thing is with all the timeline bullshit DIS can be forgotten from canon completely without any worldbuilding consequences. In 2 seasons of SNW, there was no mention of Spocks moronic sister Burnham
Deleting STD won't fix the franchise because all the people who made STD and thought Spock's moronic sister Burnham was a good idea are still in place and still making decisions. Most of the people who agreed to Beastie Boys Trek are still there.
Control was Section 31's threat assessment system. It relied on artificial intelligence and was located in a data center at Section 31 Headquarters.
When exposed to the mystical ancient sphere data, control became self aware and assessed all organic life as an eventual threat, so basically, SKYNET from the Terminator franchise, but somehow more capeshit.
Deleting STD won't fix the franchise because all the people who made STD and thought Spock's moronic sister Burnham was a good idea are still in place and still making decisions. Most of the people who agreed to Beastie Boys Trek are still there.
why don't people realize that giving Spock a secret human sister just shits all over DC Fontana's intent that he was an only child which piled onto his loneliness
but people go UMMM BUT HE HAS A BROTHER TOO SYBOK MEMBER?
yeah and that also sucked, what's your point?
of course they would, they love money
just like how roddenberry's kid (who hated his dad anyway) loves the paycheck he gets for having his name on the nu shit
7 months ago
Anonymous
It's show business for a reason. If you want pure art, there is plenty of fan material out there, much of which is untethered to a franchise.
Not him but Spock lied about his whole family including his mom, dad and siblings. The point is you're acting like this does not fit in with his character when its literally how EVERY member of his family has been revealed since day one. Anyone that says she does not fit with the rest is talking out of their ass.
>links a clip to an episode that DC Fontana wrote
It's her word, not mine, butthole.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Not him but Spock lied about his whole family including his mom, dad and siblings. The point is you're acting like this does not fit in with his character when its literally how EVERY member of his family has been revealed since day one. Anyone that says she does not fit with the rest is talking out of their ass.
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>DOROTHY FONTANA: I like a good story— but there are certain basic ground rules established which I don’t think can be easily tossed aside. I really hated it when one of the features (STAR TREK V) came up with a half brother for Spock when I had always insisted he had no other siblings. But I guess it isn’t "canon" if I wrote it. Go figure.
7 months ago
Anonymous
oh and >inb4 WHATS YOUR SOURCE????
https://trekmovie.com/2007/07/22/dc-fontana-on-tas-canon-and-sybok/
suck my dick
7 months ago
Anonymous
Fontana didn't "own" Spock, so not her call what other writers can do with him.
Speaking of which -- same goes for you too.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Dude come off of it, MK. I know it's you because no else is hell bent on defending STD like you are.
Michael Burnham was a moronic idea, get over it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
If you want to spend your short time on Earth gatekeeping what people can do with fictional characters, go create some. Write a book, a comic, a drawing -- something. Then file your copyright and Precious is all yours.
But you never get to decide what is and is not Trek. It doesn't belong to you.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Nta but you have a redditor's understanding of culture. It has nothing to do with the legality of your cultural vandalism
7 months ago
Anonymous
>your cultural vandalism!!!
Oh dear.
Do you thing spending all day, every day girl b***hing on a sub of a chan about how much you hate all New Trek will change anything? Prodigy fans made a petition, posted on sites people actually read and even flew a sky banner to get their show back on the air. They succeeded. You havent. You won't.
7 months ago
Anonymous
bump
7 months ago
Bashirfaggot
Isn't this a cartoon for children? You have to be over 18 to post here.
7 months ago
Anonymous
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geezers vs manbabies the thread
7 months ago
Anonymous
from the troon that pretends anime are for adults
7 months ago
Anonymous
Leave her alone. I’m the devil remember? I’m right here. What’s wrong?
7 months ago
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no im pure evil
7 months ago
Anonymous
That’s the setup
7 months ago
Anonymous
>"fans" flew banners!
Like I said, you have a child's grasp of the world.
7 months ago
Anonymous
If you would like to list your personal achievements in stopping New Trek being made, please use the space below:
7 months ago
Anonymous
Because you have a child's grasp of the world, you think the conversation has anything to do whether influencing behavior, just as you believe a groundswell of "fan" support saved a show. You can't even follow the conversation.
You're young, so you haven't seen this same marketing tactic used to help engender interest in other failed shows like The Expanse, or Dark Angel, or a hundred others. As you see more of the world, you'll start to recognize patterns and realize this wasn't a novel event.
7 months ago
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That's it, I'm sending scat to your DMs
7 months ago
Anonymous
Can you send them to mine too?
Asking for a friend. That friend is my penis.
7 months ago
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7 months ago
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Post breasts
7 months ago
Anonymous
this is how you get scat porn spammed in your discord dms
7 months ago
Anonymous
Trekkies come in many shapes, colors, and sizes, and that's a good thing.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Me in the blue shirt and khaki pants on the left
7 months ago
Anonymous
So if someone buys the rights and tells me that Kirk likes to eat his own feces, I have to just accept that?
7 months ago
Anonymous
If you don't, it is what the science fiction community calls "headcanon."
You are entitled to your headcanon but that is where it belongs.
The worst part of this exclamation isn't that she said it at all, it's that she's saying it to a room full of people who should all have genius-level understanding of math. They wouldn't be in the room if they didn't.
It looks like a version of Star Trek that is written by people who have no experience of life outside of corporate pep talks and Slack conversations about how teamwork makes the dream work or whatever.
Wars was Luke, Leia and Han, everything else is cope. They killed each of them in different movie and tore down their legacy.
They don't have writers who can make it interesting in different era, and anything they do now leads to Luke molesting Ben in his bed.
I just wanna consume Star Wars products without Luke and leia and Han tbh, just give me cool shit about the empire doing stuff like taking over planets and blowing stuff up without any force stuff (or very little force/jedi sith stuff)
>Wars was Luke, Leia and Han, everything else is cope.
Wrong. WARS is the Skywalker story. Now all the Skywalkers are dead. Rey claiming the name Skywalker doesn't make her one. She's still a Palpatine. And the saddest thing of all is that the framework for the ST chracters has kino potential. >Rey is a Force sensitive scrapper/scavver. Should have lived on Ord Mantel or something instead of Not-Tatooine >Finn is a Stormtrooper defector who hates violence. Then promptly forgets about his blossoming character arc the second he sits down in the TIE's gunner seat >Poe is a wienery hotshot pilot, Han and Wedge fusion dance, but just comes across as a cheap Marvel character >Ben >Luke even thinking about murdering his nephew in his sleep >Han and Chewie EVER losing the Falcon >Leia not having the New Republic's full support >New Republic going full moron pacifist while allowing Imperial Remnant factions of various zealotry to operate freely >a Biggerer Badderer Death Star Suncrusher is unironically a cooler super weapon
This depends if we're talking theory or practice. It's not like it's impossible to tell cool stories in the SW universe. KOTOR or TFU were cool stories that were complete enough for everyone to enjoy: action, romance, humor. So theoretically possible.
In practice this won't happen of course, because you're asking elementary softball players to play MLB. Modern writers simply aren't capable of it. Worse, they can't help themselves by messing with proven stories. So whatever they'd come up with would be a complete and utter failed abortion of a movie or show.
But this could also be said of Star Trek. Unless STD and lower decks is somehow inspiring your confidence. The only reason Star Trek edges out Star Wars is because the two "new" movies weren't completely incoherent nonsense unlike the new trilogy.
Star Wars is easy to salvage.
Give it back to George, George invalidates everything Disney did, we start work on continuing the unfinished stories from before the sale.
You're right. I don't care what anyone says, I feel genuine disappointment at the fact that I will never be able to see George's original vision of the sequel trilogy (which I know was going to be radically different from the Nu-Rebels versus Nu-Empire slop Disney gave us).
both had some angry manchildren fans BUT most normies just dont give a shit about star trek BUT star wars actually managed to PISS OFF a bunch of normies so thats probably the bigger frick up.
Star Wars can always shift thousands of years forward or backward and start over. That's what Kotor 1 was. Plus it's action pulp so it can survive being awful and bloated. Star Trek is confined to a few hundred years in the future and needs some semblance of respectability for its formula of diplomacy + exploration to work. A lot of people now don't even know what made Star Trek good in the first place.
you say that, but they'd been doing nothing but dwell on the era between the prequels and the OT ever since Disney bought it, and even before that. A span of what, 30 years between the start and fall of the empire? Hell, Clone Wars ran for so long, they must have covered every week in between the 3 years between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith.
There were 133 episodes across the 7 seasons, so on average an episode of the clones wars happens about every 8 days in the Star Wars universe. I never thought about that, but it’s a ridiculous level of activity for a few people over 3 years. Their bodies literally couldn’t keep up
It checks out that a war between two equally matched polities battling for control of an entire galaxy would be a very active thing with little downtime. Still I'd argue that some unconnected arcs may take place at the same time so there might be a bit more downtime than that.
Some episodes are two parters, a couple of arcs are completely unrelated and have few if any main characters in them and the last couple of episodes take place at the same time as revenge of the sith. It still a shit lot of events happening in a couple of years but it fits with the narrative that the clone wars were kind of brutal. Besides they are space samurais/wizards, they have a little more stamina and endurance than regular people.
>they wanted to rip off Wrath of Khan because it's the easiest most obvious thing to make a Trek plot about even though the first movie already ripped it off with the angry Romulan revenge guy >They wanted Benedict Cucumbersnatch to be le epic villain at the peak of his stardom >frick it, let's just make him Khan
The worst part of it was the only real change they made was Kirk dying. And that mattered even less since it got fixed before the movie ended. They could've taken it in so many different directions, and they just chose membas.
Don't forget >Leaks come out saying bumberbatch is Khan >JJ and everyone involved spends months insisting leaks are lies, he totally isn't Khan >Cumbersnatch on screen going "I am Khan"
frick all studio execs, directors and producers the lying fricks
i have been burned by that so many times i flat out distrust other people, front to back.
I am so sick of people who lie, profit, and the story ends there. >"the twewy countdown isn't a mobile port and an album guys, just wait for it to end" >it's just a mobile port and an album >"no, it's an ENHANCED port and a SPECIAL soundtrack, sillies"
>they wanted to rip off Wrath of Khan because it's the easiest most obvious thing to make a Trek plot about even though the first movie already ripped it off with the angry Romulan revenge guy >They wanted Benedict Cucumbersnatch to be le epic villain at the peak of his stardom >frick it, let's just make him Khan
This really should've been a bigger deal with the way people complain about representation nowadays and it's the only one I would actually agree with.
Trek had actual things to say about le society, so I'd say that.
SW has always been fantasy tripe based on meme myths and legends and it should've been just that. Somebody can sweep in at any time and put it back on rails.
Trek can't be restored so easily, it needs more cerebral effort.
The Disney Star Wars sequels were utter shit but aside from those the other Disney Wars productions have been at worst mediocre and occasionally actually good.
In contrast Star Trek has been getting routinely shit on with the sole exception of Picard season 3 which was the only good Trek of the last decade and arguably Lower Decks and Prodigy which were at least not complete abominations.
Both are deader than dead, and not going to be less than completely dead going forward
Only good SW was the OT. The should have never made anything after it, unless it was small stories 1000 years removed from the main events, with no connection to those stories/characters
And to savage ST you would need to decanonize everything since the reboot and murder everyone who worked on the IP since then
How to save Trek >new series >new iteration of the Enterprise on maiden voyage in the year 3000 >new Enterprise is intergalactic with a fancy shmancy quantum entanglement drive(can't be used in-galaxy, only galaxy to galaxy because science reasonsunless the episode calls for it) >Federation most dominant after Romulans and Klingons join ~2700-2900 (whichever gives both factions enough time to assimilate to Federation standards but still chafe under cultural differences)
How save STAR WARS >ignore Disney canon >embrace antiquity
Star Trek. Star Wars is pretty much the same its always been as just a dumb silly adventure for kids. Star Trek on the other hand shits all over the fundamental philosophies of the franchise and it's never going to get better because they want to reach a completely different audience and fans are so starved and abused for decent Star Trek content they're okay with that too.
