I love the first two but have some comicgay beef with them.
Peter in the original Ditko/Lee stories wasn't bullied just for being a poindexter nerd; part of why Spider-Man took off in the first place was that the characters were nuanced and not tropey.
Peter self-isolated because he was a hot headed butthole who thought he was better and smarter than everyone else. There's early panels of his classmates inviting him places and him being like FRICKING NORMALgayS. But he was never a DWEEB. He asks out a girl in the first frickin page. So his classmates were buttholes to him in return etc. Everyone's an butthole.
I understand the movie had to smooth it out for the cheap seats as that's how screenwriting works but I can't help but feel like there must be some way to do OG Peter on screen
>Peter in the original Ditko/Lee stories wasn't bullied just for being a poindexter nerd; part of why Spider-Man took off in the first place was that the characters were nuanced and not tropey.
If there's anything I hate the most about modern Spider-man adaptations it's how they always make Peter some pitiful meek nerd. In the comics he was honestly kind of a jerk. Flash gave him shit but he gave it just as much back if not more so. He would often just mouth off to everyone, wasn't afraid to ask out women and was generally fairly assertive. Instead of being a pathetic nerd he was someone who just liked to study for the sake of his aunt and uncle and while a decent kid had a nasty chip on hos soldier. So it's not weird that when he got powers his first thought was how to use them to get paid and it bit him in the ass.
>Peter in the original Ditko/Lee stories wasn't bullied just for being a poindexter nerd; part of why Spider-Man took off in the first place was that the characters were nuanced and not tropey.
If there's anything I hate the most about modern Spider-man adaptations it's how they always make Peter some pitiful meek nerd. In the comics he was honestly kind of a jerk. Flash gave him shit but he gave it just as much back if not more so. He would often just mouth off to everyone, wasn't afraid to ask out women and was generally fairly assertive. Instead of being a pathetic nerd he was someone who just liked to study for the sake of his aunt and uncle and while a decent kid had a nasty chip on hos soldier. So it's not weird that when he got powers his first thought was how to use them to get paid and it bit him in the ass.
All that the Lord of the Rings movies had was people walking. Literally nothing happened in them. 3 movies and 10 hours of a bunch of nerds walking towards a fricking volcano.
>Mr. Frodo I can carry it while we walk >Look Mr. Frodo the trees are walking
Wow. Awesome. Not.
STAR WARS >original idea from Lucas inspired by decades of sci fi serials, westerns, and comic books >amazing production design of hobbled together shit that creates a very real-feeling, lived-in universe >despite this it still has the chutzpah to basically run on vibes and fly by the seat of its pants >quick, fun, funny, heartfelt friday night with friends/date night/english class day before break type of blockbuster >a piece of 'normie slop' that's genuinely well written and inspired, and revered by smart people
LORD OF THE RINGS >based off books, so not an entirely original thing for the world of cinema >however, is a great adaptation of the books if you ask most people >production design is some of the best ever; filming in NZ, the practical effects etc >academics also love it, more easily revered than star wars >can watch it as a greasy nerd, as a family, on a date, as an action movie with the bros, it works for everyone
>STAR WARS >George Lucas's rip off of 1950s movie-theatre serials >A narrative mess saved in the editing suite by a team that included his own wife >A 90 minute pop-video for John William's outstanding orchestral pieces >Characters and iconography created by a creative team with Lucas only giving the yay or nay.
Calling Lucas the genius behind Star Wars is like saying that Richard Nixon put men on the moon.
>>A narrative mess saved in the editing suite by a team that included his own wife
sorry but that moronic narrative peddled by autistic manchildren has been thoroughly debunked
>sorry but that moronic narrative peddled by autistic manchildren has been thoroughly debunked
Why yes, the line taken from the documentary made for the dvd release of the trilogy is wrong. Watch this youtube video instead.
moron, ALL movies are "saved" in the editing. It's part of the process. They edited it according to the script. You can read the script and see that everything that was in the final cut, was in the exact same order in the script. They deleted some scenes for pacing and that's it. Standard shit.
The first movie alone puts it above anything else. A movie that seemed destined to fail, to the point where Lucas made a $40 million bet to Spielberg that Close Encounter of the Third kind would do better and be received better, and yet, Star Wars 1977 defied all expectations. The movie is perfectly paced, extremely comfy, a story that wraps up nicely, is not an adaptation of anything and was written from scratch, had revolutionary effects for its time, and created the blockbuster all at once. It's a legitimate 10/10. Not even mentioning The Empire Strikes Back releasing back to back which was also a 10/10. I don't think there's ever been a franchise or trilogy that could match a 10/10 back to back like that, and there never will be.
LOTR is excellent, but is by no means flawless and culturally impactful like Star Wars was. The first movie is like an 8/10, followed by Two Towers which is an 8/10, and the third movie is an 8/10. They are far more clunkier when being adapted from a book to movie format, and a lot of things are unexplained unless you read the book (why do you think there's a gajillion threads on Cinemaphile asking what the frick this character(s) or plot thread(s) #5911258 means, with a ton of posts referencing the books to explain the answer?).
