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I think its pretty much this. Remember how Galadriel got all worked up when Frodo decided to hand that ring over to her? The ring affects people indirectly, like, I dont know, a uranium stone.
Besides, by that logic, Frodo wasn't technically carrying the ring. The chain was the ring's most direct carrier so there should be a problem.
Sam, and I think it is being mentioned somewhere in the books, is too kind hearted in order to be affected as much as Frodo so this is why he had no trouble carrying Frodo, but I dont think he could have lasted as long as Frodo did as a direct ring bearer because he was always homesick and there was enough fear in him. Frodo was a bit more aloof with his past and was already familiar with the ring before that journey, therefore he was the perfect candidate.
Feels like this is reading too much into it. But then again I haven't seen the movies all the way through
The ring only works on viable wearers of the ring. A mouse could never wear the ring anyway, so it has no effect. If Frodo had carried a mouse with the ring taped to it, the ring still would have targeted Frodo.
I think its pretty much this. Remember how Galadriel got all worked up when Frodo decided to hand that ring over to her? The ring affects people indirectly, like, I dont know, a uranium stone.
Besides, by that logic, Frodo wasn't technically carrying the ring. The chain was the ring's most direct carrier so there should be a problem.
Sam, and I think it is being mentioned somewhere in the books, is too kind hearted in order to be affected as much as Frodo so this is why he had no trouble carrying Frodo, but I dont think he could have lasted as long as Frodo did as a direct ring bearer because he was always homesick and there was enough fear in him. Frodo was a bit more aloof with his past and was already familiar with the ring before that journey, therefore he was the perfect candidate.
I think the ring's dark power would have scared him to the point of breaking, and in order to save himself, Sam would have tossed the ring over a random cliff and ran his ass all the way back to hobbiton and never talk about it ever again. I feel the ring somehow knew that outcome, and it was aware that if it ended up tossed and forgotten under a rock or in the bottom of a river in buttfricking nowhere, it was back to zero again. From what I remember, it took years for the ring to emerge and end up into smeagol's hands. It didn't have the luxury to go through this process again. Frodo could handle the ring because he had the right mix of being pure hearted and malevolent as bilbo.
>It didn't have the luxury to go through this process again
Why not? Sauron didn't need it to win whatsoever, he just needed it to not be destroyed. Becoming truly lost again would have been the second best option behind reclaiming it and returning it to Sauron.
I know, I have read the books. Gandalf wasnt away for a small amount of time as peter jackson's editing implies, but it was for a very long time. Frodo was slowly becoming more isolated from his fellow hobbits and more queer, but he was also staying young because the ring had its eye on him.
>perfect candidate.
I guess that's way they harp on about his and Bilbo's genetic lineage (and that of the other characters), as it gives clues to how the ring uses them but then also fails to use them.
Its living thing. Not object. More ou interact with it. Directly or indirectly. More it affects you.
And it did affect Sam quite bit. For some reason it was left out of end of movie.
Sam cared more about Frodo then he did the ring and at the same time the few hours at most it was directly in his possession were enough that he almost refused to give it back to Frodo.
Frodo wasn't wearing the ring then, he was bearing it. Also Frodo was exhausted from bearing it for a million mile trek, Sam only had to bear it indirectly for like 10 minutes up the volcano or "mountain (of doom)"(Tolkien=hack).
So what if you cut off an orphans limbs and had him wear the ring? If he needs a hand to "wear" it, just pin his arm to his chest. The bodyweight of a child without limbs is less cumbersome than a rucksack, you can just strap the little moron to your back and gag him if he won't shut up.
Why do people act like the ring has defined properties and works like a toaster? It is an aspect of Sauron working his soul into the material world as an defiant act of creation in the divine sense to increase he control over those in the world free of his domination.
The rings first and only real purpose is to chain Sauron's spirit to Arda so he dosen't get transported to the eternal realm after "dying" as that would mean being put in a cage again.
No sir, because Sauron never intended to ever be without the Ring when he made it sir. The purpose of the Ring was Domination, something which sir, required Sauron to invest himself into it. The Ring does not in fact make him invincible: he forever lost his fair form when Numenor was destroyed, and Gollum saw he had a finger missing when being interrogated about the Ring.
His master was far stronger, and yet through the ages of exhausting his powers and acquiring injuries, was greatly disfigured and weakened permanently by the time of Beleriand's destruction, Sir. An Elf-Lord, even one that had seen the light of the Two Trees, would not have been able to give him a limp as was the case, but for Melkor's fading.
Given enough time, Sauron would also fade as his Nazgul did. The Ring would endure longer, as all the Great Rings were designed to, and it would be Sauron more than Sauron himself could sustain. Having seen what became of his master, the greatest of all Valar, Sauron would never have held any expectation of guaranteeing his own permanence even with the Ring. He simply wanted to rule over the ruin he saw as inevitable, for as long as it lasted, and this made the sacrifice required to create the Ring worth it for him.
