DL had a several seasons after the show "ended" with Last But Not Beast and the original crew were gone. The art style and writing were completely different and much worse. I couldn't even watch it as a kid.
JB's creator was involved for the middle seasons of the show. S1 and S4 are far more surreal compared to those seasons, and the characterization is different (namely Suzie and Carl).
The real victim of losing it's creator was SpongeBob. Anything after S3 completely loses the magic. Not CN though.
>>JB's creator wasn't involved for the middle seasons of the show
I don't see people coming to a consensus whether S1 and 4 were better or 2 and 3 though
Johnny Bravo >> Dexter's Lab >>> squeezing a dog's anal glands >>>>> PPG
I'll admit I liked some of Savino's episodes for just how ridiculously stupid they were. JB without Partible felt like a typical show from the 2000's with its angular style and tropes. Not very charming or memorable.
I enjoy the dynamic S2 Pops and Carl bring, but my heart will always belong S1 CHRONOS, MASTER OF ALL TIME
>the live action pilot
Did it ever come out? I know the script leaked and it was terrible, but last I heard they delayed it and then it apparently disappeared off the face of the earth?
The network promised the pilot would be retooled and that was the last we heard, so yeah, it’s probably just dead. Since then a bunch of CW shows got cancelled, and I think the new management at WB-Discovery is rethinking the CW’s place in the company.
They might attempt a live-action PPG project at some point in the future but it won’t be that one.
this, dexter hadn't much material except the savino seasons, JB seasons argument and the bollywood but that was a 5/10 at the best, PPG ride is not even close to end
>JB >worse without creator
Lmao it was better without Partible. The moment he returned to showrun season 4, the show got cancelled because fans expected season 2-3 JB
You'd think if Partible's style was the most preferred S4 would have been mana from heaven but no it just made everyone realize CN was right when they kicked his ass out
>people who loved S1 left after the show became garbage >the only people left to watch S4 were the morons who stayed for S2-S3 >durr hurr partible flopped
S1 was successful when it was airing troony, S4 came out too late to matter
This.
'Original' Johnny Bravo was pretty much 'LOL, gropey man keeps getting maced in his eternal search for a pussy!'. Remake almost gave us western equivalent to Bobobo.
This.
'Original' Johnny Bravo was pretty much 'LOL, gropey man keeps getting maced in his eternal search for a pussy!'. Remake almost gave us western equivalent to Bobobo.
You'd think if Partible's style was the most preferred S4 would have been mana from heaven but no it just made everyone realize CN was right when they kicked his ass out
Johnny just became another moron protagonist. Season 1 Johnny had an IQ in the high 90s range but kept fricking up due to a combination of lust and narcissism.
Unfortunately, this Johnny didn't get brought back in season 4. Like it or not, much of the show's quality can be attributed to Seth MacFarlane.
Partible' not so subtle middle finger to Pops
Petty as hell considering what great additions both him and Carl made, Partible at least have Carl a major role once
Carl is the worst voice Tom Kenny ever made. He sounds like what Spongebob sounds like to people who hate Spongebob
while not every idea in there is a good one(Jim Dandy would have gotten old fast as a recurring character compared to Donny Osmond just being a three time guest star), Seth did have a pretty good grasp on what makes Johnny, Bunny, and Susie work as characters, and giving Johnny some recurring love interests who actually like Johnny back to some extent in the form of Holly O'Hair and Ms Babe was a good idea that it's a shame got dropped before it could be used*
*indeed if Johnny Bravo were to be brought back it probably would be best to just give him a full time girlfriend since the whole "constantly trying to pick up chicks" part of his character would be both hard to make work in this day and age and also is the most limited in terms of what jokes one can mine from it(hence why Seasons 2 & 3 reduced the focus on that compared to Season 1)
A new season of Johnny Bravo could definitely combine the best of Season 1 and 2/3. Make him a himbo with outdated (but ultimately not bad) intentions about picking up chicks and then throw him into a variety of realistic and surreal situations.
