They’re almost always made out of spite. Say what you want about the originals and how they don’t look like goats/moths/deer etc, but they have an x-factor of personality too many of these reboots lose somehow
They're made by people that hate the series and how "sexualized" it is so they intentionally make them all ugly as sin. Makes me laugh seeing their friends hype their dogshit up.
A lot of it is just shallow trend-chasing and trying to prove that Viv doesn't deserve her success. They're trying to demonstrate that she's not a creative person and incapable of doing meaningful character design in favor of just doing what she wants- which I think is true to an extent. Alastor and Beelzebub have some awful designs. BUT a lot of these people doing redesigns are also guilty of the same thing, and just do what they want with little respect to the actual characters. Take that Husk, for example. Why is he an owl? He turned into a cat when he died because as a human he didn't like them. They also removed his card suit motif, which ties into not only him having a gambling problem, but him enjoying magic tricks. So now this character is really no longer Husk. The Alastor here is also not good, even though I've been a fan of the Cab Calloway reimagining. Like this design just drains all of the fun and appeal out of him. In fact I'm sure the artist was just mimicking pic related.
I think it's kind of embarrassing that so many people try to one-up Vivzie's designs with their own and those people near consistently come out with dogshit designs themselves.
I've got the same opinion as you on this artist's redesigns. I like a lot of this person's art, but this one here is...yeesh.
They've got some great ideas and I would watch a show with these characters, but Vivziepop characters they are not. Really awesome interpretation of Lucifer, but I can't picture him singing Hell's Greatest Dad.
I agree 100%! The designs are generally really cool, but they don't quite fit. If we're redesigning characters with the intention that they fit right into Vivzie's universe, the person best fit for that job is Vivzie herself, which is sort of a moot point. That being said, I personally think it's nice to see other people's interpretations of these characters regardless.
One that I like (mostly the Alastor) is this one, but it really is just how the artist themselves would design the character and not how the design "should be" in Vivzie's Hazbin Hotel, so to speak.
Angel Dust redesigns always seem to miss the mark that he is supposed to be ambiguous on what he actually is with his "breasts" being chest fluff.
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Most people that redesign Angel just completely forgo the porn star aspect and emphasize the mob side, effectively changing his character entirely
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Also I thought Viv turning his extra eyes into freckles was a clever idea.
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To be honest he is fundamentally flawed. He is supposed to be an Italian mobster yet I don't get that vibe from him. Why is he even a spider? A wolf would have made more sense. Their packs are practically equal to humans forming gangs. Frick it he could have been a moth to keep the fluff. Viv could have done something more clever like moths are attracted to lights, which in Angel's case would be street lights to empathize he is a prostitute pimped out on the streets around corners under said lights.
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he was part of a web of crime geddit
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Cause he was part of a web of crime.
The whole web of crime thing would work better for a mob boss sent to hell as a spider rather than a grunt like Angel.
he looks like those guys from ToonTown. I like the cracked screen and the dials on his suit, and the color palette is very nice, but I don't like how bulky he is. Also his arms are weirdly small and I think larger eyes would look better- this artist has a thing with proportions, it seems. I think the bulkier design would look much better with a CRT TV-styled head instead of a flatscreen.
Hmmm, I kinda like this it makes him look like Hitler, and funny enough that would fit with radio demon since Hitlers radio speech went out to space. Also hitler being a deer demon works as well since he was a vegetarian.
honestly I do think this is teh best Alastor redesign I've seen. It's still not perfect- the proportions irk me- but he's got a limited color palette without it being red-on-red(or black-on-black like in OP's image), the antlers are more prominent, his ears are actually ears and not just hair, he's got a much less gay hairdo and he's thin and lanky but doesn't have an effeminate figure. something about the face is just..off to me, again I'm pretty sure it's the proportions(and also that mustache...no), but it's prolly the best I've seen so far.
Was Alastor supposed to be that ice cold Sammy Davis Jr. looking mother fricker in the middle? Jesus Christ Viv.
If it wasn't for the voodoo and the fact that it comes up all the time, I wouldn't be able to tell that Alastor was Creole at all based on design and characterization. The fan redesigns do a better job of conveying that and I like it. I also appreciate that they aren't as loud as the original is. Alastor is prideful but Viv uses way too much fricking red in her designs, and all the characters look like a deck of cards because of it.
i don't really care for it. you never see the face of the man on the radio, so he could be any race. even a respectable white guy. to me that's kind of what his original design is getting at.
Some Emily redesigns that all went with that The last one sort of uses the head wings from her non-human form sort of alright
And then there's this one that redesigned them as a different kind of angel entirely
Apparently supposed to be Heavenly Virtues(so equivalents of the 7 Deadly Sins) rather than actual Virtues(the order of angels) though
She makes a duck-like noise at one point, but I'm almost certain she's supposed to be based on a dove
Her skin/lip coloration also brings to mind a cygnet to Sera's Swan.
It reminds me of the thousands of Beelzebub redesigns that just turned her into a fat bee because gluttony and honey. Very boring.
It just seems kind of lame to have designs so on the nose as this, but I think Viv kind of opening that can of worms herself by making some of them furries. This, combined with how obnoxious Vivziepop can be, results in people who are less experienced at character designs than her thinking the subtle elements in said designs are objectively bad and changing them because they personally don't like her artstyle. A lot of artists tend to not recognize the difference between subjectivity and objectivity.
The Alastor design in the OP image, for example, does not match the character Vivziepop is going for, and only the artist of the original image can tell you why he's designed like that, so it's a pointless redesign. Goat Charlie and Fat Husk simply exist because it's trendy too. The designs are illiterate. They provoke nothing.
Bees binge eat and then vomit up sugar that people crave, and Beelzebub is the Lord of Gluttony, and the character in question has blatant self image issues. It's if nothing else a simple kind of creative angle on the concept.
The issue is that most people did not attempt to understand the design because it was not the most overt choice or even try to figure out why Beelzebub looked like that.
That is a common damnation for fledgling artists, to not understand another artist’s design philosophy or point and reject it because they believe their personal interpretations to be superior.
