homer was literally a subversion of the classic patriarch dad who was the firm leader of the family
it was interesting because homer was everything the ideal dad was not, and contrasted with his bouts of genuine sincerity when he could push his gluttony and sloth aside
he was, effectively, a more realistic and nuanced take on a father figure, with virtues that occasionally rise past his vices
https://i.imgur.com/lDRQzKC.jpg
Why are cartoon dads so shit? The wife always ends up being the MVP.
women being the level-headed member of the duo isnt exactly a modern thing
this is just complaining that cartoons, get this, exaggerate it for comedic purposes
>ha ha yes US are the strongest country in the world >ahhhh foiled by soviet spies
I don't doubt for a second that soviets tried what they could to spread that influnce, but all these yuri bezimenov stories sound as if the US never heard of counter intelligence. It's just insulting.
Early Homer was much more nuanced, he may be a dumb 40-something with defects but actually gave a frick and felt human, on top of the rest of the family feeling more grounded, and actually could get the upperhand sometimes.
It's sort of a cheat code that non-American studios use. Countries all over are used to seeing American shows, so If you just make an American show it's more likely to catch on overseas.
>I never see this in European or Japanese media.
have you ever seen case closed?
the great kogoro mori is a rude, crass, reckless, alcoholic who needs to be babysat by his own offspring and whose pride, ego, and temperament has estranged him from his own wife
while he does have moments of genuine competency, usually when his family is in danger, he still wouldnt have half his glory if it wasnt for conan
You dense motherfricker. European cartoons and anime crank this trope up to 11. You never see this in European or Japanese media? You never saw them to begin with.
The wife, in addition to looking way better than the husband, is usually wiser, more compassionate, wittier, more patient, and overall smarter than her hubby.
You guys might too zoomer to know, but for a long time since the early dawn of Television, most TV sitcoms and TV shows had strong male role models and a lot of "Father Knows Best" that embodied the whole 1950's 'strong father' archtype. You had "Leave it to Beaver", and even to the 70's and early 80's with Full House and Cosby Show, etc.
In the 1980's-1990's you had the beginning of a reversal, a kind of rejection of that- with doltish dads, and absolutely negative portrayal- from dolts like Homer, to sadsack pathetic like "Married With Children", and beyond, almost every Sitcom post 90's and most animated TV shows showcased fathers as pathetic. It's a rejection/anger based reversal from the Boomer/Post Boomer crowds of their 'overbearing' fathers from the 40's.
It wont likely snap back to good, strong parental rolemodels. Everyone's still rebelling againts authority and paternal figures.
>It wont likely snap back to good, strong parental rolemodels.
Late 90s and the 2000s had better role models start popping up in small handfuls of kid cartoons.
It's pretty much a universal rule in all TV shows that father figures are dumb and weak and all mothers are wise and strong. This has been with us since sitcoms were a thing. Not sure if it's a case of art imitating life or life eventually imitating art.
Isn’t Pete the one who made the family money for most of their marriage? Seems fairly even handed to me.
Peggy is most certainly not smarter than Hank
Peggy joined a cult.
Hank might not notice tricksters at first but when given extra information from trusted sources, he realizes the mistakes he made and immediately fixes them.
Hank ended up paying sticker price for his car, something everybody calls him out on. Then there’s the terrible job he’s doing raising Bobby.
Peggy is a teacher for a reason.
Hank might not notice tricksters at first but when given extra information from trusted sources, he realizes the mistakes he made and immediately fixes them.
What's your agenda? No seriously what the frick do you want to happen after posting the same misandrist bullshit for almost a year? Like people don't know "the bumbling husband, hot level headed wife" was a trope to complain about for years. Do you want both wife and husband to be the same? That will be boring. Roles reversed? Prepare to get crucified. The funny thing is this trope doesn't really cover most cartoon dads, which really shows me you never watched these shows to begin with.
Now shove your anti male simping up your ass, you cuck.
The thing that is always hilarious about Industrycuck is his relationship with Helluva Boss. Helluva boss has: >A broken relationship that is created through infidelity >LGBT whatever themes and characters >Lore and plot >Adult themes and situations >A mostly unhappy cast of characters
All things that he has claimed to like in cartoons in the past, yet he hates it with a burning passion. Probably for stupid reasons like Millie and Moxxie are a happy couple.
If the father is useless/a baffoon, it's probably a comedy show
If the father is anything else it's probably not a comedy.