There's nothing wrong with that character archetype. Even in the original season it had Johnny call out someone who was a pick-up artist type who only had bad intentions.
Johnny was supposed to be a moron protagonist from the start. Did you forget the Vendela episode showing his brain being the size of a walnut? Too bad they only knew how to write a boring everyman protagonist.
Johnny being an actual horny moron is what the show was supposed to be and S3 and S4 are magnificent. They have actual characters and plots beside "Johnny meets a talking animal".
The Savino seasons of Dexter's Lab were... man, they were not good. They weren't straight-up awful, but they weren't Dexter's Lab. I think Savino just really had no idea what to do with the premise, so it wound up being kind of meandering and overall mediocre and forgettable, aside from a couple bright spots ("YOU'RE RIDIN' THAT HOG!")
Johnny Bravo I think improved a fair bit after the retool. "Loser who can't get laid" can only carry a show so far, and they used up most of that momentum in season one. Carl and Pops might not have been amazing characters, but Johnny needed more people to play off of than his mom and Susie and whatever piece of ass he was chasing that week.
The PPG reboot was straight up fricking garbage for reasons that have been covered a bajillion times.
Powerpuff remained OK. I haven't watched Dexter's Lab, and I don't like stupid Johnny, so JB worsened the most. That is unless the Powerpuff reboot is counted.
The last 3 seasons of PPG weren't amazing but still alright. Craig still had some say in the scenarios and there's also the Beatles tribute as the highlight of it all.
Dexter's final seasons may as well been a different show, however.
It's true though
All the fighting-heavy episodes with generic monsters are a snoozefest, there are several bad episodes in the golden era, the girls themselves are uncapable of saying anything funny, you can tell it was aimed at a younger demographic than Dexter
Meanwhile Dexter holds up amazingly with near every episode being a masterpiece
>Meanwhile Dexter holds up amazingly with near every episode being a masterpiece
Dexter's Lab during the Genndy seasons is indeed a very good show, amazingly so considering it has some of the most inconsistent characterization of any kid's show I've ever seen, show could not make up it's mind on a lot of things, particularly in regards to things like how sociable Dexter was(or how knowledgeable he was about non science matters or even sometimes about regular science rather than super science), or how smart/dumb Dee Dee was(or how mature she'd act, or how aware she was about Dexter not liking her being in the lab), so again it's surprising how little that effects the show's overall quality
>so again it's surprising how little that effects the show's overall quality
Being an episodic comedy with no continuity certainly helps, it's kinda like how FoP contradicts itself every 2 episodes
>Which show got worse without its creator?
of those three definitely Dexter's Laboratory had the worst drop in quality, PPG* suffered a bit of decline but was still watchable for the most part, and one could make a serious argument that Johnny Bravo was actually better during the two seasons without it's creator than the two with him
*original show only, not taking any of the later revivals into account here
Johnny Bravo >> Dexter's Lab >>> squeezing a dog's anal glands >>>>> PPG
I'll admit I liked some of Savino's episodes for just how ridiculously stupid they were. JB without Partible felt like a typical show from the 2000's with its angular style and tropes. Not very charming or memorable.
>I'm not a mentally ill /misc/tard like you
And yet you said
>people who loved S1 left after the show became garbage >the only people left to watch S4 were the morons who stayed for S2-S3 >durr hurr partible flopped
S1 was successful when it was airing troony, S4 came out too late to matter
Partible' not so subtle middle finger to Pops
Petty as hell considering what great additions both him and Carl made, Partible at least have Carl a major role once
I mean Partible appreciated Carl enough to feature him in the opening of S4 and give him a major role at least once. It just boggles the mind he didn't have the same consideration for Pops considering he's such a great foil for Johnny.
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Johnny just became another moron protagonist. Season 1 Johnny had an IQ in the high 90s range but kept fricking up due to a combination of lust and narcissism.
