at extreme risk of derailing this thread (really playing with fire) isn't this exactly what the Nazi's did?
They appropriated a symbol used in Buddhism thus changing the meaning of the symbol forever??
I'm not trying to say the fan club are nazi's. just pointing out letting someone steal your cultural symbology doesn't help to preserve it. But then again ... maybe Buddhists are be fine with letting go and being detached from such icons. Who knows?
>They appropriated a symbol used in Buddhism
Swastika symbols have been common throughout history in cultures all over the world. Rotated repeating symbols are SUPER common in early cultures everywhere. The Nazis adopted it as their symbol (because many of them were fricking nuts and would be called conspiracy theorists today) due to it's connection to ancient Northern European pre-Roman cultures.
And yet to the ignorant westerner (99.9 percent of planet earth in this example) the swastika is a Nazi symbol now. >they don’t care
Yeah I’m sure not a single Buddhist in 100 years cares that their peace religion brings war to mind now.
The swastika was originally used as a symbol for luck. The Nazis then used it as a symbol for luck. You moronic westerners used it as a symbol to represent the Nazis.
The Nazis didn't change the meaning. You did.
>All Nazis drink coffee.
ha! You are ignorant, most Nazis were too poor to afford coffee, that is only reserved for high-ranking leaders and soldiers. >All Nazis breathe air.
air is in common use throughout the world, very different from a group using a specific symbol. >All Nazis eat toasts
As I said, They were too poor.
There's a difference between doing mundane shit and the symbol you put on your flag to represent your party and ideals. The christian cross is a basic ass symbol a 2 years old could draw but it's the symbol of arguably the most successful religion ever and if you put it on your shirt and said "uh why do you assume I'm christian, last I checked christians don't own two lines crossing eachothers lol idiot, ancient egyptians did it first anyway" people are just going to think you're moronic.
I kinda agree. I mean... I'm a white looking mixed breed and had a white b***h former roommate "call me out" for using chopsticks a lot at home for cooking and shit and claimed it was cultural appropriation. I corrected her that it's cultural appropriASIAN and that I'm part chino so it's okay (she doesn't know anything about Asia so she we wouldn't know that my Gran is from a country that doesn't use chopsticks anyway lmao). She accused me of bullshitting until I showed her a pic of me, my dad and my Gran. Then she shut the frick up forever when I asked her "who are you, a white b***h, to question my Asianness? That's super fricking racist. You're racist."
Basically, the only people who gaf about cultural appropriation are people who have little connection to their culture to begin with or white people.
Now for the part I disagree with: doing shit while disparaging the culture it came from or stealing it as part of your own with no acknowledgement of its provenance
>Basically, the only people who gaf about cultural appropriation are people who have little connection to their culture to begin with or white people. >Now for the part I disagree with: doing shit while disparaging the culture it came from or stealing it as part of your own with no acknowledgement of its provenance
this a million times.
i'm as white as the Ace of Marshmallows and people connected to their cultures are happy to tell me about them and even to teach me things about it and how to do things. especially since they spend most of their lives, like I do, immersed in multinational-corporate-dictated behavior that our recent ancestors have absorbed from advertisements, as opposed to "european culture" that we would have brought from the old country, or "local culture" that emerges in places that still have a sense of community.
"chopsticks as appropriation" is he dumbest thing I've ever heard. and black people are desperate to convince us to season our food properly.
lmfao this reminds me of when i was on a trip with my class and i said Black person and one girl came to me and put me down for saying it. When i asked why, she said cause "im not black". So i asked if i can say gorilla and she said "yeah why?" and i answered >cause they look like gorillas
granted i had an average alcohol level of at least 1 vodka bottle throughout every day and i smoked like i wanted to have lung cancer, but i probably would have said the same thing if i wasnt drunk
at extreme risk of derailing this thread (really playing with fire) isn't this exactly what the Nazi's did?
They appropriated a symbol used in Buddhism thus changing the meaning of the symbol forever??
I'm not trying to say the fan club are nazi's. just pointing out letting someone steal your cultural symbology doesn't help to preserve it. But then again ... maybe Buddhists are be fine with letting go and being detached from such icons. Who knows?
Not that anon but that's a very different situation because it's about historical claims.
If someone claimed that say, the English are the true heirs of Alexander the Great and all current Greeks are just imposters that would be a lie. If an English person learned how to cook gyros, that's very different.
Is strange how according to those guys, blacks where Egyptians, Vikings, many important races thought history and still the backward white europeans came out on top.
Cultural Fetishization is the real problem, just like with weebs. Learning a language, wearing clothes, observing holidays, reading stories, that's all fine. What becomes a problem is when you start projecting your own preferences and proclivities on to that culture, thinking your study of it warrants you a place in it.
But they’re not keeping his culture alive, they’re actively altering it by removing and dismissing the meaning from the tattoos for a purely aesthetic reason
Not decorating themselves in the tattoos of masters for simply doing some tai chi.
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Yeah. Like the Kyoshi warriors are hacks for just dressing up like Avatar Kyoshi when they aren't even earth benders, much less avatars.
The fricking cultural appropriators.