So just stop watching comedies.
This is all Disney gays in general for the longest time. Did you know people actually think the men from Kim Possible are actually chads?
Propaganda from hollywood.
Just like howevery portrayal of country or southern people is negative to the point nazi leftist say "Ya'll" and "Folks" despite never leaving LA or Newyork.
Sitcoms always did this.
Bob's Burgers is the only cartoon brave enough to show reality that women are stupid and it's the husband actually getting shit done.
Because a competent character in a position of power would foil most of plots. As that old pharse goes "all of this coouldve been averted if little johnny when straight to the police". Common sense is the enemy of most plots today.
Just like howevery portrayal of country or southern people is negative to the point nazi leftist say "Ya'll" and "Folks" despite never leaving LA or Newyork.
Sitcoms always did this.
Bob's Burgers is the only cartoon brave enough to show reality that women are stupid and it's the husband actually getting shit done.
>Just like howevery portrayal of country or southern people is negative to the point nazi leftist say "Ya'll" and "Folks" despite never leaving LA or Newyork.
Southern people suck anon.
>Bob's Burgers is the only cartoon brave enough to show reality that women are stupid and it's the husband actually getting shit done.
Maybe in the first few seasons, but ever since season 5 or so Bob's character somehow did a 180 and he became defined by being a weak, permissive doormat that never disciplines his bratty kids or his wife.
>Pete: Has anyone see the keys to my chastity cage!? >Scratch: Why the frick are you wearing a chastity cage? >Pete: Sharon’s boyfriend put me on time out again!
Trying to find a chad dad in a cartoon is like trying to find a woman that has interests besides social issues, Lefty politics and gay shipping, they exist but I can’t seem to find them
It's a comedic subversion of how in old timey shows the dad was always a perfect infallible god.
Albeit one that's become so prolific it's just become the norm instead of a subversion of anything.
As lefty as Steven Universe is they still manage to make a good dad. He seems like he is a bit of a deadbeat since he lives out of a van, but he supports financially and defends his son even against shit he has no chance of beating. The worst thing he does in the show is pretends to be hurt so he can spend more time with him.
One of the only decent things that came from that shit show.
Homer Simpson started an endless trend of dumbass dads in cartoons.
Homer is actually a good character, how did everyone else go to shit?
Homer hasn't been a "good character" since "The Computer Wore Menace Shoes". Maybe "Simple Simpson" if we're being generous.
homer was literally a subversion of the classic patriarch dad who was the firm leader of the family
it was interesting because homer was everything the ideal dad was not, and contrasted with his bouts of genuine sincerity when he could push his gluttony and sloth aside
he was, effectively, a more realistic and nuanced take on a father figure, with virtues that occasionally rise past his vices
women being the level-headed member of the duo isnt exactly a modern thing
this is just complaining that cartoons, get this, exaggerate it for comedic purposes
Did it ruin a generation of millennial dads?
Gen X, boomer, millennial, all dads really.
Yes.
"Subversion" by commies has destroyed us.
Shit there are reciepts from the Kremlin back in the 1920's proving spys were in America.
Good. I love communism anyways.
>Good. I love communism anyways.
not going to live in your society built with an idelogy founded by israelites
>ha ha yes US are the strongest country in the world
>ahhhh foiled by soviet spies
I don't doubt for a second that soviets tried what they could to spread that influnce, but all these yuri bezimenov stories sound as if the US never heard of counter intelligence. It's just insulting.
I thought it was fred flinstones
Fred was an early catalyst like Honeymooners Ralph was. It wasn't a direct line from homer simpson to the stereotype
Early Homer was much more nuanced, he may be a dumb 40-something with defects but actually gave a frick and felt human, on top of the rest of the family feeling more grounded, and actually could get the upperhand sometimes.
yeah but this guy's a pussy. like all the time.
I want to pull Sharon McGee's finger
wtf bro
She could have done so much better
>BRO LESBIANS
>WHO ARE KNOWN TO HAVE A HIGHER RATE OF DOMESTIC ABUSE
Not true
Cope some more butch
We live in apost truth society.
1984 was supposed to be a warning.
That's not what that study said.
Hot af
It really is. We could have had it all.
We were robbed.
We really were. Imagine how based if Sharon was a lesbian.
I hope artist do their job and bless us with their art.
They better.
What's the appeal of Sharon compared to those 2?
Phat ass
Her feelings
Why isn’t lesbians freeing battered housewives more popular?
