Children cannot defeat Irk. Dib is just a spaz that he fails to even beat Zim, their worst invader who's not even an invader because he's been banished to be a fast-food worker.
Zim is the most dangerous of the Irken. Their problem is that they utilize him wrong. Put him in a Deathwatch or Arbiter esque role or something and chuck him at a problem.
I agree. Zim is clearly loyal to a fault to the Irken Empire. All Red and Purple have to do is send him to any planet they want to destroy and he will do it. The issue is that they want to invade the planets with him and not destroy them.
The bigger issue is Zim sees HIMSELF as an invader. His ego is too big for him to accept any mission short of what he thinks he deserves.
If the Tallest told him "go destroy this plant" he'd just start arguing with them and trying to convince them that by "destroy" they mean "invade and conquer".
Even if they got him to go to the planet he'd probably start trying and failing to conquer it instead because he'd think that would impress the Tallest.
Irken society values invaders (and height). Invaders don't mindlessly destroy planets, they divide and conquer them. The issue is that Zim does not have enough self awareness or self control to understand this. As a result, he can't do his job.
I wonder if this is a failing of the Irken society or of Zim? He's supposed to be taught how to do this but can't be contained. He could invade Earth in one day if he focused on what invading really is. Dib is just a kid and could not stop him if he actually did his job.
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A failure of Zim. It's consistent behavior of him. Prior to being an invader he was a scientist and when someone on his team created an infinite energy machine, he invented an infinite energy eating monster that grew powerful and ate one of the previous Tallests.
High intelligence and skill is Zim, but his wisdom is in the negatives
As much as I love the Imperium, I have to agree and say that the Necrons are probably more equipped to btfo other Galactic Empires once they get their shit together. Frickers have broken powers like time manipulation.
>get their shit together
With all the things I've read in their books, I think this is as likely to happen as orks becoming a peaceful race, the hate a lot of them feel for each other is crushing, if wasn't for the C'tan they wouldn't work together, entire tomb worlds fall because a rival wakes up first, not to mention situations like in the Ithakas dynasty
If the Infinite and the Divine has taught me anything about Necrons, its that they are petty motherfrickers that would destroy entire planets just to mildly inconvenience their rivals.
Unless the Silent King returns and restores order, I don't think the Necrons are ever gonna be unified.
Even then I don't know how much he would be able to control, I haven't read about it yet, but I've heard Imotekh, and probably a few others, wouldn't need much to rebel against the silent king
If I am picking just one person? Nono can handle Amphibia and The Gems no problem. The Irkens running on cartoon logic are the only things that realistically pose a threat to her, and even then she has such overwhelming firepower that this should be within her abilities.
For those who don't know the source, Buster Machines are weapons that were made to defend humanity from horrifyingly powerful space monsters, and humanity's tech level grows by leaps and bounds between iterations due to relativistic time delays. Buster Machine Three deleted 60% of the Milky Way Galaxy as an area denial tactic. Which didn't actually stop the space monsters, so the war kept going.
Nono is Buster Machine *Seven*.
That actually, legitimately wouldn't work against Homeworld or the Irkens. Nukes are embarrassingly low tier weapons when you have FTL travel and can wipe a continent off of the map in an industrial accident.
I don't disagree, but on paper Homeworld is frighteningly powerful. The things their technology can do is extremely strong. They just don't use it optimally because its a kids show, not a video game being played to win.
If you take off the 'its a kids show' gloves, Homeworld kicks a tremendous amount of ass. If you leave the kids show gloves on, your nuke can never actually go off because thats against the rating. Its a lose-lose.
Would work fricking wonders against the Homeworld. Remember, far past the point of developing warp technology and perfecting terraforming they were still terrified of the weapon bismuth made, which was essentialy a beeg pointy version of what we use to stun cattle in a slaughterhouse. They are laughably weak to ballistics and explosive weapons. The blast from a well placed nuke should at the very least shatter a good number of gems if for no other reason than the massive amount of debris sent flying by the blast.
SU gems have FTL travel but aside from that, the rest of their military technology is laughably useless and the entire species at large is cartoonishly incompetent in every way.
anyone who can near FTL can wipe out pretty much any celestial object. that goes both for the heroes and villains. the fricking planet express could btfo the death star if it hit it at lightspeed.
>Irken get fricked up overall. Funny enough Zim might be their Isaac Clarke in a sense since he is likely already too insane to be affected. The empire would get fricked though >Newts would try to harness the marker like they did with the gems. It'd go horribly wrong as usual >The gems take the marker for study and are potentially driven insane. Could frick them hard depending on their approach to the marker
>>The gems take the marker for study and are potentially driven insane. Could frick them hard depending on their approach to the marker
I'd argue that the Gems have noting to fear from the Marker. The Marker signal changes brain chemistry to perpetuate itself and warps biological material to produce necromorphs to harvest biomass for critical mass. Gems, as completely non-biological beings, are an out of context problem for the Markers. They don't have brains, so the signal is denied is assumed vector of infection. They have no biomass, so even if the signal DID affect them there is no way for it to generate Necromorphs and proceed the plan. Worst case scenario basically comes down to the gems finding the Markers weirdly cool and building more markers as art installations, unaware of their true purpose. Convergence never happens while the gems are around but they keep making landmines that will be super dangerous if organic life ever finds them in a million years.
Its comes down to if its mind frickery would still work on them. If so then it'd drive em nuts fairly quickly. If nothing else it could turn them into a force to produce more markers to spread
We never see Marker signal affect computers, which is essentially what Gems are. I see no reason why they would be in danger.
