2099 jobbed to Miles. Wouldn't MCU Peter beat him too? He took on Thanos and beat Dr. Strange.
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2099 jobbed to Miles. Wouldn't MCU Peter beat him too? He took on Thanos and beat Dr. Strange.
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Gwen is the strongest! Transitioning takes a lot of strength and courage!
Drake Bell here, still going to call you Glen.
This is going to be a thing now isnt it?
It's how they cope
Once Cinemaphile gets triggered by something you never hear the end of it.
Does she have a cute girlpenis?
I can fap to that
I love Gwen
MILESBROS WHAT CAN WE DO?!!??!????
You say
>He took on Thanos
as if he didn't have a gank squad backing him up
That's still a bigger feat than Garfield and Tobey's movies.
nwh give him antifeats if that's the case
>Thanos can tank Hulk punches with ease
>Flinches and gets hurt to Spider-Man comboing him.
Apologize. The Iron-Spider is stupid strong and still smarter. He would've caught Miles if he joined the chase sequence.
Thanos was wearing armor when he fought Hulk and he was in just a wife beater for the rest of the movie
MCU Peter wouldn’t even join the chase sequence, he’d be against Miguel’s plan
A squad all made of women
That scene was atrocious.
Gwen is the Strongest Spid-QUACK ITS FRICKING BEYONDER SPIDER-MAN
This
Power level fighting is pointless when you got a Beyonder Spider-Man around
>Gwen is the Strongest Spid-QUACK ITS FRICKING BEYONDER SPIDER-MAN
jobs to a fricking vampire. yeah ok
Gwen couldn't even beat Renaissance Vulture to save her dad without help. She couldn't even get good hits on Spot or Olivia Ock. One of the weakest in the group, she's not even fast enough to track Miles like Peter can.
Beyonder Spidey or Captain Universe Spidey? I call bullshit on the universe-hopping vampire eating a motherfricking Beyonder Spiderman
The strongest Spider would technically be the host of "The Other".
The other is absolutely unremarkable compared to uni-power, captain Britain power, phoenix power, beyonder power and even Perfect Spider-Sense Spider-Man
It's a nothing idea by an overrated writer, expounded on by someone not fit to shine his shoes
>Perfect Spider-Sense Spider-Man
??
Those aren't really Spiders. They are cosmic characters.
The frick is the other
It still blows my mind how people don't know what jobbing means, and always care about meaningless power levels
Miguel loses to Miles for content purposes despite obviously being stronger, that's literally the definiton of jobbing. I agree with you mostly but it doesn't apply here
But Miguel didn't lose. Miles literally escaped.
Miles didn't beat anyone, he barely escaped.
If Mike Tyson fought a 5 year old cancer victim with arthritis and half a brain and she ran away, would you say the little girl won?
The little girl didn't win but Mike has to be jobbing hard to let her slip away
Miguel didn't think much of Miles and he was spazzing out at the same time, Miguel didn't job. Miguel's worst matchup is fricking Miles and it wasn't had been an issue even with the bad matchup if Miguel wasn't going fricking mad from looking at Miles, someone he seems to hate with a passion.
>Miguel loses to Miles for content purposes despite obviously being stronger
And faster
smarter
older
the leader of at least 100 Spider-Men
threatens the MC the most like Vegeta on a Tuesday,
Even gives long speeches of a "true spider warrior" thing
Jobs to a 1 1/2 year average Spider even though he had an entire army + on his own terf
And he Jobs to Spot in the vision.
He JOBBED so hard, it makes Miles believe he's actually in the top 10 most OP Spider-Men. Or this Miguel has to be the weakest 2099 variant of them all.
>miguel gays coping
Strange was obviously being nerfed by plot that entire “fight”. Compare it to when Strange is going for the kill on Thanos and it’s really easy to infer he’s just treating Peter with kiddy gloves cause he doesn’t wanna nuke his fellow partner in crime into a gorey mist over a book. It’s nowhere near as impressive as all the gymnastics and high speed travel that goes on in the Spiderverse fights.
