Honestly, of this picture I would probably say brave. Yeah it was gorgeous, and I like Merida well enough but the plot was such a random mess. The others worst crimes is that they can be trope-y (which I expect of the old one cuz they pretty much defined the tropes for the genre).
Pocahontas is pretty bad. Incredibly bland, has garbage side characters and a selfish protagonist. Little Mermaid is also debatable due to being such a waste of potential.
Snow White is simple but it does what it has to do and it does so well without mocking the source material in some way. It has catchy music, memorable characters and a cute, naive to a fault protagonist.
>Cinderella is the most forgettable one though
Nope, that would be Pocahontas too, Cinderella is THE Princess movie.
I still remember The Princess Diaries, that was the peak of the Princess sub-genre and it all went downhill from there.
Pocahontas, Brave, Moana
Moana is watchable.
Brave & Pocahontas are boring af with zero redeeming qualities.
Snow White was boring but classic, which is excusable.
Cinderella was bland and did not have the same flavor as Beauty and the Beast.
>The only character in that movie that had any charisma was the villain
That's more than you can say about Pocahontas, and the good fairies had charisma
The fairies were also good. Phillip was awesome in his own way, going out there and getting shit done. Really, that movie's weakness is the bland princess.
The only thing that I remember of Pocahontas (save the beautiful imagery) is Savages, and thhat's for how blatantly racist (and meant as such) it is for a Disney movie
Oh, if Raya's included, it's indisputably the worst, no contest. Nothing in that movie can save it. Worst trash I've ever seen from Disney. (To be fair, I haven't seen the Frozen or Wreck-It Ralph sequels.)
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Oh, if Raya's included, it's indisputably the worst, no contest. Nothing in that movie can save it. Worst trash I've ever seen from Disney. (To be fair, I haven't seen the Frozen or Wreck-It Ralph sequels.)
I'm only talking about the 12 Disney Princesses that Disney curently acknowledges as the main ones, Raya may join the group in the future, but right now, she's not even an honorary member like Alice and that's a good thing!
>KH >canon to anything
Elsa and Anna are officially not part of the main 12 Princess line-up, but they are included from time to time, as an extra.
They are honorary, but because Frozen is a more profitable brand than Disney Princess, they aren't main members.
HK as in Hong Kong as in THE CASTLE AT THE THEME PARK.
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Still, Elsa and Anna are paired with the princesses sometimes, but not always, that's what I mean about them not being "main" ones, they're above them because Frozen is more profitable on its own.
I became obsessed with that era of cartoon movies and arrived to the conclusion that Snow white is a tech demo designed to BTFO any other studio who might be considering entering the scene.
Literally no rivals for Disney for like 30 years.
Snow White was a culmination of earlier animation techniques made in the 30s with Mickey and Silly Symphonies. Snow White probably isn't the most profound storytelling of Disney, but when you consider that it was THE leap from 8 minutes of story to 80 minutes (and this was when filmmaking was still a fairly new artform) it was actually executed pretty well. It has lots of nice scenes and funny moments and the whole thing flows gracefully. It's a good film, especially for the time. It also paved the way for the other films like Fantasia, Bambi, Pinocchio, etc, but that's kind of obvious. It's hard to appreciate old Disney if you're interesting in animation and film.
>for like 30 years
Odd cut off point. Why there? 1960s animation isn't known for being especially great.
>Odd cut off point. Why there? 1960s animation isn't known for being especially great.
I mean literally.
Look at the animated feature film list in Wikipedia.
It's a carnage.
I think the only watchable non Disney movie after the Fleischer studios died is Charlotte's web from 1973 made by Hanna Barbera
>Charlotte's web
I love how this is the best effort HB could put into animation at the time, and it's still full of straight up Scooby Doo background characters. No wonder E. B. White was so pissed.
official replicas of the cels go for hundreds on eBay
original pencils, that is the pencil drawings used to create the cels in the 1930s, can typically sell for hundreds depending on what the subject matter is
actual original cels and backgrounds are near impossible to find on eBay, and when they are up for sale it’s in the thousands. Once again it depends on the subject matter and the condition the cels are in. Due to their age and significance it can be hard to pin a price on them.
Snow White is fascinating to me as it's a fully animated medieval fantasy that isn't influenced by Tolkein in any way >Seven Dwarfs >Dwarfs
For that reason alone I hold it higher than Cinderella
The spelling of "Dwarfs" didn't becomes "Dwarves" until Tolkien. He also influenced the spelling of "Elfen" to "Elven" and a lot of other words too. In fact it's possible that if not for Tolkien, the native English word "Dwarf" may have become overwritten by the Norse word for dwarves, "Dwerrow"
Compared to literally every other animated movie, Snow White does kinda fall flat, but looking at it in context, I found it very cute and charming for what it was.
Cinderella is the most forgettable one though, which is a worse crime in my opinion, because at least people talk about how shit Pocahontas was.
I liked the dwarves in that. Great early animation character design imo. Also most accurate depiction of a woman
Aurora. The only good thing to come from Sleeping Beauty is Maleficent the movie is so incredibly boring I almost fall asleep every time I try to watch it.
What are you even on about dude? It's literally the least gay Disney movie. Even Aladdin is gaygier.
I don't really forget about Pocahontas. I forget about the plot of it, but I remember the visuals even though I only watched it once. I remember damn near nothing about Cinderella after a couple watches as a kid other than the stuff I know from the moronic story with the slippers and everything, but it's all just so unexciting to me.
Aurora. The only good thing to come from Sleeping Beauty is Maleficent the movie is so incredibly boring I almost fall asleep every time I try to watch it.
The good fairies are the true villain imo >princess cursed to prick her finger on spindle >fairies convince king and queen to give up their daughter to them to "protect" her >king and queen they miss her entire childhood >fairies still fail to protect her
Snow White's also got the horror atmosphere, arguably even more so then Sleeping Beauty. Cinderella's the true weak link of the Walt trio, even though she ended up with the most spinoff material.
Never forget that Cinderella was Walt's favorite, I wonder if that contributes to the fact that she's usually portrayed as the de facto leader of the Princesses.
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Cinderella basically saved the studio and got them out of the package feature rut the War put them into.
I never see people mention this, and it was really impressive. I feel like I read somewhere Walt hated the art though and was pretty unhappy with it.
Sleeping Beauty was the last time Walt tried to push the "Animation as a serious artform" thing, but it ended up being so expensive that it wasn't able to turn a profit in its original run so it ended up being a big disappointment for him. After that, his creative energy went all in on Disneyland and the animation studio itself only really survived because of Xerox making the process cheaper.
>Cinderella's the true weak link of the Walt trio, even though she ended up with the most spinoff material.
Problem with Cindy is that she is just too damn perfect. It's like if they casted Arnold to play a drunk, out of shape trailer trash father but he still kept his hunk body except that he now wears a Nascar cap or something. Cindy doesn't really strike you as a humble, daydreamer woman being overworked by her abusive family. She doesn't look out of a prince's league, even without a fancy dress. She is also very effective at what she does, to the point where the one time she truly feels hopeless is when the fairy godmother shows up.
Also, half of the movie is funny Tom and Jerry slapstick for the kiddies which just feels like it belongs in a different movie.
I found myself more engaged in Snow White and Cinderella than Sleeping Beauty, b***h just fricking sings and dies like an idiot, the scene with the prince escaping is kinda cool, but the whole story overall just didn't engage me I guess.
>Snow White is outdated
That movie is still beautiful all these decades later. It's a masterpiece to this day. The story is timeless. I get this is Cinemaphile but your contrarianism is flat out moronic in this instance
Sleeping Beauty gets points for Maleficent, the cool visuals, and being the first Disney Princess movie to actually name the prince in the movie, but that's about it.
>being the first Disney Princess movie to actually name the prince in the movie
And then Beauty and the Beast had to come and frick it up with "Beast".
Like, they're supposed to be building a friendship that will blossom into romance, but at no point either of them try to bring up his actual name.
It always perplexes me that people associate "prince charming" with Cinderella's prince when Snow White's prince was the only one to have the word charming associated with him in the movie. Where do the names Henry and Florian even come from?
>It always perplexes me that people associate "prince charming" with Cinderella's prince when Snow White's prince was the only one to have the word charming associated with him in the movie.
I think it's because Cinderella is more popular, they're both the archetypal Prince Charming, so the title fits either of them, I believe they both even share that name in a Disney game or two. >Where do the names Henry and Florian even come from?
Apparently, Disney France, of all places. >Disney France once revealed in a TV-spot that his real name is Florian. That same TV-spot also gives Prince Charming's name as Henry.
It was thought for a while that Snow White's prince was named Ferdinand because of a confusion with the Disney Ferdinand short.
Belle does tell him her name, but even at the very end, Beast is still just referred as Beast.
We don't get to see them actually interact when he's a human again, but I would assume he would tell her his name at some point.
Then Beast/Adam teams up with Fairy Godmother to make a Secret Wars tier amalgam planet that he will be god king of. Also resurrect any villains who died, put the rest that didn't, also revoke any redemptions for ex villains like Anastasia and Iago, then send them all to a prison colony with an anti magic barrier from which there is no escape. Not only are Adam and Fairy Godmother evil in the Descendants universe, but either Belle is okay with it or she's brainwashed like how Prince Charming was in Cinderella 3: A Twist in Time, the world of Descendants is beyond fricked up.
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Is that Sherwood forrest where they send all of the furries to?
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>And we’ll put Cinderella’s castle here, and Ariel’s right near the coast, and we’ll put agrabah all the way over here behind the great wall, because you know how those people can be.
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I know right? Both Arabs and Chinese are put behind the great wall, what did Disney mean by this?
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>Notre Dame and Camelot just one Sherwood Forest away from one another
The hell?
>a lot of people complain that Adam's human form is ugly and should've stayed as a beast
That was actually a complaint that Guillermo del Toro had with Beauty and the Beast going into Shape of water. That a woman falls in love with a monster, but in the end the monster transforms to fit society standard of beauty instead of staying the beast.
But even then i always like the house objects turned back into people. Which seriously talk about a shit deal, getting cursed because your boss was rude to a witch.
he was a child at the time. Really this just seems like standard shitty witch behaviour.
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I don't think they meant for him to be too young when he got cursed, like, they obviously wanted us to think that it happened for his own shitty attitude, rather than something like "oh he was just a kid'.
The "10 years" mentioned by Lumiere were probably just put there in the song without thinking much about the implications.
