He's not even really sleazy, he's a pretty moral guy compared to most of the people around him. Which fits Chandler's idea of "down these mean streets a man must go who is not himself mean".
>Mitchum was too old
That's the entire point. He's all washed up. Circling the drain. It adds an entirely different spin on the whole story. It was kino. You got filtered.
luv me mitchum too, he's so old and tired looking but i like his movies.
farewell my lovely in particular doesn't get enough love, if it wasn't for chinatown, this would probably be more loved cause the 40s sets are so damn good. no idea why they dropped it in the sequel.
I'm watching Murder, My Sweet right now and Dick Powell is doing a great job, which is why I made this thread. Just watched Liam Neeson's Marlowe a couple days ago, he does a pretty good job too. Elliot Gould's version is iconic for the "nice guy if you don't push him too far" thing. Bogart is classic of course but it's kind of hard for me to separate the myth of Bogart from the character when I watch The Big Sleep. Mitchum does a great world-weary take.
Can't remember shit from Murder my sweet, Bogart always plays the same character in every single movie except for Sierra Madre, Gould is simply kino, Mitchum was too old
>Mitchum was too old
That's the entire point. He's all washed up. Circling the drain. It adds an entirely different spin on the whole story. It was kino. You got filtered.
You can be washed up and weary and whatever else you can think of without being decrepit and barely walking on your legs. That's the truth. Now, Out of The Past... Kino.
God that's such an underrated film. If only Henry Fonda won an Oscar earlier in his career and didn't need the make-up award - Lancaster should have won for this.
Gould was the best Marlowe. He had the wit, the grit, and the morals of Marlowe down pat. The first few minutes of him grumbling along at 3am were enough to sell me on him right away. And then to top it off there's this great exchange at the end of the movie. >Cops have me legally dead. Augustine's got his money; he's not looking for me anymore. I got a girl that loves me. She's got more money than Sylvia and Augustine put together. The hell, nobody cares. >Yeah. Nobody cares but me. >Well, that's you, Marlowe. You'll never learn. You're a born loser. >Yeah, I even lost my cat.
The whole ending to The Long Goodbye 1973 was so much better than the book's ending. It's just a shame the movie is marred by overuse of the music motifs and some bizarre plot holes.
Dick Powell is great in this, although of course the writing does a lot of the heavy lifting >Have you got a key to the beach house? >But you said... >I bowed out. I stopped. He thinks it's over. That doesn't stop anything. These things don't work like that. Okay, so I go hide under the covers. Do the police stop? Does Helen stop? Do you stop? >What do you mean, "Does Helen stop?" >I don't know. If I always knew what I meant, I'd be a genius.
I think Bogart dd a better job as Sam Spade than as Philip Marlowe cause Marlowe is more of a softy than Spade and the Big Sleep filmmakers didn't give Bogart much of a chance to show that softer side. Plus Bogart is so iconic that it's kinda hard to see him as anything other than purely cool and invincible. Marlowe gets knocked around a lot.
Chinatown 1974
Cry Danger 1951
Dead Reckoning 1947
Farewell, My Lovely 1975
His Kind of Woman 1951
Kiss Me Deadly 1955
Kiss Tomorrow Goodbye 1950
Laura 1944
Le Deuxième Souffle 1966
Le Doulos 1963
Le Samouraï 1967
Murder My Sweet 1944
Out of the Past 1947
Panique 1946
Pickup on South Street 1953
Ride the Pink Horse 1947
The Asphalt Jungle 1950
The Big Heat 1953
The Big Sleep (pre release)
The Killers 1946
The Killing 1956
The Maltese Falcon 1941
This Gun for Hire 1942
To Have and Have Not 1944
Where the Sidewalk Ends 1950
I want to do it to, it means I have to learn how to be incredibly perceptive about human nature and also always suspicious of everyone but while having a moral compass. I already have the moral compass to some extent but having spent the last 8 years being a software developer, my ability to read human nature has grown a bit rusty, not that it was ever great to begin with. But maybe I can work on that.