>Zoomies are so absent from loyal friends that the idea of having a friend who will put his friendship over a selfish personal gain is an insane foreign concept to them.
Sam had the ring for a bit and was tempted by it, but proved stronger/more humble than Frodo and gave the ring back after saving his master from Orcs. I assume he would have been affected by carrying Frodo up Mt.Doom later but still resisted the temptation to be Samwise Gamgee, Lord of Gardening.
>stronger/more humble than Frodo
People really keep underselling how long Frodo held onto the damn thing and how well he otherwise did to resist corruption, not only in general, but the closer he got to the Ring's master.
The temptation increases with presence to the ring. It changed Smeagol’s entire being including his lifespan. He was a distant kin to hobbits and possibly therefore less subject to its power - otherwise it would aim to return to Sauron. Gollum's greed for the ring itself is his strongest desire. Gandalf also holds the ring, it’s not like nobody else can touch it. The problem is the longer you’re near it the more you think of reasons to use the power. Frodo also suffers from this.
The logic is that the ring couldn't understand Sam because all it really knew was power. It promised him a world of endless perfect gardens but that's not what his want was about at all and in many ways Sam didn't rejected power.
I always thought Sams will was very strong. He even used the ring and gave it back to Frodo. Even having thr opportunity for the ring and resisting is considered having great will. Like Gandalf and Galadrial.
Also, frick that israelite on twitter.
But he was affected by the ring. He didn't carry Frodo to avoid being tempted by the ring, he carried Frodo because Frodo was being a b***h and Sam didn't want to deal with his bullshit about who should carry the ring.
>he carried Frodo because Frodo was being a b***h
Frodo is doing 24/7 wis and cha checks against the ring, he's bound to be a bit drained from the mental onslaught.
>As Sam stood there, even though the Ring was not on him but hanging by its chain about his neck, he felt himself enlarged, as if he were robed in a huge distorted shadow of himself, a vast and ominous threat halted upon the walls of Mordor. He felt that he had from now on only two choices: to forbear the Ring, though it would torment him; or to claim it, and challenge the Power that sat in its dark hold beyond the valley of shadows. Already the Ring tempted him, gnawing at his will and reason. Wild fantasies arose in his mind; and he saw Samwise the Strong, Hero of the Age, striding with a flaming sword across the darkened land, and armies flocking to his call as he marched to the overthrow of Barad-dûr. And then all the clouds rolled away, and the white sun shone, and at his command the vale of Gorgoroth became a garden of flowers and trees and brought forth fruit. He had only to put on the Ring and claim it for his own, and all this could be.
>In that hour of trial it was the love of his master that helped most to hold him firm; but also deep down in him lived still unconquered his plain hobbit-sense: he knew in the core of his heart that he was not large enough to bear such a burden, even if such visions were not a mere cheat to betray him. The one small garden of a free gardener was all his need and due, not a garden swollen to a realm; his own hands to use, not the hands of others to command.
You discount the hearts of the strong to appeal to the sense of superiority of the weak.
He would have pinned that little man-boy down and dug it out of his ass like any other methhead would when they found out about that little treasure trove.
He is canonically uninterested in taking a wife, and just wanted to run around with the boys having adventures and scrapping with orcs. Denethor was never going to live to see grandkids, my guy.
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Faramir was straight though. Second rate grandchildren, true, but still
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Yeah, but he was too focused on getting his dad to not treat him like an unwanted step-child. He would never have settled down for it while Denethor was still around to resent him.
Why didn't Gandalf just put the ring inside a mouse and then use a spell to make some marathoner forget about it existing and task him with throwing the mouse into the volcano?
I would love to be an adventurer in Middle Earth. I would go visit the Elves and get a magical scimitar then I'd go around slaying goblins with my companions. I like how grounded the world is, the only magic wizards are primordial spirits that were created to serve the gods.
The Ring does tempt Samwise though, when he gets it the Ring shows him the possibility of turning all Middle Earth into his personal garden. Sam rejects this vision.
We live in such a clown world that the people who LIKE lord of the rings look like the actual normal chads and the people who DISLIKE it sound like the virgin nerds
the ring does understand transitive properties
but the council of rivendell also understands the ring understands the ring understands transitive properties
doesn't matter if you stick a billion mice on a stick and carry the ring to Mordor that what, it is impossible for the ring to be willingly destroyed at the crack of doom by anyone, if Sam attempted to do it he would have fallen victim as well
That's a big assumption. We've already seen that Sam gave up the ring willingly to Frodo once already. Did the thought that Sam is just *that* good a friend so as to find the strength to help Frodo again NOT pass this guy's mind?
