He was, no question. When are you all going to realize this show was just bait to drive to "normalize" this shit and make people who are just shit people "sympathetic".
>b-but we know he was bad! it never tried to hide that!
Yet it was all conveniently designed to make him out to be a victim of circumstances as well. Real adult men don't act like this, regardless of their past; and if they do, they are just garbage people.
I guarantee you, statistically most of the global adult male population of the world would do this in heartbeat, without question. Civilized western men with moral standards are an exception and even then there are some who are maintaining and controlling urges that they themselves would never commit, in real life at least.
Theres bad people and there's bad choices. It shows that Bojack was a stupid guy that constantly made bad choices. When he went to jail and an institution started making choices for him, life got easier for him.
Since it happened in New Mexico and he was the designated adult chaperone of this minor and her friends for the evening, Bojack was, unquestionably, by like eight felonies. He's looking at fifty years for getting them drunk, abandoning one of them at an emergency room, then not just walking out of the room when his friend's child came onto him.
Frankly he's lucky he didn't try this shit in Oregon.
>this minor
She specfically points out that she's legal for sex by New Mexico law. The point isn't if he could go to jail etc. etc., it's how it affects his relantionship with the girl's mother. Saying the girl was tramuatized by it seasons later was moronic.
>Saying the girl was tramuatized by it seasons later was moronic.
I disagree. I think it would make sense for her to have some trauma from the situation. That said, they took the trauma thing way too far. She was throwing herself at him, despite multiple rejections form him, and less than a year later, she's having a panic attack at the sight of him?
It's become fashionable among young people to do a sort of cognitive-behavioral therapy on themselves that can actually induce trauma responses. When faced with a mundane event like someone saying mean things, they react strongly to it, fixate their thoughts on it, and receive social approval for doing so. This trains them to form strong emotions in response to the stimulus, which can progress to the point of an automatic neurosis response. This is an exaggeration of something actual psychologists got wrong for a long time. Moving on from actual traumatic experiences is generally the best thing to do mental health wise.
I've seen this trend rising, but that was mostly post-covid. This scene predates that fairly significantly. I think it might just be sloppy writing, and a desire to ALWAYS frame Bojack as in the wrong, no mater what.
To me it felt like the writers didn't realize until after the episode aired that they just accidentally copied some pro-pedo arguments. So they had Penny suddenly switch over to "Oh noes I was taken advantage of because I was underage!" They could either do that, OR they could have continued Penny's attraction to Bojack by having her come onto him when he visited her at college. The latter is effectively the fantasy of just about every groomer out there.
What would have been good is if they had her apologize to Bojack for practically forcing herself on him, while making it clear to him that it was just a passing crush and she no longer feels that way about him. But then they would have had her apologizing for her actions "as a child" and therefor implying she was fully capable of making her own choices, which is again a pro-pedo argument.
They never should have touched the third rail that is age of consent laws, there is no way to do anything other than "PEDO IS BAD!" or they'll get targeted. Which is exactly why they gave up and just went with Penny freaking out about "I was UNDERAGE! I didn't know what I was asking for!"
Or, they could have had her say something like "I was out of line for pushing the issue after you rejected me, but YOU were out of line for not continuing to reject me, as the adult in the situation."
Acknowledging that they were both in the wrong, but as the adult in the situation, it was ultimately up to him to prevent what happened. She could be upset and have some trauma, without becoming a shaking mess from even thinking about it.
>they could have had her say something like "I was out of line for pushing the issue after you rejected me
Still has the issue of implying that someone under the age of consent could be even remotely responsible for what happened. Underage means can't be considered to be in the wrong in these situations. If they had, they would be crucified.
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>someone under the age of consent
What does that have to do with the scenario in question?
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>I'm gonna pretend that if they portrayed a 17yo woman sleeping with a 30yo man it wouldn't have been considered underage because THAT STATE'S LAWS SAY...
Anon, who are you trying to fool?
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>they could have had her say something like "I was out of line for pushing the issue after you rejected me
Still has the issue of implying that someone under the age of consent could be even remotely responsible for what happened. Underage means can't be considered to be in the wrong in these situations. If they had, they would be crucified.
>then not just walking out of the room when his friend's child came onto him.
He did it, it was the girl who kept insisting that she wanted to have sex with him and that she was of legal age.