Yeah? They’re basically showing off having PhDs without having done a thesis
While they’re not being malicious in any way, Aang (who put in the necessary work to earn his tattoos) has the right to be upset by them
Not decorating themselves in the tattoos of masters for simply doing some tai chi.
Where exactly are they supposed to get an airbender degree?
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Not everything has to be for everyone
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Dead things are up for grabs.
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>They literally can't.
Yes. You’re getting it now.
Just like men can’t become women, just because they really really really want it - that isn’t going to make them airbenders. There’s no appropriate way for them to have those tattoos.
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But the fact that they're not airbenders is entirely Aang's fault for being a bad avatar and not giving them airbending.
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If they can’t airbend then they shouldn’t decorate themselves with tattoos that say they’re really good airbenders and expect a positive response from someone who actually earned those tattoos
They're learning all the authentic air bending techniques. Aang is behaving like a racist who says even if someone mastered Bushido they can't be a Samurai unless they're Japanese.
1) They’re actively disrespecting the purpose of the tattoos by giving them to people who aren’t Air Nomads and haven’t mastered airbending.
2)Aang never forced his culture onto any of his children, Tenzin did it because he was an airbender and wanted to while Bumi and Kaya didn’t want to because they weren’t. It has been shown repeatedly that the Air Nomad lifestyle can’t be forced on someone.
Now prepare to die.
>he seemed pretty cool with it when he thought it was made with a pen
Which is stupid either he's okay with or not losing his shit over whether it's "authentic ink" or not is just the most pedantic and asinine thing you could do.
>the fans are stupid for stripping aspects of Aang's culture and watering them down (specifically the usage and intent) in such a way that it disrespects the original meaning behind them (cultural appropriation/imperialism) >Aang is stupid because Aang doesn't really have that much knowledge or information on the Air Nomad culture in the first place: Aang was TWELVE YEARS OLD when the genocide occurred, there's just no believable way he'd enough valuable insight or knowledge to pose as a source of cultural authority or meaningfully pass it down
if anything, the comic could have explored Aang's choice to recreate a new Air Nomad culture born from the collective teachings of his time spent in the other nations and what little he could scrounge up from the ashes, and then create meaningful conflict when stuff like this bobs up
but since ATLA isn't interested in evaluating Aang or what he logically should be, especially not with Bryke at the helm, that doesn't happen
other than the cultural appropiation I agree with these two takes
>he seemed pretty cool with it when he thought it was made with a pen
Which is stupid either he's okay with or not losing his shit over whether it's "authentic ink" or not is just the most pedantic and asinine thing you could do.
if it's with a pen there's an assumption that it can/will come off
Does the water tribe have a tradition that says "you can only make a necklace after you've done X"?
The "we recognize that only masters get them, so we just practice some shit we made up" part is pretty cringe tbh
Aang didn't live long enough to see the existence of Harmonic Convergence which not only is the perfect ending and closing argument on why the Equalists were right morally you should feel ashamed to have bending powers because it's the universes cosmic way of saying "You're worthless unless you know bending powers."
Air genocide? Means nothing. Bumi is the Non Bending Child of 2 master benders one of which was the Avatar and cosmic magic bullshit turned him into an Air Bender
Of Korra's four main villains two of them are absurdly busted by the setting's standard. Amon could defeat any non-fully realised Avatar in the setting in a straight fight, and Unalaq isn't much weaker than him.
In Season 3 Korra did help resolve the situation but was so badly injured at the end that she couldn't help with the timeskip cleanup which sets up season 4.
Honestly by the end of her adventures, aside from the Earth Kingdom civil war (which she was too injured to assist with) she doesn't really have a particularly bad record for an avatar.
Roku is easily worse because killing Sozin would have short-circuited a 100 year war and a genocide.
>she doesn't really have a particularly bad record for an avatar.
She released the spirits into the world and we all know why that is bad, she is the worst avatar.
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This, we all know what there is in the spirit world.
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That had positives and negatives, but look at the expanded universe stuff around say, Kyoshi (who founded the Dai Li who have caused immense trouble in multiple eras) or Yangchen (who created a giant spirit invasion by being entirely anti-spirit), or Roku (didn't kill Sozin and therefore let the 100 years war happen and the airbenders all die out) or Stozu (the firebender before Roku who created a precedent of firebender avatars being subservient to the Fire Lord)
-it's clear that Korra is at worst average for an avatar.
>she doesn't really have a particularly bad record for an avatar.
She released the spirits into the world and we all know why that is bad, she is the worst avatar.
Well outside of severing the past life connection to all avatars so nobody from now forward gets a force ghost to help them and opening the spirit world that we know is dangerous.
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She didn't sever the connection, it got severed because she fought an opponent who would have beaten the vast majority of avatars we've seen thus far anyway.
>by the time of korra we see the air larpers on the same island aang raised his family one with him presumably being more than fine with them
i get this is a bait thread but you could at least TRY to not ask questions you know the answer to
>study and respect a culture >"these tattoos are for airbending masters" >give themselves tattoos for "mastering airbender-like" forms
Yeah Air Acolytes are pretty cringe. It's like a Civil War reenactor describing themselves as a veteran.
