ITSV feels more complete and less derivative.
ATSV has several pacing issues and the final minutes drags too much. ATSV introduced a lot of cool characters tho, The Spot is great, but the movie prefers to focus on Miguel instead. He's okya, but The Spot was so good.
i miss Peni, Noir and Pork, but Hobie and Pavitr are cool.
Anyways, ITSV is better, but by virtue it's a complete act instead of just a half of an entire story as ATSV.
I hope the producers/directors just take their time and let beyond the spider verse cook to completion. So there’s so many differences between the digital and theatrical versions that it’s not even funny. And the fricking consoomers are slurping it all up by just saying >Le multiverse bro!1!1!
everything from dialogue, to which characters deliver certain lines, to even the freakin details on the character model
home release bizarro miles has a different jaw line vs the movie release
1st one, not even close. The second one was utter plot hole ridden trash with the directors outright admitting to pushing an agenda and wanting to do some kind of dumb "frick you" to people complaining about Miles when almost everyone loved him in the first movie.
I like both, both are very good. Second one depends on the second half landing the ending to be perfect though and the first one was already good as is.
Both were shallow formulaic romps riddled with inconsistencies and plot holes with no real themes or values beyond glorifying consumer culture, they are held up entirely by the novelty of the visuals
Knowing that the directors admitted the movies only exist to deconstruct the IP makes me hesitant to recommend them despite the animation
Into the Spider-verse, by far. I really liked that one, and Miles actually felt like a fun character. It also had much better villains, the Prowler's theme is great. Across the Spider-Verse started pretty strong, and the Spot was fun when he was just a bumbling goof, but the insanely forced romance and will-they-won't-they, as well as character assassination of every Spiderman that isn't Miles was terrible. Also, the plot got really, really stupid.
This film resolved nothing. Usually these kinds of films like ESB conclude their own stories even if the characters lose. It doesn’t just stop half way through
I really hate that it’s a big 2 hour setup for the next movie. Gwen seems to have a better family drama than Miles. It almost feels like her movie rather than Miles's movie at times. She takes up the first 20 minutes of the film which is usually the time it takes to setup a film. They don't even get across a spiderverse (Gwen and Miles universes are virtually the same except minor differences) until 1 hour in. I would’ve expected 30-40 minutes in since it was a 2 hour movie, but half the movie is a huge time to setup the film.
I agree Gwen worked well. Movie was great for the first half. Seemed like it was on pace to be better than the first one
But everything after they go to council of spiderman world is PAINFUL. I was so bored at that point
But after they go to the spider-society there's there's only like 15 minutes of movie left and it's just some Peter B fluff, Gwen reconciling with her father, getting caught by Miles' parents and realizing Miles is in the wrong universe.
Having an Empire Strikes Back ending doesn't bother me
>But after they go to the spider-society there's there's only like 15 minutes of movie lef
Nta but I just checked and the movie has about an hour left when Miles enters Spider society. Half the movie is about it and I didn't even counter that side venture of Indian Spider-Man which is also just as moronic.
>Having an Empire Strikes Back ending doesn't bother me
Enough with this comparison because the morons like you spouting it have no fricking idea what you're talking about. The Empire Strikes Back still ends with multiple character arcs completing themselves and the main plotline of the film having a resolution even if the main characters have lost. Stop acting like spiderverse which leaves its main conflict unresolved is anything like the greatest sequel ever made.
Literally not a single thing about Gwen worked well >I'm a c**t because well I just am okay >I killed my best friend but I don't deserve to be brought in by the police for it >my dad the police officer is wrong for trying to do his job because he should make an exception for his daughter >I'm just going to bail on my universe permanently who cares about my supervillains >I toootally love that random guy I met for a day just as much as my Peter who I've known for years >he's just so special and unique and like me, like all these other thousands of Spider-Men I met >but also I'm going to spend a year fricking random Spider-Men instead of going to see him >and then I'm not going to tell him his dad is probably going to die and he isn't allowed to stop it even when I meet the dad >and then I'm going to stop him from saving people because I'm in a cult that does that now >also growth? who needs that, my dad has abandoned his career and admitted he was in the wrong the whole time and I was in the right and I get rewarded for it yay
She somehow managed to be a worse Gwen Stacy than the Raimi one which is a real feat of shit writing
Gwen's c-plot with her dad was completely unnecessary and could've been cut out entirely. That is the only plot line to finish by the end, and it held no bearing on the plot.