Unfortunately, this Johnny didn't get brought back in season 4. Like it or not, much of the show's quality can be attributed to Seth MacFarlane.
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Carl is the worst voice Tom Kenny ever made. He sounds like what Spongebob sounds like to people who hate Spongebob
I'll take Johnny actually being funny over Johnny having more down to earth qualities yet getting pushed to the side in favor of whatever celebrity Partible felt like pushing that week.
That said I do agree S1 is enjoyable overall, Seth, Butch and others did a swell job.
Oh but we are. I've been watching them in their entirety and most of those episodes hold up pretty well. Turning Johnny into a force of nature that dictates the plot with his whims is much funner than just seeing him stand there while someone else has all the fun.
S1 isn't bad overall tho. S4, now that is when they just gave up on being funny.
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>S4, now that is when they just gave up on being funny.
The fairy tales episode was nice and "El Toto Guapo" had a funny twist ending though.
>You would defend the savino seasons if genndy came back in the end to retcon that garbage
Nah.
Please have some nuance. Savino was a hack and so was Partible. If anything, J.B.'s run would be akin to Savino getting kicked out after making the first season of Johnny Test, Genndy Tartakovsky stepping in to salvage this mess throughout the two seasons and Savino making a comeback with something even worse than the season which got him fired.
Dexter was god awful in the savino era. I don't remember how post Craig PPG fared, didn't the rain nanobot episode come from that era? That gave me a boner as a kid.
S1 Johnny Bravo was a narcissist butthole, he couldn't get chicks because he was too focused on telling them about his muscles. And half the time he got stuck in absurd surreal situations that normal people wouldn't get out of either. In some episodes, both of the above happened the same time.
S2/3 Johnny as a dumb idiot who couldn't get chicks because he was a dumb idiot. The plot revolved around him being dumb or Carl being an annoying piece of shit. Pops contributed nothing.
And the art style of S1 was better too. More rounded and soft, and Johnny could convey a billion more emotions even with his mouth not being drawn half the time. S2 turned Little Susie into this cuboid mess.
I understand if you like S2/3 better, but do understand that those seasons were designed to entertain sub-60 IQ monkeys while the original season had an equal amount of slapstick, lessons to be learned, and a bit of adult humour. Like the Farrah Fawcett episode where Johnny could've gotten the woman if he just hasn't been an butthole, and Farrah specifically stated that she wanted him as a date for tonight.
This argument is completely moot anyway, because the Johnny Bravo meets Scooby Doo episode is better than the entire season 2+3 of the show.
And no, Johnny got laid a shitload of times, the show only showed the parts where it was funny that he didn't.
>the Johnny Bravo meets Scooby Doo episode is better than the entire season 2+3 of the show.
It's literally just Johnny pointing out the absurdity of the formula and doing nothing of interest beyond making a pass at Daphne and the glasses mix-up with Velma.
That should be common sense, but the gorillas of Cinemaphile want to be different.
It's also painfully easy to tell they didn't properly rewatch S1 with the amount of wrong shit they get about it, or they're just compulsive liars.
The comparison is valid, but much like with Scully the Tingblad seasons can be pretty witty within the idiocies going on
The ending of the Prince and Pauper episode where Mark Twain himself begs cartoonists everywhere to let his story die and ends up chained for life for his troubles is one of the best in the series
I can meet this analogy halfway. Mike Scully seasons came after a near decade long period of some of the best writing that ever graced television at the time. Which included not just wit and hilarity to spare but also tons of genuine heart and down to earth characterizations across the board.
Thing is, Johnny Bravo never had anything even remotely approaching this prior to Tingblad. A handful of episodes can give you some Awws and Johnny's -a little- smarter, but the way some folks speak of S1, you'd think Johnny was this immaculately, three dimensionally written character of unprecedented depths that Tinglad dared dumb down just because.