None of them had the tattoos though, at some point they stopped.
This is Sokka's current list of conquests: >3 girls from the earth kingdom + all the girls from the haiku class. >a princess of the northern water tribe. >one of Princess Azula's bodyguards.
She only flirts to get things from them, she legitimately finds Sokka attractive.
I kinda agree. I mean... I'm a white looking mixed breed and had a white b***h former roommate "call me out" for using chopsticks a lot at home for cooking and shit and claimed it was cultural appropriation. I corrected her that it's cultural appropriASIAN and that I'm part chino so it's okay (she doesn't know anything about Asia so she we wouldn't know that my Gran is from a country that doesn't use chopsticks anyway lmao). She accused me of bullshitting until I showed her a pic of me, my dad and my Gran. Then she shut the frick up forever when I asked her "who are you, a white b***h, to question my Asianness? That's super fricking racist. You're racist."
Basically, the only people who gaf about cultural appropriation are people who have little connection to their culture to begin with or white people.
Now for the part I disagree with: doing shit while disparaging the culture it came from or stealing it as part of your own with no acknowledgement of its provenance
The people who complain most about white people cooking using non-white dishes are almost uniformly people from those cultures that do not speak their own language or do so poorly.
she said he was cute when she was alone with mai
then kinda forgot he existed after the crossroads of destiny episode
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if it's with a pen there's an assumption that it can/will come off
it's either an offense to his culture or it is not which is what he's rambling about in the first place
i've got no idea if hes later concerned with the tattoos not coming off since ive havent read these and arent willing to do so
It's weird because Aang is technically the world's authority on Air Nomad culture and we have no way of knowing of how other airbenders would think of this but I still think he's overreacting here. These people can't airbend but they probably have done the effort of learning and preserving the air nomad tattooing traditions.
I’m on the pro-aang side but this does feel like an out of character moment
I think at most he’d do a wacky face at the camera and a goofy musical sting would play
Yeah!
Like, I get why he would be so displeased with how they’re treating the air nomad culture, but I don’t feel he’d be so finger-waggy at people trying their best to respect it
>These people can't airbend but they probably have done the effort of learning and preserving the air nomad tattooing traditions.
Actually, that is what ultimately happens in the comic, if memory serves.
Aang sees they adapted Airbending techniques into a functional non-bending martial art (or something like that) and understood they weren't just "Air Nomad Larping". Thus, he apologized for the outburst and named them the Air Acolytes (who, if I remember TLoK correctly, did not have tattoos. So, only the first Acolyte generation had them out of an honest mistake).
If the guy they are doing this for asks them to stop they should stop. As for if they where wrong to do it in the first place, if the Air Nomads wanted to have their culture portrayed accurately and respectfully they shouldn't have been a bunch of isolationists who all got killed to death.
Thankfully the Avatar series ended with book 3 so these hypotheticals are pointless.
I get that all nations are defined by their bending but why do all the air nomads appear to have air bending? Aang even only teaches his culture to Tenzin implying it is a culture only for air benders despite his other two children having air nomad blood. I get that he later makes the air acolytes but I don't get why his culture seems restricted to people who can make gust of wind
Air Bender Monks live in the Mountains for Territorial and Spiritual reasons. Imagine a society of people who believe in the Ted K style of living they dont exactly welcome guests unless there is a damn good reason they need to be there
Bending has a spiritual element as well as genetics. All the Air Nomads were highly spiritual as monks, so they were all Airbenders.
Which could have been an interesting plot point for Korra's era to deal with, with all the heavy industrialization happening and spirituality element of bending slowly dying out having less benders be born could have been an issue.
you know, the word 'spiritual' comes up a lot in this show, but what does it actually mean in this context? They don't seem to have gods, just spirits who ... live in another world, one most people have no access to... who can come into OUR world whenever they want, and fricking murder us and destroy all our stuff.. and who for some reason care about us staying preindustrial because starvation and disease is better than cutting down a few trees. These spirits can't really be related with or recognized in any way, let alone worshipped. so what does 'being spiritual' mean?
They're probably a dystopia that makes non benders serfs who farm to feed the monks and benders the theocratic nobility that gets to have unlimited free time to "Seek Enlightenment"
>Who was in the wrong here?
Aang his people don't own the concept of arrows and it's none of his god damn business what other people tattoo on their bodies
>letting his culture die out and give the fire nation an ultimate victory
Vs >letting his cultire be accessible to everyone who wants to learn of it even if it means watering it down
Pic unrelated.
Do you ever get the impression Airbenders used to be a male-dominated society where women were bred with only out of obligation, and the tattoos were invented to make them feel better about going bald... and then some centuries later they reluctantly allowed the women to have them too, even though it meant giving themselves fricking klingon-tier fiveheads, but they still sure as frick kept the sexes segregated because girls are still icky and they'd rather do things to the young boys? Because that's the impression I get.
