Superman himself, he's simply a loaded character that means a bunch of different things to a bunch of different people. These are all a symptom of his place in culture, not causes of it. Evil Superman is a natural pondering of "what if the ultimate force for good WASN'T?", the idea of being the peak of power naturally challengers contenders of the same role in different stories. Zack Snyder was riding the Gritty Realism train of Nolan and it's natural that it'd extend to Superman. And Bill is just Tarantino using pop culture like he always does to make a point.
None of these things really warped the perception of Superman, they reflected what already existed.
Pretty much all adaptations are to blame for this happening to every character. The thing from Kill Bill is clever but I don't think most people who saw it think about that line much.
The one two punch of Injustice and Man of Steel, easily. one or the other would have been fine, both within a few years of each other was catastrophic.
My brother-in-law sent me a page from Injustice today and I finally revealed my power level. I couldn't abide the sheer moronation of giant dick constructs from a lantern ring.
Man of Steel was unironically a great Superman movie. People harp on about le killing but forget how he was begging Zod to stop and completely broken up about it afterwards. It wasn't a dark turn but a more grounded take on the character and it'd have been interesting to see it fleshed out more. BvS and JL (both versions) were however steaming piles of dogshit.
People harp on about le killing but forget the terrible pacing and bloated action scenes and the part where Pa Kent is an unreasonable moron who kills himself to teach his son a moral lesson that doesn't actually make sense
>completely broken up about it afterwards.
He proceeds to kill an african warlord at the beginning of his next movie. Don't give me this crap of "he learns the value of life after killing Zod ;_;" when he clearly doesn't give a shit unless it's his wienersleeve or mother.
You cult minions really need to let this go. At first, you were able to convince a few normies to swallow your Kool-Aide but most everyone has been in agreement for at least three plus years that your Hack Cult was a mistake.
>Online discussion
Death Battle >General image
Zach Snyder
You know how many tards still believe Goku is this benevolent figure who never lets anything get harmed (despite literally throwing fat Buu into a building of a populated city) and how Superman is this all-mighty being with no weaknesses whatsoever who'll tear through buildings just to punch one guy (despite valuing even the physical objects people care for)? Death Battle tarnished his rep to people who've never even heard of "All-Star Superman" or "Superman vs The Elite" so now all people think is that Superman faces no struggles and Zach Snyder made him look like a reckless wannabe messiah.
Death Battle had no fricking effect whatsoever. Synder did the most damage, followed by Injustice, followed by Kill Bill, and some irrelevant web show is solidly in last.
The Death Battle thing is mostly about online discussions and power level bullshit, some people forget these are fictional characters.
That said, there's also the idea that some people have that he's so strong that his stories are all bad, which is just dumb, I feel like some have gotten and spread that idea from Death Battle.
Superman vs Goku predates Death Battle. Also its gokukeks that are obsessed with superman when he is not even the strongest character in comics.
Death Battle had no fricking effect whatsoever. Synder did the most damage, followed by Injustice, followed by Kill Bill, and some irrelevant web show is solidly in last.
The Death Battle thing is mostly about online discussions and power level bullshit, some people forget these are fictional characters.
That said, there's also the idea that some people have that he's so strong that his stories are all bad, which is just dumb, I feel like some have gotten and spread that idea from Death Battle.
There is nothing wrong with the kill bill bit aside from the weird implication that superman has one artist like it's a manga or something. The point it's making is valid, Superman's alter-ego is reversed.
The entire point is that it's bullshit. Bill's point is that he's a villain who can't understand "lowering" yourself for others, so the only conclusion he can come to is that Superman must be mocking humanity. He doesn't understand Superman and he doesn't understand Beatrix, and he dies because he underestimated her.
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Superman himself, he's simply a loaded character that means a bunch of different things to a bunch of different people. These are all a symptom of his place in culture, not causes of it. Evil Superman is a natural pondering of "what if the ultimate force for good WASN'T?", the idea of being the peak of power naturally challengers contenders of the same role in different stories. Zack Snyder was riding the Gritty Realism train of Nolan and it's natural that it'd extend to Superman. And Bill is just Tarantino using pop culture like he always does to make a point.
None of these things really warped the perception of Superman, they reflected what already existed.
Pretty much all adaptations are to blame for this happening to every character. The thing from Kill Bill is clever but I don't think most people who saw it think about that line much.
The one two punch of Injustice and Man of Steel, easily. one or the other would have been fine, both within a few years of each other was catastrophic.
My brother-in-law sent me a page from Injustice today and I finally revealed my power level. I couldn't abide the sheer moronation of giant dick constructs from a lantern ring.