BoJack, turns down willing teen for the mom, then slinks back when he doesn't get that. Doesn't even TRY for Oyakadon.
And I'm supposed to believe he's experienced at this?
Experienced at what? If anything the show depicts him as very clumsy and graceless when it comes to sex and romance and only gets lots of sex because there's plenty of dumb b***hes who want to get fricked by The Horse from Horsin' Around.
That b***h for not getting away the first time he rejected her and taking advantage of his recent rejection to manipulate him into having sex.
All of the situation was her fricking idea, her actions, she started it and continued it until her mom found out and she got scared and then acted like a fricking victim the b***h.
Bojack, of course. You see, if the show Bojack Horseman taught us anything, it's that women are never responsible for the bad or foolish things they do. Evey bad decision made by a woman is actually the fault of a terrible man.
Sarah Lynn only died because Bojack offered her drugs. It's his fault.
Diane was only a lazy hypocrite with no standards because of Bojack's influence. It's his fault.
Princess Carolyn was only a wildly obsessive workaholic who is reckless with her clients to the point of criminal negligence because years of working with Bojack ruined her! Its his fault.
Diane and Mr. Peanutbutter's failed marriage is only because of Mr. PB! Diane did nothing wrong, And if she DID do something wrong, it's Mr. PB's fault for pushing her there! Also, it's his failed she lead him on after he finally got happy with someone else because... Age gaps in relationships are bad. Or something. It's all his fault.
Gina treats her male costars horribly, gaining a reputation for being difficult because Bojack traumatized her when he choked her on set. Despite the fact that his temporary psychosis was brought on by the dangerous drugs that Princess Carolyn gave him for his legitimate severe. An injury he got because of her negligence. But you see, we've already established that every bad thing Princess Carolyn doe sis actually Bojack's fault anyway, so it's still on him. It's all his fault.
Bojack's mother was only a cold, heartless, abusive b***h who engaged in actual child trafficking because of her terrible father. So it's his fault.
See? There's nothing a woman can't do wrong that can't also be blamed on a man.
Everyone to be honest: >Bojack for not fricking that little bawd in a motel, or at least locking the door. That cheapstake can afford a boat to keep up a lie, but he can't walk two blocks down to go to a cheap motel?. Oh please... >Penny for being a little b***h, also for causing drama when she met Bojack in college. She can't do anything (except defame) because she was legally of age during her encounter with Bojack. >Charlotte for being so indecisive, also for throwing a fit about Bojack attempting to frick her daughter. Penny is 16, ergo legal in her state. The "You need to be over 18 to be considered adult" it's a meme in third world countries, whose imigrants are trying to force in the States. It has to be said
Pity fricking someone's daughter after you fail to seduce the mother, mere minutes afterwards at that, is a tremendously collossal dick move. Charlotte had every right to be furious at BoJack, law be damned
Bojack was wrong but I think the writers played up Bojack's evilness here to fit a Me Too narrative rather than leave it ambiguous as to whether Bojack actually tried to frick Penny.
>Fit a #MeToo narrative
If the goal was to show that men could get Me Too’d then they failed. If it was to show that it could be abused by girls who regret the deed because they got caught it succeeded, but I doubt that was the goal.
The punchline is weakened by her turning down sex with Owl earlier. Sure he was TRYING to frick the baitest jailbait, but he wasn't actually going to no matter what.
>but he wasn't actually going to
Just because she said no doesn't mean he wouldn't have done it.
If she had said yes, he would have. That's why it changes nothing about how shit he is.
They both were bojack is an adult so he takes more at fault for his choices, penny I'm mad at her not owning up to her choices and not moving on instead of taking it like she's been traumatized when the only real trauma was getting caught by her mom but that probably her parents are more at fault for conditioning her into thinking it wasn't her fault and making her believe she's more of a victim then she actually is.
she was 17. which only take just ONE FRICKING YEAR to become Muh legal age. you think that's "Muh pedophilia" or some shit like that?
i just can't fricking believe that people who think this is "Le heckin crime", also think that mutilating children and giving them puberty blockers to turn them into trannies is human right.
bojack horseman fans are so fricking moronic and libtarded.
I think everyone is looking at this situation the wrong way.