It’s like The Hunger Artist; most people believe his fasting was not art and failed to wrap their heads around it, though who were they to say so? Did they try to understand him?
To say that a fox-like character, an animal often associated with gluttonous habits in fairy tales of children’s stories, cannot symbolize gluttony shows that you did not try to understand why Vivziepop chose such a design outside of a meta perspective.
>To say that a fox-like character, an animal often associated with gluttonous habits in fairy tales of children’s stories, cannot symbolize gluttony shows that you did not try to understand why Vivziepop chose such a design outside of a meta perspective.
That would be perfect for side characters if Viv was competent at world building. However, a bug is always the pinnacle of gluttony. Look at locusts. I would accept that as a design for Beelzebub because it has biblical connotations. The same can be said by going with bees. A fox is too vague for an entity that has been associated with flies for a long time. Another bug would have more fair.
I get what you’re saying, and I agree. I don’t particularly like Beelzebub’s design, but I try to understand why Vic made her look like a fox or a hyena (gluttonous/scavenging, communal parties, pack behavior, matriarchal in the case of hyenas). The elements are there, though massively flawed.
Foxes are more often described as cunning or sleezy across cultures and there’s more a focus on their pursuits and plans rather than actually being able to indulge in what they want to eat. And I don’t even think it’s supposed to be a fox but rather a canine matching the hellhounds of the same realm. If you removed her from the context of that circle of hell and showed her design to some random person who doesn’t know she’s a deadly sin, gluttony would not be their immediate reaction.
>The Alastor design in the OP image, for example, does not match the character Vivziepop is going for
Viv's designs are moronic. Looking at Alastor I don't see a fricking deer. He just looks like a generic red man in a suit. His antlers are barely noticeable features. Why make Alastor a deer if those aren't empathized in his design? He might as well just be a robot/radio like Vox since the radio host theme is stronger than his supposed deer theme. I can at least credit those that attempt their own redesign for putting empathize on a detail Viv failed to do herself.
The issue is that most people did not attempt to understand the design because it was not the most overt choice or even try to figure out why Beelzebub looked like that.
That is a common damnation for fledgling artists, to not understand another artist’s design philosophy or point and reject it because they believe their personal interpretations to be superior.
It’s like The Hunger Artist; most people believe his fasting was not art and failed to wrap their heads around it, though who were they to say so? Did they try to understand him?
To say that a fox-like character, an animal often associated with gluttonous habits in fairy tales of children’s stories, cannot symbolize gluttony shows that you did not try to understand why Vivziepop chose such a design outside of a meta perspective.
I gotta side with the haters on this one, Bee's design just sucks and I don't think claiming it fits archetypical depictions of an entirely different animal in some stories justifies it, even if that's the official explanation. Especially since Viv still worked bee elements into the design. I'm not even on the "make her a fat bee" train, just making her an anthro bee and keeping everything else would've been better.
She brought it on herself, turning THE Beelzebub into a garbage fricking sparkledog.
Like she couldn't have just saved that design for a different character?
Doesn't matter. The artist was obviously not applying that on purpose, they're just doing designs like this because these body types are the trendy thing to do, and this shows in the designs. That's why it doesn't work. You can't just have it work by leaving the viewer to rationalize their failure.
Because the redesigns are done by people who watch these shows, aka deviant furries, queers, ect. And vivzie is already the pinnacle of that type of character design. So you are having people trying to outdo deviant queen design with additional deviant queen designs. Give the designs to someone who doesn't care about these shows and then you probably end up finally with improvements.
I'm gonna concede that I don't know enough about character design to feel confident touching these characters but at minimum I would make Alastor's ears actually look like a deer's instead of just being shaggy triangles on his head.
Like the other anon I don’t know much about character design but I would make Alastor less of a mess conceptually. He’s got way too many things going on like radio host, deer, voodoo man etc but none of it is conveyed very well in his design. He looks like a gijinka of another character made by a 14 year old girl
>He looks like a gijinka of another character made by a 14 year old girl
he kinda is, he used to be a literal deer or something for viv's furry webcomic. 'zoophobia', i think.
literally every single redesign itt is shit. not even just bad but ungodly shit.
Alastor is definitely Viv's OC from her teenage days because I would do the same thing, as I got older and discovered new things I would just keep slapping them on my beloved character instead of shedding old aspects or just making a new one altogether.
Me I'd ditch the deer thing and keep the radio host theme, make his radio dial eyes the default, maybe his mouth is like one of those old timey radios shaped like a smile I'd keep everything else though
Alastor is definitely Viv's OC from her teenage days because I would do the same thing, as I got older and discovered new things I would just keep slapping them on my beloved character instead of shedding old aspects or just making a new one altogether.
Oh yeah. His design actually does predate everyone else's and it really shows.
I have a character who I did a similar thing with- she's technically the latest in a series of really cringe self-insert/author avatar characters...and it shows. Plenty of other characters in this project are reworks of older characters, sure, but this one is a rework of a rework of a rework of three characters combined into one, not to mention one who originated as a complete and total Mary Sue. So a lot of things about her design are just...kind of there. She's a lot busier in design than everyone else, and has a more repetitive color palette. Her horns conflict with her hairstyle and general silhouette. She has glasses for no real reason other than that I have glasses, and a bunch of accessories that don't go well together. Her wings have finally started to bother me. I'm probably gonna go fix it now.
I wouldn't because they are good and work for a reason, while the people who do this kind of shit are like this:
?t=214 >Hehe~ backpack is advencha!
The typical millenial dipshit redditor who has a meme degree and has no damn clue how the world works.
Most people itt have no fricking idea of how to make an interesting concept for starters either, and the pictures they post confirms it. >wow this looks so good!
No its fricking dogshit, like
I like onebadnoodle's redesigns
someone posted this on Cinemaphile i always liked it for how out there it was
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The Sera at the right here gets my goat. The character has a swan motif, at least try.
>he's the radio demon THAT MEANS HE NEEDS TO HAVE A BIG ASS RADIO ON HIS HEAD, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IF THAT WASN'T THERE >Emily is black THAT MEANS SHE NEEDS DREADLOCKS AND NEEDS TO BE FAT SASSY WOMAN
Repeat the sentence: 'Style over substance.' until its engraved into your brain.