Star wars.
Treck has been around for longer, and it's current projects ranges from shit to decent. The crappy shows are also easily retconnable out from the Canon, most of them living inside their own vacuum while the series can easily be resurrected with some good writers.
Meanwhile SW is set on a dead end thanks to the whole sequel trilogy, which has been released as a movie (so Canon for most of the people around the world) and disney seems adamant about not erasing it... On the contrary, they've set most of their post-OT shows into following said Canon... So retconning it out would mean retconning also a lot of interconnected and bad shows too.... Which would be a complete financial failure for Lucasfilm and disney... So it's never happening unless by some unexpected miracle
Andor has like a handful of kino moments that are spread among hours and hours of fast food like crap.
It's crazy, because at it's core we're looking at a heist movie, a spy thriller and a prison break. How did they manage to make it so tedious at times?
Even so it's better than anything else star wars has done in the past decade aside from Rogue one and mandalorian (the first half of season 1).
DS9 brought in Star Wars fans and hence, plebs into the fandom. I'm not saying DS9 is bad. I'm saying it attracted the pew pew spesh lazers crowd. With it, came women who saw the relatively progressive Trek universe and thought they belong. This combination first led to the Enterprise series and nu-movies where Trek turned into a country western pastiche (to please the SW crowd) and then the Discovery series which pandered to the tumblr crowd. From then on it went downhill fast.
Trek had it worse, but Trek also has more of a possible future if they clean house, stop being edgelords, and recenter on being a thoughtful sci fi series. All the crappy Trek content they've made is easily ignorable. Just make The Next Generation 2.0 with a new cast in a new part of space encountering new things and (provided it's actually good) you're golden.
Star Wars kind of fricked itself by having everything in the entire universe culminate with Rey turning into the Jedi Avatar and asploding Palpatine, who had already absorbed all the Sith and became the Dark Avatar. It's the biggest thing to ever happen in that universe and reframed all content as leading to that ultimate confrontation. Luke, Leia and Han were also all killed off at their lowest moments and having made everything worse specifically so this new character could redeem their (contrived) failures in an ebin lightshow battle with Some Guy she doesn't even have any real connection to who's only there because we, the audience, recognize who he is. Disney Star Wars is basically Brian Herbert Dune. There's little hope without just nuking the new canon they've created and starting over.
Wars didn’t have as much going for it and the sequel trilogy basically killed expanding the audience
As bad as trek has gotten at its heart it’s just “space ship goes to weird planet” and you can always just do that again fairly easily
You could side stories completely removed from the main plotlines in both franchises. Thats what Mandalorian s1 was before it became fanservice galore.
Star Wars. It was basically the American myth for about two decades, now it's just a product. (Yes, I know it was always merchandised to hell and back, but there was actually a soul during the OT days.)
Star Wars was ruined by Disney, who has given up creatively after their sequel trilogy disaster and are going to push forward with Daisey Ridley just to make some more shekels. It's irreparably fricked.
Almost no one likes her to this day. She is pretty much considered the modern iteration of "Mary Sue"...... Kinda ironic considering she was a OC from Star Treck
Get out of the 4chins bubble. People only hate her here, and thats because most anons are jobless and loveless people who literally watch anime, they hate anything. I can't think of the last time people here liked anything besides some kind of porn.
Star Trek. Star Wars was always just dumb fun to be honest. Meanwhile Star Trek used to be an actually thought-provoking series and it's now just a massive joke.
Star wars was always cringe tbh whilst trek had a few moments over the years. In that regard trek has faired far worse But they're both absolute shit shows now anyway
multiverse was always a thing in trek, so literally everything can be cut off at the point where star trek 2009 splits the old canon into the new canon, while leaving the nu-trek technically in-canon. everything one likes can be basically head-canoned into being legitimate given the infinite multiverses
lower decks and season 3 of picard are okay despite being nu-canon (though LD seems to do most of the heavy lifting in terms of actually interacting with old canon)
for star wars, the idea that it was like real history, a "saga" that went in one direction based on "destiny", works in the opposite direction to the capeshit "multiverse" idea where bad business decision and hubraic hebris can be negated retroactively by retcon
so they got off to a bad start by completely disowning the old canon while making an inferior version
tentative steps were taken in side media to make a multiverse or time travel possible, but for all intensive porpoises, Israel wants the funkopop-buying audience to care as much about three and a half tv shows as the old fans did about 30 years of novels and comics and video games, as if that's "all there is to it", or that they care as much about the previous multi-billion dollar movie's continuity as much as the old lucasfilm crowd cared about the continuity of unpopular novels 30 years apart from each other
Both of these have been throughly desecrated. Its hard to say. Star Wars however has had its rape more publically displayed than Star Trek. When you ask random people about Star Trek, they think of the original series or maybe Next Generation. No one really watched the putrid shit that has been produced recently. But with Star Wars, way more people were witness to it. The reputation of Star Wars is more associated with the shit in the general population. Its more visibly stained, even if both are stained to the core.
Star Trek was dealing in weird timelines and over the top twilight zone style crazy shit like that from the beginning they can always just reset everything at some point and say “uhh yeah ..that other garbage happened in another universe” in Star Wars this is much more difficult. It was more like a carefully constructed gem a sci-fi world with defined boundaries and an internal story about the Skywalker family and the battle between Sith and Jedi, it’s more of a fragile series that really deserved much more careful planning and handling than it received. Star Wars doesn’t have any path to bouncing back. The only hope I guess would be if they sell it to some other company and that company publicly apologizes to the fans for all this garbage that has been produced and simply declares it not canon. Everything made after 1990 should be considered non-canon and sort of EU expansionist stuff. Then..perhaps, hire someone artistic and with a high degree of skill, like a young George Lucas type a film maker in art school, and maybe let them have a crack at making a trilogy set in that same universe but about a different family and different Jedi and Sith, maybe hundreds of years later or hundreds of years before the original trilogy. No woke shit, no “poetry”, no CGI everywhere, just good real cinematography, an excellent original and compelling story with a heroes arc, good morals, etc. it would have to 100% stand on its own without leaning in the OT. that 100% will never happen though, so I think trek is in a better place because they could do that instantly and there would be no issues, with Star Wars it’s just not going to happen.
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This exact thing has happened MULTIPLE times in the comics industry, both after the introduction of the Hayes code and after some stagnation in the 50s. People thought Lee and Kirby were fools for trying to inject an actual deep - at the time - narrative into something "for kids."
The pendulum will swing and swing back. Get off my lawn. The kids are all right. Shit will get better.
>This exact thing has happened MULTIPLE times in the comics industry
Yes, I know. And today the best selling titles in American comics do less business than most big city food trucks. If you tell such shitty stories for such a long time that people stop watching, it doesn't help you to reset things, because have people have stopped watching. To continue the comparison, Marvel and DC could start printing the best stories ever told in human history, and it wouldn't matter now because who would even know?
I think your argument is less of an indictment of comics and more of an endorsement of the awesomeness of food trucks.
I do not share your pessimism, anon. I am a science fiction fan and concomitant with that is a sense of optimism.
I am not saying you are wrong but I hope I am right and only time will tell.
Food trucks are based.
I get your point but I still think that if they reset the product and then put it back on course in a good direction I do think that could be a way of making a truce with a lot of the fans who may be willing to give it one last chance or at least making new fans. If this were done in Star Wars, they sold the company they apologized for the trash made post 1990 and de-canonized all of that trash, then made actual decent films with creative and talented film makers just solid entertaining films or tv shows I could absolutely see myself watching these again. But it’s just not going to happen so this discussion is mostly meaningless. I do think trek is in a better place though. I watched the black mirror episode “space fleet” which was a fake version of star trek and I was literally blown away. I was like holy shut, THAT is more Star Trek than anything I’ve seen since TNG. If they just released a show like that with cute girls, retro effects and designs and a strong male lead with charisma going on adventures I would absolutely watch that show. Instead, they make these weird constipated sexless shows with women completely covered up with hamfisted morals about social justice, uncharismatic female captains, everything seems stiff and uptight, regurgitated plots, it’s not fun, it’s not interesting, it’s like SJW propaganda in Star Trek clothing, it’s just crap. People want to see adventure, interesting stories, cute girls, charismatic men, cool effects and real science fiction. Fans could return to both franchises if they course correct, but they absolutely will not.
Something happened to the writing profession, I really don't think they're capable of writing Trek style commentary without coming off as hamfisted and jaundiced and convinced you just don't get it.
because writers now base their stuff off what their twitter feed tells them
writers back then were basing it off their experiences in WW2 and 'nam, and from writing police procedurals, as well as war movies
So many kinotheque Star Trek episodes in the past had the writers come out and say "oh yeah, we just based this off some war movie from the 50s" and it worked
Me, I don't care if the lead is a male, as long as they're a well-written interesting character.
Janeway would still be annoying if the character was male.
Much of what made nuTrek terrible already took place in an alternate universe to begin with, but you can't retcon or forget the shit that Picard brought to the franchise.
what they did to the TNG cast was unforgivable
the TOS people all got to live happily ever after (except Kirk, and I guess Spock) but everyone from TNG had to suffer
only Geordi made it out okay
>Picard - fails trying to save the Romulans so just sulks on his vineyard for 20 years, tries to redeem himself but gets shit on by stronk femyles >Riker and Troi - their kid fricking dies >Data - lives on as a copy that begs to be killed, then gets reincarnated as a copy of a copy >Worf - gets command of the Enterprise-E, loses it somehow, everyone makes fun of him after >Crusher - has a Borg kid from Picard's nanite infested sperm, pulls the "MUH I PROTECTED HIM FROM YOU" shtick, come the frick on Beverly would never do that
>Geordi - has two hot daughters and gets to do whatever he wants with leftover starship parts
Decent composite. Gives a good sense of how much space Vader takes up.
Post-Prequels Vader etc kinda loses his dominating physical presence until that small bit at the end of Rogue One they added on. Even then he was still a bit slender.
Trek is salvageable. Wars is not. Trek has the easily ability to retcon anything through time travel, but Wars did three shitty movies that took a beloved 70s-80s property and turned it into pure shit. They'd better pull some force time travel powers out of their ass because all they have left is side stories. Mandalorian has been good, and Fallen Order has been good. Other than that, they're floundering.
Star Wars, without a doubt. Trek was always a TV franchise and that's where it will stay forever. Star Wars was a pioneer of blockbuster movies and they can't get a movie to theaters because directors and writers keep getting fired or quit.
because writers now base their stuff off what their twitter feed tells them
writers back then were basing it off their experiences in WW2 and 'nam, and from writing police procedurals, as well as war movies
Do you realize that JG is talking to the people who acutally make Trek and having an impact on the Trek they make? While you are still on a sub of a chan at 3 AM screaming at yourself about how much you hate Trek, while the Police take notes?
>troony activist
What does it matter to you if someone wants to cut off their junk? How does this in any affect you? On the other hand, this gender fellow seems to care a lot about star trek and has the willpower to follow through with it, versus effete b***hing on an animu forum .
And -- they're not listening to you. At all. Ever.
