damian is being phased out, he wil periodically reappear to uncomfortably remind us that batman is old and perhaps to be killed (again) in a multi-part event.
We're getting a Super-Sons animated movie so I doubt that. I think that whole series of comic books saved Damian from fading away though. He had a good start with Dickbats imo but it wasn't until Rebirth that he came into his own. Tim being LGBT also made him more relevant whether you like that decision or not and now he's getting a new solo.
Jason I'm not as sure about. Red Hood's always been popular like Nightwing though so I guess he didn't the need to be rejuvenated like Tim and Damian. His second Outlaws team was cool but that's never gone mainstream, maybe we'll get a game or movie with Jason, Bizarro and Artemis and that'll do it.
damian is being phased out, he wil periodically reappear to uncomfortably remind us that batman is old and perhaps to be killed (again) in a multi-part event.
Tim is making a comeback
Damian will probably be DLC
The obvious reason is because Tim was the Robin of the previous games.
That game was in production waaaaaaaay before DC decided to make Tim gay. I wouldn't count on much synergy, because this game was supposed to synergize with the pre-IF Batfamily, and then DC trolled everyone and made Infinite Frontier.
You know video games and DLC. With the size of the Batfamily these days we're getting some DLC bonus characters. Definitely Spoiler and Damian, possibly Cassandra
Cass already is an the game. As a costume for Babs.
Do you even realize how taxing and expensive it is for a dev to add a completely new character into a game, with a new story, voice acting, skillset and mechanics? If there will be any new characters added, they will be handled similarly to how they were handled in an Arkham games - an additional mute character for challenge maps, that's all. Or as a reskin, where you can play as Babs in Cass' gear.
Well, you need to hire a voice actor, rework the script to shoehorn an additional character in there, then tell the animation crew to rework all cutscenes, then create a new character from the ground up with a new moveset, mocap and animate all this shit... it's an insane amount of work.
For you.
I am just happy Babs finally got a game for herself.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm happy you got what you want, but like other people I know we'll all be skipping the game due to the limited cast choices.
If the game sells poorly it's the studios fault in the end.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So, all the five people who like Cassandra Cain, won't play this game out of spite.
Ok. I am sure WB is crying themselves to sleep now.
Dude, most people are just happy they can play as someone other than Batman.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>five people
Now you're just being a homosexual
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm not. Outside of the most hardcore of the hardcore oldschool comicbook nerds, Cassandra Cain isn't actually that popular. Most normies and even people who got into comics in last 10 years only care about Barbara Gordon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>care about Barbara Gordon.
anon no one cares about Barbara Gordon
2 years ago
Anonymous
I care about Barbara Gordon.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Does she still have a trans roommate?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Anon, anyone with taste knows Steph is the superior Batgirl. Babs is trash tier.
2 years ago
Anonymous
She is but has the least amount of people who care about her. The Kinks of the Beatles vs Rolling Stones that is Babs/Cass
2 years ago
Anonymous
Also, despite the positive buzz, Steph's solo run was selling pathetically. She's the worst-selling Batgirl by a large margin. Babsgirl at her worst wasn't selling as bad as Steph at her best.
>DLC
At best, they'll have Bruce ready since he's just upgraded batgirl. For the rest you need the game to be financially succesfull first. Otherwise producers will pull the plug out, regardless of the devs supposed plans.
It doesn't. The developers say they created everything from scratch.
>The developers say they created everything from scratch.
Not saying it ain't possible but the gameplay is obviously lifted from AK. Simply tweaked with a few RPG and lootbox mechanics. Beside, if true then it's stupid as frick given they went with the same DA for Gotham. Could literally have saved time to work on those junky animations or improve a gameplay that was all the rage 7 years ago.
This is probably the only DC property at the moment that I am even remotely hyped for. That's just sad, come to think of it.
I've waited years for some kind of Arkhamverse continuation and this is the closest thing to it so I'm in, but the gameplay, character designs and the story which we don't know all that much about beyond the Court of Owls stuff has made me skeptical. Beyond this though there aren't many AAA western games I'm interested in, Hogwarts Legacy is like the only other one.
I know Suicide Squad is officially Arkhamverse but it looks like it's for a different audience tbh. Again it could be good, gameplay might be better than Gotham Knights at least, but I don't really care about the Suicide Squad, at least not this iteration. James Gunn's team is the only lineup I've actually liked, they should've just gone full synergy and use those guys instead of with more Ayer team members.
Nah, I'm fine with powers. Doesn't bother me at all. By this time in a fully-embraced DC universe, Batman's kids WOULD have access to some of that shit. What bothers me is the implications behind 'rarity' and 'crafting' of 'gear.' That's the shit I don't want in my Arkhamverse game. It could be good, sure. It probably won't be out and out terrible. But it's worrisome. And it's guaranteed to be mediocre and buggy day one.
This game looks worse than Arkham Knight which was on PS4.
Man, remember when DmC: Devil May Cry flopped so hard that Capcom gave up and went back to the original series, and so we got DMC 5?
Crazy how sometimes things can self-correct with just the right pressure...
I kinda wish they'd make Jason look more like Dick, but I guess they want players to be able to know who is who, so they all have different body shapes. Kinda like the new TMNT.
Tim and Babs look like they have nice styles and tolerable design options. Shame they ruined Dick and Jason irrevocably.
The eventual DLC characters.
But for the meantime, Jason. Because he looks like so fricking big, wide, and overall a fatass. Like, holy shit wtf is Jason eating to be that big.
Part of Jason's character is he's supposed to look uncomfortably similar to Dick, at least back when he's young. Even during those fleeting canon phases of being a natural blond or redhead.