Legality isn’t equivalent to morality. Anyone who believes the law is moral is lying to themselves. The law changes and twists. Would anyone change their stance on abortion or slavery, depending on what the government decreed about it? I don’t think so. Nobody 180s their views based on legality. Better example might be weed. Would your stance on weed change if it was/wasn’t legal according to the government? Are states where the weed laws are different immoral because they’re different than yours, or does your moral view on weed change as you cross state lines?
So let’s discard whether or not Horse Guy was legally in the clear.
Is it moral to crash at the house of the married woman you used to love, and then end up in bed with her daughter?
I’m not judging anyone’s opinion, I just think it’s silly to care about what the law says.
It was peak scumbag behavior. The fact that he rebukes her advances initially only to cave in after being rejected by Charlotte is what makes the show great. It's that Bojack knows what's right and wrong and tries to steer in the right direction but every hurdle gives an excuse for him to choose the degenerate side. Like an addict who finds some crazy logic that makes taking another hit sound rational.
When you mean "wrong" do you mean illegal or immoral? Can't remember how old she was here. Also she was consenting? What's the context of "wrong" here?
>Love Mad Men >Friend tells me to check this out cause I love Mad Men >Despite following similar story beats the show is complete and utter dog shit
How’d this get 5 seasons?
>Sex without consent is rape. >Consent must be enthusiastic. >Someone repeatedly requesting sex from someone who has rejected you is coercion. >Coercion is not consent. >Coercing someone into sex is rape
>Bojack repeatedly rejects Penny >Gives clear reasons why, and makes his decision well known >Penny continues to push the issue, pressing him even after immediate rejection. >Bojack is flat and emotionless when he finally relents
Bojack for being so pathetic he bought booze for 17 year olds and caving to a 17 year olds advances when her mom predictably didn't frick him
Penny for trying to frick Bojack so much to the point she read up on the relevant laws, still trying to frick him after the shitshow with her friends, and having the audacity to act traumatized because she ALMOST had sex with Bojack.
Bojack for not getting those panties. Honestly, she should have caught her daughter leaving his boat first thing in the morning after spending the night with him and his horse wiener. Maybe have them fricking for a few weeks before her mom finds out.
It would actually make the whole "Bojack is a creep" thing they try to make this whole thing out to be later in the show actually work. But Also literally everything in Bojack's life would have been better if everyone would have just enabled him. He was clearly a decent actor, able to control his shit when he has consistent work on. Bojack would have been happy working, Princess Caroline would have had a megastar client again that would have increased her profile, salary, and client base. Diane would have actually had material for several books and thus achieved her goal instead of spiralling into bullshit. Todd would have been able to mooch off Bojack no problem because Bojack would have had so much money they he wouldn't have noticed Todd beyond enjoying the company. Mr. PB wouldn't have constantly caused Bojack anxiety because he was doing better, so they both probably would have been better friends. Bojack wouldn't constantly be showing up in the lives of people from his past looking for fulfilment.
Bojack then would have either gotten 10 to 20 years worth of solid, life-fulfiling happiness from his work and partying from the booze and drugs until he dies from an OD or something and then is remembered as another star with an addiction problem, or he would have found enough fulfilment in his acting that he wouldn't need his addictions anymore and kick them, becoming a better person and not the needy, fulfilment parasite he was in the show.
Bojack, in this moment. But the implications that the mom gaslit her into turning this night into a PTSD inducing moment is among the most fricked up things in the show and I'm not even sure the writers knew what they were doing there. Nothing happened here. So was the memory evoking trama of her getting her ass beat or shamed relentlessly off screen or something?
See, this right here. What was up with the PTSD flashbacks? She was the one being pushy in the situation, and nothing even happened. yet, Penny turns into a shaking, terrified mess at the sheer mention of Bojack?
See, this right here. What was up with the PTSD flashbacks? She was the one being pushy in the situation, and nothing even happened. yet, Penny turns into a shaking, terrified mess at the sheer mention of Bojack?
Yeah. In later seasons especially, the Bojack writers got really hamfisted.
He is a grown man taking advantage of a much younger woman's immaturity and desire for affection. It is pretty clear that he doesn't want to harm her but he should realize that the relationship is not healthy for either of them.
