Who was in the wrong here?

>avoiding a psycho

picrel and further explained here:

You have no idea of women psychology if you genuinely think that. Women are just are horny as you, but they mask it because they don't want to be seen as a bawd. You never need to be a chad, just not a repulsive Chris Chan type. You need to be more atune to their body and verbal language.

*attuned

>This is what incels actually believe

How would you know? It's against incel code to have female friends, the only woman in your life is your mom kek

>This is what incels actually believe
This is what women openly say

the only people who think women aren't chadsexual are women, chads, and gays who don't have skin in the game. if you are not chad you better be rich, funny as hell, and willing to let her sleep around.

FFS, stop being so sad and buck broken. If you had any female friends, you'd know how women basically think about sex all the time. You don't need to be a chad - you just need to hang with more women, don't be a mopey/depressive/annoying/self-pitying idiot and options will open up to you.

Do you have any female friends? Establishing that kind of network is the first thing you should do. Don't see them as potential fricks, but people you can vouch for you and to help you reshape/reflect on your behavior. Then options naturally open up.

Never fixate on a specific girl.

Then take care of your cleanliness and don't go ogre mode. You guys talk like the average dude is a fricking cave troll. If you're fat as frick, lift a little bit. FFS stop pretending the average guy is so fricking hopeless. It's your attitude and obsessive personalities that's the worst thing about it. The fact you're on here whining is a perfect example.

If you're really a 3/10, then go find the nearest small town dive bar and pick up one of the alcoholic trailer park single moms that hang out or work there. It's Saturday, they will be there all day, they will be intoxicated, and they will be horny. You will have essentially no competition besides other 3/10 meth head looking mf's (that they have probably already fricked and are sick of, so you win by being a novel new face). I honestly believe if you do that right now, you will get laid tonight, even with your current attitude and lack of experience. It's genuinely as easy as it gets.

Because it's a small town. There aren't many options, and at least one of them is already her good for nothing baby daddy. The whole point is that I have just given him, or any of you for that matter, a solid blueprint for a scenario that is as close to "right place right time" as can be that you are in full control of replicating at any given time. There is a greater than average chance of getting laid if you're around those kind of women. I promise nothing in the way of these women being attractive, but if you call yourself a 3/10 then you have no business being picky about looks to begin with. Easier and cheaper than getting a prostitute, and certainly easier than trying to get laid asap off a dating app since that is very much a numbers game that takes time.

False

t. Lived in Wisconsin

Who fricking cares dude. Just go talk to more women and stop being in your head so much caring about fricking statistics and shit. Dating apps attract a different kind of person. You have every right to be selective as well.

>Dating apps attract a different kind of person.

No they dont. Dating apps are how people primarily meet their partner these days. Note this pic is from 2017. The % for dating apps has only gone up since.

lol the amount of cope and projecting you're having with these replies is amazing.
>y-youre just ugly and have no friends!

Note that i have fricked everything from 3/10s to 9/10s. I know how women operate. I know how dating operates. Dating is nothing more than a exchange of resources.

All of this shit of
>just talk to her bro
>ignore the stats bro
mindset is just you disassociating and rejecting reality in order to cope with a harsh truth.

Let me let you in on something. Romance is for men. Not women. Romance is fantasy for men. Always has been. The old tales of some baker boy wooing over the princess with 'true love' is simply fantasy to deal with the reality that women do and always have dated/married up.

You are essentially doing the modern day equivalent of that

Ah my bad i read your post as
>all these stats do is prove is you're an ugly shut in with no friends and there is a 99.9% chance you will die alone a virgin

you are somewhat right in your assessment but there are obviously things you can control in order to attain a relationship.

Holy cope and projection.

It's not true at all though. I get a lot of pussy, and have nice relationships with women, unlike you posting delusional cope and seethe about MUH WOMEN'S PSYCHOLOGY because you aren't getting any. Embarrassing.

Normies like them are convinced that we’re these knuckledraggers raging at women instead of making casual observations about obvious shit. Lol

>If you actually understood women, you wouldn't be here moping and coping, you'd be out having successful dates, having relationships, and having a fulfilling sex life.
Half of all marriages end in divorce in the US

No man who genuinely understands women enjoys their company, dude.

See

> just have to make her vegana tingle, give her social access, get her thinking you are mysterious or dangerous, or just be there at the right time be someone she trusts will be discrete and not creepy.
this ugly loser had sex when i was playing in shitty bands and selling mdma i bought via TOR.
here is the problem with that strategy. trying to trick a woman in to thinking you're mysterious, dangerous or interesting these days is near impossible due to social media.

