Saiyan > Freeza > Androids > Buu > power gap > Cell
This. Once Cell becomes perfected the whole story is characters doing moronic shit but it's played straight (Vegeta in particular), or just bad writing in general >OH MY HECKIN SCIENCE THE ROBOT I BARELY KNOW JUST GOT CRUSHED IM LITERALLY SUPER SAIYANING 2 RN
it wasn't so much 16 dying but gohan realizing that his pacifism would only lead to more death and destruction, sure he didn't like him dying but it wasn't like when goku got so assmad about frieza killing krillin he transformed
Cell saga utterly drops off right before the tournament. He wins and Toriyama wrote himself into a corner. That cell achieving perfection decides to give the heroes time to train and do a tournament. It's the dumbest thing ever. Cell is made up of frieza and piccolo and characters who want to dominate and lead. Only goku would care about a tournament.
Then the buu saga opens with a real damn tournament and a much better one.
yea, but a "tournament" is just stupid. Proving he is strongest by peacefully agreeing to fight. It actually contradicts his previous behavior.
Agreed. Cell saga was great until the cell games started. The androids and imperfect cell creeping around killing people was pretty good.
This. Cell likely took on the plans Toriyama had for Dr.Gero. This being that could sneak around undetected and absorb energy and just become stronger and stronger. The highlight of the finale is Gohan not wanting to fight, but Cell is ruined and likely why Toriyama never brought him back.
>It actually contradicts his previous behavior.
Well, he is a different entity now. He is perfect, so he considers himself unbeatable and wants to demonstrate that to the world. Even with prep time, no one could touch him. He's just high on his own fumes.
I'm not saying this is terrible creative writing, but I never thought it didn't make sense for the type of guy Cell is.
freeza toyed with all the heroes because he was sadistic and never got to fight anyone on his level.
the saiyans live for fighting. goku and vegeta, in particular, are autistic about it.
another example:
when majin boo absorbed gotenks and piccolo, he made the point that leaving gohan alive gave him something to do - there's no point in being the strongest if nobody is around to at least play with you a bit challengingly.
with all this in mind, cell's desire to fight and test his powers makes sense, given the characters influencing his personality and desires.
>That cell achieving perfection decides to give the heroes time to train and do a tournament
Cell knew that even if Goku or Vegeta trained for a year more in the time chamber, it wouldn't have mattered. It took Vegeta and Goku (even using Other World training) approximately 7 years to surpass Gohan at his max.
If even Goku and Vegeta trained a year more, they wouldn't have achieved SSJ2 and would not have been able to take a fully powered up Cell.
Cell just tunnel visioned hard on Goku and didn't consider that there could be someone way more powerful than him, but then again, nobody did.
>It took Vegeta and Goku (even using Other World training) approximately 7 years to surpass Gohan at his max.
Even then, Vegeta was substantially weaker than max Gohan. He needed the Majin power-up to not left in distant 3rd place. I missed this more nuance to power scaling. Characters getting strong (or weaker) was strickly tied to how their personalities reacted to the plot.
People say Goku was always an idiot, but Goku was smart enough to realize that even if he trained another year, he would never be able to surpass the SSJ barrier to defeat Cell. Even though this is non-canon (not in manga), when Goku saw that Gohan had surpassed the SSJ barrier way before him without even knowing it, he decided to bet everything on Gohan because that was the most logical choice.
I forgot about that scene, probably because it's been 20yrs, but damn that's good shit. It's well agreed the most hated part of DBS is they took away Goku's intelligence when it comes to learning fights. They even stopped him meditating to reflect on what's just happened.
It's funny that if Babidi never appeared on Earth, Goku would have spanked Vegeta with little effort. Now Super finally all be erased that gap between them
>Cell is made up of frieza and piccolo
And 4 Saiyan's. That's a lot of pride and arrogance. He wanted to rub his perfection in their faces. Giving them a few days was just to build up the terror
>That's a lot of pride and arrogance.
Gohan and Trunks never had any moronic pride issues. The whole "muh saiyan pride" shit wasn't even a thing up until the androids arc (Vegeta for example was willing to fight alongside Gohan and Krillin on Namek because he knew Frieza and the Ginyus were too much for him)
It never enters his mind that they'll win. He's perfect, so how could he lose.
He just wants to have one big blowout to test his upper limits before he starts deleting entire galaxies
This, and I liked the whole premise of all these insanely strong dudes coming from around the galaxy to duke it out on some backwater planet none of them had even heard of a week earlier.
> People complain a lot about Buu but I always loved it.
The criticism has nothing to do with buu himself tho, it’s how gohan was made into a fricking joke with the great saiyaman bullshit. homie was legit the strongest in the known universe at that point and then sidelined to play a third rate ginyu cosplay.
Namek saga because at that time characters dying were still seen as a huge deal.
Future Gohan is the best story they have ever done, and it all came crashing down with the Cell saga.
Every arc is maximum kino before the big bad eats up the last half. Early cell/androids is the best part, early frieza/saiyans and early Buu/Majin Vegeta are all great. The jobbers stalling the saiyans, etc. DBZ is remembered fondly for the foreplay but it's mistakenly attributed to the climax. Imaging getting edged for 100 episodes but instead of cumming you shit yourself. That's dragon ball Z. Only argentinians know this truth because we were edged and denied for years (cable station that owned the rights hoarded episodes and started over 5-6 times in a couple of years until we finally saw goku turn SSJ, the cut off being 1 ep before this.) Check em while we are at it.
The entire namek saga was god tier >kid gohan, krillin, and bulma flying in the ship, landing on namek, spending most of their time just trying to survive and navigate the land collecting dragon balls with the radar >vegeta roaming the planet by himself doing hit and runs on frieza soldiers and encountering gohan and the gang >vegeta fricking up cui, dodoria, and zarbon >goku training in the ship as he travels to namek, kino scenes of him pushing himself when the gravity malfunctions, drinking beer and chowing food >piccolo fusing with nails >ginyu force, massive uphill battles against the shitter weaklings of the team like guldo and recoom >goku's epic arrival, destroying recoom in a single hit, toying with burter and jeice where they can't touch him >vegeta getting an armor upgrade to the sleeves black suit, his most kino look in the entire series, while goku and krillin gets saiyan armor also >goku healing in the tank >piccolo handling freiza with his nails fusion upgrade >gohan fricking up freiza when he gets mad >vegeta's beat down and kino death scene >krillin's AHHH HELP ME death >original super saiyan transformation speaks for itself >the kino look of shirtless tattered clothing goku with the hair being off-white color
>best spirit bomb in the series >best planet explosion in the series (planet begita) >but king kai, goku has kayo-ken! Yamcha, hes already using it… x50!
bro r u joking. coolers revenge was fricking lame. the final fight scene where goku finally turns super saiyan lasts a total of 2 hits from goku + the final supernova cooler launches at the planet. cooler has a special place in my heart cuz of design alone but man did that movie suck balls
>Z is to Dragonball as Super is to Z
Correct >Saiyan Saga is shit tier compared to Demon King Piccolo or Tien saga
Incorrect
Dragon Ball follows the curvature of a mountain with a 2 shelved cliff next to it. It starts okay, gets good, becomes great in the middle (Tien-Namek) and then goes back from good to okay. Then when it becomes GT it drops about 50% in quality, and when it becomes Super that drops another 50%.
the power level shit in the freezer saga made it worse and the boo shit was way two fricking long butt the sell saga is the best and also pickleo vs android guy is the best fight in all of dbz but not regular dragon ball that is better
I remember watching some of them back in the day when only the cool kid at school with contacts had the bootleg VHS tapes with subtitles, Goku's high pitched Japanese granny voice was so jarring I didn't even cared about the plot.
People keep saying this but the ones I've seen are all shit. The pacing is all fricked up and the final fights are usually over in 2 seconds because of some ass pull. There are cool moments but overall they're pretty shit.
They have their moments but they are formulaic as frick. Piccolo and Vegeta always show up for dramatic effect and quickly proceed to job like the losers they are.
Goku's face at 0:05 is like he's saying "Pfft. The gall of this fricker." He totally had that fight won until the sword came out though. Janemba's use of a blade is what seriously made me believe that swords were viable in the Dragonball Universe you just needed a power level to make it work. Goku had zero fricking hope. I mean think about it. Would you wanna fight someone who is not only bigger than you who has a fricking knife?
I miss how the hair in Dragonball Z used to move like actual hair. Especially on early SSJ transformations that looked so great, how it was flowing upwards. In Dragonball Super everyone looks like they are wearing styrofoam hats.
Let the best judge be my memory: after 15 years the things I remember best, thus ranked higher, in that order, are: Cell saga, followed by frieza and buu last
>His name was Vegeta, a proud Sayian, prince.
