Lex literally admitted to being second to Batman. Accounting for Luthor's ego, and some of Batman's villains (Joker, Riddler, etc.) Lex is probably in the top 5 but not the top 3.
>Lex literally admitted to being second to Batman.
It's obvious Batwank from none other than notorious character assassin Tom Taylor in yet another DC continuity in which everybody dies because it's fricking Tom Taylor. It's best to take it with a grain of salt. Lex's characterization that's been cultivated over the past few decades would've never said something like that or even have had the thought even if it was true.
Luthor would LITERALLY never say or even imply this, Taylor is fricking stupid.
Johns having Luthor as number 1 and Bruce as number 2 makes more sense.
The reason why Batman has to be dead is because with Bat dead, he can't detective up some obscure character who's able to be smarter than Luthor, as well as give good reasons _why_ he's smarter than Luthor.
This isn't about Batman being #1, this is about Batman being Batman over Luthor's objections.
>I am the most intelligent person on the planet and... >Wait. Batman is dead, yes? >Right. Then I am the most intelligent person on the planet
Did Taylor not realize out of character this is for Luthor?
Even if Bruce was smarter, Luthor wouldn't admit, he'd act like he's the smartest man around whether Batman was alive or not.
Remember before Batwank really set in and Batman had no idea how to stop Swamp Thing from rampaging across Gotham and Lex came in and wrote the solution down in a few seconds? Better times
Both Lex and Batman have stupid crazy smart moments.
Batman once had the Mobius chair to travel and observe time and space to know everything.
And Lex once Went through/(beyond?) the source wall, to obtain impossible knowledge (the anti-life equation). It was said only a "12th lvl intellect" could survive.
But let's be honest, Batman is "good" and Lex is "Bad". And DC is pretty simple, black and white.
Good guys win, bad guys lose. (most of the time)
Batman and John Henry are far too high. For similar reasons, also Ted.
Ray Palmer is far, far too low. Savage just has a lot of lived history and therefore experience and practical knowledge, he doesn't really show he can extrapolate that to, for example, overcome someone else's intelligence.
Hiro is more like a brilliant engineer and doesn't feel like he's enough general knowledge base to, again, overcome others on that list.
I would also have included Clark Kent, even if post Bronze Age doesn't mostly show him with Super Intelligence, other than Morrison.
Also, you probably need to add way more aliens. The little blue smurfettes would probably qualify, not only for similar reasons that Savage might be able to justify his placement (just lower) on a better list, but they also have shown they could create incredible things purely on intelligence, imagination, etc. Likewise, there are probably other non-humans who would fit the bill but I'm not going to do everyone's homework for them.
>Also, you probably need to add way more aliens
I should've specified this was just a list for the smartest humans, so no aliens.
Mainly because aliens generally have access to more resources than humans do.
For example, Superman can often be seen tinkering with technology beyond Batman's usual pay grade, but it's a lot easier to put a spacecraft together when you have three functioning spacecrafts in your ice fortress to use as reference, along with databanks from across the galaxy and records that detail the science behind faster than light travel, etc.
The list bases a lot of its conclusions off of demonstrated scientific aptitude, and that's hard to get a grip on if all the characters don't share a similar starting point.
Gotcha and fair point, which is why, perhaps, John Henry and Hiro don't belong there. For example, Bruce and Ted both do similar engineering but also have examples of things like research, strategy, etc., that definitely Hiro doesn't have and, at minimum not having read all of Steel's solo run admittedly, I'm not sure Irons had shown he can do the full gamut the way they did. A very brilliant engineer but, for example, Lex was clearly good at strategy, good at science, good at business, etc. Likewise, Bruce and Ted both successfully ran businesses, even if for LOLZ, Ted was shown as not being good at it or needed assistance (and here we can look at Fox for Bruce, whereas Lex ran his company on his own).
I also would still not put Savage on there at all. He might, for example, do well on something very general like an ACT exam, but could not crush an LSAT, whereas Lex, Mr. Terrific and others probably could do really well on a test like the LSAT or the MCAT without any notice.
I'm so glad I don't read comicbooks, because everytime I see something posted it's generally moronic and full of salty buttholes who are mad their ideas will never reach above some useless content farm.
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Face it homosexual, that's what comics are. Shit writers who are pissed that their bad ideas will always be stuck in niche fanfiction tier with a dying boomer fanbase. They couldn't get into hollywood because they're ass so all they can do is write poor stories that don't sell.
Lex is smart enough to know that DC has been trying to make Batman be Triple Superman uh-HUH! since the 90s. And they're STILL trying to fold that cracker.
Between Lex and Luthor it's gotta be Luthor
Lex literally admitted to being second to Batman. Accounting for Luthor's ego, and some of Batman's villains (Joker, Riddler, etc.) Lex is probably in the top 5 but not the top 3.
>Lex literally admitted to being second to Batman.
It's obvious Batwank from none other than notorious character assassin Tom Taylor in yet another DC continuity in which everybody dies because it's fricking Tom Taylor. It's best to take it with a grain of salt. Lex's characterization that's been cultivated over the past few decades would've never said something like that or even have had the thought even if it was true.
Luthor would LITERALLY never say or even imply this, Taylor is fricking stupid.
Johns having Luthor as number 1 and Bruce as number 2 makes more sense.