>frodo asks for the ring back >they specifically show Sam pull it away from him because he's tempted to keep it >morons still just think Sam was never tempted
>put the ring in a sealed envelope >form a conga line from the shire to Sammath Naur >have them pass the envelope to one another until the last one throws it into the cracks of Doom
easy peasy
>put the ring on your wiener >the nazgul cant get to it without becoming gay >part of sauron's soul is literally wrapped around your wiener like a gay
checkmate, gayzguls and gayron
But the ring influences whatever it touches, so the mouse would feel compelled to escape whatever it was kept in. Plus it would be seen as cruel to subject an innocent creature to that as it can't willingly consent to the ordeal. that was important. That was why Frodo was so important, he was innocent and the Ring took forever to corrupt him and he willingly chose to be the ringbearer. Mouse can't do that. It'd mutate over time like Gollum did and all of Middle Earth would be afflicted with a plague of "Horrorats" or some shit, which probably carry the plague. It would be like those Plague Tale games.
On top of all that, there's nothing to suggest middle earth had invented duct tape.
I never understood why the ring was so important. It makes you invisible, so what. It doesn't let you shoot lazers out of your eyes or punch a continent in half. It seems weak as hell. I'll fricking admit it after 20 years, i don't understand the point of it all. I don't get why everyone was keen on it.
If you were enough of a badass to take command of it, you could enthrall men to your banner and rise up with supernatural force as the next great warlord that could even overthrow Sauron himself. The Hobbits didn't have what it takes for all that, but the invisible thing was just that the ring pulls you into the realm of the spiritual. As basic little mortals without a strong presence in both the spiritual and physical worlds, they just vanish from mundane sight.
It enhances the powers that are beneficial for you specifically. This is to entice you to wanna hold onto it so it can corrupt you.
It made Frodo invisible because he was a little b***h boi who needed to hide, so the ring offered him invisibility.
Can someone explain how Gandalf was able to hold the ring via fire tongs through an envelope and then explain why Gandalf couldn't just tie the ring to a durable pouch and drag the ring himself?
Tolkien spent all that time and energy toward inventing multiple languages and drawing detailed maps and thousands of years worth of lore but couldn't be bothered to proofread for plot holes to make for a plausible situation where otherwise fully rational adults, especially when all the delegates were at council discussing plans on what to do with the ring, and wouldn't make those character brainstorm all known properties and schematics of the magical, not only to understand what they're dealing with, but also to come up with ideas on how to transport it. Something so simple shouldn't be overlooked, especially considering with how rich and full all other aspects of his literary prowess is, still couldn't be bothered to check for plotholes. I mean come on, if you're going through the trouble of inventing multiple languages, why not pour some of that creative energy toward sealing plot holes?
The ring would tempt anyone, but it wasn't made for people as literally dumb as Sam. Delving into his soul it came up with the best thing to tempt him with, and showed him a vision of a..big garden. "It could all be yours, with lots of little helpers to toil away at your command! J-just think of how big your..taters..will be!"
And even Sam could only shake his head at how stupid that was.
Sam wasn't stupid, he was just, from the ring's perspective, completely alien.
We know from Tolkien's notes that it would have cracked him eventually, but initially it was going through the checklist of temptation and slamming into a brick wall
The ring will literally work on people who have never touched it at all. That's the reason Frodo left the fellowship in the first place. The main reasons it targetted Frodo over Sam was because Frodo was more susceptible than sam, and more of a threat. Neither Sam nor Frodo were ideal targets for the ring, but the Ring very much needed to be recovered by Sauron, and absolutely not be destroyed. Imagine you carry a plate of McDonalds chicken nuggets. But for the sake of the world, you must not eat them. Your pal may think to himself "Damn, those are some delicious looking nuggies", and be tempted. But in the end, you're the one who has them right next to you, in your possession, at all times. Your the one who has the path of least resistence towards eating the nuggies.
This is why the ring affected Frodo, while Sam was barely affected. San was already not a particularly easy to tempt host, nor a particularly useful one, and also he had a path of resistence to get the ring (steal it, or kill frodo)
Also, this whole thing is bullshit, because Sam didn't carry frodo to avoid carrying the ring, he carried frodo because Frodo literally couldn't walk anymore.
This guy is a moron
The ring exercises power on everything around it - specifically people who have worn it
It takes strong will to resist the ring, or a pure heart that doesn’t give in to temptation
Sam was “effected” by the ring, but he loved Frodo more than the ring could effect, so he carried him - gruellingly - up a burning mountain slope with bare feet, exhausted, and not knowing if he’d live to get home
Andrew here clearly doesn’t know his lore or understand good story telling, so he can suck a dick and jerk two more off with his hands, that’ll keep his shit and ignorant opinions off the internet
I’m pretty sure they purposely wanted Sauron’s attention so he would be distracted from taking over Middle Earth. If they didn’t wear it the Nazgûl would terrorise Gondor and Rohan
He was probably still affected by it. Sam couldn't carry it for him because Frodo wouldn't let him, not because he lacked the strength. Sam had more strength to resist the thing than anyone. That's the point
Frodo was battling the ring the entire time, the only reason Sam could remain unaffected. A mouse couldn’t do that.
It doesn’t take a lot of thinking to understand this.
Could someone have put Frodo on a cart and carried him all the way while he battled the ring’s power?