We're never quite sure if Bruce ever truly liked Jason at all, or if Bruce only ever used Jason as a surrogate for the void of Dick's absence. Bruce and Alfred have both admitted this multiple times, so it's not just a baseless insecurity on Jason's part.
Batman is awesome because he's supremely fricked up and selfish sometimes, which makes Nightwing's integrity and success with Damian that much more inspiring.
Depends on the writer. I think those ideas mostly started during Morrison's run, but how much Bruce genuinely cares for Jason is just entirely dependent on who's writing at the time.
Morrison really dialled it up, but the seeds were planted all the way back in the 80s before Jason died, and consistently kept up after he died. The idea is that Jason died because he wasn't destined for the role, but the others (except Steph) actually do have what it takes.
It depends on the kind of story you want. If you want a story about Bruce's grief, then his relationship with Jason can be played up. If you want to buff Robin, then it's important to show that not just any random kid can be Robin, and Jason was incapable of meeting the standards of Dick and Tim.
I think it's funny and a bit unfortunate how Jason seems to get drawn or rendered like he's not just 2-3 years older than Tim and barely or not able to drink legally.
>Red Hood looks older than Nightwing and Batgirl, but he's supposed to be the second Robin.
People always forget Jason is only like 2 years older than Tim. But he's been drawn like a square jawed slab of muscleman since the Hush fakeout anyway. He's also the tallest Robin and bulkier than Dick canonically so its natural he looks older.
It's a good thing the lazarus pit also aged him up appropriately whenever he got revived too. Is that the current explanation for him in comics?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Never been stated in the comics, I suppose it could work due to the wonky logic of the lazarus pit. But Red Hood looking older than he is, is just due to writers forgetting his actual age is all.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Not sure what the current canon backstory is but if I remember correctly, the new 52 version had Talia stealing the body and reviving him pretty soon after his death so there would be very little discrepancy between his actual age and physical age in that version at least.
>its natural he looks older. >pretending DC cares or plans stuff
It's not. Jason is just very flexible. You need as an antagonist? He'll look like something that physically match Batman. Need him in the batfam? He looks the same as Nightwing and Batman will toll over them. You're making a game? Need a mage/thief/warrior/token female cast, Jason will be your tank. It's not rocket science.
You can essentially set one skin you like in stone and it doesn't change the look of the character even if you pick an armor with better stats. So that your character doesn't look like a clown, when you equip an armor with good stats but mismatched looks.
I know I will transmog that classic black and gold Batgirl skin, because it looks dope as frick.
Red Hood is probably the second robin that DC cares about. Red hood is really popular and I see more peoples hyping up Red Hood than any other Batman character other than Bruce himself.
I guess.
DC has no fricking clue what to do with around 80% of Batfamily, yet they keep adding more members into the pile. In reality they only care about Nightwing and Duke Thomas.
>the new ones shine
Yeah, that's the issue. They can't shine and it's not because they're not given the chance. DC is very pushy with their latest additions.But in a world were death doesn't impact, it's even more stupid to add characters that add nothing to the world or story. Nobody like interchangeable characters.
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Pretty sure Damian has more exposure at this point than Tim.
Damian is Batman's son and Batman is a power fantasy to casuals. Not a father figure. A huge chunk of casuals will never be ready for him and mass appeal always win in this business.
I mean, that's understandable. After Cyberpunk 2077, they don't want to make the same mistakes. And PS4 is a tech from 10 years ago. It really drags the whole development process down.
The announcement trailer looked pretty good. And the trailers so far looked good. Why is everybody keep saying that it looks like shit? Is it about Jason's soul jump?
Nah, I'm fine with powers. Doesn't bother me at all. By this time in a fully-embraced DC universe, Batman's kids WOULD have access to some of that shit. What bothers me is the implications behind 'rarity' and 'crafting' of 'gear.' That's the shit I don't want in my Arkhamverse game. It could be good, sure. It probably won't be out and out terrible. But it's worrisome. And it's guaranteed to be mediocre and buggy day one.
>That's the shit I don't want in my Arkhamverse game.
It looks less like an Arkhamverse game and more like a Shadow or Mordor/War game. Which is... fine I guess. Those were good games.
Mordor was the best game that warner published. Monolith and rocksteady people should start their own indie studio unlike turtle rock, they are forced to shove these microtransactions into their games
I will play as Red Hood, friend will play as Nightwing. We will probably play Suicide Squad game too, I will be Captain Boomerang and friend will be Deadshot.
I am considering buying a Xbox Series S to play this, but I will wait to hear if it is good or not. I was hyped for this a year and it is hard to disengage from that as we ramp up to the release date. Sigh...really wish we had a PS4 release still...
I spent like a few months trying to buy it, but scalpers got to it everytime. I basically gave up, and now I don't even have the money to get it anymore.
Yeah. Damian is in the DCAMU movies and Injustice. He has major roles. Tim only ever appears as a background character. Even in BTAS, "Tim" was actually Jason.
Damian is also a "Person of Color". Baffled DC went with an all-white Batfamily.
In Gotham Knights. The game. Batfamily is all-white.
I think Damian is only "black" in that new batfamily comic
Damian doesn't have to be as dark as he is in WFA. Americans have a weird litmus test about being white or a person of color.
If you're not white, then you're a person of color. Many of the Twitter/Tumblr types even consider white israeli people and fair-skinned Romani to be people of color.
That's true. But for most of the Gotham Knights audience, Damian would add some spice to a mostly Anglo white cast. His personality and reaction to Bruce's death would be distinct too.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm with you, I love Damian and think he should be given more due but normies don't know about him yet.
