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He's the best guy for the job. Everyone else sucks
>”He's the best guy for the job.”
>He and the rest of Spider Society get soloed by Miles
Nah, let Miles lead, and he’ll do his own thing
Is the audience supposed to root for Miles here? He comes across as really arrogant and entitled, he was screaming "I AM Spider-Man! I AM Spider-Man!" seconds before, which is really strange when you think about it
>he literally isn't Spider-Man, he's A Spider-Man
>he's the only one that didn't come up with his own identity in-universe and instead cribbed it from a dead guy without his permission
>almost everyone else is fine with having non "Spider-Man" names (e.g. Spider-Byte, Spider-Punk, Spider-Woman etc) but he feels entitled to Peter A's moniker
>choosing to be a Spider-Man entitles him to.. his dad dying in a canon event, the thing he's trying to prevent by running
>he really has no reason to explicitly want to be "Spider-Man" when Miguel tells him about his circumstances, rationally he should be thinking "oh frick what does that mean for me"
>it's not really relevant to the chase anyway, he should be asking "if I'm not Spider-Man then that should mean my dad doesn't have to die" since he shouldn't be subject to canon events
>the "my own thing" he's trying to do, is risking the lives of literally everything, everywhere, all at once, to be selfish when every other Spider-Man accepted their tragic fate for the greater good
>Is the audience supposed to root for Miles here?
Yes. He's right and everyone else is wrong
>Is the audience supposed to root for Miles here?
Yes.
I'm tired of "muh greater good" "muh big picture" shit.
Give me more Anakins as protagonists.
But Anakin wasn't being a bottom b***h about it, he just killed everyone in his way to get what he wants
comparing miles to anakin is an insult to anakin
>"If you kill all the Jedi i'll tell you how to revive your future dead wife"
>*Kills the Jedi*
>"... Well i don't know how to do it RIGHT NOW, but im sure we can think of something later"
>20 years later
>"Alright Vader, now... kill your son"
Holy shit, Anakin was such a fricking dumbass
I don't even care about your point, i just wanted to get that out of chest
Well it was more like
>the jedi are going to find out about your marriage eventually and flip
>their bullshit is going to stop you from saving your wife when she's in trouble too, remember your mom? remember how you couldn't save her because you were doing all that ascetic monk BS?
>you should just go kill them all for me. If you do I'll teach you how to be strong enough to protect your wife and children
>in fact, with you by my side, we can discover the secrets of immortality. ....probably. I guess technically yes he did do that, just not how it was promised, and not for anakin's padme
>oh shit padme died because you thought she was cheating on you, and you DV'd her? damn, that sucks.
>sucks about your arm and legs and lungs too. But its okay, we can get you a full body prosthesis.
>so I know that following my way of life made you kill your wife, and all your friends, and more or less ruined whatever you had going on for yourself BUT
>i PROMISE
>SUPER DUPER PROMISE THIS TIME
>it won't go sideways if you just kill your son for me
>Vader?
>...Vader? Are we good?
>WAIT NO DONT THROW ME DOWN TH - ACK!
>>the jedi are going to find out about your marriage eventually and flip
later canon has made this really silly when it's perfectly okay for kenobi to have that side piece just because he didn't put a ring on it
That's the point. The Jedi was a cult with ridiculous rules. They're still the good guys, but they could be better, and their flaws are what the Sith uses as a point of attack.
The scene suddenly started pretending like "Spider-Man" was ever a title or rank that had to imparted by an outside authority and be earned through hard work and that Miles was being stripped of something he struggled to get, when that was never the case in either movie, in fact everyone wants him to be Spider-Man and refers to him as such immediately, even his villains that would realistically be mocking him for being a fake.
It just came across as weird, like Gordon Ramsey yelling at an amateur how he's not a real cook and the amateur rebelling and saying he was, except the word they were using instead of cook was "Gordon Ramsey".
>The scene suddenly started pretending like "Spider-Man" was ever a title or rank
That's what Disney wants for every legacy marvel character. They did the same shit with Thor, Iron Man/Iron Heart, Captain Marvel/Miss Marvel, and Captain America. They want more cosplayers at cons giving them free advertising and they want to sell more merch to every demographic.
I hadn't thought it but "[superhero] isn't a person, it's a title!" is really widespread now
The homosexual Canadian shcizo is more sane than the hero who let a psychopathic narc black kid run around with his hero name.
I can't believe that everyone is perfectly fine with that. In the comics and in real life. It's so stupid on the face of it.
>comparing the TITLE "Spider-Man" to a person's actual legal name
moron
Spider-Man isn't a title
And I'm not a demon.
>not wanting to be a professional Gordon Ramsey
plebian.
>Is the audience supposed to root for Miles here?
Yes.
Even if you think he's being irrational and needlessly endangering people, you still have sympathy for someone who has suddenly had their identity overtured, been told that their loved one is going to die with no hope of changing it, and been rejected and seemingly betrayed by people he had every reason to trust. And all your stuff about adopting the spider title only makes sense from a meta perspective, there's no reason that any of those things would occur to him, least of all while running away from an army of other spider people.
>Even if you think he's being irrational and needlessly endangering people, you still have sympathy for someone who has suddenly had their identity overtured, been told that their loved one is going to die with no hope of changing it
Not when I know for a fact all of them would've done the same for people who aren't their literal dads
You can have sympathy for Miles' situation but you should ultimately be siding and agreeing with Miguel at every step regardless because
1. He has witnessed the end of a universe.
2. Many of the Spider people there experienced it with him so they know it's not a fake and is a very serious issue.
3. If you do not listen to Miguel and follow the canon they have a very good idea that it will eventually unravel all of reality and kill everyone in it.
4. Miles has already shown that he's not some sort of exception to the canons thanks to his Mumbattan experience and his glitching in other worlds meaning that, from their perspective, Miles is the same as any other Spidey and has to follow the same rules.
5. He and tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of Peter Parkers or equivalents with their smarts couldn't figure out anything more than a detection system and a way to stop the aberrant canon before the world implodes in however many months or years since Miguel's surrogate world imploded. Or, in other words, they can't fix a broken canon.
Yes, we know in the next movie Miles will pull a solution out of his ass that proves him right, but based on this movie Miguel is 100% right and Miles, Gwen, Peni, Spider-Ham, Pavitr, Hobie, Noir, Peter B., Spider-Byte, and anyone else siding with Miles are acting completely out of emotion and not logic. They have no solution for any of Miguel's very real concerns and instead are willing to risk infinite amounts of people for one person that their friend is related to. The movie gives 0 reason why you should actually root for Miles based on all the information given within the movie.
These are all valid facts, but you know that's not how the general audience is going to see it considering Miles is supposed to be the hero here.
I’ve said all of this shit and a Miles fanboy I’m friends with even straight up responded “Miles is right because it’s his movie.” Even he acknowledges it’s just shit writing.
> he feels entitled to Peter A's moniker
Peter A sent him on a mission with his dying request and he has the powers. It’s like being mad at someone like robin, azreal or someone else that’s physically and mentally capable of doing what batman does, that’s been given the bat cowl by a dying Bruce Wayne, for calling themselves batman. Spider-man is a mantle. Deal with it.
Requiring that his dad die is moronic. He already lost his uncle. What is his dad dying going to motivate or accomplish? Peter’s uncle dying motivated him to act because inaction and selfishness is what ultimately allowed uncle Ben to die. What’s Miles’ dad dying going to do other than maybe make him into a murderer or something? In Peters case, he had the OPPORTUNITY to stop the robber and chose not to out of selfishness. He learned to not be selfish because he can lose things that are important to him.
Honestly, they should have let him go back to his universe and try to save his dad. Miguel’s whining about ruining a canon event in that universe where his family existed but that wasn’t his fricking universe. He was interfering in another reality and that reality collapsed as a result. Miles wants to go back to his own universe to try and save his dad from an enemy that’s from his own universe. Succeeding or failing there shouldn’t prevent a canon event as long as he is actually able to try or at least isn’t blocked by outsiders interfering.
>Spider-man is a mantle. Deal with it.
Nah
Because uncle Aaron is Miles's uncle Ben, and his father is his equivalent of Captain Stacy, and his Gwen Stacy is alt universe Gwen.
If we follow the canon event logic, all 3 are destined to die to serve as tragic events if he keeps being Spider-Man.
>If we follow the canon event logic
Why would we, it makes zero sense to even a casual observer, it should especially fall apart under scrutiny of any Spider-Man
they don't want his dad to die to motivate him, they want his dad to die because it's predicted by an algorithm to be a canon event, which, due to miguel's experience with his own interruption of his canon event, would lead to the universe imploding
>Spider-man is a mantle. Deal with it.
Frick you homie no it ain't.
>It’s like being mad at someone like robin, azreal or someone else that’s physically and mentally capable of doing what batman does, that’s been given the bat cowl by a dying Bruce Wayne
Except all of your examples have proven themselves as their own personas BEFORE adopting that of Batman. They went through the trials and tribulations, and even though they wear the Batman mantle to fight crime, them turning around and yelling "I AM Batman!" at Batgirl or something when they bring up Bruce Wayne would be a moronic take.
tldr: Your example is shit
Miles will be vindicated anyway when saving his father won't cause his universe to collapse once he stops the Spot.
>Miles saves his dad but finds out that his actual canon event is the Spot creasing his Js
>"He's a Spider-Man."
Which is why he calls himself Spider-Man. Like Miguel does. The frick are you talking about?
>Is the audience supposed to root for Miles here?
>He comes across as really arrogant and entitled, he was screaming "I AM Spider-Man! I AM Spider-Man!" seconds before
>he literally isn't Spider-Man, he's A Spider-Man
>he's the only one that didn't come up with his own identity in-universe and instead cribbed it from a dead guy without his permission
thats what whe have been telling everyone since the very first comic he appeared on
FRICK MILES
every other spidermen is cooler
Miguel is wrong about everything because of Mayday. The only reason Mayday exists at all is because Peter B. was only able to have the confidence to have a kid and get back with MJ because he met Miles, someone from another universe. Mayday's existence should be an anomaly of its own, but Peter B's universe is doing just fine. I think Mayday is the key to proving that Miguel was the one who was in the wrong.