Wasn't this another storyline where the writers didn't get the audience response they wanted to so it was retconned to make people hate Bojack? I remember they did the same shit with Sarah Lynn where it was pretty clear she was going to OD on someone and it happened to be Bojack retconned to he straight up refused to take her to a hospital.
society
He was, no question. When are you all going to realize this show was just bait to drive to "normalize" this shit and make people who are just shit people "sympathetic".
>b-but we know he was bad! it never tried to hide that!
Yet it was all conveniently designed to make him out to be a victim of circumstances as well. Real adult men don't act like this, regardless of their past; and if they do, they are just garbage people.
Your black and white view of morality is infinitely more childish than any one thing shown in Bojack Horseman.
>"normalize"
>Real adult men
Every man above 18 is a real man
>NO YOU SEE YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE BAD!
Wow fascinating observation.
> Real adult men don't act like this
Yes they do.
>and if they do, they are just garbage people.
That is quite literally the entire point of his character.
I guarantee you, statistically most of the global adult male population of the world would do this in heartbeat, without question. Civilized western men with moral standards are an exception and even then there are some who are maintaining and controlling urges that they themselves would never commit, in real life at least.
Theres bad people and there's bad choices. It shows that Bojack was a stupid guy that constantly made bad choices. When he went to jail and an institution started making choices for him, life got easier for him.
Hey, he's right
The girl for being a fricking bawd
Deer e-girl for being a moron (she should be beaten by her father) and bojack for being a nonce (he should be castrated)
It's called Gelding when you do it to a horse.
Even if she was an adult, trying to frick your friend's daughter is messed up
He wasn’t trying to frick her. She was trying to frick him.
The artists for fricking up the anatomy.
Penny
Since it happened in New Mexico and he was the designated adult chaperone of this minor and her friends for the evening, Bojack was, unquestionably, by like eight felonies. He's looking at fifty years for getting them drunk, abandoning one of them at an emergency room, then not just walking out of the room when his friend's child came onto him.
Frankly he's lucky he didn't try this shit in Oregon.
>this minor
She specfically points out that she's legal for sex by New Mexico law. The point isn't if he could go to jail etc. etc., it's how it affects his relantionship with the girl's mother. Saying the girl was tramuatized by it seasons later was moronic.
>Saying the girl was tramuatized by it seasons later was moronic.
I disagree. I think it would make sense for her to have some trauma from the situation. That said, they took the trauma thing way too far. She was throwing herself at him, despite multiple rejections form him, and less than a year later, she's having a panic attack at the sight of him?
It's become fashionable among young people to do a sort of cognitive-behavioral therapy on themselves that can actually induce trauma responses. When faced with a mundane event like someone saying mean things, they react strongly to it, fixate their thoughts on it, and receive social approval for doing so. This trains them to form strong emotions in response to the stimulus, which can progress to the point of an automatic neurosis response. This is an exaggeration of something actual psychologists got wrong for a long time. Moving on from actual traumatic experiences is generally the best thing to do mental health wise.
I've seen this trend rising, but that was mostly post-covid. This scene predates that fairly significantly. I think it might just be sloppy writing, and a desire to ALWAYS frame Bojack as in the wrong, no mater what.
To me it felt like the writers didn't realize until after the episode aired that they just accidentally copied some pro-pedo arguments. So they had Penny suddenly switch over to "Oh noes I was taken advantage of because I was underage!" They could either do that, OR they could have continued Penny's attraction to Bojack by having her come onto him when he visited her at college. The latter is effectively the fantasy of just about every groomer out there.
What would have been good is if they had her apologize to Bojack for practically forcing herself on him, while making it clear to him that it was just a passing crush and she no longer feels that way about him. But then they would have had her apologizing for her actions "as a child" and therefor implying she was fully capable of making her own choices, which is again a pro-pedo argument.
They never should have touched the third rail that is age of consent laws, there is no way to do anything other than "PEDO IS BAD!" or they'll get targeted. Which is exactly why they gave up and just went with Penny freaking out about "I was UNDERAGE! I didn't know what I was asking for!"
Or, they could have had her say something like "I was out of line for pushing the issue after you rejected me, but YOU were out of line for not continuing to reject me, as the adult in the situation."
Acknowledging that they were both in the wrong, but as the adult in the situation, it was ultimately up to him to prevent what happened. She could be upset and have some trauma, without becoming a shaking mess from even thinking about it.