So, where does put you and your thousands of posts? Far -- far -- below them.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>they would rather listen to LGBT propagandists than Trekkies
I know!
7 months ago
Anonymous
Why do you keep coming back to this nonargument? People are saying the product is bad, and you keep ranting that they're listening to dicksaw troons and not actual customers. Yes, we know, that's why it's bad. Are you trying to incoherently troll or something?
7 months ago
Anonymous
> actual customers!!!
But, as you angrily tell us hundreds of times each day, you don't watch New Trek, you refuse to subscribe to Paramount+, you don't buy the books, comics, records, merchandise, you don't go to the conventions -- and you pirate media.
In what possible sense are you their "customer"?
7 months ago
Anonymous
Many people in these threads liked some NuTrek at some point, and were betrayed by writers prioritizing the agenda over the story. Eat a bag of dicks.
You think you’re innocent, but you’re a piece of shit. Everyone here wants to like this stuff. But they can’t, because they don’t want us to. Troon influencers are more important to them than your average Trekkie. I’m not even transphobic or homophobic, but holy frick, this is peak media derangement. NuTrek writers have probably done more to radicalize people than any alt-righter could ever dream of.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>In what possible sense are you their "customer"?
In the sense that I used to watch their shows, buy tickets to their movies, play their video games, read their books, and even eat at their Vegas restaurant once, and no longer do any of these things because their product became bad, because they took their audience for granted and decided to listen to a very small corner of a very small mentally ill population.
Your notion of obligated lifelong consumption divorced from actual quality and attributes is telling.
7 months ago
Anonymous
> I bought lunch 30 years ago. They owe me!
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Buy a good restaurant >Don't keep any of the staff >Start serving literal shit >All your business disappears >"T-they weren't our customers! We want an all new shit-eating audience!"
Fair enough I guess, they're technically not your customers because they don't dine at your establishment anymore, but you could have saved money by buying your own lot and starting a new restaurant.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Don't keep any of the staff!
Scores of Old Trek actors are doing New Trek.
>All your business disappears!
61 million Paramount+ subscribers. Top 10 Streaming shows.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>61 million Paramount+ subscribers
And how many of them get it with Walmart+ or T-Mobile? 61 million is a pathetic number for a service bundled with other shit.
Zoomers can't understand the notion of why keeping customers is good and losing them is bad. Go to a hotel, it's infested with roaches. Stop going to hotel. "Oh well you weren't their customer haha looks like troons win again haha", the future is downright grim.
He’s not a zoomer. He’s a boomer NuTrek cultist. You don’t like NuTrek or Jessie Gender and you’re the enemy of the state.
7 months ago
Anonymous
That is the paid subscribers count, as you've been told a hundred times.
> No! Nobody watches what I don't like!
7 months ago
Anonymous
>paid subscribers count
Then what is the actual count. >…we don’t know
It’s 61 million.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah he's for sure a boomer, he's always making references to shit only boomers would get.
And that makes him worse than a zoomer, because boomers have sat through 60+ years of talmudvision until their brains turned to mush, which is why they accept today's slop.
They're also close to death and they're afraid [current product] might be the last thing they see. So, they pretend to like it.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Scores of Old Trek actors are doing New Trek.
actors do not have anything to do with what is being produced. They simply agree or disagree to do a role you vapid twat
7 months ago
Anonymous
But George Takei!!!!!
7 months ago
Anonymous
Zoomers can't understand the notion of why keeping customers is good and losing them is bad. Go to a hotel, it's infested with roaches. Stop going to hotel. "Oh well you weren't their customer haha looks like troons win again haha", the future is downright grim.
>Kowtowing
A fan makes a reasoned argument and they concur
Why are you so afraid of troons? Are you afraid of you spend too much time around them, you'll lose the battle against your autogynephelia?
The troon has better opinions on Trek, simple as. Let them have it, it's not like he is winning on looks or personality.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>The troon has better opinions on Trek
Star Trek is only a vehicle for the agenda to the troon. It does not care about it otherwise.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Bold claim. Back it up, homosexual.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Just look at some videos on his channel. Jessie Gender is radicalizing adolescents with his output, he’s waging a witch hunt against JK Rowling, and now influencing NuTrek writing. I mean, that last bit doesn’t surprise me at all -- that’s the kind of trash it was since its conception.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>talking about scat porn and children’s programs >the gay adults in dresses in shows for adults with sexual themes are corrupting the youth!
You are insane
7 months ago
Anonymous
Deluding yourself into being of the opposite sex is next level shit. The west is terrorized by schizos on both sides of the political spectrum, incels and troons alike.
7 months ago
Anonymous
There have ALWAYS been transgender people. Through all time. You are a willfully ignorant frick. When encouraged to put on a woman’s clothes Joan of Arc said “I will put them on for God when I die”
7 months ago
Anonymous
There have always been mentally ill people. Your point? There has always been rape and cannibalism as well. It doesn't mean anything.
7 months ago
Anonymous
My point is there have not always been incels. Transgender people are not mentally ill. The social media issue is inflating things. Many cultures all around the world have had biological men live as women for all time. There have never been incels before. People didn’t grab a sword and butcher a school in their own community in the time of Joan of Arc. This is new. And these school shooters are groomed in places just like this. By your goofy ass
7 months ago
Anonymous
Jej alright believe whatever you want to believe, at least I don't spend all day in a place I hate full of people who want me to kill myself and think I'm a pedophile.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You’re projecting
7 months ago
Anonymous
Lol what? You blamed me for grooming incel shooters just because I post here. Clearly you don't like this place. Your take is schizophrenic.
7 months ago
Anonymous
You’re gonna get you door kicked down by feds
7 months ago
Anonymous
For pointing out someone else said I groom incel shooters? I never said I did. I don't, it's based on absolutely nothing.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>grooming incel shooters
Like, grooming people into being incel shooters or grooming incel shooters into unbalanced relationships? The former seems unlikely, if anything, incel shooters don't groom at all. And the latter seems unlikely, who wants a coercive blowy joey from a shooter?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Many cultures all around the world have had biological men live as women for all time
You’re full of shit. True gender dysphoria is a terrible thing, but it’s exceedingly rare. Acquired gender dysphoria is a new phenomenon and it’s the product of manipulation.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Nice word salad dumbfrick
7 months ago
Anonymous
You don’t know what “word salad” means.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Nothing you just said means anything. It’s 1984 new slang. It’s dude in a dress and it’s not your problem. You’re a closeted homosexual
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Nothing you just said means anything
Open a dictionary then.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Making up new adverse definitions of definitions of words doesn’t lead to you winning an argument. It leads to a perpetual barrage of missile fire. Open up a copy of 1984 you illiterate esl
7 months ago
Anonymous
You’re embarrassing yourself.
7 months ago
Anonymous
They're in a constant yes-means-no state of mind, the revelation that they can say one thing but silently redefine the words to mean something else is the height of cunning for them.
7 months ago
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>Gender dysphoria is exceedingly rare. >0.005% in men and 0.002% in women >According to those numbers, you’d be looking at 100k trans people max in the United States, and that’s being generous >In 2022, 1.6mil people identified as trans in the US
Yes means yes, I’m afraid. One is a genuine condition, and the other is a social contagion.
Let’s look at another claim: >There were always trans people across history!!
France had an estimated population of 11 million in the 15th century. That adds up to around 200-300 women with gender dysphoria. What are the odds?
7 months ago
Anonymous
I agree with you. The other anon was complaining about word misuse so I never even considered they were the pro troon. The cartoon reality is always getting worse.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>The cartoon reality is always getting worse.
Incorrect. Season 4 is better than ever.
7 months ago
Anonymous
no it's not it's total garbage, the whole show is total garbage
you're total garbage
7 months ago
Anonymous
You’re an incel cringe lord >I am le pure evil
Oof
7 months ago
Anonymous
Who are you quoting
7 months ago
Anonymous
Your mothers c**t
7 months ago
Anonymous
I have two dads homosexual
7 months ago
Anonymous
The only garbage here is your assessment, with which I am unconcerned
7 months ago
Anonymous
So glad to hear Mike say T'Lyn is coming back in Star Trek: Lower Decks S05.
> No she's not! Because Paramount went bankrupt and all their shows were cancelled!
Just ignore him.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Who are you quoting, schizo?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>dude it's like le daria if she was a vulcan!!
ugh
7 months ago
Anonymous
You act as if Daria were bad. Frick off, tastelet.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>True gender dysphoria is a terrible thing, but it’s exceedingly rare. Acquired gender dysphoria is a new phenomenon and it’s the product of manipulation.
Tell me about Scotsmen next.
7 months ago
Anonymous
There have absolutely always been incel types, these are men who would be too weak to hunt so they would stay behind to try and get crumbs of pussy (often through nonviolent rape, like the modern predditor or discord groomer). This was a viable survivor strategy, because there will always be crumbs of pussy, and as a whole it's good for a village to have men staying behind and improving the village or providing services to try and attract a mate.
At some point the incel types kind of took over, but not quite, because guys like Isaac Newton died without ever seeing a titty.
The problem is the sexual revolution dried up all the pussy crumbs finally until women reach a certain age, unless if you want to argue sexual dynamics are the exact same as they were before the revolution. Now we all get to feel the impotent frick rage of a million soibois.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Why do obese unemployed 4chins le heckin based boys talk like this? You know what you are. You literally watch anime
7 months ago
Anonymous
Meds (not the pink ones, the other ones)
7 months ago
Anonymous
Lose weight, get a job, stop trying to use foreign cartoons to seem interesting, it's embarrassing your mother
7 months ago
Anonymous
>not the pink ones
Amoxicillin has saved more lives than any other antibiotic. Frick you.
7 months ago
Anonymous
My rule of thumb is I trust people to know what's best for their own body and I don't let anyone tell me what's best for mine. Try that approach and you'll be just fine, cranky anon. >inb4 "muh impressionable kiss"
It's the parents jobs to teach critical thinking skills against every bad influence, be it drugs, sexual deviance, vandalism, etc.
7 months ago
Anonymous
The problem is the public school system separates parents from their kids 5/7 days of the week and can show kids an environment where you will get constant praise and attention for coming out as trans even if you're not yet capable of understanding what a boy or girl really is. I can try to teach my kids right and wrong, but I can't teach a 5 year old how to mentally prepare for constant a constant psychological barrage of ideology outside of their understanding.
7 months ago
Anonymous
So do private school, jeez .
7 months ago
Anonymous
I agree with you, but kids are clearly capable of knowing boy from girl before they ever get to preschool unless they're literally moronic. And honestly even then they probably can.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Boys idea of a girl before puberty is like "they like pink and wear dresses". That's hardly a great understanding.
7 months ago
Anonymous
Kindergarten boys routinely stand up in class and announce that boys have a penis and girls have a vegana, I've seen the footage
7 months ago
Anonymous
And they don't have access to it's full functionality, if you asked me how I felt about having a penis at 8 years old I wouldn't understand, if you ask me now I can tell you it's awesome. Some things you don't really know until you experience them, that's the problem. I don't have any problems if trannies identify the flags for PERSISTENT gender euphoria, but most of the discussion I see is just shutting down questions, especially from non-consenting parents, so it doesn't give me confidence. In my country there's a guy who the courts keep putting in prison for so much as talking to his daughter the wrong way, this is a girl who had mental problems long before gender dysphoria, he should at least be allowed to ask if this is real and get informed.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>trust people to know what's best for their own body
Except it’s not that simple. There is a trans pipeline people like Jessie Gender utilize ruthlessly to induct more people into their sexual cult.
1. Gender dysphoria can occur during adolescence. It passes with time.
2. However, if the kid stumbles upon a YouTube video telling them that they’re actually trans, they’ll go down that rabbit hole.
