Really sucks that scene was so lame too. Just seeing a little ass crack and what looks like cgi over a bra. She could have at least gone full nude like the other girls
This. I get he's supposed to be the weak chubby guy but goddamn he was an absolute b***h even for today's standars. The times I thought JESUS MAN THE FRICK UPPPP YOU GREW UP IN THE MEDIEVAL AGES SWING A SWORD DO SOMETHING Black person.
95% of us would be the exact same as him. Don't even pretend you would "man up" in subzero temps like it's the easiest thing in the world. Pretty cringe buddy
When he's first dumped off to the Wall, it makes sense if he were fat because he came from a noble house. But after the three years or whatever time fricking passes in this piece of shit, the stress, the hunger, the labour would've eaten up all that weight. Realistically his actor should've started working out to lose the weight.
This. I get he's supposed to be the weak chubby guy but goddamn he was an absolute b***h even for today's standars. The times I thought JESUS MAN THE FRICK UPPPP YOU GREW UP IN THE MEDIEVAL AGES SWING A SWORD DO SOMETHING Black person.
he's just as insufferable in the books too. brienne chapters almost got as bad, but at least hers have some redeeming qualities and some genuinely great moments. literally all of sam's chapters except for the single one where he kills the wight are fricking miserable to get through. I FRICKING GET IT george, for the love of god have the fricking kid do something other than whine.
not that the books are going to end, but I expected that at some point in the books, we learn that Sam ended up fricking jacked because of the work of being part of the Night's Watch, which included rations instead of eating what you wanted
I thought that we would have an unreliable narrator situation where he still thinks of himself as the soft loser but in reality he's become something of a hard c**t
Hmmm. I can see that. During the chapter with the Summer Islander ship heading to Oldtown there's some issue about paying for passage, the captain says "Black Sam can do the work of four" as a compliment and compromise on paying for four people. Note he doesn't call him "Fat Sam."
Also, that chapter gave us FAT PINK MAST and the scene occurred when all the black people were having an orgy. Sam fricks Gilly because he was autistically avoiding her for days and the captain said "frick Gilly or you go overboard."
BRAVO GEORGE
Poor Sam. Imagine being a committed incel for life, and then some autistic girl takes a liking to you and foreigners force you to have sex with her repeatedly against your will.
Based GRRM showing men can get raped too, and frick D&D for omitting that.
I can see that. I think that Arya is the most annoying one, but she started off as good and got ruined later on. As far as characters who started off as shit and stayed shit go, Sam takes the cake.
This, second ham Sam from LotR as the "loveable doofus support guy". I also hate the actor's face, he looks like a creepy pedophile. He has that sickly oily looking skin and sunk-in eyes.
You know, for once I wish a fricking fat actor would really have the dedication to his role to be able to lose the weight and turn into something else. Can you imagine what they could have done for the character and his arc? He starts out scared and fat, and by the end of the show, he's muscular and (somewhat) handsome. But most of all, fearless. He will have overcome his insecurities and other mental issues that drove him to eat.
I mean, shit: You're in the role of a lifetime, viewed by millions, here is your opportunity to transform not only the story in an epic way, but yourself.
Would have been awesome to see Sam turn into a chad. Only thing that brings it down is him shacking up with that ugly gilly and taking an incestbaby as his own
are you really blaming the actor for something that was the show runners fault? Do you actually believe its up to the actor to say "my character should be jacked because of head cannon so I'm going to alter my physical appearance"?
>breaks his vows by siring a bastard child with gilly >abandons his post as soon as hears the white walkers are close to the wall after hardhome because he's a coward >takes a massive detour from oldtown to return to hornhill for no reason >steals his dad's ancestral sword which he has no right to anymore >doesn't complete his maester training, somehow becomes grand maester anyway >doesn't go back to the wall >makes fun of ed for being a virgin >is a cuck
I hate this fat oath breaking piece of shit
It's insane how the universe bends over backwards so the fat bastard could have a happy end without having to grow or change in any way
Although maybe it's not too surprising considering he seems to be the self-insert of the REAL fat bastard
The funny thing is, at least in the books, if you pay attention he's correct when enumerating the Westeros noble houses which would support his return. Not to mention he was baited into getting killed.
Can someone explain to me why he was playing with his sister's breasts in the first episode? I quit watching this show at season 5 that's one of the only things I remember about it.
1. Arya for being DnDs obsession, one of them must have lusted over her for years or something and just made her the ultimate assassin to stroke off to
2. Sansa, supposedly the smartest person in the world. Immediately betrays Jon at the first opportunity for no gain. Doesn’t tell Jon about her plans to have the vale army bail him out. Doesn’t know how swords work. Thinks an independent north will recognize a woman as their ruler and will work for more than a generation
3. Dany. Thinks she can solve slavery quickly and easily. Falls in love with anyone that is attractive. Acts like a b***h to her closest Allies. Lets her close advisors frick up constantly without replacing them. Randomly goes crazy and kills everyone for no reason. Meets with Cersei while completely helpless and getting targeted by archers and ballistae
>thinks there's a quick and easy solution to everything in society she doesn't like >falls in love with anyone that's attractive and confident >acts like a b***h to her friends >insanely uneven accountability
Dany acts like what she is: a teenaged girl given power. She was a great but flawed character until D&Dogshit ran out of GRRM's homework to copy and turned her into dragon hitler
1. Arya for being DnDs obsession, one of them must have lusted over her for years or something and just made her the ultimate assassin to stroke off to
2. Sansa, supposedly the smartest person in the world. Immediately betrays Jon at the first opportunity for no gain. Doesn’t tell Jon about her plans to have the vale army bail him out. Doesn’t know how swords work. Thinks an independent north will recognize a woman as their ruler and will work for more than a generation
3. Dany. Thinks she can solve slavery quickly and easily. Falls in love with anyone that is attractive. Acts like a b***h to her closest Allies. Lets her close advisors frick up constantly without replacing them. Randomly goes crazy and kills everyone for no reason. Meets with Cersei while completely helpless and getting targeted by archers and ballistae
Not to mention that, in the novels at least, she IS supposed to be going insane. Her first order as Khaleesi is to burn someone alive, just like her daddy would want to.
What they screwed up was making her too sympathetic whilst removing the warning signs something's wrong with her (bursts of rage; prone to cruelty when she believes someone "deserves" it; equally arrogant as her brother in her belief she owns Westeros; promiscuity; fricking a literal child).
>What they screwed up was making her too sympathetic whilst removing the warning signs something's wrong with her
honestly GRRM did this too.
he failed to realize how his own POV system would make in-character decisions seem like reasonable ones, and how giving her a rapey childhood, FREE dragons and a whole prophecy scene would make her into a sympathetic in-universe fantasy messiah. plus in the books he can't stop describing her bathing, having sex, and eating.
he is probably unable to finish the books in part because he made her too protagonist-y from the outset and can't really fix the situation. there's a big difference between foreshadowing something and structuring the story so it will work as a narrative choice.
>What they screwed up was making her too sympathetic whilst removing the warning signs something's wrong with her
honestly GRRM did this too.
he failed to realize how his own POV system would make in-character decisions seem like reasonable ones, and how giving her a rapey childhood, FREE dragons and a whole prophecy scene would make her into a sympathetic in-universe fantasy messiah. plus in the books he can't stop describing her bathing, having sex, and eating.
he is probably unable to finish the books in part because he made her too protagonist-y from the outset and can't really fix the situation. there's a big difference between foreshadowing something and structuring the story so it will work as a narrative choice.
She isn't that sympathetic in the book she comes across as naive to the point of cringeworthiness. If anything she's brought down as a character (which other character has an extended scene of them defecating in the open)
not to the typical male Cinemaphileposter. she is however an extremely believable fantasy protagonist with a large number of appealing characteristics, whose mixture of naivety and savviness is in-character and exists in a story where a bunch of other characters make equally stupid decisions.
>What they screwed up was making her too sympathetic whilst removing the warning signs something's wrong with her
honestly GRRM did this too.
he failed to realize how his own POV system would make in-character decisions seem like reasonable ones, and how giving her a rapey childhood, FREE dragons and a whole prophecy scene would make her into a sympathetic in-universe fantasy messiah. plus in the books he can't stop describing her bathing, having sex, and eating.
he is probably unable to finish the books in part because he made her too protagonist-y from the outset and can't really fix the situation. there's a big difference between foreshadowing something and structuring the story so it will work as a narrative choice.
If anything, she actually comes across as too nice. If she slaughtered every slaver in Meereen and Yunkai like she did in Astapor, she wouldn't be having any issues in ADWD. If this is meant to foreshadow her being evil all along, it isn't working.
