Which has more muddled metaphors and messages?
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Which has more muddled metaphors and messages?
Which has more muddled metaphors and messages?
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I don't understand your fancy words. Zootopia was better.
I feel like Zootopia at least did it better considering it would make more sense for prey animals to be afraid of lions and whatever else fricking going crazy and eating them when there's supposedly historical evidence that that's what used to happen in the distant past.
Not to say that it works as a comparison to real-world racism but still.
Turning Red easily, the direction of that film was fricking schizophrenic
turning red's message is easy to understand, it's just fricking stupid
Only because it was not-so-well executed.
Also too annoying and the twerk scene made me cringe.
What do you think the message was?
The message was that Asian MILFs are attractive.
only correct post here.
Zootopia. Being racist isn't nice, but it's the smart thing to do.
Turning Red definitely muddles the metaphor more. Zootopia made sense, it just accidentally justified racism.
>Zootopia made sense, it just accidentally justified racism.
This has been happening a lot lately.
>Halosche!
Is elemental a super racist film?
Zootopia is the worst metaphor for racism. Species and race should be 2 different things. A better movie is Felidae
It did not. Preds and prey were living together in perfect harmony. It took a power hungry politician to frick things up, as per usual.
If all it takes is a potential oversight or intentional introduction of a drug to set off a fricking race/species war, I'd say their world is too fragile to be considered stable.
No, it justifies conflict between groups that have no real world counterparts and shows how they can still find ways to overcome their differences even in a situation where those differences present a genuine problem
zootopia is about the cia tho
>OOOHHGGH THE ALLEGORICAL METAPHOR FOR THIMG!
I watch all movies from an internet universe perspective and I don’t care how poor of a metaphor it is because it’s fricking not.
“What human race do the predators that might eat you represent?” “What real life group of people are the mud clumps, fireballs, clouds and Randal supposed to be?? And what racist messages come up when I interpret it that way” “So her new super powers actually is puberty!” while the movie shows that she literally isn’t in it quite yet
FRICKING STOP. The FIRE PERSON is struggling to be with the WATER PERSON!.. RACE MIXINGK BAD??
NO ITS FIRE AND WATER ITS A FANTASTICAL SETTING YOU BRAINROTTED FRICKUP
WHAT KID WOULDN’T SHOW OFF NEW SUPERPOWERS THEY GOT.
THE ANIMALS ARENT AN ANALOGY FOR A REAL DEMOGRAPHIC
If you want to complain about an in universe plothole fine, but you’re all looking for reasons to be mad and you sound like morons who can’t suspend their disbelief and just take something at face value.
This is the most racist thing I've read on here all day.
>Internet universe
IN UNIVERSE frick
you guys have an internet universe perspective though
Bellwether did nothing wrong. The streets of Zootopia are built upon the bodies of prey slain by predators, all in the name of "peace and tranquility".
That's a nice fanfic, but nothing like what actually happened in the movie and in Zootopia's past. The preds and prey have lived in peace for thousands of years at the point the movie took place.
Neither are muddled but Reds harder to understand.
>Reds harder to understand.
lmao I wonder why
Red requires a bit of emotional intelligence or cultural background to properly contextualize the conflict. Of course some people have both of that and misunderstand the movie for a wide variety of reasons but the common denominator I see for many critics is that they lack one of those two.
>The panda is an allegory for period
>She sells pictures of her panda for money
She basically is selling CP of herself. She even yells "My panda, my choice".
The introduction section of the artbook tells you what it's a metaphor for. Her selling the panda is more comparable to her monetizing her talents or blindly shilling her culture to her own detriment. "My panda, my choice" relates to Mei's character need to get power over her own life.
>modernizing her talents
Having a vegana isn't a talent
Regardless, I don’t know how good it is for kids to want to earn money through Tik tok. I mean I suppose it is entrepreneurial to advertise through social media, but I can’t see it ending well. Like you said
>to her own detriment
Is there even a good avenue for kids to earn money these days? The most common route to make money off the internet involves porn. See
>Is there even a good avenue for kids to earn money these days?
Local service job, same as always. It should be a crime to allow kids on the internet. Maybe even unironically. I mean it'd sure as frick be easier, but I guess a lot of money flows change.
>It should be a crime to allow kids on the internet.
So if they want to share an account of being abused, it has to go through you, so you can age them up and remove all implications of wrongdoing?
Or you know their teachers or any other adults they interact with instead of random weirdos on the internet.