3. They’ll join Discord servers and private communities where everyone is affirming their transness, while parents are oblivious to what is happening.
4. Next thing you know, the kid is requesting gender affirmative care. By that point, it’s too late to object, and the doctor takes over.
5. The doctor will usually make a nice buck off of enabling the kid’s transition.
Do you see how fricked up this is? I say kid because it happened to my girlfriend’s cousin, but it can happen to anyone regardless of age. It’s a dangerous movement, and Jessie Gender is part of it.
By the way, Star Trek is for nerds and star wars is for normal people. Not normies, just normal fricking people who like good and interesting things. Fricking hate star trek and Trekkies. Christ.
Trek is sadly and truly dead. And it's corpse is not even getting fricked now. It lies silently on top of a mulch pile.
Star Wars, on the other hand, is a blinged mexican zombie, which goes out partying on the Day of the Dead by itself. But the evil power behind it is dwindling each time it is used.
Idk, I don't think I know enough about trek to have a proper opinion.
The Abrams movies for Trek are actually good and I like them a lot, where as star wars is absolutely shitty.
On the other hand, I enjoy almost all of the star wars shows and the auxillary movies were good and I believe the new trek shows probably suck? I'm just a big TNG fan show wise.
they permanently f'd-up Trek by going to the future with Discovery, where space crybaby blew up all ships everywhere, and the Federation disolved, and Earth went back to literal build-a-wall-around-it xenophobes. Earth was even mad about helping mysterious masked people who turned out to be -other Humans- from Jupiter Moon (or somethng I don't remember)
So much for "evolved humans" and a better tomorrow. Nope. We all turn out to be "regular people" afterall.
They basically "jobbed" THE WHOLE POINT of Star Trek to make Michael Burnham and the Discovery ship look like they were the best thing ever, when they save the ideals of the Federation. (and for a brief moment of "WHOA! What is going on!" shock and surprise.)
And even if they re-time-travel to fix the crybaby event that caused the Federation to disband, the point is that it DID. And humanity went back to the old ways. So the bright future is pointed out as a complete crock of shit illusion that goes away when we run out of gas and have not yet invented electric cars (was that the metaphor they were going with? IDK)
I'm not saying that Trek can't fix it, they need to basically admit Discovery did not travel into the future, but also a different dimension, as well. But that might also be too late since Guardian of Forever told Mirror Universe Michelle Yeoh that SHE was, and did not mention the rest of Discovery. He might have been coy, let's hope so.
Isn't Paramount in serious trouble because they bet everything on nuTrek being a massive success? They turned their streaming service into the Star Trek Network but all their subscribers just want to relive their adventures with whatever crew they grew up with. Nobody is watching the new stuff. Disney is having the same problem with Star Wars, but they have their eggs in many baskets. nuTrek is killing Paramount.
They took away Star Trek Prodigy and now it's going to Netflix, so yeah they sort of spent way too much money on Star Trek shows not enough people are watching. I'd say with the way they started trying to please longtime fans more is a sign of what they were doing before simply wasn't working.
>with the way they started trying to please longtime fans
Only with Picard S3. The cartoon is literally written under instructions of a troony influencer, and SNW is a Discovery spin-off.
I haven't watched any of nuTrek, but just from what I heard from other people they've liked Picard Season 3, LD, and SNW. I think they're just starved for anything Star Trek so when things get marginally better they're really happy about it.
> Prodigy going to Netflix proves no one is watching it!
Then why did Netflix buy it?
> *screams*
They had already made the second season and they figured it would be more profitable to let Netflix show it.
Same reason they pay for literally hundreds of shows that people don't watch. It's like you people are stuck in that childlike state where you think all the adults are infallible. The netflix strategy has been "pay for ANYTHING" for most of your life.
All they had to do was hire fanboys on the level of Matt Stone and Trey Parker to run wild within some established rules. But instead they did the opposite. Brought on people who either hated or didn't understand Star Trek to make shows for other people who either hate or don't understand Star Trek. And now they wonder why they can't find an audience.
> Prodigy going to Netflix proves no one is watching it!
Then why did Netflix buy it?
> *screams*
Netflix has the international rights to Star Trek. They're probably testing the waters to see if they can buy the franchise outright. Now Paramount can be The Yellowstone Network.
Paramount is giving Netflix a run for their money when it comes to gayness. I’m not sure if I can take another lesbian season of Lesbian Decks written by Jessie Gender.
Yes, but people who have no job have seen that they didn't lock the doors to corporate with a chain so that means there's no trouble at all, because zoomers can only understand extremes. You're either the most successful company EVAR or the company closed last week, and if it's not one it must be the other.
I remember when Netflix was revealed to report a view anytime their auto playing previews triggered for it. Thank God all the other streaming services are more honest with their unregulated and undefined reporting of "view"
I'm enough of an oldgay to remember 'Which is better?' Trek/Wars debates on the internet. >mfw literally debating which is worse in the CURRENT YEAR. I have no face.
The tech in Star Wars is several orders of magnitude better than anything in Star Trek, despite the later having a shinier appearance. The whole idea of Voyager was that it would take one of the fastest ships ever built seventy years to make a trip a rusty drug smuggler could make in two weeks.
I miss those days. There's still a few old websites like Star Wars Technical Commentaries up, reminders of a better time where the internet was filled with better minds and better personalities. The smart phone turned the web into an intellectual ghetto.
They are both fricked. Star Wars is ruined while the central complaints of the ST are unresolved. Vader didn't kill the Emperor. That said, I feel like Star Wars as a setting is more workable. Star Trek is very vulnerable to political trends because it takes place in the real world so their history is us, while Star Wars doesn't even take place in the same galaxy and is more of a fable.
Because Vulcans are so much stronger than humans despite not being visibly larger, we can conclude that Vulcan muscles are much stronger than the equivalent amount of human muscle. Therefore a Vulcan's veganal grip would be inhumanely strong, and may actually pull it off
Zoomer take; I grew up with Star Wars and after the Disney films I pretty much accepted that it was over, for me at least. I've talked to younger zoomers that have only seen the sequels, so the current state of wars it pretty bad. I'm new to Trek but for me it feels like since it has a smaller audience, fewer people have seen the bad stuff and accepted it as canon. Were they to revive the franchise properly, I think it would be an easier time to gloss over Discovery etc than for Wars to forget the sequels.
The only way for a franchise to survive decades is to remain creator owned and to pass to children that try to protect it. But eventually even that fails, Chris Tolkien died and here comes Rings of Power. We need new things to fill the Star Wars and Star Trek archetypes. But the idea of creator ownership is long gone too, someone like Lucas negotiating with Fox and getting to keep the rights will never happen again.
Gene Roddenberry passed Star Trek to Rick Berman who would protect it.
He did mean well, it's just some decisions made were... poor. Many other things that went wrong were out of his hands, though.
After that is when israeliteisraelite Abrahams grabbed it, then Alex Kurtzman.
Rick Berman was a israelite as well, anon.
but the based kind of israelite who didn't strictly hire other chosen people to run the shows
in fact the 90s Treks were the least Hebrew in the entire franchise
incorrect
it was a perfect send off for those of us who grew up on TNG
of course if you're not actually a fan and didn't play STO in it's heyday or engage with the lore at all I can see how it might come off as corny or hokey
oh so you have no argument, nice
the only people I've seen hate on Picard are simpletons who never understood Gene's vision to begin with
that still has not changed
the people who hate on picard have taste, anon
it shits all over gene's vision
7 months ago
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>gene's vision
Was endless coed orgies, full stop. Stop deifying him like boomers did the Beatles, or the uneducated do Trump. Grow a spine and follow your own vision to the stars.
Star Trek has shitty fans that can't get along with each other.
For fans of shows about cooperation and compromise, Mallrats and TNGeezers do not walk the walk.
You don't even have to like the new shows, they frick with Enterprise, Voyager, and TOS fans. I am guessing that Star Wars fans have a similar type that grumbles angrily about anything made after Return of the Jedi. I haven't ever seen a Star Wars fan dance a jig every time Disney stock prices drop 12 cents. /trek/ has an assclown that does that shit for 20 hours a day.
Voyager killed Trek a long time ago, and Enterprise sealed the casket in six feet of concrete with that ridiculous intro. In hindsight that was the origin of Beastie Boys Trek, the canary in the coal mine on just how out of touch the decision makers were.
Beastie boys trek did well enough. You’re the one who’s out of touch moron that’s why you don’t feel like it’s made for you. It isn’t made for you in the same way a racist was not meant to enjoy TOS. You’re not supposed to like it. It’s supposed to start a conversation among the people who relate on how to most humanly remove you from a society of whom you refuse to respect others rights to live. Ideally you would change your mind and actually join the conversation instead of copy pasting rhetoric like a drooling troll. There is a killing setting for a reason though. If you keep threatening people you will most surely die yourself
>we need to make Trek cool... >let's have Kirk listen to the hip new band The Beastie Boys
Lmao. Sounds like that moron that wanted Spider-Man to do extreme bicycle tricks while tweeting "nbd"
Trek is salvageable, Wars is not.
>Trek is salvageable
>Engineering, send the Architect to the Bridge.
thing is with all the timeline bullshit DIS can be forgotten from canon completely without any worldbuilding consequences. In 2 seasons of SNW, there was no mention of Spocks moronic sister Burnham
Deleting STD won't fix the franchise because all the people who made STD and thought Spock's moronic sister Burnham was a good idea are still in place and still making decisions. Most of the people who agreed to Beastie Boys Trek are still there.
I loathe Kurtzman, but to be fair, he was not involved in the first 2-3 seasons of STD. His trek is even worse in its own dishonest way.
Why did the USS Discovery travel 800 years into the future in the first place? To hide the knowledge of the AI monster from the 23rd century?
Control was Section 31's threat assessment system. It relied on artificial intelligence and was located in a data center at Section 31 Headquarters.
When exposed to the mystical ancient sphere data, control became self aware and assessed all organic life as an eventual threat, so basically, SKYNET from the Terminator franchise, but somehow more capeshit.
What this frick is this shit? I've never seen any episode of STD. Is this what STD is like, lmao?
It's usually worse believe it or not
why don't people realize that giving Spock a secret human sister just shits all over DC Fontana's intent that he was an only child which piled onto his loneliness
but people go UMMM BUT HE HAS A BROTHER TOO SYBOK MEMBER?
yeah and that also sucked, what's your point?
>shits all over DC Fontana's intent
DC Fontana is dead and her estate was okay with it.
of course they would, they love money
just like how roddenberry's kid (who hated his dad anyway) loves the paycheck he gets for having his name on the nu shit
It's show business for a reason. If you want pure art, there is plenty of fan material out there, much of which is untethered to a franchise.
Not him but Spock lied about his whole family including his mom, dad and siblings. The point is you're acting like this does not fit in with his character when its literally how EVERY member of his family has been revealed since day one. Anyone that says she does not fit with the rest is talking out of their ass.
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Spock lied to his own father in Yesteryear.
Also, what would it be like if Wil Wheaton was a poster in Cinemaphile?
Pic related is purely conjecture.
>links a clip to an episode that DC Fontana wrote
It's her word, not mine, butthole.
>DOROTHY FONTANA: I like a good story— but there are certain basic ground rules established which I don’t think can be easily tossed aside. I really hated it when one of the features (STAR TREK V) came up with a half brother for Spock when I had always insisted he had no other siblings. But I guess it isn’t "canon" if I wrote it. Go figure.
oh and >inb4 WHATS YOUR SOURCE????
https://trekmovie.com/2007/07/22/dc-fontana-on-tas-canon-and-sybok/
suck my dick
Fontana didn't "own" Spock, so not her call what other writers can do with him.