>a lot of people complain that Adam's human form is ugly and should've stayed as a beast
That was actually a complaint that Guillermo del Toro had with Beauty and the Beast going into Shape of water. That a woman falls in love with a monster, but in the end the monster transforms to fit society standard of beauty instead of staying the beast.
But even then i always like the house objects turned back into people. Which seriously talk about a shit deal, getting cursed because your boss was rude to a witch.
While I do agree I'm not a fan of the Beasts human form. As a kid I understood the message, too look beyond appearance and see the person within, which is a good message to teach kids.
It has nothing to do with ''transforms to fit society standard of beauty'', the beast was already a beautiful person, the transformation just showed us his real and true version of himself, at least that's how I understood it.
He isn't even ugly. People were just too used to his beast form so it felt weird to see Belle marrying this dude. His first shot as a human also looks particularly weird because of the angle they picked.
>a lot of people complain that Adam's human form is ugly and should've stayed as a beast
That was actually a complaint that Guillermo del Toro had with Beauty and the Beast going into Shape of water. That a woman falls in love with a monster, but in the end the monster transforms to fit society standard of beauty instead of staying the beast.
But even then i always like the house objects turned back into people. Which seriously talk about a shit deal, getting cursed because your boss was rude to a witch.
>That a woman falls in love with a monster, but in the end the monster transforms to fit society standard of beauty instead of staying the beast.
It's amazing how many people get filtered by these movies. It has nothing to do with society's standards, but the difference between the beauty within and the beauty outside.
Belle was a pretty girl desired by the village's most attractive man. He only gave a damn about her looks and had no interest in who she was. She saw him for the piece of shit he was and rejected him. He gets butthurt and does horrible things, leading to his own death.
Beast was a handsome guy who got cursed for being a piece of shit. He got frustrated and dragged down everybody else with him. He meets Belle, who he gets to know properly, and they fall in love after getting used to each other, slowly. He also grows as a person and mellows out A LOT.
Them the curse is broken, symbolizing that the beast finally learned his lesson. His handsome look now reflects on just how beautiful he is within, just like Belle always was yet he was the only one to notice that.
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While I do agree I'm not a fan of the Beasts human form. As a kid I understood the message, too look beyond appearance and see the person within, which is a good message to teach kids.
It has nothing to do with ''transforms to fit society standard of beauty'', the beast was already a beautiful person, the transformation just showed us his real and true version of himself, at least that's how I understood it.
That's the thing. The beast form reflected on his inner beauty. He was an butthole who had to suffer a lot to learn his lesson. His biggest development is when he throws away his one chance at breaking the curse just to make Belle happy, after investing so much time on her. Gaston would never have done something like that, which is why the beast more than earned his happy ending.
>who got cursed for being a piece of shit
This never made sense to me. He was a little boy telling a stranger they couldn't come in his house. A stranger with powerful magic who didnt need to come in, witches ain't threatened by the elements, especialy one who can transform people into giant mountain goats. Then the stranger curses him, and turning into a physical monster is both a physical curse and a social one, stunting his mental development, (no one even teaches him to read). His attitude in his adulthood was pretty magnificent for what is basically a feral child. His furniture servants enable him, but again, not his fault.
Also what is the challenge of being loved by his 21st birthday supposed to teach him about trusting strangers, or anything stranger danger related?
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BatB works on Russian fairy tale logic, where horrible, horrible misfortune will befall you for the most minute of reasons with little in the way of recourse. Also the film's moral clashes pretty hard with Gaston considering that the film condemns him for being less of an butthole than the Beast.
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>considering that the film condemns him for being less of an butthole than the Beast.
You gotta remember that Gaston was constantly jerked off by the village. He wasn't throwing people in dungeons because there was no reason to. Belle was the one person to not play along and that made him snap.
Sleeping Beauty is so faithful to its name, an absolutely arresting parade of background eye candy that is nonetheless snore.
In that sense the new Cuphead series is its spiritual successor.
>not enjoying the fairy slapstick >not enjoying chad Phillip slaying the b***h himself >not enjoying the pure sex that is the background art in that movie
Merida is one of the two Disney Princesses without a spin-off or sequel, the other one being Snow White, there's probably other stories they could tell with her if they wanted. Before you ask, Tiana and Moana are both getting Disney+ series.
>Merida is off wandering the woods trying to escape some political drama with the Clans back home >doing her usually tomboy shit, shooting arrows at stuff and seething about having to wear dress >suddenly hears what sounds like a fierce battle going on in the woods >finds a young man with an ornate spear fighting a giant boar >helps him drive off the beast (not kill, its Disney after all) >finds out that he is an adventurer from a far off emerald isle >he invites her on a quest to the fabled planes of Tír na nÓg to save his father >misadventure and Celtic shenanigans ensue
I love Mulan as a character but her movie is seriously dragged down by Mushu. Fricker is super annoying and unfunny. Little Mermaid also has a serious issue with Ariel being a c**t, having someone else solve her problems for her and never really learning her lesson. That and her relationship with her father not being properly developed.
Brave and Pocahontas are both pretty lame. I'd ultimately have to give it to Brave, though, because at least Pocahontas is nice to look at. On the other hand, I like Merida way better than Pocahontas and think she deserves to be in a cooler movie.
Definitely between Pocahontas and Brave for me. Pocahontas is boring but Brave is annoying. Princess and the Frog is an honorable mention for worst, but the songs, villain and visuals hold up too well.
Moana was a disjointed mess, each scene felt like more of a episodic variety tv show, and they motivation was so scattered. It starts out a family dynamic of safety vs exploration, but fricking dropps that for magic monsters and maggufins. is she saving her island from blight? Or does she have wanderlust? Or is she returning a maguffin to a previously unknown God via demigod fetch quest. I was seriously expecting more metaphoric resolution from the tone in the first half, but Jesus it tone shifted hard, at the tikki momsters (which where pursuing them, but never reappeared) or the crab who is compelled to collect (but never reappears) and had such a shattered theme set.
Brave shit the bed at the witch scene, in several ways:
1 the witch as a comedy relief character failed next to her brothers, and the patriarchs
2 the deal was so fucing ambiguous (the witch can clearly only do bear magic) killing her mother was still within the boundaries of the agreement
3 who the frick accepts unknown food from a third party in the middle of a tense faction negotiation? Even a teen princess would know poison
4 again weird tone shift from serious and metaphoric. But at least the theme remaind her and her mother's relationship, God they could keep the transforming her own mother, just drop the fricking witch scene
re:Brave, this is why I've maintained that one way to make the movie much more interesting is to just completely ditch the bear transformation stuff, just make the potion fatal poison, and make the movie a dark comedy about Merida killing her mother (using the witch business as a way of distancing herself psychologically) and then panicking and hiding her involvement as everyone reacts to the murder.
>Snow White
The Queen's death. >Cinderella
The king outright going legit homicidal on the poor Duke, Tremaine being a b***h and tripping Cinderella. >Sleeping Beauty
The drunk minstrel gets me every time.
The Dwarves in the mine, The Dwarves coming home to find Snow White for the first time, The Queen talking with her Magic Mirror, the Dwarves chasing after the queen and her death.
>Sleeping Beauty
Aurora singing in the woods, The Fairies making and arguing over Aurora's dress, pretty much any scene with Maleficent, Prince Phillip receiving the sword and shield from the Fairies, Phillip fighting and slaying Maleficent dragon.
>Cinderella
Cinderella waking up and singing with the animals, Cinderella finding and dressing Gus, Cinderella speaking with Lady Tremaine the first time, The mice going through the walls, Cinderella getting her gown from her Fairy Godmother, Cinderella dancing with the prince then running off at midnight, the whole glass slipper affair.
Go right ahead, and eat shit. Sorry all the latest brown girl movies aren't even half as memorable. At least you still have Aladdin, and Mulan.
Cinderella was the most entertaining out of all of them. Snow White had the dancing dwarves and the evil Queen moments. Sleeping Beauty was the snoozefest
>Snow White
the mining song >Sleeping Beauty
Prince Phillip slaying dragon Maleficent (who is using all the powers of hell) by throwing an enchanted sword into her heart. >Cinderella
Either the vermin making the dress or the stepsisters tearing it apart.
>Snow White
Snow scolding one of the critters for hiding dust under the carpet >Sleeping Beauty
The fairies fighting over Aurora's dress color. >Cinderella
The king flipping the frick out.
remind me again how Disney is allowed to claim ownership over a real native american woman, the rest of these are fairy tale figures but Pocahantes was a 10-yr old girl when she met the settlers and she was exposed to disease in england and died while being paraded around as a fundraising PR stunt
>how Disney is allowed to claim ownership over a real native american woman
They didn't? I believe they on their fictional version based on said real native american woman, not the actual concept of her, same with the other characters, Disney owns their versions, not the originals.
>remind me again how Disney is allowed to claim ownership over a real native american woman >the rest of these are fairy tale figures
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/tolkien-cs-lewis-disney-snow-white-narnia-hobbit-dwarves >To both Tolkien and Lewis, it seemed, Disney’s dwarves were a gross simplification of a concept they held as precious. “I think it grated on them that he was commercializing something that they considered almost sacrosanct,” says Trish Lambert, a Tolkien scholar and author of the essay, Snow White and Bilbo Baggins: Divergences and Convergences Between Disney and Tolkien. “Here you have a brash, American entrepreneur who had the audacity to go in and make money off of fairy tales.” >Tolkien’s opinion of Disney didn’t get any better over the years. In a number of letters dated after his Snow White date with Lewis, Tolkien refers to Disney’s works as “vulgar.” Tolkien also believed that fairy tales had become hopelessly infantilized, noting in his 1947 essay On Fairy-Stories that “the association of children and fairy-stories is an accident of our domestic history.”
Tolkien was a notoriously stuck-up person
One time a fan sent him a goblet that he had put a lot of work into and spent a fair bit of money to make, but he had carved in elvish the "one ring to ruin them all" poem on it, and it upset Tolkien, so he used the goblet as an ashtray.
> but he had carved in elvish the "one ring to ruin them all" poem on it, and it upset Tolkien, so he used the goblet as an ashtray.
was it written in elvish, or the black script of mordor?
Tolkein was notoriously superstitious around the black language he created, he treated it like it was the actual devil's tongue and cringed when it was spoken or written
if it was just elvish I could see that being something of a dickish move
Pretty confident it was the black language. Either way its less about Tolkein being a dick and more about him treating this stuff like it was Serious Business.