I would say this but also adding New 52 redesign and muddled start on top of that and then BvS
Really bad series of decisions from WB/DC but mostly WB
Man of Steel was unironically a great Superman movie. People harp on about le killing but forget how he was begging Zod to stop and completely broken up about it afterwards. It wasn't a dark turn but a more grounded take on the character and it'd have been interesting to see it fleshed out more. BvS and JL (both versions) were however steaming piles of dogshit.
People harp on about le killing but forget the terrible pacing and bloated action scenes and the part where Pa Kent is an unreasonable moron who kills himself to teach his son a moral lesson that doesn't actually make sense
>completely broken up about it afterwards.
He proceeds to kill an african warlord at the beginning of his next movie. Don't give me this crap of "he learns the value of life after killing Zod ;_;" when he clearly doesn't give a shit unless it's his wienersleeve or mother.
>People harp on about le killing
I harp on Superman killing civies by dragging Zods head across the middle of a skyscraper
You cult minions really need to let this go. At first, you were able to convince a few normies to swallow your Kool-Aide but most everyone has been in agreement for at least three plus years that your Hack Cult was a mistake.
Good morning sirs
Add The Boys and Invincible on TV to this. Both are made by jaded hacks who think deconstruction and subversion make them Oscar tie.
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Byrne.
>Online discussion
Death Battle
>General image
Zach Snyder
You know how many tards still believe Goku is this benevolent figure who never lets anything get harmed (despite literally throwing fat Buu into a building of a populated city) and how Superman is this all-mighty being with no weaknesses whatsoever who'll tear through buildings just to punch one guy (despite valuing even the physical objects people care for)? Death Battle tarnished his rep to people who've never even heard of "All-Star Superman" or "Superman vs The Elite" so now all people think is that Superman faces no struggles and Zach Snyder made him look like a reckless wannabe messiah.
Superman vs Goku predates Death Battle. Also its gokukeks that are obsessed with superman when he is not even the strongest character in comics.
How to say that when in a Superman thread you are talking about Goku? This happens in all of Clark's threads.
Im talking about death battle and power scaling between the characters through the years not just superman.
Didn't Buu fricking eat entire population of any city he came to? I don't remember Goku ever arriving before Buu.
Yes, Anon is a moron. He forgot that the only reason he lets people die is because he can revive them later.
Goku didn't do that with the people Gero and 19 killed.
Death Battle had no fricking effect whatsoever. Synder did the most damage, followed by Injustice, followed by Kill Bill, and some irrelevant web show is solidly in last.
The Death Battle thing is mostly about online discussions and power level bullshit, some people forget these are fictional characters.
That said, there's also the idea that some people have that he's so strong that his stories are all bad, which is just dumb, I feel like some have gotten and spread that idea from Death Battle.
There is nothing wrong with the kill bill bit aside from the weird implication that superman has one artist like it's a manga or something. The point it's making is valid, Superman's alter-ego is reversed.
The entire point is that it's bullshit. Bill's point is that he's a villain who can't understand "lowering" yourself for others, so the only conclusion he can come to is that Superman must be mocking humanity. He doesn't understand Superman and he doesn't understand Beatrix, and he dies because he underestimated her.
Supermans's damaged reputation is link to Americas damaged reputation.
None of the above. The MCU and other DC adaptations introduced new characters to audiences and Superman looked boring in comparison.
Tie between Snyder and Injustice
Does death battle really harm his reputation when he keeps winning?
Yes
no doubt about it
Supermans mismanagement as a IP goes back all the way to 1983 when DC kicked Donner of his movies and Superman 3 and 4 got made
Death Battle
"Superman is limitless and lifted infinity. How can he possibly work in a video game?"
No casual hates Superman because he killed Zod in Man of Steel. Iron Man kills all the time and they love him.
Yes, but Iron Man is supposed to be an butthole. That was always his character.
Iron Man throwing that terrorist to a mob wasn't meant to make you think Iron Man was the one in the wrong.
No, but he was always a flawed hero.
Not because he kills terrorists. No one dislikes him for that like they supposedly do Superman due to Man of Steel.
Yes, but people treat Supernan differently.
There's nothing flawed about killing terrorists
Lois sucks,but it gets better later when she is married to superman
Are there still people who don't understand that Bill's speech about Superman isn't supposed to be "about" Superman, it's supposed to be about Bill?
He is literally talking about Superman.
Man of Steel was a great movie and if you don't agree you're a tastelet.
Injustice is responsible for 99% of Superman's current perception.
Jesus christ frick Injustice, frick tom taylor and frick modern DC
What is the appeal of Superman?