker which explodes on the highway, and Batman dodges it to continue chasing them.
So, by implementing your logic, Batman killed people in The Flash as well.
>But you're assuming that since Batman chased a villain, and the villain killed someone, therefore Batman is responsible.
You see Batman causing the death of people even when he is fighting off the Riddler's henchmen, but every comic book loving homosexual during this movie release was praising this movie for doing Batman right all because apparently he doesn't kill in this movie.
When did he kill someone fighting off Riddler goons.
You're just assuming people died offscreen from the falling debris? Please tell me that's not your criticism.
THEY ARE BLANKS! THE GOONS ARE WEARING MASKS MADE OF KEVLAR!
>You're not allowed to move when someone is pointing a gun at you if someone is standing nearby!!
Kekw talk about reaching.
>muhh batfleck
Rent free. We are talking about the batman. Also batman most definitely caused the death of many people and the worst was that he didn't give a shit afterwards and it's not like riddler was out there killing anyone at that time he was just killing useless politicians. Batman could have been shown caring about the people he and penguin killed
>rent free!
It's precisely because The Batman didn't kill people that I bring up Batfleck.
Because no one in their right mind would believe that chasing criminals who then kill people makes the people they kill your responsibility.
This is called "reaching" and it is a common tactic used when there are few to no logical criticisms against a piece of media.
So if you're going to believe that in this case, it's worth seeing if you believe it in other cases.
Do you?
The chase was started by Batman. He's just as responsible.
As it was in Batfleck's case.
If I run after you, and you kick a dog in the head to distract me, I'm responsible for you kicking the dog?
Jesus. And they say people who like The Batman are leftists.
>I'm responsible for you kicking the dog?
Yes.
That was the moral point of BvS. Superman was responsible for everything that happened even if he never intended for the worse to happen. He is responsible for whatever that can and will happen because he's involving himself in life and death situations. He must own to that and shoulder the blame.
Don't know why we're talking about BvS but damn, I forgot how liberal Snyder is.
Matthew Broderick did the same thing in Northern Ireland. Everyone seems to brush over that.
The car chase scene that everyone praised the frick off is an editing nightmare where Batman's car unironically end up flying, because they cut to Penguin's lenghty reaction right before the car jumps the ramp, which takes like fricking forever, until the we finally get to see the car landing over the flames again.
Sor for like three to four min Batman's car was flying.
So the Riddler turned himself in because he wanted to be in somewhere safe (???) and he thought that Batman would be together with him, because apparently Batman is his pal (???), and he even says that Batman was supposed to be his muscle while he was the brains of the operation this despite the fact that the Riddler managed to kidnap and kill the DA, the chief of police, and the mayor all by his lonesome self (???).
Explain this character to me.
He wanted to be out of the city for the flood. Arkham is an island separate from Gotham. He assumed Batman was pro-killing people because when he saw Batman all he saw was Batman hurting people and never helping the victims.
Riddler refers to Batman being the brawn when it comes to Falcone, as that sentence follows Riddler telling Batman that he just helped him with Falcone.
>he thought that Batman would be together with him, because apparently Batman is his pal (???), and he even says that Batman was supposed to be his muscle while he was the brains of the operation
The best part is that they have multiple interactions where Batman accidentally, and completely unintentionally, doesn't say anything that would make Riddler realize the truth. Then when he realizes what's actually going on, and is finally in a position to take advantage of riddler's belief that they're friends, he spergs out instead. This is the moronic dogshit that Mexicans and apes call "se7en" tier.
I'm still waiting for an actual Batman movie and not a brooding Gruffman the angsty chain-smoker movie. Batman is a cool calm collected detective. That's the movie I want. This movie added the detective element so I liked it but R Pat doesn't come off as the level-headed stoic guy that Batman should be.
I didn't like it very much the first time and my attention waned. So I watched it again recently and it is boring and I don't like it.
1966, Burton's two, Nolan's first two, Lego Batman and Mask of the Phantasm are all better.
daily reminder that: The Batman fans drool while Dark Knight chads rule
It was pretty good until riddler went full moron in the final act.
Nice troll thread gentletards. You actually baited me into coughing up some (You)s. Until next time
Who should be the villain in the sequel? I don't know if Clayface could carry a movie but he deserves a chance.
You already know he's the villain for the sequel, shill.
Bad.
>Batman loudly clunks around in giant iron boots
>Batman is moronic and his 'detective skills' are utilised solving childish riddles
>The ending is atrocious, Batman basically says that he's doing more harm than good and should be like a social worker or fireman? Really sophomoric philosophical shit been done a million times and better before.
>Lighting is really dark and unappealing
>Dano hamming it up is the only highlight but feels very unfitting for Batman or The Riddler
>does not feel like a Batman film
It's pretty much copying Nolan's films but doing it worse. It's better than Batman Forever and the original Justice League but worse than everything else.
is moronic and his 'detective skills' are utilised solving childish riddles
You do understand there is a batman villain called the riddler?
>Here's your masculine ideal of human perseverance and willpower
Zoomers who like this gay shit are such homosexuals lmao.
Why is that particular picture the antithesis of that?