Pretty confident it was the black language. Either way its less about Tolkein being a dick and more about him treating this stuff like it was Serious Business.
It still makes Tolkien a dick because instead of just giving it away to someone else or sending it back and saying he wasn't comfortable with it, he used it as an ashtray. Somebody spent all that hard time and work to make something that person thought Tolkien might enjoy only for Tolkien to trash it because of his own personal issues
Tolkien was a notoriously stuck-up person
One time a fan sent him a goblet that he had put a lot of work into and spent a fair bit of money to make, but he had carved in elvish the "one ring to ruin them all" poem on it, and it upset Tolkien, so he used the goblet as an ashtray.
reminder too that while they were good buds tolkien was also forever buttblasted that he converted lewis to the wrong kind of christianity (tolkien was catholic, lewis became anglican)
IDK being mad about being "exposed to disease" when the disease was literally just omnipresent is a bit of a stretch. They really wouldn't have known the differential in disease resistance at the time, not to mention even without the differential it was always an inherent risk even if you stayed in the same place your whole life and europeans often just started dying the moment they stepped off the boat to a foreign land as well. While there were native americans or even asians who traveled to europe and then died of contracted diseases there were also examples of native americans who returned from England alive and then walked up to the plymouth colony arrivals and welcomed them in perfect english, so it was a lot more of a roll of the dice than a death sentence.
>Pocahontas was underage and died from a disease >her love interest was a huge butthole
Oddly enough, Disney was developing that movie alongside Lion King. They expected it to be a huge hit because they were contacting actual native Americans for reference while the Lion King team got mocked for working on "Bambi in Africa". Funny how things turned out.
I haven't seen Brave (even though I have it downloaded somewhere), Princess and the Frog, or Moana, so I suspect it's one of them. Especially because I remember all three being negatively panned when they came out.
Most of the other ladies' movies are technically and visually impressive, and/or are a fun, thrilling story.
Some said it was boring, and poorly paced. Some said it was racist, because of the voodoo villain, or because of something relating to Jim Crow, or because Tiana wasn't dark enough and/or was lightened in some scenes supposedly.
Some said it was boring, and poorly paced. Some said it was racist, because of the voodoo villain, or because of something relating to Jim Crow, or because Tiana wasn't dark enough and/or was lightened in some scenes supposedly.
The real issue is that Tiana isn't the protagonist. Naveen is the protagonist while Tiana is the focal character, but Naveen isn't a particularly proactive protagonist and Tiana spends the film prodding and carrying him through the narrative. The plot of PatF really has nothing to do with Tiana's goals, she has no development in terms of character, and the whole film is essentially a woman having a very weird speedbump while trying to start her own business.
Anyone saying anything other than Pocahontas is either lying or hasn't watched it in a while.
>she has no development in terms of character
They were trying to develop her character in terms of getting her to take it easy and appreciate what she has more, but I don't know if she actually changed at all by the end of the film.
The problem is that she's not stretching herself thin because she's a workaholic, she's actively trying to realize a life goal that requires a lot of dedication and hard work. And then the film throws a massive fricking curveball at her that requires more effort and work to overcome. If that was the moral they were aiming for they didn't just miss the mark, they were actively working against themselves.
tbh I was expecting all the money she was literally hiding under her bed to be a bit of leverage Dr Faciller would find and hold over her head, that she would have to discard for" love".
You totally missed the film then. Naveen and Tiana had what eachother needed.
Tiana was all work and no play, Naveen was all play and no work.
Naveen learns the reward of a little effort, and Tiana learns to lighten up and enjoy life beyond working to honor her father.
Brave is the worst because Merida is actively a shitty and unlikable c**t. She pretends to be oppressed despite being a royal princess. Snow White was an oppressed princess who was forced to work like a maid. Merida is simply shit. And every problem in the film is her fault and she spends most of the movie denying that she's responsible.
And by the movie's ending? Merida gets her way and it's her mother who needs to change to please her spoiled brat c**t of a daughter. And it's disgusting this movie won the Oscar. Look I get that Oscars are trash, but the message Hollywood sent by praising this movie? Repulsive shit.
I haven't watched Pocahontas at all, it's the one Disney Princess movie I haven't seen, this thread kinda makes me want to watch it so I can see how bad/boring it is.
There's never been any official promotional Disney material released that actually states her age, but in early stages of development, her age was stated to be 14, while Florian's age was 18.
Nowadays, Disney usually portrays her older than that, like in the Ralph sequel.
>that one comic that follows Snow White's POV and showed that she actually loved and admired the Evil Queen without actually knowing she was evil >even as she's dying from the apple and realizes the hag the queen in disguise, she wonders what she did wrong for her to want to kill her
Pocahontas or Brave. I'm biased towards Pocahontas getting the spot though, at least Brave entertained me and I can actually tell you the plot. Pocahontas was that forgettable.
I didn't really care for Snow White.
I know it gets tons of praise for being an early animated success, but I don't connect with the plot or characters at all.
2nd worst is Brave. Merida cute tho.
>the one of the black one
stop baiting. Princess & the Frog was one of the last great Disney animated films. Beautiful animation, fun characters, great songs, and a memorable villain who is voiced by Keith David. Shit went downhill after that.
>that /ss/ scene with the rabbit kid
Real shame that this movie is only associated with furry shit. It's actually a pretty fun one to watch and the villain is on point.
It has one of the best Disney song, actually i'll say it's the best since unlike hellfire it makes soimen cry racism for showing the natives as flawed.
>it makes soimen cry racism for showing the natives as flawed.
Besides taking liberties with the source material, the movie is dragged down by unfunny slapstick, a one dimensional villain and Pocahontas almost killing everybody over white wiener.
People here say Snow White but I’d argue that Sleeping Beauty is worse because other than Maleficent, the kings, and the fairies throughout the movie and the fight at the end it honestly is less consistent than Snow White with a heroine even less involved in the plot that is even more of a plot device. It’s hard carried by supporting characters. Cinderella, Pocahontas, and Brave are also either very bland for too many long stretches or are all over the place and the latter most is kinda a waste of a princess.
Tangled, while not even a bad movie by the opinionated metrics above, I also don’t care for but I can’t put my finger on why.
>Tangled, while not even a bad movie by the opinionated metrics above, I also don’t care for but I can’t put my finger on why.
Low and unnecessary stakes. >Cinderella is literally a slave >Snow White is an assassination target >Aurora is the living dead and her sleep corrupts the land
Meanwhile Rapunzel is stuck in a tower with bed hair
Rapunzel is like Cinderella in that they're both trapped by abusive (step) parents, though Gothel is a manipulator while Lady Tremaine openly hates Cinderella's guts.
Her mom died, and her dad remarried. Okay, but what happened to the dad i didn't see his ass, also the step sisters were from another guy, so did he die as well?
Also Cinderella is a nickname because she sleeps in the fireplace. Is Cinderella her actual name in the movie?
>but what happened to the dad i didn't see his ass
The movie does show him at the beginning, and explains that he died too, leaving Cinderella at the mercy of her Wicked Stepmother™. >the step sisters were from another guy, so did he die as well?
Correct, a lot of dead parents in this story. >Is Cinderella her actual name in the movie?
Yes, that part of the book didn't make it into the Disney version.
Damn just looking at that, by itself it looks it could take place in 100 dalmatians.
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101 Dalmatians was set contemporaneously. Cinderella is fairly ambiguous as to when it was set but all the clothing has a distinct 19th century look (albeit filtered through Hollywood).
So if I go to Disneyland and call her Cinderella she won't slap the shit out of me Will Smith style? I always wondered if she would consider that rude.
>but what happened to the dad i didn't see his ass
The movie does show him at the beginning, and explains that he died too, leaving Cinderella at the mercy of her Wicked Stepmother™. >the step sisters were from another guy, so did he die as well?
Correct, a lot of dead parents in this story. >Is Cinderella her actual name in the movie?
Yes, that part of the book didn't make it into the Disney version.
Also, I don't know how "canon" this is, but pic related is the only image we have of Lady Tremaine's first husband, so I'll take it.
And while we're in the topic of dead fathers, here's a fairly recent image of Snow White's father.
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Is the stable boy an important character?
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Maybe? I don't have the book, and there sadly isn't much interest out there to pirate books made for girls aged 6-8, so we might never know about all this exclusive Disney Princess lore.
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I like how Ralph wrecks the Internet talks about dead moms, but not all the dead dads.
Which is bullshit Brave, tangled, The Princess and the Frog, and Mulan habe moms
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Sleeping Beauty and Moana have the moms alive as well.
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Snow white looks far better here
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Snow White is meant to be like 13 in the original, so how old is she here? 5?
Also why is that horse looking at the King like that?
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>Snow White is meant to be like 13 in the original
Actually 14 I believe.
Cinderella's dad died when she was young, not long after marrying Lady Tremaine. Since she was widowed twice in quick succession, a lot of people think she knocked off both her husbands.
How the Seven Dwarfs Got Started
Snow White, which is also known as “Keeper of the Dwarfs” was originally published in 1812 by the Brothers Grimm. It was included in their first edition Grimm’s Fairy Tales collection.
The Grimms had a few different versions of the Snow White story and completed their final revision in 1854. In the original story, Snow White ate all the seven dwarfs food, drank some of their wine and tested all their beds until she fell asleep in one.
Ultimately the dwarfs found her and allowed her to stay with them in exchange for her cleaning their house! Quite a different story from the Walt Disney version where she cleaned the house first, before the dwarfs came home!
There’s a few other differences between the 2 stories but the biggest one is that in the Brothers Grimm tale, there were dwarfs but none of them had names.
>with a heroine even less involved in the plot that is even more of a plot device
Snow White is absolutely centered about Snow, though. The entire conflict derails from the queen being jealous that Snow is considered the fairest of them all. This has to do with her personality, which is that she is pure of heart, innocent to a fault. She befriends wild animals because they see no bad intent on her, they help her with finding the dwarfs who open up to her after realizing that she is just an innocent little girl who wants what's best for them. The hunter spares her life because he doesn't have the guts to kill such an innocent person. The queen is only person rotten enough to cause her harm in the movie.
Basically, the movie is about Snow being too pure for this shitty world.
Aurora's is the worst. She only shows up for like 10 minutes. Then Cinderella. Altho classical and watched it billions of times, never enjoyed the cat/mouse scene except when they make the dress.
>Aurora's is the worst. She only shows up for like 10 minutes.