Eh I dont think it is that simple and we never had it interact with non bio aliens before although it did frick with machinery (though again through organic fleshy shit)
That said if by "Necromorphs" we are including the forces and Brethren Moons then yeah they'd get fricked. I wouldnt be surprised if most gems would have a panic attack fighting em
The flood MIGHT be able to take on the Irkens. Flood infection forms first take over the CNS of an organism, flood super cells take over all biomass of an organism, but generally need to get into the body in some way, usually by inhaling. It is known that infection forms have trouble latching onto an augmented nervous system. Sgt Johnson, for example, was extremely resistant to the flood because of his participation in the ORION project and augmentations made to his spinal cord. An un-augmented Irken may fall to the flood, but the physiological modifications made by their PAKs would make infection near impossible. Gems would be completely resistant to the flood. As for the Amphibians, since their leadership is pretty much an AI and their military is comprised of robots, they should do fine unless they fall victim to the logic plague. Though that requires a fairly advanced Gravemind, which in turn relies on the collective knowledge of the organisms it has absorbed or converted to combat forms, and frankly the average Ampbibia citizen is so far bellow the intelligence level of any of the minds that were used to make The Core, that I doubt their collective knowledge would give an Amphibia Gravemind enough to work with.
That relies on a Gravemind, which needs intelligent life to get to a point where it could utilize the logic plague. The only known planet with intelligent life other than the Homewrold was Earth, and at the time of the Gem empire there was no direct means to travel from Earth to the Homeworld. As moronic as the gems are, I have to give it to them on this one, but mostly just because the flood doesn't have a lot to work with. The flood are only really a threat if they hit a species with FTL travel.
Kind of lowballing the flood there. They get busted as frick. Amphibia would fall apart, the irken would get screwed with since they are dumb and the control brains would get corrupted. As for the gems, they fall to pieces over mundane shit. Flood would drive em nuts in a few hours
For Amphibia it depends on the victory condition. The flood would roll over the citizens, but the army and leadership would be fine and likely not give a frick. Is it really a victory against The Core if it is content to stay in its floating castle above a flood bioformed Amphibia. I assume at least that was the OP question, who could defeat the main enemy of the series, not the civilization as a whole.
If the Flood completely gets Amphibia, then they likely get a Keymind. At which point even the Core would be fricked unless it multiverse-hops somewhere else and hopes that the former Precursors can't figure that stuff out.
New idea for the Irkens, the Irkens themselves cant get infected but they are too stupid to care about becoming pawns to the Flood by proxy of the control brains getting logic plagued.
>comparing the intricately augmented nervous systems of Spartan Is to fricking Irken cannon fodder PAKs >thinking that creatures that primarily communicate through a gaping fricking cavity in their mouth will have a hard time absorbing Flood spores, when only one spore is needed to trigger a transformation in an average sized human over the span of a few hours >thinking a Gravemind requires the intelligence of other beings to regain its own when it only requires their biomass to reach a sufficient level to sustain the omnipresent knowledge of The Primordial to unlock everything it's ever known
The Irken PAK is capable of sustaining them in the vacuum of space, therefore it creates airtight protection around the user. The suggestion is not that Irkens are by themselves immune to flood supercell infection, but that the PAK could protect them indefinitely. Also, if you think ONI had technology anywhere comparable to the Irken empire at the time of the ORION project you are fricking deluded.
>Comically underpowered
Eh I don't know. Compared to The Massive sure but they could frick up the general fleet. Besides they could just pull their infiltration shit to frick em over from within.
>murderwieners the diamonds into submission >becomes leader of the tallest for having the tallest dick >matingpresses Darcy into submission
The man we needed all along.
Anyone that isn't moronic could defeat them easily. All 3 of them are bested by a single child.
So for shits and giggles I'll say XCOM since it's thematic. Or UNSC from Halo.
Reboot XCOM's canon timeline right now is a mess. I'm not sure they even know where to take the story and are currently running with the whole "multiple timelines" scenario to try and make it sound like the EU / EW victory scenarios still happened in different timelines.
I hope that's the case because the lore they've tried creating around XCOM 2 is weak as shit.
From what i remember XCOM got btfo early or in the middle of Enemy Unknown and Enemy Within is just a simulation, then came XCOM2.
I dunno where the ayy lamo XCOM resistance fits in.
That's the weird thing about XCOM 2's narrative. It claims XCOM was defeated in a base assault that took place only six weeks after the invasion started (which isn't possible even if you intentionally try to fail everything after the first mission). The scale of the alien's attacks are also radically larger early on from the base game. They're spamming late game units and ships while XCOM is barely starting on laser weapons.
But then, throughout base XCOM 2, the WotC expansion and the final mission, there are narrative acknowledgements to XCOM's victory scenario in EW, which starts seeming less like a fabricated simulation and more like events the aliens experienced. The alien monologues in the final mission heavily imply they knew XCOM would beat them if given the chance, so they decided not to risk it and just conquered Earth with a full-scale assault.
The whole thing is still needlessly complex and contradictory. If Firaxis even bothers trying to untangle the mess they made I'll be amazed.
The real question is, who wins in a fight: Supcom or the Hiigarans? Both operate in RTS timescales as canon, allowing them to churn out units from raw materials at an absurd rate. But The Hiigarans combine that witht he ability to slap 2 salvage corvettes on your biggest scariest unit, drag him back to their ship, and make him THEIR unit now. As well as go from "What is that terrible weapon? I've never seen anything like it" to "We can now build ships of our own that have a more efficient version of that weapon" in under twenty minutes.
Not sure who wins in the long run but damn it would get messy fast.
>Meat
There’s a LOT of Irkens, I’m not sure there’s enough ground up cow on earth >Gas
Diamonds don’t react with much chemically, albeit that could mangle some of the lesser gems up pretty good >Chytrid
Wouldn’t stop the robots
Not even comparable anon. Many of the sci-fi factions listed in this thread would be crumpled like paper by EVE ships. The cartoon sci-fi factions would be even moreso melted and glassed by these behemoths.
It highly depends on what you consider canon in the lore and what the ships are capable of in-game. The Titans, (the big 13 to 18 km long superships in the chart) had doomsday weapons that were capable of glassing a continent sized area on an earth like world, the Amarr Avatar had a proton supercollider, the Gallente Erebus had an Antimatter reactor aperture, the Caldari Leviathan had a barrage of 256 ICBM'S ranging from 30 to 50 megatonnes each, and the Minmatar ragnarok had twin 18 km long mass drivers that shot rapid fire 10000 tonne tungsten bores at sublight speeds.