Hell no. He was already an idiot in S1. Not as much as he'd later become but certainly the seeds were there, and goodness knows the overall level of the writing wasn't anything you could call sacred let alone beyond reproach. So many entries might as well star anyone in the world, with Johnny a passive stand-by to the antics of whoever Partible's staff felt like actually making funny this week. Not all entries, but enough where you can definitely see why CN sought a showrunner that'd give the show more of a defined vision and that'd inject Johnny himself with more energy to carry the show without wacky guests and other narrative gimmicks.
If S2/3 aren't some anons' cup of tea, that's perfectly valid, but putting S1 in a pedestal to put Tingblad's seasons down is biased at best and downright disingenious at worst.
At least no one's been crazy enough to pretend S4 was worth watching on the whole.
>At least no one's been crazy enough to pretend S4 was worth watching on the whole.
The problem with S4 was that Partible had plenty of time to reflect on the differences between his Johnny and Tingblad's and could have found a way to combine elements from both. Instead, he doubles down harder on the worst aspects of his run and shits all over Tingblad out of spite.
>tingbladgays
The same thing would happen to Partible's Johnny, just with his reaction being naive disbelief instead of mockery.
You are the kind of knuckle-dragging moron who insists that the original Hanna-Barbera run of Secret Squirrel was superior to Super Secret Secret Squirrel because of >m-muh based progenitor over the shallow upstarts!
Wasn't that Cryamore guy a part of the art crew on that? God, if the reboot got off the ground his ego would have pulled a Grinch and tripled in size. Nobody wants that.
Johnny Bravo was EVERYWHERE on CN's ads and bumpers during the Tingblad seasons and even gave him that short-lived JBVO call-in show. It's clear which version the network favored more, even if the fans didn't.
excluding the PPG reboots and Johnny goes bollywood? I'd say Dexters Lab, honestly I'd say after Watching Last but not Beast, go for Ego Trip
Lots of retcons, Mandark now has a hippy family, it wasn't as funny as the first 2 seasons. And is it me ore did they make Dee Dee dumber than usual even to the point she tends to make a "I'm stupid" face a lot?
Only one of these got rebooted (not counting the weird indian movie for JB)
Wrong.
DL had a several seasons after the show "ended" with Last But Not Beast and the original crew were gone. The art style and writing were completely different and much worse. I couldn't even watch it as a kid.
JB's creator was involved for the middle seasons of the show. S1 and S4 are far more surreal compared to those seasons, and the characterization is different (namely Suzie and Carl).
The real victim of losing it's creator was SpongeBob. Anything after S3 completely loses the magic. Not CN though.
*JB's creator wasn't involved
>>JB's creator wasn't involved for the middle seasons of the show
I don't see people coming to a consensus whether S1 and 4 were better or 2 and 3 though
Some prefer S1, others prefer S2&3, but only absolute contrarians will ever argue S4 is better than any of the others.
I enjoy the dynamic S2 Pops and Carl bring, but my heart will always belong S1 CHRONOS, MASTER OF ALL TIME
PPG, no contest.
Oh, true. The rest of original run was nothing spectacular, but the reboot series and the live action pilot were absolute trainwrecks.
>the live action pilot
Did it ever come out? I know the script leaked and it was terrible, but last I heard they delayed it and then it apparently disappeared off the face of the earth?
That’s probably for the best. Hopefully it just quietly fades away in its sleep.
The network promised the pilot would be retooled and that was the last we heard, so yeah, it’s probably just dead. Since then a bunch of CW shows got cancelled, and I think the new management at WB-Discovery is rethinking the CW’s place in the company.
They might attempt a live-action PPG project at some point in the future but it won’t be that one.
No news on this? I would watch it just for the cute girls
Apparently, it's still a thing.
script leaked, everyone laughed at it, chloe bennet who was playing blossom quit citing "scheduling issues" but has no upcoming projects on imdb
The reboot was too kino for this world.
this, dexter hadn't much material except the savino seasons, JB seasons argument and the bollywood but that was a 5/10 at the best, PPG ride is not even close to end
Not just the show but the entire franchise collapsed.