>the fans are stupid for stripping aspects of Aang's culture and watering them down (specifically the usage and intent) in such a way that it disrespects the original meaning behind them (cultural appropriation/imperialism) >Aang is stupid because Aang doesn't really have that much knowledge or information on the Air Nomad culture in the first place: Aang was TWELVE YEARS OLD when the genocide occurred, there's just no believable way he'd enough valuable insight or knowledge to pose as a source of cultural authority or meaningfully pass it down
if anything, the comic could have explored Aang's choice to recreate a new Air Nomad culture born from the collective teachings of his time spent in the other nations and what little he could scrounge up from the ashes, and then create meaningful conflict when stuff like this bobs up
but since ATLA isn't interested in evaluating Aang or what he logically should be, especially not with Bryke at the helm, that doesn't happen
Aang, and he admitted it in the rest of the story. They made some blunders but they just wanted to help and needed guidance. This is the start of the Accolytes from Korra. Pema joined the order and married Tenzin.
Maybe spend some time reading comics instead of looking for panels to start arguments with.
It's a culture that's been literally dead for 100 years. Aang shouldn't have run away like a b***h if he didn't want his precious culture used by filthy non-benders.
Honestly I understand Aang, he is quite literally last of his kind and there isn't really anyone to keep his people's traditions alive, other than Tenzin, so that shit has to be looked after
None of this is helped by the fact the premise of the series is based on utter prostituteshit.
>The "Last" Airbender
You're seriously trying to tell me the Air Nomads were the ONLY group of people on the planet who had airbending genes? That's not how people, genetic distribution, or even genocide works. Frick off.
Bullshit. It is demonstrated multiple times that bending is genetic. It's why the Avatar is so special in the first place, as the only person around who is physically able to use all types. You can't "learn" to fly if you don't have wings.
What kind of element you can bend is genetic.
Whether or not you're a bender isn't really genetic. It can't be just based on your image, where two identical twins with the same DNA (because they're identical twins) are one bender and one nonbender.
>Whether or not you're a bender isn't really genetic.
Yes it is. You're an actual moron who's going on your own delusional headcanon instead of what's actually in the show.
Also, twins are not 100% identical. You're an idiot.
Just the idea that no other Airbender survived becomes something harder to believe in as the series keep worldbuildng after the fact. >they're the only nation that can fly and could've always outpaced Fire nation troop movements. >they're supposedly nomadic so they should've been stretched out across the world. >100 years isn't nearly enough time for the fire nation to hunt and kill every survivor.
>100 years isn't nearly enough time for the fire nation to hunt and kill every survivor.
The Holocaust lasted 6 years and approximately 11,000,000 were murdered among israelites, Gypsies and other ethnic, social and ideological groups.
Considering that the air temples are not very large, it seems feasible that all the airbenders would be eliminated within 100 years.
Well israeli people weren't also masters in a magical kung fu that centers entirely around evading trouble. >it seems feasible that all airbenders would be eliminated within 100 years.
The Fire Nation couldn't hold on to Aang, a single airbender, for more then a hour.
>The Holocaust lasted 6 years and approximately 11,000,000 were murdered among israelites, Gypsies and other ethnic, social and ideological groups.
Never hapened.
They were in the wrong. Perhaps Aang was a little harsh but he wasn’t unjustified. One cannot go wearing or marking themselves with a cultural symbol that is sacred to the culture, on the grounds that it’s part of a fan club, to show support to the said person who belongs to the actual culture and knows what it means.
Definitely distasteful while he's still alive or around to call you on it.
Cultural appropriation isn’t real
at extreme risk of derailing this thread (really playing with fire) isn't this exactly what the Nazi's did?
They appropriated a symbol used in Buddhism thus changing the meaning of the symbol forever??
I'm not trying to say the fan club are nazi's. just pointing out letting someone steal your cultural symbology doesn't help to preserve it. But then again ... maybe Buddhists are be fine with letting go and being detached from such icons. Who knows?
>(really playing with fire)
ahhh you almost had me there ya cheeky c**t
>They appropriated a symbol used in Buddhism
Swastika symbols have been common throughout history in cultures all over the world. Rotated repeating symbols are SUPER common in early cultures everywhere. The Nazis adopted it as their symbol (because many of them were fricking nuts and would be called conspiracy theorists today) due to it's connection to ancient Northern European pre-Roman cultures.
Guess where the gays got the rainbow symbol from.
The sky?
The airbenders helped the gays steal the rainbow
>Nazi's
Buddhists still use swastikas in their symbology, they don't give a shit about the nazis or ignorant westerners opinions about it.
And yet to the ignorant westerner (99.9 percent of planet earth in this example) the swastika is a Nazi symbol now.
>they don’t care
Yeah I’m sure not a single Buddhist in 100 years cares that their peace religion brings war to mind now.
The swastika was originally used as a symbol for luck. The Nazis then used it as a symbol for luck. You moronic westerners used it as a symbol to represent the Nazis.
The Nazis didn't change the meaning. You did.
>all Nazis use the symbol.
>the symbol now represents the Nazis.
>somehow it's the fault of Westerners.
>All Nazis drink coffee.
>All Nazis breathe air.
>All Nazis eat toasts
Oh boy anon, aren't you gonna be limited.
Well, I guess you already are lol
>All Nazis drink coffee.
ha! You are ignorant, most Nazis were too poor to afford coffee, that is only reserved for high-ranking leaders and soldiers.