The point is a mediator brings an inherent risk of manipulation of their story to make the abuser look good
In the very insular social culture of "adults" on social media, there is a bizarre treatment of children's mental health and sexuality as being distractions from "normal life" That allowing them the right to directly share their stories is a personal attack on "children being children"
Or maybe they could tell the fricking police?
>but you don't get it, they don't trust the police, so they have to say it online for other pedos and hope and pray that police accidentally see it
I know there's complex psychology going on here, but nah. Just nah.
They're a mediator, they can do those very things mentioned. Your appeals to authority are futile
no, it isn't. Don't let your domineering mother control how you live just because SHE was afraid to live is not tough.
Idk
Zootopia is more universal, you don't have to have a period and a tiger mom to relate.
There were no periods in Turning Red, idiots only though there were. Mei hadn't had her period yet. The problem was her panda gift showed up, not Aunt Flo. Her mom initially THOUGHT the problem was her period, thinking that the panda thing was YEARS down the road. How many of you brainlets watched this movie and didn't pay attention??
SEXUAL THEMES AND RACISM ANOOOOOOOON THATS WHAT ITS ALLLLLLLLL ABOUT. Are you trying to focus on the nuances of what’s actually happening? You should be looking at everything through the lens of a metaphor! And any ill fitting themes you find when you compare it to whatever it is in your brain is a flaw in the thing!
HUUUUURRRR
If you want to talk about a movie that fumbled it’s main message FRICKING RAYA. “Trust everybody no matter what and keep giving them chances” is a direct flaw in the actual film.
Everything in all these movies you’re all complaining about makes complete logical sense within the setting and you want to cry that a fantastical situation with mechanics that don’t exist in real life doesn’t map to real life, it’s almost like they’re not the same damn situation!
That’s not true in Raya, it legitimately flops it’s message.
I re-watched this recently. Wasn't as good as I remember. Good but not as good. Didn't really deliver on its setup too well. Had some kind of complex things going on and then hit the "dramatic wrap-up" button as soon as the all-is-lost ended.
It's bullshit there's a cat dancing like five minutes into the film what the frick.
Yeah, the big flaw of that film is that the first act takes fifty minutes and then the second and third just kind of happen instantly.
Look, I didn’t get where I am today by letting myself get pushed around.
>choosing the literal child over the "grown" woman.
Nick truly is /our/guy.
Did you really need to make this exact same thread again and again?
>egg cracker
In english, Einstein.
He want kids to be split off into a Logan's Run style breakaway society that's governed by AI and kills you with Euthanasia once you're an "adult"
Depopulation agenda concealed as "child protection"
>The concept of “Eggs”, in transgender spaces, are people who do not know they are transgender yet, and may go through a process of “cracking”, and find out they are.
This is where the groomer meme comes from.
Notice how they robotically spam mentions of transgenderism as if you are the only real person here with them, and they are trying to gather your data through replies
Yeah it's really forced. Who would bring up transgenderism in a conversation about kids reporting abuse to adults on the internet.
I'd say it would be someone who views becoming Trans as a solution to protect them from being abused.
The frick are you morons talking about in here?
Turning Red in 2023.
the simspon on fox tv
I think that Tolkien's issue with allegories has to do how most stories that use allegories don't make sense without it. Like the message of the story doesn't make sense in-universe. This also results in the reverse where things make sense in-universe but gives an unintended message when it is matched up with what it was allegorizing.
Like bad guys doing stupid shit that leads tp their downfall for no good reason except to tell a moral lesson.
>I'm just gunna put all my power in a ring and lose it lmao
Hey man, Lord Sauron was winning for 90% of the story.
Why didn't they just seal the one ring inside a sphere of iron so no one could put it on while it was being carried to mount doom
the ring literally has plot armor
what
said
if they did something like that then the ring would probably turn the ball evil and start rolling people over or some shit
zootopia for comparing black people to predators
Zootopia only gets muddled when you try to apply real life ethnicities to it. It’s a pretty straight forward “racism is bad” otherwise.
Yes, the point of using animals is to not use a specific ethnicity. Now people are crying about "coded" characters.
Exactly. Zootopia is actually a rather well-written metaphor for how racism works in general: groups used to have serious conflicts, then things changed but the prejudice and mutual distrust remains (sometimes even unconsciously) and this can be exploited by bad actors.
Turning Red was about a little girl discovering her vegana and turning into a thot
the reason why her mom turns into a giant red panda at the end is because she is being a giant c**t at the moment
it all fits.
Turning Red I think makes some hay out of puberty and periods but it kind of drops that subtext...
Zootopia is just liberal race relations 101. Paul Haggis' Crash but by Disney
Zootopia