Sadly
True
I would rate PPG just slightly above DL. The PPG reboot is unwatchable, but so are the DL revival seasons.
JB was still fine in S2 and S3 compared to S1 and S4. Some would argue it improved, becoming less of an insane fever dream.
>JB
>worse without creator
Lmao it was better without Partible. The moment he returned to showrun season 4, the show got cancelled because fans expected season 2-3 JB
kys
Funnily enough JB killed itself when Partible returned and delivered a new level of awful despite ostensibly accruing more showrunning experience
Yeah cause the moronic tingblad seasons changed the target audience to people who like TTG
You'd think if Partible's style was the most preferred S4 would have been mana from heaven but no it just made everyone realize CN was right when they kicked his ass out
>people who loved S1 left after the show became garbage
>the only people left to watch S4 were the morons who stayed for S2-S3
>durr hurr partible flopped
S1 was successful when it was airing troony, S4 came out too late to matter
>Lmao it was better without Partible.
This.
'Original' Johnny Bravo was pretty much 'LOL, gropey man keeps getting maced in his eternal search for a pussy!'. Remake almost gave us western equivalent to Bobobo.
You're just an imbecile
Not even that. Original Johnny was mostly just "guy stands there watching wacky stuff happen and commentates".
Johnny just became another moron protagonist. Season 1 Johnny had an IQ in the high 90s range but kept fricking up due to a combination of lust and narcissism.
Unfortunately, this Johnny didn't get brought back in season 4. Like it or not, much of the show's quality can be attributed to Seth MacFarlane.
Carl is the worst voice Tom Kenny ever made. He sounds like what Spongebob sounds like to people who hate Spongebob
Seth even co-wrote a season 2 bible while S1 was airing.
https://archive.org/details/johnny-bravo-season-2-bible
If this is what we were going to get, Tingblad couldn't have gotten the reigns of the series fast enough.
One of the proposed stories in that bible was actually made into a season 4 episode (Back From The Future).
while not every idea in there is a good one(Jim Dandy would have gotten old fast as a recurring character compared to Donny Osmond just being a three time guest star), Seth did have a pretty good grasp on what makes Johnny, Bunny, and Susie work as characters, and giving Johnny some recurring love interests who actually like Johnny back to some extent in the form of Holly O'Hair and Ms Babe was a good idea that it's a shame got dropped before it could be used*
*indeed if Johnny Bravo were to be brought back it probably would be best to just give him a full time girlfriend since the whole "constantly trying to pick up chicks" part of his character would be both hard to make work in this day and age and also is the most limited in terms of what jokes one can mine from it(hence why Seasons 2 & 3 reduced the focus on that compared to Season 1)
A new season of Johnny Bravo could definitely combine the best of Season 1 and 2/3. Make him a himbo with outdated (but ultimately not bad) intentions about picking up chicks and then throw him into a variety of realistic and surreal situations.
There's nothing wrong with that character archetype. Even in the original season it had Johnny call out someone who was a pick-up artist type who only had bad intentions.
That Schoolhouse Rock episode is the one episode everyone remembers from Johnny Bravo the most, huh?
The one I think of first is actually the Christmas episode.
>Merry Christmas you pinhead, Round 2 is next year...
There was a second?
I don't think so, definitely a missed opportunity.
At the very least top 10 I'd say
>he wants to remove skirt chasing from Johnny fricking Bravo
I bet you would prefer Avatar if it didn't have magic martial arts or a journey plot.
Johnny was supposed to be a moron protagonist from the start. Did you forget the Vendela episode showing his brain being the size of a walnut? Too bad they only knew how to write a boring everyman protagonist.
Johnny being an actual horny moron is what the show was supposed to be and S3 and S4 are magnificent. They have actual characters and plots beside "Johnny meets a talking animal".