I can't help but imagine what Modern Disney's take on Sleeping Beauty would be, something along the lines of Tangled that take many creative liberties with the fairy tale and gives the main girl a lot more to do.
Like, maybe Aurora gets put to sleep at very beginning, and the film is about her travelling through various people's dreams looking for a way to break the curse and/or defeat Maleficent.
Modern Disney's take on Sleeping Beauty was Maleficent, where the straight white male king is the bad guy and the evil fairy is the good guy (and also doesn't turn into a cool-ass dragon with the powers of hell).
Maleficent was more like a live-action reboot/reinterpretation of the animated film, what I mean is how would a more modern Disney reinterpret the original fairy tale to give more personality to the female lead like they did in The Princess and the Frog or Tangled.
This, of course, would be in a world where Disney never made Sleeping Beauty way back then, and they only decided to make a film based on it very later on in their existence, so the final product would probably only be loosely based on the original fairy tale like those other aforementioned films.
Like, she would still fall asleep because that's kinda the whole point of her character, but they'd probably try do something with that so she feels more like an actual character, and less like a plot device.
The biggest complaints in jest so far is Aurora is acting like a brat running away from responsibility. A reimagining would incorporate her having an arc where she tries to become a political leader or some shit. Or checking her privileges and using her upcoming status to better the unfortunate. Or getting mad at her parents for robbing people's livelihood just for her sake. Maybe have the kingdom previously be a king of the textile industry and the townsfolk suffered and fell to poverty in 18 years. She already kinda had leadership plot in a straight-to-home dvd short
Worst movie, Moana. Defeinitely the weakest of all disney princess movies.
Worst part in a movie, probably a three way tie between Tiana, Belle and Moana
Brave, followed by Moana. Haven't seen any other shitty ones. I legit love Pocahontas for nostalgia reasons. My favorite's always gonna be Snow White, since it's my favorite Disney movie.
Well, Pocahontas isn't bad in any sort of film making sense... But the fact that it's an extremely warped version of real world events that were pretty damn depressing and fricked up makes it... A little awkward to watch once you know that.
Every Disney film has a warped version of reality I don't see how Pocahontas stands out in that regard.
Sure we have some historical record of her life, but it's not like we've got every detail. How she was thinking and feeling. Who said what to whom.
A Disney Pocahontas film was always going to have quasi-intelligent animals and gay songs. Does it really matter if some of the character interaction is altered in service of the plot? Its a fictionalized story, not a biographic retelling.
Well, see the problems is that in something like The Princess and the Frog all the characters are fictional and so are the events, it's really just the setting of 1920's Louisiana that is warped.
But the fact that Pocahontas, John Smith, John Ratcliffe and Powhatan were all real people makes the presentation of it all a bit uncomfortable. Had the movie just been about entirely fictional characters and had it featured a plot that can't even be vaguely seen as being based on real event, this wouldn't have been a problem.
>featured a plot that can't even be vaguely seen as being based on real event
So exactly what the movie had? It's now agreed upon by historians that John Smith made up the entire incident, and I don't remember the part where Jamestown turned on Ratcliffe for being too agreeable to the natives or when the Powhatan captured him under a false flag of parlay then tortured him to death.
>Its a fictionalized story, not a biographic retelling.
Your average burger looks at documentaries and historical comedy/dramas and sees them as historical biography or biopic unless there's literal magic or dragons in them. Sometimes, even if there's magic and dragons.
>3. Pocahontas
Really weak Disney princess but I like the male characters too much and the music to call it bad. Amazingly offensive retelling of history. Very beautiful for how bland it is. >2. Moana
It's just 3D Pocahontas for zoomers with a terrible twist villain. Maui is the only thing that's okay. >1, Brave
Just really bad. Butchered script stolen from original writer. Pixar can't make a Disney princess character and doesn't understand the formula
I hate to agree. Best Princess because its different, but yeah, that story did her no favors. One of these days I would love to have a more mature "Brave" that really captures what make Merida so great.
I don't think so, Moana didn't get a coronation (sure, she isn't an actual princess, but her father is the chief, so it's close enough), she just got slowly integrated in merch and the site, if they wanted Anastasia as a princess, they would've done it by now.
I honestly don't ever see Anastasia becoming an official Disney Princess, she wasn't even made by Disney, just acquired.
Brave, i thought she was going to be Boudicca or some princess helping braveheart, what a letdown...she only had her period
I've never seen Pocahontas but i think it's bland
NTA but Moana was fun. A big thing is that Brave wasn't what it advertised at all. As another anon said earlier, it's very obvious that the two directors were playing tug-of-war.
Depends what do you define as a bad movie?
I dunno, I was kind hoping for your personal opinion.
Off top Snow white, but it's kind unfair. It's like no shit something that old doesn't hold up, also the formula hadn't been define.
This is a tough decision, because some over the movie are great despite nthe princess.
Although I personally like the movie, brave is really off ehat i consider a princess movie.
Honestly, of this picture I would probably say brave. Yeah it was gorgeous, and I like Merida well enough but the plot was such a random mess. The others worst crimes is that they can be trope-y (which I expect of the old one cuz they pretty much defined the tropes for the genre).
Most moronic thing I've read all day. Snow White is pure kino.
Brave, Princess and the Frog, and Moana are the worst.
>Filtered by Snow White
Peak homosexualry
Pocahontas is pretty bad. Incredibly bland, has garbage side characters and a selfish protagonist. Little Mermaid is also debatable due to being such a waste of potential.
Snow White is simple but it does what it has to do and it does so well without mocking the source material in some way. It has catchy music, memorable characters and a cute, naive to a fault protagonist.
Pocahontas.
Brave is flawed but Pocahontas, both as a character and a movie, is just a very beautiful looking complete bore.
Definitely Pocahontas
I still remember The Princess Diaries, that was the peak of the Princess sub-genre and it all went downhill from there.
Moana is watchable.
Brave & Pocahontas are boring af with zero redeeming qualities.
Snow White was boring but classic, which is excusable.
Cinderella was bland and did not have the same flavor as Beauty and the Beast.
I’d say that applies more towards Sleeping Beauty. The only character in that movie that had any charisma was the villain
Even that puts Sleeping Beauty in an advantage over Pocahontas. ONE charismatic character is better than none.
>The only character in that movie that had any charisma was the villain
That's more than you can say about Pocahontas, and the good fairies had charisma
The fairies were also good. Phillip was awesome in his own way, going out there and getting shit done. Really, that movie's weakness is the bland princess.
Sleeping Beauty has the only Prince that actually does something other than be there
The only thing that I remember of Pocahontas (save the beautiful imagery) is Savages, and thhat's for how blatantly racist (and meant as such) it is for a Disney movie
Pocahontas, Brave, Moana
Brave had a bear milf, it was alright.
Moana is far from the worst. It's a tie between Poca, Brave, and if Raya is there, Raya.
5 and 7
Does Rayah count?
Not yet.
Never. Movie was a merchandising flop.
Now that I think about it, it probably should. I forgot all about that movie too.
Oh, if Raya's included, it's indisputably the worst, no contest. Nothing in that movie can save it. Worst trash I've ever seen from Disney. (To be fair, I haven't seen the Frozen or Wreck-It Ralph sequels.)
I'm only talking about the 12 Disney Princesses that Disney curently acknowledges as the main ones, Raya may join the group in the future, but right now, she's not even an honorary member like Alice and that's a good thing!
I don't care if she's honorary or not, Alice is the best princess.
she cute
Great design, cute voice. Her movie is crap, though.
>12
judging from this stained glass window in HK disney land there are 13 canonical disney princesses.
each one gets a flower except pocahantas who only gets a leaf.
pocabrotas... why does disney despise us?
>KH
>canon to anything
Elsa and Anna are officially not part of the main 12 Princess line-up, but they are included from time to time, as an extra.
They are honorary, but because Frozen is a more profitable brand than Disney Princess, they aren't main members.
HK as in Hong Kong as in THE CASTLE AT THE THEME PARK.
Still, Elsa and Anna are paired with the princesses sometimes, but not always, that's what I mean about them not being "main" ones, they're above them because Frozen is more profitable on its own.
Which one is Anna?
She shares the Snowflake with Elsa.
I find Snow White incredibly bland and boring, even compared to the other early princess movies
I became obsessed with that era of cartoon movies and arrived to the conclusion that Snow white is a tech demo designed to BTFO any other studio who might be considering entering the scene.
Literally no rivals for Disney for like 30 years.
Snow White was a culmination of earlier animation techniques made in the 30s with Mickey and Silly Symphonies. Snow White probably isn't the most profound storytelling of Disney, but when you consider that it was THE leap from 8 minutes of story to 80 minutes (and this was when filmmaking was still a fairly new artform) it was actually executed pretty well. It has lots of nice scenes and funny moments and the whole thing flows gracefully. It's a good film, especially for the time. It also paved the way for the other films like Fantasia, Bambi, Pinocchio, etc, but that's kind of obvious. It's hard to appreciate old Disney if you're interesting in animation and film.
>for like 30 years
Odd cut off point. Why there? 1960s animation isn't known for being especially great.
>Odd cut off point. Why there? 1960s animation isn't known for being especially great.
I mean literally.
Look at the animated feature film list in Wikipedia.
It's a carnage.
I think the only watchable non Disney movie after the Fleischer studios died is Charlotte's web from 1973 made by Hanna Barbera
>Charlotte's web
I love how this is the best effort HB could put into animation at the time, and it's still full of straight up Scooby Doo background characters. No wonder E. B. White was so pissed.
How much does a snow white cel go for?
official replicas of the cels go for hundreds on eBay
original pencils, that is the pencil drawings used to create the cels in the 1930s, can typically sell for hundreds depending on what the subject matter is
actual original cels and backgrounds are near impossible to find on eBay, and when they are up for sale it’s in the thousands. Once again it depends on the subject matter and the condition the cels are in. Due to their age and significance it can be hard to pin a price on them.
Snow White is fascinating to me as it's a fully animated medieval fantasy that isn't influenced by Tolkein in any way
>Seven Dwarfs
>Dwarfs
For that reason alone I hold it higher than Cinderella
The spelling of "Dwarfs" didn't becomes "Dwarves" until Tolkien. He also influenced the spelling of "Elfen" to "Elven" and a lot of other words too. In fact it's possible that if not for Tolkien, the native English word "Dwarf" may have become overwritten by the Norse word for dwarves, "Dwerrow"
Snow White represents the very end of pre-Tolkien fantasy: both it and The Hobbit were released in 1937.