>All Nazis breathe air.
air is in common use throughout the world, very different from a group using a specific symbol.
>All Nazis eat toasts
As I said, They were too poor.
There's a difference between doing mundane shit and the symbol you put on your flag to represent your party and ideals. The christian cross is a basic ass symbol a 2 years old could draw but it's the symbol of arguably the most successful religion ever and if you put it on your shirt and said "uh why do you assume I'm christian, last I checked christians don't own two lines crossing eachothers lol idiot, ancient egyptians did it first anyway" people are just going to think you're moronic.
Your arguments are honest and you seem like a smart man. Go away
i take samuel clemens position of plagiarism.
It is real and it's a good thing.
Being against cultural appropriation just means you're a xenophobe.
I kinda agree. I mean... I'm a white looking mixed breed and had a white b***h former roommate "call me out" for using chopsticks a lot at home for cooking and shit and claimed it was cultural appropriation. I corrected her that it's cultural appropriASIAN and that I'm part chino so it's okay (she doesn't know anything about Asia so she we wouldn't know that my Gran is from a country that doesn't use chopsticks anyway lmao). She accused me of bullshitting until I showed her a pic of me, my dad and my Gran. Then she shut the frick up forever when I asked her "who are you, a white b***h, to question my Asianness? That's super fricking racist. You're racist."
Basically, the only people who gaf about cultural appropriation are people who have little connection to their culture to begin with or white people.
Now for the part I disagree with: doing shit while disparaging the culture it came from or stealing it as part of your own with no acknowledgement of its provenance
>Basically, the only people who gaf about cultural appropriation are people who have little connection to their culture to begin with or white people.
>Now for the part I disagree with: doing shit while disparaging the culture it came from or stealing it as part of your own with no acknowledgement of its provenance
this a million times.
i'm as white as the Ace of Marshmallows and people connected to their cultures are happy to tell me about them and even to teach me things about it and how to do things. especially since they spend most of their lives, like I do, immersed in multinational-corporate-dictated behavior that our recent ancestors have absorbed from advertisements, as opposed to "european culture" that we would have brought from the old country, or "local culture" that emerges in places that still have a sense of community.
"chopsticks as appropriation" is he dumbest thing I've ever heard. and black people are desperate to convince us to season our food properly.
lmfao this reminds me of when i was on a trip with my class and i said Black person and one girl came to me and put me down for saying it. When i asked why, she said cause "im not black". So i asked if i can say gorilla and she said "yeah why?" and i answered
>cause they look like gorillas
granted i had an average alcohol level of at least 1 vodka bottle throughout every day and i smoked like i wanted to have lung cancer, but i probably would have said the same thing if i wasnt drunk
>Being against cultural appropriation just means you're a xenophobe.
Oh, I'm going to steal that.
its the pizza effect
Are you the same kind of person who makes fun of blacks for wewuzing as ancient Egyptians?
Not that anon but that's a very different situation because it's about historical claims.
If someone claimed that say, the English are the true heirs of Alexander the Great and all current Greeks are just imposters that would be a lie. If an English person learned how to cook gyros, that's very different.
Is strange how according to those guys, blacks where Egyptians, Vikings, many important races thought history and still the backward white europeans came out on top.
Cultural Fetishization is the real problem, just like with weebs. Learning a language, wearing clothes, observing holidays, reading stories, that's all fine. What becomes a problem is when you start projecting your own preferences and proclivities on to that culture, thinking your study of it warrants you a place in it.
It's a pretty stupid thing to do, especially for people who consider themselves his fans. They could not have thought he'd actually like that.
Yeah, how dare they appreciate and keep his people’s culture alive. It only belongs to Aang and the children he eventually forces it on.
But they’re not keeping his culture alive, they’re actively altering it by removing and dismissing the meaning from the tattoos for a purely aesthetic reason
The frick you expect them to do, master airbending?
Have some respect for the culture they pay lip service to.
By doing what?
Not decorating themselves in the tattoos of masters for simply doing some tai chi.
Yeah. Like the Kyoshi warriors are hacks for just dressing up like Avatar Kyoshi when they aren't even earth benders, much less avatars.
The fricking cultural appropriators.
Yeah? They’re basically showing off having PhDs without having done a thesis
While they’re not being malicious in any way, Aang (who put in the necessary work to earn his tattoos) has the right to be upset by them
They literally can't.
Where exactly are they supposed to get an airbender degree?
Not everything has to be for everyone
Dead things are up for grabs.
>They literally can't.
Yes. You’re getting it now.
Just like men can’t become women, just because they really really really want it - that isn’t going to make them airbenders. There’s no appropriate way for them to have those tattoos.
But the fact that they're not airbenders is entirely Aang's fault for being a bad avatar and not giving them airbending.
If they can’t airbend then they shouldn’t decorate themselves with tattoos that say they’re really good airbenders and expect a positive response from someone who actually earned those tattoos
It’s stolen valour. Like wearing somebody else’s trophies.
They're learning all the authentic air bending techniques. Aang is behaving like a racist who says even if someone mastered Bushido they can't be a Samurai unless they're Japanese.
