Who are your top 3 comics creators? Mine are (from least favorite to most):
3. Evan Dorkin
2. Ramon Villalobos
1. Alex Di Campi
Who are your top 3 comics creators? Mine are (from least favorite to most):. 3. Evan Dorkin. 2. Ramon Villalobos. 1.
Who are your top 3 comics creators? Mine are (from least favorite to most):
3. Evan Dorkin
2. Ramon Villalobos
1. Alex Di Campi
Simon furman, alan moore, robert kirkman
Don Rosa
Romano Scarpa
Carl Barks
I cant believe that you CG freaks were so annoying that you got your twitter rage threads deleted in under a week. Oh wait, no, I can believe it.
>threads deleted in under a week
Why hello tourist how are you
3. Jaime Hernandez
2. Guilbert Hernandez
1. Chris Ware
Ahh what the hell I'll do more, nobody will ever see this thread anyway
15. David Mack
14. Charles Burns
13. Scott McCloud
12. Barry Windsor-Smith
11. Stan Sakai
10. Bill Watterson
9. Dan Clowes
8. Mike Mignola
7. Frank Miller
6. Wendy Pini
5. Don Rosa
4. Dave Sim
Chris Ware really? His comics read like a visual dictionary / infographics.
I like what I like
I can't accept that, I'm chancing it to Richard Corben.
Gary Groth go home.
It ain't me, fool
I respect you having Beto over Xaimeh
Ethan van Sciver
Warren Ellis
Ed Piskor
Red Room was one of the most thought provoking underground comics I've ever read, X-Men Grand Design was genius, can't wait to find out what he has next on the pipeline.
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>Ramon Villalobos
Why?? His art is terrible.
This is a not very stealth comics kayfabr thread, or trying to be. All three of those people were in the dude's suicide note.
Jack Kirby, Mitsuteru Yokoyama, not sure about #3
I really found this comic interesting. It's about a local celebrity having a secret come out and finding he had no other option but to end it all.
Lmao that's like what happened to Ed Piskor
Remember when they reviewed a Gerard Jones comic and Ed insisted that the truth comes out in fiction?
I wonder if it was like that. Ed was suicidal and this was the excuse to bring him over.
These allegations have been going for months on r comicbooks. People would just casually mention and they don't appeared to be the vindictive lynching mob types since they were so random. He must have searched himself. The whole thing is very bizarre.
This UFO book looks awesome, just when I thought I was out...they pull me back in.
It reminds me of how when the Louis CK thing ramped up, Sarah Silverman came out and said "yeah he likes to jerk off in front of me, it's whatever". So it was common but it just took two women to really make it an issue.
Ed liking to DM women and being awkward around them was a known thing but most of the women just kinda shrugged it off and didn't think much of it, then one post gets traction and everything comes tumbling down.
Oh, yeah. Pulling your dick out in front of random people and start jerking it is just mad banter. Fricking women always being drama queens.
In Hollywood that's pretty tame.
That makes it ok, I guess.
No, it just makes Sarah's reaction understandable.
Don't get me wrong, most women would freak out if it was out of nowhere like that, but I think the point I'm getting it is that Louis CK got so brainfried because no one really called him out on it for years. So hr started believing it was something he could get away with. When reality hit him in the face, I think he was still grounded enough that he could course correct and snap out of it and face the consequences.
Where as Ed got so locked into living in his head that he couldn't take the sudden blowback
Fair enough and yeah, that's how things like this snowball and why it's important to try and remain grounded and in touch with reality. Whether it's celebrity or just the e-bubbles we create for ourselves nowadays, it's just too easy to lose touch and go down any insane rabbit holes that would look completely insane from the outside.
It’s even funnier that he openly talked about jerking off in front of consenting women on an Opie and Anthony appearance in the mid 2000s. It wasn’t a secret. He talked about it on live radio.