Frick man
Too bad it’s the single most worthless sacrifice in the series. Chioatzu blowing himself up against Nappa at least dented Napa’s armor and gave them reason to go to Namek
Ikr. I tried to get my 7 year old gen Alpha nephew into dbz whenever my sister needed me to babysit, but apparently for these kids DBZ is too violent and slow paced and he had nightmares afterwards.
tell your sister that kid is a homosexual, better throw his ass in a sport
Bet he's never been out of breath or had to push himself to the next level.
They won't even like decent capeshit,
They probably like mcu garbage
There was a point where My parents were having severe financial issues and couldn’t pay the cable bill. I stg I was home alone watching this episode on Toonami and as soon as the episode ended the cable went out. I sat there for a good 2-3 minutes absorbing what I just witnessed.
Saiyan > Android/Imperfect Cell Saga > Buu Saga > Cell Saga > Namek Saga
The only kino in Namek is the Ginyus and Vegeta. Goku’s b***hass is asleep until the final 20 episodes and then spends those in a filler fight with metrosexual alien, Gohan and Krillin are whiney and gay, Bulma is inconsequential. Frieza’s constant “BUT WAIT HAVE YOU SEEN MY [insert] FORM???” Is horrendously homosexual writing that plagues DragonBall to this day
In my opinion, Frieza Arc was the best: >It had shocking revelations and secrets revealed (Saiyans, powerful allies, power levels etc) >Amazing character development (Piccolo and Gohan, Vegeta) >Tactical warfare on Namek for the hunt of the Namekian Dragonballs and numerous adversaries so more varying battles. >Frieza was a truly amazing villain and antagonist with an interesting design and forms while the background story was amazing (destroying the Saiyan home planet) >First Super Saiyan transformation and how hyped it felt
>Tactical warfare on Namek for the hunt of the Namekian Dragonballs and numerous adversaries so more varying battles.
This.
The Android saga at least had a bit of that going on as well, with all the different androids, but I liked the fact that they were doing it on a sparsely populated alien planet so the stakes were pretty much entirely personal, plus death hadn't become quite as cheap yet as it would become later. Buu saga in the other hand just had them fight one guy for like 80 episodes and holy shit was I glad when that shit was finally over. Sure people love funny moments like Vegito beating the shit out of Buu in candy form or Vegeta's epic sacrifice but they seem to forget the absolute frickton of padding that arc had.
Well THAT'S a SIGHT for SORE EYES!! The GINYU FORCE!! WHA-!??! You are ALL going to TAKE TURNS RAILING my WIFE?!?! RECOOME'S FIRST?!?! And YOU are going to REpeatedly COOM into 18's saggy MEAT-FLAPS!?!? B-but you are TOO LARGE! You will RUIN her for EVERYONE ELSE!!! EHHH??!? And after RECOOME STRETCHES out my beloved PERMANENTLY with RECOOME HIP ATTACKS and RECOOME DEATH DRIVERS, BURTER and JEICE will DOUBLE-TEAM her?!?! EHHHHH??!?! You're both gonna SPITROAST her like the DIRTY PIG prostitute she IS?!?! JEICE is gonna FILL her with his RED MAGMA-like SEMEN?!?! ALL while BURTER WHISKS her MIND away with AWAY with PLEASURE like a BLUE HURRICANE?!?!? TOGETHER you are GOING to POUND her PUSSY with your PURPLE COMET ATTACK?!?! SHE WON'T even know who is FRICKING her since you will be SO FAST?!!?! WOOHOO!! And NEXT is GULDO?!?! HUUUHHHH?!?! NOOO!!! PLEASE DON'T FREEZE TIME FOR ME DURING THE MONEY SHOT!!! I NEED IT FOR MY GOONING SESSION PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE DON'T!!! I BEG YOU! JUST LET ME FILM IT!! WAIT REALLY?!?! THANK YOU MASTER GULDO!!! THANK you for letting me see YOU INSEMINATE my SPOUSE!! And that must leave us with JUST CAPTAIN GINYU!! SAY WHHAAA-?!?! You are going to SWAP BODIES with ME and FORCE me, in YOUR body, to WATCH YOU, in MY body, RAIL my WIFE?!? And YOU'RE SAYING that seeing MYSELF fricking my wife, will RUIN my ENTIRE WORLD-VIEW?!? My WHOLE WORLD will SHATTER as I have an IDENTITY CRISIS from seeing such a HORRID and TRAUMATISING thing?!?! And this will cause me to develop a DISSOCIATIVE PERSONALITY DISORDER, which will require YEARS of EXTENSIVE PSYCHIATRIC CARE, which will EVENTUALLY FAIL and DRIVE me INSANE?!?! And then, I will be FORCED to be ADMITTED into a MENTAL ASYLUM where I will be LOCKED and TRAPPED in a SMALL PADDED ROOM, with only a SMALL window to see my BELOVED getting FRICKED THROUGH?!?! YABBA DABBA DOO LET'S GET THIS TRAIN GOING!!!
ZOUNDS!!!!!!!!! Hearts-sama, y-you're saying that after you overthrew Zeno as the lord of the multiverse, that I was ACCIDENTALLY appointed as his REPLACEMENT because I look JUST LIKE HIM?!?!?!?!!!? And that NOW I am the omniscient and omnipotent RULER of ALL CREATION??!!!!! But you want me to GIVE UP my position, because otherwise my deranged and deviant mind will transform me into a MALEVOLENT DEMIURGE?!?!!!!?! My DERANGED MIND is too UNSTABLE to properly maintain reality, and my SINGLE-MINDED OBSESSION with watching my WIFE be RAILED BY BULLS will start to overwrite EXISTENCE ITSELF?!!??!!!!!! By my DIVINE FIAT, BVLLS will be created from NOTHING in ALL CORNERS OF THE UNIVERSE, each and every one rapidly making their way towards MY WIFE?!?!?!!! I will have ALL-SEEING KNOWLEDGE of the PAST, PRESENT, and FUTURE, so my MIND will be CONSTANTLY ASSAILED with declarative knowledge of not ONLY how my WIFE is being FRICKED, but ALSO every single PAST time she was fricked (even the ones I MISSED the first time around), AND gulp EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE WAY IN WHICH SHE WILL BE PENETRATED IN ALL POSSIBLE FUTURES?! My PURE OBSESSION with KEKOLDRY will REWRITE THE LAWS OF LOGIC THEMSELVES, leading to ALL possible actions ending in the reaction of MY WIFE BEING FRICKED, therefore every act of rebellion against me will only drive men DEEPER into my WIFE, and ME into FURTHER INSANITY?!!! S-soon, my mind will have DETERIORATED to the point where I can't even maintain reality, physical or spiritual, and ALL the MULTIVERSE will SHRINK until ONLY I'M LEFT?!!! I won't even be able to preserve my own divine being, and my mind will be COMPRESSED by the void until the ONLY little bit of EXISTENCE left standing in the INFINITE ABYSS OF PURE NEGATION will be an INFINITESIMALLY SMALL PARTICLE OF PURE KEKOLDRY?!!! Well, what can I say to all that? Except that I SMITE YOU FROM MY DIVINE COURT!!! I CAN'T WAIT FOR YABBA DABBA COSMIC DOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!! I'M SUCH A HAPPY KEK!!!!!!!!!
>When Goku touched Bulma’s pussy >When Goku touched Krillin’s dick >When Goku touched Nam’s dick >When Master Roshi raped an all-female dojo in the summer of ‘92 >When Goku showed the fake-psychic his balls >When Krillin came inside a RealDoll >When Yamcha got murdered and his murderer had sex with his girl and then pumped an interracial (we interspecies, technically) baby in her
not until i finish rewatching the original Dragon Ball first, and then i'll finish with GT. i've just been getting Plex set up, this is pretty awesome.
The "Trunks saga" starting with the moment trunks turns super saiyan in front of freiza up until the discovery of cell, at which point the story's payload was delivered and everything after was just hyped action. The time travel/string theory component to trunks' arc is the most compelling narrative of DBZ. A close second is the revelation that goku was an alien sent to earth as a child, and the exploration of the saiyans and eventually outer space, namek frieza etc.
Buu saga is the worst by far. It's a failed slice of life narrative that pivoted but neve r knew what it wanted to be. It had some top moments and fan service sprinkled on but mostly shit.
It's not trunks himself that makes the saga superior. It's the constant mindfrick after mindfrick the audience experiences, starting with the revelation of trunks as this mystery super saiyan and ending with the revelation of cell.
The peak in story dynamic is the z fighters grappling with their reality unfolding completely differently to how it did in trunks' timeline. Time travel just makes for the best narratives.
I saga is less about the fights and who wins and more about the narrative. Vegeta has his moment of doubt and falls into evil again, but repents and finds peace in his position and accepts his role as a father and husband. Gohan fricks up the Buu fight, but that’s not the point; he’s become his father’s son to the point of wearing his outfit. He gets a girlfriend, ensuring the continuation of his family. Gotten and Trunks represent the families of Goku and Vegeta truly making peace and uniting, free from any baggage. Even Krillin gets a nice send off finally having his own family.