Yes. That’s what they tried to do. That’s the fellowship. It turned out the corrupting influence and allure of power was strong enough to corrupt them and leave them infighting, that’s what Frodo realized and why he left. He didn’t even want Sam there.
Would Frodo have made it on his own? No. Killed by Gollum or turned by the ring without Sam’s friendship.
The ring is a conscious object, it consciously affects its bearers. Frodo had it around a chain, but it still affected him by being on him 24/7. The same is true if they taped it to a mouse.
Frodo had the ring for years and the ring finally managed to get a proper hold on him when it got to mordor. Sam on the other hand had the ring for a few hours and was reluctant to give it back to Frodo
Sam was not harder to corrupt than Frodo
>ring has a will of its own seeks its master at all times >isildur is carrying the ring >is waylaid and killed by a group of orcs >ring doesn't bother tempting any of the orcs to return it to its master or at least mordor >fricks around in a cave for hundreds of years
cool
I made a thread about whether the ring would tempt feanor and only got 70 replies. How is it that shitty threads like these get so many replies when the discussions are so basic. I mean morons here don't even understand how the ring works. They think there's a magic spring where the ring draws unlimited power instead of thinking of it as an extension of sauron.
>effected
Good morning sir
>efl based morono, whilst ignoring the profile pic of the moron esl, proceeds to materialize his obsession over people living on the indian subcontinent...
unhinged least deranged cleveland, ohio resident...
got you riled up good rajesh
you bit off more than you can chew with that sentence.. stick to simpler concepts
SIR
>NOOO DON'T CRITICIZE BAD WRITING IT'S LE TOLKEEN WE TALKIN ABOUT!!1
It's good writing.
Now that George Martin guy is a bad writer.
bloody benchod basterd sir
send bobs and vagen please sir madam
>sees a fantasy movie
>starts talking about the transitive property
Bugman moment
More like rhe troony property
Agreed. Frick this neohomo
Feels like this is reading too much into it. But then again I haven't seen the movies all the way through
>you can't apply film-logic to the film it appears in
moron moment
you can apply it but you can’t make it up
Why didn't they ride the mice into Mordor?
Tolkiensissies.....our response?
It's about the will of men, and the ingenuety of the Hobbits, not like Frodo became evil 1 minute after touching the ring.
gollum and his gay boy fried killed each other in an instant over it.
they were evil inside already, these 2 never left his hometown and were guillible as kids
Shut the frick up and answer the question
>uh acktually guise
fricking homosexual
Sorry, just had eye surgery. I think that picture says:
>I have no soul because I am israeli
Did I get it right?
Got it in one go Anon, good job
Ask for a refund on your surgery
Or, Sam has more willpower than Frodo.
Correct, my good sir.
>my good sir
thsi place really is reddit
The ring only works on viable wearers of the ring. A mouse could never wear the ring anyway, so it has no effect. If Frodo had carried a mouse with the ring taped to it, the ring still would have targeted Frodo.
I think its pretty much this. Remember how Galadriel got all worked up when Frodo decided to hand that ring over to her? The ring affects people indirectly, like, I dont know, a uranium stone.
Besides, by that logic, Frodo wasn't technically carrying the ring. The chain was the ring's most direct carrier so there should be a problem.
Sam, and I think it is being mentioned somewhere in the books, is too kind hearted in order to be affected as much as Frodo so this is why he had no trouble carrying Frodo, but I dont think he could have lasted as long as Frodo did as a direct ring bearer because he was always homesick and there was enough fear in him. Frodo was a bit more aloof with his past and was already familiar with the ring before that journey, therefore he was the perfect candidate.
>the ring didn't know how to handle Sam, it tried to ruin him by offering to make him the worlds gardener.
I think the ring's dark power would have scared him to the point of breaking, and in order to save himself, Sam would have tossed the ring over a random cliff and ran his ass all the way back to hobbiton and never talk about it ever again. I feel the ring somehow knew that outcome, and it was aware that if it ended up tossed and forgotten under a rock or in the bottom of a river in buttfricking nowhere, it was back to zero again. From what I remember, it took years for the ring to emerge and end up into smeagol's hands. It didn't have the luxury to go through this process again. Frodo could handle the ring because he had the right mix of being pure hearted and malevolent as bilbo.
>It didn't have the luxury to go through this process again
Why not? Sauron didn't need it to win whatsoever, he just needed it to not be destroyed. Becoming truly lost again would have been the second best option behind reclaiming it and returning it to Sauron.
there was also an 11 month gap in time between "keep it secret, keep it safe" and "FRODO DO YOU STILL HAVE THAT FRICKING RING!?" he said calmly.
I know, I have read the books. Gandalf wasnt away for a small amount of time as peter jackson's editing implies, but it was for a very long time. Frodo was slowly becoming more isolated from his fellow hobbits and more queer, but he was also staying young because the ring had its eye on him.
I thought it was 17 years, weird
It was in the books
>perfect candidate.