Why don't you stop lying troon
The Savino seasons of Dexter's Lab were... man, they were not good. They weren't straight-up awful, but they weren't Dexter's Lab. I think Savino just really had no idea what to do with the premise, so it wound up being kind of meandering and overall mediocre and forgettable, aside from a couple bright spots ("YOU'RE RIDIN' THAT HOG!")
Johnny Bravo I think improved a fair bit after the retool. "Loser who can't get laid" can only carry a show so far, and they used up most of that momentum in season one. Carl and Pops might not have been amazing characters, but Johnny needed more people to play off of than his mom and Susie and whatever piece of ass he was chasing that week.
The PPG reboot was straight up fricking garbage for reasons that have been covered a bajillion times.
The later PPG seasons when they changed animation styles (similar to what Foster's would use) I thought were just as lame and unfunny as Nu-Dexter.
there were also a lot of really moronic gimmick episodes, like the steampunk one
Powerpuff remained OK. I haven't watched Dexter's Lab, and I don't like stupid Johnny, so JB worsened the most. That is unless the Powerpuff reboot is counted.
The last 3 seasons of PPG weren't amazing but still alright. Craig still had some say in the scenarios and there's also the Beatles tribute as the highlight of it all.
Dexter's final seasons may as well been a different show, however.
All shit
Dexter suffered the worst, then JB with tingblad trash, PPG never had many highs to begin with
>PPG never had many highs to begin with
You and I are now enemies.
It's true though
All the fighting-heavy episodes with generic monsters are a snoozefest, there are several bad episodes in the golden era, the girls themselves are uncapable of saying anything funny, you can tell it was aimed at a younger demographic than Dexter
Meanwhile Dexter holds up amazingly with near every episode being a masterpiece
>Meanwhile Dexter holds up amazingly with near every episode being a masterpiece
Dexter's Lab during the Genndy seasons is indeed a very good show, amazingly so considering it has some of the most inconsistent characterization of any kid's show I've ever seen, show could not make up it's mind on a lot of things, particularly in regards to things like how sociable Dexter was(or how knowledgeable he was about non science matters or even sometimes about regular science rather than super science), or how smart/dumb Dee Dee was(or how mature she'd act, or how aware she was about Dexter not liking her being in the lab), so again it's surprising how little that effects the show's overall quality
>so again it's surprising how little that effects the show's overall quality
Being an episodic comedy with no continuity certainly helps, it's kinda like how FoP contradicts itself every 2 episodes
What the hell is JB doing there
Remember when Adventure Time used to the everywhere to the point of nearly overshadowing Spongebob? I remember
If it was not for the PPG reboot, it would have been DL.
PPG by a fricking mile. CN just can't resist raping its corpse.
>Which show got worse without its creator?
of those three definitely Dexter's Laboratory had the worst drop in quality, PPG* suffered a bit of decline but was still watchable for the most part, and one could make a serious argument that Johnny Bravo was actually better during the two seasons without it's creator than the two with him
*original show only, not taking any of the later revivals into account here
PPG not even a question
Johnny Bravo >> Dexter's Lab >>> squeezing a dog's anal glands >>>>> PPG
I'll admit I liked some of Savino's episodes for just how ridiculously stupid they were. JB without Partible felt like a typical show from the 2000's with its angular style and tropes. Not very charming or memorable.
Dexter when they took away the backgrounds
I'm not a mentally ill /misc/tard like you, JB was always about impressing woman
You prefer the incelshit from S2-S3, it's fine to be moronic
Lol if anything those seasons are less incel than the Partible ones because there was a wider variety of plots
>I'm not a mentally ill /misc/tard like you
And yet you said
>S1 was successful when it was airing troony
Contrarian gorilla
I still don’t understand why JBS4 turned Pop’s restaurant into a train car.
I know of one diner that’s in a repurposed train car, maybe that’s a common thing?
Diners were originally traincars they'd roll into factories for lunch.