2099 and other spiders were holding back because they don't want miles to get hurt
Miguel choke slammed him into a bus.
Miguel had Miles dead to rights for almost a full minute on the train. If Miguel wanted Miles dead, that homie would be dead.
>implying he has to go full power to capture an untrained Spider.
That only makes him look worse. If he's so fast, he should've caught Miles in the first 20 seconds of the chase on foot.
Spider-men can lift or pull busses with enough leverage dude, relatively speaking he was shaking him a bit hard
Gently. He choke slammed him gently into a bus.
Miles beat every version of Spier-Man at once, how is he not the strongest?
>beat
he just managed to run away, which is a big feat but he didn't beat them
the only smart people in this thread
Miguel
I feel like that one thats also got ghost rider's powers would be a pretty big fricking threat assuming he didn't also inherent his tendency to job constantly
>assuming he didn't also inherent his tendency to job constantly
It's a flaw of tge spirit of vengeance.
Now this is the only Ghost Spider, wtf is Spider-Gwen’s name? I know she was called Spider-Gwen in the comics and then they went “oh frick we can’t use her name” and then they call her ghost spider and it doesn’t fit and I’m confuse
Spider-Woman because having "Gwen" in the name spoils her identity. It's stupid that the cops in her universe call her Spider-Man in the movie anyway.
>Spider-Woman because having "Gwen" in the name spoils her identity. It's stupid that the cops in her universe call her Spider-Man in the movie anyway.
Jesus what’s carriage before the horse scenario, would’ve been on with Spider-Girl/Woman/Lady
They didn't plan out Phase 3 and 4 right after Endgame happened.
>guy with a tech-based suit "jobbed" to a guy with electrical powers
Sure, it was jobbing and not just the logical effects of the matchup.
This is why powerlevels are stupid and the people who analyse them are morons.
>Sure, it was jobbing and not just the logical effects of the matchup.
>treating it like a pokemon matchup and not a battle of intelligence
Any other Peter would've prepared for that situation. 2099 even had preptime. Did he never observed any variant of Electro to shockproof the suit?
Takuya has a giant robot.
Was he even in the movie?
They'd have to do research to know about an Emissary of Hell.
A Christian country like America would never approve of a demon lord Spider-man.
YEAH YEAH YEAH WOW
Just once I want the jaded anti-hero to win against the naive main character
comic Miles held onto the Enigma Force for 5 minutes one time, so him
God I'm glad my brain isn't rotted by power level wank.
Miles didn't take a bunch of spiders in a physical fight. He escaped within an inch of his life. You guys are moronic.
Miles is the bestest most powerful smartest Spider-Man of all time and the only one who actually wants to find a solution to save people because he’s so great.
That's what most people are starting to agree to. Miles is in the top 10 strongest Spider-Men and it's becoming more undeniable.
2099 was the strongest in the 90s and has been surpassed by many others.
Based on FEATS IN THEIR MOVIES IN NO ORDER
>S Tier
MCU-Man
Tobey-Man
Garfield-Man
>A tier
The Peter that died in ITSV
Peter B
Miles
Gweb
>B
Spider-Ham
Spider=Punk
Noir
2099
>C
Indian Spider-Man
Peni
Tobey Spiderman should be above MCU. He overpowered him in the last movie. Dude can literally stop a train with his body after fighting Doc Ock. (Same Doc Ock slapped mcu Peter around easily)
Like I said it's in no order any of the live action spider-men would've bodied the spider verse characters
He didn't beat Dr. Strange in a 1v1.
And he got owned by street-level villains like Goblin. MCU beat Goblin when he didn't hold back.
Equating escaping and being able to beat leads to ridiculous conclusions. 2099 is stronger than Miles, narratively we can tell that since Miles is both intimidated by 2099 and runs from him. Being able to escape Miguel was due to outsmarting him (also help from the sympathetic cast like when Gwen(?) webbed someone about to attack Miles' blindside and Peter talked to him instead of capturing him). If you think outsmarting and escaping means someone is stronger than another, do you also think that MCU Peter is stronger than the Dr. Strange because he was able to trick him and escape using math?