1) They’re actively disrespecting the purpose of the tattoos by giving them to people who aren’t Air Nomads and haven’t mastered airbending.
2)Aang never forced his culture onto any of his children, Tenzin did it because he was an airbender and wanted to while Bumi and Kaya didn’t want to because they weren’t. It has been shown repeatedly that the Air Nomad lifestyle can’t be forced on someone.
Now prepare to die.
he seemed pretty cool with it when he thought it was made with a pen
no need to overreact like an autist, really.
>he seemed pretty cool with it when he thought it was made with a pen
Which is stupid either he's okay with or not losing his shit over whether it's "authentic ink" or not is just the most pedantic and asinine thing you could do.
other than the cultural appropiation I agree with these two takes
if it's with a pen there's an assumption that it can/will come off
He seemed to be okay with it when he thought it was just paint
Isn't it the same as him making a water tribe necklace for Katara?
Also, This homosexual should be grateful that someone cares enough about his culture to not let it die.
Does the water tribe have a tradition that says "you can only make a necklace after you've done X"?
The "we recognize that only masters get them, so we just practice some shit we made up" part is pretty cringe tbh
the water tribe thing is an engagement necklace.
what they’re doing is asking for a participation trophy, .
Like any of this fricking matters
Aang didn't live long enough to see the existence of Harmonic Convergence which not only is the perfect ending and closing argument on why the Equalists were right morally you should feel ashamed to have bending powers because it's the universes cosmic way of saying "You're worthless unless you know bending powers."
Air genocide? Means nothing. Bumi is the Non Bending Child of 2 master benders one of which was the Avatar and cosmic magic bullshit turned him into an Air Bender
morons who wanted to ape a bunch of dead pedophiles, obviously.
>You can't have a tattoo because my dead gay culture thought a dumb arrow was high art
Aang was in the wrong.
Aang, shouldn't have let all the other Airbenders die. Besides it's not like he should be surprised he would start a fricking religion
>If I was a protagonist, I would simply not make mistakes.
You mean Roku shouldn't have let the Airbenders all die. Everything that happens is a direct consequence of him failing to do his job right.
That’s literally every Avatar. Cleaning up the messes left by their past lives is practically a running theme.
But Korra didn't clean anything, she just made everything worse.
Of Korra's four main villains two of them are absurdly busted by the setting's standard. Amon could defeat any non-fully realised Avatar in the setting in a straight fight, and Unalaq isn't much weaker than him.
In Season 3 Korra did help resolve the situation but was so badly injured at the end that she couldn't help with the timeskip cleanup which sets up season 4.
Honestly by the end of her adventures, aside from the Earth Kingdom civil war (which she was too injured to assist with) she doesn't really have a particularly bad record for an avatar.
Roku is easily worse because killing Sozin would have short-circuited a 100 year war and a genocide.
>she doesn't really have a particularly bad record for an avatar.
She released the spirits into the world and we all know why that is bad, she is the worst avatar.
This, we all know what there is in the spirit world.
That had positives and negatives, but look at the expanded universe stuff around say, Kyoshi (who founded the Dai Li who have caused immense trouble in multiple eras) or Yangchen (who created a giant spirit invasion by being entirely anti-spirit), or Roku (didn't kill Sozin and therefore let the 100 years war happen and the airbenders all die out) or Stozu (the firebender before Roku who created a precedent of firebender avatars being subservient to the Fire Lord)
-it's clear that Korra is at worst average for an avatar.
Well outside of severing the past life connection to all avatars so nobody from now forward gets a force ghost to help them and opening the spirit world that we know is dangerous.
She didn't sever the connection, it got severed because she fought an opponent who would have beaten the vast majority of avatars we've seen thus far anyway.
Roku was the one who didn’t want to kill his gay lover that genocided the Air Benders
Why is Aang so swole?
iirc this is like two/three years post show, so he's a proper teen
Ah, so he and Katara have done the dew by now
She's just his beard.
Have you seen the shit he does? He kinda has to be.
the bawd. correction is necessary.
Aang. For not dropping his pants and repopulating the air tribe with this broad on the spot.
You think he'd be a bit more appreciative since it's his fault the Air Nomad's got erased.
>by the time of korra we see the air larpers on the same island aang raised his family one with him presumably being more than fine with them
i get this is a bait thread but you could at least TRY to not ask questions you know the answer to
>study and respect a culture
>"these tattoos are for airbending masters"
>give themselves tattoos for "mastering airbender-like" forms
Yeah Air Acolytes are pretty cringe. It's like a Civil War reenactor describing themselves as a veteran.
None of them had the tattoos though, at some point they stopped.
>It's like a Civil War reenactor describing themselves as a veteran
If you've never met ones that do, you've never met a white civil war reenactor.
>The comics made Sokka a Cunnisseur
Maybe these things weren't completely worthless after all
This is Sokka's current list of conquests:
>3 girls from the earth kingdom + all the girls from the haiku class.
>a princess of the northern water tribe.
>one of Princess Azula's bodyguards.
Did ty Lee count? I mean she flirt with a lot of guys during the show. She was old only a bawd.