>Goku has a genetic case of heart aids that will kill him unless his rivals son comes back from an alternative future with a cure
This is why DBZ is the GOAT
>that moment when Frieza stands there armorless for the first time and you realize "shit got real" for some counterintuitive reason, like the armor being off meant the gloves are off
Buu saga. I understand why people hate it, but I think it was the most soulful saga of the franchise while also being the most unpredictable one. Majin Buu would be a perfect horror movie's apocalyptic monster.
the battle of gods movie is pretty good and the new characters are actually great, skip pretty much everything else and watch the tournament of power just because it has some cool fights and the ost is good
Watch Battle of the Gods then the tournament of power arc. Maybe the new Broly if you're really bored. Skip literally everything else. Watching shit float down sewer water would a better viewing experience.
>maybe the new broly movie if you’re really bored
That movie is legit the only good thing to come out of super. It’s absolutely what every piece of dragon ball media should be. There’s literally an hour straight of fighting instead of just staring and talking.
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>There’s literally an hour straight of fighting instead of just staring and talking.
It tanks in quality the last half when they switch to cheap 3D animation that every damn Youtuber uses. Gogeta vs Broly is one big seizure
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There’s only a couple shots of 3d animation. Not even scenes, shots.
Majin Boo. >perfected the transformations dynamic >introduced magic >made fusion a thing >made SSJ3 a cool trainwreck >Gotenks is funny as frick >vegeta's sacrifice
Magic has been a thing already since the original dragon ball, and personally i find gotenks annoying loved him as a kid though, and hated mr satan and fat buu, now i hate gotenks and love buucule. Other than that though hard agree. Buu is based, Babidi is based, Daborah is based, even the Great Gayaman is kinda based in a fun corny way.
GT was a complete shitshow filled with an absurd amount of wasted ideas but the ending is unironically the best one I've ever seen to any piece of media
Cell had the potential to be the best but somewhere along they way it got muddied up until recovering a bit near the end, so I'm forced to say Frieza, even though I personally still like Cell saga better.
I hold that Goku letting Cell live (senzu bean just adding insult to injury here) is his most stupid decision in the entire series (I'm not counting Super because I haven't watched it)
What a fricking moron
I wonder if Vegeta would ever do such thing giving his Saiyan pride or would just obliterate Cell
No, vegeta could've killed 18 with a sneeze by that point but his pride made him let cell become perfect just to prove to everyone he's the strongest, and we all know how that went out.
Even trunks started to lose his shit when he realized vegeta was actually going to risk letting the earth be destroyed just to satisfy his ego
Thanks for that, but I think at least that's something that makes more sense coming from Vegeta if Goku is supposedly to be held as a better guy. That until you read stuff like this by the word of God:
I like the senzu bean moment because it helps the narrative that goku isn't really a good guy, toriyama has said himself that he dislikes how toei and everything around dragon ball tries to turn goku into weeb superman when he's really a brain damaged battle autist who really wants to fight strong people, he protects what he loves of course but he isn't a hero or always tries to go out of his way to do the right thing, fighting for the sake of fighting is what gives him life and this moment is the natural extreme of that. It also helps the whole plot point of goku thinking that gohan is exactly like him
. I genuinely feel bad now for the people in this universe. Constantly at risk of utter cataclysm because the guy that is constantly saving your ass is doing for his own selfish reasons. Come to think of it, it's quite a grim picture.
I like the senzu bean moment because it helps the narrative that goku isn't really a good guy, toriyama has said himself that he dislikes how toei and everything around dragon ball tries to turn goku into weeb superman when he's really a brain damaged battle autist who really wants to fight strong people, he protects what he loves of course but he isn't a hero or always tries to go out of his way to do the right thing, fighting for the sake of fighting is what gives him life and this moment is the natural extreme of that. It also helps the whole plot point of goku thinking that gohan is exactly like him
Super hits the nail on the head where Goku's egging on the grand Xeno to do a tournament is seen as reckless and villainous. The other unvierses straight up see Goku as some kind of self righteous monster, who would risk the lives of trillions just to prove his strength. This is Goku, pretty much since the tournament fight with piccolo jr. His need to test his might outweighs the safety of others, always.
it's not even something toriyama pulled out of his ass, all the way back to the saiyan saga goku told krillin to vegeta's life not because something moronic like "if you kill him you're just like him!1!!1!!" but because he wanted to fight him again, it's funny but if you look at it like this goku is the best "evil superman" there is
Evil Goku posting was super based during DBS original run, with how the fanbase turned on Goku so hard and held him up as the villain of the series
All the oldgay DBZ fans being like "wtf is wrong with my hero? I used to look up to him"
Toriyama is a moron and his editors are all that made Dragon Ball what it is. He should just shut the frick up and stick to drawing cute girls and cyberpunk vehicles.
Goku has always been a good guy though. They constantly make a huge deal about him being pure hearted. The flying nimbus, he spirit bomb, super saiyan, all of it is because Goku is pure of heart. They literally use the phrase "pure of heart".
Cell is more kino if you just cut off the rest of the story after that, gohan taking over as the protagonist is more kino than goku fighting fat man and little buu
I think the problem will the cell arc is that not much of interest happens in the middle of it. The beginning and end are strong, but the middle is kinda meh. And the fights with the mini cells are borderline filler.
Frieza saga cause its the last saga centered around the dragonballs. The rest of the series. The dragonballs are after thoughts and the central focus is preparing for some kinda threat. Albeit the saiyan saga follows this formula.
>raditz shows up >good guys prepare >villians
But the frieza saga has it all
>dragonball central theme >bulma and krillin >gohan as kid goku basically >goku off training somewhere to overcome the threat
Its the saga that combines everything good about dragonball into dragonball z. I love the frieza saga
Imagine if it was Trunks and Bulma going back in time to gather the DragonBalls. Imagine if 17 and 18 wanted to find the dragonballs instead of killing Goku. Imagine if Cell wanted to gather the dragonballs to become perfect? It's hindsight but it would fit better with some reworking.
By that same notion, why wasn't Babidi's goal to gather the dragonballs in order you summon Majin Buu?
Thats so true. I mean in dragonball there was the tournament sagas but the majority of the show is centered around collecting the balls. Itd have been amazing if there was more of it later on. It makes even more sense with babidi to free buu cause its just like a vague
>we need X amount of ki to free buu.
Lol. The babidi collecting the balls with dabura angle woulda been much much better. Or cell collecting the balls the andriods trunks etc.
I finally finished og DB and DBZ last month. I cried when all the real ones (aka og characters that we hadn’t seen in forever) appeared and gave their energy to Goku. And when Vegeta pleaded to the Earth. I’m on GT right now it’s really slow it feels like og DB adventure with slightly lower power levels of DBZ, but some anons here said that the ending is amazing so I’m going to chug through it.
I always loved the gag of how the afterlife is a disgusting bureaucracy where everything is handled exactly like a regular office job and the big red guy is endlessly doing paperwork to see who gets to heaven or hell
It's less of a gag than you think. That's a Confucian vision of the afterlife. The gag is in how modern and banal Toriyama made it, like the afterlife is filled with salaryman, civil service spirits.
Should I try out GT? I remember seeing some when I was a kid and it seemed to have a sense of adventure like the of that was lost on z.
I love comfy space adventures I've been looking for a comic or show that has alien bazaars and makeshift cities on asteroids and shit but Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile never help. I have no faith in Cinemaphile.
Buu saga would've been the best if Toriyama didn't keep back peddling on cool decisions.
>Majin Vegeta vs Goku is one of the best fight sof the franchise and peaks Vegeta's character development with the sacrifice >Oh wait he still has his body in the afterlife to fight again and Goku was hiding SS3 the whole time >The new kid sayians are fun characters and their fusion gives them a plausible way to participate in the fight >lol lets make them go Super Sayian with no effort and zero training >Goku can't play a significant part in defeating Majin Buu, leaving it up to Gohan to finally stop being such a pussy and master his cool new form >The stakes are ridiculously high as Buu killed everyone he loved >Gohan even gets one of the hardest lines of the series >Oh wait Goku is alive (again) and Gohan jobs for no good reason
It was so fricking frustrating even as a 10yr old.
Dragon ball super made me forget how damn good the character design in Z is. Seriously the villains in Z are like how an animated character should be designed. Simple but with a distinct theme, only two main colors, not over the top in muscle or parts that stick out like a lot of other animes or cartoons, defining physical features for each villain. I don’t understand how Akita toriyama went from drawing this to drawing the shit in super.
Frieza was the most kino saga overall, probably the most iconic. Cell had some of the most kino moments like the 2nd time machine reveal and obviously Goha going ss2. Buu was kino in the sense that it was basically a parody if itself that somehow also took itself seriously.