Into the spiderverse doesn't literally make every spiderman a murderous psychopath just to elivate Miled so of course it's better.
Also doesn't have blatant political propaganda shoved in it.
>WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LE GOOD GUYS!
So she was okay with having COUNTLESS people killed including her own father in the months Miles wasn't there but now it suddenly dawns to Gwen that what they doing isn't what heroes do because she got kicked out of the cult? Great job you guys. Totally not character assassiation of every Spider-Man. Guess all you have to show people is a sad little face uwu when Gwen calls them morons.
>every Spider-Man in the council had their "uncle Ben" event >still learned nothing about responsibility and not standing by when you have the opportunity to help >they need the holy morality of the black Spider-Man to teach them that and guide them towards heroism
Letting Californians write was a mistake
You mean rules like not killing innocent people or letting them die? Yeah. These guys should have read at least Amazing Fantasy 15 before making Across the Memeverse
Funny given that it only exists to conform the Spider-Man IP to societal norms and unquestioned dogmas imposed by Twitter
It's also funny that a plot like that would usually have the rebel character discard the identity of the authoritative society to make his own, whereas Miles insists on being Spider-Man even when he gets told he shouldn't have been one and that being Spider-Man will get his dad killed by fate, real cognitive dissonance going on there
>It's also funny that a plot like that would usually have the rebel character discard the identity of the authoritative society to make his own
Hobie literally does that
Hobie is literally a Spider-Man doing multiverse janitor work and letting people die for a year+ before rebelling, the real homie is Miles-42. Everything about ATSV leans into Miles-1610 becoming a similar figure to Prowler-Miles (who has his own identity) yet the opposite will happen.
I think the next movie's point is gonna be that you don't need Spider-Man to be a hero since Miles-Prowler will do all what the titular character does without the bite. That's why it's called Beyond the Spiderverse since they're moving on from him.
Yes, that's what logic and common sense would imply, yet it will make Miles the Spider-Mannest Spider-Man of all and probably make Miles-42 into one as well.
This movie series had strong doublethink moments multiple times so far and I don't see why that would change now, everything about ITSV leaned into Miles becoming his own person and making his own identity like in every "filling great shoes" movie, yet it stresses how important it is for Miles to be Spider-Man and even how he's "being uniquely himself" and "doing his own thing" when you can see the literal opposite is happening with your own eyes.
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I think the worse implication is that Miles is just naturally a hero compared to Peter Parker who needs a Spider-bite and a canon to follow to be one.
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Yeah that's terrible as well, it comes from adapting the shitty Spider-Gwen origin with Lizard Pete and nothing to change it while creating a new alt scenario for Miles where he becomes a vigilante even with no bite.
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Not only that but Peter B argues for letting his uncle die to become a hero in Across the Spider-Verse. Same with every single one of these shitters in the spider society who agree with that notion
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Oh yeah the whole canon events contrivance was stupid and invented only so Miles could look good and special for doing what any Spider-Man would've done
ITSV focused on the Miles and Peter student/mentor relationship that was a lot more compelling then the romance with Gwen. She's a dull character with a stupid haircut.
Spider-Man 2 had the pizza scene so that
ITSV feels more complete and less derivative.
ATSV has several pacing issues and the final minutes drags too much. ATSV introduced a lot of cool characters tho, The Spot is great, but the movie prefers to focus on Miguel instead. He's okya, but The Spot was so good.
i miss Peni, Noir and Pork, but Hobie and Pavitr are cool.
Anyways, ITSV is better, but by virtue it's a complete act instead of just a half of an entire story as ATSV.
>i miss Peni, Noir and Pork, but Hobie and Pavitr are cool.
Personally I prefer Pavitr and Hobie. They had more chemistry and more interactions with Gwen and Miles and the four of them felt more like a unit.
You speak for a lot of people, me included.
well one of them is a complete movie so it's obvious
I hope the producers/directors just take their time and let beyond the spider verse cook to completion. So there’s so many differences between the digital and theatrical versions that it’s not even funny. And the fricking consoomers are slurping it all up by just saying >Le multiverse bro!1!1!