Unless Mayday was always supposed to exist
Which only proves that this whole multiverse-crossing was meant to happen, if Peter B. hadn't been flung to Earth-1610, he'd probably still be living alone in an apartment with a beer-gut and surrounded by empty pizza boxes.
Which is ridiculously moronic writing
That's what happens when you prioritize pissing off some detractors over writing a decent story.
Not necessarily, he is Peter. He would've eventually gotten over himself and fixed his relationship with MJ. Is just that instead of taking years, Miles's intervention sped up the process but it didn't break the canon.
Nothing indicates Mayday wouldn’t have existed eventually besides Peter’s exaggerated value of Miles.
actually yes it does, it was spelled out in the first movie. after miles saves the day from the collider, peter b parker says 'i think i want kids.'
Peter B. was trying to commit suicide in the first movie, before he rediscovered his purpose and confidence to try and live his life. Sure, theorectically he could've somehow otherwise but clearly Miles played a huge role in inspiring him to try. Without the multiverse trip Peter B. probably finds a reason to sacrifice himself heriocally and dies.
>some chapters good...
>It's not all bad, Miles! There's good in it too!
It's right there in the dialogue, you moronic LULZ robot. Go ask your parents to drop you off at the theater with some money and see for yourself.
>really arrogant and entitled, he was screaming "I AM Spider-Man! I AM Spider-Man!"
Because Miguel just told him that was a lie and he was never supposed to be spider-man and Miles is trying to protect his sense of identity.
>he literally isn't Spider-Man, he's A Spider-Man
No one says otherwise. Everyone calls and refers to each other as spider-man or spider-woman in spider-society.
>he's the only one that didn't come up with...
Blonde Peter was going to teach him to be Spider-Man and entrusted him with saving the city before his death. That's as much as permission to take on the mantle as you can get without him literally saying 'be spiderman for me'. Peni is also someone who inherited the mantle after her father's death so that's also not entirely true.
>almost everyone else is fine with having non "Spider-Man" names...
Why are you making stuff up? He never acted entitled to being the sole 'Spider-Man' who's called Spider-man. No one calls each other or themselves anything but Spider-man or spider-woman in the entire fricking movie.
>he really has no reason to explicitly...
His promise to blonde Peter, his own sense of responsibility, his uncle's words telling him to keep going and being the best of his family.
>he should be asking "if I'm not Spider-Man then that should mean my dad doesn't have to die"...
Except he is which what they show you with his uncle dying and his father's death coming. Since he did become spider-man he's still subject to canon events but being an anomaly, there's still a risk that he can frick with canon which will cause issues.
>the "my own thing" he's trying to do...
Yes. He's an emotional kid trying to have it all but it's clearly only causing him more issues. The movie shows you this with even his wins being undercut by something else going wrong.
Pay attention to the movie
>Miles is trying to protect his sense of identity.
But it's not his
>No one says otherwise. Everyone calls and refers to each other as spider-man or spider-woman in spider-society.
But Spider-Man is a name, not a title, Miles even treats it as such by omitting the indefinite article, see the Gordon Ramsay example, imagine an amateur cook yelling "I am Gordon" instead of "I am A cook"
>Blonde Peter was going to teach him to be Spider-Man and entrusted him with saving the city before his death. That's as much as permission to take on the mantle as you can get without him literally saying 'be spiderman for me'.
Nope, common sense would actually say he'd want him to be his own hero instead of another "Spider-Man"
>Peni is also someone who inherited the mantle after her father's death so that's also not entirely true
Peni is not called Spider-Man
>Why are you making stuff up? He never acted entitled to being the sole 'Spider-Man' who's called Spider-man.
You made that up, the point is that Miles feels entitled to having the exact "Spider-Man" name instead of coming up with his own Spider-Moniker
>His promise to blonde Peter, his own sense of responsibility, his uncle's words telling him to keep going and being the best of his family.
He can do all that without being "Spider-Man" specifically, he can just say "okay I'm Prowler now let me go I'm not part of your club"
>Except he is which what they show you with his uncle dying and his father's death coming.
He's literally not, watch the movie, he never uses Miguel's insults about him not being Spider-Man to call out his lack of logic
>Yes. He's an emotional kid trying to have it all but it's clearly only causing him more issues. The movie shows you this with even his wins being undercut by something else going wrong.
Yeah but the movie expects us to be fine with every other Spider-Man accepting it, including another emotional kid whose dad's life is on the line (Gwen), clearly it's the morally superior choice
>But Spider-Man is a name, not a title,
It literally is in the context of the story. Every character's introduction scene literally starts with "blah blah, and I'm this worlds one and only spider-man/spider-woman'. Everyone refers to Spider-Man as a title they all have. 'Being Spider-Man is a sacrifice' "Are you sure you're Spider-Man?'
>Nope, common sense would actually say he'd want him...
He literally has all the powers of spider-man that he got by being bitten by a spider. They even get the spider-man frequency shit and Peter realizes Miles is 'just like him'. Peter isn't stingy with the title and was more than happy to teach Miles to be Spider-Man like him until
>Peni is not called Spider-Man
But Peni is very much still very much the 'Spider-Man' of her world and is recognized as such by the universe after inherited that role from her father
>Miles feels entitled to having the exact "Spider-Man"..
No he doesn't. He's not even the only one who just calls himself 'Spiderman'. Miguel doesn't call himself Spiderman 2099. Pavitr doesn't call himself Spiderman India. Hobie doesn't call himself Spider-Punk(granted he did later). William doesn't call himself Spiderman UK. Miles just hasn't given himself a subtitle. It's not him going 'nah i'm THE spider-man' like you seem to be implying.
>He can do all that without being "Spider-Man" specifically
Fair enough. I don't disagree with that. Honestly he can call himself anything but he wants to be spider-man and honor and live up to the spider-man who gave his life to save him. There's also nothing wrong with that and either way the universe would likely still recognize him as 'spider-man' due to being bitten and acting as a hero regardless though.
>He's literally not, watch the movie,
Miguel doesn't say he's not spiderman in the sense that he's literally not. Just that he wasn't supposed to.
>clearly it's the morally superior choice
Gwen says she's not even sure it's right she just wants to save her friend.
>just because the movie is insistent on being objectively wrong grammatically and semantically doesn't make it somehow right
>none of that means he'd be another "Spider-Man"
>and still not called "Spider-Man"
>he does, that's why he insists "I'm Spider-Man, I'm Spider-Man!", most of the others are fine with having their own monikers even though they were the first to invent them in their own universes
>he doesn't get to choose if stealing a dad man's identity counts as honoring him, also again it's a rank/title then it's A Spider-Man, and not "Spider-Man", the universe is obviously wrong and the whole canon thing shit is Miguel's headcanon, it's not like they have an actual metaphysical herald like Madam Web, it's all Miguel's theory and a shoddy one at that
>and Miles doesn't use that information to challenge Miguel's obviously inconsistent theory
>but she doesn't want to save her dad, and all the other Spider-Man don't want Miles to save his dad, if morally pristine people like every Spider-Men can make that choice then why should anyone take Miles' side when he rebels
>just because the movie is insistent on
Even going by comic book and meta logic it's been made a mantle and a title since literal decades ago before Miles even existed.
>none of that means he'd be another "Spider-Man"
So a guy bitten by a radioactive spider, that gave him spider DNA, and spider powers isn't another spiderman but all the hundreds of other people who got bit by a spider, have spider DNA, with spider powers are spiderman?
>and still not called "Spider-Man"
Still the universe equivalent. It doesn't matter what she's called, she still serves the same function as person bitten by spider with spider powers saving people.
>most of the others are fine with having their own monikers
Due to their own choice, but there are still those who don't have actual in-universe monikers they use and call themselves Spider-man and are called as such by others including other spider-people. Miles is one of that latter. He's not going I'm THE Spider-Man. His first movie even ends with him saying 'I'm Spider-Man, but I'm not the only one. Not by a longshot'. I don't know where you're getting this him feeling entitled to being THE Spider-Man idea from just cause he doesn't have a secondary title yet.
>it's a rank/title then it's A Spider-Man, and not "Spider-Man"
who's saying otherwise? Definitely not Miles. Even his question to Miguel is just a reaction to his claws than him outright dismissing him as one. Miles is the only one who's status as a Spider-Man gets questioned legitimately by others due to circumstances.
>and Miles doesn't use that information
He's trying to run from him not have a dialogue. And part of him DOES believes what Miguel's saying that's why his words haunt him during his trippy swing through universe 42.
>but she doesn't
She does, and they do. They're just not trying to risk everything by allowing it. Gwen's still not sure if it's right to help miles but his life is in danger and she and their friends don't want him to die.
>I don't care for moronic meta logic, if you're using the word Spider-Man without an article, then it's not a rank or title or mantle
>you also don't seem to understand the point of quotes, Spider-Punk is also a Spider-Man while not literally being called "Spider-Man"
>and yet still not called "Spider-Man"
>and Miles' choice of moniker makes him come off as entitled
>Miles is definitely saying otherwise by not using an article or other sort of descriptor
>he has crucial new information revealed that could change the whole situation and he ignores it completely making him come off as moronic
>she literally doesn't, and I have no reason to side with Miles against the judgment of all the other morally superior Spider-Men
you think he ever fricks his hologram?
The funniest part is that we've already been through this song and dance with Scarlet Spider, using literal clones of Peter in the form of Benjamin and Kaine. You'd think they'd have learned from how utterly divisive Clone Saga was.
that would imply they read comic books, anon.
>He doesn't do his own thing
not gonna make it
Pov shot of Micaela slamming her claws past my face and her hair covering one eye as the other glows red, preferably low lighting.
I have nothing to offer you other than gratitude.
>He comes across as really arrogant and entitled
The guy's getting ganged up on by dozens of people he thought wee "the good guys" and is basically told he's a mistake of the universe. He's entitled to be snippy and you homosexuals get tilted over less.
>he thought were "the good guys"
So did we, the movie making them out to be complacent psychos should break your immersion and make you ask "why the frick would I cheer for the poochie over all the established characters"
Nah. They believe Miguel because he has receipts and if he IS right, then Miles could potentially doom his reality to potential destruction, just like Curry Spider-Man's.
