Who was in the wrong here?
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Who was in the wrong here?
Who was in the wrong here?
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Vic
Fpbp they were all doomed from the get go.
Low IQ brainlets
Explain or you're the bigger brainlet
The short explanation is that if Vic had made it to the rendezvous point first, Lem would have made it out alive. It's Shane's impulsivity and hubris that ultimately killed Lem, irregardless of what schemes they were involved in because of Vic.
and Vic was wrong
And Shane is a frick up because Vic passed on the wrong lessons. He didn't pass on his intelligence, or finesse, or he desire to do the right thing. He only passed on his brutish way of getting your way and how to be a corruptive person who manipulates others and only does crooked shit for self gain. Vic might be a man who bends the rules but he legitimately wants to do what's right but he didn't pass this lesson onto Shane. Shane killing Lem is similar to Shane and Vic killing Terry. He did it because he was doing the very thing that Vic has done countless times, and that's putting his real life family over the strike team while retaining a hypocritical farce of pretending to do it to "protect" the team
You're an idiot if you think Vic can "pass on" things such as impulse control, intelligence, temperance etc. These are inborn things, that cannot be taught, other than perfected in those who posses them in the first place.
Shane was who he was from day one, things started going downhill once he decided that he needed to be equals with Vic instead of his right hand man. Mara was another catalyst that further pushed his hubris into manifesting itself as it did. Shane was inept, and was trying to be Vic but did not have the ability to be.
The only mistake Vic made was caring for him so much and not getting rid of him sooner.
>You can't pass on
That what the writers were going for. Whether that's believable or not, is up to you. Also I do agree that Shane was born an butthole but Vic pushed the team into this lifestyle. Vic lead, the rest followed. They were all corrupt in their own ways
Note:
I would like to add more to my bare bone post but I have work to do. I'm hoping this thread is still up in the next few hours because I have more to add
>These are inborn things, that cannot be taught
Cool it with the anti-blackism.
I’m 100% sure there was no way you can be part of Vic’s crew and come out unscathed with all the shit they pulled.
Bamp
Subway.
Shane asked for a grenade free sandwich and they fricked up his order.
Lenny. He was gonna rat
No he wasn't. All he had to do was wait it out until his deal got made and take the fall for the Armenian money train so that he can go to federal prison away from Antwon for the rest of his life
Did you watch the show? I.A. literally threatened him with incarceration in Gen Pop, with Avon Barksdale or whoever. Basically, if he didn't rat, he'd be tortured in prison.
Do I think he'd rat? Well, we never found out. Shane looked at all the angles and made the smart move. Although, I think Lem coulda made it to Mexico.
>Avon Barksdale
>Did you even watch the show
Holy moron alert
Fell for it.
>Haha jokes on you I was only just pretending to be moronic
not him but yh, he made you look like a tit
Why? Because you want touch me?
yh
Lem didn't go to Mexico because he didn't want to end up alone and miserable without family like Gilroy. Lem's family was trailer trash that didn't give a shit about him.
Shane for not saying
>think fast
idk lenny seems like a satisfied customer to me
>I'm sorry buddy I'm so sorry BUT I HAD TO, RIGHT??
Vic for putting his friends in this situation, if you think Lem had a good ending waiting for him you're a brainlet btw. Shane jumped the gun but it was honestly a mercy kill after all is said and done.
>using VLC
>in 2024
VLC Mackey
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VLC has never done me wrong, cry about it homosexual
This. If Vic never brought them into this lifestyle then they would have never been in this situation where they have to choose between saving your coworkers or saving your family. Shane only did it to protect his real life family.
>Eat a grenade sandwich
>Die
What did he think was going to happen?
He was hungry. He didn't eat anything all day.
Both.
Lem should have let himself be sent out of country to Mexico, which would have sucked but Lem was gay for Vic and couldn't leave him.
Shane killed Lem purely because, even though he's the reason Lem got busted by IAD, all he cares about is himself and his family and at the end of the day Lem was expendable.