>Equating escaping and being able to beat leads to ridiculous conclusions
You got your mind stuck on Death Battle.
The point of 1v1 matchups is to use their intellect to fight, not feats or powers. Miguel may seem stronger, but he isn't very intelligent like other Spiders, or for Miles case, cunning. Whenever a Spider meets a villain he can't out-punch (like Hulk or Hydro-Man) he has to outsmart them. Here Miles won on Miguel's own terf, using his own machine, and outrunning his personal army. In a real Death Battle, Miles would've outsmarted Miguel to his own death because Miguel obviously underestimated the kid with "no plan".
>Miles would've outsmarted Miguel to his own death because Miguel obviously underestimated the kid with "no plan".
I understand your point, but these situations aren't analogous. Firstly if it was a fight to the death rather than just to detain Miles, Miguel would likely be more cautious of what Miles can do. He would also be more ruthless, such as when he had him pinned on the train. In a real fight getting pinned like that is pretty much over, Miguel could kill Miles faster than Miles could activate his Venom Blast. Cunning can only go so far, and in this case it got Miles his win condition of being able to make it to the dimensional portal, but saying if the win condition was different he could use that same cunning to kill Miguel is falling into a no limits fallacy. I may juke out a tiger if it backs me into a corner, but that doesn't mean I'll "outsmart" it enough to break its neck or whatever. Different win conds rely on different strengths. Miles doesn't have anything in his arsenal that could put Miguel down permanently, while Miguel does.
I get it. Right now, it looks like a stalemate between the two. It could've ended with Miles being pushed to the edge, absorbing all of 2099's suit energy and then blasting both of them while Miguel bites into his neck, killing them both. The same Miles that tanked Kingpin's combos, fought dirty by attacking Olivia Ock while being invisible, and then beat Spot twice on his first encounters. (When in canon, Spot is supposed to beat Spider-Man).
As of Miguel, sure, he'd be ruthless but he relies on brute force instead of tactics. He fights like Venom and we know how that goes. When is he ever cautious?
Tobey beat the shit out of Green Goblin once he stopped holding back. That was also him in Spider-Man 1! He didn't need an Iron Man suit to do it either. Literally had Goblin begging on the floor. MCU Peter on the otherhand got easily slapped around by Doc Ock and got overpowered by Tobey Peter. Tobey Peter wasn't even putting his all in it either.
Jesus is this what reddit talks about all day? Frick me, they are literally the same character
yeah but one's stronger.
ah yes he overpowered someone who was dropped through a fricking building, tackled by a glider. tanked a fricking pumpkin bomb. And fried by electro.
>Garfield-Man
What feats put him in S?
Miguel didn't job, he underestimated Miles while in a berserk state.He was beating his ass into the ground with pure fricking rage until his tech suit got overloaded by Miles. So I am gonna go with Miguel since all the other Spiderpeople has fallen in line under him.
>2099 jobbed to Miles
That's okay, Miles lost something to 2099 that day too
Oy vey! My Spider-boy is gay!
MILES homosexualS!!!!!!
KNEEL
>Its miles from this reality. I mean just look at that fricking drip man. That majority red costume better be an option in spider man 2.
Miles is the most OP as can be seen in his evergrowing power
In the comics it’s either Mr. Universe or Miggy since Miggy could lift Thor’s hammer
Miguel's powerset is objectively weaker than the average Spider (no spider-sense even), since back when he was created it wasn't really a dick measuring contest. Nowadays with characters like Miles or other legacy teenage characters I guess the writers feel obligated to make them baseline more powerful than the originals because... it will make them more likeable, I guess?
>no spider-sense
That would explain how he took got kicked on the train when Miles telegraphed it from very far away. Peter would've dodged that. MCU Spider would've countered that. Miguel used to be the strongest but definitely got surpassed by new spiders.