And we should believe them too over Miles' entitlement
Bendis = shit, so no, don't root for the Black
>he's the only one that didn't come up with his own identity in-universe and instead cribbed it from a dead guy without his permission
Blonde Peter literally made Miles promise to him that he would stop the collider since he knew he was gonna die. What the frick are you waffling on about.
I don't see how any of that means "also steal my name and costume"
>I don't see how any of that means "also steal my name and costume"
>Peter A says you're just like me after meeting him
>offers to train him and show him the ropes
What more does he have to say or do to convince you that Peter A would be fine with Miles taking the place as the new Spider-Man?
Anon literally none of that remotely implies he should take his costume and name, it's basic common sense. It's Peter's secret identity, not a title handed out by someone, in fact logically everyone else after Peter should be coming up with their own name and costume.
Then why isn't Miguel?
His peter parker died years ago in his timeline
Because Peter Parker in that timeline didn't get murdered just so that a poacher looter could roleplay to being the real spider-man.
Then what about Ben who's a clone of spiderman amongst other clones that were made on accident?
Maybe you've forgotten, or perhaps you were never around to experience it, but the whole clone debacle is one of the most divisive things they've done with the character. Right up there with him selling his marriage to the devil to revive a woman who only had like 4 years left to live tops.
I'm aware about the clone saga and mephisto goofing with Peter experience, I've read the latter when it came out
That doesn't answer my question about how someone who has the same powers as Spiderman can't become a Spiderman when the original dies
Because what makes Spider-Man who he is, is the man under the mask. If you're going to give the name to another one, it's because you're telling a story that relates to the man under the mask and how he's different from the original. But when you try to make it seems that whoever puts the man can be just as much of a Spider-Man as Peter Parker, it shows a lack of respect for the character. If you try to pretend it's not just looting the character and present that to the audience as if they do not know better, that's an insult to them.
So that makes Superior Spiderman just as much a Spiderman just because he has Peter's body and saw his memories even though he does everything a spiderman isn't supposed to do?
What about timelines where peter is evil?
>Superior Spiderman
>timelines where peter is evil
You must be autistic if you get stumped this badly by "the man under the mask" either that or you're pretending to be moronic.
Answer the question homosexual
If someone body snatches Peter Parker, the it's not the same man under the mask. If it's a timeline where the man took on a completely different turn then clearly he isn't the same man under the mask because he's spiritually not the same person. Before you ask, yes in the timeline where Peter Parker was bitten by a radioactive monkey and he turned into Little Black Sambo Man who smashes store fronts, it wouldn't be the same man under the mask either. moron.
Then your logic is flawed if has to be Peter Parker to be Spiderman
Miles, Gwen, and the others uphold what it means to be Spiderman without disrespecting what Peter stood for
>Miles, Gwen, and the others uphold what it means to be Spiderman without disrespecting what Peter stood for
Lol
Lmao
See, not even able to make an argument against it
Just gotta wrap yourself in layers of irony don't you?
The only Spider-Man who can be the real thing is Peter Parker. Every other one is a cheap imitation that's done for the sake of a marketing for a gimmick. Or they're a different person under the mask and the whole point is that they're a different person with a similar power set and their story differs from the real man.
No one upholds the meaning of Spider-Man but Peter Parker. It's why they have to go out of their way to imitate his origin but change X, Y, and Z superficial aspect. Because deep down they know that only Peter Parker can be the real Spider-Man.
Yet I see people here complain about Tom Holland Spiderman despite bing Peter
It was the same over a decade ago when people complained that Andrew Garfield wasn't a good Spiderman either despite being Peter
Again, your logic is flawed
>People complain MCU slop doesn't match to the original
>People complain Sony cash grabs don't match up to the original
It's easy to win when you're titling at windmills. The matter at hand here is that Peter Parker makes Spider-Man. That of course doesn't mean that having Peter Parker will make for good Spider-Man, or that it would be a faithful adaptation. That is an entirely different matter all together and not the topic so try to not deviate since the argument was never that having Peter Parker on something will magically make the Spider-Man legitimate.
She doesn't.
But you said in your earlier replies that Peter Parker being Spiderman is what makes it spiderman no matter what
Peter Parker makes Spider-Man. That doesn't magically stop bad adaptations of the character to exist, doesn't stop shit writers from making shit stories, doesn't stop people who hate comic books from getting jobs writing comic books characters.
Someone writing a shit Peter is a separate issue to whether someone other than Peter Parker can be the real Spider-Man, which they cannot.
So what's the argument here?
>So what's the argument here?
The argument is that being Peter Parker doesn't mean you'll be spiderman and Spiderman doesn't need to exist by having Peter Parker in the universe
You're not making any sense. If Peter Parker doesn't become Spider-Man then we're talking about a What If type scenario in which case everything goes out the window because the whole point is the wacky differences from what's established. If there's a Spider-Man without a Peter Parker, then it isn't the real deal.
Peter Parker of course. Like I said. Just because there's different writers at the helm, or there's shit stories about the character, or various writers for him, doesn't mean that you can put Shocker under the mask and that magically turns the guy into the real Spider-Man.
That's a run of the character
I'm asking which adaption or comic run of Peter is the version you're saying is the best one that represents spiderman?
The Spectacular Spider-Man
Spider Gwen isn't Spider-man
Miles isn't Spider-Man
They're not Peter Parker.
>If there's a Spider-Man without a Peter Parker, then it isn't the real deal.
But it is the real deal
Both spidergwen and Miles have been in the 616 verse multiple times throughout the years
But there has been multiple comics of spiderman since the 60's by countess writers who have written for Peter
What version of Peter is the spiderman that you see as being spiderman?
But Gwen's Peter becomes the lizard and doesn't become spiderman
NTA but please. Try and be honest here. Poeple hated Tom for being too much of a an iron man sidekick when their relationship in the comics used to be Very shaky and they didn't always see eye to eye. Peter didn't idolised Tony .
And poeple loved Garfield spider-man. They hated his failed portrayal as a NERD not because of being Peter but because he didn't feel like a nerd.
>Poeple hated Tom for being too much of a an iron man sidekick
Iron Man is deceased in 2 of his 3 movies, Anon. Vulture is a simple thief who didn’t even MEET Tony, he simply brings him up in a conversation to relate to Peter. True, Mysterio is indirectly motivated by Tony, but the central conflict is between him and Peter. You know, since Tony is dead. And in No Way Home, Tony is mentioned a single time in relation to an invention.
>And people loved Garfield spider-man.
As someone who was there, no, they didn’t. They thought he was an irresponsible douche. It’s only now people turned around on him cause he got good writing in No Way Home.
Sorry, can't hear you with Fiege's BFC in your mouth
>Pissbaby fanbase b***hes that Andrew is retreading the origin
>Pissbaby fanbase b***hes that Tom skips over the origin, and goes so far as to speculate Uncle Ben doesn’t even exist in that universe which makes no fricking sense
Im convinced by the fandom cycle that Spider-Man fans don’t know what they WANT and merely hate whats happening NOW.
>No one upholds the meaning of Spider-Man but Peter Parker.
Then how come Gwen's Peter didn't become a spiderman and uphold the meaning?
b***h started avoiding responsibility and went dimension hopping to frick BBC like a snowbunny prostitute.
To be Spider-man means to be Peter Parker. Spider-man isn't a mantle to be passed around, Spider-man is the alter ego specific to Peter, an aspect and a reflection of himself. The whole Spider- verse concept seeks to astroturf people into thinking that Spider-man is bigger then one man, that it's something that can be shared, that the person behind the mask is interchangeable with anyone else.
When they have the same set of powers and mental skills it pretty just becomes a costume than the man behind it
Not really, otherwise Tony Stark could call himself Batman, because he has the same set of powers like Bruce Wayne
Dude literally gave him a busted old suit that pressured his lungs. You got gaslit by this homies gaslighting through a movie lol
>>He and the rest of Spider Society get soloed by Miles
I saw some fans theorize that was because Miles had the benefit of spider sense during the chase since he was the only one in danger, while everyone else was pursuing. And I feel like if Miguel didn't sperg out and let anger cloud his judgement, he would've definitely subdued Miles. He should've knocked him out on the train or something instead of yell at him for 5 minutes about how he shouldn't exist.
Arrogant nig nog
who did he rob to made him a spiderman?
fricking gary stu
Miles literally ran from all of them.
I hate this fricking monkey just gib more hot miguel pls I cant get through the movie for my husbando
>soloed
Dude ran for his life against an army of Spidermen and a pissed off Miguel and barely escaped.
You're either in first place or last. Miles managed first place
>running away is winning
I mean, he beat em all
>Runs away from them
>Barely escapes
>Only gets to another dimension because he had help
>Gets sent to wrong fricking dimension anyway
>Is currently trapped in the sex dungeon of his alternate reality self
On yes. Unquestionable victory.
He'll squat and do 30 faeces shit threads, that's his contribution.
Diarrhoea happens when not enough water is removed from your stool, or too much fluid is secreted into the stool, making it loose.
he's so ugly bros
Miguel is the best Spider-Man there is since there's no Peter that isn't a tired middle aged man.
Plus he'd kick every other Spider-Man's ass so he gets the job by default
>Plus he'd kick every other Spider-Man's ass so he gets the job by default
There's a reason none of the other spiders even tried to stop him as he violated a 15 year old on screen. How did Sony get away with that btw?
Why did he need backup for vulture then
Because they were there to contain Vulture's damage the canon of Gwen's world to the minimum.
Funnily he was right about not allowing Gwen to join the society, if she didn't, everything in the film could've been avoided.
Why didn't he just keep miles in the dark about the entire thing
Would have been way easier
That was the plan but Gwen fricked everything up by wanting BBC
Neither of those necessitate telling Miles
When it's fricking over billions, if not potentially trillions, it does. Personally, Miguel didn't go far enough.
He knows what's at stake better than anyone, but does he immediately detain Miles when he dooms poojethattan?
You literally don't have to tell him, tell him he's a good boy, send him back to his universe, he can't do shit
None of these are a reason for Miguel to say "So yeah, your dad's gonna die tomorrow, but don't do anything about, okay? Thanks." There would've literally been no problem if Miguel had just kept his mouth shut.