Because Vivzie has been (pun not intended) constantly changing the designs over many years to make them as appealing (to her) as possible. I think this is also why Helluva Boss character designs seem inferior to me, they just haven't had the same amount of preparation work on them done, she just came up with them one day and then she couldn't change them because the show is already released.
they did almost nothing to Angel and now he sticks out like a sore thumb lmao
also that Vaggie design is paining me, I like the ear/antennae and the use of a bluer color palette, but the grey skin/yellow sclera/blue eyes combination is making my brain think "Vriska" and I don't like that
redesigns out of malice always rub me the wrong way. it’s effectively telling an artist than you don’t like how they express themselves and entering a farcical competition against them. of course you can critique art, but you really need to understand why the character looks like that to redesign them correctly
Yeah. The best redesigns are the ones that stick to the character concepts >Horny Italian mobster of ambiguous stature >1930's Radio demon with a deer aesthetic >Fallen angel that is injured in some capacity >Disney princess but in hell
etc.
That and it's usually a way for shit, jealous artists to stroke their own egos. A lot of them literally say verbatim >There I fixed it
they deserve any shit lobbed their way after that.
These twitter artists have so much blood in their eyes about her they can't even target their right people in their criticisms. Like Viv didn't personally paint that shot in Toon Boom dude, it's the colorist at Bento Box, why be so out of pocket when you're doing this under your real name account
This isn't even something people who watch casually would even notice or care about. I get the complaint about Vaggie still disappearing in one shot in episode 1 but jesus christ nitpicking a single shot because of 'colors'?
ehh a show's colour design is a valid thing to bring up. pilot was almost entirely furnace red, though thankfully they seem to have improved it in the rest of the show
Artists forever upset that magentas and bright reds look the best on modern screens and refusing to admit color theory isn't real after being tortured painting swatches in class.
That and it's usually a way for shit, jealous artists to stroke their own egos. A lot of them literally say verbatim >There I fixed it
they deserve any shit lobbed their way after that.
These twitter artists have so much blood in their eyes about her they can't even target their right people in their criticisms. Like Viv didn't personally paint that shot in Toon Boom dude, it's the colorist at Bento Box, why be so out of pocket when you're doing this under your real name account
Crabs in a bucket mentality is what most of the morons are, twitter Harbouring most of them is the funniest but saddest shit I've ever scene.
alastor just wasn't made to look black, or have any type of vintage black coolness. as a human he was probably white-passing and said racial slurs.
Designs like this probably wouldn't work for main characters but absolutely would work for the occasional plot relevant character. Alastor appears too much for these designs to work properly, these work better the less you see of them.
one type of redesign i do feel is somewhat justified are the ones that remove the demon features from adam and lute. that was a genuinely puzzling design choice, to me.
I think these actually work fairly well but the issue is that when it comes to Heaven and Hell, Viv kinds just smooths pointed stuff, changes colors, but it all still has the same Esthetic in both locations.
Like take Viv's designs for Hell and Heaven characters and just swap their palettes, it's not exact, but all you have to do is soften or harden their edges and you get Sir Pentious's two designs. It all still has the same esthetic regardless.
These would work if they wanted to given Heaven it's own esthetic, because Heaven in Hazbin is just "Hell but softer and brighter." and nothing else.
The best redesigns I've seen so far. They fit the show's art style and design aesthetic while having more visual interest and a more appropriate motif than the actual designs- I guess maybe the reason why the angels look so demonic is to be a visual representation of "they're not so different from demons after all, see" but it just looks dumb
It’s a clear easy way to show despite his pretensions Adam isn’t a better person, he’s not in fact better. Also they’re literally a black ops killsquad.
>wouldn't fit in the show that Viv wanted to make
You're right because the show Viv wants to make sucks. These designs belong in better thought out premises.
>Out of curiosity look up redesigns of overlords >See a redesign of pic related >Nope the frick out
This is literally peak design that this show offers and the results I saw are absolutely bottom of the barrel not taking into consideration is mannerisms or character, jesus fricking christ.
>not taking into consideration is mannerisms or character
Really, this is the problem with most of the redesigns. They miss the entire point of the character.
It also fricks with the aesthetic too much. Whether you hate or love the aesthetic, when doing a redesign it is best to try and stick to the conventions of the style.
There was genuinely a scene I couldn't tell wtf was happening with his arm and it wouldn't kill anyone to make him a few mm more wide. His design also doesn't let us know much about his character. He's supposed to be the one of the oldest sinners but he's spider themed? And has a top hat? Who tf is he
Most of those are trash, but that Vaggie design isn't bad. It would fit in well with the canon designs for some other sinner/demon that's not a fallen angel.
>That Alastor is just a dude, I dont know how else to put it.
He's too plain. Way too plain even for a non-Vivzie show. Canon Alastor has one colour too, but all the red is broken up by blocks of light and dark, and his features stand out on his face thanks to the contrast of lighter skin. The redesign doesn't draw the eye anywhere in particular because it's just a wall of dark. Turn your monitor's brightness down too much and he'd disappear into the background of every other scene.
Because they are offended by VivziePop having a unique personal style that draws on classic internet culture and they themselves draw in politically and algorithmically trendy styles.
They've got some great ideas and I would watch a show with these characters, but Vivziepop characters they are not. Really awesome interpretation of Lucifer, but I can't picture him singing Hell's Greatest Dad.
correct me if I'm wrong but was that charlie design meant to pair up with this lucifer design?
The sad thing about designs like this is that it would work in a completely different tone, premise and writing style, which is to say that it fails as a redesign within the confines of the show it is redesigning but opens up possibilities of an original idea.
Yeah but he at least still has a face. When I see that Alastor design, my mind for some reason goes immediately to a faceless deep voiced ambiguous semi-antagonist from a japanese anime, which is awesome but at the same time isn't Alastor. Nothing of the design screams showmanship like Alastor's character has. It at least nails the dubious nature though.