What are those differences?
everything from dialogue, to which characters deliver certain lines, to even the freakin details on the character model
home release bizarro miles has a different jaw line vs the movie release
show me
I liked both. They're not perfect movies but they are fun to watch.
The one with an actual ending. ATSV is a 2hr ride for a third act that never comes
Neither
The first one since it felt complete.
No Way Home
ok
First one by a country mile. The sequel only has the visuals going for it.
1st one, not even close. The second one was utter plot hole ridden trash with the directors outright admitting to pushing an agenda and wanting to do some kind of dumb "frick you" to people complaining about Miles when almost everyone loved him in the first movie.
I like both, both are very good. Second one depends on the second half landing the ending to be perfect though and the first one was already good as is.
Both were shallow formulaic romps riddled with inconsistencies and plot holes with no real themes or values beyond glorifying consumer culture, they are held up entirely by the novelty of the visuals
Knowing that the directors admitted the movies only exist to deconstruct the IP makes me hesitant to recommend them despite the animation
Into the Spider-verse, by far. I really liked that one, and Miles actually felt like a fun character. It also had much better villains, the Prowler's theme is great. Across the Spider-Verse started pretty strong, and the Spot was fun when he was just a bumbling goof, but the insanely forced romance and will-they-won't-they, as well as character assassination of every Spiderman that isn't Miles was terrible. Also, the plot got really, really stupid.
The second Memeverse is the worst Spider-Man movie. What a shit year for Spider-Man
ATSV has terrible pacing and plot structure, along with no third act, so ITSV
this. being a part 1 isn't an excuse to not have an ending.
This film resolved nothing. Usually these kinds of films like ESB conclude their own stories even if the characters lose. It doesn’t just stop half way through
I really hate that it’s a big 2 hour setup for the next movie. Gwen seems to have a better family drama than Miles. It almost feels like her movie rather than Miles's movie at times. She takes up the first 20 minutes of the film which is usually the time it takes to setup a film. They don't even get across a spiderverse (Gwen and Miles universes are virtually the same except minor differences) until 1 hour in. I would’ve expected 30-40 minutes in since it was a 2 hour movie, but half the movie is a huge time to setup the film.
ATSV for me, Gwen is a great protagonist.
Anon just because you want to frick her doesn't mean she's a great character
I agree Gwen worked well. Movie was great for the first half. Seemed like it was on pace to be better than the first one
But everything after they go to council of spiderman world is PAINFUL. I was so bored at that point
But after they go to the spider-society there's there's only like 15 minutes of movie left and it's just some Peter B fluff, Gwen reconciling with her father, getting caught by Miles' parents and realizing Miles is in the wrong universe.
Having an Empire Strikes Back ending doesn't bother me
>But after they go to the spider-society there's there's only like 15 minutes of movie lef
Nta but I just checked and the movie has about an hour left when Miles enters Spider society. Half the movie is about it and I didn't even counter that side venture of Indian Spider-Man which is also just as moronic.
>Having an Empire Strikes Back ending doesn't bother me
Enough with this comparison because the morons like you spouting it have no fricking idea what you're talking about. The Empire Strikes Back still ends with multiple character arcs completing themselves and the main plotline of the film having a resolution even if the main characters have lost. Stop acting like spiderverse which leaves its main conflict unresolved is anything like the greatest sequel ever made.
It's just a cultural point of reference bro
> anything like the greatest sequel ever made
We're not talking about Evil Dead 2 or Paddington 2 though
The comparison is still moot because ATSV doesn't have an ending.