>wedding dress
My weakness
Lesbians always look good in wedding dresses
Because lesbians are the couples with the most domestic abuse.
False
You're not an interesting person.
its what americans find funny
Why is it such an American thing? I never see this in European or Japanese media.
Gumball is an European show.
WAIT ITS FRICKING EUROPEAN!??!?!
From the uk I think.
It's sort of a cheat code that non-American studios use. Countries all over are used to seeing American shows, so If you just make an American show it's more likely to catch on overseas.
>I never see this in European or Japanese media.
have you ever seen case closed?
the great kogoro mori is a rude, crass, reckless, alcoholic who needs to be babysat by his own offspring and whose pride, ego, and temperament has estranged him from his own wife
while he does have moments of genuine competency, usually when his family is in danger, he still wouldnt have half his glory if it wasnt for conan
You dense motherfricker. European cartoons and anime crank this trope up to 11. You never see this in European or Japanese media? You never saw them to begin with.
this again?
Based transformers poster
MVP of what? Just because you want to frick some ugly stick figure or fat blob doesn't make them funny or good characters
The wife, in addition to looking way better than the husband, is usually wiser, more compassionate, wittier, more patient, and overall smarter than her hubby.
You guys might too zoomer to know, but for a long time since the early dawn of Television, most TV sitcoms and TV shows had strong male role models and a lot of "Father Knows Best" that embodied the whole 1950's 'strong father' archtype. You had "Leave it to Beaver", and even to the 70's and early 80's with Full House and Cosby Show, etc.
In the 1980's-1990's you had the beginning of a reversal, a kind of rejection of that- with doltish dads, and absolutely negative portrayal- from dolts like Homer, to sadsack pathetic like "Married With Children", and beyond, almost every Sitcom post 90's and most animated TV shows showcased fathers as pathetic. It's a rejection/anger based reversal from the Boomer/Post Boomer crowds of their 'overbearing' fathers from the 40's.
It wont likely snap back to good, strong parental rolemodels. Everyone's still rebelling againts authority and paternal figures.
>It wont likely snap back to good, strong parental rolemodels.
Late 90s and the 2000s had better role models start popping up in small handfuls of kid cartoons.
It's pretty much a universal rule in all TV shows that father figures are dumb and weak and all mothers are wise and strong. This has been with us since sitcoms were a thing. Not sure if it's a case of art imitating life or life eventually imitating art.
>"Come on! Why won't this door open?! I feel like I'm gonna pop!"
Disney is especially bad about this looking at their 2000s slate. And it’s getting worse with the 2020s.
Francine Smith and Peggy Hill aren't very smart.
Still smarter than their husbands
>Peggy
>Smarter than Hank
Hank ended up paying sticker price for his car, something everybody calls him out on. Then there’s the terrible job he’s doing raising Bobby.
Peggy is a teacher for a reason.
Still doesn’t compare to joining a cult
Also
>Peggy is a teacher for a reason
If you’ve seen the education system here, it’s not that impressive
Isn’t Pete the one who made the family money for most of their marriage? Seems fairly even handed to me.
Peggy is most certainly not smarter than Hank
He’s a man child who pisses away all their money. His wife and daughter have to fix everything for him.
Peggy joined a cult.
Hank might not notice tricksters at first but when given extra information from trusted sources, he realizes the mistakes he made and immediately fixes them.
Francine and Stan are actually a really good married couples.
Francine outright says she doesn't want to work and rather have everything given to her, and doesn't mind cooking for Stan.
Stan is the breadwinner, but makes terrible decisions which usually Francine has to fix or at least tell Stan he's wrong.
Or sometime they both equally go 100% on a stupid idea. Like fairly odd parents they're two halves of a whole idiot.
I can think of more couples where they are just a normal couple, or where both parents are horrid people.
What's your agenda? No seriously what the frick do you want to happen after posting the same misandrist bullshit for almost a year? Like people don't know "the bumbling husband, hot level headed wife" was a trope to complain about for years. Do you want both wife and husband to be the same? That will be boring. Roles reversed? Prepare to get crucified. The funny thing is this trope doesn't really cover most cartoon dads, which really shows me you never watched these shows to begin with.
Now shove your anti male simping up your ass, you cuck.
Raising awareness of ineffectual propaganda?