>they could have had her say something like "I was out of line for pushing the issue after you rejected me
Still has the issue of implying that someone under the age of consent could be even remotely responsible for what happened. Underage means can't be considered to be in the wrong in these situations. If they had, they would be crucified.
>someone under the age of consent
What does that have to do with the scenario in question?
>I'm gonna pretend that if they portrayed a 17yo woman sleeping with a 30yo man it wouldn't have been considered underage because THAT STATE'S LAWS SAY...
Anon, who are you trying to fool?
>someone under the age of consent
He was drunk
So was she.
>then not just walking out of the room when his friend's child came onto him.
He did it, it was the girl who kept insisting that she wanted to have sex with him and that she was of legal age.
Didn't later, the girl said that he was taking advantage of her because she was too young to know better?
Women really have no agency.
Penny is the embodiment of "I didn't know I'd get pregnant from having sex"
which makes me feel zero empathy for her.
BoJack, turns down willing teen for the mom, then slinks back when he doesn't get that. Doesn't even TRY for Oyakadon.
And I'm supposed to believe he's experienced at this?
Experienced at what? If anything the show depicts him as very clumsy and graceless when it comes to sex and romance and only gets lots of sex because there's plenty of dumb b***hes who want to get fricked by The Horse from Horsin' Around.
He picked the wrong answers during the dating phases, locked out that route entirely
Even if it’s not legally pedophilia fricking your former friends young daughter just to get back at them is a really shitty thing to do
Clearly Bojack. Doesn't matter that she was throwing herself at him and literally said "I know what I want."
You see, women are too stupid to make their own decisions regardless of age. The impetus is on him to know better.
>The impetus is on him
onus
I think what we need to ask is why is this up for debate on here
Incels
Bojack. He's taking advantage of a vulnerable and impressionable young woman due to a crush he had on her mother.
That b***h for not getting away the first time he rejected her and taking advantage of his recent rejection to manipulate him into having sex.
All of the situation was her fricking idea, her actions, she started it and continued it until her mom found out and she got scared and then acted like a fricking victim the b***h.
Furries. Furries are in the wrong always.
This may include OP.
They sure are.
Clearly there isn't enough to satisfy OP.
>still nothing of the cute axolotl girl
ok now this is epic
https://e621.net/posts/3949653
I prefer that one where bojack knocks her up.
Bojack. Not because of trying to sleep with penny, but because you'd have to be a drooling knuckledragging moron to get caught in his situation.
This episode taught me that a huge percentage of your friends would totally frick your daughter if given the slightest hint of a chance.
Not just your daughter, but also your mom or your girlfriend. Unironically.
Op is, for regurgitating this thread for the Nth time.
Who was in the wrong here?
She, you can't trust your life to another addict, plus Bojack was much worse than her to the point that he was suffering from lapses of consciousness.
Bojack, of course. You see, if the show Bojack Horseman taught us anything, it's that women are never responsible for the bad or foolish things they do. Evey bad decision made by a woman is actually the fault of a terrible man.
Sarah Lynn only died because Bojack offered her drugs. It's his fault.
Diane was only a lazy hypocrite with no standards because of Bojack's influence. It's his fault.
Princess Carolyn was only a wildly obsessive workaholic who is reckless with her clients to the point of criminal negligence because years of working with Bojack ruined her! Its his fault.
Diane and Mr. Peanutbutter's failed marriage is only because of Mr. PB! Diane did nothing wrong, And if she DID do something wrong, it's Mr. PB's fault for pushing her there! Also, it's his failed she lead him on after he finally got happy with someone else because... Age gaps in relationships are bad. Or something. It's all his fault.
Gina treats her male costars horribly, gaining a reputation for being difficult because Bojack traumatized her when he choked her on set. Despite the fact that his temporary psychosis was brought on by the dangerous drugs that Princess Carolyn gave him for his legitimate severe. An injury he got because of her negligence. But you see, we've already established that every bad thing Princess Carolyn doe sis actually Bojack's fault anyway, so it's still on him. It's all his fault.
Bojack's mother was only a cold, heartless, abusive b***h who engaged in actual child trafficking because of her terrible father. So it's his fault.