Namek was the most consistent
Androids/Cell saga had the highest high with the Cell Games
Buu Saga was all over the place but had the coolest transformations and Vegito
all good and I could understand choosing any as your favorite
I still wish they brought Cell back since they resurrected Frieza in Super and was disappointed Cell Max was the imperfect form
Obviously Frieza. Two impossibly strong beings fighting on a doomed planet for the fate of the universe. What did we get with Cell? Punch up in mostly flat wasteland half a mile from the highway. Dogshit
Cell for me personally but only for the really unexpectedly kino Imperfect Cell kino horror aesthetic in the beginning of the saga. Him killing civilians by absorbing them was very kino. The rest was pretty shit, though.
>the only two characters in the series that don’t care about pride and ego and will take the kill shot when they have the chance
These two should have become the main characters after the cell saga
Honeatly those moments in DBZ where the stakes are super high, usually right before the big bad is defeated are extremely kino, the rest of the show is pretty boring though. Just episode after episode of filler.
overall it's Frieza for me, but my favorite part of DBZ as a whole is the imperfect cell (1st stage) where the villain feels legitimately menacing and willing to murder everything
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Namek was the most consistent
Androids/Cell saga had the highest high with the Cell Games
Buu Saga was all over the place but had the coolest transformations and Vegito
all good and I could understand choosing any as your favorite
I still wish they brought Cell back since they resurrected Frieza in Super and was disappointed Cell Max was the imperfect form
Buu Saga is the best. Kid Buu is the greatest menace in DBZ and Vegeta's scene finally accepting that Goku is better than him was the best instance of character development in the franchise. People switch alliances and get stronger all the time, but Vegeta's moment of truth stands out over all those moments. Also Goku's speech against Kid Buu showed maturity, what even a simpleton like him thinks about the gravity of death even without sacrificing going overboard and betraying his character (he still admitted he wanted to fight him again someday despite all that happened)
Elder Kai basically explains in Buu saga that the gods hate the dragon balls and only allowed the Namekians a set as a special circumstance, most likely because they had no vicious ambitions and just stayed in their shitty village world
I love every saga in Dragonball Z, but the Freeza Saga is the best saga and Toriyama himself planned to make the Freeza Saga the last saga but then made the Cell Saga and the Buu Saga because of fan demand.
Super wasn't that good but my autismo for DB kept me going forward. Is there any chance of the next season/series coming out this year or is toei just going to keep artificially hyping one piece
Frieza was cool the entire time
Cell was cool up until imperfect. Perfect cell was gay as shit another mustache twirling villain. Android saga best saga
Reminder that imperfect cell is the best villan >creepy bug man with vore powers >starts out weaker then the main characters , gets btfo in his first fight and has to run away >has to sneak around and use cunning to get strong enough to accomplish his goal and acts opportunisticly >waits for piccolo and 17 to wear each other out fighting before finishing them both off and vore'ing the android >actually wins and transforms into his Black person form
Yeah, imperfect Cell era was like a horror/mystery take on dbz and then when he absorbs the androids it just becomes a very long nothing until the end.
Yeah, imperfect Cell era was like a horror/mystery take on dbz and then when he absorbs the androids it just becomes a very long nothing until the end.
>mysterious >explains his entire backstory and identity in like the second episode he's in
Kek, great villain.
Cell by a mile.
Anime is gay tho.
homie did you just call genocyber gay? You probably like duck tales and own a fursuit you fricking flaming homosexual.
I do like Ducktales, the old show that is.
genocyber is frickin terrible
anon, gore is gay af, you must be closet homosexual Hispanic or troony
Cell arc goes to absolute shit the second Cell starts voring cyborgs.
Saiyan > Freeza > Androids > Buu > power gap > Cell
This. Once Cell becomes perfected the whole story is characters doing moronic shit but it's played straight (Vegeta in particular), or just bad writing in general
>OH MY HECKIN SCIENCE THE ROBOT I BARELY KNOW JUST GOT CRUSHED IM LITERALLY SUPER SAIYANING 2 RN
it wasn't so much 16 dying but gohan realizing that his pacifism would only lead to more death and destruction, sure he didn't like him dying but it wasn't like when goku got so assmad about frieza killing krillin he transformed
Four fours and not one check. What is happening to this place?
zoomer meme
>still caring about reddigits in the year of our lord 2023
This
Cell saga utterly drops off right before the tournament. He wins and Toriyama wrote himself into a corner. That cell achieving perfection decides to give the heroes time to train and do a tournament. It's the dumbest thing ever. Cell is made up of frieza and piccolo and characters who want to dominate and lead. Only goku would care about a tournament.
Then the buu saga opens with a real damn tournament and a much better one.
filtered
Agreed. Cell saga was great until the cell games started. The androids and imperfect cell creeping around killing people was pretty good.
cell was part saiyan too, the battle autism comes in their genes they can't help it
yea, but a "tournament" is just stupid. Proving he is strongest by peacefully agreeing to fight. It actually contradicts his previous behavior.
This. Cell likely took on the plans Toriyama had for Dr.Gero. This being that could sneak around undetected and absorb energy and just become stronger and stronger. The highlight of the finale is Gohan not wanting to fight, but Cell is ruined and likely why Toriyama never brought him back.
gohan not wanting to fight is the worst part of the cell arc. everything else that people are complaining about is fine.
>It actually contradicts his previous behavior.
Well, he is a different entity now. He is perfect, so he considers himself unbeatable and wants to demonstrate that to the world. Even with prep time, no one could touch him. He's just high on his own fumes.
I'm not saying this is terrible creative writing, but I never thought it didn't make sense for the type of guy Cell is.
freeza toyed with all the heroes because he was sadistic and never got to fight anyone on his level.
the saiyans live for fighting. goku and vegeta, in particular, are autistic about it.
another example:
when majin boo absorbed gotenks and piccolo, he made the point that leaving gohan alive gave him something to do - there's no point in being the strongest if nobody is around to at least play with you a bit challengingly.
with all this in mind, cell's desire to fight and test his powers makes sense, given the characters influencing his personality and desires.
>That cell achieving perfection decides to give the heroes time to train and do a tournament
Cell knew that even if Goku or Vegeta trained for a year more in the time chamber, it wouldn't have mattered. It took Vegeta and Goku (even using Other World training) approximately 7 years to surpass Gohan at his max.
If even Goku and Vegeta trained a year more, they wouldn't have achieved SSJ2 and would not have been able to take a fully powered up Cell.
Cell just tunnel visioned hard on Goku and didn't consider that there could be someone way more powerful than him, but then again, nobody did.
>It took Vegeta and Goku (even using Other World training) approximately 7 years to surpass Gohan at his max.
Even then, Vegeta was substantially weaker than max Gohan. He needed the Majin power-up to not left in distant 3rd place. I missed this more nuance to power scaling. Characters getting strong (or weaker) was strickly tied to how their personalities reacted to the plot.
People say Goku was always an idiot, but Goku was smart enough to realize that even if he trained another year, he would never be able to surpass the SSJ barrier to defeat Cell. Even though this is non-canon (not in manga), when Goku saw that Gohan had surpassed the SSJ barrier way before him without even knowing it, he decided to bet everything on Gohan because that was the most logical choice.
I forgot about that scene, probably because it's been 20yrs, but damn that's good shit. It's well agreed the most hated part of DBS is they took away Goku's intelligence when it comes to learning fights. They even stopped him meditating to reflect on what's just happened.
I'm starting to think Abridged influence Toriyama when it came dumbing down Goku in DBS and other pathetic fan service.
It's funny that if Babidi never appeared on Earth, Goku would have spanked Vegeta with little effort. Now Super finally all be erased that gap between them
Vegeta is 3-0 against Goku
>Cell is made up of frieza and piccolo
And 4 Saiyan's. That's a lot of pride and arrogance. He wanted to rub his perfection in their faces. Giving them a few days was just to build up the terror
>That's a lot of pride and arrogance.
Gohan and Trunks never had any moronic pride issues. The whole "muh saiyan pride" shit wasn't even a thing up until the androids arc (Vegeta for example was willing to fight alongside Gohan and Krillin on Namek because he knew Frieza and the Ginyus were too much for him)
Cell doesn't have any of Trunks DNA. He has Nappa's
It never enters his mind that they'll win. He's perfect, so how could he lose.
He just wants to have one big blowout to test his upper limits before he starts deleting entire galaxies
>It never enters his mind that they'll win. He's perfect, so how could he lose.
You can say the same shit about Frieza, too.
this tbh
t. Hispanic who self-inserted as Gohan
Cell doesn’t have Zarbon so you’re wrong. Anime is gay so you’re also right.
You're all massive morons with shit taste.
cell saga is the worst
No, you.
Whichever one was on toonami at 5pm when I got off the school bus. I can't remember but those were good times.
this homie got home from school at 5 pm
me and my gf laughed at this hard
How big is ur gf’s dick
I enjoyed freiza the most since there were heroes and enemies coming together
This, and I liked the whole premise of all these insanely strong dudes coming from around the galaxy to duke it out on some backwater planet none of them had even heard of a week earlier.
Cell, specifically Androids
People complain a lot about Buu but I always loved it.
> People complain a lot about Buu but I always loved it.