No, it's just plot convenience. Gwen has a spider-sense yet she also got caught from behind by Renaissance Vulture.
>Peter would've dodged that. MCU Spider would've countered that
Spider-Sense isn't perfect, otherwise Peter would just never get hit
Spider-Sense strength depends on the Spider-Man. Tobey and MCU's are top tier near future vision for them. MCU's can do it with his eyes closed. Andrew gets beaten up all the time and is too slow to be guaranteed to save others with it.
vMiles has near-perfect Spider-sense to out sense every other Spider in a building. Check the scene when he jumps down the factory again while every other spider gets filtered out by the machinery.
>Spider-Sense strength depends on the Spider-Man.
No, it depends on plot convenience.
You do know that some Spiders can detect even villains that are supposed to be undetectable like Spot, Venom, and Sandman right? It's consistent on the character.
False
>Miguel's powerset is objectively weaker than the average Spider
>actual webs in his arms
>fangs that knock you out
>claws that frick you up
>cap and Doom’s best friend
And Miguel make up for the lack of Spider-sense with superior reflexes and being a legit telepath.
>Miguel's powerset is objectively weaker than the average Spider (no spider-sense even)
>Has infinite organic webbing
>Talons on hands and feet that can cut through damn near anything
>Fangs that secrete a paralyzing venom (so powerful that it affected 2099 Submariner)
>No spider-sense because allof his senses are enhanced to the point that he sees in 360 degrees
>Telepathy
>Retinas have built-in nightvision, thermal vision, and can even see energy/radio waves
>He is canonically so fast that he leaves afterimages of himself
>Just as physically strong as Peter
Weaker powerset compared to Miles maybe, but compared to the average Spider? Definitely not.
The only thing Miles have going for him is the bullshit Venom Blast. Physically, he seem weaker than your average 616 Spider since he is from the weaker Ultimate universe.
Yeah the venom blast has been his get out of jail free card for like forever now. It's pretty annoying. But at least the movie showed Miguel tanking it like it was nothing.
Based Miggy is undefeated
>Peter's spider-sense goes off whenever someone is going to curse around a minor
Cute!
That is completely false.
The definition of "jobbed" is getting really ridiculous. It's not like he was unconscious. He got zapped and lost his grip.
He didn't need to kill or capture him. All he had to do was punish him enough to be a stalemate and not humiliate himself to the one he's talking down to. He said he's a real "spider-man". He pulled a Vegeta moment. Thus he jobbed and got himself disrespect.
Earth 1999999?
That the mcu one?
I thought that was earth 616?
Or is this just spiderverse movement and earth 616 the one miles is in?
Peter B. Parker is from earth 616 in Spider-Verse
Miles beating him so effortlessly was one of the many things wrong with the film. Coulda been something to play out in part 2. Just solved too easily too early
Miles is a bad Spider-Man cause he's not a daredevil or a slacker like Peter. He just busts out the taser and wins
>or a slacker like Peter
You do realize, Peter B. Parker was the ONLY one to capture Miles right? And he's obviously holding back with a baby in his arms. If Peter gone serious, Miles wouldn't even make it out of the building without broken arms.
Whos that in bed? Kingpin?
Do you seriously think Wilson Fisk could fit in a standard-issue hospital bed? Or that he would want to be put out of his misery like this?
answer the question you dumb frick.
Peter B. Parker is a BEAST with a baby.
>beating him
He zapped him away and ran, and even then Miguel was only moments away from ripping him out of the Go Home Machine and beating his ass again
>Effortlessly
Dude literally got his ass beat for multiple minutes near the end of the chase sequence and only “won” by zapping him off of him and escaping via invisibility. I genuinely want to know what would have made that encounter less “effortless” while still having him escape.
>ctrl+f hog
>ctrl+f pig
>no results
how can a whole thread of you homies be so wrong?
Strongest movie Spider-Man is Tobey, if we're talking about comics then I don't really know, there are way too many Spider-People
>Strongest movie Spider-Man is Tobey
No
And who's your pick?