Compared to literally every other animated movie, Snow White does kinda fall flat, but looking at it in context, I found it very cute and charming for what it was.
Pocahontas was the worst one.
Cinderella is the most forgettable one though, which is a worse crime in my opinion, because at least people talk about how shit Pocahontas was.
I liked the dwarves in that. Great early animation character design imo. Also most accurate depiction of a woman
What are you even on about dude? It's literally the least gay Disney movie. Even Aladdin is gaygier.
>Cinderella is the most forgettable one though
Nope, that would be Pocahontas too, Cinderella is THE Princess movie.
I don't really forget about Pocahontas. I forget about the plot of it, but I remember the visuals even though I only watched it once. I remember damn near nothing about Cinderella after a couple watches as a kid other than the stuff I know from the moronic story with the slippers and everything, but it's all just so unexciting to me.
Agree to disagree.
For better or worse the mice and those damn voices are unforgettable.
Might be an unpopular opinion, but Moana was very boring and full of cliches that I don't like. Brave and Princess and the Frog can be a joint second.
Aurora. The only good thing to come from Sleeping Beauty is Maleficent the movie is so incredibly boring I almost fall asleep every time I try to watch it.
The good fairies are fun.
Okay I'll give you that
The good fairies are the true villain imo
>princess cursed to prick her finger on spindle
>fairies convince king and queen to give up their daughter to them to "protect" her
>king and queen they miss her entire childhood
>fairies still fail to protect her
>"well frick, she died, now what?"
>"let's put everyone else to sleep too so they don't find out we fricked up lol"
What the frick was up with that?
They were trying to cover their own asses/spare everyone else the pain of Maleficent's win, take your pick.
It's the best out of the 3 movies that are essentially the same
You mean the worst one.
Why?
Snow White is outdated, Cinderella is just as "boring" as Sleeping Beauty but without the horror atmosphere
Snow White's also got the horror atmosphere, arguably even more so then Sleeping Beauty. Cinderella's the true weak link of the Walt trio, even though she ended up with the most spinoff material.
Never forget that Cinderella was Walt's favorite, I wonder if that contributes to the fact that she's usually portrayed as the de facto leader of the Princesses.
Cinderella basically saved the studio and got them out of the package feature rut the War put them into.
Sleeping Beauty was the last time Walt tried to push the "Animation as a serious artform" thing, but it ended up being so expensive that it wasn't able to turn a profit in its original run so it ended up being a big disappointment for him. After that, his creative energy went all in on Disneyland and the animation studio itself only really survived because of Xerox making the process cheaper.
>Cinderella's the true weak link of the Walt trio, even though she ended up with the most spinoff material.
Problem with Cindy is that she is just too damn perfect. It's like if they casted Arnold to play a drunk, out of shape trailer trash father but he still kept his hunk body except that he now wears a Nascar cap or something. Cindy doesn't really strike you as a humble, daydreamer woman being overworked by her abusive family. She doesn't look out of a prince's league, even without a fancy dress. She is also very effective at what she does, to the point where the one time she truly feels hopeless is when the fairy godmother shows up.
Also, half of the movie is funny Tom and Jerry slapstick for the kiddies which just feels like it belongs in a different movie.
I found myself more engaged in Snow White and Cinderella than Sleeping Beauty, b***h just fricking sings and dies like an idiot, the scene with the prince escaping is kinda cool, but the whole story overall just didn't engage me I guess.
>b***h just fricking sings and dies like an idiot
kek
>Snow White is outdated
That movie is still beautiful all these decades later. It's a masterpiece to this day. The story is timeless. I get this is Cinemaphile but your contrarianism is flat out moronic in this instance
It's not contrarianism it just started a formula that was refined in better movies
Doesn't mean Snow White is bad or anything
>The only good thing to come from Sleeping Beauty
Background art was good
I never see people mention this, and it was really impressive. I feel like I read somewhere Walt hated the art though and was pretty unhappy with it.
I think he was unhappy with how EXPENSIVE the art turned out, not the look itself.
Sleeping Beauty gets points for Maleficent, the cool visuals, and being the first Disney Princess movie to actually name the prince in the movie, but that's about it.
>being the first Disney Princess movie to actually name the prince in the movie
And then Beauty and the Beast had to come and frick it up with "Beast".
Like, they're supposed to be building a friendship that will blossom into romance, but at no point either of them try to bring up his actual name.
That reminded me of this recent piece of merch that actually uses the princes' names, which is always rare.
I knew Florian and Adam, but I was actually surprised by Henry.
He's still Prince Charming to me tho
>Filename
"Jasmine Princess" sounds like an extremely Chinese name/title, so I guess they just couldn't resist the opportunity.
It always perplexes me that people associate "prince charming" with Cinderella's prince when Snow White's prince was the only one to have the word charming associated with him in the movie. Where do the names Henry and Florian even come from?
>It always perplexes me that people associate "prince charming" with Cinderella's prince when Snow White's prince was the only one to have the word charming associated with him in the movie.
I think it's because Cinderella is more popular, they're both the archetypal Prince Charming, so the title fits either of them, I believe they both even share that name in a Disney game or two.
>Where do the names Henry and Florian even come from?
Apparently, Disney France, of all places.
>Disney France once revealed in a TV-spot that his real name is Florian. That same TV-spot also gives Prince Charming's name as Henry.
It was thought for a while that Snow White's prince was named Ferdinand because of a confusion with the Disney Ferdinand short.
Henry is the better of the two, so he deserves the moniker more.
Cinderella III is genuinely a fun movie
Brave or Moana
>just Aladdin
Heh.
>I love you Beast
>Huh?
>That's your name right?
>Wait you married me and never asked my name? What the shit Belle?
Holy shit, do they seriously never tell each other their names?
Belle does tell him her name, but even at the very end, Beast is still just referred as Beast.
We don't get to see them actually interact when he's a human again, but I would assume he would tell her his name at some point.
Then Beast/Adam teams up with Fairy Godmother to make a Secret Wars tier amalgam planet that he will be god king of. Also resurrect any villains who died, put the rest that didn't, also revoke any redemptions for ex villains like Anastasia and Iago, then send them all to a prison colony with an anti magic barrier from which there is no escape. Not only are Adam and Fairy Godmother evil in the Descendants universe, but either Belle is okay with it or she's brainwashed like how Prince Charming was in Cinderella 3: A Twist in Time, the world of Descendants is beyond fricked up.
Is that Sherwood forrest where they send all of the furries to?
>And we’ll put Cinderella’s castle here, and Ariel’s right near the coast, and we’ll put agrabah all the way over here behind the great wall, because you know how those people can be.
I know right? Both Arabs and Chinese are put behind the great wall, what did Disney mean by this?
>Notre Dame and Camelot just one Sherwood Forest away from one another
The hell?
>movie is about looking past people's appearances
>a lot of people complain that Adam's human form is ugly and should've stayed as a beast
Society
>a lot of people complain that Adam's human form is ugly and should've stayed as a beast
That was actually a complaint that Guillermo del Toro had with Beauty and the Beast going into Shape of water. That a woman falls in love with a monster, but in the end the monster transforms to fit society standard of beauty instead of staying the beast.
But even then i always like the house objects turned back into people. Which seriously talk about a shit deal, getting cursed because your boss was rude to a witch.
he was a child at the time. Really this just seems like standard shitty witch behaviour.
I don't think they meant for him to be too young when he got cursed, like, they obviously wanted us to think that it happened for his own shitty attitude, rather than something like "oh he was just a kid'.
The "10 years" mentioned by Lumiere were probably just put there in the song without thinking much about the implications.
While I do agree I'm not a fan of the Beasts human form. As a kid I understood the message, too look beyond appearance and see the person within, which is a good message to teach kids.
It has nothing to do with ''transforms to fit society standard of beauty'', the beast was already a beautiful person, the transformation just showed us his real and true version of himself, at least that's how I understood it.
He isn't even ugly. People were just too used to his beast form so it felt weird to see Belle marrying this dude. His first shot as a human also looks particularly weird because of the angle they picked.
>That a woman falls in love with a monster, but in the end the monster transforms to fit society standard of beauty instead of staying the beast.
It's amazing how many people get filtered by these movies. It has nothing to do with society's standards, but the difference between the beauty within and the beauty outside.
Belle was a pretty girl desired by the village's most attractive man. He only gave a damn about her looks and had no interest in who she was. She saw him for the piece of shit he was and rejected him. He gets butthurt and does horrible things, leading to his own death.
Beast was a handsome guy who got cursed for being a piece of shit. He got frustrated and dragged down everybody else with him. He meets Belle, who he gets to know properly, and they fall in love after getting used to each other, slowly. He also grows as a person and mellows out A LOT.
Them the curse is broken, symbolizing that the beast finally learned his lesson. His handsome look now reflects on just how beautiful he is within, just like Belle always was yet he was the only one to notice that.
That's the thing. The beast form reflected on his inner beauty. He was an butthole who had to suffer a lot to learn his lesson. His biggest development is when he throws away his one chance at breaking the curse just to make Belle happy, after investing so much time on her. Gaston would never have done something like that, which is why the beast more than earned his happy ending.
>who got cursed for being a piece of shit
This never made sense to me. He was a little boy telling a stranger they couldn't come in his house. A stranger with powerful magic who didnt need to come in, witches ain't threatened by the elements, especialy one who can transform people into giant mountain goats. Then the stranger curses him, and turning into a physical monster is both a physical curse and a social one, stunting his mental development, (no one even teaches him to read). His attitude in his adulthood was pretty magnificent for what is basically a feral child. His furniture servants enable him, but again, not his fault.
Also what is the challenge of being loved by his 21st birthday supposed to teach him about trusting strangers, or anything stranger danger related?
BatB works on Russian fairy tale logic, where horrible, horrible misfortune will befall you for the most minute of reasons with little in the way of recourse. Also the film's moral clashes pretty hard with Gaston considering that the film condemns him for being less of an butthole than the Beast.
>considering that the film condemns him for being less of an butthole than the Beast.
You gotta remember that Gaston was constantly jerked off by the village. He wasn't throwing people in dungeons because there was no reason to. Belle was the one person to not play along and that made him snap.
>Sleeping Beauty puts the audience to sleep
BRAVO DISNEY
Sleeping Beauty is so faithful to its name, an absolutely arresting parade of background eye candy that is nonetheless snore.