Both Lem and Ronnie suffered their bad ends in part because they were childfree bachelors and probably closet homos who couldn't just run for the fricking hills but were too in love with Vic to cut bait once it became apparent that they were going to be burnt by him or Shane, who had families that took priority over them when push came to shove.
And yes, a case can be made that Vic probably would have killed Lem had he been forced to. And Vic killing Lem would have been messy, prolonged, and full of horror as Lem realized that Vic was going to kill him. Shane was a monster but at least he followed through on giving Lem a "quick death".
t. people who only selectively view the series and resort to reddit-tier simplified nuance-less views of the characters.
Meanwhile you selectively forget that when the chips were down Vic sold out Ronnie to save his own ass.
If Vic felt there was no other option he’d have killed Lem the same as Shane.
You selectively leave out the fact that Vic has been more than willing to die on his shield numerous times during the seasons but that doesn't fit the "Vic is a sociopath who only cares about himself" narrative.
It is true, Vic sold out Ronnie in the end, when, in his mind, he was faced with a choice between his family and his partner. I think most people would choose the latter, it's perfectly natural, as tragic as it is. Remember, he refused to sign the deal in the first place, before he could secure Ronnie's name on it.
Beyond that there's many examples throughout the seasons, such as season 2, where Vic eas ready to go down and suffer the consequences of his actions alone, while absolving the team of any guilt. It's easy to say that the team shouldn't have trusted him, but he gave them no reason up until the end, to ever doubt that he truly stood for the collectice interests and would make a sacrifice if need be.
Vic suffers from the syndrome where he will forever say he will fall on his sword to save his friends but when push came to shove, outside forces always kept him from doing it until he ran out of options.
See him saying he would admit to disfiguring Armadillo in season two rather than be blackmailed by him into forcing Ronnie to recant his identifying Armadillo as the guy who disfigured him. Shane and Lem basically kept Vic from having to make good on that promise.
See also Shane killing Lem so that Vic could forever hold onto the illusion that he wouldn't have to put a bullet into Lem's head ala Terry.
Your argument is essentially "well you don't know if he really would have done it". It was all but done if they hadn't figured out how to bail him out. Anything else on your part is pure speculation.
Equivocating Lem and Terry is also stupid. Terry was not their friend, he was a mole, who recently was assigned to the team, and whose intentions Vic found out were always to rat them out and put them behind bars.
On the opposite side, Vic considered Lem a brother and had a sway and influence over him that no one else had. It's true he was under the assumption that Lem may have been ratting them out, but Vic would have always made 100% sure that's the case, he would have looked Lem in the eye and *actually* ask him if it was true or not.
The moron Shane just automatically assumed that Lem was dead set on throwing them in jail and never even bothered to ask, throughout the whole season he had been sceptical of Lem's devotion to the team and he felt like he needed no further confirmation or justification for his actions. Him blaming Vic on making him this way is just post-factum rationalization in order to absolve himself of any guilt.
He was tricked by Kavanaugh who lied about Lem making a deal
Which is funny because the show makes reference and criticizes Vic for thinking he's a master at reading people despite getting duped by Assinvader and Pissman
>What did you tell Ronnie? That you'll look me in the eyes and figured out the truth? If you're so damn psychic how come you didnt tell that Aceveda was lying.
Which is funnier knowing that Vic used his "psychic gift" to spot that police sting that was waiting to bust him with the dirty money that Claudette and his wife were planning against him. The undercover cops weren't even doing anything suspicious lol the show definitely tries to make a point that the reason Vic was never caught wasn't due to his intelligence but his luck. It's a miracle he even spot that sting operation and the show rubs it in your face about it
>Wow people talking about their opinions and thoughts on a situation in a fictional reality! How could this be happening to me?