The criticism has nothing to do with buu himself tho, it’s how gohan was made into a fricking joke with the great saiyaman bullshit. homie was legit the strongest in the known universe at that point and then sidelined to play a third rate ginyu cosplay.
Because nobody likes gohan
They tried to give him a personality, which is fine. If he had just been a Z Fighter using his power to defeat evil he would've been just Goku 2.0
Majin Buu cause I got worked hard by this fat moron beating up all my favorite heroes
Perfect self-insert for you, huh?
The one they brought back from the dead in Super.
Take it to Cinemaphile
Frieza was most SOUL. Then Buu then Cell. InCELL arc is perpetually overrated. But DBZ start to finish was kino
Cell saga is better but i like Buu more
I'm a Buu guy.
Almost all shonen is a rip-off of the Frieza arc. The biggest moment in One Piece just happened the other day and it was of course a transformation.
For me, it’s Pilaf
>t pedo
Namek saga because at that time characters dying were still seen as a huge deal.
Future Gohan is the best story they have ever done, and it all came crashing down with the Cell saga.
cell
Namek saga is the best but Kid Buu was my favorite antagonist because he is purely chaotic and you can't even begin to attempt to reason with him.
Saiyans and Namek (which is practically Saiyan arc continuation).
From all the villains King Piccolo; from those 3 Freeza. I mean, there is nothing more epic than Goku going SS for the very first time.
Absorutely Grorious
Which release is this from? It looks so clean
I'm pretty sure that gokus first ssj transformation and from the frieza fight.
GARLIC JUNIOR
You will never experience another moment like when goku went SSJ for the first time. It’s a childhood memory that will stick with me forever.
majin vegeta's suicide stuck with me a bit more
Every arc is maximum kino before the big bad eats up the last half. Early cell/androids is the best part, early frieza/saiyans and early Buu/Majin Vegeta are all great. The jobbers stalling the saiyans, etc. DBZ is remembered fondly for the foreplay but it's mistakenly attributed to the climax. Imaging getting edged for 100 episodes but instead of cumming you shit yourself. That's dragon ball Z. Only argentinians know this truth because we were edged and denied for years (cable station that owned the rights hoarded episodes and started over 5-6 times in a couple of years until we finally saw goku turn SSJ, the cut off being 1 ep before this.) Check em while we are at it.
That happened in many countries
get with time grandpa, gear 5 episode came out
>babbys first animu transcendence
Get on my level, kid.
Beginning of Frieza arc > Beginning of Buu arc > beginning of Cell arc
Middle of Buu arc > middle of Cell arc > middle of Frieza arc
Peak of Frieza arc > peak of Buu arc > Peak of Cell arc
The entire namek saga was god tier
>kid gohan, krillin, and bulma flying in the ship, landing on namek, spending most of their time just trying to survive and navigate the land collecting dragon balls with the radar
>vegeta roaming the planet by himself doing hit and runs on frieza soldiers and encountering gohan and the gang
>vegeta fricking up cui, dodoria, and zarbon
>goku training in the ship as he travels to namek, kino scenes of him pushing himself when the gravity malfunctions, drinking beer and chowing food
>piccolo fusing with nails
>ginyu force, massive uphill battles against the shitter weaklings of the team like guldo and recoom
>goku's epic arrival, destroying recoom in a single hit, toying with burter and jeice where they can't touch him
>vegeta getting an armor upgrade to the sleeves black suit, his most kino look in the entire series, while goku and krillin gets saiyan armor also
>goku healing in the tank
>piccolo handling freiza with his nails fusion upgrade
>gohan fricking up freiza when he gets mad
>vegeta's beat down and kino death scene
>krillin's AHHH HELP ME death
>original super saiyan transformation speaks for itself
>the kino look of shirtless tattered clothing goku with the hair being off-white color
>best spirit bomb in the series
>best planet explosion in the series (planet begita)
>but king kai, goku has kayo-ken! Yamcha, hes already using it… x50!
yup. the ginyu fight was hilarious
Granolah
>tfw no good 80s dragonquest anime
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The Films are the best kino by a fricking mile and no i dont care that they arn't le canon, frick you
The movies are at their best when you marathon them with friends. Also when they replace the Japanese music with late 90s/ early 00s rock music.
bro r u joking. coolers revenge was fricking lame. the final fight scene where goku finally turns super saiyan lasts a total of 2 hits from goku + the final supernova cooler launches at the planet. cooler has a special place in my heart cuz of design alone but man did that movie suck balls
doesn't even say sucks dragon balls
what a waste
Saiyan Saga is the best, everything after is trash
Saiyan Saga is shit tier compared to Demon King Piccolo or Tien saga
Z is to Dragonball as Super is to Z
>Z is to Dragonball as Super is to Z
Correct
>Saiyan Saga is shit tier compared to Demon King Piccolo or Tien saga
Incorrect
Dragon Ball follows the curvature of a mountain with a 2 shelved cliff next to it. It starts okay, gets good, becomes great in the middle (Tien-Namek) and then goes back from good to okay. Then when it becomes GT it drops about 50% in quality, and when it becomes Super that drops another 50%.
Super is just as bad as GT. Should have just been semiannual movies.
the power level shit in the freezer saga made it worse and the boo shit was way two fricking long butt the sell saga is the best and also pickleo vs android guy is the best fight in all of dbz but not regular dragon ball that is better
Freezer of curse but I like Buu
>Is the most perfect kino music in the entire series
HOW did they do it?
The Falconer score still gives me goosebumps, too bad it didn't carry over to DBZ Kai.
Majin Buu Saga > Cell Saga > Slurpza filler
The films are fricking KINO and most people have never even watched them
Black person, shut up, they got ran on Toonami constantly and the VHS and DVDs sold millions in the early-mid 2000s.
I own you
I remember watching some of them back in the day when only the cool kid at school with contacts had the bootleg VHS tapes with subtitles, Goku's high pitched Japanese granny voice was so jarring I didn't even cared about the plot.
Some are good but others are terrible. I remember the third broly movie being ASS he looks like a literal shit monster an
Then you have GOAT shit like Fusion Reborn
The Broly sequels are easy skips. Too bad too as I thought it was kind of cool that 19 and Hercule were major characters in Bio-Broly.
The Bardock one was bretty gud
loved Tree of Might on toonami as a kid
the bump used to scare me lol
I only remember Janemba because he had a kino design
broly film was better than whatever the new one was supposed to be indeed.
People keep saying this but the ones I've seen are all shit. The pacing is all fricked up and the final fights are usually over in 2 seconds because of some ass pull. There are cool moments but overall they're pretty shit.
They have their moments but they are formulaic as frick. Piccolo and Vegeta always show up for dramatic effect and quickly proceed to job like the losers they are.
>dubtards think this is good
Better than some Jap granny voicing Goku
You're just jelly you can't go to the next dimension
> you won a one way trip to another dimension
Ocean nappa was severly underrated.
>an actual tranime sperg
That soundtrack is pure kino.
I miss 90's animation
Its so much fricking better than digital its fricking unreal
Goku's face at 0:05 is like he's saying "Pfft. The gall of this fricker." He totally had that fight won until the sword came out though. Janemba's use of a blade is what seriously made me believe that swords were viable in the Dragonball Universe you just needed a power level to make it work. Goku had zero fricking hope. I mean think about it. Would you wanna fight someone who is not only bigger than you who has a fricking knife?
Can't beat traditional animation on film, looks so good
People disregard the movies because mug canon but they’re 60 minute animation showcases , they’re great and short anyway.
Not all of them look as good as that one. Check the fight with metal cooler, isn't that much better than standard Z.
It has a weight to it digital just doesnt, its hard to even explain but things just feel more impactful
I miss how the hair in Dragonball Z used to move like actual hair. Especially on early SSJ transformations that looked so great, how it was flowing upwards. In Dragonball Super everyone looks like they are wearing styrofoam hats.
Dragonball peaked in the early Frieza saga
The actual Frieza fight goes on too long and then Androids onwards the plot just goes to shit
Vegeta is the fricking GOAT character and its not even close
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/kylWOIS22_E
Cell
Let the best judge be my memory: after 15 years the things I remember best, thus ranked higher, in that order, are: Cell saga, followed by frieza and buu last
GT is better than Super
Cell's death(s) was the most kino.
This was a fricking KIDS show 20 years ago, shit doesnt hit like this anymore
>His name was Vegeta, a proud Sayian, prince.
Frick man
Too bad it’s the single most worthless sacrifice in the series. Chioatzu blowing himself up against Nappa at least dented Napa’s armor and gave them reason to go to Namek
Its not about killing Buu its about Vegetas arc, the best arc in the show by a fricking mile
Goddamn, look at that impact. Vegeta is heavy as frick
Ikr. I tried to get my 7 year old gen Alpha nephew into dbz whenever my sister needed me to babysit, but apparently for these kids DBZ is too violent and slow paced and he had nightmares afterwards.
tell your sister that kid is a homosexual, better throw his ass in a sport
Bet he's never been out of breath or had to push himself to the next level.