Speaking of which -- same goes for you too.
Dude come off of it, MK. I know it's you because no else is hell bent on defending STD like you are.
Michael Burnham was a moronic idea, get over it.
If you want to spend your short time on Earth gatekeeping what people can do with fictional characters, go create some. Write a book, a comic, a drawing -- something. Then file your copyright and Precious is all yours.
But you never get to decide what is and is not Trek. It doesn't belong to you.
Nta but you have a redditor's understanding of culture. It has nothing to do with the legality of your cultural vandalism
>your cultural vandalism!!!
Oh dear.
Do you thing spending all day, every day girl b***hing on a sub of a chan about how much you hate all New Trek will change anything? Prodigy fans made a petition, posted on sites people actually read and even flew a sky banner to get their show back on the air. They succeeded. You havent. You won't.
bump
Isn't this a cartoon for children? You have to be over 18 to post here.
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from the troon that pretends anime are for adults
Leave her alone. I’m the devil remember? I’m right here. What’s wrong?
no im pure evil
That’s the setup
>"fans" flew banners!
Like I said, you have a child's grasp of the world.
If you would like to list your personal achievements in stopping New Trek being made, please use the space below:
Because you have a child's grasp of the world, you think the conversation has anything to do whether influencing behavior, just as you believe a groundswell of "fan" support saved a show. You can't even follow the conversation.
You're young, so you haven't seen this same marketing tactic used to help engender interest in other failed shows like The Expanse, or Dark Angel, or a hundred others. As you see more of the world, you'll start to recognize patterns and realize this wasn't a novel event.
That's it, I'm sending scat to your DMs
Can you send them to mine too?
Asking for a friend.
That friend is my penis.
Post breasts
this is how you get scat porn spammed in your discord dms
Trekkies come in many shapes, colors, and sizes, and that's a good thing.
Me in the blue shirt and khaki pants on the left
So if someone buys the rights and tells me that Kirk likes to eat his own feces, I have to just accept that?
If you don't, it is what the science fiction community calls "headcanon."
You are entitled to your headcanon but that is where it belongs.
They already cancelled that show. Meanwhile all the failed filoni slop is still being churned out.
lol spbp
The worst part of this exclamation isn't that she said it at all, it's that she's saying it to a room full of people who should all have genius-level understanding of math. They wouldn't be in the room if they didn't.
It looks like a version of Star Trek that is written by people who have no experience of life outside of corporate pep talks and Slack conversations about how teamwork makes the dream work or whatever.
yeah, gen Xers
If I saw these lines on my script a gun is going in my mouth that night and the writers are going in my suicide note by name on line 1
wars is far more salvageable
Wars was Luke, Leia and Han, everything else is cope. They killed each of them in different movie and tore down their legacy.
They don't have writers who can make it interesting in different era, and anything they do now leads to Luke molesting Ben in his bed.
It's done.
Shut the frick up you moronic gen x manchild Black person. Real Star Wars is everything under the original canon, what is now called Legends.
Real SW is the OT, og version.
Period
>frogposter
Kys
>homosexual
Kys
I just wanna consume Star Wars products without Luke and leia and Han tbh, just give me cool shit about the empire doing stuff like taking over planets and blowing stuff up without any force stuff (or very little force/jedi sith stuff)
so andor?
half of nu wars then
>Wars was Luke, Leia and Han, everything else is cope.
Wrong. WARS is the Skywalker story. Now all the Skywalkers are dead. Rey claiming the name Skywalker doesn't make her one. She's still a Palpatine. And the saddest thing of all is that the framework for the ST chracters has kino potential.
>Rey is a Force sensitive scrapper/scavver. Should have lived on Ord Mantel or something instead of Not-Tatooine
>Finn is a Stormtrooper defector who hates violence. Then promptly forgets about his blossoming character arc the second he sits down in the TIE's gunner seat
>Poe is a wienery hotshot pilot, Han and Wedge fusion dance, but just comes across as a cheap Marvel character
>Ben
>Luke even thinking about murdering his nephew in his sleep
>Han and Chewie EVER losing the Falcon
>Leia not having the New Republic's full support
>New Republic going full moron pacifist while allowing Imperial Remnant factions of various zealotry to operate freely
>a Biggerer Badderer Death Star Suncrusher is unironically a cooler super weapon
Palpatines are Skywalkers
you’re biased
Yes, for Star Wars.
This depends if we're talking theory or practice. It's not like it's impossible to tell cool stories in the SW universe. KOTOR or TFU were cool stories that were complete enough for everyone to enjoy: action, romance, humor. So theoretically possible.
In practice this won't happen of course, because you're asking elementary softball players to play MLB. Modern writers simply aren't capable of it. Worse, they can't help themselves by messing with proven stories. So whatever they'd come up with would be a complete and utter failed abortion of a movie or show.
But this could also be said of Star Trek. Unless STD and lower decks is somehow inspiring your confidence. The only reason Star Trek edges out Star Wars is because the two "new" movies weren't completely incoherent nonsense unlike the new trilogy.
Star Wars is easy to salvage.
Give it back to George, George invalidates everything Disney did, we start work on continuing the unfinished stories from before the sale.
You're right. I don't care what anyone says, I feel genuine disappointment at the fact that I will never be able to see George's original vision of the sequel trilogy (which I know was going to be radically different from the Nu-Rebels versus Nu-Empire slop Disney gave us).
Just watch Osmosis Jones.
>Give it back to George,
No thanks. Prequelshit was bad too
Here's the problem with that. George likes billions of dollars more than he likes you
Trek, Star wars at least has a few kind of alright videogames.
But also this
>Which franchise has had it worse over the last decade
Taco Bell
both had some angry manchildren fans BUT most normies just dont give a shit about star trek BUT star wars actually managed to PISS OFF a bunch of normies so thats probably the bigger frick up.
Star Wars can always shift thousands of years forward or backward and start over. That's what Kotor 1 was. Plus it's action pulp so it can survive being awful and bloated. Star Trek is confined to a few hundred years in the future and needs some semblance of respectability for its formula of diplomacy + exploration to work. A lot of people now don't even know what made Star Trek good in the first place.
you say that, but they'd been doing nothing but dwell on the era between the prequels and the OT ever since Disney bought it, and even before that. A span of what, 30 years between the start and fall of the empire? Hell, Clone Wars ran for so long, they must have covered every week in between the 3 years between Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith.
There were 133 episodes across the 7 seasons, so on average an episode of the clones wars happens about every 8 days in the Star Wars universe. I never thought about that, but it’s a ridiculous level of activity for a few people over 3 years. Their bodies literally couldn’t keep up
It checks out that a war between two equally matched polities battling for control of an entire galaxy would be a very active thing with little downtime. Still I'd argue that some unconnected arcs may take place at the same time so there might be a bit more downtime than that.
Some episodes are two parters, a couple of arcs are completely unrelated and have few if any main characters in them and the last couple of episodes take place at the same time as revenge of the sith. It still a shit lot of events happening in a couple of years but it fits with the narrative that the clone wars were kind of brutal. Besides they are space samurais/wizards, they have a little more stamina and endurance than regular people.
Why did make khan white? It's so lame
>they wanted to rip off Wrath of Khan because it's the easiest most obvious thing to make a Trek plot about even though the first movie already ripped it off with the angry Romulan revenge guy
>They wanted Benedict Cucumbersnatch to be le epic villain at the peak of his stardom
>frick it, let's just make him Khan
The worst part of it was the only real change they made was Kirk dying. And that mattered even less since it got fixed before the movie ended. They could've taken it in so many different directions, and they just chose membas.
Don't forget
>Leaks come out saying bumberbatch is Khan
>JJ and everyone involved spends months insisting leaks are lies, he totally isn't Khan
>Cumbersnatch on screen going "I am Khan"
frick all studio execs, directors and producers the lying fricks
i have been burned by that so many times i flat out distrust other people, front to back.
I am so sick of people who lie, profit, and the story ends there.
>"the twewy countdown isn't a mobile port and an album guys, just wait for it to end"
>it's just a mobile port and an album
>"no, it's an ENHANCED port and a SPECIAL soundtrack, sillies"
They were protecting the real twist that Kirk dies
and then gets revived 5 minutes later
and Spock does the KHAAAAAAANN scream except it was fricking corny and everyone in the audience groaned
This really should've been a bigger deal with the way people complain about representation nowadays and it's the only one I would actually agree with.
Trek had actual things to say about le society, so I'd say that.
SW has always been fantasy tripe based on meme myths and legends and it should've been just that. Somebody can sweep in at any time and put it back on rails.
Trek can't be restored so easily, it needs more cerebral effort.
Both are dead in the water right now but I guess star trek is better off since it has more old content to rewatch than star wars has
Star Trek is gay, Disney has fricked Star Wars (but it was probably out of steam anyways)
Star Trek.
The Disney Star Wars sequels were utter shit but aside from those the other Disney Wars productions have been at worst mediocre and occasionally actually good.
In contrast Star Trek has been getting routinely shit on with the sole exception of Picard season 3 which was the only good Trek of the last decade and arguably Lower Decks and Prodigy which were at least not complete abominations.
they got his rank wrong, comic = gay
The superior version
Both are deader than dead, and not going to be less than completely dead going forward
Only good SW was the OT. The should have never made anything after it, unless it was small stories 1000 years removed from the main events, with no connection to those stories/characters
And to savage ST you would need to decanonize everything since the reboot and murder everyone who worked on the IP since then
How to save Trek
>new series
>new iteration of the Enterprise on maiden voyage in the year 3000
>new Enterprise is intergalactic with a fancy shmancy quantum entanglement drive(can't be used in-galaxy, only galaxy to galaxy because science reasonsunless the episode calls for it)
>Federation most dominant after Romulans and Klingons join ~2700-2900 (whichever gives both factions enough time to assimilate to Federation standards but still chafe under cultural differences)
How save STAR WARS
>ignore Disney canon
>embrace antiquity
Star Trek. Star Wars is pretty much the same its always been as just a dumb silly adventure for kids. Star Trek on the other hand shits all over the fundamental philosophies of the franchise and it's never going to get better because they want to reach a completely different audience and fans are so starved and abused for decent Star Trek content they're okay with that too.
Star wars.
Treck has been around for longer, and it's current projects ranges from shit to decent. The crappy shows are also easily retconnable out from the Canon, most of them living inside their own vacuum while the series can easily be resurrected with some good writers.
Meanwhile SW is set on a dead end thanks to the whole sequel trilogy, which has been released as a movie (so Canon for most of the people around the world) and disney seems adamant about not erasing it... On the contrary, they've set most of their post-OT shows into following said Canon... So retconning it out would mean retconning also a lot of interconnected and bad shows too.... Which would be a complete financial failure for Lucasfilm and disney... So it's never happening unless by some unexpected miracle
Andor is good
Rogue one is okay
Nothing star trek has been good for two decades
>Andor is good
this meme again
you are jsut beyond starved
true.
Andor has like a handful of kino moments that are spread among hours and hours of fast food like crap.
It's crazy, because at it's core we're looking at a heist movie, a spy thriller and a prison break. How did they manage to make it so tedious at times?
Even so it's better than anything else star wars has done in the past decade aside from Rogue one and mandalorian (the first half of season 1).
Trek.
Star Wars was always complete shit for mouthbreathing autists.
Star Wars, but it's mostly because of the cancerous sequel trilogy. No other company ruined old beloved characters as much as pedodisney did.