But if destroying the whole damn planet with a spaceship is what you're interested in, there are the now defunct no-longer in the game Iapeton Titans which were roughly 300 km long and took a whole solar system's worth of resources to build and could crack a planets core wide open. One exists in EVE still but it's in a region of space that only the devs have access to and the others that were owned by the in game factions were destroyed back in the early 2000's when the game was still new.
this game always reminds me how warmonger we humans are, It also reminds me of the infinite ambition we have and what we are willing to do and destroy to achieve it.
Anyone that isn't moronic could defeat them easily. All 3 of them are bested by a single child.
So for shits and giggles I'll say XCOM since it's thematic. Or UNSC from Halo.
>massive ego >insane, sadistic, and petty >endless supply of powerful weaponry and skills >often fricks himself over by overreaching or being too evil for his own good
Nagash is just Zim
In 22XX Earth goes to war against aliens.
turns out they're much stronger than us and have weapons that put to shame all of our defenses.
That image was the truck-sized teardrop that destroyed all of Earth's battleships and is capable of punching a hole through the planet without stopping or taking damage.
That droplet weighs 10 tons and can accelerate instantly to hundreds of kilometers per second and the only attack it needs is to literally ram things because it's going so ridiculously fast that it striking something is equivalent to that thing being struck by several nukes.
Also it's pretty much indestructible, having the durability of a Neutron Star, they have a bunch of these.
Yeah, gotta remember that Crypto's saucer is a scout variant, meaning their smallest ships alone have black hole generators and quantum deconstructors. That's not getting into the insane weaponry troops would have, including a weapon to call upon space debris to create asteroids.
The Gems prove an issue with becoming hosts since they technically have no nervous systems but breaking their cores can be done with fricking sticks, at any semi-organized level the Flood stomp
Irkens in particular die fast because they have a bunch of cannon fodder and the leadership is largely incompetent
Duly noted. You wanna know what I believe? I believe that you're way out of your depth in this matter. So the next time you wanna come in here and tell me that the Newts are worse than the Gems, you are more than welcome to keep it to yourself. Because I don't care.
Hey I'm not saying the gems are better just that they're stronger. Like sure the Newts have a army of robots who are physically comparable to an MOAB and certain unites when set to explode could level whole islands but that really doesn't compare to a civilization who has worker drones who can individually steal all of the earth oceans or create super massive abominations out of their dead that are considerably larger then the earth. Like the Frobos can get damaged by a normal woman with a sledgehammer, how do they expect to stand up to a gem arm.
You can just consider how well they performed. The Amphibians destroyed what? A couple tanks and half a medium-large hill?
One red eye gem could destroy the world. And that's ancient technology for gemkind.
A single red eye is basically what the Core did at the end. And the gems have multiple of them.
Adrias's invasion would lose to WWI Earth. The Gem empire may or may not be able to conquer modern Earth. The Irkens stand untouchable and irresistible. Nothing in the arsenals of Newtopia, Gems, or real-world Earth would so much as scratch the paint on the Massive.
Flesh, metal, and stone. All perfectly compatible test subjects for compleation. The only thing stopping the Phyrexians is the infighting among the Praetors.
Based, one Evil Human Genius is all it would take. He might have trouble dealing with the Irkens but he would probably have a plan to trick them or something given how most Irkens are kinda stupid.f
The only thing terrifying about Eggman is the obvious red tape around the character. Eggman is only terrifying because Sega will take away the license if you shit on their Sega created characters. Eggman is trash. Characters are forced to act stupid whenever they're around Eggman like that horrible scene with Sally having Eggman dead to rights and instead of killing him for all his crimes she merely banishes him from her kingdom. The only Sonic villain who naturally scary is Mephiles but Sega retconned him out of existence which actually makes his impact as the only Sonic Team villain who killed Sonic much more impressive.
Gems don't stand a chance against mass waves of patriots, and their fruity little songs mean nothing to proud citizens of the federation! Would you like to know more?
>Andrias is now a broken man living out the rest of his days in exile as a farmer as penance, while the core is fricking dead, after years of conquering universes >The tallest are stuck in a shattered universal time hole, after years of enslaving planets and using the universe as their own personal food court. >The Diamonds...felt really sad about being yelled at despite centuries of killing planets, subjugation of their own people, and nearly killing everyone on Earth with the stitched together remains of their own fallen soldiers.
Man frick SU
A letter from someone he considered a close friend and was the reason why he closed himself off from getting to close anyone for centuries, and made himself into a cyborg out of sheer stubborness.
And oh boy, "her whole life" sure does mean a lot when gems can't age, and let me remind you she was ready to commit genocide on the whole Rose Quartz race for simply existing one one "killing" Pink Diamond.
>A letter from someone he considered a close friend and was the reason why he closed himself off from getting to close anyone for centuries, and made himself into a cyborg out of sheer stubborness.
Then I guess he didn’t do it out of self reflection since it was caused by someone else
Also that was literally her sister.
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Then I guess he didn’t do it out of self reflection since it was caused by someone else
What is a character arc and proper forsahdowing?
>Also that was literally her sister.
And that justifies genocide?
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>What is a character arc and proper forsahdowing?
Not really relevant since again, all on that frog who cucked him >justifies genocide
Family comes first
The UN Spacy from Macross could handle them all no problem. They have one of the few weapons in fiction that can punch a hole clean through the Massive like it was butter, and they can do it from halfway across the solar system. .
The Irkens have so much artillery it's not even funny and they can subjugate planets with singular invaders. Zim is a bit of an outlier for his species because he is extremely fricking dangerous but he's also less effective most of the time compared to the average irken due to being a crazy and overconfident.
Gems are probably amazing at ground combat when they're not being emotionally vulnerable, we never get to see them going full force and the War was only seen in small snippets so we don't really have a way to properly gauge things.
Never watched Amphibia so I don't know how strong the armies in that show are.
Any Empire that has weapons that can casually destroy entire planets is fricking busted. The only thing that can stop the Irkens is their own stupidity. I guess thats why the control brains are in charge, to make sure the Irkens don't kill themselves over snacks or some shit.