They won't even like decent capeshit,
They probably like mcu garbage
There was a point where My parents were having severe financial issues and couldn’t pay the cable bill. I stg I was home alone watching this episode on Toonami and as soon as the episode ended the cable went out. I sat there for a good 2-3 minutes absorbing what I just witnessed.
Kino moment. Things got better eventually I hope?
Freezer in the manga, Cell in the anime.
Cell saga was the best, but the anime as a whole wasn't that good.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/md3cJoa0_tk
adulthood is about understanding the franchise should have ended after freiza
ooooooooh, I'm hecking adulting!!!!
Imagine if Toriyama didnt hate Vegeta for literally no reason and finally let him have his fricking moment
villains don't deserve moments. vegeta deserved to die and stay dead forever and forgotten
Vegeta already had his fricking moment THOUGH
Fricking the girl Goku didnt want isnt a moment
Saiyan > Android/Imperfect Cell Saga > Buu Saga > Cell Saga > Namek Saga
The only kino in Namek is the Ginyus and Vegeta. Goku’s b***hass is asleep until the final 20 episodes and then spends those in a filler fight with metrosexual alien, Gohan and Krillin are whiney and gay, Bulma is inconsequential. Frieza’s constant “BUT WAIT HAVE YOU SEEN MY [insert] FORM???” Is horrendously homosexual writing that plagues DragonBall to this day
In my opinion, Frieza Arc was the best:
>It had shocking revelations and secrets revealed (Saiyans, powerful allies, power levels etc)
>Amazing character development (Piccolo and Gohan, Vegeta)
>Tactical warfare on Namek for the hunt of the Namekian Dragonballs and numerous adversaries so more varying battles.
>Frieza was a truly amazing villain and antagonist with an interesting design and forms while the background story was amazing (destroying the Saiyan home planet)
>First Super Saiyan transformation and how hyped it felt
Nail was also GOAT as frick, dude was a fricking giga chad
>Tactical warfare on Namek for the hunt of the Namekian Dragonballs and numerous adversaries so more varying battles.
This.
The Android saga at least had a bit of that going on as well, with all the different androids, but I liked the fact that they were doing it on a sparsely populated alien planet so the stakes were pretty much entirely personal, plus death hadn't become quite as cheap yet as it would become later. Buu saga in the other hand just had them fight one guy for like 80 episodes and holy shit was I glad when that shit was finally over. Sure people love funny moments like Vegito beating the shit out of Buu in candy form or Vegeta's epic sacrifice but they seem to forget the absolute frickton of padding that arc had.
Raditz was the best Saiyan.
Yes.
He really was.
>Redditz
Admit it Gotenks fricking hyped you up
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TSyx2QolsOs
Well THAT'S a SIGHT for SORE EYES!! The GINYU FORCE!! WHA-!??! You are ALL going to TAKE TURNS RAILING my WIFE?!?! RECOOME'S FIRST?!?! And YOU are going to REpeatedly COOM into 18's saggy MEAT-FLAPS!?!? B-but you are TOO LARGE! You will RUIN her for EVERYONE ELSE!!! EHHH??!? And after RECOOME STRETCHES out my beloved PERMANENTLY with RECOOME HIP ATTACKS and RECOOME DEATH DRIVERS, BURTER and JEICE will DOUBLE-TEAM her?!?! EHHHHH??!?! You're both gonna SPITROAST her like the DIRTY PIG prostitute she IS?!?! JEICE is gonna FILL her with his RED MAGMA-like SEMEN?!?! ALL while BURTER WHISKS her MIND away with AWAY with PLEASURE like a BLUE HURRICANE?!?!? TOGETHER you are GOING to POUND her PUSSY with your PURPLE COMET ATTACK?!?! SHE WON'T even know who is FRICKING her since you will be SO FAST?!!?! WOOHOO!! And NEXT is GULDO?!?! HUUUHHHH?!?! NOOO!!! PLEASE DON'T FREEZE TIME FOR ME DURING THE MONEY SHOT!!! I NEED IT FOR MY GOONING SESSION PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE DON'T!!! I BEG YOU! JUST LET ME FILM IT!! WAIT REALLY?!?! THANK YOU MASTER GULDO!!! THANK you for letting me see YOU INSEMINATE my SPOUSE!! And that must leave us with JUST CAPTAIN GINYU!! SAY WHHAAA-?!?! You are going to SWAP BODIES with ME and FORCE me, in YOUR body, to WATCH YOU, in MY body, RAIL my WIFE?!? And YOU'RE SAYING that seeing MYSELF fricking my wife, will RUIN my ENTIRE WORLD-VIEW?!? My WHOLE WORLD will SHATTER as I have an IDENTITY CRISIS from seeing such a HORRID and TRAUMATISING thing?!?! And this will cause me to develop a DISSOCIATIVE PERSONALITY DISORDER, which will require YEARS of EXTENSIVE PSYCHIATRIC CARE, which will EVENTUALLY FAIL and DRIVE me INSANE?!?! And then, I will be FORCED to be ADMITTED into a MENTAL ASYLUM where I will be LOCKED and TRAPPED in a SMALL PADDED ROOM, with only a SMALL window to see my BELOVED getting FRICKED THROUGH?!?! YABBA DABBA DOO LET'S GET THIS TRAIN GOING!!!
Cringe
ZOUNDS!!!!!!!!! Hearts-sama, y-you're saying that after you overthrew Zeno as the lord of the multiverse, that I was ACCIDENTALLY appointed as his REPLACEMENT because I look JUST LIKE HIM?!?!?!?!!!? And that NOW I am the omniscient and omnipotent RULER of ALL CREATION??!!!!! But you want me to GIVE UP my position, because otherwise my deranged and deviant mind will transform me into a MALEVOLENT DEMIURGE?!?!!!!?! My DERANGED MIND is too UNSTABLE to properly maintain reality, and my SINGLE-MINDED OBSESSION with watching my WIFE be RAILED BY BULLS will start to overwrite EXISTENCE ITSELF?!!??!!!!!! By my DIVINE FIAT, BVLLS will be created from NOTHING in ALL CORNERS OF THE UNIVERSE, each and every one rapidly making their way towards MY WIFE?!?!?!!! I will have ALL-SEEING KNOWLEDGE of the PAST, PRESENT, and FUTURE, so my MIND will be CONSTANTLY ASSAILED with declarative knowledge of not ONLY how my WIFE is being FRICKED, but ALSO every single PAST time she was fricked (even the ones I MISSED the first time around), AND gulp EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE WAY IN WHICH SHE WILL BE PENETRATED IN ALL POSSIBLE FUTURES?! My PURE OBSESSION with KEKOLDRY will REWRITE THE LAWS OF LOGIC THEMSELVES, leading to ALL possible actions ending in the reaction of MY WIFE BEING FRICKED, therefore every act of rebellion against me will only drive men DEEPER into my WIFE, and ME into FURTHER INSANITY?!!! S-soon, my mind will have DETERIORATED to the point where I can't even maintain reality, physical or spiritual, and ALL the MULTIVERSE will SHRINK until ONLY I'M LEFT?!!! I won't even be able to preserve my own divine being, and my mind will be COMPRESSED by the void until the ONLY little bit of EXISTENCE left standing in the INFINITE ABYSS OF PURE NEGATION will be an INFINITESIMALLY SMALL PARTICLE OF PURE KEKOLDRY?!!! Well, what can I say to all that? Except that I SMITE YOU FROM MY DIVINE COURT!!! I CAN'T WAIT FOR YABBA DABBA COSMIC DOOOOOOOM!!!!!!!!!!! I'M SUCH A HAPPY KEK!!!!!!!!!
DBZ kings post the best moments
>When Goku touched Bulma’s pussy
>When Goku touched Krillin’s dick
>When Goku touched Nam’s dick
>When Master Roshi raped an all-female dojo in the summer of ‘92
>When Goku showed the fake-psychic his balls
>When Krillin came inside a RealDoll
>When Yamcha got murdered and his murderer had sex with his girl and then pumped an interracial (we interspecies, technically) baby in her
raped in 92 many such cases.
my friend Kevin got raped by a pack of nuggets that year
Name a more GOAT moment in the entire series
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/MQk6XwcOcvM
I dont remember that corny ass amv moment in the series.
Its time anon, time to rewatch DBZ, not Kai.
not until i finish rewatching the original Dragon Ball first, and then i'll finish with GT. i've just been getting Plex set up, this is pretty awesome.
The "Trunks saga" starting with the moment trunks turns super saiyan in front of freiza up until the discovery of cell, at which point the story's payload was delivered and everything after was just hyped action. The time travel/string theory component to trunks' arc is the most compelling narrative of DBZ. A close second is the revelation that goku was an alien sent to earth as a child, and the exploration of the saiyans and eventually outer space, namek frieza etc.
Buu saga is the worst by far. It's a failed slice of life narrative that pivoted but neve r knew what it wanted to be. It had some top moments and fan service sprinkled on but mostly shit.