DS9 brought in Star Wars fans and hence, plebs into the fandom. I'm not saying DS9 is bad. I'm saying it attracted the pew pew spesh lazers crowd. With it, came women who saw the relatively progressive Trek universe and thought they belong. This combination first led to the Enterprise series and nu-movies where Trek turned into a country western pastiche (to please the SW crowd) and then the Discovery series which pandered to the tumblr crowd. From then on it went downhill fast.
star trek was killed in 2009, star wars in 1999
its time to let go
hard to say
>star trek got gutted by jj abrams
>star wars somehow just doubly sucks
Trek had it worse, but Trek also has more of a possible future if they clean house, stop being edgelords, and recenter on being a thoughtful sci fi series. All the crappy Trek content they've made is easily ignorable. Just make The Next Generation 2.0 with a new cast in a new part of space encountering new things and (provided it's actually good) you're golden.
Star Wars kind of fricked itself by having everything in the entire universe culminate with Rey turning into the Jedi Avatar and asploding Palpatine, who had already absorbed all the Sith and became the Dark Avatar. It's the biggest thing to ever happen in that universe and reframed all content as leading to that ultimate confrontation. Luke, Leia and Han were also all killed off at their lowest moments and having made everything worse specifically so this new character could redeem their (contrived) failures in an ebin lightshow battle with Some Guy she doesn't even have any real connection to who's only there because we, the audience, recognize who he is. Disney Star Wars is basically Brian Herbert Dune. There's little hope without just nuking the new canon they've created and starting over.
I love how JJ Abrams wordbuilding has become an anchor around the neck of this series and everyone is forever being pulled down by it.
Trek is literally a parody of itself now.
Wars didn’t have as much going for it and the sequel trilogy basically killed expanding the audience
As bad as trek has gotten at its heart it’s just “space ship goes to weird planet” and you can always just do that again fairly easily
You could side stories completely removed from the main plotlines in both franchises. Thats what Mandalorian s1 was before it became fanservice galore.
they're both dead franchises. Sort of pointless trying to figure out which one is "more dead."
Star Wars was fine until fans cried and pooped about The Last Jedi.
Why would they have to accept a bad movie?
SW was fine only until it became more than a tirlogy, btw
Star Wars. It was basically the American myth for about two decades, now it's just a product. (Yes, I know it was always merchandised to hell and back, but there was actually a soul during the OT days.)
Star Wars was ruined by Disney, who has given up creatively after their sequel trilogy disaster and are going to push forward with Daisey Ridley just to make some more shekels. It's irreparably fricked.
SW was already ruined by prequelshit. You cannot kill something that's already dead.
Embarrassing post
He was /swco/'s favorite autist, back before /swco/ got banned.
looks like a leftist meme
People generally like Rey
Almost no one likes her to this day. She is pretty much considered the modern iteration of "Mary Sue"...... Kinda ironic considering she was a OC from Star Treck
Get out of the 4chins bubble. People only hate her here, and thats because most anons are jobless and loveless people who literally watch anime, they hate anything. I can't think of the last time people here liked anything besides some kind of porn.
Yidsney shills like you need to leave this website, go outside, and touch some grass. You're completely disconnected from reality
Star Trek. Star Wars was always just dumb fun to be honest. Meanwhile Star Trek used to be an actually thought-provoking series and it's now just a massive joke.
Star Wars doesn't have Lower Decks or pic related so it's been doing a lot better.
Disney vanished Star Wars Detours.
It was worse than Lower Decks, believe it or not.
I want to frick that officer.
DOCTOR WHO
I liked Discovery up until they ruined Lorca
Star wars was always cringe tbh whilst trek had a few moments over the years. In that regard trek has faired far worse But they're both absolute shit shows now anyway
Star Trek ez
multiverse was always a thing in trek, so literally everything can be cut off at the point where star trek 2009 splits the old canon into the new canon, while leaving the nu-trek technically in-canon. everything one likes can be basically head-canoned into being legitimate given the infinite multiverses
lower decks and season 3 of picard are okay despite being nu-canon (though LD seems to do most of the heavy lifting in terms of actually interacting with old canon)
for star wars, the idea that it was like real history, a "saga" that went in one direction based on "destiny", works in the opposite direction to the capeshit "multiverse" idea where bad business decision and hubraic hebris can be negated retroactively by retcon
so they got off to a bad start by completely disowning the old canon while making an inferior version
tentative steps were taken in side media to make a multiverse or time travel possible, but for all intensive porpoises, Israel wants the funkopop-buying audience to care as much about three and a half tv shows as the old fans did about 30 years of novels and comics and video games, as if that's "all there is to it", or that they care as much about the previous multi-billion dollar movie's continuity as much as the old lucasfilm crowd cared about the continuity of unpopular novels 30 years apart from each other
>I have a megacorporation which’s sole duty is to produce slop on my side 😉
>Check mate Trekkie
So, nothing then.
Both of these have been throughly desecrated. Its hard to say. Star Wars however has had its rape more publically displayed than Star Trek. When you ask random people about Star Trek, they think of the original series or maybe Next Generation. No one really watched the putrid shit that has been produced recently. But with Star Wars, way more people were witness to it. The reputation of Star Wars is more associated with the shit in the general population. Its more visibly stained, even if both are stained to the core.
Star Trek was dealing in weird timelines and over the top twilight zone style crazy shit like that from the beginning they can always just reset everything at some point and say “uhh yeah ..that other garbage happened in another universe” in Star Wars this is much more difficult. It was more like a carefully constructed gem a sci-fi world with defined boundaries and an internal story about the Skywalker family and the battle between Sith and Jedi, it’s more of a fragile series that really deserved much more careful planning and handling than it received. Star Wars doesn’t have any path to bouncing back. The only hope I guess would be if they sell it to some other company and that company publicly apologizes to the fans for all this garbage that has been produced and simply declares it not canon. Everything made after 1990 should be considered non-canon and sort of EU expansionist stuff. Then..perhaps, hire someone artistic and with a high degree of skill, like a young George Lucas type a film maker in art school, and maybe let them have a crack at making a trilogy set in that same universe but about a different family and different Jedi and Sith, maybe hundreds of years later or hundreds of years before the original trilogy. No woke shit, no “poetry”, no CGI everywhere, just good real cinematography, an excellent original and compelling story with a heroes arc, good morals, etc. it would have to 100% stand on its own without leaning in the OT. that 100% will never happen though, so I think trek is in a better place because they could do that instantly and there would be no issues, with Star Wars it’s just not going to happen.
Narrative resets won't matter to a public that stopped caring. Ask the American comics industry, just do it fast while they're still around.
wah wah poo poo pee pee
This exact thing has happened MULTIPLE times in the comics industry, both after the introduction of the Hayes code and after some stagnation in the 50s. People thought Lee and Kirby were fools for trying to inject an actual deep - at the time - narrative into something "for kids."
The pendulum will swing and swing back. Get off my lawn. The kids are all right. Shit will get better.
>This exact thing has happened MULTIPLE times in the comics industry
Yes, I know. And today the best selling titles in American comics do less business than most big city food trucks. If you tell such shitty stories for such a long time that people stop watching, it doesn't help you to reset things, because have people have stopped watching. To continue the comparison, Marvel and DC could start printing the best stories ever told in human history, and it wouldn't matter now because who would even know?
I think your argument is less of an indictment of comics and more of an endorsement of the awesomeness of food trucks.
I do not share your pessimism, anon. I am a science fiction fan and concomitant with that is a sense of optimism.
I am not saying you are wrong but I hope I am right and only time will tell.
Food trucks are based.
I get your point but I still think that if they reset the product and then put it back on course in a good direction I do think that could be a way of making a truce with a lot of the fans who may be willing to give it one last chance or at least making new fans. If this were done in Star Wars, they sold the company they apologized for the trash made post 1990 and de-canonized all of that trash, then made actual decent films with creative and talented film makers just solid entertaining films or tv shows I could absolutely see myself watching these again. But it’s just not going to happen so this discussion is mostly meaningless. I do think trek is in a better place though. I watched the black mirror episode “space fleet” which was a fake version of star trek and I was literally blown away. I was like holy shut, THAT is more Star Trek than anything I’ve seen since TNG. If they just released a show like that with cute girls, retro effects and designs and a strong male lead with charisma going on adventures I would absolutely watch that show. Instead, they make these weird constipated sexless shows with women completely covered up with hamfisted morals about social justice, uncharismatic female captains, everything seems stiff and uptight, regurgitated plots, it’s not fun, it’s not interesting, it’s like SJW propaganda in Star Trek clothing, it’s just crap. People want to see adventure, interesting stories, cute girls, charismatic men, cool effects and real science fiction. Fans could return to both franchises if they course correct, but they absolutely will not.
Why wouldn't they want to see cute guys and charismatic women?
Something happened to the writing profession, I really don't think they're capable of writing Trek style commentary without coming off as hamfisted and jaundiced and convinced you just don't get it.
I'd love to be wrong though.
because writers now base their stuff off what their twitter feed tells them
writers back then were basing it off their experiences in WW2 and 'nam, and from writing police procedurals, as well as war movies
So many kinotheque Star Trek episodes in the past had the writers come out and say "oh yeah, we just based this off some war movie from the 50s" and it worked
>I'd love to be wrong though.
It's great to achieve a goal, isn't it?
Me, I don't care if the lead is a male, as long as they're a well-written interesting character.
Janeway would still be annoying if the character was male.
Same. I have a severe Joan of Arc fetish, so the idea of a female Jedi was right up my alley. Not liking the sequels had nothing to do with cooties.
Much of what made nuTrek terrible already took place in an alternate universe to begin with, but you can't retcon or forget the shit that Picard brought to the franchise.
what they did to the TNG cast was unforgivable
the TOS people all got to live happily ever after (except Kirk, and I guess Spock) but everyone from TNG had to suffer
only Geordi made it out okay
>Picard - fails trying to save the Romulans so just sulks on his vineyard for 20 years, tries to redeem himself but gets shit on by stronk femyles
>Riker and Troi - their kid fricking dies
>Data - lives on as a copy that begs to be killed, then gets reincarnated as a copy of a copy
>Worf - gets command of the Enterprise-E, loses it somehow, everyone makes fun of him after
>Crusher - has a Borg kid from Picard's nanite infested sperm, pulls the "MUH I PROTECTED HIM FROM YOU" shtick, come the frick on Beverly would never do that
>Geordi - has two hot daughters and gets to do whatever he wants with leftover starship parts
Both Franchises for Perma Virgins
Decent composite. Gives a good sense of how much space Vader takes up.
Post-Prequels Vader etc kinda loses his dominating physical presence until that small bit at the end of Rogue One they added on. Even then he was still a bit slender.
Trek is salvageable. Wars is not. Trek has the easily ability to retcon anything through time travel, but Wars did three shitty movies that took a beloved 70s-80s property and turned it into pure shit. They'd better pull some force time travel powers out of their ass because all they have left is side stories. Mandalorian has been good, and Fallen Order has been good. Other than that, they're floundering.
Imagine having to act like nutrek isn't warm piss being sprayed on your eyelids.
Willow.
Star Wars, without a doubt. Trek was always a TV franchise and that's where it will stay forever. Star Wars was a pioneer of blockbuster movies and they can't get a movie to theaters because directors and writers keep getting fired or quit.
Trek. They had multiple sequels with the original cast. Good times.
Star Wars had one chance and gave their audience the bird.
>McMahan is bringing back lesbians to Lower Decks because Jessie Gender told him to
OH NO NO NO
AHAHAHAHAHA
see
>Jessie Gender
Come on
Just call me Billy Charisma then.
> AHAHAHAHAHA!