Star Wars just works with the movie format easier anyway, since it was designed from the start to fit into a movie perfectly. If you want more from Star Wars, you read the old EU (and discard any modern canon or Disney shit). It works well.
Lord of the Rings is better because Jackson took all the Ewoks out of Return of the King. And no, I'm not joking. I read the book and couldn't fricking believe there was a scene where Aragon talks to an African pygmy to get vital information on how to defeat Sauron.
Read the books you fricking moron. You're missing out on the scene where Sam ponders about if he was born in the wrong body, and should he return to the shire should it be as Samdumb (the female version of the Hobbit name Samwise).
LOTR is just fantasy and nothing more. Star Wars is fantasy in space with lasers and laser swords. Star Wars wins.
Lord of the rings is not entertaining at all and I hate the setting
Can you blame it? Everything Peter Jackson does is a snorefest.
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Shut the frick up!
Star Wars obviously.
All that the Lord of the Rings movies had was people walking. Literally nothing happened in them. 3 movies and 10 hours of a bunch of nerds walking towards a fricking volcano.
>Mr. Frodo I can carry it while we walk >Look Mr. Frodo the trees are walking
Wow. Awesome. Not.
Discord raider sisters we did it! Those chuds got owned.
A New Hope's overrated. It did not age well. >Not all the effects stood the test of time. >A great deal of the acting's bad due to most of the cast not giving a frick. >The Obi-Wan vs Vader fight was total ass.
Story's good though. But if you're a young guy coming from the prequels, then you're gonna hve a problem.
Empire is where the series got gold. It still works to this day. Return has a lot of good stuff in it, but is let down by Han's characterization and the fricking Ewoks. Damn things should've been Wookies.
Star Wars had the larger cultural impact but honestly LotR are the better movies and it's not close. Fellowship alone mogs everything Star Wars has ever put out.
LOTR is far more polished, if that's what you mean by "better". Star Wars is campy, and never attempted to not be so. Only midwits tried to invent this idea that the OT were all time masterpieces rather than simple fun sci fi that were mostly carried by a fantastic score by John Williams. Space opera fits very well.
Lord of the Rings.
FPBP. It's plainly the better story, and written earlier to boot.
Fippy bippy
don't you ever post this homosexual bullshit again
what is wrong with you
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I love the first two but have some comicgay beef with them.
Peter in the original Ditko/Lee stories wasn't bullied just for being a poindexter nerd; part of why Spider-Man took off in the first place was that the characters were nuanced and not tropey.
Peter self-isolated because he was a hot headed butthole who thought he was better and smarter than everyone else. There's early panels of his classmates inviting him places and him being like FRICKING NORMALgayS. But he was never a DWEEB. He asks out a girl in the first frickin page. So his classmates were buttholes to him in return etc. Everyone's an butthole.
I understand the movie had to smooth it out for the cheap seats as that's how screenwriting works but I can't help but feel like there must be some way to do OG Peter on screen
>Peter in the original Ditko/Lee stories wasn't bullied just for being a poindexter nerd; part of why Spider-Man took off in the first place was that the characters were nuanced and not tropey.
If there's anything I hate the most about modern Spider-man adaptations it's how they always make Peter some pitiful meek nerd. In the comics he was honestly kind of a jerk. Flash gave him shit but he gave it just as much back if not more so. He would often just mouth off to everyone, wasn't afraid to ask out women and was generally fairly assertive. Instead of being a pathetic nerd he was someone who just liked to study for the sake of his aunt and uncle and while a decent kid had a nasty chip on hos soldier. So it's not weird that when he got powers his first thought was how to use them to get paid and it bit him in the ass.
Based real Spidey fans.
I've been reading comics for a very long time and it's very frustrating to see the character constantly so trivialized.
Don't know why they felt the need to make Spider-Man black in the third one.
Sorry, wrong image again.
Star Wars obviously.
All that the Lord of the Rings movies had was people walking. Literally nothing happened in them. 3 movies and 10 hours of a bunch of nerds walking towards a fricking volcano.
>Mr. Frodo I can carry it while we walk
>Look Mr. Frodo the trees are walking
Wow. Awesome. Not.
Can you blame it? Everything Peter Jackson does is a snorefest.
Shut the frick up!
>Wow. Awesome. Not.
go back
You never see vader break into a jog the entire trilogy
Back to the Future. All other trilogies are too flawed.
Hard choice. Let's lay it out.
STAR WARS
>original idea from Lucas inspired by decades of sci fi serials, westerns, and comic books
>amazing production design of hobbled together shit that creates a very real-feeling, lived-in universe
>despite this it still has the chutzpah to basically run on vibes and fly by the seat of its pants
>quick, fun, funny, heartfelt friday night with friends/date night/english class day before break type of blockbuster
>a piece of 'normie slop' that's genuinely well written and inspired, and revered by smart people
LORD OF THE RINGS
>based off books, so not an entirely original thing for the world of cinema
>however, is a great adaptation of the books if you ask most people
>production design is some of the best ever; filming in NZ, the practical effects etc
>academics also love it, more easily revered than star wars
>can watch it as a greasy nerd, as a family, on a date, as an action movie with the bros, it works for everyone
Can't pick. They're both amazing.