Partible' not so subtle middle finger to Pops
Petty as hell considering what great additions both him and Carl made, Partible at least have Carl a major role once
>shits on your show
>so petty fr fr no cap
You would defend the savino seasons if genndy came back in the end to retcon that garbage
I mean Partible appreciated Carl enough to feature him in the opening of S4 and give him a major role at least once. It just boggles the mind he didn't have the same consideration for Pops considering he's such a great foil for Johnny.
I'll take Johnny actually being funny over Johnny having more down to earth qualities yet getting pushed to the side in favor of whatever celebrity Partible felt like pushing that week.
That said I do agree S1 is enjoyable overall, Seth, Butch and others did a swell job.
>I'll take Johnny actually being funny
We can't be possibly talking about S2-S3 Johnny
Oh but we are. I've been watching them in their entirety and most of those episodes hold up pretty well. Turning Johnny into a force of nature that dictates the plot with his whims is much funner than just seeing him stand there while someone else has all the fun.
S1 isn't bad overall tho. S4, now that is when they just gave up on being funny.
>S4, now that is when they just gave up on being funny.
The fairy tales episode was nice and "El Toto Guapo" had a funny twist ending though.
*El Toro Guapo
>You would defend the savino seasons if genndy came back in the end to retcon that garbage
Nah.
Please have some nuance. Savino was a hack and so was Partible. If anything, J.B.'s run would be akin to Savino getting kicked out after making the first season of Johnny Test, Genndy Tartakovsky stepping in to salvage this mess throughout the two seasons and Savino making a comeback with something even worse than the season which got him fired.
Dexter was god awful in the savino era. I don't remember how post Craig PPG fared, didn't the rain nanobot episode come from that era? That gave me a boner as a kid.
sad that Mandark's mom only appeared in the crud season of DL and as for his sister she may as well not exist
PPG easily
DL Was stilly funny
JB actually improved
Still funny?
>DL Was stilly funny
>JB actually improved
Like I said Tingbladgays are just Savinogays in disguise
Nah I fricking hate Savino but Tingblad knew what he was doing
S2-3 Bravo > S4+ of original PPG >> Savino Dexter >>> Reboot PPG
S1 Johnny Bravo was a narcissist butthole, he couldn't get chicks because he was too focused on telling them about his muscles. And half the time he got stuck in absurd surreal situations that normal people wouldn't get out of either. In some episodes, both of the above happened the same time.
S2/3 Johnny as a dumb idiot who couldn't get chicks because he was a dumb idiot. The plot revolved around him being dumb or Carl being an annoying piece of shit. Pops contributed nothing.
And the art style of S1 was better too. More rounded and soft, and Johnny could convey a billion more emotions even with his mouth not being drawn half the time. S2 turned Little Susie into this cuboid mess.
I understand if you like S2/3 better, but do understand that those seasons were designed to entertain sub-60 IQ monkeys while the original season had an equal amount of slapstick, lessons to be learned, and a bit of adult humour. Like the Farrah Fawcett episode where Johnny could've gotten the woman if he just hasn't been an butthole, and Farrah specifically stated that she wanted him as a date for tonight.
This argument is completely moot anyway, because the Johnny Bravo meets Scooby Doo episode is better than the entire season 2+3 of the show.
And no, Johnny got laid a shitload of times, the show only showed the parts where it was funny that he didn't.
>the Johnny Bravo meets Scooby Doo episode is better than the entire season 2+3 of the show.
It's literally just Johnny pointing out the absurdity of the formula and doing nothing of interest beyond making a pass at Daphne and the glasses mix-up with Velma.
>but do understand that those seasons were designed to entertain sub-60 IQ monkeys
But enough about season 4.
That should be common sense, but the gorillas of Cinemaphile want to be different.
It's also painfully easy to tell they didn't properly rewatch S1 with the amount of wrong shit they get about it, or they're just compulsive liars.
I’d compare S2&3 JB to Mike Scully’s Simpsons: more jokes and wacky situations, less brains and heart.