I think the premise of the show is ridiculous so redesigns might as well go with an entirely different plot but still based on the same themes and aesthetics
I guess. I dunno, I feel when doing redesigns you should at least stick to the confines of how the designs were created in the first place. If it was "Here would be how I would've done it in Viv's shoes", that's a different thing entirely.
I think the premise of the show is ridiculous so redesigns might as well go with an entirely different plot but still based on the same themes and aesthetics
...Frick, I actually like this a lot. More recognizably a spider without going too far into anthropomorphic animal territory. His hair looks great, I like that he actually has extra eyes, and he's the perfect amount of androgynous.
The only one that comes close is 1 (For personality) and 4 (For raw design). It's like again they forget she is supposed to be a disney princess in hell.
Personally I like 3. The face is sufficiently "aristocratic", the costume stands out enough, and the horns reminds me of a tiara. The caveats would probably be the earrings (replaced with inverted crosses), and animating the horns.
I am of the opinion that they don't fit the characters or tone the show is going for >inb4 "good".
Listen, if you are going to redesign something without changing premise, you gotta stick to the design doc laid out for you. The vast majority of these were designed when we only had the pilot and they still don't follow the purpose of the character.
>Trying to redesign Lucifer
Always shit and the people who give him a human nose rather than at least snake nostrils in more detailed art are weak. He's perfect.
because Viv is bad at character design. take Alastor. He's supposed to be the "Radio Demon" but this isn't reflected in his design at all (only thing that shows this is his mic), especially not his outfit (generic suit and bowtie instead of something from the 20s). He has a deer/wendigo thing going on but his antlers aren't very prominent (the hair ends up hiding them). He has 2000s scene styled hair instead of 1920s styled hair. He is a master of voodoo but this ALSO isn't reflected in his design at all.
He could work as a character design, but you'd have to change him significantly to make him work. And most redesigns frick this up by neglecting or removing many of the things that Viv also fricks up.
Venom Snake from MGSV is a good example of balancing out multiple motifs/symbols in a character.
>soldier/spy: military briefs/sneaking suit and gun >demon: shrapnel horn in head, red arm, and loose belt as the tail >pirate: eyepatch and prosthetic hand >cyborg: metal prosthetic >frankenstein: stitches
But Viv can't do something like this because she doesn't know how to appropriately layer multiple facets of a character, she just vomits stream-of consciousness crap or mimicks her favorite animated stuff without understanding why those designs worked.
Generic suits with bowties existed in the 30s when he died in-universe and the antlers grow to full size when he goes Super Saiyan. But I get what you mean. Realistically he would've gelled his hair back like every guy did back then
The ideal Alastor design should implement all of his symbols.
>Colors: go with sepia or black/white like he stepped out of an old movie >Radio: suit and slacks that 30s radio announcers wore. keep the mic! Perhaps have his horns resemble radio antenna? Slick that hair back or curl it! >Deer/Wendigo: big horns, as if to say he's the prince of the forest, implement "deer fangs", which could also allude to vampirism? Either way, he eats people. >Voodoo: combine with the wendigo, perhaps give him skull makeup? or a skull mask? or puts pins in his body ala a voodoo doll? Or stitches across his mouth.
Black and white is a little on the nose, I'd rather his suit be a red-mahogany color like the little radio featured in Stayed Gone. Close enough to red that it gets the evil across
No can do. Viv had to erase most of the voodoo symbolism from him was because twitter tards screamed cultural appropriation
>like he stepped out of an old movie >movie >make the design even more fricking muddled by adding a bunch of voodoo shit
This is why you fricks can't be trusted with anything.
So it doesn’t reflect except in the thing he literally always has?
He has a goddamn radio crackle everytime he talks what do you want?
Do you think suits didn’t exist in the 20s?
The living shadow moving around and acting like Princess and the Frog isn’t enough?
Not really. His entire primary aesthetic is the radio host gentleman and the deer/voodoo is only minor details that become pronounced to show him unleashing his power.
It feels, busy, to be honest. I like the attempt and it comes together better than most, but, it feels busy.
this alastor design has a special place in my heart, making him sepia would have sold his vintage gimmick a little better i feel.
The ideal Alastor design should implement all of his symbols.
>Colors: go with sepia or black/white like he stepped out of an old movie >Radio: suit and slacks that 30s radio announcers wore. keep the mic! Perhaps have his horns resemble radio antenna? Slick that hair back or curl it! >Deer/Wendigo: big horns, as if to say he's the prince of the forest, implement "deer fangs", which could also allude to vampirism? Either way, he eats people. >Voodoo: combine with the wendigo, perhaps give him skull makeup? or a skull mask? or puts pins in his body ala a voodoo doll? Or stitches across his mouth.
Uuuh, the frick? >Colors: go with sepia or black/white like he stepped out of an old movie
Dudes, my guys, he's RADIO! Not Movie/Film. Unless you can tell me what color Radio is, making him Black and White or Sepia makes no fricking sense. Should he be more muted perhaps? That's a fair suggestion, but saying he should be themed after the look of 1930's visual film isn't just lazy and generic, but goes against his own hatred for the visual media of television in general since he's strictly an non-visual format. It just misses the point entirely.
If anything he should look like personified radio noise/static.
Nah, much like a lot of designs in this thread, it would be a cool design in general but just doesn't reflect the character as is in the show.
Whether the show's presentation is a good or bad thing is moot, considering that a redesign first and foremost should still fit the concept of the character.
Okay went from creepypasta to that sexy rough sketch type, I love how fricking raw all those lines look lmao. Etched like stretched sinews chief. Rough lines like those really work in horror or horrible adjacent shit for some reason.
left one looks very cute with the big eyes like the megamind meme, i know i'm not supposed to think it but the impression of big irises gives it cuteness
these are just undertale cahacetrers
Because they don't have the lanky furry aesthetician that vivzie usually does
These guys are too thicc
Because furries are talentless hacks and the initial designs weren’t good either
Nah kys
Zoomer cope
They’re almost always made out of spite. Say what you want about the originals and how they don’t look like goats/moths/deer etc, but they have an x-factor of personality too many of these reboots lose somehow
They're made by people that hate the series and how "sexualized" it is so they intentionally make them all ugly as sin. Makes me laugh seeing their friends hype their dogshit up.