Do you realize that JG is talking to the people who acutally make Trek and having an impact on the Trek they make? While you are still on a sub of a chan at 3 AM screaming at yourself about how much you hate Trek, while the Police take notes?
And you think you -- won?
> AHAHAHAHAHA... HA.... ha.....
Do you want me to send even more poo poo doo doo to your discord dms?
Why are you asking when you could be sending?
>troony activist influencing Star Trek to do his bidding
This so fine.
>troony activist
What does it matter to you if someone wants to cut off their junk? How does this in any affect you? On the other hand, this gender fellow seems to care a lot about star trek and has the willpower to follow through with it, versus effete b***hing on an animu forum .
The fact they’re kowtowing to these brave LGBT folx is really telling me more about them than anything else.
> they’re kowtowing to these brave LGBT folx!
And -- they're not listening to you. At all. Ever.
So, where does put you and your thousands of posts? Far -- far -- below them.
>they would rather listen to LGBT propagandists than Trekkies
I know!
Why do you keep coming back to this nonargument? People are saying the product is bad, and you keep ranting that they're listening to dicksaw troons and not actual customers. Yes, we know, that's why it's bad. Are you trying to incoherently troll or something?
> actual customers!!!
But, as you angrily tell us hundreds of times each day, you don't watch New Trek, you refuse to subscribe to Paramount+, you don't buy the books, comics, records, merchandise, you don't go to the conventions -- and you pirate media.
In what possible sense are you their "customer"?
Many people in these threads liked some NuTrek at some point, and were betrayed by writers prioritizing the agenda over the story. Eat a bag of dicks.
You think you’re innocent, but you’re a piece of shit. Everyone here wants to like this stuff. But they can’t, because they don’t want us to. Troon influencers are more important to them than your average Trekkie. I’m not even transphobic or homophobic, but holy frick, this is peak media derangement. NuTrek writers have probably done more to radicalize people than any alt-righter could ever dream of.
>In what possible sense are you their "customer"?
In the sense that I used to watch their shows, buy tickets to their movies, play their video games, read their books, and even eat at their Vegas restaurant once, and no longer do any of these things because their product became bad, because they took their audience for granted and decided to listen to a very small corner of a very small mentally ill population.
Your notion of obligated lifelong consumption divorced from actual quality and attributes is telling.
> I bought lunch 30 years ago. They owe me!
>Buy a good restaurant
>Don't keep any of the staff
>Start serving literal shit
>All your business disappears
>"T-they weren't our customers! We want an all new shit-eating audience!"
Fair enough I guess, they're technically not your customers because they don't dine at your establishment anymore, but you could have saved money by buying your own lot and starting a new restaurant.
>Don't keep any of the staff!
Scores of Old Trek actors are doing New Trek.
>All your business disappears!
61 million Paramount+ subscribers. Top 10 Streaming shows.
>61 million Paramount+ subscribers
And how many of them get it with Walmart+ or T-Mobile? 61 million is a pathetic number for a service bundled with other shit.
He’s not a zoomer. He’s a boomer NuTrek cultist. You don’t like NuTrek or Jessie Gender and you’re the enemy of the state.
That is the paid subscribers count, as you've been told a hundred times.
> No! Nobody watches what I don't like!
>paid subscribers count
Then what is the actual count.
>…we don’t know
It’s 61 million.
Yeah he's for sure a boomer, he's always making references to shit only boomers would get.
And that makes him worse than a zoomer, because boomers have sat through 60+ years of talmudvision until their brains turned to mush, which is why they accept today's slop.
They're also close to death and they're afraid [current product] might be the last thing they see. So, they pretend to like it.
>Scores of Old Trek actors are doing New Trek.
actors do not have anything to do with what is being produced. They simply agree or disagree to do a role you vapid twat
But George Takei!!!!!
Zoomers can't understand the notion of why keeping customers is good and losing them is bad. Go to a hotel, it's infested with roaches. Stop going to hotel. "Oh well you weren't their customer haha looks like troons win again haha", the future is downright grim.
>Kowtowing
A fan makes a reasoned argument and they concur
Why are you so afraid of troons? Are you afraid of you spend too much time around them, you'll lose the battle against your autogynephelia?
The troon has better opinions on Trek, simple as. Let them have it, it's not like he is winning on looks or personality.
>The troon has better opinions on Trek
Star Trek is only a vehicle for the agenda to the troon. It does not care about it otherwise.
Bold claim. Back it up, homosexual.
Just look at some videos on his channel. Jessie Gender is radicalizing adolescents with his output, he’s waging a witch hunt against JK Rowling, and now influencing NuTrek writing. I mean, that last bit doesn’t surprise me at all -- that’s the kind of trash it was since its conception.
>talking about scat porn and children’s programs
>the gay adults in dresses in shows for adults with sexual themes are corrupting the youth!
You are insane
Deluding yourself into being of the opposite sex is next level shit. The west is terrorized by schizos on both sides of the political spectrum, incels and troons alike.
There have ALWAYS been transgender people. Through all time. You are a willfully ignorant frick. When encouraged to put on a woman’s clothes Joan of Arc said “I will put them on for God when I die”
There have always been mentally ill people. Your point? There has always been rape and cannibalism as well. It doesn't mean anything.
My point is there have not always been incels. Transgender people are not mentally ill. The social media issue is inflating things. Many cultures all around the world have had biological men live as women for all time. There have never been incels before. People didn’t grab a sword and butcher a school in their own community in the time of Joan of Arc. This is new. And these school shooters are groomed in places just like this. By your goofy ass
Jej alright believe whatever you want to believe, at least I don't spend all day in a place I hate full of people who want me to kill myself and think I'm a pedophile.
You’re projecting
Lol what? You blamed me for grooming incel shooters just because I post here. Clearly you don't like this place. Your take is schizophrenic.
You’re gonna get you door kicked down by feds
For pointing out someone else said I groom incel shooters? I never said I did. I don't, it's based on absolutely nothing.
>grooming incel shooters
Like, grooming people into being incel shooters or grooming incel shooters into unbalanced relationships? The former seems unlikely, if anything, incel shooters don't groom at all. And the latter seems unlikely, who wants a coercive blowy joey from a shooter?
>Many cultures all around the world have had biological men live as women for all time
You’re full of shit. True gender dysphoria is a terrible thing, but it’s exceedingly rare. Acquired gender dysphoria is a new phenomenon and it’s the product of manipulation.
Nice word salad dumbfrick
You don’t know what “word salad” means.
Nothing you just said means anything. It’s 1984 new slang. It’s dude in a dress and it’s not your problem. You’re a closeted homosexual
>Nothing you just said means anything
Open a dictionary then.
Making up new adverse definitions of definitions of words doesn’t lead to you winning an argument. It leads to a perpetual barrage of missile fire. Open up a copy of 1984 you illiterate esl
You’re embarrassing yourself.
They're in a constant yes-means-no state of mind, the revelation that they can say one thing but silently redefine the words to mean something else is the height of cunning for them.
>Gender dysphoria is exceedingly rare.
>0.005% in men and 0.002% in women
>According to those numbers, you’d be looking at 100k trans people max in the United States, and that’s being generous
>In 2022, 1.6mil people identified as trans in the US
Yes means yes, I’m afraid. One is a genuine condition, and the other is a social contagion.
Let’s look at another claim:
>There were always trans people across history!!
France had an estimated population of 11 million in the 15th century. That adds up to around 200-300 women with gender dysphoria. What are the odds?
I agree with you. The other anon was complaining about word misuse so I never even considered they were the pro troon. The cartoon reality is always getting worse.
>The cartoon reality is always getting worse.
Incorrect. Season 4 is better than ever.
no it's not it's total garbage, the whole show is total garbage
you're total garbage
You’re an incel cringe lord
>I am le pure evil
Oof
Who are you quoting
Your mothers c**t
I have two dads homosexual
The only garbage here is your assessment, with which I am unconcerned
So glad to hear Mike say T'Lyn is coming back in Star Trek: Lower Decks S05.
> No she's not! Because Paramount went bankrupt and all their shows were cancelled!
Just ignore him.
Who are you quoting, schizo?
>dude it's like le daria if she was a vulcan!!
ugh
You act as if Daria were bad. Frick off, tastelet.
>True gender dysphoria is a terrible thing, but it’s exceedingly rare. Acquired gender dysphoria is a new phenomenon and it’s the product of manipulation.
Tell me about Scotsmen next.
There have absolutely always been incel types, these are men who would be too weak to hunt so they would stay behind to try and get crumbs of pussy (often through nonviolent rape, like the modern predditor or discord groomer). This was a viable survivor strategy, because there will always be crumbs of pussy, and as a whole it's good for a village to have men staying behind and improving the village or providing services to try and attract a mate.
At some point the incel types kind of took over, but not quite, because guys like Isaac Newton died without ever seeing a titty.
The problem is the sexual revolution dried up all the pussy crumbs finally until women reach a certain age, unless if you want to argue sexual dynamics are the exact same as they were before the revolution. Now we all get to feel the impotent frick rage of a million soibois.
Why do obese unemployed 4chins le heckin based boys talk like this? You know what you are. You literally watch anime
Meds (not the pink ones, the other ones)
Lose weight, get a job, stop trying to use foreign cartoons to seem interesting, it's embarrassing your mother
>not the pink ones
Amoxicillin has saved more lives than any other antibiotic. Frick you.
My rule of thumb is I trust people to know what's best for their own body and I don't let anyone tell me what's best for mine. Try that approach and you'll be just fine, cranky anon.
>inb4 "muh impressionable kiss"
It's the parents jobs to teach critical thinking skills against every bad influence, be it drugs, sexual deviance, vandalism, etc.
The problem is the public school system separates parents from their kids 5/7 days of the week and can show kids an environment where you will get constant praise and attention for coming out as trans even if you're not yet capable of understanding what a boy or girl really is. I can try to teach my kids right and wrong, but I can't teach a 5 year old how to mentally prepare for constant a constant psychological barrage of ideology outside of their understanding.
So do private school, jeez .
I agree with you, but kids are clearly capable of knowing boy from girl before they ever get to preschool unless they're literally moronic. And honestly even then they probably can.
Boys idea of a girl before puberty is like "they like pink and wear dresses". That's hardly a great understanding.
Kindergarten boys routinely stand up in class and announce that boys have a penis and girls have a vegana, I've seen the footage
And they don't have access to it's full functionality, if you asked me how I felt about having a penis at 8 years old I wouldn't understand, if you ask me now I can tell you it's awesome. Some things you don't really know until you experience them, that's the problem. I don't have any problems if trannies identify the flags for PERSISTENT gender euphoria, but most of the discussion I see is just shutting down questions, especially from non-consenting parents, so it doesn't give me confidence. In my country there's a guy who the courts keep putting in prison for so much as talking to his daughter the wrong way, this is a girl who had mental problems long before gender dysphoria, he should at least be allowed to ask if this is real and get informed.
>trust people to know what's best for their own body
Except it’s not that simple. There is a trans pipeline people like Jessie Gender utilize ruthlessly to induct more people into their sexual cult.
1. Gender dysphoria can occur during adolescence. It passes with time.
2. However, if the kid stumbles upon a YouTube video telling them that they’re actually trans, they’ll go down that rabbit hole.
3. They’ll join Discord servers and private communities where everyone is affirming their transness, while parents are oblivious to what is happening.
4. Next thing you know, the kid is requesting gender affirmative care. By that point, it’s too late to object, and the doctor takes over.
5. The doctor will usually make a nice buck off of enabling the kid’s transition.
Do you see how fricked up this is? I say kid because it happened to my girlfriend’s cousin, but it can happen to anyone regardless of age. It’s a dangerous movement, and Jessie Gender is part of it.