See? There's nothing a woman can't do wrong that can't also be blamed on a man.
Everyone to be honest:
>Bojack for not fricking that little bawd in a motel, or at least locking the door. That cheapstake can afford a boat to keep up a lie, but he can't walk two blocks down to go to a cheap motel?. Oh please...
>Penny for being a little b***h, also for causing drama when she met Bojack in college. She can't do anything (except defame) because she was legally of age during her encounter with Bojack.
>Charlotte for being so indecisive, also for throwing a fit about Bojack attempting to frick her daughter. Penny is 16, ergo legal in her state. The "You need to be over 18 to be considered adult" it's a meme in third world countries, whose imigrants are trying to force in the States. It has to be said
Finally, someone with an answer that makes the most sense and doesn't boil down to the same damn responses we get everytime this scene comes up.
Pity fricking someone's daughter after you fail to seduce the mother, mere minutes afterwards at that, is a tremendously collossal dick move. Charlotte had every right to be furious at BoJack, law be damned
This show sucks, pretentious garbage trying to be "deep"
Here's a way better show
Bojack was wrong but I think the writers played up Bojack's evilness here to fit a Me Too narrative rather than leave it ambiguous as to whether Bojack actually tried to frick Penny.
The way I remember it, Penny tried to frick Bojack and the media used Bojack's lapse in judgement to depict him as a predator.
>Fit a #MeToo narrative
If the goal was to show that men could get Me Too’d then they failed. If it was to show that it could be abused by girls who regret the deed because they got caught it succeeded, but I doubt that was the goal.
Better question:
Who was in the wrong here?
The punchline is weakened by her turning down sex with Owl earlier. Sure he was TRYING to frick the baitest jailbait, but he wasn't actually going to no matter what.
>but he wasn't actually going to
Just because she said no doesn't mean he wouldn't have done it.
If she had said yes, he would have. That's why it changes nothing about how shit he is.
The SITUATION, from which the comedy comes, becomes less tense
Owl is always in the wrong, that fricking piece of shit! I still can't get over him hiding Megg and Mog's laptops, smdh
You were
You, for thinking there's any question to this.
Whoever wouldn’t take no as an answer and kept badgering till it became a yes.
They both were bojack is an adult so he takes more at fault for his choices, penny I'm mad at her not owning up to her choices and not moving on instead of taking it like she's been traumatized when the only real trauma was getting caught by her mom but that probably her parents are more at fault for conditioning her into thinking it wasn't her fault and making her believe she's more of a victim then she actually is.
she was 17. which only take just ONE FRICKING YEAR to become Muh legal age. you think that's "Muh pedophilia" or some shit like that?
i just can't fricking believe that people who think this is "Le heckin crime", also think that mutilating children and giving them puberty blockers to turn them into trannies is human right.
bojack horseman fans are so fricking moronic and libtarded.
Mindbroken
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hold the camera still you fricking hack
This was uncomfortable. Especially with the child's overly childish accent and the older cat's creepy foreign one
What if your friend from 20 years returned unannounced on your doorstep, teased you, then tried to sleep with your daughter?
How many times did my daughter throw herself at him and how many times did he say no?
I think everyone is looking at this situation the wrong way.
Legality isn’t equivalent to morality. Anyone who believes the law is moral is lying to themselves. The law changes and twists. Would anyone change their stance on abortion or slavery, depending on what the government decreed about it? I don’t think so. Nobody 180s their views based on legality. Better example might be weed. Would your stance on weed change if it was/wasn’t legal according to the government? Are states where the weed laws are different immoral because they’re different than yours, or does your moral view on weed change as you cross state lines?
So let’s discard whether or not Horse Guy was legally in the clear.
Is it moral to crash at the house of the married woman you used to love, and then end up in bed with her daughter?
I’m not judging anyone’s opinion, I just think it’s silly to care about what the law says.
It was peak scumbag behavior. The fact that he rebukes her advances initially only to cave in after being rejected by Charlotte is what makes the show great. It's that Bojack knows what's right and wrong and tries to steer in the right direction but every hurdle gives an excuse for him to choose the degenerate side. Like an addict who finds some crazy logic that makes taking another hit sound rational.
When you mean "wrong" do you mean illegal or immoral? Can't remember how old she was here. Also she was consenting? What's the context of "wrong" here?