Maybe she can save Earth from them by taking advantage of their stupidity, but defeating them wholly probably won't happen.
God knows what kinda fricked up shit Chaos aligned humans would do with gemcels.
Unironically built to shatter things
Imagine what marine from the Emperor's Children would do to gems, what kinda ways he would torture and corrupt them.
The fact that gems are far more durable and live forever (Or at least, a very long time) probably means the potential for sheer torture and misery is much higher. Most gems are emotionally immature as well and lack much in the way of personal initiative, so corruption would likely be far easier as well. Generation One gems' ability for shapeshifting would also facilitate for some horrible things, I'm guessing.
So imagine an entire planet of machine abominations that have been specially bred to kill for over 10,000 years. Now imagine that the guy making these abominations is the embodiment of Black Mana, one of the five energy types that make up the world. Now imagine that guy has the ability to merge planes of existence together instantaneously so that his army just appears. And finally, imagine the only way he is defeated is because fate gets rewritten in order for the CHANCE for him to be beat and that is after 1000 years of collected white mana is shot at him, only wounding him.
Unironically, Bowser and his Koopa Troop. They were able to conquer entire galaxies and they nearly conquered the universe twice. Bowser's soldiers have all kinds of different skills and many of them are gigantic in size and strength, They have all kinds of crazy magic, FTL and teleportation technology, giant robots, machines that can produce dark matter that erase whatever it touches, a literal dyson sphere and Bowser's Galaxy Reactor that has enough power to destroy the entire universe. And there's Bowser himself whose an unkillable immortal with super strength and magical powers who can just transmute people into bricks.
The Irkens would be the toughest challenge, but CHADser and his minions can win.
newtopia's not even worth mentioning really. US military could have handled that, if the story was allowed to go realistically.
the irkens are rough, but i think old republic era sith empire or galactic republic could handle it.
with homeworld, i would again go to star wars. i think magic is needed vs. magic. force crush their gems for instant wins. significantly strong force users could crush loads of them at once. there's also no telling what the sith's dark emotional shit would do to their fragile minds.
Shield, bubble. This is always my favorite type of fantasy to debunk. A character you like beating up another one you’re not into. So 7th grader levels of logic
children apparently
Invade Zim is actually an adult
he's just really dumb
Children cannot defeat Irk. Dib is just a spaz that he fails to even beat Zim, their worst invader who's not even an invader because he's been banished to be a fast-food worker.
Zim is the most dangerous of the Irken. Their problem is that they utilize him wrong. Put him in a Deathwatch or Arbiter esque role or something and chuck him at a problem.
I agree. Zim is clearly loyal to a fault to the Irken Empire. All Red and Purple have to do is send him to any planet they want to destroy and he will do it. The issue is that they want to invade the planets with him and not destroy them.
The bigger issue is Zim sees HIMSELF as an invader. His ego is too big for him to accept any mission short of what he thinks he deserves.
If the Tallest told him "go destroy this plant" he'd just start arguing with them and trying to convince them that by "destroy" they mean "invade and conquer".
Even if they got him to go to the planet he'd probably start trying and failing to conquer it instead because he'd think that would impress the Tallest.
Irken society values invaders (and height). Invaders don't mindlessly destroy planets, they divide and conquer them. The issue is that Zim does not have enough self awareness or self control to understand this. As a result, he can't do his job.
I wonder if this is a failing of the Irken society or of Zim? He's supposed to be taught how to do this but can't be contained. He could invade Earth in one day if he focused on what invading really is. Dib is just a kid and could not stop him if he actually did his job.
A failure of Zim. It's consistent behavior of him. Prior to being an invader he was a scientist and when someone on his team created an infinite energy machine, he invented an infinite energy eating monster that grew powerful and ate one of the previous Tallests.
High intelligence and skill is Zim, but his wisdom is in the negatives
For sure.
Bad writing
What is this? I'm not familiar with the insignia.
The Galactic Empire from Asimov's books.
ah. Never read those.
https://asimov.fandom.com/wiki/Galactic_Empire
For reference
The Irkens were defeated by the fact that they were too lazy to turn their ships.
>Only one
Imperium of Man
Fricker beat to me
FOR THE EMPEROR!
No need for the deformed bird, a single dynasty can take it
NIHILAKH ASCENDANT
As much as I love the Imperium, I have to agree and say that the Necrons are probably more equipped to btfo other Galactic Empires once they get their shit together. Frickers have broken powers like time manipulation.
>get their shit together
With all the things I've read in their books, I think this is as likely to happen as orks becoming a peaceful race, the hate a lot of them feel for each other is crushing, if wasn't for the C'tan they wouldn't work together, entire tomb worlds fall because a rival wakes up first, not to mention situations like in the Ithakas dynasty
If the Infinite and the Divine has taught me anything about Necrons, its that they are petty motherfrickers that would destroy entire planets just to mildly inconvenience their rivals.
Unless the Silent King returns and restores order, I don't think the Necrons are ever gonna be unified.
Even then I don't know how much he would be able to control, I haven't read about it yet, but I've heard Imotekh, and probably a few others, wouldn't need much to rebel against the silent king
I'll never understand why people like this shit. Everything about only exists to sell overpriced pieces of plastic to manchildren.
Left to right and top to bottom:
>moronation
>deus ex machina
>A singular shitty joke against Ms Space Hitler
If I am picking just one person? Nono can handle Amphibia and The Gems no problem. The Irkens running on cartoon logic are the only things that realistically pose a threat to her, and even then she has such overwhelming firepower that this should be within her abilities.
For those who don't know the source, Buster Machines are weapons that were made to defend humanity from horrifyingly powerful space monsters, and humanity's tech level grows by leaps and bounds between iterations due to relativistic time delays. Buster Machine Three deleted 60% of the Milky Way Galaxy as an area denial tactic. Which didn't actually stop the space monsters, so the war kept going.
Nono is Buster Machine *Seven*.
I bet an eva or two could do it, though that's not Cinemaphile
Irken stomp
A well placed tactical nuke of appropriate yield.