>STAR WARS
>George Lucas's rip off of 1950s movie-theatre serials
>A narrative mess saved in the editing suite by a team that included his own wife
>A 90 minute pop-video for John William's outstanding orchestral pieces
>Characters and iconography created by a creative team with Lucas only giving the yay or nay.
Calling Lucas the genius behind Star Wars is like saying that Richard Nixon put men on the moon.
>>A narrative mess saved in the editing suite by a team that included his own wife
sorry but that moronic narrative peddled by autistic manchildren has been thoroughly debunked
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>sorry but that moronic narrative peddled by autistic manchildren has been thoroughly debunked
Why yes, the line taken from the documentary made for the dvd release of the trilogy is wrong. Watch this youtube video instead.
moron, ALL movies are "saved" in the editing. It's part of the process. They edited it according to the script. You can read the script and see that everything that was in the final cut, was in the exact same order in the script. They deleted some scenes for pacing and that's it. Standard shit.
As a Star Wars fan Id have to say LOTR
Lord of the rings is not entertaining at all and I hate the setting
Star Wars
7/10, 8/10, 6/10
LotR
8/10, 9/10, 8/10
Star Wars easily.
The first movie alone puts it above anything else. A movie that seemed destined to fail, to the point where Lucas made a $40 million bet to Spielberg that Close Encounter of the Third kind would do better and be received better, and yet, Star Wars 1977 defied all expectations. The movie is perfectly paced, extremely comfy, a story that wraps up nicely, is not an adaptation of anything and was written from scratch, had revolutionary effects for its time, and created the blockbuster all at once. It's a legitimate 10/10. Not even mentioning The Empire Strikes Back releasing back to back which was also a 10/10. I don't think there's ever been a franchise or trilogy that could match a 10/10 back to back like that, and there never will be.
LOTR is excellent, but is by no means flawless and culturally impactful like Star Wars was. The first movie is like an 8/10, followed by Two Towers which is an 8/10, and the third movie is an 8/10. They are far more clunkier when being adapted from a book to movie format, and a lot of things are unexplained unless you read the book (why do you think there's a gajillion threads on Cinemaphile asking what the frick this character(s) or plot thread(s) #5911258 means, with a ton of posts referencing the books to explain the answer?).
Star Wars just works with the movie format easier anyway, since it was designed from the start to fit into a movie perfectly. If you want more from Star Wars, you read the old EU (and discard any modern canon or Disney shit). It works well.
LOTR is just fantasy and nothing more. Star Wars is fantasy in space with lasers and laser swords. Star Wars wins.
Star Wars is just space fantasy and nothing more. LOTR is the granddaddy of fantasy with a fantastic theme and setting. LOTR wins.
Star Wars is just knock off Kurosawa and text book Joseph Campbell.
Rush Hour 1, 2, and 3.
Lord of the Rings is better because Jackson took all the Ewoks out of Return of the King. And no, I'm not joking. I read the book and couldn't fricking believe there was a scene where Aragon talks to an African pygmy to get vital information on how to defeat Sauron.
>where Aragon talks to an African pygmy
wtf, I thought there were no blacks in Middle Earth. Did Cinemaphilegays lie to me?
Read the books you fricking moron. You're missing out on the scene where Sam ponders about if he was born in the wrong body, and should he return to the shire should it be as Samdumb (the female version of the Hobbit name Samwise).
If you can't tell the answer for yourself then you will never be cultured.
Star Wars isn't a trilogy, so Lord of the Rings wins by default.
>Star Wars
>3 extremely watchable films
>Lord of the Rings
>0 watchable films
Discord raider sisters we did it! Those chuds got owned.
A New Hope's overrated. It did not age well.
>Not all the effects stood the test of time.
>A great deal of the acting's bad due to most of the cast not giving a frick.
>The Obi-Wan vs Vader fight was total ass.
Story's good though. But if you're a young guy coming from the prequels, then you're gonna hve a problem.
Empire is where the series got gold. It still works to this day. Return has a lot of good stuff in it, but is let down by Han's characterization and the fricking Ewoks. Damn things should've been Wookies.
Still waiting for Adywan's HD version of ANH:Revisted. That and RotJ.
Star Wars had the larger cultural impact but honestly LotR are the better movies and it's not close. Fellowship alone mogs everything Star Wars has ever put out.
LOTR is far more polished, if that's what you mean by "better". Star Wars is campy, and never attempted to not be so. Only midwits tried to invent this idea that the OT were all time masterpieces rather than simple fun sci fi that were mostly carried by a fantastic score by John Williams. Space opera fits very well.