Filoni Wars is the only thing in the Lucasarts era to be so irredeemable it fits comfortably in with Didney Wars average quality. Ahsoka is quite possibly the biggest Poochie in all of fiction.
Even if I had never watched Genndy Wars kino it'd still be Genndy Wars.
Visually, early TCW aged like milk as most older 3D cartoons do, CW03 has a very timeless style in comparison.
For the stories, CW03 works very well to fill the time gap between AotC and RotS.
In the other hand, TCW is essentially an unfinished show. There were a whole bunch of episodes that were never produced and just got released as novels or recycled into their new shows, and all the story lines kept being stretched beyond the original show, some of them still don't have a proper closure like Ahsoka.
But it was wildly inconsistent with how he was in the movies to the point of being a different character. Not to mention how static of a character he is in TCW, he doesn't really grow or develop in the series and basically already starts out as the competent and confident general he is rather than earning that status.
I seriously refuse to believe that TCW Anakin just became the guy we see in Revenge of the Sith the moment he left Ahsoka for the last time.
TCW should've started out with Anakin as a Padawan and given him an arc.
It and the movies also criminally underemphasize the role of Anakin's mother in his falling away from the Jedi. Not even a sentence about how they basically killed Shmi by not going back for her even a little sooner than he did.
>It and the movies also criminally underemphasize the role of Anakin's mother in his falling away from the Jedi.
I would apply that a lot more broadly. Anakin was constantly gaslit from every direction, particularly by his role as a general. He's essentially leading flash-grown orphans into battle. The oldest among them were eleven years old when the Clone Wars started. The entire clone army was a fricking crime against humanity and the Republic just appropriated it and turned it on their enemies without a second thought.
So we've got Clone Wars era Anakin that knows he's leading children to their deaths. He goes home briefly to find his mom dying and then kills the Sand People including their children. He sees children die every day so, in his rage and grief, killing them seems natural. But then he comes home to Padme Amidala knowing he just committed a terrible crime and her response is to immediately absolve him. Add on to that the fact that she had a direct hand in the Clone Wars and initiated the vote that ejected the previous Chancellor.
He was absolutely fricking surrounded by villains, many of whom were worse than he was. Why wouldn't he go buttfricking crazy?
>The oldest among them were eleven years old when the Clone Wars started
In a galactic scale civilization with a million different species with different cultures and maturation rates, I think the concept of an age of consent, age of conscription, whatever you want to call it would fall away. There are species that are adults by age two, there are adults that are infants by age fifty, so the only real metric would be physical adulthood, and they were physically adults. The Jedi regularly took teenage Padawan girls into warzones as well and basically had them operating as special forces. Ahsoka and Barriss nearly died while buried alive in a tank when they were 14.
>The Jedi regularly took teenage Padawan girls into warzones as well and basically had them operating as special forces. Ahsoka and Barriss nearly died while buried alive in a tank when they were 14.
I guess that's the funny thing about Star Wars for me is that the popular conception is that the Republic, the Jedi, and the Rebels are the "good guys." They are anything but good. They're a warrior order that have fricked over and destroyed countless people and cultures over time. They simply assume the mantle of righteousness because they're indoctrinated up to their eyeballs.
I honestly think TCW Anakin was more inline with how Obi-Wan described him in EP4 before prequels were a thing. Best star pilot in the Galaxy and a cunning (and reckless) warrior.
I keep forgetting he's the "greatest pilot in the galaxy", but to be fair I also forget he's the most powerful force sensitive person in the galaxy as well due to fricking mediocre he actually is as a fighter and his lack of unique or above average force powers.
But he made the personifications of light and dark side of force kneel before him. Guess that's counts for something right? Right? Ah well I guess even good old Paps thought he was garbage after the whole Mustafar deal and becoming Darth Vader.
>inline with how Obi-Wan described him in EP4 before prequels were a thing
Anon I don't think you would be talking shit about a boys father right in front of him. Of course you're going to be nice when talking about his father
The description was extremely vague and it was done through rose tinted glasses from how he remembered him fom 20 years ago.
By making him a kinda generic hero, it doesn't justify his fall in RotS.
As sloppy as it was, the prequels do show what tendencies Anakin has that would lead to his fall, TCW doesn't as much despite spending more time with the character.
He fell to save his wife and unborn child. Remember, he had visions of his mom dying and they came true. Anakin didn't want the same to happen to Padme.