I guess that's way they harp on about his and Bilbo's genetic lineage (and that of the other characters), as it gives clues to how the ring uses them but then also fails to use them.
Its living thing. Not object. More ou interact with it. Directly or indirectly. More it affects you.
And it did affect Sam quite bit. For some reason it was left out of end of movie.
Sam cared more about Frodo then he did the ring and at the same time the few hours at most it was directly in his possession were enough that he almost refused to give it back to Frodo.
Frodo wasn't wearing the ring then, he was bearing it. Also Frodo was exhausted from bearing it for a million mile trek, Sam only had to bear it indirectly for like 10 minutes up the volcano or "mountain (of doom)"(Tolkien=hack).
So what if you cut off an orphans limbs and had him wear the ring? If he needs a hand to "wear" it, just pin his arm to his chest. The bodyweight of a child without limbs is less cumbersome than a rucksack, you can just strap the little moron to your back and gag him if he won't shut up.
>lose mouse in the heat of battle
>now what?
And this is why Andrew Nadeau will never be a writer.
That makes no sense.
Why do people act like the ring has defined properties and works like a toaster? It is an aspect of Sauron working his soul into the material world as an defiant act of creation in the divine sense to increase he control over those in the world free of his domination.
Autism. The Ring is a slightly abstract concept so the increasingly autistic population of our society basically can't comprehend it.
D&D brain rot where magic has to be exact science with every aspect strictly defined in exact terms
The rings first and only real purpose is to chain Sauron's spirit to Arda so he dosen't get transported to the eternal realm after "dying" as that would mean being put in a cage again.
No sir, because Sauron never intended to ever be without the Ring when he made it sir. The purpose of the Ring was Domination, something which sir, required Sauron to invest himself into it. The Ring does not in fact make him invincible: he forever lost his fair form when Numenor was destroyed, and Gollum saw he had a finger missing when being interrogated about the Ring.
His master was far stronger, and yet through the ages of exhausting his powers and acquiring injuries, was greatly disfigured and weakened permanently by the time of Beleriand's destruction, Sir. An Elf-Lord, even one that had seen the light of the Two Trees, would not have been able to give him a limp as was the case, but for Melkor's fading.
Given enough time, Sauron would also fade as his Nazgul did. The Ring would endure longer, as all the Great Rings were designed to, and it would be Sauron more than Sauron himself could sustain. Having seen what became of his master, the greatest of all Valar, Sauron would never have held any expectation of guaranteeing his own permanence even with the Ring. He simply wanted to rule over the ruin he saw as inevitable, for as long as it lasted, and this made the sacrifice required to create the Ring worth it for him.
>Zoomies are so absent from loyal friends that the idea of having a friend who will put his friendship over a selfish personal gain is an insane foreign concept to them.
>"I-It's not gay to have a friend like that. It's the ultimate kind of love. NO IT IS NOT GAY! YOU JUST DON'T HAVE REAL FRIENDS!"
>ywn give sloppy smooches to your bros after a jib well done
sad!
Sam had the ring for a bit and was tempted by it, but proved stronger/more humble than Frodo and gave the ring back after saving his master from Orcs. I assume he would have been affected by carrying Frodo up Mt.Doom later but still resisted the temptation to be Samwise Gamgee, Lord of Gardening.
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>stronger/more humble than Frodo
People really keep underselling how long Frodo held onto the damn thing and how well he otherwise did to resist corruption, not only in general, but the closer he got to the Ring's master.
The temptation increases with presence to the ring. It changed Smeagol’s entire being including his lifespan. He was a distant kin to hobbits and possibly therefore less subject to its power - otherwise it would aim to return to Sauron. Gollum's greed for the ring itself is his strongest desire. Gandalf also holds the ring, it’s not like nobody else can touch it. The problem is the longer you’re near it the more you think of reasons to use the power. Frodo also suffers from this.
The logic is that the ring couldn't understand Sam because all it really knew was power. It promised him a world of endless perfect gardens but that's not what his want was about at all and in many ways Sam didn't rejected power.
A carrier pigeon escorted by one of these things would be better.
intercepted by nazgul in 10 seconds
So? We see the Eagles utterly destroy the Nazgul and their flying beasts in RotK. The Nazgul couldn't do shit.
I always thought Sams will was very strong. He even used the ring and gave it back to Frodo. Even having thr opportunity for the ring and resisting is considered having great will. Like Gandalf and Galadrial.
Also, frick that israelite on twitter.
i dids it boss!! i postered a twitter skreenkap!!
yea thats my reaction too. woah.
but then the mouse would wear the ring as a belt and crawl up your dickhole and kill you
Why didn't they just get Larry Bird to free throw the ring into the volcano?
>Larry the Bird? Larry the Fool!
>there are is one Magic Johnson in this world, Larry the Bird, and he is not to be taken lightly
Oh look another moron who never read the books.