Doubtful. This has been in development with an advertised narrative for too long. The Superman show doesn't even have a bi Jon, and they've had more than enough time to work that in.
Babs has been THE smart tech guy, longer and better than Tim. She's the one who digitally falsified Tim's extracurricular activites to hide his vigilante work from his parents.
I'd give Tim's tech role to Babs, and Babs' gliding to Damian.
Babs has two modes and they went with the more mainstream one (Purple Batman). That leaves Tim to pick up tech. But yes. They could easily have swapped positions as Oracle and Twink Batman too.
Damian has gotten more exposure as of late but he's still barely in any media outside of the DC animated films and the web series. Tim has been around in the public consciousness longer plus he was in the Arkham series
It's a story-driven single player with optional 2-player coop. The enemies simply scale to the number of players in the game. We've seen this before in Arkham games.
Arkham Origins had multiplayer. But it was against another players, so his post makes no sense. Unless he's talking about Arkham Knight where you change between Bruce and Dick.
I have to replay it, I only played through it once on release, while I've played the other three through several times and 100% Knight and Asylum (because frick all that extra stuff in City)
2 years ago
Anonymous
Knight's story was absolute garbage though and the Battank sections were boring as hell. I think the worst part is that they managed to make Joker the focal point again for the fourth goddamn game in a row despite him being dead. Also the Jason twist and diet Red Hood stuff was moronic, especially when Jason was practically nonexistent in the other games beyond a few winks and nods.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Asylum screwed up at the ending and so did city.
Now that I think about it, stupid character wanking always finds a way to screw up the story of these games.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I kind of like City's twist and ending though, the Clayface reveal was pretty baller at the time and the ending was a proper sendoff for Hamill's joker.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Also, the entire plot of Knight happens because Batman's a fricking idiot.
I just want this game to not be the generic AAA mmo garbage that it looks like, garbage like leveling every gear and every single attribute should frick off., as well as having to get materials and shit for crafting more garbage.
To answer, I like Nightwing, but the glider shit is so stupid
>2 players >all the costumes look shit instead of nice like the first Arkham game >no stealth sections >homosexual Tim instead of based Damien
What’s the point? It’ll be shit.
>It is a singleplayer game. Coop is optional. >The costumes are changable, you can pick a suit you like the most and stick to it. >Tim is not homosexual in this game. >There are stealth sections literally shown in every trailer.
>>The costumes are changeable, you can pick a suit you like the most and stick to it.
I don't want Samurai Dick, I want a variety of comic outfits. The transmog is a step in the right direction, but it also guarantees that we aren't getting throwback costumes in the base game.
>I mean it should be 4 players online and local, why have a team of 4 if only 2 are playable ata a time? >i’ve seen enough of the costumes to make a judgement. They look garbage. Give me one decent default costume. That’s all that matters. Less is more. >I mean homosexual as in he gives off a homosexual aura not that he’s a legitimate homo >yeah but are they quality stealth sections and numerous?
How many more do you need to judge? 3 for 4 characters. That’s 12 in total. Then there were some pieces they showed off in the game trailer. All rubbish.
>Been wanting them to make a standalone game with some other heroes as protagonists since the Robin and Nightwing DLCs for Arkham City >10 years later they did and it's a fricking game as service crap
Talk about getting monkey pawed
>"This is very much not designed as a game-as-service," producer Fleur Marty told IGN (opens in new tab). "There is an ability tree, which is different for each of the characters, and then there's gear that you craft—and so choices that you're going to be making—but that does not mean that this is a game-as-service."
just going to be reskin identical gameplay like arkham games. button mashing game with half hour dodge and counter windows. amazing. 11/10. will buy the 5th rehash of same game over and over. whens the sequel? must consume more trash. hopefully some lesbians and gays in next one and less white people (the worst).
>button mashing game with half hour dodge and counter windows.
What's wrong with that? Not every game with melee combat needs to be reliant on frame data and whiff punishing.
I found it odd that in the files apparently the commissioner had a degree is pharmaceutical chemistry.
I imagine Umbrella has scanners on the front doors that won't open unless you have at least a letter in a STEM field. It locks whenever a liberal arts or humanities approachs.
Didn't he introduce Artemis and Bizarro to The Outlaws and outside of the movie and when he first came back in the comics that's the only time anyone's ever cared about Red Hood
Lobdell was the writer for RHatO 2016, but the tone and direction were wayyy different from the New 52 run before and the solo Outlaw run after. Lot of speculation that the editor and artist forced Lobdell to not write like Lobdell.
Apparently Geoff Johns pushed for Artemis and Bizarro. Which is weird because that was a solid direction for Jason at the time, and Johns himself writes one of the worst Jasons, even worse than Lobdell.
Anon, anyone with taste knows Steph is the superior Batgirl. Babs is trash tier.
Steph is great as the goofy spirited Batgirl. If DC pushes Babs as the sexy librarian, Oracle could be just as popular as Babsgirl.
This is my ideal Batgirl AU. >Babs is a sexy, flirty librarian and brains of the outfit who's pretty straight but is also pretty playfully flirty with pretty much anyone. She's semi retired from being Batgirl because she feels like she contributes more as Oracle, but she'll suit up if necessary. An old injury makes it difficult to Batgirl for too long, though. >Steph is fun and the heart of the team. She's not quite as skilled as the other two but she does her best. >Cass is the best in fights and shit but kinda socially clumsy and doesn't really pick up on innuendo but has a low-key crush on the boss. >Dick pops in from time to time and she and Babs are always flirting. Steph is constantly trying to figure out if they're a thing or not. >Batwoman isn't really part of the team but she collaborates from time to time. Babs flirts with her as well but since Batwoman actually IS gay, that just confuses Steph even more. >Tim sometimes comes to Babs if he needs help with something tech related. He and Steph used to date, but so that makes things a bit awkward between them at times. Babs' flirting makes him slightly uncomfortable. >Bruce is technically the boss but he's fairly hands off because he trusts Babs to take care of everything properly. He's making efforts to be friendlier and less cold. Babs flirts with him too but he's not very responsive to it.
