Haven't seen any of the latest ones so I dunno. There's enough capeshit threads for you to take that up in those.
Hill House, by a large margin. But Bly Manor was alright.
I like Bly Manor a lot more. I think it was easier to connect with the characters in that one and I preferred the lore in that story way more than what was going on with Hill House.
It’s similar to the second season of Euphoria where it’s like..that’s what took them 3 years in between seasons? It just didn’t live up to the hype the first season generated. The expectations were insanely high the wait made them higher and it just couldn’t live up to them.
I liked the reveal as well. Mostly I liked the lead up with her fate before that. I still don't get how that works in the show's timeline however. It's not consistent with anything else that's going on.
It's the only spirit with some sort of time travel ability. As a child she could see it 20yrs before it would have existed. The reveal honestly doesn't make any sense. Meanwhile the one that the twin brother kept seeing had died there years prior which does make sense.
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I thought that like Theo seeing things via touch, Nell had a similar but different psychic ability that allowed her to kind of psychically see her own fate.
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Didn't all of them had some sort of "connection"? They show the older sister talking in her sleep about things that are happening or some shit like that. And the junkie feels his neck or something when the younger sister ropes. I don't remember the older brother doing anything though, he was just an butthole
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Everyone else's connections had to do with the past and present. Only the twin sister had some weird connection to the future. Having her relive moments from her life just as she passes is kino but having her past selves see her seeing those moments does not.
Is disagree, it tied all the weird stuff into one big picture. I remember being pretty wrecked by it.
It's cool on screen but narratively it doesn't make any sense. Not unless the house was just trolling her for her whole life to force her towards that fate. That would have been a cool reasoning behind it but we know that's not the case because when the father speaks to the wife's spirit while in the house and he's telling her how he knows her spirit has been following him his whole life the wife corrects him and says the house doesn't work that way.
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What about when in the end the house is apparently some haven for lost souls instead of Hell on Earth as they have been implying the whole fricking season
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The implication is that the house is only scary to the living. Once they become ghosts they seem to just accept their fate and new habitat. My issue with the finale was that one ghost chick that was trying to tempt the father before his wife stepped in and she told the wife she was only tempting him because it gets lonely. Then at the very end they reveal there's like 100+ ghosts living there.
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Is disagree, it tied all the weird stuff into one big picture. I remember being pretty wrecked by it.
This and the scene where the other sister bought drugs for her brother finally made me drop the show. It's like the writer was an autistic 13 year old. Like if you want to have a scene where a hot white woman is aggressively ejecting her spaghetti over a guy the nanosecond she lays eyes on him, you have to make him at least above average looking. It probably would have been a great show if it had competent writing, which unfortunately barely exists anymore.
If watching a woman who looks like a model experience love at first sight over a 4/10 male nurse doesn't ruin your suspension of disbelief, you are a projecting autismo. I don't know how anyone besides underage girls can enjoy this Netflix slop. No idea why they spend millions on shows but cut corners by hiring CW-tier writers with laughable credentials.
She's even more ethereal in motion. I was captivated while watching HoHH, images dont do her justice. Also the mother is arguably more beautiful. The series is kino tbh. On the other hand I could not get on with bly Manor, i was cringing imminently into the first ep. No idea why, I was gutted as I was looking forward to it coming out. Maybe it's because I'm British and find high budget British or American made British tv very hard to watch sometimes.
It was disappointed the second I found out that’s what the second season would be an adaptation of. It’s not a very scary or great story to begin with. Rose Red would’ve been better.
That's fine but you get that you can't actually criticize something without having consumed it, right? Sorry for my demeanor, it's my first day on Cinemaphile
Hill house was better I thought. As someone with struggling younger siblings always getting into adult mischief I could really feel their pain. The ghosts were really cool too.
First one. But it's a character drama with spooky things in the background. Absolutely top shelf set/camera work. Absolutely mid to low mid tier writing.
I got about 3 episodes into the hill house and realized it was absolute trash. Don't know what took me so long. All the problems are evident in the first 10 minutes.