You're kind of right. Vic is much more complex than "he's le evil" but the writers do make it a point that all of this could've been avoided if Vic didn't bend the rules so much and allow that corruption to take hold. Vic isn't a heartless piece of shit but he is a man who got caught up in the adrenaline thrill and the corruption so fast that he was able to outrun his conscience. Vic did a terrible thing, killing Terry and scarring Shane. Yes Vic had a decent reason to kill someone he deemed a rat and a mole and while Terry did pursue making a case against Vic for purely selfish reasons, he still had every right to bust a cop who was breaking the rules and abusing his authority for monetary gain. Vic was doing it to provide for his family but the show makes it a point that after killing Terry he unleashed a pandora's box of trouble that ruined so many lives.
Bamp
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>mfw listening to this
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>yummy yummy a pineapple Mk 2 hand grenade without the pin on, my favorite
What did he mean by this?
It wasn't mk 2 pineapple grenade. It was a v40 mini grenade that you can throw farther and easier. Get your grenades right bud
Also they're easier to smuggle
>When you turn off the lights
>And walk out the door
How did e-MOLE-leeah ever recover from this?
I traced every issue in the show to that ugly rat faced looking goblina.
She was attractive in an attainable way
Maybe if she was the last woman on earth
This is where the dominos began to fall
And this is what turned the story into Lord of the Rings.
It's not the heroes journey about gaining strength to take down a new enemy.
It's about getting rid of a corrupting force before it gets you all to kill each other.
Where's my Billings bros?
What made him so based?
Self aware, truly doesn’t give a frick
He did nothing wrong
married a stupid c**t
How was she stupid? Only dumb thing she did was give the money to her mom. She was ride or die for Shane even after he fricked the Black person dicky
There was nothing wrong with Mara, who was right about nearly everything
It was a no win situation. Shane wasn't wrong though, Lem 100% would have eventually been caught, broken, and made to testify, and Vic would have killed him too. The whole purpose of that meeting was to take his temperature regarding going to Mexico, and Lem wasn't going. Vic would have had to choose between his family and his guy, and you can ask Ronnie how that goes. But because Shane beat him to it, Vic had the opportunity to feel righteous and hate him for it.
Vic didn't want to accept the fact that he's partially responsible for the monster he created.
>Pineapple sandwich my favorite!
Can the police really just steal your house if they think you commit a crime?
If your crime involves using your house, absolutely.
Yes if you used dirty money to buy the house. Mind you it's very controversial and it's not used too much.
In most cities, yes, though it's rarely done
The scene where Aceveda got raped is the reason why Rawling's seizure plan went to shit.
>Aceveda gets raped
>He tries to make a difference in his last 6 months as capt of the barn
>*fails
>New captain comes in
>immediately is making several positive changes including fixing the bathroom
>Aceveda is completely emasculated and plus looks like a limp wristed b***h who can't do shit while this new captain makes it seem easy
>At the same time Aceveda is dealing with the trauma of being raped which drives him to establish dominance by subtle passive-aggressively sabotaging Rawlings and targeting Vic (which he subconsciously blames for putting him into that situation where he gets assaulted. Also targeting the "alpha male" of the barn only further reinforces his idea of control)
>Seizure programs fails and Rawlings loses her job because Aceveda needed to cover his tracks of his assault plus getting to kill the man who raped him gives him a cathartic feel which afterwards you see a little regret and remorse for sabotaging Rawlings, no longer burden by the pain of his rape
All the shit in season 4 is caused by Aceveda dealing with the trauma of being sexually assaulted. After season 4 we see Aceveda change by no longer having confliction with taking corrupt acts
If you really want to go even further back, you could blame this all on Vic for robbing the money train and getting Aceveda into that situation with his rapist. Which adds this karmic ironic feel to Vic's corruption
The production crew and director were in the wrong. A grenade on his lap should have made at least his intestines come out or something, and he looks like a damn Looney Tunes character after a point blank gunshot.
If you listen closely you can hear him put inside the car door holder. It wasn't on his lap. If it was Lem would've grabbed it and threw it out. That's why Lem was so confused when he put something in there