In that sense the new Cuphead series is its spiritual successor.
>not enjoying the fairy slapstick
>not enjoying chad Phillip slaying the b***h himself
>not enjoying the pure sex that is the background art in that movie
Which one has the biggest dick?
Brave, despite it being one of my favorites and Merida being top fricking tier.
She absolutely deserves an adventure that doesn't involve arranged marriage bullshit.
She got that by turning her mom into a bear.
Merida is one of the two Disney Princesses without a spin-off or sequel, the other one being Snow White, there's probably other stories they could tell with her if they wanted.
Before you ask, Tiana and Moana are both getting Disney+ series.
If you want to stretch it Snow White has The 7Ds (more of a riff on the same source material) and shares The Descendants with other properties.
That's a big ass stretch, 7D has nothing to do with the classic Disney version of Snow White, and Descendants is its own thing.
Merida is also one of the two Disney Princesses without a love interest, the other one being Moana.
I am Merida's love interest.
Bullshit shes a lesbian.
Bullhonkery she’s just scottish.
*bagpipes grows stronger*
>Merida is off wandering the woods trying to escape some political drama with the Clans back home
>doing her usually tomboy shit, shooting arrows at stuff and seething about having to wear dress
>suddenly hears what sounds like a fierce battle going on in the woods
>finds a young man with an ornate spear fighting a giant boar
>helps him drive off the beast (not kill, its Disney after all)
>finds out that he is an adventurer from a far off emerald isle
>he invites her on a quest to the fabled planes of Tír na nÓg to save his father
>misadventure and Celtic shenanigans ensue
>animation appreciation board
>(classic animation) is bad and boring durrrrrrrrrrr
Cringe.
Mulan/Pocahontas tossup
Snow White, Merida, or Pocahontas I'd say, for the worst one.
Best 6 (in no particular order):
>Aladdin, Tangled, Princess and the Frog, Mulan, Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast
Worst 6 (in no particular order):
>Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella, Moana, Pocahontas, Brave
...that's the common consensus for these movies, right?
>all three of the classics in "worst"
Frick off Eisnershill
most small children and pre-teens would put Moana in the Best 6 list
Yeah but it would be best 9 vs worst 3 instead
Sleeping Beauty is the best looking movie out of all of them. The art is incredible.
I love Mulan as a character but her movie is seriously dragged down by Mushu. Fricker is super annoying and unfunny. Little Mermaid also has a serious issue with Ariel being a c**t, having someone else solve her problems for her and never really learning her lesson. That and her relationship with her father not being properly developed.
Brave.
Brave and Pocahontas are both pretty lame. I'd ultimately have to give it to Brave, though, because at least Pocahontas is nice to look at. On the other hand, I like Merida way better than Pocahontas and think she deserves to be in a cooler movie.
I remember liking Brave and Moana the least
Definitely between Pocahontas and Brave for me. Pocahontas is boring but Brave is annoying. Princess and the Frog is an honorable mention for worst, but the songs, villain and visuals hold up too well.
Frog princess
It was also culture appropriation.
>It was also culture appropriation.
Moana was a disjointed mess, each scene felt like more of a episodic variety tv show, and they motivation was so scattered. It starts out a family dynamic of safety vs exploration, but fricking dropps that for magic monsters and maggufins. is she saving her island from blight? Or does she have wanderlust? Or is she returning a maguffin to a previously unknown God via demigod fetch quest. I was seriously expecting more metaphoric resolution from the tone in the first half, but Jesus it tone shifted hard, at the tikki momsters (which where pursuing them, but never reappeared) or the crab who is compelled to collect (but never reappears) and had such a shattered theme set.
Brave shit the bed at the witch scene, in several ways:
1 the witch as a comedy relief character failed next to her brothers, and the patriarchs
2 the deal was so fucing ambiguous (the witch can clearly only do bear magic) killing her mother was still within the boundaries of the agreement
3 who the frick accepts unknown food from a third party in the middle of a tense faction negotiation? Even a teen princess would know poison
4 again weird tone shift from serious and metaphoric. But at least the theme remaind her and her mother's relationship, God they could keep the transforming her own mother, just drop the fricking witch scene
re:Brave, this is why I've maintained that one way to make the movie much more interesting is to just completely ditch the bear transformation stuff, just make the potion fatal poison, and make the movie a dark comedy about Merida killing her mother (using the witch business as a way of distancing herself psychologically) and then panicking and hiding her involvement as everyone reacts to the murder.
>but never reappears
He does
I dare you all to name a memorable moment from Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, or Cinderella.
>Snow White
Easy, the mining song
>Cinderella
Fairy Godmother shenanigans
>Sleeping Beauty
Got me there
>Snow White
The woods sequence.
>Cinderella
The mice and birds making the dress.
>Sleeping Beauty
The prince's escape.
>Snow White
The Queen's death.
>Cinderella
The king outright going legit homicidal on the poor Duke, Tremaine being a b***h and tripping Cinderella.
>Sleeping Beauty
The drunk minstrel gets me every time.
>Snow White
The Dwarves in the mine, The Dwarves coming home to find Snow White for the first time, The Queen talking with her Magic Mirror, the Dwarves chasing after the queen and her death.
>Sleeping Beauty
Aurora singing in the woods, The Fairies making and arguing over Aurora's dress, pretty much any scene with Maleficent, Prince Phillip receiving the sword and shield from the Fairies, Phillip fighting and slaying Maleficent dragon.
>Cinderella
Cinderella waking up and singing with the animals, Cinderella finding and dressing Gus, Cinderella speaking with Lady Tremaine the first time, The mice going through the walls, Cinderella getting her gown from her Fairy Godmother, Cinderella dancing with the prince then running off at midnight, the whole glass slipper affair.
Go right ahead, and eat shit. Sorry all the latest brown girl movies aren't even half as memorable. At least you still have Aladdin, and Mulan.
Cinderella was the most entertaining out of all of them. Snow White had the dancing dwarves and the evil Queen moments. Sleeping Beauty was the snoozefest
>Snow White
Hi ho, hi ho, it's home from work we go.
>Cinderella
Bibbity bobbity boo sequence.
>Sleeping Beauty
Now shall you deal with me, oh Prince, and all the powers of HELL!
>Snow White
the mining song
>Sleeping Beauty
Prince Phillip slaying dragon Maleficent (who is using all the powers of hell) by throwing an enchanted sword into her heart.
>Cinderella
Either the vermin making the dress or the stepsisters tearing it apart.
t. Zoomer who thinks it's hip to hate on the Walt era of princess films just because
To be fair, Disney was also doing the same in the 90s.
>Snow White
The scary forest
>Sleeping Beauty
Dancing with the owl
>Cinderella
Mouse Team 6 getting the key
>Snow White
Snow scolding one of the critters for hiding dust under the carpet
>Sleeping Beauty
The fairies fighting over Aurora's dress color.
>Cinderella
The king flipping the frick out.
remind me again how Disney is allowed to claim ownership over a real native american woman, the rest of these are fairy tale figures but Pocahantes was a 10-yr old girl when she met the settlers and she was exposed to disease in england and died while being paraded around as a fundraising PR stunt
>how Disney is allowed to claim ownership over a real native american woman
They didn't? I believe they on their fictional version based on said real native american woman, not the actual concept of her, same with the other characters, Disney owns their versions, not the originals.
I wonder, if the government raised some money by auctioning everything in the public domain off, how much would Disney buy up?
>remind me again how Disney is allowed to claim ownership over a real native american woman
>the rest of these are fairy tale figures
https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/tolkien-cs-lewis-disney-snow-white-narnia-hobbit-dwarves
>To both Tolkien and Lewis, it seemed, Disney’s dwarves were a gross simplification of a concept they held as precious. “I think it grated on them that he was commercializing something that they considered almost sacrosanct,” says Trish Lambert, a Tolkien scholar and author of the essay, Snow White and Bilbo Baggins: Divergences and Convergences Between Disney and Tolkien. “Here you have a brash, American entrepreneur who had the audacity to go in and make money off of fairy tales.”
>Tolkien’s opinion of Disney didn’t get any better over the years. In a number of letters dated after his Snow White date with Lewis, Tolkien refers to Disney’s works as “vulgar.” Tolkien also believed that fairy tales had become hopelessly infantilized, noting in his 1947 essay On Fairy-Stories that “the association of children and fairy-stories is an accident of our domestic history.”
>Tolkien absolutely assmad
Kind of a funny thought.
Tolkien was a notoriously stuck-up person
One time a fan sent him a goblet that he had put a lot of work into and spent a fair bit of money to make, but he had carved in elvish the "one ring to ruin them all" poem on it, and it upset Tolkien, so he used the goblet as an ashtray.
> but he had carved in elvish the "one ring to ruin them all" poem on it, and it upset Tolkien, so he used the goblet as an ashtray.
was it written in elvish, or the black script of mordor?
Tolkein was notoriously superstitious around the black language he created, he treated it like it was the actual devil's tongue and cringed when it was spoken or written
if it was just elvish I could see that being something of a dickish move
Not sure actually. Probably the Black Speech though, all things considering.
Pretty confident it was the black language. Either way its less about Tolkein being a dick and more about him treating this stuff like it was Serious Business.
It still makes Tolkien a dick because instead of just giving it away to someone else or sending it back and saying he wasn't comfortable with it, he used it as an ashtray. Somebody spent all that hard time and work to make something that person thought Tolkien might enjoy only for Tolkien to trash it because of his own personal issues
reminder too that while they were good buds tolkien was also forever buttblasted that he converted lewis to the wrong kind of christianity (tolkien was catholic, lewis became anglican)
IDK being mad about being "exposed to disease" when the disease was literally just omnipresent is a bit of a stretch. They really wouldn't have known the differential in disease resistance at the time, not to mention even without the differential it was always an inherent risk even if you stayed in the same place your whole life and europeans often just started dying the moment they stepped off the boat to a foreign land as well. While there were native americans or even asians who traveled to europe and then died of contracted diseases there were also examples of native americans who returned from England alive and then walked up to the plymouth colony arrivals and welcomed them in perfect english, so it was a lot more of a roll of the dice than a death sentence.
Do you think Pocahontas knew where the Taj Mahal was?
The Taj Mahal wasn't built yet so probably not.
>Pocahontas was underage and died from a disease
>her love interest was a huge butthole
Oddly enough, Disney was developing that movie alongside Lion King. They expected it to be a huge hit because they were contacting actual native Americans for reference while the Lion King team got mocked for working on "Bambi in Africa". Funny how things turned out.