>Her first order as Khaleesi is to burn someone alive, just like her daddy would want to.
the first proper chapter of the series is a father taking his son to watch him chop a guy's head off, specifically to prepare him for doing the same when he grows up, while we the reader have been primed to see beheaded guy as having valuable information no one listens to.
but Eddard is a patriarchal ruler who is acting according to tradition so most people here are like "oooh yes daddy please this isn't naive or vindictive like if a WOMAN did it". most readers are no where near as self-aware as they give themselves credit for being.
Will was still deserting. He made the mistake of running away from the night's watch and going so far south. His information wasn't believed because he had run so far away and he'd be executed anyway even if he was believed and the whole seven kingdoms immediately formed a coalition army and headed beyond the wall as soon as physically possible.
I hard disagree. Her Slaver's Bay arc isn't about Dany losing her mind, it's about her trying to compromise and act responsible (negotiating with Yunkai, staying in Meereen, settling down with a boring dude, amnesty for the slavers, chaining up her dragons, etc) and having things turn to shit anyways. By the end of Dance she, like Jon, has basically decided that restraint and responsibility are for pussies; she's going to be sane for most or all of the horrific violence she inflicts.
>1. Arya for being DnDs obsession, one of them must have lusted over her for years or something and just made her the ultimate assassin to stroke off to
That would be D.B. Weiss
All the problems boil down to D.B.
He's the dead-eyed assburgers weirdo.
David is the connections makes stuff happen guy.
Arya. The showrunners were morons and thought that Arya should become more important because fans liked her. Instead of Jon Snow doing anything important, Arya kills the Night King in what is one of the most moronic scenes I've seen in television.
You posted her. It's a real shame, because she starts off as likable, but turns into Coldsteel by S5. Not even in a tragic, "look how trauma destroyed this child" sort of way. They just thought it was cool and went for it.
Is this shooped? It has to be. She looks like some melon-headed Oblivion character. Those two israelites really must have been hard as diamonds for Maisie, thinking they'd get some Heather O'Rourke action in on her butthole.
You just posted her >Quits death academy because it's too much >I'm such a cool death cultist guys >I want to go home >Fricks off west
I fricking hate Arya, what even was the point of her character
Arya Stark is unironically one of the best characters in the books, along with John Snow. Wanting to see them make it through is one of the things that kept me reading and waiting for fricking Winds of Winter. But in the TV show, at least after season 1, she went downhill fast.
Book Arya - daughterfu written by a tomboy appreciator
Show Arya - Mary Sue written by gay feminist idiots
It wasn't even due to the casting. It was the casting combined with the writers that murdered a great character.
That was potential Arya casting about a year before season 1 started shooting.
And she looks like book Arya, who thinks she's ugly but isn't. She just has a long, face and a nose she thinks is wrong and doesn't feel she looks like a princess is supposed to look; like Sansa does.
In other words, she actually looks like a Stark and not a Tully like her mum. Which is something repeated several times in the books. John Snow also looking like a Stark is one of the main reasons book Catelyn hates him so much.
>but muh granpappy tywin
D&D's banker israelite daddy issues really shined through from time to time.
I can appreciate humanizing Tywin, but it was at the expense of both his and Arya's intelligence. Kind of hard to take either one of them seriously after that. Just use Kevan for once, and have Tywin share his thoughts with him.
Arya was pretty bad for being a deus ex machina frickin mary sue but John Snow was the worst, he did nothing but be a frick up for the entire shows run, and still is the chosen one somehow at the end.
I really liked that he was resurrected, so he could
- get bailed out by Sansa
- get lectured by that Mormont toddler
- kingindanoth
- get bailed out by Dany
- ahdunwannit
- dick around during the Siege
- shesmahkwin
- shank Dany
- frick off back to the Noth
probably littlefinger
he's a joking snickering dude with no feudal power in itself but he manipulates those who wield that power
in the show it's just >nobody trusts littlefinger >littlefinger is a liar and a scoundrel
he already has a reputation for being a criminal and not trustworthy so why do people keep glossing over that all the time in the show
it's moronic
>probably littlefinger
Littlefinger is one of the characters that exposes the TV show writers for what they are. He's a smart, cunning bastard. And they prove that the saying "you can't write a character smarter than you are" is true. They fricked up his character's ending so badly once they ran out of book material.
>he already has a reputation for being a criminal and not trustworthy so why do people keep glossing over that all the time in the show
That's another deviation from the books, in the books most people trust him, or at least don't see him as any kind of threat, which is exactly why he's able to manipulate those around him, he's seen by other lords as just a bureaucrat with no real power as he comes from an unimportant family and has no military strength of his own
>probably littlefinger
Littlefinger is one of the characters that exposes the TV show writers for what they are. He's a smart, cunning bastard. And they prove that the saying "you can't write a character smarter than you are" is true. They fricked up his character's ending so badly once they ran out of book material.
Terrible writing. Why would he shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane?
>he already has a reputation for being a criminal and not trustworthy so why do people keep glossing over that all the time in the show
That's another deviation from the books, in the books most people trust him, or at least don't see him as any kind of threat, which is exactly why he's able to manipulate those around him, he's seen by other lords as just a bureaucrat with no real power as he comes from an unimportant family and has no military strength of his own
>that final scene of them tied up and Cersei delivering a deep kiss
that was already a little hot but became straightup arousing due to how much I hated these c**ts.
>character that wants no more bloodshed after Oberyn's death because it won't bring him back >change her to....murdering Oberyn's family because reasons?
I also this hopes in the books. Jaime becoming a knight in shining armor from out of legend, charging down a fire-breathing dragon and impaling it to save his men from burning.
Jaime, the truest knight in Westeros who felled a dragon.
even though they had quite a lot of screen time, screenwriters didn't bother to give them at least some solidness, the Sand Snakes' arc in the tv show is pure farce
Jessica Henwick having maybe...one, two lines maximum, and having zero character traits whatsoever, but going on to be the only Sand Snake with a notable career after the show is just funny
Cersie. It's like D&D read A feast for Crows and instead of concluding Cersie was a paranoid and narcissistic idiots, they took her pov as facts and concluded she was some 5d girl boss genius.
They killed off all the major players or never even included them in the first place and suddenly realized that they desperately needed a final boss for Dany to square off against.
Plus they just really liked the actress, so instead of sending her off in a palace coup or whatever the books have in store for her she had to stick around until the second-to-last episode
The top six actors (Jon, Dany, Cersei, Tyrion, Jaime) all negotiated their contracts jointly as well, so I think it would have been difficult for the show to kill her off before the final season
And unsurprisingly Sansa's arc in the books is actually satisfying. Unlike show Sansa she realises what fricking idiot she was and her change makes her more relatable and likeable.
Looking back it's amazing how lucky the Harry Potter movies were with regard to the kids growing up.
I mean sure Radcliffe is a bit short but none of the main cast were as fricking destroyed by puberty as the Stark kids were.
There was a pasta of a 'leaked' ending where grrm ended up playing samwell tarley (?) In the future... does anyone know what Im talking about.. would love to read that again
I don't know man. She's a literal prostitute irl, and her relationship with GRRM is obviously weird, but I tend to think that he's too much of a beta cuck to make a move. Also, judging by how he writers Dany and Sansa, she's way too old for him anyway.
I don't know man. She's a literal prostitute irl, and her relationship with GRRM is obviously weird, but I tend to think that he's too much of a beta cuck to make a move. Also, judging by how he writers Dany and Sansa, she's way too old for him anyway.
Wait a minute, what's this actress's relation with GRRM?
>be in charge of film/series production >seduce a prostitute by telling you make her an actress >frick her >let her play a prostitute side character
Unfathomably based.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Add >have her in show pimp call her a bad investment >unceremoniously kill her off by king incel
>current mood: horny
Holy shit gurm used to be based
Just think, only a decade ago it was ok as a straight cis male to say on social media that you have a sex drive, and now it would get you cancelled and unpersoned in a heartbeat.
Show Shae is infuriating because D&D didn't understand or care about what the point of her character was. Nothing she does in the show makes any sense at all because they couldn't have her be a prostitute that pretends for money.
They didn't want their Tyrion to come across as desperate and love starved. Anf they needed someone for Sansa to talk to. Whatever, they should have committed to it. Whiplashing her into her book role in one episode was just bizarre.
That's generally the theme with all the major frickups in the show. D&D make large changes to the story without planning ahead and considering the impact of that change later on. If you're gonna have Shae really love Tyrion you can't have her go frick Tywin and get strangled in his bed. It should be obvious to anyone. I don't think D&D cared about any part of the show other than getting to the Red Wedding for le epic memes.