Im pretty sure he just got thro a huge fight and batman has blacked out his eyes around his cowl since like the 80s
>batman wears makeup under his cowl
>batman wears makeup when he's just walking around
troony logic, the cowl is enough to hide his identity. do you think batman seriously spends 20 minutes smearing mascara on his face before he heads out and then has a facial cleansing routine in the morning when he needs to be bruce wayne?
jesus christ the moronation
Dumbass he does when it's the movies. In the comics he has white eyes. No need to blacken the eyes.
And that's not mascara. That's just eye makeup.
As of now, Im going to have to operate under the assumption youre A) a dimwit attempting to troll, B) a legitimate, genuine person with extra chromosomes or other neurological conditions preventing you from normal behavior, or C) a double Black person who can tongue my anus
In any case, choosing the blacking out of the eyes under the cowl as your hill to die on is reflective of the overall standard of your capabilities.
You want this niqqa lampooning about town with big ol white circles around his eyes?
He's moronic.
Not just the fact that he looks like a gay prostitute, but also his whiny attitude. He literally says "You're not my real dad" to Alfred. This sadboy take on the character squarely appeals to depressed, low energy zoomers.
Bale did that in Begins.
>It's not your family Alfred! Why do you care!?!
See, this is how you make a valid criticism. And one I agree with.
I think Batman by nature needs to be gloomy and depressive, but the grungy emo take was not one I approve of. At least hes a young batman who can hopefully mature from SOMETHING IN THE WAY to "Im the GOD DAMN BATMAN"
Cut out everything after Batman meets Ridler in the prison and make a 5 minute finale that isn't so over the top and I might like it. It's a chore elsewise to get through. Honestly I'm still waiting for a decent Bat flick that is rewatchable 100% through and through. Even the most reddit movie Dark Knight has some atrocious pacing here and there.
Modern capeslop
Give me Freeze and his kino polar bears any day
Third or 4th.
Batman Returns being the absolute best.
Then Dark Knight
Then either this or Batman 89.
If the ending and the Riddler as a villain in general wasn't so shit it would've been the second best. I have high hopes for the sequel though.
brings nothing new to the table. Batfleck is still the best Batman
>Where do you rank it in all time batman films?
Just below Batman Forever
2nd. Dark Knight is still king for virtue of having a non-botched ending.
only good movies get debated this much.
its kino
Didn't know Captain Marvel was the greatest capeshit ever made
if you actually watched Captain marvel and debated it with someone you may have liked it. things i don't like i don't bother talking about.
Find me a talk about Captain Marvel on here this in depth.
No one is debating in depth here.
Any debate about themes is in depth enough.
There is no discussion of the themes. Just the plotholes and how shit it is compared to the other shit Batman movies. You keep moving the goalposts as well. Thread count on Cinemaphile is worth nothing.
>Potholes
Talk about something not being spoken about in the thread. There's a nonexistent topic.
Esl?
Damn. It's a shame that you lack pattern recognition. I meant plotholes.
It's okay. Has some issues. I think this board tries to overrate it because they have a hate boner for Nolan.
>first act
kino of the highest order
>second act
alright, could be better
>third act
absolute shitheap
just needed more of the batective and less capeshit
also the big riddle being some random spanish joke that makes zero sense is such a huge frick you to everyone
I also believe this movie was hugely carried by the cast's performance (minus fillerwoman, but that's a given). the overal writing was meh but delivered so well it redeemed itself sirs
i rank it as slop same as all the other batman movies
I honestly liked it but honestly somewhere near the bottom. It's not the worst ever but it's ultimately one of the most forgettable by far. I'll say it's at least better than Batman and Robin, at the very least.
>Can you write a thriller?
>Yeah, I saw Se7en once, I got you senpai
best movie Bat.
best movie Bruce was the one with Nicholson.
best movie is TDK cuz Joker
best Bat is Terry McGinnis
West gets best TV Bruce
idk I tought the move was pretty good, only the catwoman speech about "let us get away from all those old white men" was pretty hamfisted cringe but otherwise the movie was solid-good
The fact that she said that to THE rich white guy in the city is hilarious to me.
>immediately kisses him after
wtf did she mean by this
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-20
It's roughly on par with Batman Begins
Better than The Dark Knight Rises, worse than Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, Batman & Robin, Batman Begins, and The Dark Knight
burton batman movies are the best
this is about equal with nolan so not especially good
i couldnt stay awake through it
Third behind Batman 89 and returns.
The last part of the film with Riddler blowing up the dams felt so dumb.
It felt like studio execs said "There needs to be a big action sequence at the end with Riddler threatening the city."
Also, both mayor candidates should have been corrupt. Politicians are scumbags and no way is Gotham going to have some lily white progressive saint mayor that will save the city.
it certainly had a few things that needed a hard re-write
the cinematography is kino af and pattman can do no wrong
farrel is a fricking gem in this too
I would have recast that goofy jesus falcony goober too
oh and recast catwoman with snood
Why couldn’t they just make Riddler like Jigsaw? Why’d they have to make him into some loser autist?
go watch breaking or something bad dipshit
Riddler has always been a loser autist. That's his character.
I totally forgot this movie existed. You could ask me to rank Batman movies, and I would totally forget to even include this one. What a forgettable movie. No staying/lasting power. You watch it, say 'huh, that was alright, I guess' then an hour later you forget you even watched it.
The hammer of justice is unisex
Its amazing how many naughty stuff they get away it
Dicks: The Musical
>That implication that Batman is a C-lister
I rank it with the other Bad Robot productions.