This is cute. I'd also add Cass is awkward around steph to the point it may or may not be flirting/attracted to her, or her just being awkward, which flusters Steph more. Her hugs go on for too long, she randomly pops up in the middle of Steph thinking she's alone, she bridal carries Steph out of danger, but she never dares ask why.
Tim looks fun. And I pray Nightwing can swing.
Its still weird to me that its Tim and not Damian
The original game was supposed to be just Damian, but they changed the concept to Gotham Knights.
Hey Thats a Bad Out Fit. WHOOO
damian is being phased out, he wil periodically reappear to uncomfortably remind us that batman is old and perhaps to be killed (again) in a multi-part event.
We're getting a Super-Sons animated movie so I doubt that. I think that whole series of comic books saved Damian from fading away though. He had a good start with Dickbats imo but it wasn't until Rebirth that he came into his own. Tim being LGBT also made him more relevant whether you like that decision or not and now he's getting a new solo.
Jason I'm not as sure about. Red Hood's always been popular like Nightwing though so I guess he didn't the need to be rejuvenated like Tim and Damian. His second Outlaws team was cool but that's never gone mainstream, maybe we'll get a game or movie with Jason, Bizarro and Artemis and that'll do it.
Tim is making a comeback
Damian will probably be DLC
The obvious reason is because Tim was the Robin of the previous games.
>first gay character in video game guys!!
thats why
Except this was set in stone way before then and it almost certainly won't be included in the game since the story was also written way before then.
That game was in production waaaaaaaay before DC decided to make Tim gay. I wouldn't count on much synergy, because this game was supposed to synergize with the pre-IF Batfamily, and then DC trolled everyone and made Infinite Frontier.
Nope, they were making a Batman: Black Sabbath with Damien as the protag, when fans found out they shit a brick because everyone hates Damien.
probably batgirl. I wish Red Hood looked more exciting but... i guess theres only so much you can do with a ninja with guns. I. Guess.
he glides on a fortnite glider, i shit you not.
>And I pray Nightwing can swing.
Na, Babs had her chance.
NOW he belongs to Jon
>cucked by a spicy carrot
sorry b***h. At least you have Ted Kord huh?
I think they all have grappling guns, but different gliding mechanics.
Batgirl has cape gliding, Nightwing has glider, Red Hood had soul jump and Robin has teleporting.
>Robin has teleporting
How does that work?
Justice League tech, ain't gonna explain shit.
JL uses teleportation tech, Robin hijacks the tech to teleport short distances.
Batgirl!
She's also probably the most mechanically sound of them all, being based on Arkham Batman.
The eventual DLC characters.
But for the meantime, Jason. Because he looks like so fricking big, wide, and overall a fatass. Like, holy shit wtf is Jason eating to be that big.
>4 characters to play as
>"give me more characters"
You know video games and DLC. With the size of the Batfamily these days we're getting some DLC bonus characters. Definitely Spoiler and Damian, possibly Cassandra
WHEN?
Cass already is an the game. As a costume for Babs.
Do you even realize how taxing and expensive it is for a dev to add a completely new character into a game, with a new story, voice acting, skillset and mechanics? If there will be any new characters added, they will be handled similarly to how they were handled in an Arkham games - an additional mute character for challenge maps, that's all. Or as a reskin, where you can play as Babs in Cass' gear.
It's actually pretty cheap to do this. this game already reuses assets from old batman games.
Well, you need to hire a voice actor, rework the script to shoehorn an additional character in there, then tell the animation crew to rework all cutscenes, then create a new character from the ground up with a new moveset, mocap and animate all this shit... it's an insane amount of work.
It doesn't. The developers say they created everything from scratch.
>Cass already is an the game. As a costume for Babs.
This is extremely disappointing.
For you.
I am just happy Babs finally got a game for herself.
I'm happy you got what you want, but like other people I know we'll all be skipping the game due to the limited cast choices.
If the game sells poorly it's the studios fault in the end.
So, all the five people who like Cassandra Cain, won't play this game out of spite.
Ok. I am sure WB is crying themselves to sleep now.
Dude, most people are just happy they can play as someone other than Batman.
>five people
Now you're just being a homosexual
I'm not. Outside of the most hardcore of the hardcore oldschool comicbook nerds, Cassandra Cain isn't actually that popular. Most normies and even people who got into comics in last 10 years only care about Barbara Gordon.
>care about Barbara Gordon.
anon no one cares about Barbara Gordon
I care about Barbara Gordon.
Does she still have a trans roommate?
Anon, anyone with taste knows Steph is the superior Batgirl. Babs is trash tier.
She is but has the least amount of people who care about her. The Kinks of the Beatles vs Rolling Stones that is Babs/Cass
Also, despite the positive buzz, Steph's solo run was selling pathetically. She's the worst-selling Batgirl by a large margin. Babsgirl at her worst wasn't selling as bad as Steph at her best.
Bro its literally games as a service. They plan to addmore characters at least yearly like it was Overwatch.
Source, or I'll assume you've pulled that statement out of your ass.