It seems like everyone in the spider society knows about canon events. Gwen knew her dad would die and wasn't going to do anything about it. So why would Miguel think Miles would sperg out? I'm guessing he hoped if he explained it rationally Miles would see reason and stop fricking shit up. Miles came to the conclusion his dad would die by himself.
>It seems like everyone in the spider society knows about canon events. Gwen knew her dad would die and wasn't going to do anything about it. So why would Miguel think Miles would sperg out?
You realize this makes it worse and makes every Spider-Man look like a psychopath except Miles
miguel is an antisocial workaholic who uses trauma as his primary driving motivation to take on one of the most social jobs necessary.
It's pretty transparent that we (including him) only have half the story, though, whether his risk-averse obsession is pure autism, or inflamed by some sort of manipulation ||from lyla||.
In the second chapter we'll learn about the additional circumstances that *actually* caused the collapse of an entire dimension, the cycles of grief metaphor will finally come full circle, and Miguel will come to terms with what lies ||beyond the spider-verse||.
Basic-ass reading comprehension, people.
once he convinces a few spider-people that their various backstory traumas were in fact strictly necessary for the universe to keep ticking, because they were the center of the world this whole time, every subsequent spider-person figures the collective spider-research is sound enough to buy into and make use of the various heroism amenities.
>once he convinces a few spider-people that their various backstory traumas were in fact strictly necessary for the universe to keep ticking, because they were the center of the world this whole time, every subsequent spider-person figures the collective spider-research is sound enough to buy into and make use of the various heroism amenities.
Everyone.. except Miles the bestest Spider-Man
the movie is centered around him, thats how movies work
So if the next movie centered on Spider-Boy, it would be completely fine to have Miles go "you know what, actually frick my dad, I'm going to kill the motherfricker myself" and then Bailey had to physically restrain Miles from killing his dad? It's okay, because the movie would be centered around Bailey.
...yes, the impulsive teenager whose existence miguel already is moderately resentful of (and is likely getting actively shut out of the group for that reason) is more difficult for an authority figure to convince than the million iterations of the same guy you've talked to and other parentless drifters wearing a costume.
is this news to you?
homosexual
cry about it troony.
Are you really a discord troony moderator? (Genuinely asking no disrespect)
yes, no, maybe in that order
>...yes, the impulsive teenager whose existence miguel already is moderately resentful of (and is likely getting actively shut out of the group for that reason) is more difficult for an authority figure to convince than the million iterations of the same guy you've talked to and other parentless drifters wearing a costume.
Naah you're just coping the movie is written like shit by people who hate Spider-Man
...frick, on discord too much.
not like it's any actual spoilers, though, all pretty straightforward implications.
Yeah sure thing, but you're a discord troony so I'm going to dismiss everything you say.
Because Miles disrupted curry spider's canon event and potentially destroyed his world
Did you gays even watch the movie? Nobody told Miles jackshit. He found out about his father’s death because of that future vision moment he had with the spot. He wasn’t going to stay put regardless if Miguel told him about canon events or not.
Miguel didn't know about that, as far as Miguel is concerned Miles is blissfully ignorant about his dad's fate and sending him home to his universe without telling him anything is the best course of action
Spider-Man, literally.
How quads no longer dictates the flow of the thread shows just how far Cinemaphile has fallen.
newbies don't even know to care anymore. Shame.
There was another migration, anon. Guess from where.
The first Miguel
His daughter too.
Uncle Ben, same as any other Spider-Man
he was the only one who could notice the universe about to implode in itself because kilometers' frick ups. he was the only one that could figure out controlled dimensional hopping and put other spider men together. no one stopped him from being in charge
Name a Spider-Man better suited to be in charge
90s TAS Spiderman. He literally went through his version of secret wars just as a test if he was capable of leading other multidimensional Spider-Men.
Best spiderman.
alternate universe where uncle ben became spiderman
Venom
Superior Spider-man
I feel like they changed Miguel so much that you could just replace him with Otto and nothing much would change
Otto would never be able to keep an alliance of Spidermen running
Why not?
His daughter
underrated
are you stupid? the story isn't over. and miguel has already been proven right because miles fricked over prowler miles
Miguel is the only one who takes the job seriously and is willing to do what needs to be done.
Spider-Man 2098.
Miguel O'Hara (from Spider-Man: Shattered Dimensions).
Madame Web?
It's his clubhouse, his toys. If you don't like it, pack your shit and go home
In the comics it was Captain America giving him Thor’s Hammer
So is there a way he can be salvaged in Beyond? Because I feel like he crossed the line from well-intentioned extremist to actual villain. He was taking evil glee as he revealed the truth to Miles. Now I just want to see him get his ass kicked. I feel bad for 2099 fans who were excited Miguel was going to be in this.
He'll admit he was wrong about the entire thing and that canon doesn't actually mean jackshit since the writers of this hate the people who read comics who always harp on what's canon and what's not.
>I feel bad for 2099 fans who were excited Miguel was going to be in this.
The attempted damage control from non-fans has been insufferable. Imagine somebody making excuses/justifications for your favorite character getting ruined in an adaptation, and telling you you're wrong for disliking their portrayal.
The entire discourse around this movie online has been insufferable, probably because the creators directly chose to pander to the most insufferable people on the internet
They pandered to Cinemaphile?
>He was taking evil glee as he revealed the truth to Miles
so would I. have you seen him? miles is such an unbearable fricking homosexual that I'd feel good finally telling him off too.
>miles is such an unbearable fricking homosexual
Okay, well you might just be a special exception, anon.
He's got a point. Some people need to be humbled. Especially smug youngsters "doin ma own thang".
That person that needs to be humbled is being told his dad HAS to die. Maybe, I dunno, deal with it and humble him later?
>t. Miguel
No he doesn’t. Miguel is fricking wrong. In order The thing that seems to stop these canon events is outside interference. If spiderman cany]t save his loved one because he was stopped by the multiverse, that’s preventing a canon event and even if it weren’t, it’s not creating that motivation that Miguel’s moronic ass seems to think it would. Uncle Ben died because Peter didn’t stop the robber. If uncle Ben had died because Miguel held him down and prevented him from saving him, that wouldn’t motivate him to be a hero, that would motivate him to kill Miguel or something. Has Miguel and every other spider-man there forgotten how many times their loved ones were in danger and they managed to save them? Saving someone is a canon event too.
Also none of the stuff that Miguel’s angry at him about is really his fault. He’s not responsible for his universe’s peter’s death. He’s not the one that brought the universe 42 spider over to his universe. He didn’t make that spider give him super powers. If it weren’t for Miles and the other spider-men from the first film, the entire multiverse would have been slagged. So, frick Miguel, he and everyone that agree with him are all homos.
Michael is sexier and therefore is right
*Miguel, not Michael
>t. Niglover
Damn near every single one of his actions towards Miles was provoked out of him. Even him talking shit after choke slamming him when Miles said “Are you even a REAL Spider-Man?” Which is understandable with the context of all the shit Miguel has been doing to keep entire realities in check just for this kid to shit all over it and question his entire identity.
What about when he rudely threw away the empanada Miles brought for him? Then threw the trashcan at him?
The scene spells it out to you. Miguel watches footage of his dead daughter then gets enraged at Miles who just disrupted a canon event and nearly caused a dimension to be destroyed, repeating the tragedy that Miguel suffered. Why the frick wouldn’t he lose his shit at him?
It’s explicitly shown at the start of the movie that Miguel tries to be selective in who he invites to the society. As for the rest of your post, you reek of someone who just dislikes the character and doesn’t realise that it’s a poorly written movie by morons who either didn’t consider that Spider-Man has villains capable of that or they unironically treat Miles as just more special. Then you go on this weird fricking tangent where you seem to be seething because Miguel runs an organisation he made, funds and houses based on a tragedy he suffered for consequences he didn’t realise existed.
>Second half of your post
Gee, anon, I apologize that I didn't like this specific version of a character that no one else seems to like, either. Especially since that seems to be fairly intentional by the filmmakers. I didn't mean to upset you. I'm sorry your favorite Spider-Man got character assassinated by the writers, but I didn't do it. I get that he's completely different from Comics Miguel but, I'm sorry, Movie Miguel is kind of a shit head.
Passive-aggression isn't going to convince anyone here. This isn't reddit, tourist.
>reddit
>redditor
Yes, anon, we all know other websites exist and that people go to them, good job.
>leddit
>people
Not quite a kek on this one, tourist-coon.
Sperging out at someone who didn't know he did anything wrong wasn't going to help anything. He's obviously capable of keeping his anger issues in check and is able tov treat Miles decently afterwards until Miles actually gives him something to sperg about. Before that though, he was just being unreasonable
>he was just being unreasonable
It's not like he was beating the shit out of the kid. He was just pissed off that an entire world is in jeopardy because of what Miles did. He just scolds him a bit and throws a trashcan. And then clarifies that he knows Miles didn't know better but was pissed because Gwen did know better and didn't stop him so now he's got this shit on top of Spot to worry about. He's frustrated but still perfectly reasonable. And to his credit, with all that stress he still calms down in seconds and tries to explain things to Miles and even sympathizes with him but when Miles clearly isn't going to listen to him he just traps him for a few days and doesn't even seem intent on telling him the truth of his status as an anomaly and the damage him getting bit caused at all. Honestly, Miguel only really truly spergs out is during the train sequence and Miles keeps kicking and elbowing him in the face and has the audacity to ask him if he's even sure he's spider-man at which point, his frustration and stress just gets the better of him. Honestly might have been a bit of projection of his own self-loathing since Miguel also sees himself as an outsider compared to the other spider-people and sees Miles repeating his the mistake he made.
Ok that's all fair. I concede Miguel dindu nuffin
>Which is understandable with the context of all the shit Miguel has been doing to keep entire realities in check just for this kid to shit all over it and question his entire identity.
Unless the Society of Spider-People was formed five minutes before the movie started, this can't be the first time Miguel has encountered this sort of behavior from someone, which means that he's just bad at his job. Frick, Miles breaking out of his force field because he has electric powers alone proves this. Are you telling me that out of all the multiversal villains they've detained, none of the various Electros or Shockers have been able to do this? Miguel's force fields should be immune to such techniques. Miguel isn't owed shit just because he's rich and brooding and appointed himself Master of the Multiverse just because HE got a universe killed. To quote a certain raccoon:
>EVERYBODY'S got dead people. It's no excuse to get everybody else dead along the way.