That actually, legitimately wouldn't work against Homeworld or the Irkens. Nukes are embarrassingly low tier weapons when you have FTL travel and can wipe a continent off of the map in an industrial accident.
Everyone in SU is so incompetent that I have little doubt that a nuke wouldn't work, even if you'd need more than one.
I don't disagree, but on paper Homeworld is frighteningly powerful. The things their technology can do is extremely strong. They just don't use it optimally because its a kids show, not a video game being played to win.
If you take off the 'its a kids show' gloves, Homeworld kicks a tremendous amount of ass. If you leave the kids show gloves on, your nuke can never actually go off because thats against the rating. Its a lose-lose.
Would work fricking wonders against the Homeworld. Remember, far past the point of developing warp technology and perfecting terraforming they were still terrified of the weapon bismuth made, which was essentialy a beeg pointy version of what we use to stun cattle in a slaughterhouse. They are laughably weak to ballistics and explosive weapons. The blast from a well placed nuke should at the very least shatter a good number of gems if for no other reason than the massive amount of debris sent flying by the blast.
SU gems have FTL travel but aside from that, the rest of their military technology is laughably useless and the entire species at large is cartoonishly incompetent in every way.
anyone who can near FTL can wipe out pretty much any celestial object. that goes both for the heroes and villains. the fricking planet express could btfo the death star if it hit it at lightspeed.
Necromorphs probably.
>Irken get fricked up overall. Funny enough Zim might be their Isaac Clarke in a sense since he is likely already too insane to be affected. The empire would get fricked though
>Newts would try to harness the marker like they did with the gems. It'd go horribly wrong as usual
>The gems take the marker for study and are potentially driven insane. Could frick them hard depending on their approach to the marker
>>The gems take the marker for study and are potentially driven insane. Could frick them hard depending on their approach to the marker
I'd argue that the Gems have noting to fear from the Marker. The Marker signal changes brain chemistry to perpetuate itself and warps biological material to produce necromorphs to harvest biomass for critical mass. Gems, as completely non-biological beings, are an out of context problem for the Markers. They don't have brains, so the signal is denied is assumed vector of infection. They have no biomass, so even if the signal DID affect them there is no way for it to generate Necromorphs and proceed the plan. Worst case scenario basically comes down to the gems finding the Markers weirdly cool and building more markers as art installations, unaware of their true purpose. Convergence never happens while the gems are around but they keep making landmines that will be super dangerous if organic life ever finds them in a million years.
Its comes down to if its mind frickery would still work on them. If so then it'd drive em nuts fairly quickly. If nothing else it could turn them into a force to produce more markers to spread
We never see Marker signal affect computers, which is essentially what Gems are. I see no reason why they would be in danger.
Eh I dont think it is that simple and we never had it interact with non bio aliens before although it did frick with machinery (though again through organic fleshy shit)
That said if by "Necromorphs" we are including the forces and Brethren Moons then yeah they'd get fricked. I wouldnt be surprised if most gems would have a panic attack fighting em
Actually it is that simple
It would be like expecting it to work on an autobot
Gems are a hard counter to biological assimilators.
Standard necromorphs could still just break them apart
There's only one duck who could save us
Me.
>The Flood
>Most Warhammer 40k factions
>Anti Spiral
>The Reapers
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The flood MIGHT be able to take on the Irkens. Flood infection forms first take over the CNS of an organism, flood super cells take over all biomass of an organism, but generally need to get into the body in some way, usually by inhaling. It is known that infection forms have trouble latching onto an augmented nervous system. Sgt Johnson, for example, was extremely resistant to the flood because of his participation in the ORION project and augmentations made to his spinal cord. An un-augmented Irken may fall to the flood, but the physiological modifications made by their PAKs would make infection near impossible. Gems would be completely resistant to the flood. As for the Amphibians, since their leadership is pretty much an AI and their military is comprised of robots, they should do fine unless they fall victim to the logic plague. Though that requires a fairly advanced Gravemind, which in turn relies on the collective knowledge of the organisms it has absorbed or converted to combat forms, and frankly the average Ampbibia citizen is so far bellow the intelligence level of any of the minds that were used to make The Core, that I doubt their collective knowledge would give an Amphibia Gravemind enough to work with.
>Gems would be completely resistant to the flood
Logic plague
That relies on a Gravemind, which needs intelligent life to get to a point where it could utilize the logic plague. The only known planet with intelligent life other than the Homewrold was Earth, and at the time of the Gem empire there was no direct means to travel from Earth to the Homeworld. As moronic as the gems are, I have to give it to them on this one, but mostly just because the flood doesn't have a lot to work with. The flood are only really a threat if they hit a species with FTL travel.
Kind of lowballing the flood there. They get busted as frick. Amphibia would fall apart, the irken would get screwed with since they are dumb and the control brains would get corrupted. As for the gems, they fall to pieces over mundane shit. Flood would drive em nuts in a few hours
For Amphibia it depends on the victory condition. The flood would roll over the citizens, but the army and leadership would be fine and likely not give a frick. Is it really a victory against The Core if it is content to stay in its floating castle above a flood bioformed Amphibia. I assume at least that was the OP question, who could defeat the main enemy of the series, not the civilization as a whole.
If the Flood completely gets Amphibia, then they likely get a Keymind. At which point even the Core would be fricked unless it multiverse-hops somewhere else and hopes that the former Precursors can't figure that stuff out.
New idea for the Irkens, the Irkens themselves cant get infected but they are too stupid to care about becoming pawns to the Flood by proxy of the control brains getting logic plagued.
>comparing the intricately augmented nervous systems of Spartan Is to fricking Irken cannon fodder PAKs
>thinking that creatures that primarily communicate through a gaping fricking cavity in their mouth will have a hard time absorbing Flood spores, when only one spore is needed to trigger a transformation in an average sized human over the span of a few hours
>thinking a Gravemind requires the intelligence of other beings to regain its own when it only requires their biomass to reach a sufficient level to sustain the omnipresent knowledge of The Primordial to unlock everything it's ever known
Halo lorelet detected, read a fricking novel
*gaping cavity in their head
but yeah
The Irken PAK is capable of sustaining them in the vacuum of space, therefore it creates airtight protection around the user. The suggestion is not that Irkens are by themselves immune to flood supercell infection, but that the PAK could protect them indefinitely. Also, if you think ONI had technology anywhere comparable to the Irken empire at the time of the ORION project you are fricking deluded.