Caillou's dad is a chad and way better than the mom
The thing that is always hilarious about Industrycuck is his relationship with Helluva Boss. Helluva boss has:
>A broken relationship that is created through infidelity
>LGBT whatever themes and characters
>Lore and plot
>Adult themes and situations
>A mostly unhappy cast of characters
All things that he has claimed to like in cartoons in the past, yet he hates it with a burning passion. Probably for stupid reasons like Millie and Moxxie are a happy couple.
>Probably for stupid reasons like Millie and Moxxie are a happy couple.
This is the exact reason he hates it and has admitted so in the past.
Isn't that an American thing?
If the father is useless/a baffoon, it's probably a comedy show
If the father is anything else it's probably not a comedy.
So just stop watching comedies.
>This is a chad according to Mollybucks
lol
It really is sad. You can tel they have no parental figures.
Mollybucks are emasculated soiboys, they don't even know what masculinity is
This is all Disney gays in general for the longest time. Did you know people actually think the men from Kim Possible are actually chads?
Bob is still an emasculated numale.
Because a competent character in a position of power would foil most of plots. As that old pharse goes "all of this coouldve been averted if little johnny when straight to the police". Common sense is the enemy of most plots today.
And back then too. Plots were only really good in the 2010s.
Hench a term "Idiot Plots."
Plots made by and for idiots
>People in this thread really think cartoons are meant to be based in reality
You Black folk are actually some species of ape if you think anything in a cartoon is meant to be realistic.
See
Tumblr never misses
Have you seen modern 9white) men? The culture reflects the reality.
So why don’t they shack up with a Tyrone or a Chang? Modern white men do suck.
>implying this is a modern problem
Lmao, men have always sucked.
You do realize you're not representative of every other man, right?
Speak for yourself Eugene
>there are dozens of studies that prove my point
>no I will not link any of them
Peak midwit
Propaganda from hollywood.
Just like howevery portrayal of country or southern people is negative to the point nazi leftist say "Ya'll" and "Folks" despite never leaving LA or Newyork.
Sitcoms always did this.
Bob's Burgers is the only cartoon brave enough to show reality that women are stupid and it's the husband actually getting shit done.
Lol, Linda is a hundred times more emotional stronger. Face it, women are just better than men.
>Just like howevery portrayal of country or southern people is negative to the point nazi leftist say "Ya'll" and "Folks" despite never leaving LA or Newyork.
Southern people suck anon.
>Bob's Burgers is the only cartoon brave enough to show reality that women are stupid and it's the husband actually getting shit done.
Maybe in the first few seasons, but ever since season 5 or so Bob's character somehow did a 180 and he became defined by being a weak, permissive doormat that never disciplines his bratty kids or his wife.
Pic extremely unrelated.
>ugly
>stupid
>useless
That’s three strikes. He’s out.
He was really pathetic last episode
He’s been pathetic in all the other episodes.
This. Pete is a cuck.
Wonder when we’ll be introduced to Sharon’s boyfriend
>Pete: Has anyone see the keys to my chastity cage!?
>Scratch: Why the frick are you wearing a chastity cage?
>Pete: Sharon’s boyfriend put me on time out again!
This guy looks he inhales several bottles of söylent on the daily.
Trying to find a chad dad in a cartoon is like trying to find a woman that has interests besides social issues, Lefty politics and gay shipping, they exist but I can’t seem to find them
just like in real life
This. Women are the greatest
Men > Women, but Mums > Dads
Maybe it’s because women are actually qualified to care for children while men aren’t
most people grow up with shit, absent or incompetent dads
Why are moms so great?
It's a comedic subversion of how in old timey shows the dad was always a perfect infallible god.
Albeit one that's become so prolific it's just become the norm instead of a subversion of anything.
As lefty as Steven Universe is they still manage to make a good dad. He seems like he is a bit of a deadbeat since he lives out of a van, but he supports financially and defends his son even against shit he has no chance of beating. The worst thing he does in the show is pretends to be hurt so he can spend more time with him.
One of the only decent things that came from that shit show.
>he never saw Steven Universe Future
LMFAO
>it's okay to be a total loser with no redeeming qualities as long as you pay that child support and watch the kid every now and then
great message
real inspiring for would-be fathers
Do as i say, not as i do is a foreign concept to you huh?
Why should anybody listen to a loser?
is it true that the Andrea show AKA molly mcgee isn't getting a season 2?
Yup
RvW killed this show
>RvW
?
Roe v. Wade
The fathers are the ones who are allowed to be funny, that counts for a lot if you're making a comedy.
Women are way funnier than men