I don't know why you guys are acting as if Miguel is ruined beyond redemption when all the normies are thirsting after him and making video essay after video essay explaining how he is not a villain and wanting him to smack them for being naughty
because he's not at all the character he was supposed to be.
Miguel in the comics puts on a wienersure air in his "personal" life, but is actually a deeply insecure and reserved individual. As Spider-Man he acts completely fricking autistic; but he's still a good meaning dude that is perfectly fine with walking to the beat of your own drum
and then in the movie they made him a swarthy, rule-thumping, overbearing asswipe concerned about the greater good and making sure everyone was marching with him on lockstep.
He's a completely different character. I don't know if him looking completely different under the mask makes that better or worse for me.
The people behind the films legitimately have an axe to grind against people who has read the comics, anon.
Everyone in creative positions at major (and even minor) studios have an “axe to grind” against actual fans of the series / medium they’re apart of because they’re all blackrock funded wiener smokers.
>He's a completely different character
To be fair, they all are. As in literally every Spider-person seen in the movies are not the same ones from the comics anyway. Like they even have they're own different numbered universes that they're from and everything.
i like sperg redhead comic miguel
A bunch of horny morons and coping fans attempting damage control doesn't make much of a difference.
Miguel's just a symptom of the main plot being about this moronic multiversal trolley equation. Best case scenario if the next movie follows suite, Miles is a special case so him and only him gets to save his captain figure/dad, Miguel would still come across like a schizo for going so hard on the boy for trying what any other Spider-Man should have done. Worst case scenario, Miguel and spidersociety come across like absolute sociopaths for allowing an infinite number of different versions of specific people to die for the sake of canon that can actually be gone against if you do your own thang.
I mean, he's easily the coolest character in the movie but at the same time, they've changed his character drastically by making him a villain (though even if he's not outright villainous, at any rate he's still an antagonist)
Like with pretty much every comic book adaptation these days, your opinion on it depends on whether you actually care about the comics or not
Peter Parker died. You can thank Miles Morales for that.
Me, I died.
It's so funny that he threw a table at Miles within 0.5 seconds of meeting him in person
>doin ma own thang
Kingpin's family.
>Tyrannical dictator tells the scared teenager to let his father die, then has his faceless evil army chase down said scared teenager to literally the ends of the Earth only to openly, gleefully, mock him to his face about how he's the universe's biggest mistake
>"MiLeS wAs In ThE wRoNg"
Frickin' A, Cinemaphile.
Miles was in the wrong because he's a shitty character that requires a moronic narrative around him in order to appear worthwhile
>NOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO RISK THE TIME-SPACE CONTINUM BECAUSE OF PERSONAL REASONS OKAY?!
The only reason Miguel is moronic is because he told Miles it was going to happen in the first place, which causes the shitshow that happens instead of just not saying anything and letting things progress as they "should".
And I use that in airquotes because nothing in Miles' universe is happening as it should.
My favorite parts of the movie, however, were 100% the ones where Miguel was bodybagging Miles and calling him a little b***h.
>The only reason Miguel is moronic is because he told Miles it was going to happen in the first place, which causes the shitshow that happens instead of just not saying anything and letting things progress as they "should".
And the really funny thing is that Doctor Strange, who Miguel is critically butthurt about, could have warned him about that.
>If I tell you what happens, it won't happen.
>My favorite parts of the movie, however, were 100% the ones where Miguel was bodybagging Miles
To be fair Miguel ate quite a bit of shit too
Why can't miles keep his fricking mask on?
I'm going to say it, he's an ugly frick and I'm tired of seeing his face. Keep his fricking mask on.
Please.
Same with gwen and her shitty haircut, keep your fricking mask on. It has a cool hoodie and everything.
Yeah I really don't like the mask off thing.
The first movie giving him street clothes over his costume was a much better identifier than seeing his goofy eraser head hair while he's trying to be serious.
It's not like that, every spiderman has his or her distinct look and in some cases animation style, I don't need to see them without a mask to realize who they are. It's like how the MCU does it except there's no diva b***h actor behind the mask so it's even more baffling.
I don't think Sony realized how popular that urban look was going to be. There's a 50/50 chance that if you have a Miles cosplayer running around, they're gonna wear the jacket, shorts, and shoes combo.
>his goofy eraser head hair
Lmao you're fricking right
I've noticed this happens so much lately in different media, i'm a sucker for cool helmets and masks and characters keep refusing to wear them. Watch Ant-Man 3 and take a shot every time someone shows their face for no real reason, you'll be catatonic by the finale.
The only real reason as far as I can tell is that it can sometimes look lazy or weird in animated media/video game cutscenes when a character is speaking with a mask on since you can't see their mouth moving (I noticed this a few times when playing Spider-Man and wearing one of the outfits with a solid helmet that doesn't stretch or move while talking), and in movies/TV I just assume they want to have actors showing faces wherever possible. I'm impressed that the Mandalorian actually stuck to his and only showed the main character's face like once in the last couple of seasons.
It's annoying because they can always use body language, it's not like Spiders are autistic. Besides, their masks are expressive enough.
They're desperate to show off his skin
Everyone takes off their mask at the end for some reason. Peter, Gwen, Miles, and Miguel.
they have no reason to hide their identities around each other, they're all spider-people. It's not like they're going around their own universes with their masks off and revealing themselves to the world. The only reason they wear the masks is to protect their identities
In Hollywood movies it is usually so the actors can show off. Very few actors, like the guy who did the Dredd's remake, accept being the entire or most of the movie without showing their face, since it is one of their main selling points.
Here it was probably because it would be confusing with so many spider-people around. When it was just four in India they all had their masks, but in the chase, everyone relevant takes their mask off (Miguel, Gewn, Miles and Peter B).
>spider-gwen doujin
>original hair
>fricks Peter
Why are the Japanese so stuck in the past?
If the chest looks weird, it's cause I had to edit it cause some mods don't like goopy "yogurt" on grils.
>Same with gwen and her shitty haircut
The sidecut is cool though.
>The sidecut is cool though.
It's shit, but I suppose it's still better than the Disney cartoon, which thought Gwenpool and Spider-Gwen were the same person.
is it just me or is Gwen getting uglier?
she's 15, pedo
Anyone can be ugly!
You can be ugly!
if you didn't know that before, I hope you do now.
Isn't she 16-17 by the time of Across?
Burn the coal, pay the toll
They're baiting all the troony schizos into simping for her.
>spider-gwen doujin
>original hair
>fricks Peter
holy BASED
Jap porn artists have a better handle on Spider-Gwen than the spiderverse writers
The original Gwen was generic as frick. Look at this official work. It looks like a fricking girl's cartoon.
Honestly there should be a girl-centric cartoon about Spider-Gwen. Go all out with the femininity, like an American Sailor Moon, a lot of young girls would eat that up, especially if they sold custom-able fashion dolls of Gwen m, featuring her regular cutesy civilian clothes and her spider suit. None of that drummer punk shit.
I'm so mad there isn't a cartoon like this, DC has that Lauren Faust cartoon we need a girly superhero show by marvel
Dolls already exist.
where can I buy it
Marvel is allergic to money, so that's why they'll never do it
C-can I get a sauce
Why is Peter so funny looking?
It's a mystery.
>Fricks Peter
>Stuck in the past
Because interracial cuckold shit is mainly popular with Americans.
Gwen is for /u/.
Shit like this makes me appreciate Kamen Rider all the more. Riders taking off their helmets or getting them damaged while in combat is so rare that it becomes a cool rare thing when it does happen.
This like a toddler year old smacking an elephant in the face.
Miguel JOBBED to a 15 years old, imagine if he was fighting adult Miles who would have been much closer in strength, endurance and experience to him?
>Miguel JOBBED to a 15 years old,
You mean he was repelled back, unharmed? Meanwhile, Miles was getting manhandled and knocked around like nothing.
I can't be the only one tired of Miles winning all of his major fights with the venom strike, am I?
It's dumb and diffuses any tension in a fight scene. What if Miles runs out of webbing? Why should I care about that when he can just shock his enemies and run away safely?
Miles didn't seem that harmed either despite getting choke slammed multiple times.
That's still impressive to hold your own against someone who's like one gorillion times stronger and more experienced than you
To be fair, while I wouldn't say Miguel did the job to Miles on account of him barely escaping, he still let the kid slip out of his fingers on multiple occasions. Though the end is not partially not his fault either since the writers wanted to have their cake and eat it too by showing that Miles COULD have been at the mercy of the society via Byte.
Miguel recovered instantly and if it were a death match he would have sliced Miles’s head off with his talons like butter.
Miles was hit with the vision of his father dying. He was going to try and stop it. Miguel thought he could reason with him.
But as both are Spider-Man, they each do what they have to do.
>Guys, I fricked up and got a universe destroyed, so clearly I am most qualified to lead you all on a mission to save the multiverse.
I am sick of pretending this movies story isn't distractingly stupid.
Ben 2099, duh.
The real reason is that he is everything miles failed to be - well-written, became popular organically, diverse character, brings unique future setting to the table, completely divorced from Peter’s story and doesn’t repeat any of Peter’s story bits.
We can’t have it when miles must be forced down everybody’s throat at any cost. This is the sole reason the movie tears him and other popular version of spider-man down and drags them through the mud. If you don’t accept miles as bestest spider-man ever, they will simply break all the others.
Hype for the second movie died so fast
Says who?
Lets get real his grasp on authority was tenuous at best and he knew it. Hobie obviously didn't respect him and Peter has no problem getting into his personal bubble to give him shit.
I got this distinct sense a lot of the other Spider-Men were kind of phoning it in during the chase. Miguel tried to tell them about Miles ahead of time but literally all of them blew it off. When he went to go deal with Miles's family he only trusted Jessica and Ben to come with him. His techie running the machine also more or less immediatley defected.
Miguel's leadership was pretty clearly based less on beint respected or feared by the other spiders and more just he took it upon himself and knows not to push any Spider-Men who aren't wide eyed rookies too far.