She only flirts to get things from them, she legitimately finds Sokka attractive.
The people who complain most about white people cooking using non-white dishes are almost uniformly people from those cultures that do not speak their own language or do so poorly.
she said he was cute when she was alone with mai
then kinda forgot he existed after the crossroads of destiny episode
it's either an offense to his culture or it is not which is what he's rambling about in the first place
i've got no idea if hes later concerned with the tattoos not coming off since ive havent read these and arent willing to do so
Every where Sokka goes he's attracting girls.
at the very least they were funny as frick
They're spiritually air benders. Korra covered this already.
Aang is overreacting. No one is going to mistake his groupies for airbenders. He gets a pass though because all his homies are dead.
It's weird because Aang is technically the world's authority on Air Nomad culture and we have no way of knowing of how other airbenders would think of this but I still think he's overreacting here. These people can't airbend but they probably have done the effort of learning and preserving the air nomad tattooing traditions.
I’m on the pro-aang side but this does feel like an out of character moment
I think at most he’d do a wacky face at the camera and a goofy musical sting would play
You think of all people Aang would be the most chill about some committing a faux pas out of earnestness.
Yeah!
Like, I get why he would be so displeased with how they’re treating the air nomad culture, but I don’t feel he’d be so finger-waggy at people trying their best to respect it
It seems like the comic wants to really highlight how *Masculine* Aang is now but chose the weirdest targets for him to unload on.
>These people can't airbend but they probably have done the effort of learning and preserving the air nomad tattooing traditions.
Actually, that is what ultimately happens in the comic, if memory serves.
Aang sees they adapted Airbending techniques into a functional non-bending martial art (or something like that) and understood they weren't just "Air Nomad Larping". Thus, he apologized for the outburst and named them the Air Acolytes (who, if I remember TLoK correctly, did not have tattoos. So, only the first Acolyte generation had them out of an honest mistake).
Shut the frick up. You're supposed to be irrationally angry at this without the context
Even with context it's out of character for Aang to react this strongly over something so innocuous.
Show the rest of the comic, coward.
If the guy they are doing this for asks them to stop they should stop. As for if they where wrong to do it in the first place, if the Air Nomads wanted to have their culture portrayed accurately and respectfully they shouldn't have been a bunch of isolationists who all got killed to death.
Thankfully the Avatar series ended with book 3 so these hypotheticals are pointless.
I get that all nations are defined by their bending but why do all the air nomads appear to have air bending? Aang even only teaches his culture to Tenzin implying it is a culture only for air benders despite his other two children having air nomad blood. I get that he later makes the air acolytes but I don't get why his culture seems restricted to people who can make gust of wind
Air Bender Monks live in the Mountains for Territorial and Spiritual reasons. Imagine a society of people who believe in the Ted K style of living they dont exactly welcome guests unless there is a damn good reason they need to be there
Bending has a spiritual element as well as genetics. All the Air Nomads were highly spiritual as monks, so they were all Airbenders.
Which could have been an interesting plot point for Korra's era to deal with, with all the heavy industrialization happening and spirituality element of bending slowly dying out having less benders be born could have been an issue.
you know, the word 'spiritual' comes up a lot in this show, but what does it actually mean in this context? They don't seem to have gods, just spirits who ... live in another world, one most people have no access to... who can come into OUR world whenever they want, and fricking murder us and destroy all our stuff.. and who for some reason care about us staying preindustrial because starvation and disease is better than cutting down a few trees. These spirits can't really be related with or recognized in any way, let alone worshipped. so what does 'being spiritual' mean?
Yue's dad prayed to the moon spirit and it listened, so at least some spirits are open to the idea of having worshipers.
This reminds me that Korra released the Face Stealing Spirit into the world.
They're probably a dystopia that makes non benders serfs who farm to feed the monks and benders the theocratic nobility that gets to have unlimited free time to "Seek Enlightenment"
I'm sure Aang would have taught Bumi and Kya too if they were interested
>Who was in the wrong here?
Aang his people don't own the concept of arrows and it's none of his god damn business what other people tattoo on their bodies
>letting his culture die out and give the fire nation an ultimate victory
Vs
>letting his cultire be accessible to everyone who wants to learn of it even if it means watering it down
Pic unrelated.
Do you ever get the impression Airbenders used to be a male-dominated society where women were bred with only out of obligation, and the tattoos were invented to make them feel better about going bald... and then some centuries later they reluctantly allowed the women to have them too, even though it meant giving themselves fricking klingon-tier fiveheads, but they still sure as frick kept the sexes segregated because girls are still icky and they'd rather do things to the young boys? Because that's the impression I get.
You know the air nomads were prison gay.
Both are wrong and moronic.