>t. My stepdad hit me so i identify with Tranks
It's not trunks himself that makes the saga superior. It's the constant mindfrick after mindfrick the audience experiences, starting with the revelation of trunks as this mystery super saiyan and ending with the revelation of cell.
The peak in story dynamic is the z fighters grappling with their reality unfolding completely differently to how it did in trunks' timeline. Time travel just makes for the best narratives.
I saga is less about the fights and who wins and more about the narrative. Vegeta has his moment of doubt and falls into evil again, but repents and finds peace in his position and accepts his role as a father and husband. Gohan fricks up the Buu fight, but that’s not the point; he’s become his father’s son to the point of wearing his outfit. He gets a girlfriend, ensuring the continuation of his family. Gotten and Trunks represent the families of Goku and Vegeta truly making peace and uniting, free from any baggage. Even Krillin gets a nice send off finally having his own family.
Cooler is the best
>shounen Hispanic z
Freiza/Namek saga is better overall, but the fights with cell are the most kino
Sayin saga was pretty great. I couldn’t honestly tell you though because I haven’t seen DBZ for 20 years.
Majin Vegeta has the best lines and is just Vegeta at his most righteously pissed off ending with his kino sacrifice.
So god tier
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ORoVA4IaMuk
I always hated that triple camera pan thing they did. It's no better than overusing jump cuts, in fact it might be worse.
Troonster cope.
>Goku has a genetic case of heart aids that will kill him unless his rivals son comes back from an alternative future with a cure
This is why DBZ is the GOAT
>he stops taking the medicine because he doesn't feel sick
Actual moron
People should just use bioweapons to fight saiyans
You mean Cell?
Remember when M Vegeta literally kills like 500 people just to trigger Goku into fighting him. They dont fricking make kids shows like this anymore
Frieza arc
Cell arc was the worst
Freeza remains unmatched as the greatest anime villain of all time.
>that moment when Frieza stands there armorless for the first time and you realize "shit got real" for some counterintuitive reason, like the armor being off meant the gloves are off
Cell
Best fight
Buu is kinda cute.
Buu saga. I understand why people hate it, but I think it was the most soulful saga of the franchise while also being the most unpredictable one. Majin Buu would be a perfect horror movie's apocalyptic monster.
I prefer abridged.
I can't wait for Dragon Ball to come back bros. Whatever comes after Super is going to be peak kino
Going full on AF is the proper course for the franchise
Is Super over? I don't like watching ongoing shit.
Super is over and had a finale, but we know there is more content coming. Don't know if it's a new series or a super revival.
Basically dragon ball is just on hiatus regardless of what the symantics are
Don't watch Super anyways. It's dog shit.
What should I watch instead?
the battle of gods movie is pretty good and the new characters are actually great, skip pretty much everything else and watch the tournament of power just because it has some cool fights and the ost is good
GT
me on the left
is all the focus on Pans chest just a callback to all the Goku dick gags?
Watch Battle of the Gods then the tournament of power arc. Maybe the new Broly if you're really bored. Skip literally everything else. Watching shit float down sewer water would a better viewing experience.
>maybe the new broly movie if you’re really bored
That movie is legit the only good thing to come out of super. It’s absolutely what every piece of dragon ball media should be. There’s literally an hour straight of fighting instead of just staring and talking.
>There’s literally an hour straight of fighting instead of just staring and talking.
It tanks in quality the last half when they switch to cheap 3D animation that every damn Youtuber uses. Gogeta vs Broly is one big seizure
There’s only a couple shots of 3d animation. Not even scenes, shots.
It goes Freeza>Cell>Buy
I detest the bulma frog subplot, but namek saga is when goku first turns super sayian and nothing can ever top that
>phoneposter
>garbage opinion
Like clockwork
Frieza, obviously.
Majin Boo.
>perfected the transformations dynamic
>introduced magic
>made fusion a thing
>made SSJ3 a cool trainwreck
>Gotenks is funny as frick
>vegeta's sacrifice
>vegeta's sacrifice
Literally the best moment in the entire series
Magic has been a thing already since the original dragon ball, and personally i find gotenks annoying loved him as a kid though, and hated mr satan and fat buu, now i hate gotenks and love buucule. Other than that though hard agree. Buu is based, Babidi is based, Daborah is based, even the Great Gayaman is kinda based in a fun corny way.
>vegeta muslims himself
>accomplishes nothing
>is brought back less than a day later in-universe time
Why do gays pretend this was so good
GT was a complete shitshow filled with an absurd amount of wasted ideas but the ending is unironically the best one I've ever seen to any piece of media
Its a better ending than Super 100%
I still cry a little every time I see it
I like the frieza and cell sagas before the big fights that are just powering up. Buu saga the only good part is the tournament.
>Buu saga the only good part is the tournament.
I'd happily scrap the entire Buu saga to get that tournament instead
Cell had the potential to be the best but somewhere along they way it got muddied up until recovering a bit near the end, so I'm forced to say Frieza, even though I personally still like Cell saga better.
I hold that Goku letting Cell live (senzu bean just adding insult to injury here) is his most stupid decision in the entire series (I'm not counting Super because I haven't watched it)
What a fricking moron
I wonder if Vegeta would ever do such thing giving his Saiyan pride or would just obliterate Cell
How is Goku giving Cell the senzu bean any different than Vegeta letting Cell absorb the androids instead of finishing him off?
I don't remember that at all. Wasn't it a situation of letting an enemy take out another enemy?
No, vegeta could've killed 18 with a sneeze by that point but his pride made him let cell become perfect just to prove to everyone he's the strongest, and we all know how that went out.
Even trunks started to lose his shit when he realized vegeta was actually going to risk letting the earth be destroyed just to satisfy his ego
Thanks for that, but I think at least that's something that makes more sense coming from Vegeta if Goku is supposedly to be held as a better guy. That until you read stuff like this by the word of God:
. I genuinely feel bad now for the people in this universe. Constantly at risk of utter cataclysm because the guy that is constantly saving your ass is doing for his own selfish reasons. Come to think of it, it's quite a grim picture.
I like the senzu bean moment because it helps the narrative that goku isn't really a good guy, toriyama has said himself that he dislikes how toei and everything around dragon ball tries to turn goku into weeb superman when he's really a brain damaged battle autist who really wants to fight strong people, he protects what he loves of course but he isn't a hero or always tries to go out of his way to do the right thing, fighting for the sake of fighting is what gives him life and this moment is the natural extreme of that. It also helps the whole plot point of goku thinking that gohan is exactly like him
Super hits the nail on the head where Goku's egging on the grand Xeno to do a tournament is seen as reckless and villainous. The other unvierses straight up see Goku as some kind of self righteous monster, who would risk the lives of trillions just to prove his strength. This is Goku, pretty much since the tournament fight with piccolo jr. His need to test his might outweighs the safety of others, always.
it's not even something toriyama pulled out of his ass, all the way back to the saiyan saga goku told krillin to vegeta's life not because something moronic like "if you kill him you're just like him!1!!1!!" but because he wanted to fight him again, it's funny but if you look at it like this goku is the best "evil superman" there is
Evil Goku posting was super based during DBS original run, with how the fanbase turned on Goku so hard and held him up as the villain of the series
All the oldgay DBZ fans being like "wtf is wrong with my hero? I used to look up to him"
Super is not real dragon ball. It's tranime. If you watch super you failed
Toriyama is a moron and his editors are all that made Dragon Ball what it is. He should just shut the frick up and stick to drawing cute girls and cyberpunk vehicles.
>visible nips
that must be edited right?
The original Dragonball lewded the frick out of Bulma. Clearly Toriyama was playing to the trope of a boys wanting to pork their hot babysitter.
Bulma was regularly nude in the manga, why would nips be edited?
You never read Toriyamas early works?
Goku has always been a good guy though. They constantly make a huge deal about him being pure hearted. The flying nimbus, he spirit bomb, super saiyan, all of it is because Goku is pure of heart. They literally use the phrase "pure of heart".
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Early DBZ > Dragonball > Late DBZ > ToP Super > GT > Rest of Super
Cell is more kino if you just cut off the rest of the story after that, gohan taking over as the protagonist is more kino than goku fighting fat man and little buu
Frieza=Buu>Cell
I think the problem will the cell arc is that not much of interest happens in the middle of it. The beginning and end are strong, but the middle is kinda meh. And the fights with the mini cells are borderline filler.
Baby arc had some good ideas, I wish the animation had an actual budget
you just described all of gt
Frieza and his sexy gilf voice actress is the definitive DBZ villain.
Buu's the most fun though.
>frieza is a feminine looking guy with a female voice actor
Really confusing to the brain and dick growing up.
I was more confused when she voiced Genkai.
"What the frick!? Old women can be hot? Am I into old women!? WHAT THE FRICK!!?"
Spoiler: Turns out im into old women as well as young women.