I don't know where to begin with this, zoomie.
>hobo
was scared of him. he's the same grey throughout the exposition scene that he was when Pavitr spat in fate's eye. He never antagonizes mig directly and does his subversion when he's distracted or out of the area.
>chase
was done to make miles look strong. character assassination on this has been pointed out already.
Oh no the punk Spider-Man who rejects authority is rejecting authority! Miguel must have such weak authority!
Is he in charge of Nueva York as well?
His personal army od hundreds of spider mutants goes on a rampage through the city and no one bats an eye, including the local dystopian cyberpunk authorities?
spider-man, i guess peter parker in general, is not known for his assertive leadership skills. he's probably the only one who tried to be in charge
>try and make Miguel out to be the villain
>all the fans love him
They knew what they were doing when they beefed up his design from the first movie. He was made for the female gaze
He was made for the gay male gaze, Kris Anka redesigned him
Yes, female. Social media is filled with his simps and at least 8/10 are unironic women. And that's before you get into places like tumblr or ao3.
huh, is there a side by side comparison anywhere?
He became so rectangular.
My biggest grip about his new design is the impractically long arm blades, like why
It's to show how edgy he became.
>It's to show how big he became.
ftfy
Because frick yeah it's Guyver time.
You people are so boring
David Hayter, I mean Solid Snake, I mean Guyver thinks you're a loser.
I am sort of wondering if that difference between design was on purpose and that this is supposed to imply if that the Miguel we see in AtSV is some sort of imposter and that the one from the ItSV is still out there somewhere. Then again, I could still be wrong and overthinking things, but it's just a thought.
I dunno if you're the same person but honestly it's not the first time I've seen this theory. Some are thinking that we're getting taken for a ride on some inheritor shit but I never got into those stories so I wouldn't know.
i do think it's more likely they gave miguel a design touch up when they realised he was going to be a major character in the next one. like most animted movie sequels, like frozen 2, remake the models. i'd be surprised if they're still using the exact same gwen model too
All the spiders had to be incredibly moronic to be manipulated by months at the minimum by a guy that feeds on them. To not mention that Inheritors aren't known by their patience.
This and Miguel seems to truly believe in what he's doing, and that he's the good guy here.
what was miguel even asking of them before the collider went off?
I assume that was the Collider incident that rushed him to form the society.
>randos are showing up where they shouldn't, kek em and bring em back so we can deport em
>don't interfere with anything tied to canon, here's what we know so far
Then Gwen inadvertently brought Miles to a canon event and roped Pavitrs home...
I'm more curious about how many canon events and universes have been derailed that the Society has a task force designed to contain a broken canon
Too many, going by miggys demeanor for lines like
>Everytime I tried, I only made things worse
Considering he's a scientist, he likely went through a shit huge amount of experiments trying to see if canon could be defied, and then even more to see if anything could stop the resulting collapse. It's honestly a surprise that he hasn't roped with all the lives that went into the containment tech they developed.
we know at least mcu spiderman fricked it up good
My guess is that it will be revealed they’re two different Miguels and the smaller one will be an ally in the next movie that fights the Spider-Society Miguel.
>smaller one will be an ally in the next movie that fights the Spider-Society Miguel
He's gonna get pummeled. He's smaller, weaker, and less serious about the job
Speaking of 60s Cartoon Spider-Man, I'm convinced him "pulling something" in the chase is foreshadowing the Spider-Lynch Mob phoning the chase in.
I'd heard the 'Miguel being a secret Inheritor' theory and that bit in his first scene where he goes all vampire for a second had me thinking about it, but frankly, the Inheritors sucked in Slott's Spider-Verse and I can't see them introducing a whole new group of villains in the last third of the trilogy
>female
So he would look different from all the other spider-folx
between him Marco and rex I don't know man latinos do something to me I can't explain it but my god man they are so frick good for my porn archive
Almost like he's by far the best Spider-man not named Peter Parker
He's not really a villain, just an antagonist. He'll come around next movie and they'll all be buddy-buddy at the end.
How much screentime does this hot daddy have?
I don't want to watch this movie for the annoying teenagers
About 40% of the movie is him or him inducing panic in someone.
Trust me, it's worth watching just for him
Has anyone made a version of this image for Miles-1610 and Miles-42 yet
the gun charge changed him
So how do they fix it in the next movie? If Miguel is actually an Inheritor, then that still means he managed to persuade a good number of beloved Spider-men to his side.
If Miles is right, then all of those Spider-men are fools and betrayed the core ideals of the character.
If Miles is wrong, well, he can't be.
So what's the call?
Good edit anon.
>I AM SPIDERMAN
can someone explain to me like talking to a moron why 90's TAS Spiderman isn't in these?
Makes sense to save him for Beyond since he's had past experience of fighting The Spot
Wouldn't be surprised if Miguel deliberately didn't recruit Spidermen to the Spider Society that can actively deal with The Spot for some currently unknown reason, which is why we didn't see Madame Web or Supaidaman (if its anything like the Spidergeddon comic Sword Vigor could be the killing blow)
So there's no legal or dumb reason why he isn't in the movies, just that they didn't want to use him (yet)? Seems like a no brainer to include him since he's one of the most popular incarnations of Spiderman, but maybe he's too similar to B I guess?
If you noticed, no Peter Parker variants other than Peter B. are allowed to have significant roles in the film, and B is only there to be a joke and fellate Miles anyway.
That's one of the things that bothered me the most about the writing, how they try as hard as they can to minimize Peter's legacy.
Noir is a Peter variant
>B is only there to be a joke and fellate Miles anyway.
What because he's being silly? Peter B is legitimately happy with his own family now. Has a great relationship with MJ. Is getting in shape again after getting himself back in the game. Was the only one capable of catching Miles nearly instantly once they were outside of the tower. And was the only one who actually talked to him, got him to calm down, and nearly convinced him to not run until Lyla chiming in fricked up. Peter's not the main focus of the movie, but he's clearly not just being a joke here nor is he just felatting Miles because though he clearly cares for the kid he's also the one besides Miguel who tries to get him to understand that he can't have it all.
Peter doesn't need Miles to convince him having kids is a good idea
Wait, you're mad because he was afraid of having children, spent some time with a good kid who put his life on the line to try and help him, helped and guided that kid himself through their time together, and saw that kid grow and thought maybe he could actually want that to? Peter B had a rough life and kept losing people and making mistakes and was scared of having a child. It's a very human response and Peter is and always will be a human with doubts and fears. It's not like he actually didn't want them and nothing is wrong with spending time with kid and warming to the idea of one. It's not like it's disrespectful or anything. It's actually one of the more wholesome and satisfying arcs Peter has had in a very long time. I honestly don't get the issue here.
Yes I am mad they took away core Peter Parker's traits to make Bendis' garbage appear useful in his life by providing him motivation to have kids, something he always wanted on his own long before Bendis even saw his first cuck porn
You have to consider that Across and Beyond are two parts of one massive film, so it makes sense to hold off on some of the big hitters
>You cannot alter canon events in your own universe or else reality will come apart! Trust me, I know, I destroyed an entire universe while trying to live someone else's life in a universe that wasn't mine.
Who the hell is going to try to dethrone him?
>this movie expects me to like the smug black kid with bootleg static shock powers over the edgy and futuristic mestizo with cooler powers
I'd like to think the thousands of other Spider-People would be able to. He's an edgelord Spider-Man, not Thanos.
He couldn't defeat The Vulture without help from two other spider people, so a group of 3-4 spider people can take it
A Vulture that doesn't trigger anyone's Spider-Sense, has access to near instantaneous resupply for his suit and weapons, and is strong enough to wrestle a Spider that tanked a full Venom Blast.
Context, redditor, context.
Blond Peter?
The moment people start to rewatch this movie at home the Spider-Society will shift from “WOW these guys are awful” to “Wow these guys are the only thing keeping everything together and the people against them are idealistic morons”. Seriously, so many miss particular lines and details in the movie that addresses most of the criticisms for the society while there is frickall for the protagonists.
>How do you know?
Because I watched the movie online and took extensive notes by pausing and rewinding when needed. Milesgays have nothing to stand on here. The Spider-Society is completely right.
You're just racist and hate Miles because he's a strong African American role model
As a Milesgay, I'm not in the camp that either are actually right as the movie never explicitly says who's right or wrong. Miles never gets rewarded for his actions at the end of the day and his brief triumphs ends up making things worse and worse for himself until the movie ends with him stuck with his evil alternate with no way of getting home while Spot is getting ready to frick up his city and he's not there to defend it. The movie also hints that Mile's buy two cakes approach will not work because trying so hard to get two for his dad ended up with both ruined and even Ganke tell him he's stretching himself thin trying to do both and is noticeably falling apart. Not to mention, it's made clear multiple times nobody in spider society wants Miles' father to die. They don't want anyone to die at all but with what they know they're not willing to risk fricking with the natural order because they've gone through the tragedies in their lives already and understand that they can't save everyone but at least they can keep literal worlds of people alive, they also go to great lengths to show you what Miguel is trying to prevent and his side of the argument while Miles is operating solely on his emotions and the belief that it's the spot that caused the hole in Pavitr's world and he could be right but we don't know. Clearly there's more to this shit that'll get explored in beyond but I can't tell you how much it annoys me when people throw out the nuance and go 'nooooo spider society is a death cult and miguel is evil'.
But I think the takeaway from the film is also "Sure, Trauma is a teaching tool and can make you a better person, but so can love and inspiration". You can see it in the contrast between Peter B. and Peni. Peter has been posistively changed by Miles. He's got a kid, he's losing weight, he's back into being the one and only spiderman. Meanwhile Peni is in a depressive slump. Sure, Peni's still Spiderman, but you don't have to have everything go wrong to be so. Peni was a perfectly okay Spiderman before things got (even) worse for her (I know she has loss before).
He's a tall, handsome, muscular chad with a take charge personality, he's a natural leader.
WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE!!?
meow
Distracting Miguel with a laser pointer!
heh that's very cute
All the zoomers are gonna think Miguel is a canon villain now
Only if they're complete morons with no sense of nuance.