Probably an unpopular opinion, but they fricked up the RW too. They didn't bother with any of the other RW casualties like Wendel, Smalljon, or Dacey. While Robb and Cat were at best shadows of their books selves, barely above side characters, and at worst straight up poorly adapted. There was nothing likable about show Robb before his death. And I don't think Cat had a proper scene in S3 before her final monologue.
They were all shit. Ned was the only good one but even he was too moronic to not have realized how big of a shitshow he was unfolding for himself by calling out cersei for her treason.
Book Catelyn is the normiest normie b***h to have ever normied or b***hed, I can't concieve anyone more annoying. Ned should have murdered her ass the minute she gave shit to Jon
>mommy issues gays making up fanfiction about cat again
Tyrion, Cat, Sansa, and Robert are probably the characters that make people shut off their brains the most. People unironically get triggered and start ranting about that one ugly incel who wouldn't leave them alone/their b***hy (step)mom/that stacy who bullied them in highschool/their alcoholic dad, instead of the characters they claim to be talking about.
>dad knows I like the Game of Thrones books and agrees about the ending of the series being bad >now trying to constantly bring up the spin-ofs and how we should watch them
I mean I really detest them, but I'm still probably gonna watch them with him just to spend time together.
>WOOOAAAHHHHHHHH!!! OH MY GOD DUDE!!! ARYA LE HECKIN SLAYED THE NIGHT KING!!!! WHAT A FRICKING TWIST!!!! YAHHHH SHES SO COOL!!! I LOVE GoT, I LOVE YOU DnD!!!!!
She literally ruined the show. Every time I hear a normie worship her I want to smack them. And her face looks like fetal alcohol syndrome. What the frick were they thinking
she alienates stannis by treating with renly first (something anyone could have predicted), then when renly gets merced she runs away with the main suspect alienating his camp to Robb.
Renly had crowned himself first and was closer. How was she to get to Stannis? The Lannisters held the ports in the eastern riverlands.
And fleeing was unfortunately the only thing to do. Renly's bannermen were losing their shit and even killing each other, she and her party could have been killed or taken hostage especially since they knew Stannis murdered Renly.
To be fair, Stannis was literally sitting on his hands this whole time and the only army he gathered is whatever he could find on a barren rock of an island. Renly seemed like a go-to guy. Big army, seems proactive. And he isn't any less legitimate than Stannis in her eyes, as the incest hasn't been revealed to her yet. There was also no way for her to just waltz out of a burning tent with a king's blood on her and negotiate with Tyrells/Stannis/whoever. Her being in the same room as Renly while he is being assassinated by a literal demon isn't her being a bad diplomat. It's comically bad luck.
She encouraged Ned to go be the hand of the king, because she wanted the glory and she wanted to be in Kings Landing. Ned didn't want to go.
She trusted Littlefinger.
She arrested Tyrion for something it was pretty clear he didn't do because she couldn't stand looking at him. Regardless of what the troony ITT who hasn't read the books thinks, she was a POV character and we know exactly what she was thinking.
She undermined Robb in front of his generals when he was winning.
She alienated his bannerman by releasing Jaimie and caused half of them to leave him.
She told Robb to marry some b***h Frey just so his army could cross a bridge.
After Robb was married to someone else she led them all into Frey's clutches anyway to get murdered, while being all huffy at Robb and thinking she was a genius.
After she was resurrected she murdered literal children to revenge things borne of her own moronation.
She really didn't make a single good decision the whole story.
We are talking about the source material. The books. She literally has to talk Ned into taking the job.
2 years ago
Anonymous
She doesn't (only) do it to social climb though. She is concerned that she and Ned now know that there is a plot to murder Robert, and that if they do nothing and Robert dies, or the plot is uncovered, they'll become complicit. It's a reasonable take to have. If anything, I find it more egregious that Ned was considering staying silent and letting Robert go back home unprotected and unaware. The man he grew up with, who risked his life countless times to avenge Ned's father and brother, and to save Ned's sister.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Maybe read the books then, because your claim is bullshit
2 years ago
Anonymous
You are moronic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You're an illiterate Black person. Make of that what you will.
Do you think D&D were as pissed at GRRM as fans are? They delayed one of the seasons a whole year to give that asshat time to release the book and he still didn't. They were still going to frick it up, but it could have made the quality of later seasons at least a little higher.
their "we stopped caring" excuse for the last season felt like they were seething at george but were contractually obligated not to talk shit about him
i feel like i need 20% more post in my post to make up for the additional captxha charaxter
The delay came at the completely wrong time anyway (S7 to S8). It was already totally unsalvagable by that point.
If they'd have put in a two year gap between S4 and S5 and actually got him to do something then it could have been a different story. Even between S6 and S7 might have worked.
>prophecies don't matter aside from an extremely vague sentence which says Arya may shut blue eyes, which means she'll destroy the greatest threat in the world
The big problem was Arya was they completely forgot her arc is supposed to be trauma and revenge turning her into a creepy child psychopath and the hope is that she can hold onto the kid she once was (in the books her keeping and hiding Needle and having warg dreams is a sign she can come back).
Instead they just decided her doing murder and revenge is super cool and gave her assassin powers where she's smug and beats all the bad guys? Completely moronic.
Yeah, they really went full force on girbossification after the rape. Still, I felt a pang of sympathy for her in S7 >sister a weirdo who wants to kill you and wear your skin for no reason >brother is a weirdo who fondly narrates about how pretty you looked while you were being raped as he's watching it happen from the weirwood network >adopted brother is a goober who likes to drop major decisions and information on you in public instead of in private >LF keeps smelling your hair >your sworn shield wants you to go to meet up with Cersei fricking Lannister for some reason >DA NORF keeps changing allegiance five times a day
>entire point of her character (and many others who also got fricked over completely) was that she would start off stupid and useless but grow into a capable tough character >remains stupid and useless due to shit writing
feels bad man
It's like they just turned her Luck stat up to max around S6.
She acts just as moronic as ever yet everyone around her seems to bend to her will and treat her like a genius for some reason.
>remains stupid and useless
Now-now, she was the one at the end who pitched in when they elected his brother turned autistic supercomputer as the king for the next 1,000 years or so then told everyone that "btw the North is independent, see ya b***hes".
It's very cool how both Sansa and Arya just bailed from situations that shouldn't have been possible. Especially Arya, who probably noticed a loophole in her employment contract where apparently it's a perfectly valid choice to just tell the faceless gigasecret assassin death cultists - who are usually absurdly autistic about the T&C - to frick off at any given time.
Sansa was one of the characters hit hardest when they ran out of book material. Season 1-4 Sansa is totally fine. She's supposed to be a scared little girl in over her head, and that's exactly what she is. Then, at the end of Season 4, they suggest that she's going to learn to be more of a player under the tutelege of Littlefinger. It's a totally reasonable arc for her to have, and probably what George is planning (if he has any plans at all).
Except they totally abandoned the Vale plotline, and they needed someone recognizable to play Jeyne Pool's role, so Sansa gets raped by Ramsay. Her whole "seizing the reins of her own destiny" arc is sent all the way back to square one. And then in Season 7, they just decide she's reached the end of her arc and now she's a master politician and strategist... except they never bothered to actually have Sansa learn anything to get there, and her politicking mostly boils down to being a total b***h to Dany and Jon.
they made everyone talk about how smart she is instead of you know making her do something smart. top that of with a bunch of #girlboss moments and an actor who cant act.
i think ygritte or however it's spelled. started rewatching recently and skipped EVERY scene she's in even though she is hot, always doing that 'teasing' voice and acting smug.
Despite Stephen Dillane's excellent performances D&Dogshit destroyed the second best character in the entire series with their shit writing.
Plenty of major characters became stupid caricatures of themselves after season 4 but Stannis was almost unique in having his character assassinated by Dumb&Dumber before he even showed up on screen.
>Despite Stephen Dillane's excellent performances D&Dogshit destroyed the second best character in the entire series with their shit writing.
It was rumored on set that he'd always be asking the Onion Knight actor (Liam Cunningham) about Stannis' motivation because Liam was a dyed in the wool bookgay and D&D just kept brushing his enquiries off with 'dont know lmao ok action'
reminds me of Ian McElhinney dead ass writing them an essay on why Barristan was important to the future of the Meereen plot when D&D decided to gank him for no reason and they laughed at him in public and never read it
then they got to that point in Meereen and it all fell apart. who could have seen that coming?
Another fun one: When Natalie Dormer expressed feeling uncomfortable with having steamy scenes with a 17 year old, they lied that in the books, her character fricks an 8 year old, and told her that they were actually sanitizing her character.