I'm not a big fan of it but I thought it wasn't quite as bad as the reviews said. My main problem with it is the ending, I don't think Marlowe would be ok with wrapping things up like that.
I don't understand the plots of most of these noirs unless I rewatch them or I watch them with the subtitles on and I keep going back to the previous scene until I know what the frick happened, but I sure do love watching them
Yeah apparently Raymond Chandler didn't either >Probably the best-known remark about the famously scrambled plot of “The Big Sleep” belongs to Raymond Chandler, author of the novel on which the 1946 movie was based. Asked who killed the Sternwoods’ chauffeur, a key murder left unsolved at the movie’s end, Chandler replied: “I don’t know.”
The streets are my mistress, cold and hard and you can't trust them when the sun comes up but sometimes you might see a pretty flower by the roadside at 4 am when the gin is running like blood out of a bullet wound
For me it's Elliott Gould, yeah he's israeli but damn does he play a sleazy detective well
He's not even really sleazy, he's a pretty moral guy compared to most of the people around him. Which fits Chandler's idea of "down these mean streets a man must go who is not himself mean".
Love me Elliott Gould, love me Robert Mitchum
luv me mitchum too, he's so old and tired looking but i like his movies.
farewell my lovely in particular doesn't get enough love, if it wasn't for chinatown, this would probably be more loved cause the 40s sets are so damn good. no idea why they dropped it in the sequel.
>no idea why they dropped it in the sequel.
they had a budget of about 50 dollars
Mitchum
I'm watching Murder, My Sweet right now and Dick Powell is doing a great job, which is why I made this thread. Just watched Liam Neeson's Marlowe a couple days ago, he does a pretty good job too. Elliot Gould's version is iconic for the "nice guy if you don't push him too far" thing. Bogart is classic of course but it's kind of hard for me to separate the myth of Bogart from the character when I watch The Big Sleep. Mitchum does a great world-weary take.
Can't remember shit from Murder my sweet, Bogart always plays the same character in every single movie except for Sierra Madre, Gould is simply kino, Mitchum was too old
>Gould is simply israelite
>Mitchum was too old
That's the entire point. He's all washed up. Circling the drain. It adds an entirely different spin on the whole story. It was kino. You got filtered.
You can be washed up and weary and whatever else you can think of without being decrepit and barely walking on your legs. That's the truth. Now, Out of The Past... Kino.
>You can be washed up and weary and whatever else you can think of without being decrepit and barely walking on your legs.
Yeah but it's not as kino. Check out pic related. It's another "old man with nothing to lose" kino.
God that's such an underrated film. If only Henry Fonda won an Oscar earlier in his career and didn't need the make-up award - Lancaster should have won for this.
No one ever talks about it. I didn't even know it existed until two days ago. It is kino.
>Atlantic City
>Cry Danger
Looks like I have two new movies to check out
>"old man with nothing to lose" kino.
Also on the topic of Robert Mitchum. One of my favorite Neo Noirs.
>Who's your favorite Philip Marlowe?
Gould was the best Marlowe. He had the wit, the grit, and the morals of Marlowe down pat. The first few minutes of him grumbling along at 3am were enough to sell me on him right away. And then to top it off there's this great exchange at the end of the movie.
>Cops have me legally dead. Augustine's got his money; he's not looking for me anymore. I got a girl that loves me. She's got more money than Sylvia and Augustine put together. The hell, nobody cares.
>Yeah. Nobody cares but me.
>Well, that's you, Marlowe. You'll never learn. You're a born loser.
>Yeah, I even lost my cat.
The whole ending to The Long Goodbye 1973 was so much better than the book's ending. It's just a shame the movie is marred by overuse of the music motifs and some bizarre plot holes.
>Gould was the best Marlowe.
> It's just a shame the movie is marred by overuse of the music motifs and some bizarre plot holes.