His new show should be coming out soon. The description is >A contemporary horror series based on multiple works by Edgar Allan Poe
Could be interesting
I didn't even watch it once I heard it's an anthology loosely connected by people telling ghost stories. A glorified Are You Afraid of the Dark? basically.
Not to mention there were literally 0 car races or gangster rap. Wtf Mike?
It’s not quite an anthology. The cast are all teens with cancer living in a spooky hospice house where they tell spooky stories (only semi decent thing in the show) and spooky things also happen. It was a poorly acted slog to get through. Not worth watching.
I didn't know it existed even. Wasn't gonna watch it anyway, even If i knew about it, unless everyone agreed it's excellent and on par with Hill House or something.
Kate Siegel is perfect as Theo, carried by the writing for Erin, and mostly misused in all the other roles he puts her in. She's terrible in Hush but Hush is also a fairly lame Blumhouse cashgrab.
Unpopular opinion but I think Hill House has a very weak second half. The show goes down hill immediately following the funeral parlour episode.
Midnight Mass also fumbles in the last couple episodes where it becomes a poor man's version of 30 Days of Night but before that its' excellent.
Bly Manor is more consistent and I think a lot of the reason people don't like it is because it's not a good horror story. It's 100% a romance pretending to be a horror show.
If I had to rate them it would probably be
Midnight Mass > Bly Manor > Hill House
>It's 100% a romance pretending to be a horror show.
I hate this meme. >no sign of romance at all through 90% of the show >suddenly theyre in love in the last episode >it was a romance all along you guys
I literally didn't care. No one watches a horror show for the lesbian romance subplot.
The only 2 great episodes of HH are up there with the greatest episodes of any show and MM delivered on the promise of being a vampire flick with a serious tone so there is no problem with that.
I don't rank them but i do like two more than the other.
>I think a lot of the reason people don't like it is because it's not a good horror story. It's 100% a romance pretending to be a horror show.
The romance simply sucks ass.
Jamie is a stock manic pixie dream dyke that is so fricking dull she literally describes her self to Dani as having no friends or interests outside her work.
Dani's characterization is centered around a plot point that gets dropped and never brought up again after she gets some pussy. The only insights we get about her as a person for the majority of the show is her shame and guilt about about being closeted. Once she gets with Jamie she has no problems or hangups about being with a woman and is completely self confident.
There's no examination of how she used her fiance who supposedly loved platonically as a beard for YEARS and she doesn't seem to care about him at all after getting a girlfriend. It comes across like she doesn't actually give a shit about her ex as a person beyond his utility to her and Flanagan avoided subject matter that would make his main character unsympathetic.
A good comparison would be Michelle Williams character in Brokeback Mountain: it's supposed to be tragic that societal pressures keep the gay lovers away, but it doesn't shy away from showing that Heath Ledger's own personal decision to use his wife as a cover is cruel and abusive towards her regardless of the position society puts him in. Jamie's ex is used as a visual metaphor for her sexual hangups and nothing more, which makes her come across as a self centered butthole.
hill house is amazing. It gets even better on a rewatch, when you kinda ignore the spooks and the mystery.
The funeral episode is one of the best episodes of any tv show ever.
The AA meeting stuff is the best stuff in the show.
And drawing parallels between alcoholism and vampirism is a clever idea.
I don't know what you'd get out of the show if you completely cut Riley tbh.
I just wish he wasn't just a generic grizzled white male protagoniat.protagonist. I kept seeing him as the crippled guy from Avatar. Should have been more of a season 1 Jesse type
everything mike makes is in some way about him being a catholic recovering alcoholic, midnight mass being the peak.
the serenity prayer is the perfect bridge between father paul the believer and riley the unbeliever, the traditional "catholic atheist". culturally religious wisdom with secular value, which Alcoholics Anonymous embodies as an institution. religion as a practical tool. and in terms of screenwriting, characters accepting "the courage to change the things they can" is perfect impetus for action.
Hill hHuse by a country mile.
It's more cohesive.
the whole "Bly Manor is actually a love story!" ... hardly. Love is a connecting tissue between various character pairs but it doesn't fit into some overall theme.
Also all the ghost lore felt ham-fisted and random.
I liked parts of it though.