A lot of it is just shallow trend-chasing and trying to prove that Viv doesn't deserve her success. They're trying to demonstrate that she's not a creative person and incapable of doing meaningful character design in favor of just doing what she wants- which I think is true to an extent. Alastor and Beelzebub have some awful designs. BUT a lot of these people doing redesigns are also guilty of the same thing, and just do what they want with little respect to the actual characters. Take that Husk, for example. Why is he an owl? He turned into a cat when he died because as a human he didn't like them. They also removed his card suit motif, which ties into not only him having a gambling problem, but him enjoying magic tricks. So now this character is really no longer Husk. The Alastor here is also not good, even though I've been a fan of the Cab Calloway reimagining. Like this design just drains all of the fun and appeal out of him. In fact I'm sure the artist was just mimicking pic related.
And to keep it fair, I'm gonna post a redesign by the same artist that I don't like. Like this isn't Vox at all, it's an entirely different guy.
looks like a cheesy mob boss character from a 90s cartoon network show
Yeah it's an overall good design but it's not Vox. This is Vox's brother who made it to the 80s and is voiced by Danny DeVito.
I think it's kind of embarrassing that so many people try to one-up Vivzie's designs with their own and those people near consistently come out with dogshit designs themselves.
I've got the same opinion as you on this artist's redesigns. I like a lot of this person's art, but this one here is...yeesh.
They've got some great ideas and I would watch a show with these characters, but Vivziepop characters they are not. Really awesome interpretation of Lucifer, but I can't picture him singing Hell's Greatest Dad.
That lucifer is awesome I could see him as a more antagonistic interpretation of lucifer like originally intended rather than what we got in hazbin
I agree 100%! The designs are generally really cool, but they don't quite fit. If we're redesigning characters with the intention that they fit right into Vivzie's universe, the person best fit for that job is Vivzie herself, which is sort of a moot point. That being said, I personally think it's nice to see other people's interpretations of these characters regardless.
One that I like (mostly the Alastor) is this one, but it really is just how the artist themselves would design the character and not how the design "should be" in Vivzie's Hazbin Hotel, so to speak.
Angel Dust redesigns always seem to miss the mark that he is supposed to be ambiguous on what he actually is with his "breasts" being chest fluff.
Most people that redesign Angel just completely forgo the porn star aspect and emphasize the mob side, effectively changing his character entirely
Also I thought Viv turning his extra eyes into freckles was a clever idea.
To be honest he is fundamentally flawed. He is supposed to be an Italian mobster yet I don't get that vibe from him. Why is he even a spider? A wolf would have made more sense. Their packs are practically equal to humans forming gangs. Frick it he could have been a moth to keep the fluff. Viv could have done something more clever like moths are attracted to lights, which in Angel's case would be street lights to empathize he is a prostitute pimped out on the streets around corners under said lights.
he was part of a web of crime geddit
The whole web of crime thing would work better for a mob boss sent to hell as a spider rather than a grunt like Angel.
Cause he was part of a web of crime.
Mf looks like a cog from toon town.
he looks like those guys from ToonTown. I like the cracked screen and the dials on his suit, and the color palette is very nice, but I don't like how bulky he is. Also his arms are weirdly small and I think larger eyes would look better- this artist has a thing with proportions, it seems. I think the bulkier design would look much better with a CRT TV-styled head instead of a flatscreen.
Clearly this artist missed the memo that people actually want to have sex with the original characters
Nah people would've turned up for that Vox but it wouldn't be fujos.
Hmmm, I kinda like this it makes him look like Hitler, and funny enough that would fit with radio demon since Hitlers radio speech went out to space. Also hitler being a deer demon works as well since he was a vegetarian.
>it makes him look like Hitler
It makes him look like a gayer version of Prince.
Shit. I can't unsee it.
>the radio host formerly known as alastor
honestly I do think this is teh best Alastor redesign I've seen. It's still not perfect- the proportions irk me- but he's got a limited color palette without it being red-on-red(or black-on-black like in OP's image), the antlers are more prominent, his ears are actually ears and not just hair, he's got a much less gay hairdo and he's thin and lanky but doesn't have an effeminate figure. something about the face is just..off to me, again I'm pretty sure it's the proportions(and also that mustache...no), but it's prolly the best I've seen so far.
If it wasn't for the voodoo and the fact that it comes up all the time, I wouldn't be able to tell that Alastor was Creole at all based on design and characterization. The fan redesigns do a better job of conveying that and I like it. I also appreciate that they aren't as loud as the original is. Alastor is prideful but Viv uses way too much fricking red in her designs, and all the characters look like a deck of cards because of it.
i'm gonna be honest i kinda like the cab calloway/facilier type design.
I really like the Alastor redesigns that go for a Cab Calloway vibe in general
Yeah, it makes him look a hell lot more fitting if he's supposed to be some voodoo creole 1920s guy AND a radioman.
i don't really care for it. you never see the face of the man on the radio, so he could be any race. even a respectable white guy. to me that's kind of what his original design is getting at.
>Emily and Sera getting redesigns because they aren't black enough
>Velvette is apparently too red for some too
Some Emily redesigns that all went with that
The last one sort of uses the head wings from her non-human form sort of alright
Any art that can rival Ilulu's godawful redesigns? I never saved them but god those pics still haunt my cranium
could you describe them?
Just search "Ilulu redesigns" and you'll turn up some truly exceptional artwork.
She's a fricking dragon. Why does she need shit like fire proof gloves?
That's the tip of the iceberg, god did they butcher her...
>I gotta make this character look more black
>give em dreads or big lips
This feels so fricking racist yet they would claim its not.
Because it's not
ew
And then there's this one that redesigned them as a different kind of angel entirely
Apparently supposed to be Heavenly Virtues(so equivalents of the 7 Deadly Sins) rather than actual Virtues(the order of angels) though
My favorite part about the Emily and Sera redesigns is that 90% of them are just making them more black, because subtlety is lost on tumblr .