Yeah, but at least this Anakin completely lines up with what I'd expect from a hot headed but brave and charismatic Jedy Knight, RoTS Anakin still has too much of his whiny teen phase from AoTC in him.
Dude was having nightmares about his mom dying before AotC even starts. His beef with Obi-Wan was because he confided with him about them and he told him not to worry about it. Also, his mom died. Killing the sandpeople also fricked him up because he knows that he shouldn't have done that as he's supposed to be a Jedi.
Anakin is in his element with the war, doing all that swashbuckling adventure shit he imagined being a Jedi was like when he was a kid. Even the start of ROTS has Anakin just having a good time rescuing the Chancellor.
Manchildren can't into flawed heroes for some reason. They just want that generic hero guy over a more human character. It's probably autism on their part.
Gennedy Wars Anakin was more faithful to the movie. TCW Anakin is a completely different character, albeit a better one who I can see Ben reminiscing and calling a "good friend".
Genndy Wars but that's because Genndy Wars was kind of a weird extended advertisement that got made into a mini show, and those thick as frick outlines and character designs took some getting used to.
3D CGI clone wars started off "okay" and only got worse with time and trying to expand a very tiny period of time in Star Wars lore into the single most written about and shown time period we will ever see from Star Wars.
Neither fit well between the movies they are supposed to fit between.
Grievous is too fricking powerful in the 2D show to lose the way he did.
And he's too incompetent, even has a general calling the shots indirectly, for his Lightsaber collection to be believable in the 3D show.
Genndy and is not even close, his show was unique, the animation still looks fantastic, still some of the best animated fight scenes in any american cartoon so far. Filoni show is just worse in basically every way.
Everyone says Lucas wanted Grievous to be a joke, but why did he even give him the saber collection then? Anyone is going to read that as him being good at killing Jedi. Even if their shitty ones.
It's pretty clear his idea of Grievous changed during the development of ROTS.
In the early production of ROTS and GennedyWars, he probably did see Grievous as more of a threat equal to Maul. But during the shooting of ROTS and post-production, his idea of Grievous changed to more of a mustache twirling dick dastardedly type. The differences in GennedyWar and TCW is probably a reflection of this.
It makes some sense, a coward keeping trophies to boost his self-esteem. It way less cool than a cyborg warrior that hunts and kills jedis, but it makes sense.
I think TCW takes it a step further than ROTS. Losing to the guy who beat Anakin isn't as embarrassing as getting bullied by goongas.
The same could be said about droids and separatists in general. George decided to make the B1s and B2s more of jokes in Revenge of the Sith, which I personally don't like. But then the TCW cemented that in the public's collective mind.
I also don't like how in the TCW, we're always seeing the Republic winning, but for some reason they're always set to be at the ropes, just barely keeping the Separatists at bay.
One thing that I do like from the TCW are the Separatist POV episodes. Disney should've done something (most preferably a series) along those lines, expanding how the actual Separatists felt about the whole conflict and the expansion of the Republic.
I never realized it was an either or situation until recently. I thought Genndy's shorts informed that whole stylistic art direction of the 3D show and I thought they were both canon.
I appreciate the Genndy show's more modest ambitions. Neither show benefits that much from being connected to the prequels. The Clone Wars as a conflict is just boring plot expedience by design.
I've never met anyone who liked the tranime cartoon who wasn't a huge homosexual and a bit moronic. Just seems to appeal to really sloppy, obnoxious people.
>genndy wars is a better complete product from start to finish >filoni wars has higher individual episodes/arcs, but also has arcs/episodes that suck or can be skipped with no detriment to the story
also genndy wars vader premonition episode>filoni wars vader premonition episode
The CG show, considering it actually continued and was able to be fleshed out properly.
The early seasons look like ass.
Filoni Wars is the only thing in the Lucasarts era to be so irredeemable it fits comfortably in with Didney Wars average quality. Ahsoka is quite possibly the biggest Poochie in all of fiction.
Even if I had never watched Genndy Wars kino it'd still be Genndy Wars.
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Visually, early TCW aged like milk as most older 3D cartoons do, CW03 has a very timeless style in comparison.
For the stories, CW03 works very well to fill the time gap between AotC and RotS.
In the other hand, TCW is essentially an unfinished show. There were a whole bunch of episodes that were never produced and just got released as novels or recycled into their new shows, and all the story lines kept being stretched beyond the original show, some of them still don't have a proper closure like Ahsoka.