Bly had some interesting concepts like the faces of the ghosts disappearing as they became more lost to time, but there were no real standout moments in the season
>Love is a connecting tissue between various character pairs but it doesn't fit into some overall theme.
Of course it fits. >The whole reason the original ghost was there was because she removed to move in order to remain with her daughter >The driver tricks the teacher to staying because he figures out that you need a loved one to keep your mind in tact >the governess automatically accepts that ghosts are real because of her own experience with holding onto the spirit of her fiancé >her fiancé was only able to move on once she destroyed his glasses, which his mother could never do because she loved her boy so much
I like them both the same, but I never thought Bly Manor was a love story, I thought it was a ghost story but not necessarily a supernatural chiller, ie, it was a story about ghosts.
I'm really surprised most people seem to prefer Hill House to Bly Manor. The child actors in Bly Manor were incredibly good at being creepy and carried the intrigue in the first half, and then it ended with two amazing episodes. The concept of ghosts being stuck haunting places and withering away over time was awesome and spooky.
On the other hand I wasn't too impressed with anything I saw in Hill House. I also really disliked the fact the hanged girl apparently time traveled to spook herself in the past for some reason. Seemed like a dumb twist for no reason. Same with the shapeshifting room. I think it started out alright, but fizzled out in the end.
idk never saw them
What do you think of the latest Marvel and/or Disney movie?
Haven't seen any of the latest ones so I dunno. There's enough capeshit threads for you to take that up in those.
I like Bly Manor a lot more. I think it was easier to connect with the characters in that one and I preferred the lore in that story way more than what was going on with Hill House.
Hill House, by a large margin. But Bly Manor was alright.
Hill House without a doubt. Bly Manor is actually pretty bad.
It’s similar to the second season of Euphoria where it’s like..that’s what took them 3 years in between seasons? It just didn’t live up to the hype the first season generated. The expectations were insanely high the wait made them higher and it just couldn’t live up to them.
They had a perfect source material but had to frick it up with those subplots.
I can agree with this, but I also think Midnight Mass and Hill House are just as good
HH was the True Detective of horror shows. BM is a AHS revamp without the edge.
What stood out to you with Hill House?
The bent neck lady reveal on the first watch dropped my jaw. Masterfully done.
I liked the reveal as well. Mostly I liked the lead up with her fate before that. I still don't get how that works in the show's timeline however. It's not consistent with anything else that's going on.
I was so emotionally invested in her fate that i never noticed any inconsistency in the story. Could you mention something a little more specific?
It's the only spirit with some sort of time travel ability. As a child she could see it 20yrs before it would have existed. The reveal honestly doesn't make any sense. Meanwhile the one that the twin brother kept seeing had died there years prior which does make sense.
I thought that like Theo seeing things via touch, Nell had a similar but different psychic ability that allowed her to kind of psychically see her own fate.
Didn't all of them had some sort of "connection"? They show the older sister talking in her sleep about things that are happening or some shit like that. And the junkie feels his neck or something when the younger sister ropes. I don't remember the older brother doing anything though, he was just an butthole
Everyone else's connections had to do with the past and present. Only the twin sister had some weird connection to the future. Having her relive moments from her life just as she passes is kino but having her past selves see her seeing those moments does not.
It's cool on screen but narratively it doesn't make any sense. Not unless the house was just trolling her for her whole life to force her towards that fate. That would have been a cool reasoning behind it but we know that's not the case because when the father speaks to the wife's spirit while in the house and he's telling her how he knows her spirit has been following him his whole life the wife corrects him and says the house doesn't work that way.
What about when in the end the house is apparently some haven for lost souls instead of Hell on Earth as they have been implying the whole fricking season
The implication is that the house is only scary to the living. Once they become ghosts they seem to just accept their fate and new habitat. My issue with the finale was that one ghost chick that was trying to tempt the father before his wife stepped in and she told the wife she was only tempting him because it gets lonely. Then at the very end they reveal there's like 100+ ghosts living there.
Is disagree, it tied all the weird stuff into one big picture. I remember being pretty wrecked by it.