I haven't seen Brave (even though I have it downloaded somewhere), Princess and the Frog, or Moana, so I suspect it's one of them. Especially because I remember all three being negatively panned when they came out.
Most of the other ladies' movies are technically and visually impressive, and/or are a fun, thrilling story.
>Princess and the Frog
What was the issue with princess and the frog, to get it panned?
From what I remember:
Some said it was boring, and poorly paced. Some said it was racist, because of the voodoo villain, or because of something relating to Jim Crow, or because Tiana wasn't dark enough and/or was lightened in some scenes supposedly.
The real issue is that Tiana isn't the protagonist. Naveen is the protagonist while Tiana is the focal character, but Naveen isn't a particularly proactive protagonist and Tiana spends the film prodding and carrying him through the narrative. The plot of PatF really has nothing to do with Tiana's goals, she has no development in terms of character, and the whole film is essentially a woman having a very weird speedbump while trying to start her own business.
Pocahontas has some nice songs.
>she has no development in terms of character
They were trying to develop her character in terms of getting her to take it easy and appreciate what she has more, but I don't know if she actually changed at all by the end of the film.
The problem is that she's not stretching herself thin because she's a workaholic, she's actively trying to realize a life goal that requires a lot of dedication and hard work. And then the film throws a massive fricking curveball at her that requires more effort and work to overcome. If that was the moral they were aiming for they didn't just miss the mark, they were actively working against themselves.
tbh I was expecting all the money she was literally hiding under her bed to be a bit of leverage Dr Faciller would find and hold over her head, that she would have to discard for" love".
You totally missed the film then. Naveen and Tiana had what eachother needed.
Tiana was all work and no play, Naveen was all play and no work.
Naveen learns the reward of a little effort, and Tiana learns to lighten up and enjoy life beyond working to honor her father.
>a woman having a very weird speedbump while trying to start her own business
It's the animated version of pic related
Brave is the worst because Merida is actively a shitty and unlikable c**t. She pretends to be oppressed despite being a royal princess. Snow White was an oppressed princess who was forced to work like a maid. Merida is simply shit. And every problem in the film is her fault and she spends most of the movie denying that she's responsible.
And by the movie's ending? Merida gets her way and it's her mother who needs to change to please her spoiled brat c**t of a daughter. And it's disgusting this movie won the Oscar. Look I get that Oscars are trash, but the message Hollywood sent by praising this movie? Repulsive shit.
Inbred Scottish hands typed this
Anyone saying anything other than Pocahontas is either lying or hasn't watched it in a while.
I haven't watched Pocahontas at all, it's the one Disney Princess movie I haven't seen, this thread kinda makes me want to watch it so I can see how bad/boring it is.
Mulan is great you mook. Pocahontas is obviously worse.
kill me if I get Tiana
[kills you anyway]
It seems we are at an impasse. We can't all have princess Aurora. I don't feel like sharing anyhow so back off. She's mine
Lol, I get Ariel, so I win you frickers
absolutely pathetic tbh
if this post is aurora she's mine too
??
I'll take anyone but Pocahontas
Rolling for any of them
>Getting Ariel
and frick you too
I have a preference for Belle and Jasmine
Well Tiana ain't too bad either
I just want a blonde.
>not wanting a hard-working, goal-oriented woman who cooks
NGMI
Ariel=Jasmine>Rapunzel>Meridith> Mulan>Pocohantes>Belle=Black Frog Princess>Moana>Cinderella>Sleeping Beauty> Snow White
>snow white
>last place
you're only saying that because she's like 12
There's never been any official promotional Disney material released that actually states her age, but in early stages of development, her age was stated to be 14, while Florian's age was 18.
Nowadays, Disney usually portrays her older than that, like in the Ralph sequel.
It was a different time.
That's still less of an age gap than the one Rapunzel and Eugene have.
A more based time.
Jasmine=Aurora>Cinderella=Belle>Pocohantes>Rapunzel>Mulan=Ariel>Snow White>Meredith>Black frog Princess>Moana
Roll for best princess
lets go
Rolling for Belle
idc i just wanna see
Jasmine or Aurora
You get Mulan
Mulan is top tier.
KEEP ROLLIN ROLLIN ROLLIN ROLLIN
cmon fish pussy.
Who I get?
Ariel
Lucky
GOMEZ ADDAMS (Luiz Guzmán)
>The patriarch of the Addams Family, Wednesday's father, and a former student of Nevermore Academy.
JASMINJASMINEJASMINE
belle isn't so bad
rollerino
I'll take her then you gay.
Might as well.
Please be a white cutie. (Not Merida. Frick Merida)
rolling
Less go
Rollero
Jasmine > Ariel > Rapunzel > Belle > Aurora > Merida > Mulan > Cinderella > Tiana > Snow White > Moana > Pocahontas
What happens when someone gets quads? Also rolling for Mulan.
They kinda peaked at the first one, tbh.
I love her.
>that one comic that follows Snow White's POV and showed that she actually loved and admired the Evil Queen without actually knowing she was evil
>even as she's dying from the apple and realizes the hag the queen in disguise, she wonders what she did wrong for her to want to kill her
gimme injun gf
I would pay money to frick one of the Disney princess performers at Disney land.
Rolling for Fa Ping. Or cinderrella. God I’m so lonely I’d accept Pocahontas at this point.
I'm down for some brown. Or Belle.
Round
Mulan pls
Lets see...
I’ll be happy with anyone, except the lame one.
Belle or Cinderella please
Why is Brave ginger even counted as a princess when she's Pixar made?
Because Pixar is owned by Disney, and they wanted another redhead princess in the group I guess.
rollin
Pocahontas or Brave. I'm biased towards Pocahontas getting the spot though, at least Brave entertained me and I can actually tell you the plot. Pocahontas was that forgettable.
I didn't really care for Snow White.
I know it gets tons of praise for being an early animated success, but I don't connect with the plot or characters at all.
2nd worst is Brave. Merida cute tho.
Pocahontas. Seriously, even disneygays have hard time defending that.
What the frick? Why are people dumping on Pocahontas?
Good songs, hot girl, cute animals, love-to-hate villain.
But all of those things are mediocre by Disney's standards
easily one of the CGI ones.
Top 3 worst:
moana
the one of the black one
brave
>the one of the black one
stop baiting. Princess & the Frog was one of the last great Disney animated films. Beautiful animation, fun characters, great songs, and a memorable villain who is voiced by Keith David. Shit went downhill after that.
it's about black people and this is Cinemaphile
rapunzel was kino and so was gothel. her manipulating rapunzel makes me rock hard every time
why people forget Marian in these threads?
Furries not welcome
>that /ss/ scene with the rabbit kid
Real shame that this movie is only associated with furry shit. It's actually a pretty fun one to watch and the villain is on point.
ew
>Anna and Elsa for when
Pocahontas critics-wise was the worst of all of these.
It has one of the best Disney song, actually i'll say it's the best since unlike hellfire it makes soimen cry racism for showing the natives as flawed.
>soimen hate kino
which means they cannot be trusted!
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>it makes soimen cry racism for showing the natives as flawed.
Besides taking liberties with the source material, the movie is dragged down by unfunny slapstick, a one dimensional villain and Pocahontas almost killing everybody over white wiener.
Eilowny most likely would have taken the cake here if her movie was a tangible option
I thought the Black Cauldron was a good movie, I haven't seen it, but everyone talks about it like an underrated cult classic.
People here say Snow White but I’d argue that Sleeping Beauty is worse because other than Maleficent, the kings, and the fairies throughout the movie and the fight at the end it honestly is less consistent than Snow White with a heroine even less involved in the plot that is even more of a plot device. It’s hard carried by supporting characters. Cinderella, Pocahontas, and Brave are also either very bland for too many long stretches or are all over the place and the latter most is kinda a waste of a princess.
Tangled, while not even a bad movie by the opinionated metrics above, I also don’t care for but I can’t put my finger on why.
>Tangled, while not even a bad movie by the opinionated metrics above, I also don’t care for but I can’t put my finger on why.
Low and unnecessary stakes.
>Cinderella is literally a slave
>Snow White is an assassination target
>Aurora is the living dead and her sleep corrupts the land
Meanwhile Rapunzel is stuck in a tower with bed hair
and all 4 of them have hot stepmoms
Rapunzel is like Cinderella in that they're both trapped by abusive (step) parents, though Gothel is a manipulator while Lady Tremaine openly hates Cinderella's guts.
Again walk me through Cinderalla
Her mom died, and her dad remarried. Okay, but what happened to the dad i didn't see his ass, also the step sisters were from another guy, so did he die as well?
Also Cinderella is a nickname because she sleeps in the fireplace. Is Cinderella her actual name in the movie?
>but what happened to the dad i didn't see his ass
The movie does show him at the beginning, and explains that he died too, leaving Cinderella at the mercy of her Wicked Stepmother™.
>the step sisters were from another guy, so did he die as well?
Correct, a lot of dead parents in this story.
>Is Cinderella her actual name in the movie?
Yes, that part of the book didn't make it into the Disney version.
Damn just looking at that, by itself it looks it could take place in 100 dalmatians.
101 Dalmatians was set contemporaneously. Cinderella is fairly ambiguous as to when it was set but all the clothing has a distinct 19th century look (albeit filtered through Hollywood).
So if I go to Disneyland and call her Cinderella she won't slap the shit out of me Will Smith style? I always wondered if she would consider that rude.
Also, I don't know how "canon" this is, but pic related is the only image we have of Lady Tremaine's first husband, so I'll take it.
She killed him, I'm fricking sure of it.
The stepsisters aren't much older there than what they were when Cinderella's dad died. It's a wonder how she evaded being hanged.
He clumsily tied his shoe laces together and fell down the stairs.
And while we're in the topic of dead fathers, here's a fairly recent image of Snow White's father.
Is the stable boy an important character?
Maybe? I don't have the book, and there sadly isn't much interest out there to pirate books made for girls aged 6-8, so we might never know about all this exclusive Disney Princess lore.
I like how Ralph wrecks the Internet talks about dead moms, but not all the dead dads.
Which is bullshit Brave, tangled, The Princess and the Frog, and Mulan habe moms
Sleeping Beauty and Moana have the moms alive as well.
Snow white looks far better here
Snow White is meant to be like 13 in the original, so how old is she here? 5?