Toby Spider-Man has had the greatest show of strength of any non extra powered up spider.
picrel is the officially-recognized strongest version of spiderman
>leopardon jobbing in the comics
67 Spider-Man (end of episode)
Why didn't they even bother having Holland show up after name dropping him?
Having Holland there would easily double their movie budget, do you know how expensive that British twink is?
I started to read Mile’s comics since I liked the movies and holy fricking shit are they lame as frick. The comic version of Aaron is a fricking fedora tipping neck beard. I have no fricking idea how they managed to make him as cool and menacing as he was in the movies when THIS is what they were working with.
Because you're seeing his daytime persona
>Miles had bad comics, great movies
>Hulk has good comics, bad MCU movies
There was a trade-off. But maybe it's also because Sony writes better capeshit than Disney.
From what I can tell Miguel is right, isn't he? I mean, assuming this is a real dilemma with actual consequences and stakes it sounds like he's doing the right thing. I didn't hear anyone pose a rebuttal to him besides "I'm do my own thang" and "I'm spiderman". So why shouldn't I root for him? Why should I consider him the bad guy?
I mean, if canon events can be broken safely such as how Gwens cop father isn't going to die anymore then I don't see why an anomaly can't engrain itself so much into a reality that it is no longer a threat to universal stability
but in that case even she doesn't believe it or else she wouldn't have helped miguel
him not being captain is the canon event. When Gwen leaves with Miguel and the other lady, the little watch says like "canon protected" or some shit confirming that the canon event wasn't disturbed. If him not being captain changes the canon, Miguel would have gotten Gwen first and THEN gone to Miles' universe.
>assuming this is a real dilemma with actual consequences and stakes it sounds like he's doing the right thing.
If you didnt figure it out, there aren't any consequences and stakes beyond "im spider-man, ima do mah own thing". Unless they go the "saving miles dad ends up killing miles mom to avoid reality shitting itself" or "because miles and the spot, their entire universe is anomalous and thus exempt from spiderverse canon" or some shit to justify miles saving his dad.
Of course, this means that free will is fricked in all universes but Miles, but hey they wrote themselves into that hole
Free will was kind of fricked the moment they wrote themselves a multiverse
>free will is fricked in all universes but Miles, but hey they wrote themselves into that hole
Kinda ruins the point of capeshit if they justify being a hero as running a script to whatever the writers want them to do. They could go even more meta to have Spot vs Miles in the MCU or the "real world" just to have someone at Marvel rewrite the script and force the canon to be whatever they want.
>Why should I consider him the bad guy?
I don't think we need to consider Miguel a "bad guy" since thats running into simplifying the conflict too much. Its nuanced, and we are supposed to see it as a nuanced decision. Neither Miles nor Miguel are bad per se with the information they are working with, but rather they are seeing things from different perspectives. They drew different, reasonable conclusions from the foggy information they had. I don't think the movie is trying to tell you Miguel is 100% bad, more that since its shot from Miles' perspective we don't get to sympathize/empathize with his position as much. Had we had as long with Miguel's family that got dusted as we had with Miles, then the emotional weights would be clearer for the viewer.
>I mean, if canon events can be broken safely such as how Gwens cop father isn't going to die anymore
I think this might be jumping to conclusions. Gwen might THINK this saves her father, but until we get confirmation by him showing up alive at the end of the 3rd movie, we can't be certain that he won't get final destination'd anyway.
Nobody considers Miguel a bad guy. Just misguided and unable to look past his own trauma. The dude spent months living the life of his dead counterpart and is just assuming “canon” is the reason why that reality went to shit.
Also he’s treating Miles as the biggest threat when IMO Spot should be priority number 1.
Me. I've never lost a fight.
I enjoyed Miguel for his personality.
tobey spiderman is obviously the strongest
>Nerd
>Didn't even know AT-AT's
I hate this meme.
Do you guys think Miguel played with Gwen's future wiener? Like he could gently flick it and massage Gwen's trans balls. I'm sure 2099 has had his way with Gwen's boissy once or twice.