I think what gets me is that Dorkin is sincere through what he said but others were trying to dodge or deflect. Protip: doing messages about how mental health is important and then immediately switching to going on the attack against Piskor is real sus. So is rando accounts going after Piskor's family. It's like some of the CG people performatively angry at Jim Rugg. CG and anti-CG Clique all have "We're All Trying to Find the Guy Who Did This" energy
>People would just casually mention and they don't appeared to be the vindictive lynching mob types since they were so random.
This shit was mostly inside arguments between creators than from the fanbase, but have you paid NO attention?
I am absolutely sure that people are just whipping it out in hollywood RIGHT NOW.
YES. But I'm a card carrying, affected ZERO by covid registered autismo who no longer faps to humanoid figures. It also brought me from the brink of becoming a Rusty Brown, and I will always thank him for that.
Anyone can search on reddit and read them and make their own mind, the comments are too sparse to be connected.
Sure, but I'd keep in mind that after Piskor's death, people have been scrubbing their shit.
I though it was all him. Red Room was a COVID work, so he was locked in focused on shit.
No. It's roughly the comics equivalent of the hollywood ME TOO, and it was named by the advocates of it. See also the shit with the milkshakes. Warren Ellis. Neil Gaiman.
>this stuff is mainly youtube drama whoring over whatever petty beef e-celebs have with random people.
I'd say it's 30 percent youutbe drama whoring. I strongly suggest you ignore this thread any any thread about the topic.
>Ed was suicidal
There was probably something else going on for him to take such a decision so quickly
One of those isn't like the others. Get off the CG gravy, it's bad for you.
>People want Evan to kill himself for the crime of saying "Comics creators are irresponsible, shit sucks. Also, stop dogpiling."
I don't get you people.
Not your personal army
damn she's kinda hot for a murderer...
I have no idea the context of that picture (how old it is, if its even her), but here is what Alex Di Campi looks like
that's a bad picture with no make-up...idk
They're all bad pictures
She's just ugly, dude.
Most women look like monsters without make-up. They age much worse than men.
Reminder to stay the frick away from women who look like this.
She looks like Sean Penn in mid-belch.
IS THAT MY DAHTAAHHHHHHHHHH
OP pic is indeed Di Campi, it's just a professional picture from a promotional shoot in which she is wearing heavy makeup.
Are you sure that's not a slightly younger Christopher Walken
Would.
Dave Sim
Chester Brown
Steve Ditko
At least Dorkin admitted how things have gone too far.
Did Campi or Villalobos say anything or just deleted their posts and pretend it all didn't happen?
Dorkin came out against the piling on right away. Also, he has made some great comics.
Putting him at the same level as the other two is either culture wars brainrot, CG whitewashing around how they reacted to Piskor's drama or both.
Dorkin is the only one out of those named who took responsibility for his own words and genuinely remorseful (which he didn't have to be), which I can't say for the rest. It is odd that the people doing the blame game right now haven't figured out that, especially the ones still lumping him in with the rest of the list.
They aren't interested in justice. They just want "wokies" to kill themselves. The fact that Ed called him out is what matters, not what Evan actually said.
Don't be stupid anon, and don't take us for fricking morons. Cinemaphile has been attacked in a deplatforming attempt by some of the people involved here. There's a reason why you need bitcoin to buy ads and passes here.
I suppose there's some giga morons who would go on a single testimony, but wait, we already HAD that when frickheads were going to Ed's family's house.
This is schizo ramble nonsense that has nothing to do with the fact that we're talking about a guy who just whines about nerds being cringe sometimes while acknowledging he is also a cringe nerd.
Villa apologized, but still acted like an ass because he's like that. I don't like him as a person, but he clearly does mean it. He's just stupid and obnoxious. Evan feels like Ed had a more personal beef, because there's no sense in calling him out. Or maybe he just felt the guy was most likely to actually kill himself. The letter is really spiteful.
Outside of Alex de campi and Ramon, the people he chose to call out barely made sense, and non of them had daily streams shitting on him like EVS who was entirely absent from his note.
It's unfortunate people are taking his note for gospel when it's clear he was searching is name on twitter and getting distressed over posts with like 10 likes. The loss of the show was a huge blow for sure, and the wording on the abrams deal is vague but he still seemed confident he could sell it.