She probably fricked Renly. I don't care how much of a homosexual he is, he isn't an idiot. He knew he needed to tie down that alliance. But yeah, the whole femme fatale Margaery thing is purely D&D. Book Marge's thing is acting like a cool big sister to other kids like Tommen and Sansa and presenting as pure and pious in public while (probably) being a medieval Regina George in private. She's not sexualized at all.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Weren't they not even married? I don't think they got any chance to do anything
2 years ago
Anonymous
They were already married when Cat gets there. Not sure for how long, but certainly long enough to frick. Shit takes three minutes most of the time. r-right?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Presumably it takes way longer if you have to keeping closing your eyes and imagining your wife is actually your boyfriend.
I hated both Theon and Ramsey. Books and show version. Theon was *heh bet you didn't see that coming: the author's self-fellatio* and Ramsey was: *this isn't your grandpa's fantasy lol*.
Are you surprised? They had literally no story left for his character - and no wonder, since they cut out all the plot points from the books which actually are related to Tyrion.
>best characters in the book
Come on now... He's the most generic edgelord I've ever penned. Child molester + rapist + kills his own children + cuts off the tongues of his crew + cucks own brother.
He's a fricking joke in a universe where people act rationally, playing the game of alliances for the interests of their house.
>edgelord
That is how he comes across to many a reader. I get the impression that was not exactly what GRRM intended for though. It seems as if GRRM was trying to hard to get another Oberyn-esque character, the result was edgelord.
The thing is, other characters think of him as "Darkstar" so it's not only as a self-given nickname. So as [...] said, GRRM probably had a serious character in mind, with a solid reputation as a swordsman but then memes happened.
Plus, he probably didn't even slash Myrcella himself.
If GRRM intended him to be a serious character, why make him look and sound like an edgy anime villain?
And if Darkstar didn't slash Myrcella, who did?
Hotah might be lying and Arianne doesn't get to speak with any of her friends after the fact to confirm the perpetrator. She's told it was Darkstar and accepts it as fact.
Did Hotah or one of his men do it? If so, why? And why frame Darkstar?
...boy, if only we had another book released so we could know some more...
>If GRRM intended him to be a serious character, why make him look and sound like an edgy anime villain?
GRRM clearly always intended for Darkstar to be serious and with edge (though not edgy - edge may not even be the best term to use) but, he got carried / wasn't self-aware in what he was creating. It is like how there is a fine line between grimdark and grimderp.
The thing is, other characters think of him as "Darkstar" so it's not only as a self-given nickname. So as
>edgelord
That is how he comes across to many a reader. I get the impression that was not exactly what GRRM intended for though. It seems as if GRRM was trying to hard to get another Oberyn-esque character, the result was edgelord.
said, GRRM probably had a serious character in mind, with a solid reputation as a swordsman but then memes happened.
Plus, he probably didn't even slash Myrcella himself.
Hotah might be lying and Arianne doesn't get to speak with any of her friends after the fact to confirm the perpetrator. She's told it was Darkstar and accepts it as fact.
>edgelord
That is how he comes across to many a reader. I get the impression that was not exactly what GRRM intended for though. It seems as if GRRM was trying to hard to get another Oberyn-esque character, the result was edgelord.
The thing is, other characters think of him as "Darkstar" so it's not only as a self-given nickname. So as [...] said, GRRM probably had a serious character in mind, with a solid reputation as a swordsman but then memes happened.
Plus, he probably didn't even slash Myrcella himself.
Darkstar is very much like one of those tryhard cool and edgy comic book characters from the 1990s-2000s.
>books repeat ad nauseam that the traditional Stark features is long face + black hair + grey eyes >Arya is said to look the most like a Stark out of all the siblings, with a long face like her aunt Lyanna >accidentally cast an actress with the roundest pug face I've ever seen
>D&D forgot that Davos had 3 younger sons and a wife he loves >D&D forgot that Davos is the lord of the Rainwood >becomes Jon's and then Bran's lackey >doesn't avenge Shireen >never sees his family again
Frick D&D
>Knights of the Vale are supposed to be the strongest and most ideal knights in the continent >They just wear a helmet and breastplate
So fricking lazy
Worst in what way?
Like I hated Jeoffery and Viserys but you're supposed to do that
Poorly written? Literally every character after about season 5.
Ummm the waif was pretty useless, how do you get the jump on someone and decide to just stab several times in the gut instead of slitting a throat? She easily could've and saved us from Arya's character being ruined, I actually liked her character before she left westeros.
Arya should have totally disappeared after the Season 4 finale, reappeared exactly once to kill Walder Frey when the audience isn't expecting it, and then disappeared again forever. Or, alternatively, she should have died while getting her revenge on the Freys and then reappeared in the final battle as Nymeria.
Long and solemn face, brown hair, tired grey eyes, easily passes for a boy when she cross dresses. Some say she's pretty, but she doesn't believe them.
Not at all, in fact it's downright stated she's growing up to be pretty and similar to her aunt Lyanna, while Sansa and Robb look more like Tullys, like Catelyn.
ADWD is such an unsatisfying book. Only Theon's arc and Cersei's walk feel complete. Everything else is either a cliff hanger, or over abruptly without any sort of conclusion..
That ugly b***h.
OYSTERS CLAMS AN-
How much for YOUR little wiener?
and cuckholds (me)
You misspelled sexiest
I'm glad they gave her a sex scene. Shame they waited so long to do it though.
Really sucks that scene was so lame too. Just seeing a little ass crack and what looks like cgi over a bra. She could have at least gone full nude like the other girls
Peggy Hill
She did ruin everything
Kidnaps Tyrion to start the war.
Releases Jamie to lose the war.
This. I get he's supposed to be the weak chubby guy but goddamn he was an absolute b***h even for today's standars. The times I thought JESUS MAN THE FRICK UPPPP YOU GREW UP IN THE MEDIEVAL AGES SWING A SWORD DO SOMETHING Black person.
he ran for 12 hours straight in a blizzard then turned around and ganked an immortal ice zombie to death
you can't even run for 12 minutes straight
95% of us would be the exact same as him. Don't even pretend you would "man up" in subzero temps like it's the easiest thing in the world. Pretty cringe buddy
How would he remain fat even when the Night's Watch is low on food to begin with?
Don't you remember the episode where Ser Alliser questions him about the missing new brothers?
How did he stay so fat while they were litetally starving and burning turds to stay warm?
Some genetic or hormonal disorder probably.
Fat doesn't work like that
Neither do Targaryen genetics. This is fantasy. Clearly Gurm was going for something along that line to justify Sam not being able to lose weight.
T.
He is a secret bastard child of the ancient house of Lardass.
it does if you have hypothyroidism or whatever
his body just forgot about losing weight
When he's first dumped off to the Wall, it makes sense if he were fat because he came from a noble house. But after the three years or whatever time fricking passes in this piece of shit, the stress, the hunger, the labour would've eaten up all that weight. Realistically his actor should've started working out to lose the weight.
he's just as insufferable in the books too. brienne chapters almost got as bad, but at least hers have some redeeming qualities and some genuinely great moments. literally all of sam's chapters except for the single one where he kills the wight are fricking miserable to get through. I FRICKING GET IT george, for the love of god have the fricking kid do something other than whine.
Don't tell me you disliked the fat pink mast scene.
not that the books are going to end, but I expected that at some point in the books, we learn that Sam ended up fricking jacked because of the work of being part of the Night's Watch, which included rations instead of eating what you wanted
I thought that we would have an unreliable narrator situation where he still thinks of himself as the soft loser but in reality he's become something of a hard c**t
Hmmm. I can see that. During the chapter with the Summer Islander ship heading to Oldtown there's some issue about paying for passage, the captain says "Black Sam can do the work of four" as a compliment and compromise on paying for four people. Note he doesn't call him "Fat Sam."
Also, that chapter gave us FAT PINK MAST and the scene occurred when all the black people were having an orgy. Sam fricks Gilly because he was autistically avoiding her for days and the captain said "frick Gilly or you go overboard."
BRAVO GEORGE
Poor Sam. Imagine being a committed incel for life, and then some autistic girl takes a liking to you and foreigners force you to have sex with her repeatedly against your will.
Based GRRM showing men can get raped too, and frick D&D for omitting that.
I can see that. I think that Arya is the most annoying one, but she started off as good and got ruined later on. As far as characters who started off as shit and stayed shit go, Sam takes the cake.
>Sam takes the cake
And eats it too!
you beat me to it you brown FRICK
CARLOS
This, second ham Sam from LotR as the "loveable doofus support guy". I also hate the actor's face, he looks like a creepy pedophile. He has that sickly oily looking skin and sunk-in eyes.
Even so he belongs to the least disgusting bong phenotype
You know, for once I wish a fricking fat actor would really have the dedication to his role to be able to lose the weight and turn into something else. Can you imagine what they could have done for the character and his arc? He starts out scared and fat, and by the end of the show, he's muscular and (somewhat) handsome. But most of all, fearless. He will have overcome his insecurities and other mental issues that drove him to eat.