>the fans are stupid for stripping aspects of Aang's culture and watering them down (specifically the usage and intent) in such a way that it disrespects the original meaning behind them (cultural appropriation/imperialism)
>Aang is stupid because Aang doesn't really have that much knowledge or information on the Air Nomad culture in the first place: Aang was TWELVE YEARS OLD when the genocide occurred, there's just no believable way he'd enough valuable insight or knowledge to pose as a source of cultural authority or meaningfully pass it down
if anything, the comic could have explored Aang's choice to recreate a new Air Nomad culture born from the collective teachings of his time spent in the other nations and what little he could scrounge up from the ashes, and then create meaningful conflict when stuff like this bobs up
but since ATLA isn't interested in evaluating Aang or what he logically should be, especially not with Bryke at the helm, that doesn't happen
Aang, and he admitted it in the rest of the story. They made some blunders but they just wanted to help and needed guidance. This is the start of the Accolytes from Korra. Pema joined the order and married Tenzin.
Maybe spend some time reading comics instead of looking for panels to start arguments with.
>Pema joined the order and was a loose prostitute who cucked Lin
ftfy, b***h was even proud enough about it to pass being a bawd as wisdom for Korra to use on Mako.
The virgin Lin cannot compete with Stacy Pema
JK, I agree with you
Lin was a barren prostitute who wanted the airbenders to go extinct so she wouldn't have to be bothered with motherhood. She deserved way worse.
He’s the last of his kind up to that point, it’s understandable he’d be more easily upset by a perceived disrespect of his cultural heritage.
The fans, sharing aspects of your culture and shit is fine but for sacred/ritualistic practises shouldn't be done by people who are just fans/larping.
It's a culture that's been literally dead for 100 years. Aang shouldn't have run away like a b***h if he didn't want his precious culture used by filthy non-benders.
Aang has himself recognized that he was wrong
Equating a fanclub being morons to stolen valor is pretty crass yeah?
ITT: people with strong opinions about things they haven’t read.
The last airbender only repopulate 1 airbender .
Honestly I understand Aang, he is quite literally last of his kind and there isn't really anyone to keep his people's traditions alive, other than Tenzin, so that shit has to be looked after
None of this is helped by the fact the premise of the series is based on utter prostituteshit.
>The "Last" Airbender
You're seriously trying to tell me the Air Nomads were the ONLY group of people on the planet who had airbending genes? That's not how people, genetic distribution, or even genocide works. Frick off.
Airbending isn't genetic. It's learned.
Bullshit. It is demonstrated multiple times that bending is genetic. It's why the Avatar is so special in the first place, as the only person around who is physically able to use all types. You can't "learn" to fly if you don't have wings.
What kind of element you can bend is genetic.
Whether or not you're a bender isn't really genetic. It can't be just based on your image, where two identical twins with the same DNA (because they're identical twins) are one bender and one nonbender.
didnt the creators say its one part genetics one part spirituality?
>Whether or not you're a bender isn't really genetic.
Yes it is. You're an actual moron who's going on your own delusional headcanon instead of what's actually in the show.
Also, twins are not 100% identical. You're an idiot.
nta
>random google result
Try again with a real source this time, moron.
>a real source
unlike your source (your ass)
It is actively shown in the show that you're either born a bender, or you're not. No amount of cope on your part changes this hard fact. Frick off.
Was Toph born a bender?
idk i'm just a guy who posted a google search
>struggling this hard
I would pray for your family, but I’m sure god has been using you to test them.
What makes you think DNA even exists in the Avatar world
Just the idea that no other Airbender survived becomes something harder to believe in as the series keep worldbuildng after the fact.
>they're the only nation that can fly and could've always outpaced Fire nation troop movements.
>they're supposedly nomadic so they should've been stretched out across the world.
>100 years isn't nearly enough time for the fire nation to hunt and kill every survivor.
>100 years isn't nearly enough time for the fire nation to hunt and kill every survivor.
The Holocaust lasted 6 years and approximately 11,000,000 were murdered among israelites, Gypsies and other ethnic, social and ideological groups.
Considering that the air temples are not very large, it seems feasible that all the airbenders would be eliminated within 100 years.
Well israeli people weren't also masters in a magical kung fu that centers entirely around evading trouble.
>it seems feasible that all airbenders would be eliminated within 100 years.
The Fire Nation couldn't hold on to Aang, a single airbender, for more then a hour.
>The Fire Nation couldn't hold on to Aang, a single airbender, for more then a hour.
Yes, but it was the avatar + 100 years of energy accumulation.
Theyd already wiped out all the other air benders for a good few decades by then. They got sloppy and didnt know how to properly capture an air bender
>The Holocaust lasted 6 years and approximately 11,000,000 were murdered among israelites, Gypsies and other ethnic, social and ideological groups.
Never hapened.
Aang racist
>it’s ok for us to do american things
>but not ok for you to do our things, because we’re really speshul
So hmmm do Airbenders throw away the children who can't airbend? I thought they were the good guys...
They allowed homosexuality, obviously they were the bad guys.
They were in the wrong. Perhaps Aang was a little harsh but he wasn’t unjustified. One cannot go wearing or marking themselves with a cultural symbol that is sacred to the culture, on the grounds that it’s part of a fan club, to show support to the said person who belongs to the actual culture and knows what it means.
>My body my choice
>NO WOMAN! YOU CAN'T STEAL MY PEOPLES TATTOOS
Obviously this is Trump and Sokka's fault.
Gatekeeping is a good thing
>Who was in the wrong here?
Her hairline