The guy he calls out for saying "kill shot" was a guy who replied(didn't even post the original post) to a post saying "Ed Piskor is wiggety wack". That's like calling someone out for saying "got eem". Using a shitpost as a reason to die, for frick's sake.
He didn't call out the comicsgate fricks because they wouldn't care. The note is designed to hurt as many people as possible/get at people he actually felt betrayed by.
I feel awful saying it, but the way some of his relatives are wielding his death is really shitty, too. I have to wonder if his home life was completely ok even before his family got doxxed and harassed.
Yeah but why call out guys with like 40 likes tops? It doesn't sound calculated, it sounds like the words got to him when he was vulnerable and they stuck in his head. It does seem he avoided the Comcisgate crowd in general so he couldn't just not registered those videos and was more worried about the crowds he was running in.
As far as his family, I think it's just that they're kind off outsiders to the scene and are full of anger that this happened in the first place. So they're lashing out at the people he named and calling for repentance because they feel that's what he wanted. It's a stereotype..but they're pittsburgh townies, of course they're going to be hostile over what they feel if people on the internet pressuring their brother to kill himself.
I doubt anyone here could handle someone leveling those types of allegations at them, losing multiple jobs over the course of a few days, then to top it off, having your supposed best bud cut professional ties with you, not knowing what is going to come down the pike next, some psycho fire-bombing your house or taking a shot at you when you're walking home from the store?
The label of pedo isn't an easy one to carry.
I saw multiple posts calling for the guy's head because he had been talking to "multiple underage girls".
The misinformation being floated that week was thermonuclear.
You can't judge anyone for being uber paranoid or freaking the frick out until you've walked in their shoes.
I can't imagine that shit.
>having your supposed best bud cut professional ties with you
He went to talk with him first, that's probably why Jim took so long to make that statement, where he made clear the ties he was cutting were "professional". I wouldn't be surprised if they had talked about that before Jim's post.
In the note he said words hurt. Don't revise everything. They did not talk about it.
Literally what Ed said in his letter was
>Cartoonist Kayfabe ends with Jimmy’s “shocking revelations” statement (those words hurt).
"Those words hurt" as in seeing it in-print and the realization hurt.
I get where the anger comes from. I'd be pissed too. His bro is just being kinda weird about it. I can't judge harshly, it just makes me wonder if things were ok before all this.
Evan Dorkin was someone he was in contact with outside of social media. I assume that the others are people he knows in some form even if they were people with 40 likes.
Alex De Campi used to do a plug for Piskor's work a long while back.
No, Piskor didn't call out comicsgate because comicsgate was irrelevant to his life and career.
Ethan Van Sciver not liking Ed Piskor and doing daily livestreams about how much CG hates Ed Piskor would actually be a POSITIVE for Ed Piskor.
Look at how everyone from Mark Waid to Heather Antos to various D-listers seemed to become unfireable after becoming known as CG targets.
Those people like Daryl Ayo are all "whisper network" people whose bad behavior has been known for many years.
They weren't just chipping in two weeks ago to say something snotty on Twitter. They had been dogging Piskor for years and shading him every chance they got.
For example, it didn't matter that dozens of actual hip-hop legends took pictures with Piskor and his comics, Daryl Ayo and others like him would still look for opportunities to call Piskor a "culture vulture".
To be clear, I didn't even like Piskor and I think his whole persona was too much of an act.
But he leaned on that act because of his shyness and insecurity.
I also think that Piskor didn't even take enough responsibility for his actions.
He's not no one. He's the Czar of Correct Opinions on Race as far as the whisper network is concerned.
Comicsgate is full of buttholes and psychopaths, but if you search back on YouTube I'm pretty sure you can find Daryl Ayo getting Jon Malin unpersoned from Marvel for being a Republican.
Again: Jon Malin is an butthole; that isn't the point.
3. Dave Sim
2. Jack Kirby
1. Alan Moore
>and I think his whole persona was too much of an act.
>But he leaned on that act because of his shyness and insecurity.