I mean, shit: You're in the role of a lifetime, viewed by millions, here is your opportunity to transform not only the story in an epic way, but yourself.
Would have been awesome to see Sam turn into a chad. Only thing that brings it down is him shacking up with that ugly gilly and taking an incestbaby as his own
are you really blaming the actor for something that was the show runners fault? Do you actually believe its up to the actor to say "my character should be jacked because of head cannon so I'm going to alter my physical appearance"?
if he lost weight we wouldn't have this anecdote
You know people are fat because they lack the discipline to eat healthy, right?
Reddit: The character
he was the worst part of that latest Emmerich movie, which is saying something
>Moderator of the fallout 4 subreddit
>breaks his vows by siring a bastard child with gilly
>abandons his post as soon as hears the white walkers are close to the wall after hardhome because he's a coward
>takes a massive detour from oldtown to return to hornhill for no reason
>steals his dad's ancestral sword which he has no right to anymore
>doesn't complete his maester training, somehow becomes grand maester anyway
>doesn't go back to the wall
>makes fun of ed for being a virgin
>is a cuck
I hate this fat oath breaking piece of shit
It's insane how the universe bends over backwards so the fat bastard could have a happy end without having to grow or change in any way
Although maybe it's not too surprising considering he seems to be the self-insert of the REAL fat bastard
Shit. Tough choice.
Would he have been a good king?
Better than Joffrey but he wouldn't have had a Tywin to keep him in line.
The funny thing is, at least in the books, if you pay attention he's correct when enumerating the Westeros noble houses which would support his return. Not to mention he was baited into getting killed.
Can someone explain to me why he was playing with his sister's breasts in the first episode? I quit watching this show at season 5 that's one of the only things I remember about it.
tldr their culture is fine with incest
Only for royalty.
Targs are almost all incest babies iirc
every brother plays with his sisters breasts at some point in their life, unless there's a huge age gap like 10 years or something
cos he's a creep
If GRRM wasn't a hack, he would have given him the kinoest redemption arc ever, much better than Jaime's
A shame they got such a good actor for a bit role
Sandsnakes. Arya had a good couple of seasons to her name in the beggining
Ramsey.
1. Arya for being DnDs obsession, one of them must have lusted over her for years or something and just made her the ultimate assassin to stroke off to
2. Sansa, supposedly the smartest person in the world. Immediately betrays Jon at the first opportunity for no gain. Doesn’t tell Jon about her plans to have the vale army bail him out. Doesn’t know how swords work. Thinks an independent north will recognize a woman as their ruler and will work for more than a generation
3. Dany. Thinks she can solve slavery quickly and easily. Falls in love with anyone that is attractive. Acts like a b***h to her closest Allies. Lets her close advisors frick up constantly without replacing them. Randomly goes crazy and kills everyone for no reason. Meets with Cersei while completely helpless and getting targeted by archers and ballistae
>thinks there's a quick and easy solution to everything in society she doesn't like
>falls in love with anyone that's attractive and confident
>acts like a b***h to her friends
>insanely uneven accountability
Dany acts like what she is: a teenaged girl given power. She was a great but flawed character until D&Dogshit ran out of GRRM's homework to copy and turned her into dragon hitler
Not to mention that, in the novels at least, she IS supposed to be going insane. Her first order as Khaleesi is to burn someone alive, just like her daddy would want to.
What they screwed up was making her too sympathetic whilst removing the warning signs something's wrong with her (bursts of rage; prone to cruelty when she believes someone "deserves" it; equally arrogant as her brother in her belief she owns Westeros; promiscuity; fricking a literal child).
>What they screwed up was making her too sympathetic whilst removing the warning signs something's wrong with her
honestly GRRM did this too.
he failed to realize how his own POV system would make in-character decisions seem like reasonable ones, and how giving her a rapey childhood, FREE dragons and a whole prophecy scene would make her into a sympathetic in-universe fantasy messiah. plus in the books he can't stop describing her bathing, having sex, and eating.
he is probably unable to finish the books in part because he made her too protagonist-y from the outset and can't really fix the situation. there's a big difference between foreshadowing something and structuring the story so it will work as a narrative choice.
Aw frick the fat bastard fricked us metaphysically this time
She isn't that sympathetic in the book she comes across as naive to the point of cringeworthiness. If anything she's brought down as a character (which other character has an extended scene of them defecating in the open)
>She isn't that sympathetic in the book
not to the typical male Cinemaphileposter. she is however an extremely believable fantasy protagonist with a large number of appealing characteristics, whose mixture of naivety and savviness is in-character and exists in a story where a bunch of other characters make equally stupid decisions.
If anything, she actually comes across as too nice. If she slaughtered every slaver in Meereen and Yunkai like she did in Astapor, she wouldn't be having any issues in ADWD. If this is meant to foreshadow her being evil all along, it isn't working.
>Her first order as Khaleesi is to burn someone alive, just like her daddy would want to.
the first proper chapter of the series is a father taking his son to watch him chop a guy's head off, specifically to prepare him for doing the same when he grows up, while we the reader have been primed to see beheaded guy as having valuable information no one listens to.
but Eddard is a patriarchal ruler who is acting according to tradition so most people here are like "oooh yes daddy please this isn't naive or vindictive like if a WOMAN did it". most readers are no where near as self-aware as they give themselves credit for being.
Will was still deserting. He made the mistake of running away from the night's watch and going so far south. His information wasn't believed because he had run so far away and he'd be executed anyway even if he was believed and the whole seven kingdoms immediately formed a coalition army and headed beyond the wall as soon as physically possible.
I hard disagree. Her Slaver's Bay arc isn't about Dany losing her mind, it's about her trying to compromise and act responsible (negotiating with Yunkai, staying in Meereen, settling down with a boring dude, amnesty for the slavers, chaining up her dragons, etc) and having things turn to shit anyways. By the end of Dance she, like Jon, has basically decided that restraint and responsibility are for pussies; she's going to be sane for most or all of the horrific violence she inflicts.
>1. Arya for being DnDs obsession, one of them must have lusted over her for years or something and just made her the ultimate assassin to stroke off to
That would be D.B. Weiss
All the problems boil down to D.B.
He's the dead-eyed assburgers weirdo.
David is the connections makes stuff happen guy.
Doesn’t know how swords work.
Explain yo self
Arya was good for the first four seasons.
All of them
The Hound was the only good character and I’m tired of pretending otherwise
Ramsay
arya, dany or jon
all butchered
Worst, as in a shitty person?
Toss up between Ramsey and Joffrey.
Worst, as in completely uninteresting?
Sansa.
Honestly, all three were made for each other.
frightfully ugly
never heard ofi t
Arya. The showrunners were morons and thought that Arya should become more important because fans liked her. Instead of Jon Snow doing anything important, Arya kills the Night King in what is one of the most moronic scenes I've seen in television.
Bran
You posted her. It's a real shame, because she starts off as likable, but turns into Coldsteel by S5. Not even in a tragic, "look how trauma destroyed this child" sort of way. They just thought it was cool and went for it.
Is this shooped? It has to be. She looks like some melon-headed Oblivion character. Those two israelites really must have been hard as diamonds for Maisie, thinking they'd get some Heather O'Rourke action in on her butthole.
No dude, it clearly isn't shooped at all, not in any way, it's impossible in fact for that to be shooped.
You just posted her
>Quits death academy because it's too much
>I'm such a cool death cultist guys
>I want to go home
>Fricks off west
I fricking hate Arya, what even was the point of her character
grrrrrl power. This was apparent in the second scene when she btfo cripple boy in archery
She has the best pair of legs i have ever seen on any woman ever.
I DUN WAN ET
i think maybe kitt has aspergers
ur ma qen
I saw da nigh keng
Arya Stark is unironically one of the best characters in the books, along with John Snow. Wanting to see them make it through is one of the things that kept me reading and waiting for fricking Winds of Winter. But in the TV show, at least after season 1, she went downhill fast.
Book Arya - daughterfu written by a tomboy appreciator
Show Arya - Mary Sue written by gay feminist idiots
It wasn't even due to the casting. It was the casting combined with the writers that murdered a great character.
because they didn't read the books
Uh what is this
That was potential Arya casting about a year before season 1 started shooting.
And she looks like book Arya, who thinks she's ugly but isn't. She just has a long, face and a nose she thinks is wrong and doesn't feel she looks like a princess is supposed to look; like Sansa does.
In other words, she actually looks like a Stark and not a Tully like her mum. Which is something repeated several times in the books. John Snow also looking like a Stark is one of the main reasons book Catelyn hates him so much.