But he was affected by the ring. He didn't carry Frodo to avoid being tempted by the ring, he carried Frodo because Frodo was being a b***h and Sam didn't want to deal with his bullshit about who should carry the ring.
you're supposed to pretend you're moronic
Should have caved his face in with a rock and done the deed himself. That's what backstabbers and traitors deserve
>he carried Frodo because Frodo was being a b***h
Frodo is doing 24/7 wis and cha checks against the ring, he's bound to be a bit drained from the mental onslaught.
>As Sam stood there, even though the Ring was not on him but hanging by its chain about his neck, he felt himself enlarged, as if he were robed in a huge distorted shadow of himself, a vast and ominous threat halted upon the walls of Mordor. He felt that he had from now on only two choices: to forbear the Ring, though it would torment him; or to claim it, and challenge the Power that sat in its dark hold beyond the valley of shadows. Already the Ring tempted him, gnawing at his will and reason. Wild fantasies arose in his mind; and he saw Samwise the Strong, Hero of the Age, striding with a flaming sword across the darkened land, and armies flocking to his call as he marched to the overthrow of Barad-dûr. And then all the clouds rolled away, and the white sun shone, and at his command the vale of Gorgoroth became a garden of flowers and trees and brought forth fruit. He had only to put on the Ring and claim it for his own, and all this could be.
>In that hour of trial it was the love of his master that helped most to hold him firm; but also deep down in him lived still unconquered his plain hobbit-sense: he knew in the core of his heart that he was not large enough to bear such a burden, even if such visions were not a mere cheat to betray him. The one small garden of a free gardener was all his need and due, not a garden swollen to a realm; his own hands to use, not the hands of others to command.
You discount the hearts of the strong to appeal to the sense of superiority of the weak.
Wasn't Sam actually fairly strong, in this example?
It would absolutely have taken longer than 20 minutes to travel to Mordor
why didnt they just get like 10 guys and rotate who wore the ring every few minutes or hours
They would all kill each other for the ring before they got halfway
I'm sure the notoriously easy to lose, mind of it's own, evil incarnate ring would have been perfectly safe taped to a mouse
Boromir gets tempted by the ring just by looking at it
He doesn't even have to look at it. Just being near it and knowing where it is drove him insane.
What if Frodo put it in his rectum like methheads do? How would Boromir react then?
He would have pinned that little man-boy down and dug it out of his ass like any other methhead would when they found out about that little treasure trove.
Touching another male's butthole is gay though. Would Boromir be known as the owner of the Ring or as a gay butthole searcher?
He is canonically uninterested in taking a wife, and just wanted to run around with the boys having adventures and scrapping with orcs. Denethor was never going to live to see grandkids, my guy.
Faramir was straight though. Second rate grandchildren, true, but still
Yeah, but he was too focused on getting his dad to not treat him like an unwanted step-child. He would never have settled down for it while Denethor was still around to resent him.
Why didn't Gandalf just put the ring inside a mouse and then use a spell to make some marathoner forget about it existing and task him with throwing the mouse into the volcano?
I would love to be an adventurer in Middle Earth. I would go visit the Elves and get a magical scimitar then I'd go around slaying goblins with my companions. I like how grounded the world is, the only magic wizards are primordial spirits that were created to serve the gods.
The Ring does tempt Samwise though, when he gets it the Ring shows him the possibility of turning all Middle Earth into his personal garden. Sam rejects this vision.
>redditors cant see the deeper meaning
it really is quite sad
What if you put the ring to a corpse?
We live in such a clown world that the people who LIKE lord of the rings look like the actual normal chads and the people who DISLIKE it sound like the virgin nerds
the ring does understand transitive properties
but the council of rivendell also understands the ring understands the ring understands transitive properties
>drop mouse
>it runs away
>ring disappears for another thousand years
1000 years later: Middle Earth Skaven.
Its amazing some of you can still post before I bash your fricking heads in
Well done, you now have an invisible mouse
doesn't matter if you stick a billion mice on a stick and carry the ring to Mordor that what, it is impossible for the ring to be willingly destroyed at the crack of doom by anyone, if Sam attempted to do it he would have fallen victim as well
>it only takes 20 minutes to walk into Mordor and into the volcano with zero conflict
Thanks Andrew
uhhh Boromir?
hello israelite Black person did you watch the movies????
That's a big assumption. We've already seen that Sam gave up the ring willingly to Frodo once already. Did the thought that Sam is just *that* good a friend so as to find the strength to help Frodo again NOT pass this guy's mind?
>frodo asks for the ring back
>they specifically show Sam pull it away from him because he's tempted to keep it
>morons still just think Sam was never tempted
>put the ring in a sealed envelope
>form a conga line from the shire to Sammath Naur
>have them pass the envelope to one another until the last one throws it into the cracks of Doom
easy peasy
>put the ring on your wiener
>the nazgul cant get to it without becoming gay
>part of sauron's soul is literally wrapped around your wiener like a gay
checkmate, gayzguls and gayron
the ring would have taken control of the mouse
sam has already given the ring back to Frodo by this point
The Mouse would have gotten corrupted and overwhelmed them with the ring's power.