The devs keep saying like a broken record that this game is NOT game as service.
Do you live in a world where people don't lie?
>DLC
At best, they'll have Bruce ready since he's just upgraded batgirl. For the rest you need the game to be financially succesfull first. Otherwise producers will pull the plug out, regardless of the devs supposed plans.
>The developers say they created everything from scratch.
Not saying it ain't possible but the gameplay is obviously lifted from AK. Simply tweaked with a few RPG and lootbox mechanics. Beside, if true then it's stupid as frick given they went with the same DA for Gotham. Could literally have saved time to work on those junky animations or improve a gameplay that was all the rage 7 years ago.
To be fair, these characters are shit.
Someone who's browsing Cinemaphile all day is calling a jacked muscular comic character fat. It reeks of Black person.
Batgirl, I want to hear her pant, gasp, moan and get beaten.
yes!.... hahaha YES!
give sauce.
We're gonna need that uncovered, Boss.
Load it up over on /aco/
>so it’s a Batman game
>but you can’t play as Batman
>only his sidekicks
>none of who have any powers
Who would greenlight this?
Better than another arkham city clone
Game appears to be a flop
>janky animations
>tacked multiplayer
It's Gotham City Impostors 2
Why is there only one Batgirl, which happens to be the most boring one?
Because it's the only Batgirl that matters.
Every character will have 11 different costumes.
Nightwing!
This is the only game that I'm looking forward to playing. I hope there's a lot of content in it.
This is probably the only DC property at the moment that I am even remotely hyped for. That's just sad, come to think of it.
Same here. Thought DC has been killing it with the films recently too.
Eh, we had Batman, that's been... decent enough I guess and then nothing. And there aren't any interesting movies on the horizon.
I've waited years for some kind of Arkhamverse continuation and this is the closest thing to it so I'm in, but the gameplay, character designs and the story which we don't know all that much about beyond the Court of Owls stuff has made me skeptical. Beyond this though there aren't many AAA western games I'm interested in, Hogwarts Legacy is like the only other one.
I know Suicide Squad is officially Arkhamverse but it looks like it's for a different audience tbh. Again it could be good, gameplay might be better than Gotham Knights at least, but I don't really care about the Suicide Squad, at least not this iteration. James Gunn's team is the only lineup I've actually liked, they should've just gone full synergy and use those guys instead of with more Ayer team members.
Man, remember when DmC: Devil May Cry flopped so hard that Capcom gave up and went back to the original series, and so we got DMC 5?
Crazy how sometimes things can self-correct with just the right pressure...
>remember when DmC: Devil May Cry flopped so hard that Capcom gave up and went back to the original series
Tim and Babs look like they have nice styles and tolerable design options. Shame they ruined Dick and Jason irrevocably.
Batgirl, she seems to be the most similar to Batman in play style
I kinda wish they'd make Jason look more like Dick, but I guess they want players to be able to know who is who, so they all have different body shapes. Kinda like the new TMNT.
They should have remembered they're not supposed to be fugly.
Part of Jason's character is he's supposed to look uncomfortably similar to Dick, at least back when he's young. Even during those fleeting canon phases of being a natural blond or redhead.
We're never quite sure if Bruce ever truly liked Jason at all, or if Bruce only ever used Jason as a surrogate for the void of Dick's absence. Bruce and Alfred have both admitted this multiple times, so it's not just a baseless insecurity on Jason's part.
Batman is awesome because he's supremely fricked up and selfish sometimes, which makes Nightwing's integrity and success with Damian that much more inspiring.
Depends on the writer. I think those ideas mostly started during Morrison's run, but how much Bruce genuinely cares for Jason is just entirely dependent on who's writing at the time.
Morrison really dialled it up, but the seeds were planted all the way back in the 80s before Jason died, and consistently kept up after he died. The idea is that Jason died because he wasn't destined for the role, but the others (except Steph) actually do have what it takes.
It depends on the kind of story you want. If you want a story about Bruce's grief, then his relationship with Jason can be played up. If you want to buff Robin, then it's important to show that not just any random kid can be Robin, and Jason was incapable of meeting the standards of Dick and Tim.
I think it's funny and a bit unfortunate how Jason seems to get drawn or rendered like he's not just 2-3 years older than Tim and barely or not able to drink legally.
How is this timeline even gonna work? Red Hood looks older than Nightwing and Batgirl, but he's supposed to be the second Robin.
Is this like the New 52 where Batman speedran through one Robin per year?
Best not to try to make it work. It's just a wacky AU. The universe where everyone got hit by a car.
>Red Hood looks older than Nightwing and Batgirl, but he's supposed to be the second Robin.
People always forget Jason is only like 2 years older than Tim. But he's been drawn like a square jawed slab of muscleman since the Hush fakeout anyway. He's also the tallest Robin and bulkier than Dick canonically so its natural he looks older.
It's a good thing the lazarus pit also aged him up appropriately whenever he got revived too. Is that the current explanation for him in comics?
Never been stated in the comics, I suppose it could work due to the wonky logic of the lazarus pit. But Red Hood looking older than he is, is just due to writers forgetting his actual age is all.
Not sure what the current canon backstory is but if I remember correctly, the new 52 version had Talia stealing the body and reviving him pretty soon after his death so there would be very little discrepancy between his actual age and physical age in that version at least.
Everyone hates Lobdell, so the original version.
>its natural he looks older.
>pretending DC cares or plans stuff
It's not. Jason is just very flexible. You need as an antagonist? He'll look like something that physically match Batman. Need him in the batfam? He looks the same as Nightwing and Batman will toll over them. You're making a game? Need a mage/thief/warrior/token female cast, Jason will be your tank. It's not rocket science.