Also why is that horse looking at the King like that?
>Snow White is meant to be like 13 in the original
Actually 14 I believe.
Dr. Strange.
Look at that damn chin. There's no way Cinderella's dad married her for anything else but the money.
Cinderella's dad died when she was young, not long after marrying Lady Tremaine. Since she was widowed twice in quick succession, a lot of people think she knocked off both her husbands.
>It’s hard carried by supporting characters
I remember liking the 7 drawfs, but honestly i can't remember the others besides Happy, Grumpy, and Sleepy
For the record i looked them up
Doc, Bashful, Sneezy, and Dopey
I think that's why i like the smurfs, fun villagers in a fictional land whose name perfectly describes them.
The website had a bunch of fun facts
How the Seven Dwarfs Got Started
Snow White, which is also known as “Keeper of the Dwarfs” was originally published in 1812 by the Brothers Grimm. It was included in their first edition Grimm’s Fairy Tales collection.
The Grimms had a few different versions of the Snow White story and completed their final revision in 1854. In the original story, Snow White ate all the seven dwarfs food, drank some of their wine and tested all their beds until she fell asleep in one.
Ultimately the dwarfs found her and allowed her to stay with them in exchange for her cleaning their house! Quite a different story from the Walt Disney version where she cleaned the house first, before the dwarfs came home!
There’s a few other differences between the 2 stories but the biggest one is that in the Brothers Grimm tale, there were dwarfs but none of them had names.
>Snow White ate all the seven dwarfs food
>she ate the entire food supply meant to feed 7 burly dwarfs
Jesus Christ, what a fatass
>doubles their food supply just to have a maid
I've always thought Doc, Grumpy and Dopey to be the best dwarfs.
>with a heroine even less involved in the plot that is even more of a plot device
Snow White is absolutely centered about Snow, though. The entire conflict derails from the queen being jealous that Snow is considered the fairest of them all. This has to do with her personality, which is that she is pure of heart, innocent to a fault. She befriends wild animals because they see no bad intent on her, they help her with finding the dwarfs who open up to her after realizing that she is just an innocent little girl who wants what's best for them. The hunter spares her life because he doesn't have the guts to kill such an innocent person. The queen is only person rotten enough to cause her harm in the movie.
Basically, the movie is about Snow being too pure for this shitty world.
Here's my rankings from best to worst.
Belle > Rapunzel > Jasmine > Mulan > Tianna > Snow White > Ariel = Moana = Cinderella > Aurora >>>>> Pocahontas > Merida
>Belle the best
Maybe if the movie was longer, as it stands, I thought it was kinda rushed.
Anyone of that pic of them morphing into Power Rangers?
You mean the Zeo Ranger one? Anyone have those?
Honestly I would say Moana. That movie had so many pacing issues it ended up being really mediocre
You will cry when spanish becomes the first spoken language in usa
Pocahontas
It looks beautiful; but even the minority it's supposed to represent HATE that movie.
Aurora's is the worst. She only shows up for like 10 minutes. Then Cinderella. Altho classical and watched it billions of times, never enjoyed the cat/mouse scene except when they make the dress.
>Aurora's is the worst. She only shows up for like 10 minutes.
I can't help but imagine what Modern Disney's take on Sleeping Beauty would be, something along the lines of Tangled that take many creative liberties with the fairy tale and gives the main girl a lot more to do.
Like, maybe Aurora gets put to sleep at very beginning, and the film is about her travelling through various people's dreams looking for a way to break the curse and/or defeat Maleficent.
Modern Disney's take on Sleeping Beauty was Maleficent, where the straight white male king is the bad guy and the evil fairy is the good guy (and also doesn't turn into a cool-ass dragon with the powers of hell).
Maleficent was more like a live-action reboot/reinterpretation of the animated film, what I mean is how would a more modern Disney reinterpret the original fairy tale to give more personality to the female lead like they did in The Princess and the Frog or Tangled.
This, of course, would be in a world where Disney never made Sleeping Beauty way back then, and they only decided to make a film based on it very later on in their existence, so the final product would probably only be loosely based on the original fairy tale like those other aforementioned films.
Like, she would still fall asleep because that's kinda the whole point of her character, but they'd probably try do something with that so she feels more like an actual character, and less like a plot device.
The biggest complaints in jest so far is Aurora is acting like a brat running away from responsibility. A reimagining would incorporate her having an arc where she tries to become a political leader or some shit. Or checking her privileges and using her upcoming status to better the unfortunate. Or getting mad at her parents for robbing people's livelihood just for her sake. Maybe have the kingdom previously be a king of the textile industry and the townsfolk suffered and fell to poverty in 18 years. She already kinda had leadership plot in a straight-to-home dvd short
But would she still be Sleeping Beauty at that point?
She gets cursed eventually
I still think dream hopping powers would be cooler.
Worst movie, Moana. Defeinitely the weakest of all disney princess movies.
Worst part in a movie, probably a three way tie between Tiana, Belle and Moana
Brave, followed by Moana. Haven't seen any other shitty ones. I legit love Pocahontas for nostalgia reasons. My favorite's always gonna be Snow White, since it's my favorite Disney movie.
Well, I haven't seen Moana but I know Brave sucks.
Well, Pocahontas isn't bad in any sort of film making sense... But the fact that it's an extremely warped version of real world events that were pretty damn depressing and fricked up makes it... A little awkward to watch once you know that.
Could be worse
Could be Anastasia
I mean, that's pretty fricked up too but I'm not sure a pre-merger FOX movie really counts as a Disney production.
Every Disney film has a warped version of reality I don't see how Pocahontas stands out in that regard.
Sure we have some historical record of her life, but it's not like we've got every detail. How she was thinking and feeling. Who said what to whom.
A Disney Pocahontas film was always going to have quasi-intelligent animals and gay songs. Does it really matter if some of the character interaction is altered in service of the plot? Its a fictionalized story, not a biographic retelling.
Well, see the problems is that in something like The Princess and the Frog all the characters are fictional and so are the events, it's really just the setting of 1920's Louisiana that is warped.
But the fact that Pocahontas, John Smith, John Ratcliffe and Powhatan were all real people makes the presentation of it all a bit uncomfortable. Had the movie just been about entirely fictional characters and had it featured a plot that can't even be vaguely seen as being based on real event, this wouldn't have been a problem.
>featured a plot that can't even be vaguely seen as being based on real event
So exactly what the movie had? It's now agreed upon by historians that John Smith made up the entire incident, and I don't remember the part where Jamestown turned on Ratcliffe for being too agreeable to the natives or when the Powhatan captured him under a false flag of parlay then tortured him to death.
>Its a fictionalized story, not a biographic retelling.
Your average burger looks at documentaries and historical comedy/dramas and sees them as historical biography or biopic unless there's literal magic or dragons in them. Sometimes, even if there's magic and dragons.
how does the one merida gay have so many unique pictures of Merida?
>3. Pocahontas
Really weak Disney princess but I like the male characters too much and the music to call it bad. Amazingly offensive retelling of history. Very beautiful for how bland it is.
>2. Moana
It's just 3D Pocahontas for zoomers with a terrible twist villain. Maui is the only thing that's okay.
>1, Brave
Just really bad. Butchered script stolen from original writer. Pixar can't make a Disney princess character and doesn't understand the formula
Just thought I'd chime in to let you all know that I love this cute Scottish tomboy very much and that her haters aren't people.
people who post collages always have bad taste
Nah.
I said my piece anon
Only if they post collages of potatoes.
Collages of perfection, however, are excellent taste.
Elsa wouldn't want you to be so rude. Why can't we be friends?
Okay, fine.
I like Merida, I just don't like her movie.
I'm quite fond of both.
She's literally the villain in her own movie.
Even if that were true, so what?
Being forced to breed this creatura because of his dumb luck would have done just as much damage to the kingdom as a civil war.
Probably Moana. Weakest plot/story
Objectively, Brave is the worst film. I mean, it's 2 completely unrelated films frankensteined together and it really shows.
I hate to agree. Best Princess because its different, but yeah, that story did her no favors. One of these days I would love to have a more mature "Brave" that really captures what make Merida so great.
It doesn't have to be "mature", just actually good, it would still be a Disney Princess movie.
which one would be the best in bed and the worst
brave was pretty shit
I just realized I've never watched pocahontas
I love that Aurora is always just one squint away from b***h face.
My goodness, Snow is just too perfect.
Take the snowpill, anon. You will never find a purer girl in fiction.
You now remember the time hollywood made a grimdark Snow White movie
When will Disney announce the live-action Pocahontas and Anastasia films?
And also why didn't Disney turn Anastasia into an official Disney princess?
Because Anastasia is an acquisition, she wasn't made by a disney studio even though they own her now.
Because no one likes russians
Hey now, there's a few likable russians like Zangief.
Covid? Maybe when it ends she will have her Coronation.
I don't think so, Moana didn't get a coronation (sure, she isn't an actual princess, but her father is the chief, so it's close enough), she just got slowly integrated in merch and the site, if they wanted Anastasia as a princess, they would've done it by now.
I honestly don't ever see Anastasia becoming an official Disney Princess, she wasn't even made by Disney, just acquired.
All the ones who got sequels. Sequels were hideous
Sleeping Beauty
Either Brave or Tangled. Both were awful. Pocahontas is the worse as far as 2D goes.
Brave. Never seen Moana so maybe that.
Beauty and the Beast fricking blows ass too but I know the general public will never stop jerking it off.
From worst to best:
Merida
Pocahondas
Moana
Aurora
Tiana
Cinderella
Ariel
Snow White
Rapunzel
Mulan
Jasmine
Bell
NGL, best 4-2 was quite hard deciding what order.
Brave, i thought she was going to be Boudicca or some princess helping braveheart, what a letdown...she only had her period
I've never seen Pocahontas but i think it's bland
Brave was SHOCKINGLY bad. It was the first hard evidence that Pixar had lost it.
Brave
Brave but I'm biased because I'm Scottish so you can imagine how hard those hopes came crashing down.
I'm glad that didn't happen to me with and Emperor's New Groove.
Did you want Kingdom of the Sun, though?
Brave was fricking horrible, no contest. Easily, EASILY the worst.
How is it worse than Moana?
NTA but Moana was fun. A big thing is that Brave wasn't what it advertised at all. As another anon said earlier, it's very obvious that the two directors were playing tug-of-war.
>All this seething ten years later
lol
I love Belle so much it hurts anons