I find that image a bit disturbing, reverse search doesn't give a source
Dude, tineye and google image search were purposely fricked years ago now. Why woud you even try.
qrd?
I do know Google images used to work well. I suspect, too well.
They crippled the crawlers about the same time facebook started acquiring other companies. So they don't even look at more than half the web now.
And then they nerfed the actual search results even harder to make finding uncompressed original images next to impossible.
Yandex is a good alternative to that
Good call, anon. Thanks.
Works for me.
https://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/04/magazine/04actors.html
how they fricked up her arc in season 2 made me drop it entirely there and then
>but muh granpappy tywin
D&D's banker israelite daddy issues really shined through from time to time.
I can appreciate humanizing Tywin, but it was at the expense of both his and Arya's intelligence. Kind of hard to take either one of them seriously after that. Just use Kevan for once, and have Tywin share his thoughts with him.
Arya was pretty bad for being a deus ex machina frickin mary sue but John Snow was the worst, he did nothing but be a frick up for the entire shows run, and still is the chosen one somehow at the end.
I really liked that he was resurrected, so he could
- get bailed out by Sansa
- get lectured by that Mormont toddler
- kingindanoth
- get bailed out by Dany
- ahdunwannit
- dick around during the Siege
- shesmahkwin
- shank Dany
- frick off back to the Noth
truly sigma grindset
probably littlefinger
he's a joking snickering dude with no feudal power in itself but he manipulates those who wield that power
in the show it's just
>nobody trusts littlefinger
>littlefinger is a liar and a scoundrel
he already has a reputation for being a criminal and not trustworthy so why do people keep glossing over that all the time in the show
it's moronic
>probably littlefinger
Littlefinger is one of the characters that exposes the TV show writers for what they are. He's a smart, cunning bastard. And they prove that the saying "you can't write a character smarter than you are" is true. They fricked up his character's ending so badly once they ran out of book material.
>Littlefinger is one of the characters
Whose idea was it to make him start talking like a moron?
SOHARENHALLISHOFZHETEYBOLASWELLISHABBOZE
>hurrr me little fingey
what the frick did he get out of the deal to give the real heir to Winterfell to the Boltons? Nothing
>what the frick did he get out of the deal
Chaosh.
Nothing, Dumb and Dumber are just too moronic.
Terrible writing. Why would he shoot a man before throwing him out of a plane?
The fire was rising
>he already has a reputation for being a criminal and not trustworthy so why do people keep glossing over that all the time in the show
That's another deviation from the books, in the books most people trust him, or at least don't see him as any kind of threat, which is exactly why he's able to manipulate those around him, he's seen by other lords as just a bureaucrat with no real power as he comes from an unimportant family and has no military strength of his own
Take your pick, but probably Ellaria. Full on moronic and irredeemable.
>that final scene of them tied up and Cersei delivering a deep kiss
that was already a little hot but became straightup arousing due to how much I hated these c**ts.
>character that wants no more bloodshed after Oberyn's death because it won't bring him back
>change her to....murdering Oberyn's family because reasons?
Why did Jamie suddenly stop caring about the innocent people of tbe kingdom.
He should have died charging at a dragon.
Would be one hell of an end for Jaime, I agree
Checked. To me Jaime surviving really was the final proof that any writing that made the show great in earlier seasons was completely gone.
Checked.
I also this hopes in the books. Jaime becoming a knight in shining armor from out of legend, charging down a fire-breathing dragon and impaling it to save his men from burning.
Jaime, the truest knight in Westeros who felled a dragon.
Jamie's a top-tier swordsman, but do the books ever tell if he has skill at jousting?
Good enough to be a tourney contender, but not an all-time great or anything
even though they had quite a lot of screen time, screenwriters didn't bother to give them at least some solidness, the Sand Snakes' arc in the tv show is pure farce
>solidness
>Snakes
I see what you did there.
did they even had names in the show?
Jessica Henwick having maybe...one, two lines maximum, and having zero character traits whatsoever, but going on to be the only Sand Snake with a notable career after the show is just funny
Cersie. It's like D&D read A feast for Crows and instead of concluding Cersie was a paranoid and narcissistic idiots, they took her pov as facts and concluded she was some 5d girl boss genius.
They killed off all the major players or never even included them in the first place and suddenly realized that they desperately needed a final boss for Dany to square off against.
Plus they just really liked the actress, so instead of sending her off in a palace coup or whatever the books have in store for her she had to stick around until the second-to-last episode
The top six actors (Jon, Dany, Cersei, Tyrion, Jaime) all negotiated their contracts jointly as well, so I think it would have been difficult for the show to kill her off before the final season
>it's a Cersei smirks and drinks wine episode
All those idiots who pretended that was high art television, jesus christ.
>only one that hasn't been naked
Sansa
>born a rich, naive princess
>get used as a pawn and abused
>suddenly turn into strong womyn leader archetype without ever earning anything.
It's kinda funny how her and Theons story are pretty similar yet the outcome is completely different just because the writers said so.
And unsurprisingly Sansa's arc in the books is actually satisfying. Unlike show Sansa she realises what fricking idiot she was and her change makes her more relatable and likeable.
They really were unlucky with Arya and Bran, they were cute kids but totally bongged out beyond repair
I feel most of the cast didnt age well in relation to the character
Looking back it's amazing how lucky the Harry Potter movies were with regard to the kids growing up.
I mean sure Radcliffe is a bit short but none of the main cast were as fricking destroyed by puberty as the Stark kids were.
Arya was always weird looking.
There was a pasta of a 'leaked' ending where grrm ended up playing samwell tarley (?) In the future... does anyone know what Im talking about.. would love to read that again
yeah it's unfortunate. she became a real moron.
I don't think Lord Varys likes fish pie.
She definitely banged grrm
I don't know man. She's a literal prostitute irl, and her relationship with GRRM is obviously weird, but I tend to think that he's too much of a beta cuck to make a move. Also, judging by how he writers Dany and Sansa, she's way too old for him anyway.
Wait a minute, what's this actress's relation with GRRM?
She's a porn actress and he helped cast her as Shae
>current mood: horny
Holy shit gurm used to be based
What a bawd
Did the chick playing Ros blow someone in exchange for getting a show only role as a another prostitute?
>be in charge of film/series production
>seduce a prostitute by telling you make her an actress
>frick her
>let her play a prostitute side character
Unfathomably based.
Add
>have her in show pimp call her a bad investment
>unceremoniously kill her off by king incel
Just think, only a decade ago it was ok as a straight cis male to say on social media that you have a sex drive, and now it would get you cancelled and unpersoned in a heartbeat.
The fundies and radicals have won.
Show Shae is infuriating because D&D didn't understand or care about what the point of her character was. Nothing she does in the show makes any sense at all because they couldn't have her be a prostitute that pretends for money.
They didn't want their Tyrion to come across as desperate and love starved. Anf they needed someone for Sansa to talk to. Whatever, they should have committed to it. Whiplashing her into her book role in one episode was just bizarre.
That's generally the theme with all the major frickups in the show. D&D make large changes to the story without planning ahead and considering the impact of that change later on. If you're gonna have Shae really love Tyrion you can't have her go frick Tywin and get strangled in his bed. It should be obvious to anyone. I don't think D&D cared about any part of the show other than getting to the Red Wedding for le epic memes.
Probably an unpopular opinion, but they fricked up the RW too. They didn't bother with any of the other RW casualties like Wendel, Smalljon, or Dacey. While Robb and Cat were at best shadows of their books selves, barely above side characters, and at worst straight up poorly adapted. There was nothing likable about show Robb before his death. And I don't think Cat had a proper scene in S3 before her final monologue.
>And I don't think Cat had a proper scene in S3 before her final monologue.
The one about wanting to wish death on Jon maybe
christ, she might not be the worst character in the show, but she is by far the most fricking annoying
They were all shit. Ned was the only good one but even he was too moronic to not have realized how big of a shitshow he was unfolding for himself by calling out cersei for her treason.
And said shitstorm would have been more manageable if Catelyn fricking Girlboss didn’t arrest Tyrion for no fricking reason
>for no fricking reason
She literally hated Tyrion because he was ugly. That's it.
Book Catelyn was as much of a c**t as Cersei, and without even half her motivation.
Exactly what I’m sayin bro we good
Book Catelyn is the normiest normie b***h to have ever normied or b***hed, I can't concieve anyone more annoying. Ned should have murdered her ass the minute she gave shit to Jon
>mommy issues gays making up fanfiction about cat again
Tyrion, Cat, Sansa, and Robert are probably the characters that make people shut off their brains the most. People unironically get triggered and start ranting about that one ugly incel who wouldn't leave them alone/their b***hy (step)mom/that stacy who bullied them in highschool/their alcoholic dad, instead of the characters they claim to be talking about.
add stannis and dany to the pile
>emotionally distant dad with a rigid attitude
>same exact stacy, except in college, and with a political pet issue
It’s going to be okay anon
You illiterate frickwit.