You know what though? The whole persona thing was far more interesting than most shy, introverted nerd types who just come off as dull and have no sense of style or charisma whatsoever. I appreciated it, even if it was cringey.
Is whisper network the new catch all term for turning "people are saying mean things about me" into "this is a global conspiracy by a shadowy elite cabal specifically targeting me?" This isn't Metal Gear Solid. I'm starting to suspect this stuff is mainly youtube drama whoring over whatever petty beef e-celebs have with random people.
That's just a different way of phrasing the point I was making: he chose people he could actually hurt.
Not the same. CG are buttholes, but they're also completely fricking irrelevant when it comes to the dollars side, and would have no ability to affect him on the biz side. He had no problem feuding with them previously. If he felt they were culpable, why wouldn't he name them?
I would bet my dragon dildo that the dude is in the thread now.
Darryl himself didn’t call Ed a culture vulture and liked Hip Hop Family Tree - some time ago Ramon dug out Ayo’s tweet about liking it and tried to dunk on him and Darryl told him to stfu. He’s also commended Ed’s drawing skills
>For example, it didn't matter that dozens of actual hip-hop legends took pictures with Piskor and his comics, Daryl Ayo and others like him would still look for opportunities to call Piskor a "culture vulture".
I think this was the main reason so many came and destroyed him. Here he was Ed Piskor this pasty little wigger nerd hanging out with hip hop and comic legends, people these fricks would never get a chance to even breath the same air with yet this creep whom they look down on gets to; UNACCEPTABLE. It's a shame too because Ed could DRAW, I only really started looking at his work after his death cuz Red Room put me off and goddamn that was a mistake I missed out on so much. This entire thing was a shitshow of jealous talentless hack fricks finally getting a chance to strike true on their better instead of improving their own lot
The hilarity of CA types crowing about cultural appropriation, and seeing people like Chuck D and Ice Cube's responses to Ed.
I actually don't know what went down between him and Ed, but he's been a shit flinging jerkwad who's art runs on rage pretty much his entire life. It's what I liked about his work.
>I dunno if he did anything but FRICK HIM ANYWAY!
How Eltingville-esque.
Did I say FRICK HIM ANYWAYS? There's enough vitriol without you making shit up.
>How Eltingville-esque.
ABSOLUTELY.
I love how leftists like you can't see when they're clearly the bad guys in this particular situation
>You're a leftist
Strike one.
>You're the bad guy for noting that Piskor and his family have more venom than usual
Strike two.
OK troony
>Y-you're trans!
Strike three.
You gotta stop projecting, anon.
That's because most of them deleted their tweets. Now they claim they just called him out for inappropriate behaviour and double down.
Even before they were deleted, they barely got any engagement.
Comics aren't a small pond they are a puddle. These people might be getting small engagement online but they all talk and network which influences companies.
That's a stupid lie.
Almost none of them hit100 likes. And 100 likes is nothing
>simping this hard
>trying to blame the right wing nuts
Nobody cares or listens to those guys, he mentioned the left morons because they actually have power and this is not the first time they have done this
This post is Ramon, another Campi simp or one of the Mollys simps
than why can't any of them get comics work themselves?
>Having any thoughts beyond the need for everyone named to kill themselves makes you a simp
Ok
Really? I didn't get the impression villa meant it at all.
I'd like to think he didn't because I hate his guts, but it reads like a guy who feels bad but is so self-important he needs to clarify how right he still is. Maybe I'm wrong and he's just full of shit.
It was a piss poor apology but I don't think anyone takes the cake more than De Campi with her b***hing behind a locked profile
That's the part I don't get, every post she's been making is actually making her look worse to everyone outside of her clique.
It's ironic because she accused the Terketa tweeter of being Ed's alt account and everyone was laughing how it seemed Ed was going out of control and should've laid low. Well now she's the one looking like she's out of control and should've laid low instead of doing multiple digs this week under her protected accounts with her name on it.
She strikes me as a control freak who can't control shit anymore and she can't handle it. She has her little cult who would defend anything she does but every new post she does look worse than the next. It's been amazing to see some of the bigger name creators come out and talk about the lynch mob she has been running. Her cult is lashing out at them but to normal folks this looks insanely cruel and it all goes back to her.