The 03 series still looks good. The CG looks like deranged puppets, even before accounting for all the damage it did to star wars as a while.
TCW Anakin was better than movie Anakin I'll give them that.
But it was wildly inconsistent with how he was in the movies to the point of being a different character. Not to mention how static of a character he is in TCW, he doesn't really grow or develop in the series and basically already starts out as the competent and confident general he is rather than earning that status.
I seriously refuse to believe that TCW Anakin just became the guy we see in Revenge of the Sith the moment he left Ahsoka for the last time.
TCW should've started out with Anakin as a Padawan and given him an arc.
It and the movies also criminally underemphasize the role of Anakin's mother in his falling away from the Jedi. Not even a sentence about how they basically killed Shmi by not going back for her even a little sooner than he did.
>It and the movies also criminally underemphasize the role of Anakin's mother in his falling away from the Jedi.
I would apply that a lot more broadly. Anakin was constantly gaslit from every direction, particularly by his role as a general. He's essentially leading flash-grown orphans into battle. The oldest among them were eleven years old when the Clone Wars started. The entire clone army was a fricking crime against humanity and the Republic just appropriated it and turned it on their enemies without a second thought.
So we've got Clone Wars era Anakin that knows he's leading children to their deaths. He goes home briefly to find his mom dying and then kills the Sand People including their children. He sees children die every day so, in his rage and grief, killing them seems natural. But then he comes home to Padme Amidala knowing he just committed a terrible crime and her response is to immediately absolve him. Add on to that the fact that she had a direct hand in the Clone Wars and initiated the vote that ejected the previous Chancellor.
He was absolutely fricking surrounded by villains, many of whom were worse than he was. Why wouldn't he go buttfricking crazy?
>The oldest among them were eleven years old when the Clone Wars started
In a galactic scale civilization with a million different species with different cultures and maturation rates, I think the concept of an age of consent, age of conscription, whatever you want to call it would fall away. There are species that are adults by age two, there are adults that are infants by age fifty, so the only real metric would be physical adulthood, and they were physically adults. The Jedi regularly took teenage Padawan girls into warzones as well and basically had them operating as special forces. Ahsoka and Barriss nearly died while buried alive in a tank when they were 14.
>The Jedi regularly took teenage Padawan girls into warzones as well and basically had them operating as special forces. Ahsoka and Barriss nearly died while buried alive in a tank when they were 14.
I guess that's the funny thing about Star Wars for me is that the popular conception is that the Republic, the Jedi, and the Rebels are the "good guys." They are anything but good. They're a warrior order that have fricked over and destroyed countless people and cultures over time. They simply assume the mantle of righteousness because they're indoctrinated up to their eyeballs.
>Ahsoka and Barriss nearly died while buried alive in a tank when they were 14.
And Luminara was ready to leave her for dead.
Luminara was just trying to be a wingman
I honestly think TCW Anakin was more inline with how Obi-Wan described him in EP4 before prequels were a thing. Best star pilot in the Galaxy and a cunning (and reckless) warrior.
True but still. They could've tried to make him more accurate to the movies.
I keep forgetting he's the "greatest pilot in the galaxy", but to be fair I also forget he's the most powerful force sensitive person in the galaxy as well due to fricking mediocre he actually is as a fighter and his lack of unique or above average force powers.
just like how he's a genius that could build a robot when he was still a little kid
But he made the personifications of light and dark side of force kneel before him. Guess that's counts for something right? Right? Ah well I guess even good old Paps thought he was garbage after the whole Mustafar deal and becoming Darth Vader.
>inline with how Obi-Wan described him in EP4 before prequels were a thing
Anon I don't think you would be talking shit about a boys father right in front of him. Of course you're going to be nice when talking about his father
Especially when he was lying to his face about what actually happened to him. No shit he'd make Anakin look better to him.
The description was extremely vague and it was done through rose tinted glasses from how he remembered him fom 20 years ago.
By making him a kinda generic hero, it doesn't justify his fall in RotS.
RotS doesn't justify his fall in RotS either.
As sloppy as it was, the prequels do show what tendencies Anakin has that would lead to his fall, TCW doesn't as much despite spending more time with the character.
He fell to save his wife and unborn child. Remember, he had visions of his mom dying and they came true. Anakin didn't want the same to happen to Padme.