The comparison is valid, but much like with Scully the Tingblad seasons can be pretty witty within the idiocies going on
The ending of the Prince and Pauper episode where Mark Twain himself begs cartoonists everywhere to let his story die and ends up chained for life for his troubles is one of the best in the series
I can meet this analogy halfway. Mike Scully seasons came after a near decade long period of some of the best writing that ever graced television at the time. Which included not just wit and hilarity to spare but also tons of genuine heart and down to earth characterizations across the board.
Thing is, Johnny Bravo never had anything even remotely approaching this prior to Tingblad. A handful of episodes can give you some Awws and Johnny's -a little- smarter, but the way some folks speak of S1, you'd think Johnny was this immaculately, three dimensionally written character of unprecedented depths that Tinglad dared dumb down just because.
Hell no. He was already an idiot in S1. Not as much as he'd later become but certainly the seeds were there, and goodness knows the overall level of the writing wasn't anything you could call sacred let alone beyond reproach. So many entries might as well star anyone in the world, with Johnny a passive stand-by to the antics of whoever Partible's staff felt like actually making funny this week. Not all entries, but enough where you can definitely see why CN sought a showrunner that'd give the show more of a defined vision and that'd inject Johnny himself with more energy to carry the show without wacky guests and other narrative gimmicks.
If S2/3 aren't some anons' cup of tea, that's perfectly valid, but putting S1 in a pedestal to put Tingblad's seasons down is biased at best and downright disingenious at worst.
At least no one's been crazy enough to pretend S4 was worth watching on the whole.
>He was already an idiot in S1.
This. Even the pilot episode has Johnny outsmarted by a gorilla.
>At least no one's been crazy enough to pretend S4 was worth watching on the whole.
The problem with S4 was that Partible had plenty of time to reflect on the differences between his Johnny and Tingblad's and could have found a way to combine elements from both. Instead, he doubles down harder on the worst aspects of his run and shits all over Tingblad out of spite.
The same thing would happen to Partible's Johnny, just with his reaction being naive disbelief instead of mockery.
Go back to the cornfield
You are the kind of knuckle-dragging moron who insists that the original Hanna-Barbera run of Secret Squirrel was superior to Super Secret Secret Squirrel because of
>m-muh based progenitor over the shallow upstarts!
You already know it. Honestly, kinda glad it didn't come back, because HBO would've censored Aaron McGruder's opinions hard.
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Wasn't that Cryamore guy a part of the art crew on that? God, if the reboot got off the ground his ego would have pulled a Grinch and tripled in size. Nobody wants that.
Johnny Bravo was EVERYWHERE on CN's ads and bumpers during the Tingblad seasons and even gave him that short-lived JBVO call-in show. It's clear which version the network favored more, even if the fans didn't.
JB's ratings were at their highest in the Tingblad seasons tho
>Johnny Bravo
Roughly equal in my mind. Some will argue it got better.
>Dexter
Worse, but still had some good episodes
>PPG
Trash reboot
A better question would be: Which show got better without its creator?
JB and it's not even a contest
excluding the PPG reboots and Johnny goes bollywood? I'd say Dexters Lab, honestly I'd say after Watching Last but not Beast, go for Ego Trip
Lots of retcons, Mandark now has a hippy family, it wasn't as funny as the first 2 seasons. And is it me ore did they make Dee Dee dumber than usual even to the point she tends to make a "I'm stupid" face a lot?
MLP.
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S2 and 3 of Johnny Bravo were fun, but 1 and 4's Suzy was much cuter.
This this this. Why was she redesigned, and why was it so hideous?
Suzie's first design is way too cutesy for the tone of the Tingblad seasons. It was the right call.
Don't you ever get tired of sucking wieners
PPG. Savino's Dexter had its moments and i liked both versions of Johnny Bravo
Johnny Bravo was a direct improvement and it fell from grace as soon as he got back on board.
They all got better though
Johnny Bravo is a shit show anyways. I look and act almost exactly like him and I get laid all the time
Dexter