Same reason "muh eagles" shit is dumb too; if you gave the ring to an eagle it would've just fricking gotten corrupted and fricked off with the ring.
But the ring influences whatever it touches, so the mouse would feel compelled to escape whatever it was kept in. Plus it would be seen as cruel to subject an innocent creature to that as it can't willingly consent to the ordeal. that was important. That was why Frodo was so important, he was innocent and the Ring took forever to corrupt him and he willingly chose to be the ringbearer. Mouse can't do that. It'd mutate over time like Gollum did and all of Middle Earth would be afflicted with a plague of "Horrorats" or some shit, which probably carry the plague. It would be like those Plague Tale games.
On top of all that, there's nothing to suggest middle earth had invented duct tape.
Why didn't Frodo just swallow the ring and throw himself into the volcano?
The ring on dick theory still remains the best option.
REMINDER: If it's not written in the books (LotR and The Hobbit), it's not canon.
I never understood why the ring was so important. It makes you invisible, so what. It doesn't let you shoot lazers out of your eyes or punch a continent in half. It seems weak as hell. I'll fricking admit it after 20 years, i don't understand the point of it all. I don't get why everyone was keen on it.
If you were enough of a badass to take command of it, you could enthrall men to your banner and rise up with supernatural force as the next great warlord that could even overthrow Sauron himself. The Hobbits didn't have what it takes for all that, but the invisible thing was just that the ring pulls you into the realm of the spiritual. As basic little mortals without a strong presence in both the spiritual and physical worlds, they just vanish from mundane sight.
It enhances the powers that are beneficial for you specifically. This is to entice you to wanna hold onto it so it can corrupt you.
It made Frodo invisible because he was a little b***h boi who needed to hide, so the ring offered him invisibility.
>It makes you invisible, so what
Even if you just watched the movies Fellowship starts with a very visible Sauron wearing the ring you mouthbreather.
He's invisible but then he wears a suit of armour everyone can see, completely bullshit. My immersion was ruined, i walked out of the theatre
>i walked out of the theatre
Good for you. No different than capeshit really
Can someone explain how Gandalf was able to hold the ring via fire tongs through an envelope and then explain why Gandalf couldn't just tie the ring to a durable pouch and drag the ring himself?
Gandalf was fricking terrified of the ring because he knew how fricked the world would be if it got its hooks in him.
It's a job for a pleb not a nobleman like himself
Don't worry about it 🙂
You're right anon, that would've made for a much better story
NOT!!!
Tolkien spent all that time and energy toward inventing multiple languages and drawing detailed maps and thousands of years worth of lore but couldn't be bothered to proofread for plot holes to make for a plausible situation where otherwise fully rational adults, especially when all the delegates were at council discussing plans on what to do with the ring, and wouldn't make those character brainstorm all known properties and schematics of the magical, not only to understand what they're dealing with, but also to come up with ideas on how to transport it. Something so simple shouldn't be overlooked, especially considering with how rich and full all other aspects of his literary prowess is, still couldn't be bothered to check for plotholes. I mean come on, if you're going through the trouble of inventing multiple languages, why not pour some of that creative energy toward sealing plot holes?
You're right anon, that would've made for SUCH a great story instead of what we got!
Thanks for agreeing with me and NOT being a cumguzzling troony-pronoun-acknowledging homosexual!
Wait.
Not yet.
Almost.
NOW you have my permission to respond with your cope!
I accept your concession, any reply you post after this is pure cope
All that clever logic and the biden voter morons still couldn't see the vaccines for what they were.
Any leftist morons here care to explain yourselves? Your kids are going to get sick because of you, you know that right?
Not my problem. Imminent universal healthcare will take care of it
I ever find you in the street your fricked. I'll beat you ass senseless.
Say that to my face not online see what happens
A catapult?
The ring did tempt him.
Sam told it to frick off because he didn't care for what it offered
The ring would tempt anyone, but it wasn't made for people as literally dumb as Sam. Delving into his soul it came up with the best thing to tempt him with, and showed him a vision of a..big garden. "It could all be yours, with lots of little helpers to toil away at your command! J-just think of how big your..taters..will be!"
And even Sam could only shake his head at how stupid that was.
Sam wasn't stupid, he was just, from the ring's perspective, completely alien.
We know from Tolkien's notes that it would have cracked him eventually, but initially it was going through the checklist of temptation and slamming into a brick wall
>Tolkien's notes
non-canon
he sounds israeli
should i watch lord of the rings? i've never seen it. failed a book report on the hobbit back in middle school, shit was so gay
You sound like you wouldn't get it. Pass on that, homie.