Hopes for House of the Dragon?
I mean I guess I'll watch it.
Definitely have more hopes for Avatar 2 though.
I'm hoping it flops. I want to see GURM cope and seethe when it gets cancelled.
I hope it does even worse than GoT ending, is that even possible? lets hope so
She's cute at least. Nudity?
She will get blacked.
She'll actually cuck the black twink with a white dude
>dad knows I like the Game of Thrones books and agrees about the ending of the series being bad
>now trying to constantly bring up the spin-ofs and how we should watch them
I mean I really detest them, but I'm still probably gonna watch them with him just to spend time together.
I hope it flops just so Kit Harrington's fanfiction show gets cancelled. Frick that homosexual, and frick gurm for signing off on his shit idea.
either complete shit or complete kino
Aegon & Aemond vs Rhaenys will be cool. Then I'll shut off the show.
>WOOOAAAHHHHHHHH!!! OH MY GOD DUDE!!! ARYA LE HECKIN SLAYED THE NIGHT KING!!!! WHAT A FRICKING TWIST!!!! YAHHHH SHES SO COOL!!! I LOVE GoT, I LOVE YOU DnD!!!!!
She literally ruined the show. Every time I hear a normie worship her I want to smack them. And her face looks like fetal alcohol syndrome. What the frick were they thinking
Cat stark for starting the war that got everyone killed. b***h was dumb as a bag of bricks
Did she really start it? It seems like there were a bunch of factors pushing towards it already like Jamie Lannister attempting to murder her son.
arresting tyrion was an emotional decision. Most people would have done the same. She thought he tried to kill her son.
She made it a thousand times worse though by being a shit diplomat, not treating king robb like a man and releasing jaime.
How was she a shit diplomat? With Walder Frey or someone else?
she alienates stannis by treating with renly first (something anyone could have predicted), then when renly gets merced she runs away with the main suspect alienating his camp to Robb.
Renly had crowned himself first and was closer. How was she to get to Stannis? The Lannisters held the ports in the eastern riverlands.
And fleeing was unfortunately the only thing to do. Renly's bannermen were losing their shit and even killing each other, she and her party could have been killed or taken hostage especially since they knew Stannis murdered Renly.
To be fair, Stannis was literally sitting on his hands this whole time and the only army he gathered is whatever he could find on a barren rock of an island. Renly seemed like a go-to guy. Big army, seems proactive. And he isn't any less legitimate than Stannis in her eyes, as the incest hasn't been revealed to her yet. There was also no way for her to just waltz out of a burning tent with a king's blood on her and negotiate with Tyrells/Stannis/whoever. Her being in the same room as Renly while he is being assassinated by a literal demon isn't her being a bad diplomat. It's comically bad luck.
Everything she did.
She encouraged Ned to go be the hand of the king, because she wanted the glory and she wanted to be in Kings Landing. Ned didn't want to go.
She trusted Littlefinger.
She arrested Tyrion for something it was pretty clear he didn't do because she couldn't stand looking at him. Regardless of what the troony ITT who hasn't read the books thinks, she was a POV character and we know exactly what she was thinking.
She undermined Robb in front of his generals when he was winning.
She alienated his bannerman by releasing Jaimie and caused half of them to leave him.
She told Robb to marry some b***h Frey just so his army could cross a bridge.
After Robb was married to someone else she led them all into Frey's clutches anyway to get murdered, while being all huffy at Robb and thinking she was a genius.
After she was resurrected she murdered literal children to revenge things borne of her own moronation.
She really didn't make a single good decision the whole story.
>because she wanted the glory and she wanted to be in Kings Landing
stopped reading there, you're either an idiot or a troll
We are talking about the source material. The books. She literally has to talk Ned into taking the job.
She doesn't (only) do it to social climb though. She is concerned that she and Ned now know that there is a plot to murder Robert, and that if they do nothing and Robert dies, or the plot is uncovered, they'll become complicit. It's a reasonable take to have. If anything, I find it more egregious that Ned was considering staying silent and letting Robert go back home unprotected and unaware. The man he grew up with, who risked his life countless times to avenge Ned's father and brother, and to save Ned's sister.
Maybe read the books then, because your claim is bullshit
You are moronic.
You're an illiterate Black person. Make of that what you will.
Stannis! Stannis! STANNIS!
10/10 in bongland
Do you think D&D were as pissed at GRRM as fans are? They delayed one of the seasons a whole year to give that asshat time to release the book and he still didn't. They were still going to frick it up, but it could have made the quality of later seasons at least a little higher.
their "we stopped caring" excuse for the last season felt like they were seething at george but were contractually obligated not to talk shit about him
i feel like i need 20% more post in my post to make up for the additional captxha charaxter
The delay came at the completely wrong time anyway (S7 to S8). It was already totally unsalvagable by that point.
If they'd have put in a two year gap between S4 and S5 and actually got him to do something then it could have been a different story. Even between S6 and S7 might have worked.
To be fair, they also spent all of Season 6 totally spinning their wheels and retreading old plotlines to buy time
>prophecies don't matter aside from an extremely vague sentence which says Arya may shut blue eyes, which means she'll destroy the greatest threat in the world
I like how they changed around the order of colors to make blue sound more significant than it originally was.
It's "le girl power" character. Arya is one the very reasons this show started to tank.
Ramsay by far
The big problem was Arya was they completely forgot her arc is supposed to be trauma and revenge turning her into a creepy child psychopath and the hope is that she can hold onto the kid she once was (in the books her keeping and hiding Needle and having warg dreams is a sign she can come back).
Instead they just decided her doing murder and revenge is super cool and gave her assassin powers where she's smug and beats all the bad guys? Completely moronic.
with Arya*
She might not be THE worst but goddamn do we spend a lot of time over 8 seasons on her not growing or changing or learning or accomplishing anything
Yeah, they really went full force on girbossification after the rape. Still, I felt a pang of sympathy for her in S7
>sister a weirdo who wants to kill you and wear your skin for no reason
>brother is a weirdo who fondly narrates about how pretty you looked while you were being raped as he's watching it happen from the weirwood network
>adopted brother is a goober who likes to drop major decisions and information on you in public instead of in private
>LF keeps smelling your hair
>your sworn shield wants you to go to meet up with Cersei fricking Lannister for some reason
>DA NORF keeps changing allegiance five times a day
>entire point of her character (and many others who also got fricked over completely) was that she would start off stupid and useless but grow into a capable tough character
>remains stupid and useless due to shit writing
feels bad man
It's like they just turned her Luck stat up to max around S6.
She acts just as moronic as ever yet everyone around her seems to bend to her will and treat her like a genius for some reason.
>remains stupid and useless
Now-now, she was the one at the end who pitched in when they elected his brother turned autistic supercomputer as the king for the next 1,000 years or so then told everyone that "btw the North is independent, see ya b***hes".
It's very cool how both Sansa and Arya just bailed from situations that shouldn't have been possible. Especially Arya, who probably noticed a loophole in her employment contract where apparently it's a perfectly valid choice to just tell the faceless gigasecret assassin death cultists - who are usually absurdly autistic about the T&C - to frick off at any given time.
Hilarious how they completely ditched her book story after S4
Sansa was one of the characters hit hardest when they ran out of book material. Season 1-4 Sansa is totally fine. She's supposed to be a scared little girl in over her head, and that's exactly what she is. Then, at the end of Season 4, they suggest that she's going to learn to be more of a player under the tutelege of Littlefinger. It's a totally reasonable arc for her to have, and probably what George is planning (if he has any plans at all).
Except they totally abandoned the Vale plotline, and they needed someone recognizable to play Jeyne Pool's role, so Sansa gets raped by Ramsay. Her whole "seizing the reins of her own destiny" arc is sent all the way back to square one. And then in Season 7, they just decide she's reached the end of her arc and now she's a master politician and strategist... except they never bothered to actually have Sansa learn anything to get there, and her politicking mostly boils down to being a total b***h to Dany and Jon.
they made everyone talk about how smart she is instead of you know making her do something smart. top that of with a bunch of #girlboss moments and an actor who cant act.
>i'm acting
i think ygritte or however it's spelled. started rewatching recently and skipped EVERY scene she's in even though she is hot, always doing that 'teasing' voice and acting smug.
Rickon
I mean Dickon
>spastic applause and laughter
the dragons
I love Maisie Williams so much bros. I would do anything for her.