I mean that's Altman. The Long Goodbye is both a great film and a weird hard to follow film because of Altman's style.
I would have loved to have seen Gould play Marlowe again maybe with a more conventional director.
Maybe 86 year old Gould could Reprise the role for a movie set I. The 90s?
Dick Powell is great in this, although of course the writing does a lot of the heavy lifting
>Have you got a key to the beach house?
>But you said...
>I bowed out. I stopped. He thinks it's over. That doesn't stop anything. These things don't work like that. Okay, so I go hide under the covers. Do the police stop? Does Helen stop? Do you stop?
>What do you mean, "Does Helen stop?"
>I don't know. If I always knew what I meant, I'd be a genius.
>I don't know. If I always knew what I meant, I'd be a genius.
He's literally me.
My favorite Powell flick is Cry Danger.
It's kind of funny that Arnold and Stallone both had bit parts in 1970s noirs based on Raymond Chandler novels
Bogey.
I think Bogart dd a better job as Sam Spade than as Philip Marlowe cause Marlowe is more of a softy than Spade and the Big Sleep filmmakers didn't give Bogart much of a chance to show that softer side. Plus Bogart is so iconic that it's kinda hard to see him as anything other than purely cool and invincible. Marlowe gets knocked around a lot.
I'm gonna download and watch all these films the. Start acting like neonoir detective
Chinatown 1974
Cry Danger 1951
Dead Reckoning 1947
Farewell, My Lovely 1975
His Kind of Woman 1951
Kiss Me Deadly 1955
Kiss Tomorrow Goodbye 1950
Laura 1944
Le Deuxième Souffle 1966
Le Doulos 1963
Le Samouraï 1967
Murder My Sweet 1944
Out of the Past 1947
Panique 1946
Pickup on South Street 1953
Ride the Pink Horse 1947
The Asphalt Jungle 1950
The Big Heat 1953
The Big Sleep (pre release)
The Killers 1946
The Killing 1956
The Maltese Falcon 1941
This Gun for Hire 1942
To Have and Have Not 1944
Where the Sidewalk Ends 1950
Not the anon you're responding to, but looks like a good list, am adding the ones I haven't seen to my list
I want to do it to, it means I have to learn how to be incredibly perceptive about human nature and also always suspicious of everyone but while having a moral compass. I already have the moral compass to some extent but having spent the last 8 years being a software developer, my ability to read human nature has grown a bit rusty, not that it was ever great to begin with. But maybe I can work on that.
Liam Neeson. Mostly because i'm fourteen and have never watched any other b&w movies in full
What's the Liam Neeson movie?
Don't even bother. It's hot garbage and looks weird and digital.
I'm not a big fan of it but I thought it wasn't quite as bad as the reviews said. My main problem with it is the ending, I don't think Marlowe would be ok with wrapping things up like that.
Thanks. It completely slipped my radar.
"Marlowe" released in 2022
https://imdb.com/title/tt6722802/
The lanky 70's israelite had a haggard look that I affiliat with.
I don't understand the plots of most of these noirs unless I rewatch them or I watch them with the subtitles on and I keep going back to the previous scene until I know what the frick happened, but I sure do love watching them
I've watched The Big Sleep three times and I still don't know what the hell is going on.
Yeah apparently Raymond Chandler didn't either
>Probably the best-known remark about the famously scrambled plot of “The Big Sleep” belongs to Raymond Chandler, author of the novel on which the 1946 movie was based. Asked who killed the Sternwoods’ chauffeur, a key murder left unsolved at the movie’s end, Chandler replied: “I don’t know.”
After two reads of the book it makes a lot more sense. There is so much happening in the movie too fast, unfortunately
Murder, My Sweet seems to be kind of a masterclass in how to bluff people into telling you things they didn't expect to want to tell you
The streets are my mistress, cold and hard and you can't trust them when the sun comes up but sometimes you might see a pretty flower by the roadside at 4 am when the gin is running like blood out of a bullet wound
the middle one is a gay