You haven’t seen empire strikes back
He hasn't watched AtSV either since he thinks the spider society shit only makes up 15 minutes of the film
Literally not a single thing about Gwen worked well
>I'm a c**t because well I just am okay
>I killed my best friend but I don't deserve to be brought in by the police for it
>my dad the police officer is wrong for trying to do his job because he should make an exception for his daughter
>I'm just going to bail on my universe permanently who cares about my supervillains
>I toootally love that random guy I met for a day just as much as my Peter who I've known for years
>he's just so special and unique and like me, like all these other thousands of Spider-Men I met
>but also I'm going to spend a year fricking random Spider-Men instead of going to see him
>and then I'm not going to tell him his dad is probably going to die and he isn't allowed to stop it even when I meet the dad
>and then I'm going to stop him from saving people because I'm in a cult that does that now
>also growth? who needs that, my dad has abandoned his career and admitted he was in the wrong the whole time and I was in the right and I get rewarded for it yay
She somehow managed to be a worse Gwen Stacy than the Raimi one which is a real feat of shit writing
Gwen's c-plot with her dad was completely unnecessary and could've been cut out entirely. That is the only plot line to finish by the end, and it held no bearing on the plot.
Into the spiderverse doesn't literally make every spiderman a murderous psychopath just to elivate Miled so of course it's better.
Also doesn't have blatant political propaganda shoved in it.
They both star Black folk so none
Why are you like this?
I'm a virgin
>WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LE GOOD GUYS!
So she was okay with having COUNTLESS people killed including her own father in the months Miles wasn't there but now it suddenly dawns to Gwen that what they doing isn't what heroes do because she got kicked out of the cult? Great job you guys. Totally not character assassiation of every Spider-Man. Guess all you have to show people is a sad little face uwu when Gwen calls them morons.
>every Spider-Man in the council had their "uncle Ben" event
>still learned nothing about responsibility and not standing by when you have the opportunity to help
>they need the holy morality of the black Spider-Man to teach them that and guide them towards heroism
Letting Californians write was a mistake
Maybe it's saying something about how blind acceptance off societal norms and unquestioned authority can be harmful
It's also a jab at a section of the fanbase.
Everyone already got that. It doesn't make sense with Spider-Man since he isn't a defeatist b***h like the Flash or most other capes.
616 Spider-Man is one of the biggest rulescucks in existance though
You mean rules like not killing innocent people or letting them die? Yeah. These guys should have read at least Amazing Fantasy 15 before making Across the Memeverse
Funny given that it only exists to conform the Spider-Man IP to societal norms and unquestioned dogmas imposed by Twitter
It's also funny that a plot like that would usually have the rebel character discard the identity of the authoritative society to make his own, whereas Miles insists on being Spider-Man even when he gets told he shouldn't have been one and that being Spider-Man will get his dad killed by fate, real cognitive dissonance going on there
>It's also funny that a plot like that would usually have the rebel character discard the identity of the authoritative society to make his own
Hobie literally does that
It makes no sense that Hobie got into that cult in the first place. Same for every single Peter Parker.
Hobie is literally a Spider-Man doing multiverse janitor work and letting people die for a year+ before rebelling, the real homie is Miles-42. Everything about ATSV leans into Miles-1610 becoming a similar figure to Prowler-Miles (who has his own identity) yet the opposite will happen.
I think the next movie's point is gonna be that you don't need Spider-Man to be a hero since Miles-Prowler will do all what the titular character does without the bite. That's why it's called Beyond the Spiderverse since they're moving on from him.
Yes, that's what logic and common sense would imply, yet it will make Miles the Spider-Mannest Spider-Man of all and probably make Miles-42 into one as well.
This movie series had strong doublethink moments multiple times so far and I don't see why that would change now, everything about ITSV leaned into Miles becoming his own person and making his own identity like in every "filling great shoes" movie, yet it stresses how important it is for Miles to be Spider-Man and even how he's "being uniquely himself" and "doing his own thing" when you can see the literal opposite is happening with your own eyes.
I think the worse implication is that Miles is just naturally a hero compared to Peter Parker who needs a Spider-bite and a canon to follow to be one.
Yeah that's terrible as well, it comes from adapting the shitty Spider-Gwen origin with Lizard Pete and nothing to change it while creating a new alt scenario for Miles where he becomes a vigilante even with no bite.
Not only that but Peter B argues for letting his uncle die to become a hero in Across the Spider-Verse. Same with every single one of these shitters in the spider society who agree with that notion
Oh yeah the whole canon events contrivance was stupid and invented only so Miles could look good and special for doing what any Spider-Man would've done
ITSV focused on the Miles and Peter student/mentor relationship that was a lot more compelling then the romance with Gwen. She's a dull character with a stupid haircut.
His nose is so fricking big what the frick, disgusting