This and the scene where the other sister bought drugs for her brother finally made me drop the show. It's like the writer was an autistic 13 year old. Like if you want to have a scene where a hot white woman is aggressively ejecting her spaghetti over a guy the nanosecond she lays eyes on him, you have to make him at least above average looking. It probably would have been a great show if it had competent writing, which unfortunately barely exists anymore.
I'm sorry I didn't realize I was talking to a sperg.
If watching a woman who looks like a model experience love at first sight over a 4/10 male nurse doesn't ruin your suspension of disbelief, you are a projecting autismo. I don't know how anyone besides underage girls can enjoy this Netflix slop. No idea why they spend millions on shows but cut corners by hiring CW-tier writers with laughable credentials.
>It probably would have been a great show if it had competent writing
But your main complaint with the show was with the casting, not the writing
She cute. 🙂
She's even more ethereal in motion. I was captivated while watching HoHH, images dont do her justice. Also the mother is arguably more beautiful. The series is kino tbh. On the other hand I could not get on with bly Manor, i was cringing imminently into the first ep. No idea why, I was gutted as I was looking forward to it coming out. Maybe it's because I'm British and find high budget British or American made British tv very hard to watch sometimes.
>She's even more ethereal in motion.
>images dont do her justice.
It's a webm, moron.
The disgusting interracial relationship. Thankfully she got what she fricking deserved.
>BM is a AHS
Bly Manor is based on a book called The Turn of the Screw and a movie inspired by that book called The Innocents.
Yes, and that has been adapted a thousand times. That one was not a particularly good adaptation.
Interesting. What are some better versions?
I never thought the original was that scary or interesting to be honest.
It was disappointed the second I found out that’s what the second season would be an adaptation of. It’s not a very scary or great story to begin with. Rose Red would’ve been better.
Using the same actors wasn't a very good idea. If they were going to use the anthology format they should have done like Fargo instesd of AHS
I completely agree with this. I hate the AHS format of casting the same actors in different roles the next season
Yeah and BM was a gayer version of those
Which one of these was actually about some sort of internalized family trauma?
First and it’s not even really close. Also a pity Mike abandoned that for the dogshit that was Midnight Club.
midnight club has definitively ended my interest in flanagan's projects. good filmmakers shouldn't be capable of such hard drops in quality.
But his new one drops any day now.
Bly sucked ass, especially those like 3 episodes where it's just dey hea talking to that gay arab chef over and over.
The first one of course. I never could finish Bly Manor.
>I never could finish Bly Manor.
Bly is better in the second half. Episodes 7-9 are what really make the story.
Yeah i highly doubt it. Anyway i don't care, because a show that doesn't interest me in the first few episodes, i drop it
zoom ZOOOOoooooommmm
That's fine but you get that you can't actually criticize something without having consumed it, right? Sorry for my demeanor, it's my first day on Cinemaphile
No it's not, the only good bit is the monologue where the ghost lady is walking around.
I think Hill House was much better. I couldn't even finish Bly.
>The Haunting of/in
Nothing with a title like this is ever any good.
Hill house was better I thought. As someone with struggling younger siblings always getting into adult mischief I could really feel their pain. The ghosts were really cool too.
Hill House > Midnight Mass > Bly Manor
Totally.
Get the frick out of here with that Hill House was good but Midnight Mass was great
They're both great in different ways. Hill House is haunted house done to absolute perfection while Midnight Mass stands alone.
Overall? Yes
But the priest story in MM is up there with the neck bent lady story in HH.
Left because it had the talented Ms Grace
Dude, she was like 10 in that show.
I know
First one. But it's a character drama with spooky things in the background. Absolutely top shelf set/camera work. Absolutely mid to low mid tier writing.
Bly sucked I didn't finish it
show was shit
ghost shows up scares kid then cuts back to present
ghost shows up scares adult then cuts to flashback
ghost does O face then disappears
I got about 3 episodes into the hill house and realized it was absolute trash. Don't know what took me so long. All the problems are evident in the first 10 minutes.
His new show should be coming out soon. The description is
>A contemporary horror series based on multiple works by Edgar Allan Poe
Could be interesting
I'll surely be watching. Love Poe and quite enjoyed his shows (bar Bly Manor)
Hill House.