I think so too. I really hope the sequel is going to center on that message because that's what feels like the best resolution at least to me. Have Peter's words finally getting through to Miles on accepting the bad with the good as it's not the end of the world even with how painful things can get and with Miguel also learning that he doesn't have to let his tragedies and mistakes define his life either. I don't think it's any coincidence Miguel and Miles are on such opposite ends of the spectrum because they both could learn a bit from the other's approach to being Spider-man. Sidenote: If Miguel turns out to be the one to save Miles father in Beyond, I will lose my fricking mind.
>Have Peter's words finally getting through to Miles on accepting the bad with the good as it's not the end of the world even with how painful things can get
A deterministic universe is an awful awful setting for a Spider-Man story
>A deterministic universe is an awful awful setting for a Spider-Man story
this. especially as spider-man's own origin story is fundamentally one of learning to live with the pain of responsibility. Peter consistently and frequently - even in the original comic run - ruined his own life and interpersonal relationships by prioritizing his duties as Spider-Man. The stance taken by the original stories were that these duties; the responsibilities and obligations Peter had as someone who could make a difference, would and should always take priority in Peter's life, even when it punched him in the mouth, because it was the right thing to do.
This is also why it's a timeless story that is relatable to every growing male youth, because it fundamentally adapts the struggles of manhood and the toll it takes as you get older.
Deviating from this idea goes against the fundamental grains of what made Spider-Man special.
I'm taking spiderverse requests since the draw thread dried up
Miguel with cat ears
cute
Peni doing that battered doomer stare with purple light from that cyberpunk movie and a nose bandage.
NTA, but that's great, kek
you're alright, drawanon
Meowguel O'Hara vs Miles Meowles
Spider-Man Unlimited taking Naoko and his stepson to work and introducing them to Gwen and Miles, that'd be pretty cute
what is it with peter and coalburners?
Shane's dad is mexican.
Miguel O'Hara (from ATSV) playing chess with Miguel O'Hara (from Shattered Dimensions)
Boogie spider 🙂
Well he is the one who has the tech to jump dimensions... so you could assume he contacted all the spidersonas. I don't believe he's a leader based on how people react to his orders he's really more of an organizer who people disobey while he's trying to keep shit from falling appart all the time.
>I don't believe he's a leader
How so? He has the final say on who can join and on who gets kicked out. He commanded all the spider people to stop everything and immediately chase Miles without question. It seems very taboo to question his authority throughout the movie, and most of the people who do do it discreetly. The one calling all the shots and who owns all the gadgets is typically the leader.
Not to change the subject, but did Ben look like he was playing to that Spider Woman next to him?
chads always take charge
The frick is going on in this page
>on Cinemaphile
>in a Spider-Man thread
>never read Tracy Scops before
The Spidermen who didn't canon so good.
Interesting fact about Spiders-mating
btw i gotta...draw something...really quick
god damnit
https://twitter.com/alien0juice/status/1672078836576444416?s=20
>Have to now make an account to view 18+ stuff
Frick twitter that gay ass website I'm not making an account.
here you go
https://files.catbox.moe/g28rs2.png
You a real one for that. Thanks.
Surprisely the first Spider-Verse Jessica Draw porn i saw
And Good work btw
hanks I've drawn another one before ill be honest it's mostly because she looks like on oc of mine lol
Miguel is wrong simply because any time there's a "let destiny do awful shit because it's destiny" plot in fiction, the person saying "let destiny do awful shit because it's destiny" has never been A) right or 2) the good guy.
>miguel is wrong because i simply wish him to be wrong and the bad guy
Yeah, cause that was what I said.
If Otto was in Spiderverse what would his role be
I'm gonna laugh so hard at all the Miguel defenders when Beyond reveals that he's just a lying snake who wants other Spider-Men to suffer because he suffered.
ok manlet
Uh huh, whatever you say, gaylord
The plot is simply moronic as frick and perfectly demonstrates the worst aspects of multiverse plots.
Into the Spider-Verse has to be one of my favorite animated movies of all time but holy FRICK I was so disappointed by the sequel. I don't think I've ever been that let down by a movie before. Either Miguel is right and the movie is full of plot holes or Miguel is wrong and they just character assassinated a multiverse worth of Spider-Man incarnations to prop up Miles. I loved Miles in the first film but frick him in this movie and frick the directors for how much they shilled him at the expense of everyone else, something they even admitted to blatantly.
>I loved miles in memeverse
>But now I say frick miles in memeverse
I don't understand your stupid take. If you really knew who or why miles existed since his conception you'd know character assassination is simply a normal intended part of the story.
Miles and memeverse didn't go anything wrong. You're like an angel screaming at a demon for doing Demonic shit.
Ever think about how most of the core audience who watched No Way Home probably didn't ever see the Raimi movies?
I always feel ancient thinking about that.
Handsome Spooder.
I wonder if people would've liked Miguel as much if they would've used the white suit
Hot damn! Is that his ballsack I spy??
Peter sure is lucky his nanofiber mask is stopping the tongue action here, because she's very clearly trying.
Who tops?
Lyla 1000% Miguel is a sub
Congratulations you are correct anon!
Softdom though right?
Why is Miguel's entire motivation basically "pretend the spot doesn't exist"
He brought the Spot when chewing out Miles the first time though. And Gwen was supposed to take care of him before she got sidetracked chasing Miles' dick
>chasing Miles busy
ftfy
Jesus Christ, our lord and saviour
>I AM SPIDER MAN! ARE YOU?
>I know that despite me saying that I won't actually take responsibility for that, and am willing to let my universe be destroyed because I don't want my father to die. Which is reasonable because I am a stupid idealistic teenager who loves the friendly neighborhood part of being Spiderman
>BUT
>I will STILL adamantly refuse to accept that I am wrong and cling to the mantle of Spider-Man, even questioning the veracity of others who claim the mantle despite everything they've had to personally sacrifice in the name of their duties
>You are supposed to root for me.
Kek. Now watch the next movie justify this by showing that Miguel and all the other Spider-Men were just..somehow wrong about the timeline pruning effect
Why are you people acting like this? You think Peter would, if told that Uncle Ben is going to die and to just let it happen.. just let it happen? And you would then get upset if he proved Miguel wrong?
This movie literally says "yes he would" which is why everyone's been railing against it
That already happened to Peter before he found out about it. It's easy to think you'd be ok with something after it already happened. The better question would be if Peter would just let Mayday die if he was told it was a canon event
see
Did you just respond to a post responding to a post you're responding to the post with?
>This movie literally says "yes he would"
Nah. The movie literally says "Yes, a Spider-Man who has already experienced Uncle Ben's death would". Even if he's ultimately forced to accept it because "lol destiny", a Peter who's yet to have Ben die would fight tooth and nail to save him, and I guarantee there's "What Ifs" where that's happened. So, frick you, you disingenuous homosexuals.
>missing the point THIS hard
You have to be shitposting
Feel free to explain the "point", then, instead of have me read your mind. Please don't act like a moron, though. Just answer honestly.
Insomniac Spidey let May die for the greater good
Aunt May was dying and it was a choice between using all of the cure on her, with no hopes of synthesizing more, or let her die and synthesize more of the cure to save the hundreds of people also currently dying.
Miles's Dad is still alive and about to be assassinated.
The two situations are different.
Literally, wasn't what everyone wanted him to do during OMD?
Yeah, some of Marvel's top-liners in terms of magic and technology basically give Peter the run around when he wants them to save Aunt May. Too bad Quesadilla is a c**t and let his feelings ruin the writing, but Peter being desperate to save her is on-point, at least.
Reminder that Doctor Strange let Peter astral project to ANYONE he knew to ask for help and despite the X-Men having this motherfricker who can literally heal any wound to the point of regrowing a man's heart after it had been ripped out of his ribcage they told Peter there was nothing they could do
If it might destroy an entire world/universe/timeline/whatever you want to call it? And there were no magical deals with the devil to get him out of having to make that call?
Yes, he would. We know because that storyline happened.
>but what if he had never experienced Ben die and was still a teenager?
then it'd be reasonable for him to feel that way, just like it's reasonable for miles. But what not a single person who tries to defend his stance ever wants to acknowledge is that it's possible to be reasonable, but also be wrong. And M Slims over here is wrong, and is endangering a genuinely unfathomable number of innocent lives for his own personal gain - and he has the gall and lack of self-awareness to question the other Spider-Men who have been there, and have had to go through that
the problem isn't that Miles is like this. The problem is that the narrative treats Miles like he's the one who's right, and that everyone else is wrong, and because I actually read the comic books - including Miles' runs - I know exactly how the third movie is going to play out. I'll eat crow if it doesn't go the way I said it will.
>Yes, he would.
In this storyline you're mentioning, does he immediately jump to letting Ben die? I'd like to hear the name of it.
>But what not a single person
My guy, how many people have you talked to about this? Miles could be wrong, but it's reasonable for him to act the way he does. There's your, apparently, first admittance to that. But the key phrase is "could" because this is capeshit and it's not a guarantee that some sort of work-around won't be found. Not everything is another Watchmen-lite take on superheros.
>the narrative treats Miles like he's the one who's right
Why wouldn't it? He's the Main Character. This is literally par for the course in pretty much every bit of superpower/magic fiction for "kids" and Peter would do the same in his shoes if someone warned him of Ben's or Captain Stacy's imminent deaths.
>Why wouldn't it? He's the Main Character
He's the poochie, making the actual main character of the IP act like a moron so the new guy can look good is classic poochie writing, see Rey having to teach Luke what being a Jedi is all about
>pointless whinging
Ok, man.
>valid complaints are pointless whinging
Ok shill
Don't care. Didn't read.
I find it so weird. You can make a poochie that brings out the flaws with the main character or be disappointed by the main character. What makes Milies so bad is how he established to beat all of the Spiderman at once and isn't a respectable counter to the older Spiderman characters at all.
It's about.
>I will do my thang
>I am Spiderman
Instead of:
>Having all of these Spidermans and Villains in one dimension should "break the canon". Why doesn't it?
>If Spiderman is meant to suffer and do nothing to save his father, I will not be him!
The other issue is how drastic they are with the society and refuse to bring up other times canon events are broken to create the destruction of these worlds.