Well, if he shows his face at any comicon, he ABSOLUTELY will be asked about it in the future in person, and I guarantee people are asking about it online.
He'll have his entire lifetime to show how he feels, and so far, I think it's showing he got exactly what he wanted.
Like Me Too but for comics. They post here, but definitely want Cinemaphile canceled.
>Villa apologized
He didn't, he was sorry that Ed's death is going to traumatize Molly Wright or something
She backpedaled and cutesy spoke about how all she posted was one Simpsons meme that didn't even mention him.
Her FB is all cat and dog pics and begging for Amazon reviews, while she reserves her Twitter and other socials for her other bullshit
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Impeccable taste.
Epic. Truly epic.
This is a good decision.
I actually like Dorkin though. Sorry to see him involved in this and in the same sentence as these people.
What is with dorks obsession with Not Frank Quitely recently?
do you live under a rock
People tried to help Ed but I think nothing short of locking him in a safe room would've saved him.
This is a dumb fricking way to have this conversation
WHO THE FRICK IS DARRYL AYO BRATHWAITE
literally no one. He just posted the wrong thing at the wrong time for the wrong eyes in a wrong state of mind to see.
He was part of the Comics Alliance crew who led the charge in homosexualing up the industry back before most of you were born
Comics alliance is after my time
Me too anon. My condolences.
Incorrect. He posted plenty of other tweets about Piskor besides the "kill shot" one, including harping about Ed's "sock puppet" account. Everyone in indie comics knows who he is and what he does: sit in front of the computer all day long trying to cancel people so he can feel like a tough guy.
He's Di Campi's lapdog.
Most I can find on him is that he did some indie comics a while back and hasn't done anything notable since. I guess he just posts frequently on twitter? It's bizarre to see a name of a virtual nobody who couldn't be part of "the industry" in whatever way you define it get singled out. This is like holding a grudge at a cashier who was rude to you one time.
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Yeah, Ed was definitely telling on himself with this.
>"intense control freak mentality"
>"these kinds of folk would never allow themselves to be taken into custody"
>"It'd be a fate worse than death and some chose the latter."
The only problem was that Ed wasn't a Mr Rogers guy like in the comic. He drew snuff comics for a living.
I think Ed had a self aggrandizing view of himself. Or he did some REALLY bad shit and didn't want to face those accusations when they came to light.
>If an artist isn't heckin wholesome that means he's evil and it's okay to ruin his life
At best he was a divisive character where some really liked him while others couldn't stand his character or work. No one at the Kubert School mentioned him even though he was always mentioning them, his shoot guests 90% didn't mention. The only people with some reach who are still talking about this are the youtube grifters and his family who are trying to make a positive effort in rebranding him.
Are you really going down that route? Really?
I don't think Ed had some dark secret or actually hurt people(beyond just being annoying is pestering), but the story does have some disturbing parallels to what ended up happening. Down to the character being a local Pittsburgh celebrity.
This is what Dave Sim calls comic book metaphysics
That’s just life influencing the artist. It happens to every artist. Does Sim mean that creating comics is a magical act that actually brings what’s on the page into reality? Like how Alan Moore claimed to see Constantine in a sandwich shop?
Sort of. You should read The Strange Death of Alex Raymond, he goes into great detail about this.
Much like how a director's leading man is an idealized version of themselves, a comic creator draws elements from himself in the stories they tell.
Gotta read Strange Death of Alex Raymond in it's entirety, I was following the early bits in Glamourpuss
YES.
I think it's less that he had dark secrets(they probably amount to just flirting badly in DMs), and just the fact that the image he had, both as a cool guy and an upwardly mobile, always on the grind cartoonist, was in danger of being compromised. the risk of losing deals and connections as well- though it's unclear just what he lost in terms of business besides the show. The way he said it, he had people reach out to him but didn't trust them because he just felt he was going to be exiled. It's hard to tell if they would've stuck around if he had lived, but given the outpouring of support for him who knows? It's like he was going off a feeling.