This moment was cute, one of the few good points of Nightwing year one.
I guess getting killed and resurrected has it's toll.
These are from the Dick and Jason gameplay trailer.
So it's a battle royale game.
Warner sucks
It's Arkham game with co-op and RPG elements.
So... a battle royale game?
That's not what those games are at all?
I'm not sure if you understand what a battle royale game is.
I assume it's the same fricking idiot trying to pretend this is a service game in every thread.
This stinks of Marvels Avengers game from 2019. That game shit the bed so hard it was a chore to play it.
>fortnite aesthetic
Gotham City Impostors 2
>no sexy hand stripes
>keeping the ugly vest for most his costumes
really dropping the ball, wtf
See
I can't believe a Zur-en-arrh reference made it into a AAA video game.
It was an exclusive costume in Arkham knight you needed to connect your game to whatever wb bullshit gaming website they were using at the time
Why do they keep fricking up the Beyond suit design?
Because its futuristic bro. Obviously people from the future have regressed in taste the same we have from our previous generations.
It's way too fricking busy
>a shitty Desinty wanna be game
You'd think these companies would have learned after Anthem.
The frick is a transmog?
A standard term for skins or other fashion items that are worn over stat stick equipment?
You can essentially set one skin you like in stone and it doesn't change the look of the character even if you pick an armor with better stats. So that your character doesn't look like a clown, when you equip an armor with good stats but mismatched looks.
I know I will transmog that classic black and gold Batgirl skin, because it looks dope as frick.
why do they insist on keeping the batman logo on jason?
makes little sense. even when he was rebelling against bruce they put it on him now
DC doesn't give a shit about Red Hood.
Red Hood is probably the second robin that DC cares about. Red hood is really popular and I see more peoples hyping up Red Hood than any other Batman character other than Bruce himself.
That doesn't mean DC cares about him. DC just cares about money, not him.
Isn't Red Hood basically the emo teen member of the Batfamily for a while now?
I guess.
DC has no fricking clue what to do with around 80% of Batfamily, yet they keep adding more members into the pile. In reality they only care about Nightwing and Duke Thomas.
That's what happens when you don't let character die permanently or move on to let the new ones shine.
>the new ones shine
Yeah, that's the issue. They can't shine and it's not because they're not given the chance. DC is very pushy with their latest additions.But in a world were death doesn't impact, it's even more stupid to add characters that add nothing to the world or story. Nobody like interchangeable characters.
Damian is Batman's son and Batman is a power fantasy to casuals. Not a father figure. A huge chunk of casuals will never be ready for him and mass appeal always win in this business.
Red Hood has never out-emo'd Batman. Jason is literally the accessory used to make Batman into the emo edgelord we all know and love.
it looks better than a generic skull
None, since they scrapped the PS4 version of the game. (Though I would totally main Batgirl if I could play it).
I know it's petty, but I hope it sucks since I don't have a console to play it. I was seriously hyped for this game...
I mean, that's understandable. After Cyberpunk 2077, they don't want to make the same mistakes. And PS4 is a tech from 10 years ago. It really drags the whole development process down.
This game looks worse than Arkham Knight which was on PS4.
I think Gotham Knights looks too clean. I hope they add grit to the graphics.
It doesn't look very good, but I can wait until there's a GOTY edition or something if it is.
The announcement trailer looked pretty good. And the trailers so far looked good. Why is everybody keep saying that it looks like shit? Is it about Jason's soul jump?
Nah, I'm fine with powers. Doesn't bother me at all. By this time in a fully-embraced DC universe, Batman's kids WOULD have access to some of that shit. What bothers me is the implications behind 'rarity' and 'crafting' of 'gear.' That's the shit I don't want in my Arkhamverse game. It could be good, sure. It probably won't be out and out terrible. But it's worrisome. And it's guaranteed to be mediocre and buggy day one.
>That's the shit I don't want in my Arkhamverse game.
It looks less like an Arkhamverse game and more like a Shadow or Mordor/War game. Which is... fine I guess. Those were good games.
Mordor was the best game that warner published. Monolith and rocksteady people should start their own indie studio unlike turtle rock, they are forced to shove these microtransactions into their games
I won't play it because all the fun and sexy design of arkham city have been replaced by woke shit
Pass, too many red flags. I’m waiting for Spider-Man 2
Call me when I can play as Jarro.
I will play as Red Hood, friend will play as Nightwing. We will probably play Suicide Squad game too, I will be Captain Boomerang and friend will be Deadshot.
Only for Timmy, and I'm also interested in the story. Replaying Telltale's Batman games and it's still my favorite bat-media.
I absolutely loved Telltale's Batman, The Wolf Among Us and Tales from Borderlands.
Just Tim or Dick. Babs and Jason are crap. I can't believe how badly they massacred Jason in this. Fricking Lazarus powers...
probably not, it looks filled with MTX and the worst parts of Arkham Knight
I'd play as my boy Jason IF THE GAME WOULD STILL RELEASE ON PS4
I'm buying a gaming PC just for this one game. I was really disappointed that there's no PS4 version.
I am considering buying a Xbox Series S to play this, but I will wait to hear if it is good or not. I was hyped for this a year and it is hard to disengage from that as we ramp up to the release date. Sigh...really wish we had a PS4 release still...
I'd try to get it on PC for the chance of mods correcting the more egregious aesthetic failures.
Gonna restore Nightwing's butt?
Proper modding should inflate it to the size of a Buick.
>what could've been
I dont play videogames anymore but if I had to choose I'd take Kill the justice league insted of this
My dude, it's been like two years since the PS5 came out.