Despite Stephen Dillane's excellent performances D&Dogshit destroyed the second best character in the entire series with their shit writing.
Plenty of major characters became stupid caricatures of themselves after season 4 but Stannis was almost unique in having his character assassinated by Dumb&Dumber before he even showed up on screen.
>Despite Stephen Dillane's excellent performances D&Dogshit destroyed the second best character in the entire series with their shit writing.
It was rumored on set that he'd always be asking the Onion Knight actor (Liam Cunningham) about Stannis' motivation because Liam was a dyed in the wool bookgay and D&D just kept brushing his enquiries off with 'dont know lmao ok action'
He's said pretty openly he felt lost on the show like they never gave him a very firm idea of what his character was supposed to be
reminds me of Ian McElhinney dead ass writing them an essay on why Barristan was important to the future of the Meereen plot when D&D decided to gank him for no reason and they laughed at him in public and never read it
then they got to that point in Meereen and it all fell apart. who could have seen that coming?
Another fun one: When Natalie Dormer expressed feeling uncomfortable with having steamy scenes with a 17 year old, they lied that in the books, her character fricks an 8 year old, and told her that they were actually sanitizing her character.
the extra ridiculous part being her character doesn't frick ANYONE in the book never mind a kid
She probably fricked Renly. I don't care how much of a homosexual he is, he isn't an idiot. He knew he needed to tie down that alliance. But yeah, the whole femme fatale Margaery thing is purely D&D. Book Marge's thing is acting like a cool big sister to other kids like Tommen and Sansa and presenting as pure and pious in public while (probably) being a medieval Regina George in private. She's not sexualized at all.
Weren't they not even married? I don't think they got any chance to do anything
They were already married when Cat gets there. Not sure for how long, but certainly long enough to frick. Shit takes three minutes most of the time. r-right?
Presumably it takes way longer if you have to keeping closing your eyes and imagining your wife is actually your boyfriend.
Still he nailed it imo. Completely embodied Stannis' mannerisms, even if he looked way more handsome than the book version.
I hated both Theon and Ramsey. Books and show version. Theon was *heh bet you didn't see that coming: the author's self-fellatio* and Ramsey was: *this isn't your grandpa's fantasy lol*.
This little homosexual is the definition of I'M ACTING up until like season 5 where he stops caring altogether.
Are you surprised? They had literally no story left for his character - and no wonder, since they cut out all the plot points from the books which actually are related to Tyrion.
>Who was the worst character on GoT?
Brandon Stark
One of the best characters in the books, reduced to comic relief.
>best characters in the book
Come on now... He's the most generic edgelord I've ever penned. Child molester + rapist + kills his own children + cuts off the tongues of his crew + cucks own brother.
He's a fricking joke in a universe where people act rationally, playing the game of alliances for the interests of their house.
Isn't Darkstar supposed to be the generic edgelord character in the books?
>edgelord
That is how he comes across to many a reader. I get the impression that was not exactly what GRRM intended for though. It seems as if GRRM was trying to hard to get another Oberyn-esque character, the result was edgelord.
If GRRM intended him to be a serious character, why make him look and sound like an edgy anime villain?
And if Darkstar didn't slash Myrcella, who did?
Did Hotah or one of his men do it? If so, why? And why frame Darkstar?
...boy, if only we had another book released so we could know some more...
>Did Hotah or one of his men do it? If so, why? And why frame Darkstar?
See Preston's theory for this:
Starts at 13:00
I don't even remember who Drey is.
>If GRRM intended him to be a serious character, why make him look and sound like an edgy anime villain?
GRRM clearly always intended for Darkstar to be serious and with edge (though not edgy - edge may not even be the best term to use) but, he got carried / wasn't self-aware in what he was creating. It is like how there is a fine line between grimdark and grimderp.
>GRRMdark
>GRRMderp
The thing is, other characters think of him as "Darkstar" so it's not only as a self-given nickname. So as
said, GRRM probably had a serious character in mind, with a solid reputation as a swordsman but then memes happened.
Plus, he probably didn't even slash Myrcella himself.
>he probably didn't even slash Myrcella himself.
there were a bunch of witnesses though. doesn't areo hotah say that he saw it happen?
Hotah might be lying and Arianne doesn't get to speak with any of her friends after the fact to confirm the perpetrator. She's told it was Darkstar and accepts it as fact.
Darkstar is very much like one of those tryhard cool and edgy comic book characters from the 1990s-2000s.
Before the end of season 4? Shae.
After season 4? Everyone except Roose and Ramsay.
>books describe arya as ugly
bet they didnt see this coming huh
you posted her
>Tyrion's actor gets $1 million per episode
>Tells fans to stop b***hing about how the show ended
lmao
that shitty pirate that tried to frick cersei. couldn't act for his life
Ned Stark was legitimately moronic, the man fricked up everything by not taking his time and working more carefully.
the political system in the south is a lot different from the north, he was out of his element
And he lacked the IQ to adapt, he ruined everything.
>books repeat ad nauseam that the traditional Stark features is long face + black hair + grey eyes
>Arya is said to look the most like a Stark out of all the siblings, with a long face like her aunt Lyanna
>accidentally cast an actress with the roundest pug face I've ever seen
Seven Hells... what are they feeding this wildling girl?
But seriously, did the actress think she could get fat because all her scenes were with fatso Sam anyways?
she played the eating disorder girl on Skins, guessing it was true to life. those ana girls always blow up when they start eating again
she looks exactly like my hot cousin once she gained weight
>D&D forgot that Davos had 3 younger sons and a wife he loves
>D&D forgot that Davos is the lord of the Rainwood
>becomes Jon's and then Bran's lackey
>doesn't avenge Shireen
>never sees his family again
Frick D&D
what is he gonna do when he goes to skagos bros?
die, probably
Ride a unicorn (rhinoceros)
The Starks who died at the Red Wedding + Ned
You don't know enough about the show to bait.
BRAN?
Or perhaps he's wondering who would stab a man, before throwing him overboard.
ARTHUR DAYNE?
Aye
Tell me about Dayne, why does he wield the sword?
>Knights of the Vale are supposed to be the strongest and most ideal knights in the continent
>They just wear a helmet and breastplate
So fricking lazy
He is not a big guy.
EVEN QUASIMODO IS A troony NOW?
No I think she's just ugly
Esmeralda cucked him with the captain and he got recruited by trannies into their body modification cult. Maisie williams is "her" name now.
Why didn't they adapt the humiliating Daenerys diarrhea scene? And why was her actor not a 13yo teenager like the character in the book?
or when her equally young handmaidens go down on her
It wouldn't be acceptable for the modern savage to wait for consent because it would reveal the truth that hebes are horny af.
Different scenes
Myrcella for not getting her breasts out before she croaked.
Worst in what way?
Like I hated Jeoffery and Viserys but you're supposed to do that
Poorly written? Literally every character after about season 5.
Ummm the waif was pretty useless, how do you get the jump on someone and decide to just stab several times in the gut instead of slitting a throat? She easily could've and saved us from Arya's character being ruined, I actually liked her character before she left westeros.
Most detrimental character to the quality of the show
Arya should have totally disappeared after the Season 4 finale, reappeared exactly once to kill Walder Frey when the audience isn't expecting it, and then disappeared again forever. Or, alternatively, she should have died while getting her revenge on the Freys and then reappeared in the final battle as Nymeria.
Liked the actress tbh. I think she couldn't pull off that role though, but it was a ridiculous role so eh.
Was the book character ever described as an ugly Quasimodo lookalike?
Plain-looking tomboy with angular features that could be pretty in the right light
Book Tyrion is especially ugly, with people finding Tyrion ugly beyond him just being a dwarf.
Long and solemn face, brown hair, tired grey eyes, easily passes for a boy when she cross dresses. Some say she's pretty, but she doesn't believe them.
Not at all, in fact it's downright stated she's growing up to be pretty and similar to her aunt Lyanna, while Sansa and Robb look more like Tullys, like Catelyn.
"The more she drank, the more she shat; and the more she shat, the thirstier she grew"
Masterful writing.
>OH NO HE SAID SHAT!!!
So why did Dany keep drinking if she would shit as a result?
She was thirsty.
But she shat. Are you telling me a lewd ass hebe 13yo girl has no dignity or pride? Shitting is pathetic.
I don't think I'm equipped to deal with your vocabulary
Dysentery will do that to you.
Is this real?
because otherwise she would die of dehydration.
Why do you just post this sentence over and over?
ADWD is such an unsatisfying book. Only Theon's arc and Cersei's walk feel complete. Everything else is either a cliff hanger, or over abruptly without any sort of conclusion..
Doesn’t Dance have the Stannis and Bolton chapters? I enjoyed those.
Literally who