The ring will literally work on people who have never touched it at all. That's the reason Frodo left the fellowship in the first place. The main reasons it targetted Frodo over Sam was because Frodo was more susceptible than sam, and more of a threat. Neither Sam nor Frodo were ideal targets for the ring, but the Ring very much needed to be recovered by Sauron, and absolutely not be destroyed. Imagine you carry a plate of McDonalds chicken nuggets. But for the sake of the world, you must not eat them. Your pal may think to himself "Damn, those are some delicious looking nuggies", and be tempted. But in the end, you're the one who has them right next to you, in your possession, at all times. Your the one who has the path of least resistence towards eating the nuggies.
This is why the ring affected Frodo, while Sam was barely affected. San was already not a particularly easy to tempt host, nor a particularly useful one, and also he had a path of resistence to get the ring (steal it, or kill frodo)
Also, this whole thing is bullshit, because Sam didn't carry frodo to avoid carrying the ring, he carried frodo because Frodo literally couldn't walk anymore.
>Summary:
Fricking homosexual.
>food comparison
american moment
Alright, I'll make one for eurogays
Imagine your tasked with not fricking a guy's ass
> not fricking a guys ass
impossible
you're*
This guy is a moron
The ring exercises power on everything around it - specifically people who have worn it
It takes strong will to resist the ring, or a pure heart that doesn’t give in to temptation
Sam was “effected” by the ring, but he loved Frodo more than the ring could effect, so he carried him - gruellingly - up a burning mountain slope with bare feet, exhausted, and not knowing if he’d live to get home
Andrew here clearly doesn’t know his lore or understand good story telling, so he can suck a dick and jerk two more off with his hands, that’ll keep his shit and ignorant opinions off the internet
>muj lotr cope
just admit JRR tolkien didn't really think his bullshit through and stop emberrasing yourself
i see you're having trouble typing there fatty
How small you are
bump
Truly a hot take. But why didn't the eagles just fly the ring to Mt. Doom?
Why do chuds get so angry when people criticise a movie about magical elfs and goblinmen. Bizarre
>magical elfs
As opposed to normal elves?
What about the mouse's tax policy?
>It's a plot hole because... IT JUST IS, OKAY?
I’m pretty sure they purposely wanted Sauron’s attention so he would be distracted from taking over Middle Earth. If they didn’t wear it the Nazgûl would terrorise Gondor and Rohan
Frodo was barely affected by the ring, it only affected him over time. That was the whole point of him carrying it, he was the mouse
He was probably still affected by it. Sam couldn't carry it for him because Frodo wouldn't let him, not because he lacked the strength. Sam had more strength to resist the thing than anyone. That's the point
Frodo was battling the ring the entire time, the only reason Sam could remain unaffected. A mouse couldn’t do that.
It doesn’t take a lot of thinking to understand this.
Could someone have put Frodo on a cart and carried him all the way while he battled the ring’s power?
Yes. That’s what they tried to do. That’s the fellowship. It turned out the corrupting influence and allure of power was strong enough to corrupt them and leave them infighting, that’s what Frodo realized and why he left. He didn’t even want Sam there.
Would Frodo have made it on his own? No. Killed by Gollum or turned by the ring without Sam’s friendship.
I hope this clarifies some things.
You’re fricking gay
More importantly, he's right.
Do we have a fantasy board?
they didn't have tape back then moron
The ring is a conscious object, it consciously affects its bearers. Frodo had it around a chain, but it still affected him by being on him 24/7. The same is true if they taped it to a mouse.
>let’s torture an animal instead of test the strength of of men
Shit skin moment
the movie didn't show that Frodo had the ring for like 20 years brainwashing him
They didn't have tape fricking moron
>the rat scurries away
Frodo had the ring for years and the ring finally managed to get a proper hold on him when it got to mordor. Sam on the other hand had the ring for a few hours and was reluctant to give it back to Frodo
Sam was not harder to corrupt than Frodo
>ring has a will of its own seeks its master at all times
>isildur is carrying the ring
>is waylaid and killed by a group of orcs
>ring doesn't bother tempting any of the orcs to return it to its master or at least mordor
>fricks around in a cave for hundreds of years
cool
err, should it jump out of the water?
>Boromir driven mad by standing too close to the ring
Thanks for playing
IF SOMEONE MENTIONS THE FRICKING EAGLES ONE MORE FRICKING TIME IM DELETING THE INTERNET
Look, get mad all you want but it's a very legitimate and blatant plot hole.
eagles can't cope with nazgulchads
>It take 100 years to the ring to middly affect a hobbit
>A hobbit haven't been affected by the ring after a 20 minutes walk
what a moron
But it did affect Sam because he was allowed to go to the Undying Lands like the other Ring Barers.
Aren't the replies on the original post enough for you? Or are you that insatiable for discourse?
it doesn't say anything about what the ring understands though, it just shows a limitation of its power. the ring could understand it fine
I made a thread about whether the ring would tempt feanor and only got 70 replies. How is it that shitty threads like these get so many replies when the discussions are so basic. I mean morons here don't even understand how the ring works. They think there's a magic spring where the ring draws unlimited power instead of thinking of it as an extension of sauron.