I spent like a few months trying to buy it, but scalpers got to it everytime. I basically gave up, and now I don't even have the money to get it anymore.
PS5 has no games.
>My dude PS5 had been out of stock, sold out, and bought by bots for 2 years. Just buy my overpriced PS5 on eBay
Frick you
works on my shopping cart 🙂
Alfred
>Barbara instead of Cass
>Tim instead of Damian
Hope this shit bombs
Dude, nobody cares about your anime waifu.
For the people outside of comics, there is only one Batgirl that matters.
Yeah, how dare they use characters most people actually know.
Pretty sure Damian has more exposure at this point than Tim.
Yeah. Damian is in the DCAMU movies and Injustice. He has major roles. Tim only ever appears as a background character. Even in BTAS, "Tim" was actually Jason.
Damian is also a "Person of Color". Baffled DC went with an all-white Batfamily.
It might be that in their story Tim makes more sense.
Don't understand how the Bat family is all white when Fox, the 2 Bat wing , and duke exist.
In Gotham Knights. The game. Batfamily is all-white.
Damian doesn't have to be as dark as he is in WFA. Americans have a weird litmus test about being white or a person of color.
If you're not white, then you're a person of color. Many of the Twitter/Tumblr types even consider white israeli people and fair-skinned Romani to be people of color.
I think Damian is only "black" in that new batfamily comic
Arabs are whiter than most americans
That's true. But for most of the Gotham Knights audience, Damian would add some spice to a mostly Anglo white cast. His personality and reaction to Bruce's death would be distinct too.
I'm with you, I love Damian and think he should be given more due but normies don't know about him yet.
Tim is the smart tech guy while Damian would be just another fighter
Also now Tim is a gay so they will probably highlight him
Doubtful. This has been in development with an advertised narrative for too long. The Superman show doesn't even have a bi Jon, and they've had more than enough time to work that in.
Babs has been THE smart tech guy, longer and better than Tim. She's the one who digitally falsified Tim's extracurricular activites to hide his vigilante work from his parents.
I'd give Tim's tech role to Babs, and Babs' gliding to Damian.
Babs has two modes and they went with the more mainstream one (Purple Batman). That leaves Tim to pick up tech. But yes. They could easily have swapped positions as Oracle and Twink Batman too.
But that was Oracle, as batgirl she has always been Batman for coomers.
Umm no. She was never into computers until after she stopped being batgirl
And guess what? She was shot before Jason even died. She was already Oracle when Tim debuted.
She was Oracle in most of the Arkham games. Not so hard for the audience to keep up.
>Tim is the smart tech guy
that's batgirl
Damian has gotten more exposure as of late but he's still barely in any media outside of the DC animated films and the web series. Tim has been around in the public consciousness longer plus he was in the Arkham series
>Using the most well known members instead of the less well known members
Makes sense. This game is for normies, not comic fans
Arkham games should have had Batwing as the protagonist. They're not games for true comic fans.
Isn't it gonna be a co-op only game? Or one of those you "can" play singleplayer, but it fricking sucks because it's made for several players?
It's a story-driven single player with optional 2-player coop. The enemies simply scale to the number of players in the game. We've seen this before in Arkham games.
>We've seen this before in Arkham games
When? They never had any kind of multiplayer.
Arkham Origins had multiplayer. But it was against another players, so his post makes no sense. Unless he's talking about Arkham Knight where you change between Bruce and Dick.
>Arkham Origins had multiplayer.
Oh lol, honestly I forgot Origins even existed, let alone having multiplayer.
It's my favorite Arkham game.
For me it's
Origins > Knight > City > Asylum
I have to replay it, I only played through it once on release, while I've played the other three through several times and 100% Knight and Asylum (because frick all that extra stuff in City)
Knight's story was absolute garbage though and the Battank sections were boring as hell. I think the worst part is that they managed to make Joker the focal point again for the fourth goddamn game in a row despite him being dead. Also the Jason twist and diet Red Hood stuff was moronic, especially when Jason was practically nonexistent in the other games beyond a few winks and nods.
Asylum screwed up at the ending and so did city.
Now that I think about it, stupid character wanking always finds a way to screw up the story of these games.
I kind of like City's twist and ending though, the Clayface reveal was pretty baller at the time and the ending was a proper sendoff for Hamill's joker.
Also, the entire plot of Knight happens because Batman's a fricking idiot.
Not Nightwing, the fricking sideways moron
Jason probably
Babs
Imagine the bush she had back then.
couldn't be that bad.
It's just a form-fitting bikini, I tell you! It's under there somewhere...
>Dat waist
She must have been sewn into her outfit for every episode. God, I still love this woman!
1. Nice marketing thread
2. None, this game looks like shit in every way
3. I hate these characters too
Just realized the leads are all white
10/10 GAME OF THE YEAR!!!
Batman.
depends who has the nicest ass
>rpg gear
>teleporting robin
lol no
I think teleporting with a slingshot is cool. A wise man once said "The slingshot is a very underrated weapon"
your mom
Batgirl, I love me some tonfa!
Didn't one of those Robin's get beaten to death with a crowbar? Also I'm pretty sure Barbra got shot and paralyzed by the Joker.
Both easily fixed.
none prolly since it looks like shit
I'll get it on a deep sale. I've never paid more than 5 dollars for a Arkham game.
I hope Orca is in it.
I just want this game to not be the generic AAA mmo garbage that it looks like, garbage like leveling every gear and every single attribute should frick off., as well as having to get materials and shit for crafting more garbage.