Why should race have to be implied?
This edit...
>Darker gray
>Big lips
>Tooth gap
>Vitiligo
I tink it also thinned out her lips from the show into just mouth lines to fit in its own lips.
These look nice, but the gradients pisses me off lmao
You aren't wrong
The Sera at the right here gets my goat. The character has a swan motif, at least try.
I like the braids on the middle one.
The vitiligo and tooth gap almost make this one feel like a parody lol, especially because her freckles were kept white.
if sera is a swan, is emily a dove?
She makes a duck-like noise at one point, but I'm almost certain she's supposed to be based on a dove
Her skin/lip coloration also brings to mind a cygnet to Sera's Swan.
hmm. if i were going to riff on her design(though i think it is fine), i'd go in the ballet direction, like swan lake. ballerina emily would be cute.
the third one uses significantly thinner outlines for the hair than for everything else and that really bugs me.
Was Alastor supposed to be that ice cold Sammy Davis Jr. looking mother fricker in the middle? Jesus Christ Viv.
Viv didn't draw that
Vivzie didn't draw that, I think you misinterpreted the post
It reminds me of the thousands of Beelzebub redesigns that just turned her into a fat bee because gluttony and honey. Very boring.
It just seems kind of lame to have designs so on the nose as this, but I think Viv kind of opening that can of worms herself by making some of them furries. This, combined with how obnoxious Vivziepop can be, results in people who are less experienced at character designs than her thinking the subtle elements in said designs are objectively bad and changing them because they personally don't like her artstyle. A lot of artists tend to not recognize the difference between subjectivity and objectivity.
The Alastor design in the OP image, for example, does not match the character Vivziepop is going for, and only the artist of the original image can tell you why he's designed like that, so it's a pointless redesign. Goat Charlie and Fat Husk simply exist because it's trendy too. The designs are illiterate. They provoke nothing.
A fat bee is actually thematic. Going off theme to be "unique" is a hack excuse.
Beelzebub is the lord of the flies. A fat fly is more on theme than a bee.
Bees binge eat and then vomit up sugar that people crave, and Beelzebub is the Lord of Gluttony, and the character in question has blatant self image issues. It's if nothing else a simple kind of creative angle on the concept.
True but I say a bee is thematic because they at least have biblical relevance in some places or at least honey.
The issue is that most people did not attempt to understand the design because it was not the most overt choice or even try to figure out why Beelzebub looked like that.
That is a common damnation for fledgling artists, to not understand another artist’s design philosophy or point and reject it because they believe their personal interpretations to be superior.
It’s like The Hunger Artist; most people believe his fasting was not art and failed to wrap their heads around it, though who were they to say so? Did they try to understand him?
To say that a fox-like character, an animal often associated with gluttonous habits in fairy tales of children’s stories, cannot symbolize gluttony shows that you did not try to understand why Vivziepop chose such a design outside of a meta perspective.
>To say that a fox-like character, an animal often associated with gluttonous habits in fairy tales of children’s stories, cannot symbolize gluttony shows that you did not try to understand why Vivziepop chose such a design outside of a meta perspective.
That would be perfect for side characters if Viv was competent at world building. However, a bug is always the pinnacle of gluttony. Look at locusts. I would accept that as a design for Beelzebub because it has biblical connotations. The same can be said by going with bees. A fox is too vague for an entity that has been associated with flies for a long time. Another bug would have more fair.
I get what you’re saying, and I agree. I don’t particularly like Beelzebub’s design, but I try to understand why Vic made her look like a fox or a hyena (gluttonous/scavenging, communal parties, pack behavior, matriarchal in the case of hyenas). The elements are there, though massively flawed.
Foxes are more often described as cunning or sleezy across cultures and there’s more a focus on their pursuits and plans rather than actually being able to indulge in what they want to eat. And I don’t even think it’s supposed to be a fox but rather a canine matching the hellhounds of the same realm. If you removed her from the context of that circle of hell and showed her design to some random person who doesn’t know she’s a deadly sin, gluttony would not be their immediate reaction.
>The Alastor design in the OP image, for example, does not match the character Vivziepop is going for
Viv's designs are moronic. Looking at Alastor I don't see a fricking deer. He just looks like a generic red man in a suit. His antlers are barely noticeable features. Why make Alastor a deer if those aren't empathized in his design? He might as well just be a robot/radio like Vox since the radio host theme is stronger than his supposed deer theme. I can at least credit those that attempt their own redesign for putting empathize on a detail Viv failed to do herself.
I gotta side with the haters on this one, Bee's design just sucks and I don't think claiming it fits archetypical depictions of an entirely different animal in some stories justifies it, even if that's the official explanation. Especially since Viv still worked bee elements into the design. I'm not even on the "make her a fat bee" train, just making her an anthro bee and keeping everything else would've been better.
She brought it on herself, turning THE Beelzebub into a garbage fricking sparkledog.
Like she couldn't have just saved that design for a different character?
>Fat Husk
husk is a bartender though. those guys are born to be fat
Doesn't matter. The artist was obviously not applying that on purpose, they're just doing designs like this because these body types are the trendy thing to do, and this shows in the designs. That's why it doesn't work. You can't just have it work by leaving the viewer to rationalize their failure.
Because the redesigns are done by people who watch these shows, aka deviant furries, queers, ect. And vivzie is already the pinnacle of that type of character design. So you are having people trying to outdo deviant queen design with additional deviant queen designs. Give the designs to someone who doesn't care about these shows and then you probably end up finally with improvements.
How would Cinemaphile redesign these characters?
I'm gonna concede that I don't know enough about character design to feel confident touching these characters but at minimum I would make Alastor's ears actually look like a deer's instead of just being shaggy triangles on his head.
Like the other anon I don’t know much about character design but I would make Alastor less of a mess conceptually. He’s got way too many things going on like radio host, deer, voodoo man etc but none of it is conveyed very well in his design. He looks like a gijinka of another character made by a 14 year old girl
>He looks like a gijinka of another character made by a 14 year old girl
he kinda is, he used to be a literal deer or something for viv's furry webcomic. 'zoophobia', i think.
i like them. try having fun.