>Its an Irken meet Tyranids episode
>Tyranids: Oh boy snacks!
>The Reapers
They are comically underpowered compared to the Irken Armada. They'd sweep the floor with the gems though
>Comically underpowered
Eh I don't know. Compared to The Massive sure but they could frick up the general fleet. Besides they could just pull their infiltration shit to frick em over from within.
Him
>murderwieners the diamonds into submission
>becomes leader of the tallest for having the tallest dick
>matingpresses Darcy into submission
The man we needed all along.
He'd definitely be a prime choice candidate for the Space Marine program, if it wasn't for how it restricts his reproductive functions.
It doesn't hamper reproduction. They just hypno therapy the sex drive out of them.
Space wolfs in canon frick.
yeah Decepticons rape them all and turn them into slaves
necromorphs
>redditmorphs
Pathetic
HOHOHOHOHOHOHOHO
lol
I KNEEL
The Combine
Paul Atreides
Using Oryx is cheating.
So are half the other entries on this list
>Uses The Vex instead
Voyager is OP as frick.
>Janeway kills them all just so she can get a slightly bigger cup to put her coffee in
literally anyone with a working brain or X-COM
it's canon that NuCOM failed, now OG X-Com...
Reboot XCOM's canon timeline right now is a mess. I'm not sure they even know where to take the story and are currently running with the whole "multiple timelines" scenario to try and make it sound like the EU / EW victory scenarios still happened in different timelines.
I hope that's the case because the lore they've tried creating around XCOM 2 is weak as shit.
If you want to see where they go with reboot timeline you better pray that Marvel game does well otherwise Firaxis is getting culled
From what i remember XCOM got btfo early or in the middle of Enemy Unknown and Enemy Within is just a simulation, then came XCOM2.
I dunno where the ayy lamo XCOM resistance fits in.
That's the weird thing about XCOM 2's narrative. It claims XCOM was defeated in a base assault that took place only six weeks after the invasion started (which isn't possible even if you intentionally try to fail everything after the first mission). The scale of the alien's attacks are also radically larger early on from the base game. They're spamming late game units and ships while XCOM is barely starting on laser weapons.
But then, throughout base XCOM 2, the WotC expansion and the final mission, there are narrative acknowledgements to XCOM's victory scenario in EW, which starts seeming less like a fabricated simulation and more like events the aliens experienced. The alien monologues in the final mission heavily imply they knew XCOM would beat them if given the chance, so they decided not to risk it and just conquered Earth with a full-scale assault.
The whole thing is still needlessly complex and contradictory. If Firaxis even bothers trying to untangle the mess they made I'll be amazed.
All three at the same time
The real question is, who wins in a fight: Supcom or the Hiigarans? Both operate in RTS timescales as canon, allowing them to churn out units from raw materials at an absurd rate. But The Hiigarans combine that witht he ability to slap 2 salvage corvettes on your biggest scariest unit, drag him back to their ship, and make him THEIR unit now. As well as go from "What is that terrible weapon? I've never seen anything like it" to "We can now build ships of our own that have a more efficient version of that weapon" in under twenty minutes.
Not sure who wins in the long run but damn it would get messy fast.
Chytrid, Meat Cannon, and Mineral Destroying Acidic Gas
>Meat
There’s a LOT of Irkens, I’m not sure there’s enough ground up cow on earth
>Gas
Diamonds don’t react with much chemically, albeit that could mangle some of the lesser gems up pretty good
>Chytrid
Wouldn’t stop the robots
>Chytrid
Anon......
Gems are taller, so that's one thing out of the way.
Not even comparable anon. Many of the sci-fi factions listed in this thread would be crumpled like paper by EVE ships. The cartoon sci-fi factions would be even moreso melted and glassed by these behemoths.
>EVE ships.
How powerful are they? Can they blow up planets?
It highly depends on what you consider canon in the lore and what the ships are capable of in-game. The Titans, (the big 13 to 18 km long superships in the chart) had doomsday weapons that were capable of glassing a continent sized area on an earth like world, the Amarr Avatar had a proton supercollider, the Gallente Erebus had an Antimatter reactor aperture, the Caldari Leviathan had a barrage of 256 ICBM'S ranging from 30 to 50 megatonnes each, and the Minmatar ragnarok had twin 18 km long mass drivers that shot rapid fire 10000 tonne tungsten bores at sublight speeds.
But if destroying the whole damn planet with a spaceship is what you're interested in, there are the now defunct no-longer in the game Iapeton Titans which were roughly 300 km long and took a whole solar system's worth of resources to build and could crack a planets core wide open. One exists in EVE still but it's in a region of space that only the devs have access to and the others that were owned by the in game factions were destroyed back in the early 2000's when the game was still new.
The Omnya there is so clearly a scaled up and modified USS Sulaco I had to stop and make sure I had the right file.
this game always reminds me how warmonger we humans are, It also reminds me of the infinite ambition we have and what we are willing to do and destroy to achieve it.
There's only one true answer.
>Zim destroys all 3
>including Irken Empire
>especially Irken Empire
Anyone that isn't moronic could defeat them easily. All 3 of them are bested by a single child.
So for shits and giggles I'll say XCOM since it's thematic. Or UNSC from Halo.
The beast
The Imperium of Man
Kirby solo's all three before dinner, easily
>ZZZ
>massive ego
>insane, sadistic, and petty
>endless supply of powerful weaponry and skills
>often fricks himself over by overreaching or being too evil for his own good
Nagash is just Zim
I'm gonna throw a wild card and say that ageless Jack with sword can take them down solo one by one eventually. It just might take hundreds of years
Nah
They chop him up
Idk, the Trisolarans? Maybe some of the stronger empires in the books.
Trisolarans is cheating Anon.
explain please.