Worst of all, the premise is to jack off Strange and Miles for their stupid bullshit. Loki got fricked when he played with the dimensions.
>In this storyline you're mentioning, does he immediately jump to letting Ben die?
now you're moving the goal posts with language like that, kek. No one has said that Miles should be excited to forwardly sacrifice his father, just that the narrative shouldn't pretend him losing his shit and doing his own thang makes him the good guy in that situation, because he's not.
>My guy, how many people have you talked to about this?
how many posters have been in the threads about the movie since it came out, reddit-kun?
>There's your, apparently, first admittance to that.
which I have purported twice in this very thread, but ok.
>Why wouldn't it? He's the Main Character.
because, my dear reddit-kun, it's shitty writing; presenting a situation where your main character is Wrong and then twisting the story around to justify why they're actually Right All Along is dumb and unsatisfying.
It makes every other Spider-Man involved in the movie besides the few who decide to go along with him look bad for the exclusive purpose of making Miles look good (something his own comics are known for, so that's pretty on brand)
The story as presented is that Miles has a conflict of interest between being Spider-Man or not - represented literally in him having to choose between saving a loved one and seemingly dooming an entire timeline vs letting that loved one die to save that timeline - a convoluted trolly problem. Save (X) strangers, or 1 person you love? Miles chooses his father. Which is reasonable for his character, because he's a human being, and humans are flawed.
But it's also the objectively wrong decision to make, and the narrative pretending that it's not ruins anything the film could have going for it.
>and Peter would do the same in his shoes if someone warned him of Ben's or Captain Stacy's imminent deaths
......unless doing so would mean killing others. Because with great power comes great responsibility.
Why are you letting this moron bait you? Stop replying to him.
>has no argument
>IT'S B-BAIT
The common screech of a coward and loser,
>The common screech of a coward and loser,
cope and seethe
the only two possible explanations for what you've been posting is that you're either a moronic tourist, or a shitposter
i'm actually giving you the benefit of the doubt here.
>Because I like to try and at least pitch a good faith bone, even to tourists.
whatever floats your boat, i guess
Nah. You're just hiding behind condescension because you can't prove me wrong when it comes to your opinion on things. It's alright.
>now you're moving the goal posts
I literally did not. You are making a new argument because you know the one you presented is incomplete. The way you're responding tells me Peter in fact does NOT jump to letting Uncle Ben die and so would do what Mile is doing.
>because he's not
In your opinion, because you're bizarrely hung up on the Main Character not being portrayed as being in the wrong on an issue that has yet to be definitively resolved at the moment. Because comic heros never ever ever go against the grain and manage miracles impossible odds. That's just not a thing at all.
>reddit-kun
You know, what? I thought you might have something worth reading over and responding to, but it's clear you're just a homosexual looking for a dopamine hit. Done reading.
>You are making a new argument because you know the one you presented is incomplete.
>The way you're responding tells me Peter in fact does NOT jump to letting Uncle Ben die and so would do what Mile is doing.
I've already explained why he wouldn't, so I'm not going to regurgitate it because you lack reading comprehension or the IQ to extrapolate things without them needing to be broken down for you point by point
>but it's clear you're just a homosexual looking for a dopamine hit. Done reading.
Get mad, stomp your feet and run away all you like then, I'll accept your concession.
Because I like to try and at least pitch a good faith bone, even to tourists.
They always wind up conceding though, see above, kek
>I've already explained why he wouldn't
You have explained why you believe he wouldn't, based on a Peter that has already suffered his death, yes. It's too bad it doesn't apply to a Peter who would be in Miles's situation, as in Uncle Ben (well, Captain Stacy) would be alive in his case.
>just extrapolate, bro!
I did. Someone coming to a different conclusion based shouldn't make you so mad.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>good faith
Uh huh.
His universe won't collapse because he saw a vision of the Spot killing his father BEFORE Miguel clued him in on it.
Currently in the theater to watch this movie for the third time
We could have had it all.
>my guy
>doesn't read the comics
>unironically shilling for miles
>can't defend against valid criticisms and resorts to low hanging fruits like "MUH CAPESHIT DOESN'T NEED TO BE NUANCED EVEN THOUGH THE BEST AND MOST BELOVED SPIDERMAN STORYLINES ALWAYS WERE" and "didn't read! whinging!"
What the frick are you talking about
I want him so bad
How has Superior Spider-man, the original leader of the Spiderverse in the comics not been brought up? He could have been the antagonist without completely changing his character like compared to ATSV Miguel and Comic Miguel. For Christ's sake they were worried about making Miguel "sympathetic". Nah, wouldn't have to worry about making Otto a complete butthole.
>it gets mad when an anon calls it a redditor
Hm. Well, if it quacks like a duck...
Whoever he killed, probably.
Miguel is playing the long con bros. Mark my words. Once Miles’s dad is out the picture, he’s going to be there to “comfort” Rio. Miles is just fricking up his plan.
Okay, ignoring literally everything about the other Spider-Men. And focusing solely on the main cast from this and the previous movie.
Why would Peter B. Noir, and Ham believe in this "pre-destined" canon bullshit? Gwen and Peni, fine, Gwen was desperate to believe in anything after her own father believed she murdered her best friend, and Peni, sure maybe things got really bad after she got home and was desperate to believe anything.
But Peter B? Why would he believe that people need to die for the "greater good of the multiverse" or some such bullshit, he knows how shitty life can be, do the people praising this movie really genuinely think the man who said "sometimes you just need to take a leap of faith for things to turn out alright" would throw all that away? Noir is from the 30s/40s, he even said he fought the Nazis, who's were very big on "muh greater good", why would he fall in line? And Spider-Ham is a fricking Looney Tunes characters, the whole joke and premise 90% of LT shorts is the little guy seemingly being outgunned and then turning the tables on them.
What reason would any of them have to join Miguel?
Noir and Ham never joined Miguel. Peter B was there to experience Miguel’s dimension collapsing firsthand, so he’s probably there out of a sense of guilt. Did you even watch the movie you fricking Black person?
>Oops all headcanon
That's not head canon, you dumb frick. Noir and Ham are never even seen until Gwen puts together her "Let's go help Miles" team at the literal very end of the movie.
That doesn't prove they weren't part of it dipshit
do you get bored with the same conversations
I came into the thread hoping for horny posting, but I'm left disappointed
there's some art from a drawgay further up it looks like every spiderverse thread has to be people flinging shit at each other so they scare the hoes
Same. I’m just waiting for the next Peni x Miles thread to dump all this new art I found of them.
>peni x miles
This reminds me, the way they characterized Ben in this movie is so shit, too.
His posing for those two spider-women in the lobby was kinda funny.
A bit, but it was also completely out of character. It may as well have been someone else wearing the suit.
>Same. I guess now I know how Noir bros felt after the first movie.
Yeah, I felt the same way about Noir in that movie too
my experience with the movie and people who watched it is that anyone who actually was invested in and a fan of the actual characters who appeared in it were unsatisfied
while the secondaries and tertiaries who were vaguely aware of spiderman - like they watch the movies, maybe they grew up watching one or two of the cartoon series all enjoyed it. And I guess those people were always going to be the target audience anyway but I still wish that my favorite characters didn't get mis-represented so badly in it
Ben being there made me wonder why Miles being Spiderman is a problem when Ben is a clone of Peter who wasn't supposed to exist
There's probably some B.S. like "Ben being a clone of Spider-Man is actually a canon event" or some shit.
You can’t contain Latino artists bro…
Same. I guess now I know how Noir bros felt after the first movie.
There already is one, dude. You're more than welcome to join us.
>Who died and made him in charge of Spider-verse?
A overworked animator which animated different scenes featuring him
The entire narrative is motivated by making Black person-spiderman subvert and replace the real spider-man so everything about it, from the character's decisions to their unreasonable motivations are a vehicle for that idea.
This movie proved beyond the shadow of a doubt that Cinemaphile is constantly under bombardments of raids by shills, twitter morons, and discord gays
More like Cinemaphile is filled with bitter contrarians that can't move on.
Ok shill
Has it been leaked yet?
Some cop.
Miguel is a hypocrite because if his canon even theory is true, then he's not a real Spider-Man because he was never bit by a radioactive spider like the others, and instead has to periodically inject himself with Spider-Man DNA to give himself powers.
>Spider-Man Dna
Milesgays can't read.
It sucks what they did to Ben because he is by far one of the best-looking spiders in the film. Hopefully he gets some respect in Beyond
He won't
They established that this is gonna be his character and they're gonna stick to it
I know, at this point I'm happy if they let him do something useful and cool
They didn't really do either of that in this movie
They just had him be a joke character who gets bodied by Miles and Gwen
His daughter?
Anyone else bothered by how close he got to his ear to say that?
There was malice in that
Horny potential too considering the fics/fanart
Yeah, that wasn't "well-intentioned extremist regretfully revealing a harsh truth," that was "villain enjoying making the hero suffer."
It was sexy. I was bothered by how much it turned me on.
I'm bothered by the fact that he stood there dry humping Miles for 5 minutes instead of choking him or knocking him out or something
>Who died and made him in charge of Spider-verse?
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him
This shit looks like a moody Reboot current productions are pathetic I feel sorry for kids these days.
>Who died and made him in charge of Spider-verse?
Who is he even supposed to be?
He's supposed to be like their leader that tells who goes where
is the second move better than the first movie?
I remember dropping the first movie because Mile was too boring for me.
>better
no, it's worse in every single way except the actual animation. It's a VERY pretty movie, and very stylistic, but the story and characters fricking suck for the most part - especially if you actually care about whether or not characters are consistent to the comics
If you disliked Miles in 1, you'll want to an hero watching him in 2
You know, it's very possible that Miguel was intentionally avoiding Spider-People who think like Miles and agree with the whole "Frick fate" thing and was simply cherry picking those who agreed with him. There's no way Spider-Ham would agree with him. It's very likely he preyed on Peni's mental state after her second canon event. I highly doubt Tobey Maguire, Andrew Garfield, or Tom Holland would agree with him. And Supaidaman would probably just pull a machine gun out on him. And if he's intentionally avoiding certain Spider-People, then something shady is going on.
Miguel was suppose to be the one to buck break Miles, but Miles ended up breaking him.