Frieza saga cause its the last saga centered around the dragonballs. The rest of the series. The dragonballs are after thoughts and the central focus is preparing for some kinda threat. Albeit the saiyan saga follows this formula.
>raditz shows up
>good guys prepare
>villians
But the frieza saga has it all
>dragonball central theme
>bulma and krillin
>gohan as kid goku basically
>goku off training somewhere to overcome the threat
Its the saga that combines everything good about dragonball into dragonball z. I love the frieza saga
Imagine if it was Trunks and Bulma going back in time to gather the DragonBalls. Imagine if 17 and 18 wanted to find the dragonballs instead of killing Goku. Imagine if Cell wanted to gather the dragonballs to become perfect? It's hindsight but it would fit better with some reworking.
By that same notion, why wasn't Babidi's goal to gather the dragonballs in order you summon Majin Buu?
Thats so true. I mean in dragonball there was the tournament sagas but the majority of the show is centered around collecting the balls. Itd have been amazing if there was more of it later on. It makes even more sense with babidi to free buu cause its just like a vague
>we need X amount of ki to free buu.
Lol. The babidi collecting the balls with dabura angle woulda been much much better. Or cell collecting the balls the andriods trunks etc.
I finally finished og DB and DBZ last month. I cried when all the real ones (aka og characters that we hadn’t seen in forever) appeared and gave their energy to Goku. And when Vegeta pleaded to the Earth. I’m on GT right now it’s really slow it feels like og DB adventure with slightly lower power levels of DBZ, but some anons here said that the ending is amazing so I’m going to chug through it.
I always loved the gag of how the afterlife is a disgusting bureaucracy where everything is handled exactly like a regular office job and the big red guy is endlessly doing paperwork to see who gets to heaven or hell
It's less of a gag than you think. That's a Confucian vision of the afterlife. The gag is in how modern and banal Toriyama made it, like the afterlife is filled with salaryman, civil service spirits.
Should I try out GT? I remember seeing some when I was a kid and it seemed to have a sense of adventure like the of that was lost on z.
I love comfy space adventures I've been looking for a comic or show that has alien bazaars and makeshift cities on asteroids and shit but Cinemaphile and Cinemaphile never help. I have no faith in Cinemaphile.
Its good. I liked it. Its worth the watch to be honest. If you like dragonball and z etc youll like it bro
>"Saga"
absolute moron Funimation appropriation of this word
Frieza had the best conclusion
I wouldn't know, I'm white.
Buu saga would've been the best if Toriyama didn't keep back peddling on cool decisions.
>Majin Vegeta vs Goku is one of the best fight sof the franchise and peaks Vegeta's character development with the sacrifice
>Oh wait he still has his body in the afterlife to fight again and Goku was hiding SS3 the whole time
>The new kid sayians are fun characters and their fusion gives them a plausible way to participate in the fight
>lol lets make them go Super Sayian with no effort and zero training
>Goku can't play a significant part in defeating Majin Buu, leaving it up to Gohan to finally stop being such a pussy and master his cool new form
>The stakes are ridiculously high as Buu killed everyone he loved
>Gohan even gets one of the hardest lines of the series
>Oh wait Goku is alive (again) and Gohan jobs for no good reason
It was so fricking frustrating even as a 10yr old.
Frieza saga no competition
Dragon ball super made me forget how damn good the character design in Z is. Seriously the villains in Z are like how an animated character should be designed. Simple but with a distinct theme, only two main colors, not over the top in muscle or parts that stick out like a lot of other animes or cartoons, defining physical features for each villain. I don’t understand how Akita toriyama went from drawing this to drawing the shit in super.
Frieza was the most kino saga overall, probably the most iconic. Cell had some of the most kino moments like the 2nd time machine reveal and obviously Goha going ss2. Buu was kino in the sense that it was basically a parody if itself that somehow also took itself seriously.
Namek was the most consistent
Androids/Cell saga had the highest high with the Cell Games
Buu Saga was all over the place but had the coolest transformations and Vegito
all good and I could understand choosing any as your favorite
I still wish they brought Cell back since they resurrected Frieza in Super and was disappointed Cell Max was the imperfect form
Obviously Frieza. Two impossibly strong beings fighting on a doomed planet for the fate of the universe. What did we get with Cell? Punch up in mostly flat wasteland half a mile from the highway. Dogshit
Cell for me personally but only for the really unexpectedly kino Imperfect Cell kino horror aesthetic in the beginning of the saga. Him killing civilians by absorbing them was very kino. The rest was pretty shit, though.
>the only two characters in the series that don’t care about pride and ego and will take the kill shot when they have the chance
These two should have become the main characters after the cell saga
Androids and Cell 1st Form is my favorite, but Cell 2nd Form onwards I would rank below Frieza and Buu.
NO COMPETITION
frieza > bull > cell
Honeatly those moments in DBZ where the stakes are super high, usually right before the big bad is defeated are extremely kino, the rest of the show is pretty boring though. Just episode after episode of filler.
Kinoest dub incoming
>for the win
should have ended after Freezer
piccolo saga
overall it's Frieza for me, but my favorite part of DBZ as a whole is the imperfect cell (1st stage) where the villain feels legitimately menacing and willing to murder everything
Jiren is my favorite character
The Alpha of Awe. The Brute of Brawn. The Cultivator of Class. The Duke of Domination. The Emperor of Eloquence. The Fiercest of Fighters. The Greatest of Glory. The Height of Heroism. The Imperator of Intellectualism. The Jarl of Justice. The King of Knights. The Lord of Loquaciousness. The Master of Mortality. The Naysayer of Noobs. The Overlord of Obituaries. The Prince of Passion. The Que-hagen of Quixote. The Ruler of Ruination. The Sultan of Smite. The Taskmaster of Trembles. The Undertaker of Ubiquity. The Vaeyen of Vociferousness. The Warranter of Weaklings. The Xenophobe of Xenogeny. The Yardmaster of Yesteryear. The Zhar of Zoroastrianism.
This thing looks more like a ben 10 alien than a dragon ball character.
I never got how supergays or brown morons like you actually like this garbage.
This fricking board is done
I'm never coming back to this shit
Tranime gays you win
Anime site. Suck it up, normie.
>Namek
Epic
>Cell
Confused
>Buu
Bloated
Freeza Saga has:
>better villain
>better story
>better side characters
>better fights
>more memorable moments
Cell Saga has:
It's not even a contest.
Buu Saga is the best. Kid Buu is the greatest menace in DBZ and Vegeta's scene finally accepting that Goku is better than him was the best instance of character development in the franchise. People switch alliances and get stronger all the time, but Vegeta's moment of truth stands out over all those moments. Also Goku's speech against Kid Buu showed maturity, what even a simpleton like him thinks about the gravity of death even without sacrificing going overboard and betraying his character (he still admitted he wanted to fight him again someday despite all that happened)
Frieza but I still say cell deserves a proper return.
PRODUCE
Why don't the nameks just create more dragon balls?
Elder Kai basically explains in Buu saga that the gods hate the dragon balls and only allowed the Namekians a set as a special circumstance, most likely because they had no vicious ambitions and just stayed in their shitty village world
I love every saga in Dragonball Z, but the Freeza Saga is the best saga and Toriyama himself planned to make the Freeza Saga the last saga but then made the Cell Saga and the Buu Saga because of fan demand.
None. DBZ is trash.
Super wasn't that good but my autismo for DB kept me going forward. Is there any chance of the next season/series coming out this year or is toei just going to keep artificially hyping one piece
cell. Frieza has shit pacing and benches most of the cast, buu has too many wasted plot points and character assassinations.
Android saga right up until 1st form Cell is peak kino, after that the saga goes to shit though.
The best fighter that was born on earth.
You're forgetting one man
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DRAGON DRAGON, ROCK THE DRAGON,
COME, GET, ME
Frieza was cool the entire time
Cell was cool up until imperfect. Perfect cell was gay as shit another mustache twirling villain. Android saga best saga
Namek>saiyans>buu>garlic junior>>>>>>>cell
Reminder that imperfect cell is the best villan
>creepy bug man with vore powers
>starts out weaker then the main characters , gets btfo in his first fight and has to run away
>has to sneak around and use cunning to get strong enough to accomplish his goal and acts opportunisticly
>waits for piccolo and 17 to wear each other out fighting before finishing them both off and vore'ing the android
>actually wins and transforms into his Black person form
Yeah, imperfect Cell era was like a horror/mystery take on dbz and then when he absorbs the androids it just becomes a very long nothing until the end.
>mysterious
>explains his entire backstory and identity in like the second episode he's in
Kek, great villain.
They're called arcs, not sagas
Got I fricking hate americans
Sagas can also be a collection of arcs, you dumb Latinx.
Reminder for all the gokucels
bubu, luego celula y luego friser
ONDA VITAL YA, que te comes.
Freeza had the best arc but Buu actually destroyed Earth.
Sarah Gadon had the most kino saga
Agreed, I love Sarah Gadon.
Sarah Gadon is the best isnt she?