If you have an instagram with 32 followers they know you're just a loser and none of the above things. If you have no social media presence they assume the same thing. Even if you actually ARE mysterious, dangerous, interesting etc , it doesnt matter because people dont perceive you as that online and therefore she wont.

Women don't treat Tinder like a dating or hook-up app, they don't see it or use it that way. They treat it as a game where they get to judge people based solely on looks (their favorite pastime) and rack up as many matches as possible as an ego boost. It's why most never respond, because they aren't on there looking for sex or a boyfriend, they just want to see pictures of handsome men to share with their friends and get validated for their own looks by having the highest score.

I partially agree. Women use instagram as an actual dating site. Its also why its the first thing they ask for when you match with a girl who actually likes you.

Why is insta the real dating site?
Because it gives women an objective counter for certain aspects of your lifestyle? How many followers does he have? A lot? Then he is high status and wanted by others. What is he showing in his photos? Is he posing with expensive cars? Is he on holidays a lot? Does he have other beautiful women in his photos with him? Does it look like he has money? These are the real reason women ask for this stuff. They just want to snoop out your objective social status and wealth and isolate your true value away from any tricks or 'charm' you can use via tinder or on a date.

So it's exactly how women act irl when it comes to men?

Yeah I can get that. I basically only meant "make female friends" so they can learn to interact with them in a natural way, - but what you're saying makes sense.

It's crazy how these dudes always fall back on "ugliness" or "chadness" when they just need to reevaluate some basic aspects of their behaviour. The self importance and obsessiveness of their problems is basically an enormous turnoff for any potential partner, but also interactions with regular people.

if i wasn't ugly and undesirable even while being well kempt and a healthy weight i wouldn't be here complaining yes. my best self is still a 3/10. you guys act like a haircut and smile makes an ugly guy turn into an attractive one or something you people are fricking delusional and ridiculous.

More self pity stuff, including the stupid /10 rating scheme. It's not just a case of taking a fricking shower, shaving or cutting your hair - it's about changing the way you interact with people. Lift 4-5 days a week. Get off the fricking computer and hang out with people. Don't talk to women about stupid dogshit from the internet, conspiracies or moronic shit like that. You're always going to fixating on your appearance if you're in a self-pitying shithole like this place that hyper fixates on superficial shit.

I guarantee you a frickton of way uglier men still get dates, see women and are able to move on in their lives. The difference is that they're not on this shitty website or incel forums. They're working men who socialize in their off time - which btw, is not the same as hitting bars and acting like cartoon of a chad.

>Women are just are horny as you

Only if ur on finasteride or have low T.

>try your hardest
>fail
>die happy, thankful you were given the chance to try

The failures "build up endlessly" because you choose to dwell on and be miserable about them. You should be happy regardless of your status as being in a successful relationship or not, hell you should be happy BEFORE you even attempt one lest you bring someone else into your misery.

[...]
and before you go on seething. Do you think a deer sits and outlines/articulates it's thoughts when it makes a decision to retreat from a predator?

The answer is no. They are deep wired biological impulses that inform the conscious decision to run. Humans do the exact same thing but just with more complexity.

Humans are not deer. You are phrasing this like not intruding on an existing relationship is some sort of cope for avoiding a fight. You should feel bad about even wanting to intrude in the first place.

People actually act like this, whether you like it or not. Try googling how people act unconsciously in different research articles and studies before they form a single opinion about a subject. Also, these instincts are obviously evolved dumbass, its a long process to get here. Cope and project more, if you haven't even seen a single fight over a woman in your life

>People actually act like this, whether you like it or not
Yes, they unfortunately do, because for some reason they have some weird sort of desire to behave in the most selfish and ill spirited manner possible and then they attempt to justify it, as we are seeing here. You should never try to justify immoral behavior.

>seeing yourself as subhuman because you think you are ugly

Recognize the beauty of existence itself and how fortunate you are to experience it. The warmth of a single ray of sunshine is worth absolutely everything. You are looking at things through such a petty, materialistic and miserable point of view, you could have the entire world and not be happy.

if you're thinking like a woman, why would a woman be attracted to that?