To answer, I like Nightwing, but the glider shit is so stupid
>Jason gets the Bat
The favorite son
Batgirl of course. I think this one is the best and any other is invalid.
Are cassgays really?
>2 players
>all the costumes look shit instead of nice like the first Arkham game
>no stealth sections
>homosexual Tim instead of based Damien
What’s the point? It’ll be shit.
>It is a singleplayer game. Coop is optional.
>The costumes are changable, you can pick a suit you like the most and stick to it.
>Tim is not homosexual in this game.
>There are stealth sections literally shown in every trailer.
Let's be real though. They should include bat-speedos for every character.
Give PC gamers some time.
In Nexus we trust.
>>The costumes are changeable, you can pick a suit you like the most and stick to it.
I don't want Samurai Dick, I want a variety of comic outfits. The transmog is a step in the right direction, but it also guarantees that we aren't getting throwback costumes in the base game.
>I mean it should be 4 players online and local, why have a team of 4 if only 2 are playable ata a time?
>i’ve seen enough of the costumes to make a judgement. They look garbage. Give me one decent default costume. That’s all that matters. Less is more.
>I mean homosexual as in he gives off a homosexual aura not that he’s a legitimate homo
>yeah but are they quality stealth sections and numerous?
>i’ve seen enough of the costumes to make a judgement
We've seen... three, maybe?
How many more do you need to judge? 3 for 4 characters. That’s 12 in total. Then there were some pieces they showed off in the game trailer. All rubbish.
i'm sure your contrarian posturing is super interesting to someone who might even not be you
shut up homosexual
Go frick yourself, stupid c**t.
This is Batgirl's game.
>it's shit
par for the course for her.
>burnside inspired
Praying for the day she can escape that shit
Just one of the 11 costumes.
This game isn't out, and yet i've already played it dozens of times.
>Been wanting them to make a standalone game with some other heroes as protagonists since the Robin and Nightwing DLCs for Arkham City
>10 years later they did and it's a fricking game as service crap
Talk about getting monkey pawed
Enough with that game as service meme.
>"This is very much not designed as a game-as-service," producer Fleur Marty told IGN (opens in new tab). "There is an ability tree, which is different for each of the characters, and then there's gear that you craft—and so choices that you're going to be making—but that does not mean that this is a game-as-service."
just going to be reskin identical gameplay like arkham games. button mashing game with half hour dodge and counter windows. amazing. 11/10. will buy the 5th rehash of same game over and over. whens the sequel? must consume more trash. hopefully some lesbians and gays in next one and less white people (the worst).
>button mashing game with half hour dodge and counter windows.
What's wrong with that? Not every game with melee combat needs to be reliant on frame data and whiff punishing.
Seems like it's the same homosexual trying out his list of garbage for replies.
Robin.
>no poll
strawpoll.com/polls/XOgOJP2k0n3
None. Game looks like garbage.
I'll play as babs if this is an alternate costume
Wasn't it in Arkham Knight? I know TAS Catwoman and Batman were.
nope, she only had 1 suit in Knight
they'll prolly have a ton of dlc costumes. DCAU costumes would not be a stretch
I found it odd that in the files apparently the commissioner had a degree is pharmaceutical chemistry.
I imagine Umbrella has scanners on the front doors that won't open unless you have at least a letter in a STEM field. It locks whenever a liberal arts or humanities approachs.
Didn't he introduce Artemis and Bizarro to The Outlaws and outside of the movie and when he first came back in the comics that's the only time anyone's ever cared about Red Hood
Lobdell was the writer for RHatO 2016, but the tone and direction were wayyy different from the New 52 run before and the solo Outlaw run after. Lot of speculation that the editor and artist forced Lobdell to not write like Lobdell.
Apparently Geoff Johns pushed for Artemis and Bizarro. Which is weird because that was a solid direction for Jason at the time, and Johns himself writes one of the worst Jasons, even worse than Lobdell.
Steph is great as the goofy spirited Batgirl. If DC pushes Babs as the sexy librarian, Oracle could be just as popular as Babsgirl.
This is my ideal Batgirl AU.
>Babs is a sexy, flirty librarian and brains of the outfit who's pretty straight but is also pretty playfully flirty with pretty much anyone. She's semi retired from being Batgirl because she feels like she contributes more as Oracle, but she'll suit up if necessary. An old injury makes it difficult to Batgirl for too long, though.
>Steph is fun and the heart of the team. She's not quite as skilled as the other two but she does her best.
>Cass is the best in fights and shit but kinda socially clumsy and doesn't really pick up on innuendo but has a low-key crush on the boss.
>Dick pops in from time to time and she and Babs are always flirting. Steph is constantly trying to figure out if they're a thing or not.
>Batwoman isn't really part of the team but she collaborates from time to time. Babs flirts with her as well but since Batwoman actually IS gay, that just confuses Steph even more.
>Tim sometimes comes to Babs if he needs help with something tech related. He and Steph used to date, but so that makes things a bit awkward between them at times. Babs' flirting makes him slightly uncomfortable.
>Bruce is technically the boss but he's fairly hands off because he trusts Babs to take care of everything properly. He's making efforts to be friendlier and less cold. Babs flirts with him too but he's not very responsive to it.
This is cute. I'd also add Cass is awkward around steph to the point it may or may not be flirting/attracted to her, or her just being awkward, which flusters Steph more. Her hugs go on for too long, she randomly pops up in the middle of Steph thinking she's alone, she bridal carries Steph out of danger, but she never dares ask why.
>Steph accidentally calls Bruce "Dad" once
>Babs keeps teasing her about it and asks why Steph won't call her "Mom"