Hill House > Bly Manor > Midnight Mess.
I like how nobody even mentions this piece of trash. It’s definitely Mike’s worst project to date.
I mean, look at that cast
That's one thing where every time I'm tempted to click I just instantly nope out.
I didn't even watch it once I heard it's an anthology loosely connected by people telling ghost stories. A glorified Are You Afraid of the Dark? basically.
Not to mention there were literally 0 car races or gangster rap. Wtf Mike?
It’s not quite an anthology. The cast are all teens with cancer living in a spooky hospice house where they tell spooky stories (only semi decent thing in the show) and spooky things also happen. It was a poorly acted slog to get through. Not worth watching.
I didn't know it existed even. Wasn't gonna watch it anyway, even If i knew about it, unless everyone agreed it's excellent and on par with Hill House or something.
The Midnight Club is terrible. It pretends something major will happen and it never does.
only dumbasses like bly manor.
Come on now.
I think it's far more female oriented than his other shows. It just pales by comparison t b h.
Didn't know Hush was related, maybe I should watch it
I liked Hush way more than GG or DS.
His wife is a perfect coomer material without being too hot.
Kate Siegel is perfect as Theo, carried by the writing for Erin, and mostly misused in all the other roles he puts her in. She's terrible in Hush but Hush is also a fairly lame Blumhouse cashgrab.
>His wife
Ah, makes sense now.
She's israeli
Doctor Sleep had every indication it was going to be awful trash and actually ended up pretty good. How often does that happen?
They had a good Rosie
that fricker looks like he starts sweating from opening his mouth alone.
Mike Flanagan > James Wan
Love Flanagan but he's pretty much a Netflix baby. Wan has proved he can make people go to the theater and pay to watch his movies.
I'll allow it but I think you're a little tough on bly manor
If it makes you feel any better, I only watched the first 3 or 4 episodes.
I watch for she.
Unpopular opinion but I think Hill House has a very weak second half. The show goes down hill immediately following the funeral parlour episode.
Midnight Mass also fumbles in the last couple episodes where it becomes a poor man's version of 30 Days of Night but before that its' excellent.
Bly Manor is more consistent and I think a lot of the reason people don't like it is because it's not a good horror story. It's 100% a romance pretending to be a horror show.
If I had to rate them it would probably be
Midnight Mass > Bly Manor > Hill House
>It's 100% a romance pretending to be a horror show.
I hate this meme.
>no sign of romance at all through 90% of the show
>suddenly theyre in love in the last episode
>it was a romance all along you guys
Did you forget the first half of the season is about her overcoming the loss of her ex-boyfriend through the connection with the lesbo?
I literally didn't care. No one watches a horror show for the lesbian romance subplot.
The only 2 great episodes of HH are up there with the greatest episodes of any show and MM delivered on the promise of being a vampire flick with a serious tone so there is no problem with that.
I don't rank them but i do like two more than the other.
>I think a lot of the reason people don't like it is because it's not a good horror story. It's 100% a romance pretending to be a horror show.
The romance simply sucks ass.
Jamie is a stock manic pixie dream dyke that is so fricking dull she literally describes her self to Dani as having no friends or interests outside her work.
Dani's characterization is centered around a plot point that gets dropped and never brought up again after she gets some pussy. The only insights we get about her as a person for the majority of the show is her shame and guilt about about being closeted. Once she gets with Jamie she has no problems or hangups about being with a woman and is completely self confident.
There's no examination of how she used her fiance who supposedly loved platonically as a beard for YEARS and she doesn't seem to care about him at all after getting a girlfriend. It comes across like she doesn't actually give a shit about her ex as a person beyond his utility to her and Flanagan avoided subject matter that would make his main character unsympathetic.
A good comparison would be Michelle Williams character in Brokeback Mountain: it's supposed to be tragic that societal pressures keep the gay lovers away, but it doesn't shy away from showing that Heath Ledger's own personal decision to use his wife as a cover is cruel and abusive towards her regardless of the position society puts him in. Jamie's ex is used as a visual metaphor for her sexual hangups and nothing more, which makes her come across as a self centered butthole.
hill house is amazing. It gets even better on a rewatch, when you kinda ignore the spooks and the mystery.