Weren't Luthor AND Batman both out geniused by a chimp?
Maybe, but he's a monkey, you might as well count Brainiac too.
>Weren't Luthor AND Batman both out geniused by a chimp?
To be fair, Geoff's comment was about the smartest man/human on Earth.
The reason why Batman has to be dead is because with Bat dead, he can't detective up some obscure character who's able to be smarter than Luthor, as well as give good reasons _why_ he's smarter than Luthor.
This isn't about Batman being #1, this is about Batman being Batman over Luthor's objections.
>I am the most intelligent person on the planet and...
>Wait. Batman is dead, yes?
>Right. Then I am the most intelligent person on the planet
Did Taylor not realize out of character this is for Luthor?
Even if Bruce was smarter, Luthor wouldn't admit, he'd act like he's the smartest man around whether Batman was alive or not.
You'd sooner see Doom admit Richards his better than Lex admit anything.
Dear lord Superman's torso I long there
Yeah that really looks like shit lol. How'd that get passed qc?
>Lex literally admitted to being second to Batman.
And Batman and Lex are worse characters for it
Remember before Batwank really set in and Batman had no idea how to stop Swamp Thing from rampaging across Gotham and Lex came in and wrote the solution down in a few seconds? Better times
Both Lex and Batman have stupid crazy smart moments.
Batman once had the Mobius chair to travel and observe time and space to know everything.
And Lex once Went through/(beyond?) the source wall, to obtain impossible knowledge (the anti-life equation). It was said only a "12th lvl intellect" could survive.
But let's be honest, Batman is "good" and Lex is "Bad". And DC is pretty simple, black and white.
Good guys win, bad guys lose. (most of the time)
Pretty sure, in a way, Lex is like doom. It'd be really hard for him to ever admit someone else on the planet is even close to his level of being
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The true genius. Only competition is DOOM. MF DOOM that is
This is true. I don't think Lex can rap at all. I don't think he's been ever shown to be skilled in music or any of the libtard arts really.
That ain't even a formula
Maybe to a brainlet like you.
The top five pure super geniuses will always be TAO, The Mad Thinker, Luthor, Sublime, and finally Riddler.
You forgot Niles Caulder. And Riddler's a chump starved for attention.
Didn't Detective ape out detective Batman a few times?
I mean, next level genius shit is making Superman look like an absolute raging moron just by sticking pennies in your own ears.
Thoughts on this list?
Niles is at least #3.
Batman and John Henry are far too high. For similar reasons, also Ted.
Ray Palmer is far, far too low. Savage just has a lot of lived history and therefore experience and practical knowledge, he doesn't really show he can extrapolate that to, for example, overcome someone else's intelligence.
Hiro is more like a brilliant engineer and doesn't feel like he's enough general knowledge base to, again, overcome others on that list.
I would also have included Clark Kent, even if post Bronze Age doesn't mostly show him with Super Intelligence, other than Morrison.
Also, you probably need to add way more aliens. The little blue smurfettes would probably qualify, not only for similar reasons that Savage might be able to justify his placement (just lower) on a better list, but they also have shown they could create incredible things purely on intelligence, imagination, etc. Likewise, there are probably other non-humans who would fit the bill but I'm not going to do everyone's homework for them.
>Also, you probably need to add way more aliens
I should've specified this was just a list for the smartest humans, so no aliens.
Mainly because aliens generally have access to more resources than humans do.
For example, Superman can often be seen tinkering with technology beyond Batman's usual pay grade, but it's a lot easier to put a spacecraft together when you have three functioning spacecrafts in your ice fortress to use as reference, along with databanks from across the galaxy and records that detail the science behind faster than light travel, etc.
The list bases a lot of its conclusions off of demonstrated scientific aptitude, and that's hard to get a grip on if all the characters don't share a similar starting point.
Gotcha and fair point, which is why, perhaps, John Henry and Hiro don't belong there. For example, Bruce and Ted both do similar engineering but also have examples of things like research, strategy, etc., that definitely Hiro doesn't have and, at minimum not having read all of Steel's solo run admittedly, I'm not sure Irons had shown he can do the full gamut the way they did. A very brilliant engineer but, for example, Lex was clearly good at strategy, good at science, good at business, etc. Likewise, Bruce and Ted both successfully ran businesses, even if for LOLZ, Ted was shown as not being good at it or needed assistance (and here we can look at Fox for Bruce, whereas Lex ran his company on his own).
I also would still not put Savage on there at all. He might, for example, do well on something very general like an ACT exam, but could not crush an LSAT, whereas Lex, Mr. Terrific and others probably could do really well on a test like the LSAT or the MCAT without any notice.
I'm so glad I don't read comicbooks, because everytime I see something posted it's generally moronic and full of salty buttholes who are mad their ideas will never reach above some useless content farm.
>projection
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Face it homosexual, that's what comics are. Shit writers who are pissed that their bad ideas will always be stuck in niche fanfiction tier with a dying boomer fanbase. They couldn't get into hollywood because they're ass so all they can do is write poor stories that don't sell.
>[schizo ramblings]
He was out of his league in the silver age too when Superman had Super Intelligence and built even better robots than Lex a lot faster.
>Xavier with legs
Batman
Lex is smart enough to know that DC has been trying to make Batman be Triple Superman uh-HUH! since the 90s. And they're STILL trying to fold that cracker.