Yeah, but at least this Anakin completely lines up with what I'd expect from a hot headed but brave and charismatic Jedy Knight, RoTS Anakin still has too much of his whiny teen phase from AoTC in him.
Dude was having nightmares about his mom dying before AotC even starts. His beef with Obi-Wan was because he confided with him about them and he told him not to worry about it. Also, his mom died. Killing the sandpeople also fricked him up because he knows that he shouldn't have done that as he's supposed to be a Jedi.
Anakin is in his element with the war, doing all that swashbuckling adventure shit he imagined being a Jedi was like when he was a kid. Even the start of ROTS has Anakin just having a good time rescuing the Chancellor.
Manchildren can't into flawed heroes for some reason. They just want that generic hero guy over a more human character. It's probably autism on their part.
The CG one didn't even look good at the time.
It was a CGI animated TV show starting in fricking 2008. Show me the stuff that looked better than that at the time.
One rare case where both are good and I'm glad the two exists. Now keep them far as possible from Nu-Wars crap.
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Gennedy Wars Anakin was more faithful to the movie. TCW Anakin is a completely different character, albeit a better one who I can see Ben reminiscing and calling a "good friend".
Genndy Wars but that's because Genndy Wars was kind of a weird extended advertisement that got made into a mini show, and those thick as frick outlines and character designs took some getting used to.
3D CGI clone wars started off "okay" and only got worse with time and trying to expand a very tiny period of time in Star Wars lore into the single most written about and shown time period we will ever see from Star Wars.
Clone wars are the most boring era of pre disney Star Wars lore
Genndy's for being pure action kino
Neither fit well between the movies they are supposed to fit between.
Grievous is too fricking powerful in the 2D show to lose the way he did.
And he's too incompetent, even has a general calling the shots indirectly, for his Lightsaber collection to be believable in the 3D show.
Genndy and is not even close, his show was unique, the animation still looks fantastic, still some of the best animated fight scenes in any american cartoon so far. Filoni show is just worse in basically every way.
Everyone says Lucas wanted Grievous to be a joke, but why did he even give him the saber collection then? Anyone is going to read that as him being good at killing Jedi. Even if their shitty ones.
It's pretty clear his idea of Grievous changed during the development of ROTS.
In the early production of ROTS and GennedyWars, he probably did see Grievous as more of a threat equal to Maul. But during the shooting of ROTS and post-production, his idea of Grievous changed to more of a mustache twirling dick dastardedly type. The differences in GennedyWar and TCW is probably a reflection of this.
I think TCW takes it a step further than ROTS. Losing to the guy who beat Anakin isn't as embarrassing as getting bullied by goongas.
It makes some sense, a coward keeping trophies to boost his self-esteem. It way less cool than a cyborg warrior that hunts and kills jedis, but it makes sense.
The same could be said about droids and separatists in general. George decided to make the B1s and B2s more of jokes in Revenge of the Sith, which I personally don't like. But then the TCW cemented that in the public's collective mind.
I also don't like how in the TCW, we're always seeing the Republic winning, but for some reason they're always set to be at the ropes, just barely keeping the Separatists at bay.
One thing that I do like from the TCW are the Separatist POV episodes. Disney should've done something (most preferably a series) along those lines, expanding how the actual Separatists felt about the whole conflict and the expansion of the Republic.
I never realized it was an either or situation until recently. I thought Genndy's shorts informed that whole stylistic art direction of the 3D show and I thought they were both canon.
In the beginning they wanted to try and make both shows canon iirc. That's why we don't see Anakin being Knighted in the TCW.
Cartoons don't age, you do.
TCW!
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i like them both. i also like star trek. i guess i'm a dirty centrist.
do you like trek cartoons?
I appreciate the Genndy show's more modest ambitions. Neither show benefits that much from being connected to the prequels. The Clone Wars as a conflict is just boring plot expedience by design.
I liked the one on the right much better, the one on the left is still good tho
I've never met anyone who liked the tranime cartoon who wasn't a huge homosexual and a bit moronic. Just seems to appeal to really sloppy, obnoxious people.
The 3D show looked like shite even back then, I never understood how people like that garbage.
>genndy wars is a better complete product from start to finish
>filoni wars has higher individual episodes/arcs, but also has arcs/episodes that suck or can be skipped with no detriment to the story
also genndy wars vader premonition episode>filoni wars vader premonition episode
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