>Can't remember how old she was here.
Of legal age.
>Also she was consenting?
Yes.
>What's the context of "wrong" here?
A meme phrase to prompt discussion on a topic that's had a lot of previous discussion.
Bojack
He should date in his own age bracket
>Love Mad Men
>Friend tells me to check this out cause I love Mad Men
>Despite following similar story beats the show is complete and utter dog shit
How’d this get 5 seasons?
The writers for cash on a dogshit terrorist movement
so the whole 17 minutes thing was a retcon right? They never alluded to it at all in seasons 4 or 5.
>Sex without consent is rape.
>Consent must be enthusiastic.
>Someone repeatedly requesting sex from someone who has rejected you is coercion.
>Coercion is not consent.
>Coercing someone into sex is rape
>Bojack repeatedly rejects Penny
>Gives clear reasons why, and makes his decision well known
>Penny continues to push the issue, pressing him even after immediate rejection.
>Bojack is flat and emotionless when he finally relents
Bojack Horseman was raped.
Both of them
Bojack for being so pathetic he bought booze for 17 year olds and caving to a 17 year olds advances when her mom predictably didn't frick him
Penny for trying to frick Bojack so much to the point she read up on the relevant laws, still trying to frick him after the shitshow with her friends, and having the audacity to act traumatized because she ALMOST had sex with Bojack.
>She was 17 and 11 months, you sick frick
Bojack, and anyone who disagrees is an ephebophile and a shitty person
Not Bojack tbh, he didn't even groom the b***h, she was just rerring. That old deer b***h shouldnta storm in.
Bojack for not getting those panties. Honestly, she should have caught her daughter leaving his boat first thing in the morning after spending the night with him and his horse wiener. Maybe have them fricking for a few weeks before her mom finds out.
And, uh, what about it being written this way would improve the show thematically?
It would actually make the whole "Bojack is a creep" thing they try to make this whole thing out to be later in the show actually work. But Also literally everything in Bojack's life would have been better if everyone would have just enabled him. He was clearly a decent actor, able to control his shit when he has consistent work on. Bojack would have been happy working, Princess Caroline would have had a megastar client again that would have increased her profile, salary, and client base. Diane would have actually had material for several books and thus achieved her goal instead of spiralling into bullshit. Todd would have been able to mooch off Bojack no problem because Bojack would have had so much money they he wouldn't have noticed Todd beyond enjoying the company. Mr. PB wouldn't have constantly caused Bojack anxiety because he was doing better, so they both probably would have been better friends. Bojack wouldn't constantly be showing up in the lives of people from his past looking for fulfilment.
Bojack then would have either gotten 10 to 20 years worth of solid, life-fulfiling happiness from his work and partying from the booze and drugs until he dies from an OD or something and then is remembered as another star with an addiction problem, or he would have found enough fulfilment in his acting that he wouldn't need his addictions anymore and kick them, becoming a better person and not the needy, fulfilment parasite he was in the show.
Thematically?
Unrelated but I hate Diane people talk about hating bojack but ended up hating her way more
Bojack for not slamming that legal deerussy
Bojack, in this moment. But the implications that the mom gaslit her into turning this night into a PTSD inducing moment is among the most fricked up things in the show and I'm not even sure the writers knew what they were doing there. Nothing happened here. So was the memory evoking trama of her getting her ass beat or shamed relentlessly off screen or something?
See, this right here. What was up with the PTSD flashbacks? She was the one being pushy in the situation, and nothing even happened. yet, Penny turns into a shaking, terrified mess at the sheer mention of Bojack?
Yeah. In later seasons especially, the Bojack writers got really hamfisted.
I bet the unassuming cuck dad belted her ass.
He is a grown man taking advantage of a much younger woman's immaturity and desire for affection. It is pretty clear that he doesn't want to harm her but he should realize that the relationship is not healthy for either of them.
Wasn't this another storyline where the writers didn't get the audience response they wanted to so it was retconned to make people hate Bojack? I remember they did the same shit with Sarah Lynn where it was pretty clear she was going to OD on someone and it happened to be Bojack retconned to he straight up refused to take her to a hospital.
bojack was scummy at best and a pedo at worst. imagine some washed up cougar fricking your teenage son purely to get back at you