By the way, Star Trek is for nerds and star wars is for normal people. Not normies, just normal fricking people who like good and interesting things. Fricking hate star trek and Trekkies. Christ.
I like both. Anyone decent grew up the same.
>nerd detector hits overdrive.
Beam me up. F.a.b. Scot.
Wars. Trek had already been destroyed before.
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Would you rather suck a twi'lek girl's lekku, or an andorian girl's antenna?
Trek is sadly and truly dead. And it's corpse is not even getting fricked now. It lies silently on top of a mulch pile.
Star Wars, on the other hand, is a blinged mexican zombie, which goes out partying on the Day of the Dead by itself. But the evil power behind it is dwindling each time it is used.
Idk, I don't think I know enough about trek to have a proper opinion.
The Abrams movies for Trek are actually good and I like them a lot, where as star wars is absolutely shitty.
On the other hand, I enjoy almost all of the star wars shows and the auxillary movies were good and I believe the new trek shows probably suck? I'm just a big TNG fan show wise.
Star Trek because Wars has been fricking garbage since 1999
Trek crashed before that
nu-Wars misses the point of Star Wars, but nu-Trek actively betrays the point of Star Trek.
THIS
they permanently f'd-up Trek by going to the future with Discovery, where space crybaby blew up all ships everywhere, and the Federation disolved, and Earth went back to literal build-a-wall-around-it xenophobes. Earth was even mad about helping mysterious masked people who turned out to be -other Humans- from Jupiter Moon (or somethng I don't remember)
So much for "evolved humans" and a better tomorrow. Nope. We all turn out to be "regular people" afterall.
They basically "jobbed" THE WHOLE POINT of Star Trek to make Michael Burnham and the Discovery ship look like they were the best thing ever, when they save the ideals of the Federation. (and for a brief moment of "WHOA! What is going on!" shock and surprise.)
And even if they re-time-travel to fix the crybaby event that caused the Federation to disband, the point is that it DID. And humanity went back to the old ways. So the bright future is pointed out as a complete crock of shit illusion that goes away when we run out of gas and have not yet invented electric cars (was that the metaphor they were going with? IDK)
I'm not saying that Trek can't fix it, they need to basically admit Discovery did not travel into the future, but also a different dimension, as well. But that might also be too late since Guardian of Forever told Mirror Universe Michelle Yeoh that SHE was, and did not mention the rest of Discovery. He might have been coy, let's hope so.
Man, future trek was supposed to be time ships and temporal prime directive. Made you inspired to be a human person.
star wars has been destroyed, even if a shitty star trek movie or show came out you can always revive it again in ten years and try again
Isn't Paramount in serious trouble because they bet everything on nuTrek being a massive success? They turned their streaming service into the Star Trek Network but all their subscribers just want to relive their adventures with whatever crew they grew up with. Nobody is watching the new stuff. Disney is having the same problem with Star Wars, but they have their eggs in many baskets. nuTrek is killing Paramount.
They took away Star Trek Prodigy and now it's going to Netflix, so yeah they sort of spent way too much money on Star Trek shows not enough people are watching. I'd say with the way they started trying to please longtime fans more is a sign of what they were doing before simply wasn't working.
>with the way they started trying to please longtime fans
Only with Picard S3. The cartoon is literally written under instructions of a troony influencer, and SNW is a Discovery spin-off.
I haven't watched any of nuTrek, but just from what I heard from other people they've liked Picard Season 3, LD, and SNW. I think they're just starved for anything Star Trek so when things get marginally better they're really happy about it.
They had already made the second season and they figured it would be more profitable to let Netflix show it.
> Prodigy going to Netflix proves no one is watching it!
Then why did Netflix buy it?
> *screams*
>Then why did Netflix buy it?
Why did Paramount sell it?
> No -- U!
Really?
Yes. After all, Paramount+ was supposed to be the “home of Star Trek.”
>Paramount+ was supposed to be the “home of Star Trek.”
When your kids are old enough, you send them to boarding school.
Same reason they pay for literally hundreds of shows that people don't watch. It's like you people are stuck in that childlike state where you think all the adults are infallible. The netflix strategy has been "pay for ANYTHING" for most of your life.
All they had to do was hire fanboys on the level of Matt Stone and Trey Parker to run wild within some established rules. But instead they did the opposite. Brought on people who either hated or didn't understand Star Trek to make shows for other people who either hate or don't understand Star Trek. And now they wonder why they can't find an audience.
Netflix has the international rights to Star Trek. They're probably testing the waters to see if they can buy the franchise outright. Now Paramount can be The Yellowstone Network.
Paramount is giving Netflix a run for their money when it comes to gayness. I’m not sure if I can take another lesbian season of Lesbian Decks written by Jessie Gender.
>Netflix has the international rights to Star Trek!
Well, you certainly would not make that definitive statement without providing proof. So -- may we see it?
> Picture of a Star Trek film on a Netflix menu.
Yes. Paramount went bankrupt and cancelled all their shows. That's straight from our source, who's a Lawyer CPA Data Scientist WGA member.
Bob Bakish killed himself in a bathtub. Pressu Effu to pay your respectu.
Yes, but people who have no job have seen that they didn't lock the doors to corporate with a chain so that means there's no trouble at all, because zoomers can only understand extremes. You're either the most successful company EVAR or the company closed last week, and if it's not one it must be the other.
I remember when Netflix was revealed to report a view anytime their auto playing previews triggered for it. Thank God all the other streaming services are more honest with their unregulated and undefined reporting of "view"
I think the Mandalorian was alright. Nothing Star Trek has had was good and most of it is embarrassing to the point of franchise killing.
I'm enough of an oldgay to remember 'Which is better?' Trek/Wars debates on the internet.
>mfw literally debating which is worse in the CURRENT YEAR. I have no face.
But who would win in a fight, the Enterprise or the Death Star?!!
The tech in Star Wars is several orders of magnitude better than anything in Star Trek, despite the later having a shinier appearance. The whole idea of Voyager was that it would take one of the fastest ships ever built seventy years to make a trip a rusty drug smuggler could make in two weeks.
Well yes, that's because Wars uses hyperspace and Trek uses subspace. hyper > sub, literally.
I miss those days. There's still a few old websites like Star Wars Technical Commentaries up, reminders of a better time where the internet was filled with better minds and better personalities. The smart phone turned the web into an intellectual ghetto.
>where the internet was filled with better minds and better personalities.
Tell me more about the golden days of Kibo Parry and Archimedes Plutonium.
They are both fricked. Star Wars is ruined while the central complaints of the ST are unresolved. Vader didn't kill the Emperor. That said, I feel like Star Wars as a setting is more workable. Star Trek is very vulnerable to political trends because it takes place in the real world so their history is us, while Star Wars doesn't even take place in the same galaxy and is more of a fable.
Unrelated tomboy picture.
Because Vulcans are so much stronger than humans despite not being visibly larger, we can conclude that Vulcan muscles are much stronger than the equivalent amount of human muscle. Therefore a Vulcan's veganal grip would be inhumanely strong, and may actually pull it off
Star Trek.
Zoomer take; I grew up with Star Wars and after the Disney films I pretty much accepted that it was over, for me at least. I've talked to younger zoomers that have only seen the sequels, so the current state of wars it pretty bad. I'm new to Trek but for me it feels like since it has a smaller audience, fewer people have seen the bad stuff and accepted it as canon. Were they to revive the franchise properly, I think it would be an easier time to gloss over Discovery etc than for Wars to forget the sequels.
>only seen the sequels
Absolutely hellish
The only way for a franchise to survive decades is to remain creator owned and to pass to children that try to protect it. But eventually even that fails, Chris Tolkien died and here comes Rings of Power. We need new things to fill the Star Wars and Star Trek archetypes. But the idea of creator ownership is long gone too, someone like Lucas negotiating with Fox and getting to keep the rights will never happen again.
Gene Roddenberry passed Star Trek to Rick Berman who would protect it.
He did mean well, it's just some decisions made were... poor. Many other things that went wrong were out of his hands, though.
After that is when israeliteisraelite Abrahams grabbed it, then Alex Kurtzman.
You are literally a mentally moronic nazi
Rick Berman was a israelite as well, anon.
but the based kind of israelite who didn't strictly hire other chosen people to run the shows
in fact the 90s Treks were the least Hebrew in the entire franchise
So you’ve been telling me for five years. We get it. You like the black and read uniforms. They remind you of Nazi ones
You are literally correct
>le israelites!
You’re on a watchlist
At least Trek fans got Picard
Star Wars fans got nothing but a mouse shitting in their face
Picard sucked ass
incorrect
it was a perfect send off for those of us who grew up on TNG
of course if you're not actually a fan and didn't play STO in it's heyday or engage with the lore at all I can see how it might come off as corny or hokey
three seasons of bullshit and character assassination that were worse than the TNG movies
also STO sucks
oh so you have no argument, nice
the only people I've seen hate on Picard are simpletons who never understood Gene's vision to begin with
that still has not changed
the people who hate on picard have taste, anon
it shits all over gene's vision
>gene's vision
Was endless coed orgies, full stop. Stop deifying him like boomers did the Beatles, or the uneducated do Trump. Grow a spine and follow your own vision to the stars.
>Was endless coed orgies, full stop.
nice
Do you have pizza at home?
Star Trek has shitty fans that can't get along with each other.
For fans of shows about cooperation and compromise, Mallrats and TNGeezers do not walk the walk.
You don't even have to like the new shows, they frick with Enterprise, Voyager, and TOS fans. I am guessing that Star Wars fans have a similar type that grumbles angrily about anything made after Return of the Jedi. I haven't ever seen a Star Wars fan dance a jig every time Disney stock prices drop 12 cents. /trek/ has an assclown that does that shit for 20 hours a day.
>calls me a schizo
>makes up imaginary people in his head and says they're his enemies
I NEED stoic Vulcan pussy
You are literally medically moronic
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>calls me a schizo
False. I used the term assclown.
Thread my reminder the conservative leaning previously communist fronted dtc are literally pedophiles and terrorists and bf is not with them anymore
Trek had further to fall. Wars is kiddie shit, so it's a bummer to see it go downhill but nbd
Voyager killed Trek a long time ago, and Enterprise sealed the casket in six feet of concrete with that ridiculous intro. In hindsight that was the origin of Beastie Boys Trek, the canary in the coal mine on just how out of touch the decision makers were.
Beastie boys trek did well enough. You’re the one who’s out of touch moron that’s why you don’t feel like it’s made for you. It isn’t made for you in the same way a racist was not meant to enjoy TOS. You’re not supposed to like it. It’s supposed to start a conversation among the people who relate on how to most humanly remove you from a society of whom you refuse to respect others rights to live. Ideally you would change your mind and actually join the conversation instead of copy pasting rhetoric like a drooling troll. There is a killing setting for a reason though. If you keep threatening people you will most surely die yourself
>we need to make Trek cool...
>let's have Kirk listen to the hip new band The Beastie Boys
Lmao. Sounds like that moron that wanted Spider-Man to do extreme bicycle tricks while tweeting "nbd"
You can’t stand it? You know we planned it?
In the context of the movie he was listen to classic rock which would be equivalent to modern classical music. You are dismissed Mohammed
Which is the one about the space hairdresser and the cowboy?
He's got a tin foil pal and a pedal bin.
His dad is a robot and he's fricked his sister.
They go to the planet of the teddy bears.
A common destination
Most SW fans never gave a shit about the movies and liked the official fanfics like SWTOR and Battlefield. It was never good outside of the OT