Alastor is definitely Viv's OC from her teenage days because I would do the same thing, as I got older and discovered new things I would just keep slapping them on my beloved character instead of shedding old aspects or just making a new one altogether.
Me I'd ditch the deer thing and keep the radio host theme, make his radio dial eyes the default, maybe his mouth is like one of those old timey radios shaped like a smile I'd keep everything else though
I'd change his powers to be like a reality warper and whatever he narrates/describes when putting on his radio host persona comes true.
fine. His canon powerset makes zero sense anyway.
Oh yeah. His design actually does predate everyone else's and it really shows.
I have a character who I did a similar thing with- she's technically the latest in a series of really cringe self-insert/author avatar characters...and it shows. Plenty of other characters in this project are reworks of older characters, sure, but this one is a rework of a rework of a rework of three characters combined into one, not to mention one who originated as a complete and total Mary Sue. So a lot of things about her design are just...kind of there. She's a lot busier in design than everyone else, and has a more repetitive color palette. Her horns conflict with her hairstyle and general silhouette. She has glasses for no real reason other than that I have glasses, and a bunch of accessories that don't go well together. Her wings have finally started to bother me. I'm probably gonna go fix it now.
update; tweaking her to resemble the simplified version I use for a minecraft skin worked miracles. much better
I wouldn't because they are good and work for a reason, while the people who do this kind of shit are like this:
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>Hehe~ backpack is advencha!
The typical millenial dipshit redditor who has a meme degree and has no damn clue how the world works.
Most people itt have no fricking idea of how to make an interesting concept for starters either, and the pictures they post confirms it.
>wow this looks so good!
No its fricking dogshit, like
>he's the radio demon THAT MEANS HE NEEDS TO HAVE A BIG ASS RADIO ON HIS HEAD, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IF THAT WASN'T THERE
>Emily is black THAT MEANS SHE NEEDS DREADLOCKS AND NEEDS TO BE FAT SASSY WOMAN
Repeat the sentence: 'Style over substance.' until its engraved into your brain.
Are you Vivziepop ?
Because Vivzie has been (pun not intended) constantly changing the designs over many years to make them as appealing (to her) as possible. I think this is also why Helluva Boss character designs seem inferior to me, they just haven't had the same amount of preparation work on them done, she just came up with them one day and then she couldn't change them because the show is already released.
How will he fair in HH?
alastor just wasn't made to look black, or have any type of vintage black coolness. as a human he was probably white-passing and said racial slurs.
this alastor design has a special place in my heart, making him sepia would have sold his vintage gimmick a little better i feel.
i like how angels is basically the same but pinker and bawdtier
Alastor actually looks unsettling here, and it suits the creepy nature of serial killers.
Charlie's outfit is cute! I think Alastor us an improvement by far. Angel...seems to not be wearing underwear
Charlie & Vag are cute everyone else sucks
they did almost nothing to Angel and now he sticks out like a sore thumb lmao
also that Vaggie design is paining me, I like the ear/antennae and the use of a bluer color palette, but the grey skin/yellow sclera/blue eyes combination is making my brain think "Vriska" and I don't like that
the guy designing that didnt know vaggie was an anfel.
what does that have to do with what I said
i like vaggie's ngl
redesigns out of malice always rub me the wrong way. it’s effectively telling an artist than you don’t like how they express themselves and entering a farcical competition against them. of course you can critique art, but you really need to understand why the character looks like that to redesign them correctly
Yeah. The best redesigns are the ones that stick to the character concepts
>Horny Italian mobster of ambiguous stature
>1930's Radio demon with a deer aesthetic
>Fallen angel that is injured in some capacity
>Disney princess but in hell
etc.
That and it's usually a way for shit, jealous artists to stroke their own egos. A lot of them literally say verbatim
>There I fixed it
they deserve any shit lobbed their way after that.
These twitter artists have so much blood in their eyes about her they can't even target their right people in their criticisms. Like Viv didn't personally paint that shot in Toon Boom dude, it's the colorist at Bento Box, why be so out of pocket when you're doing this under your real name account
It's funny when you see attitudes like this and then you check their bios and you see they're like 20
This isn't even something people who watch casually would even notice or care about. I get the complaint about Vaggie still disappearing in one shot in episode 1 but jesus christ nitpicking a single shot because of 'colors'?
ehh a show's colour design is a valid thing to bring up. pilot was almost entirely furnace red, though thankfully they seem to have improved it in the rest of the show
Artists forever upset that magentas and bright reds look the best on modern screens and refusing to admit color theory isn't real after being tortured painting swatches in class.
Crabs in a bucket mentality is what most of the morons are, twitter Harbouring most of them is the funniest but saddest shit I've ever scene.
Can't believe Sir Pentious ruin the moment
someone posted this on Cinemaphile i always liked it for how out there it was
Designs like this probably wouldn't work for main characters but absolutely would work for the occasional plot relevant character. Alastor appears too much for these designs to work properly, these work better the less you see of them.
seems like a charming gentleman, but doesn't give me alastor vibes
one type of redesign i do feel is somewhat justified are the ones that remove the demon features from adam and lute. that was a genuinely puzzling design choice, to me.
no such thing as enough lute
>tries not to swear but fails every time
That would be a huge departure from current Adam since shameless vulgarity is his main trait, but it's a fun concept. I like those designs a lot.
She’s now even more butch
These are genuinely good.
The last one is really the only one I like. The rest just feel like generic black hair made by white people.
I agree. I don't get why they are made to look demonic. A crusader aesthetic would fit their righteous attitude that sinners should be purged.
Way better.
These make way more sense and still work within the canon designs. Viv just has a clown/devil fetish and no self control
If this thread is still round tommorow I might try "cleaning" up the casts designs
I think these actually work fairly well but the issue is that when it comes to Heaven and Hell, Viv kinds just smooths pointed stuff, changes colors, but it all still has the same Esthetic in both locations.
Like take Viv's designs for Hell and Heaven characters and just swap their palettes, it's not exact, but all you have to do is soften or harden their edges and you get Sir Pentious's two designs. It all still has the same esthetic regardless.