It's an unfortunate thing but there are parallels to be drawn. Ed felt like suicide was what a person in the position of losing their reputation would do, The character doesn't even struggle with the idea much, he immediately decides to off himself. It has an unfortunate look into what his thoughts might've been like
The show was postponed, it wasn't canceled, of course one thing can lead to the other but that's the wording they went with at the time.
Suicide was clearly an obsession of his, now his whole career is gonna become a Jack Cole quagmire of ominous hints.
Who does his lettering? It's really, really good.
3. Grant Morrison
2. Terry Moore
1. Brian K. Vaughan
Kirby
Fox
Morrison
Paul Chadwick
Terry Moore
Matt Wagner
The Holy Cure-For-Insomnia Trinity.
>some chud groomer an heroed
>I'm supposed to cry about it
My top creators would be, in no order:
1- Jean Giraud
2- Gir
3- Moebius
1. (20th Century) Frank Miller
2. John Wagner
3. Jim Steranko
4. Mike Baron
5. Keith Giffen
6. Bill Sienkiewicz
7. Chuck Dixon
8. P. Craig Russell
9. Barry Windsor-Smith
10. Bernie Wrightson
11. Alan Grant
12. (pre-1994) Howard Chaykin
13. Timothy Truman
14. Mike Grell
15. Michael Fleisher
If they worked on something then you knew it was almost always going to be amazing.
1. Alan Moore
>Watchmen, From Hell, LoEG I and II, Miracleman, Swamp Thing, Captain Britain, For the Man Who Has Everything, Top Ten (including Smax), Tom Strong, Supreme, A Small, Killing, V for Vendetta, Tales of the Green Lantern Corps, Promethea, Halo Jones, Greyshirt, A Disease of Language
2. Frank Miller
>The Dark Knight Returns, Batman: Year One, Daredevil: Born Again, Elektra: Assassin, Sin City, Ronin, Give Me Liberty, Hard Boiled, Daredevil (original run), Wolverine, Elektra Lives Again, Daredevil: Love and War
3. Moebius
>The Airtight Garage and other Major Grubert stories, The World of Edena, The Incal, The Long Tomorrow, The Horny Goof, Arzach
>Steranko, Chaykin, Truman
Nice.
Why? Jaime's better.
>Why? Jaime's better.
Because so many gravitate towards Jaime. Even the recent L&R documentary somewhat shafted Beto in comparison to Jaime
You wouldn’t attribute that to Jaime being a better interviewee?
No? Beto knows how to tell a story
So does Jaime.
Not your army
Hoping Villalobos and De Campi die soon or lose everything they have. I'm whatever about Dorkin.
No frick Dorkin too that c**t has had it coming for a while.
Yeah, frick that guy for...
Uh....
What did Dorkin do? I know he put out one tweet criticizing Ed or something but it seemed pretty light compared to the other shit that was going down. I didn't know if it was a long running feud or something.
Jaime Hernandez, Simon Hanselmann, and Gilbert Hernandez.
It makes me sad to know Heidi MacDonald plays such a large role in the murderous whisper network. She was a big part of Disney Adventures magazine in the 90s. It seems surreal that such an innocent childhood thing could have been made by someone so toxic and horrific.
What'd she do? Because it sounds like you're just making vague associations.
>R. Crumb
>Wally Wood
> E.C. Seggar
wtf is a "whisper network"?
group of gossipy hens in in the comics industry conspiring to get people cancelled
Not your army, OP
Cinemaphile is not your personal army.
Who's head is that meant to be? Looks too attractive to be one of the cancel pigs.
its by James Edward Clark, he made it for Ed when he was working on Red Room
They gave his comic a good review one of their episodes so he sent them art as a "thanks"
Cancel pigs
It’s so weird seeing people b***h about de campi bc I follow her and only saw the vaguest shit about this. I at least remember a few posts from like Villalobos about him
I'm sure she doesn't post up her assassination orders on twitter anon...
Ed worked for her?
what?
Why would you follow her? She is awful. Even before all of this.
Not your army.