In 22XX Earth goes to war against aliens.
turns out they're much stronger than us and have weapons that put to shame all of our defenses.
That image was the truck-sized teardrop that destroyed all of Earth's battleships and is capable of punching a hole through the planet without stopping or taking damage.
That droplet weighs 10 tons and can accelerate instantly to hundreds of kilometers per second and the only attack it needs is to literally ram things because it's going so ridiculously fast that it striking something is equivalent to that thing being struck by several nukes.
Also it's pretty much indestructible, having the durability of a Neutron Star, they have a bunch of these.
Zim has a water balloon
>builds literally god-tier technology that's unbeatably strong
>uses it only to frick with physics experiments to drive scientists to suicide
goddamn that book was dumbo
Irkens are the only ones who stand a shot against them.
Yeah, gotta remember that Crypto's saucer is a scout variant, meaning their smallest ships alone have black hole generators and quantum deconstructors. That's not getting into the insane weaponry troops would have, including a weapon to call upon space debris to create asteroids.
Zim would end up fricking over both sides
Now I want to see Zim and Pox interact, imagine Richard Horvitz screeching and arguing with himself.
The Gems prove an issue with becoming hosts since they technically have no nervous systems but breaking their cores can be done with fricking sticks, at any semi-organized level the Flood stomp
Irkens in particular die fast because they have a bunch of cannon fodder and the leadership is largely incompetent
I know no one asked but
Irkens>>>Gems>
Duly noted. You wanna know what I believe? I believe that you're way out of your depth in this matter. So the next time you wanna come in here and tell me that the Newts are worse than the Gems, you are more than welcome to keep it to yourself. Because I don't care.
Hey I'm not saying the gems are better just that they're stronger. Like sure the Newts have a army of robots who are physically comparable to an MOAB and certain unites when set to explode could level whole islands but that really doesn't compare to a civilization who has worker drones who can individually steal all of the earth oceans or create super massive abominations out of their dead that are considerably larger then the earth. Like the Frobos can get damaged by a normal woman with a sledgehammer, how do they expect to stand up to a gem arm.
You can just consider how well they performed. The Amphibians destroyed what? A couple tanks and half a medium-large hill?
One red eye gem could destroy the world. And that's ancient technology for gemkind.
A single red eye is basically what the Core did at the end. And the gems have multiple of them.
Irken under total control of the brains would stomp the 2 no problem. Otherwise they'd lose due to terminal stupidity.
Even when they're just joy riding I think the Irken could kill them all accidentally.
Frickers are already too lazy to turn their fleet.
They have low active kill counts but a high fatality rate.
>Wiped out an entire solar system because it was in the way
FRICK
Put them up against the Imperium of man. I wanna see what happens
She has dealt with worse.
>samus arrives on the gem homeworld
>3-10 hours later it inexplicably explodes, depending on how speed-runnery she was feeling that day.
>Samus crashes the entire Irken fleet into a moon.
THEERE GOOOOES MY HEEEEROOOOO!
Give them a few months
Who does Lupin disguise himself as?
>Its five minutes till the end of the episode.
HATEEEEEEEEER
ENTER
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Have mercy, anon.
me
Homestuck's Alternia is just the best traits of the Irkins and the Gems with none of their flaws so they'd probably stomp.
Derse could take the gems, as long as the black king and queen don't get taken out by jack or someone else.
>death battle autist thread
Superman
children cartoon empires are hilariously incompetent
Adrias's invasion would lose to WWI Earth. The Gem empire may or may not be able to conquer modern Earth. The Irkens stand untouchable and irresistible. Nothing in the arsenals of Newtopia, Gems, or real-world Earth would so much as scratch the paint on the Massive.
>Adrias's invasion would lose to WWI Earth.
It so would.
I mean...does unintentionally giving them all our horrific diseases count as victory?
Phyrexians
Phyrexians are cheating, anon.
Flesh, metal, and stone. All perfectly compatible test subjects for compleation. The only thing stopping the Phyrexians is the infighting among the Praetors.
lol
Based, one Evil Human Genius is all it would take. He might have trouble dealing with the Irkens but he would probably have a plan to trick them or something given how most Irkens are kinda stupid.f
Yeah Eggman would frick em all over. Archie Eggman especially would annihilate them
God I miss when Eggman was a genuinely terrifying force to be reckoned with and not some joke
He’s a fat nerd. Deal with it
The only thing terrifying about Eggman is the obvious red tape around the character. Eggman is only terrifying because Sega will take away the license if you shit on their Sega created characters. Eggman is trash. Characters are forced to act stupid whenever they're around Eggman like that horrible scene with Sally having Eggman dead to rights and instead of killing him for all his crimes she merely banishes him from her kingdom. The only Sonic villain who naturally scary is Mephiles but Sega retconned him out of existence which actually makes his impact as the only Sonic Team villain who killed Sonic much more impressive.
>Why isnt the bad guy from a children's video game about a talking hedgehog cool ans edgy
Fair point, shouldn't really expect much from Modern Sega
Eh even game Eggman wasnt always a joke (see the Adventure games). He was also pretty threatening in Lost World surprisingly
Gems don't stand a chance against mass waves of patriots, and their fruity little songs mean nothing to proud citizens of the federation!
Would you like to know more?
Needs more power armor.
Could the Boiling Isles beat any of them?
I think Steven might solo that place
>Andrias is now a broken man living out the rest of his days in exile as a farmer as penance, while the core is fricking dead, after years of conquering universes
>The tallest are stuck in a shattered universal time hole, after years of enslaving planets and using the universe as their own personal food court.
>The Diamonds...felt really sad about being yelled at despite centuries of killing planets, subjugation of their own people, and nearly killing everyone on Earth with the stitched together remains of their own fallen soldiers.
Man frick SU
They’re fixing people of their own accord which would be better than someone being forced to do it
Unless you’re into karma I guess
No Andrias fixed things of his own accord, because he had self reflextion and a little thing called a character arc
Steven cried and made witty one liners and it worked because "muh Pink Diamond". and every sin they commited is never brought up again.