The funeral episode is one of the best episodes of any tv show ever.
This guy was so good that you think the whole season was good. It wasn't, a lot of the acting was shit, especially Flanagan's wife
The whole story with the shaved head drug addict was pretty unnecessary
The AA meeting stuff is the best stuff in the show.
And drawing parallels between alcoholism and vampirism is a clever idea.
I don't know what you'd get out of the show if you completely cut Riley tbh.
I just wish he wasn't just a generic grizzled white male protagoniat.protagonist. I kept seeing him as the crippled guy from Avatar. Should have been more of a season 1 Jesse type
everything mike makes is in some way about him being a catholic recovering alcoholic, midnight mass being the peak.
the serenity prayer is the perfect bridge between father paul the believer and riley the unbeliever, the traditional "catholic atheist". culturally religious wisdom with secular value, which Alcoholics Anonymous embodies as an institution. religion as a practical tool. and in terms of screenwriting, characters accepting "the courage to change the things they can" is perfect impetus for action.
I think it was more about the character. Is so strange to see a religious figure portrayed sympathetically on screen, let alone Netflix.
🙂
midnight mass piss on the both
Hill House was consistently good but Bly Manor wasn't good until the last 3 episodes
a daring synthesys
Hill hHuse by a country mile.
It's more cohesive.
the whole "Bly Manor is actually a love story!" ... hardly. Love is a connecting tissue between various character pairs but it doesn't fit into some overall theme.
Also all the ghost lore felt ham-fisted and random.
I liked parts of it though.
Bly had some interesting concepts like the faces of the ghosts disappearing as they became more lost to time, but there were no real standout moments in the season
>Love is a connecting tissue between various character pairs but it doesn't fit into some overall theme.
Of course it fits.
>The whole reason the original ghost was there was because she removed to move in order to remain with her daughter
>The driver tricks the teacher to staying because he figures out that you need a loved one to keep your mind in tact
>the governess automatically accepts that ghosts are real because of her own experience with holding onto the spirit of her fiancé
>her fiancé was only able to move on once she destroyed his glasses, which his mother could never do because she loved her boy so much
What is E;R doing there?
I like them both the same, but I never thought Bly Manor was a love story, I thought it was a ghost story but not necessarily a supernatural chiller, ie, it was a story about ghosts.
>muh trauma
Whichever one has the least amount of gays, troons, and Black folk.
Do they have jump scares?
Bly Manor has a couple in the early episodes. I can't remember any in Hill House.
Hill House had the one in the car that made me unironically fall out of my bed. Only time I’ve ever been truly gotten good by a jumpscare.
Thanks.
I'm really surprised most people seem to prefer Hill House to Bly Manor. The child actors in Bly Manor were incredibly good at being creepy and carried the intrigue in the first half, and then it ended with two amazing episodes. The concept of ghosts being stuck haunting places and withering away over time was awesome and spooky.
On the other hand I wasn't too impressed with anything I saw in Hill House. I also really disliked the fact the hanged girl apparently time traveled to spook herself in the past for some reason. Seemed like a dumb twist for no reason. Same with the shapeshifting room. I think it started out alright, but fizzled out in the end.
I just can't find child actors scary, i think it never works for me.
The kids aren't the scary part though.
stupid little kids doing stupid posh limey accents sounds stupid.
They were fine. The girl more than the boy though.
Sums up everything I've been saying ITT. Backwards time traveling ghost made no sense and the story is weaker. It was a twist for twist's sake.
Women are boring, and their pretense of having complex internal lives doubly so. Hard pass from me.
Hill house, bly manor has too many forced woke trash
No
Bly Manor gets mogged by the source material, The Turn of the Screw by Henry James. Read that instead of wasting your time.
I'm a ghost booo
Still love you boo
one was the best?
I haven’t seen Bly. Hill house was fricking trash, so I wasn’t about to subject myself to any further punishment.
>I haven’t seen Bly.
Get on it.