You have spent quite literally all day in this thread going "woe is me, I'm ugly and I'll never get pussy" and then doing every conceivable mental gymnastic possible to justify, excuse, and cling to this position. Imagine instead that you used all that time to improve yourself and actually try to talk to women. It's frankly astounding how much time you wasted TRYING to be miserable instead of just doing something, anything, to change that.

You don't. Work around it.

>Humans are not deer.
Look at the brains on this guy, not comprehending the simplest allegory.
>they have some weird sort of desire to behave in the most selfish and ill spirited manner possible
Called "trying to stay alive and spread genes", son. They just happen to pick the strategy you don't like.
>You should never try to justify immoral behavior.
If you kill your enemies, they win.

alright buddy, good baiting got many replies

>women frick dangerous bad boys
okay, and? i'm not a dangerous criminal i'm an ugly shut in.

>all that matters is face and height anyways
That's not true. It's your overall "aura" and vibe. It's not hearing no from girls at a critical developmental period so women naturally are just part of your life and you can navigate them without conscious effort. The "Chad" at my highschool was this 5'9" Pilipino guy. He was a wienery smarmy piece of shit but he took the virginity of like 4 of the hottest girls there.

I'm speaking from experience. We know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two.

>ah yes so the skinnyfat ugly/nerdy incel can get mad pussy if he emits good vibes.
you can actually. didit myself during high school. used to get bullied at the start and was slaying mad pussy by the end. shits easy just dont act like a gay moron

>just dont act like a gay moron
Well that eliminates me

Women are SUPPOSED to be miserable, you fricking moron. Emotions for women are like smells for a dog.

Good or Bad they still wanna feel it. Beta traducks like you are so obsessed with happiness you never stop and look at reality.

>literally just a thread full of the few privileged men who get sex thrown at them by fricking hiking
what a joke jesus christ. you expect me to ever bother when every woman is this easy for chads?

you're just parroting the same shit i already said about lesser men having to make up in a million ways if they're not chads.

everyone is literally saying the girls want to have sex right after. the hiking is irrelevant and its the fact that you won the genetic lottery you fricking c**t.

Having basic hygiene isn't hard anon, you're responsible for your own life stop seething at imaginary "chads" stealing your gf

>being this empty headed and worry free as a privileged attractive man must be amazing
Why is it so hard to imagine just taking a walk through the woods and not giving a shit for a bit?

So tell me anon if you were to go on a hike with a girl what would you be thinking about during it, what reason would you say you internally went on that hike?

genetics, location, and luck are all that matters. you will very likely die a virgin if you're ugly and stuck in a dead end town.

>Eventually you start hitting consistently enough and find what works for you in terms of behavior and approach.
You also start understanding more about what you actually want in my experience.

he's young and projecting

says you

Don’t bother. He’s a blank statist. Leftists unironically think this autist would have banged the cheerleader by being nice to her and liking what she likes.

honestly i think you're too much of a brainlet to actually grasp my point.

Do you really think that altruism holds no purpose in terms of biological advantage? That displays of empathy dont have biological value and have reasons to be wired in to us humans, who are very social and hierarchical creatures?

Literally every decision in your life is dictated by biology. Nobody said that your biology dictates that you become a cold blooded sociopath. But you still are a slave to it whether you like it or not.

lame strawman argument.

Empathy is biologically advantageous. you also show less empathy for a turtle than you would a baby or other human due to biological wiring. It isnt your reddit tier enlightened thoughts doing this. Its your monkey brain just like anyone elses.

Being nice to people is instinct too, idiot.

Kindness and cruelty are both survival adaptations.

Mentally healthy people don't think like this at all, and I think you know that and are pretending to be some sort of sociopathic robot for the sake of arguing for some reason.

>Is some other man trying to woo this woman?
>I shouldn't intrude, I could ruin their relationship.

That's it. You don't look at someone and immediately start strategizing about how you can take what they have. If you DO, you are evil.

not that guy but the thoughts he is describing in his post wont even be conscious articulated thoughts. They are the underlying mechanisms that go on our brain that rationalize the exact thought process you outline. So the conscious thought you describe
>Is some other man trying to woo this woman?
>I shouldn't intrude, I could ruin their relationship.
is dictated by the biological instincts outlined here [...]

one informs the other.

and before you go on seething. Do you think a deer sits and outlines/articulates it's thoughts when it makes a decision to retreat from a predator?

The answer is no. They are deep wired biological impulses that inform the conscious decision to run. Humans do the exact same thing but just with more complexity.