Frick you
There is literally an episode where Yellow says she is gonna spend her life fixing the experiments
Also Andrias needed a letter
A letter from someone he considered a close friend and was the reason why he closed himself off from getting to close anyone for centuries, and made himself into a cyborg out of sheer stubborness.
And oh boy, "her whole life" sure does mean a lot when gems can't age, and let me remind you she was ready to commit genocide on the whole Rose Quartz race for simply existing one one "killing" Pink Diamond.
>A letter from someone he considered a close friend and was the reason why he closed himself off from getting to close anyone for centuries, and made himself into a cyborg out of sheer stubborness.
Then I guess he didn’t do it out of self reflection since it was caused by someone else
Also that was literally her sister.
Then I guess he didn’t do it out of self reflection since it was caused by someone else
What is a character arc and proper forsahdowing?
>Also that was literally her sister.
And that justifies genocide?
>What is a character arc and proper forsahdowing?
Not really relevant since again, all on that frog who cucked him
>justifies genocide
Family comes first
The UN Spacy from Macross could handle them all no problem. They have one of the few weapons in fiction that can punch a hole clean through the Massive like it was butter, and they can do it from halfway across the solar system. .
The Irkens have so much artillery it's not even funny and they can subjugate planets with singular invaders. Zim is a bit of an outlier for his species because he is extremely fricking dangerous but he's also less effective most of the time compared to the average irken due to being a crazy and overconfident.
Gems are probably amazing at ground combat when they're not being emotionally vulnerable, we never get to see them going full force and the War was only seen in small snippets so we don't really have a way to properly gauge things.
Never watched Amphibia so I don't know how strong the armies in that show are.
Any Empire that has weapons that can casually destroy entire planets is fricking busted. The only thing that can stop the Irkens is their own stupidity. I guess thats why the control brains are in charge, to make sure the Irkens don't kill themselves over snacks or some shit.
Sacro Imperio Viralborgia.
What series is this? I've found the artist, but is this from an artbook or something? Looks neat
Terra Hypnagogica, a worldbuilding project that also has a comic on Tapas.
XJ-9 could probably handle Newtopia and Homeworld, but the Irken race may just be too overwhelming for her.
Jenny?
Yeah, that's her official designation.
Jenny would 100% body the Newtpoian "Empire" no problem, she might have difficulty with the Gems but still come out on top.
Irkens would frick her up tho. Unless she can exploit their weakness for snacks.
Maybe she can save Earth from them by taking advantage of their stupidity, but defeating them wholly probably won't happen.
The fact that gems are far more durable and live forever (Or at least, a very long time) probably means the potential for sheer torture and misery is much higher. Most gems are emotionally immature as well and lack much in the way of personal initiative, so corruption would likely be far easier as well. Generation One gems' ability for shapeshifting would also facilitate for some horrible things, I'm guessing.
Stelio Kontos
Ernest from Ernest goes to Prison with Mjolnir
maybe Bugs Bunny
Better question: who'd kill the Steven Universe gays in the most horrific way?
Jason Voorhees
These
if you're just looking for peak horror. Probably the Bydo or Phyrexians otherwise.
>Phyrexians
see
Viralborgians are also cheating, so it balances out.
Explain why Phyrexians are cheating.
So imagine an entire planet of machine abominations that have been specially bred to kill for over 10,000 years. Now imagine that the guy making these abominations is the embodiment of Black Mana, one of the five energy types that make up the world. Now imagine that guy has the ability to merge planes of existence together instantaneously so that his army just appears. And finally, imagine the only way he is defeated is because fate gets rewritten in order for the CHANCE for him to be beat and that is after 1000 years of collected white mana is shot at him, only wounding him.
God knows what kinda fricked up shit Chaos aligned humans would do with gemcels.
Unironically built to shatter things
Imagine what marine from the Emperor's Children would do to gems, what kinda ways he would torture and corrupt them.
Ye, the Dark Eldar and Chaos boys would have loads of fun with them.
Also yeah Jenny could protect earth but dealing with the entire Irken empire would be almost impossible
Brianiac, Freiza, the Xenomorphs
Viltrumites
The aliens that created the Rorschach from Blindsight.
Plot armor, as usual
Unironically, Bowser and his Koopa Troop. They were able to conquer entire galaxies and they nearly conquered the universe twice. Bowser's soldiers have all kinds of different skills and many of them are gigantic in size and strength, They have all kinds of crazy magic, FTL and teleportation technology, giant robots, machines that can produce dark matter that erase whatever it touches, a literal dyson sphere and Bowser's Galaxy Reactor that has enough power to destroy the entire universe. And there's Bowser himself whose an unkillable immortal with super strength and magical powers who can just transmute people into bricks.
The Irkens would be the toughest challenge, but CHADser and his minions can win.
>Homeworld
MGRR America, And it would be a massive boost to the war economy
It's funny how this game is only remembered for its American music and American voice acting
The reapers from mass effect
newtopia's not even worth mentioning really. US military could have handled that, if the story was allowed to go realistically.
the irkens are rough, but i think old republic era sith empire or galactic republic could handle it.
with homeworld, i would again go to star wars. i think magic is needed vs. magic. force crush their gems for instant wins. significantly strong force users could crush loads of them at once. there's also no telling what the sith's dark emotional shit would do to their fragile minds.
Imagine Steven getting ripped on half by a Space Marine... ughh. but muhhh feelings
He is unironically stronger than them
>stronger than them
only when he gets turbo autism powers or hack writing
I'll like to see him try a take a bolter round or a powersword blow
Shield, bubble. This is always my favorite type of fantasy to debunk. A character you like beating up another one you’re not into. So 7th grader levels of logic
Don’t act like 40k is literature
Heh.
Fricking Based
SJW children with the power of plot armour. Or talibans IDK, I mean they defeated USA.
Fox McCloud and his entire Nintendo Star Fox mercenary group. They are literal galactic empire destroyers.
>right click
>edit
What would the Qu turn them into?
it only takes a man (seemingly immortal) and a lever.
Black Hat Organization. They all probably work for him whether they know it or not