These would work if they wanted to given Heaven it's own esthetic, because Heaven in Hazbin is just "Hell but softer and brighter." and nothing else.
The best redesigns I've seen so far. They fit the show's art style and design aesthetic while having more visual interest and a more appropriate motif than the actual designs- I guess maybe the reason why the angels look so demonic is to be a visual representation of "they're not so different from demons after all, see" but it just looks dumb
It’s a clear easy way to show despite his pretensions Adam isn’t a better person, he’s not in fact better. Also they’re literally a black ops killsquad.
some of these are great designs, but they aren't good "Hazbin Hotel" designs aka, wouldn't fit in the show that Viv wanted to make.
>wouldn't fit in the show that Viv wanted to make
You're right because the show Viv wants to make sucks. These designs belong in better thought out premises.
true. Really sucks that Hazbin/Helluva will have a monopoly on the "cartoon in hell" indie scene
>Out of curiosity look up redesigns of overlords
>See a redesign of pic related
>Nope the frick out
This is literally peak design that this show offers and the results I saw are absolutely bottom of the barrel not taking into consideration is mannerisms or character, jesus fricking christ.
this homie is peak nightmare before christmas and i don't know if i hate that or love it
>not taking into consideration is mannerisms or character
Really, this is the problem with most of the redesigns. They miss the entire point of the character.
It also fricks with the aesthetic too much. Whether you hate or love the aesthetic, when doing a redesign it is best to try and stick to the conventions of the style.
>peak design
There was genuinely a scene I couldn't tell wtf was happening with his arm and it wouldn't kill anyone to make him a few mm more wide. His design also doesn't let us know much about his character. He's supposed to be the one of the oldest sinners but he's spider themed? And has a top hat? Who tf is he
He speaks in thous and there’s like Victorian England it’s not very subtle.
People did not talk like that in Victorian England. More like the Elizabethan period.
>Elizabethan language
>Victorian England
American education at work, everybody.
I can't help but agree, peak Tim Burton vibes , creepy-crawly and spooky with an emphasis of form over function
Most of those are trash, but that Vaggie design isn't bad. It would fit in well with the canon designs for some other sinner/demon that's not a fallen angel.
to this day i haven't seen a vaggie redesign that i liked more than the original. not that this is a high bar.
That Alastor is just a dude, I dont know how else to put it. He looks so off from the rest of the designs.
I know what you mean, he doesn't look otherworldly enough
>That Alastor is just a dude, I dont know how else to put it.
He's too plain. Way too plain even for a non-Vivzie show. Canon Alastor has one colour too, but all the red is broken up by blocks of light and dark, and his features stand out on his face thanks to the contrast of lighter skin. The redesign doesn't draw the eye anywhere in particular because it's just a wall of dark. Turn your monitor's brightness down too much and he'd disappear into the background of every other scene.
>fat charlie
hnnng
others are shit though
Because they are offended by VivziePop having a unique personal style that draws on classic internet culture and they themselves draw in politically and algorithmically trendy styles.
>classic internet culture
you mean sparkledogs and hot topic right?
>politically and algorithmically trendy styles.
like making them fat or bulky?
i quite like this valentino
oh that's a great look
reminds me of that one flopped movie about ants
reminds me of osmosis jones
He looks like a pimp version of Voldemort
Does it fit the style of the show?? Not in the slightest. Does it look amazing?? Hell fricking yes it does.
I want this Val and show!Val to double team rape me
glad to see Thrax getting more work
i wanna give pets.
i like the poker chip eye
Husk if he Lackadaisycats
That's awful
I like it better than all the "make her a goat" takes
i like how they incorporated the card motifs into the design
I'm never not gonna love this one in particular. The way the card faces are implemented is so clever
correct me if I'm wrong but was that charlie design meant to pair up with this lucifer design?
Yeah same artist, they said they were leaning into the porcelain doll inspiration.
looks more like a robot to me, but frick that lucifer design is killer, exactly how I imagined the devil to be like
I like onebadnoodle's redesigns
The sad thing about designs like this is that it would work in a completely different tone, premise and writing style, which is to say that it fails as a redesign within the confines of the show it is redesigning but opens up possibilities of an original idea.
i think that alastor would work, vox is literally just a tv headed guy.
Yeah but he at least still has a face. When I see that Alastor design, my mind for some reason goes immediately to a faceless deep voiced ambiguous semi-antagonist from a japanese anime, which is awesome but at the same time isn't Alastor. Nothing of the design screams showmanship like Alastor's character has. It at least nails the dubious nature though.
I guess. I dunno, I feel when doing redesigns you should at least stick to the confines of how the designs were created in the first place. If it was "Here would be how I would've done it in Viv's shoes", that's a different thing entirely.
>When I see that Alastor design, my mind for some reason goes immediately to a faceless deep voiced ambiguous semi-antagonist from a japanese anime
It reminds me a lot of Nox.
I think the premise of the show is ridiculous so redesigns might as well go with an entirely different plot but still based on the same themes and aesthetics
I don't hate this
Pretty dapper
it’s nice but he looks like a deltarune character
i like this but it feels like a completely new character. it’s sad that some of these solid designs are wasted on being hazbin redesigns
>multiple legs instead of arms
what about Molly then
...Frick, I actually like this a lot. More recognizably a spider without going too far into anthropomorphic animal territory. His hair looks great, I like that he actually has extra eyes, and he's the perfect amount of androgynous.
Angel Dust already has extra eyes. They're his freckles.
best itt
If Alastor looked like this I'd probably ship Charlastor
literally every single redesign itt is shit. not even just bad but ungodly shit.
At least Vaggie is still hot.
These are also interesting
Vags
The only one that comes close is 1 (For personality) and 4 (For raw design). It's like again they forget she is supposed to be a disney princess in hell.
Personally I like 3. The face is sufficiently "aristocratic", the costume stands out enough, and the horns reminds me of a tiara. The caveats would probably be the earrings (replaced with inverted crosses), and animating the horns.
what do you mean by “aristocratic”?
Face is not too squat and chubby
Prominent nose
Wow these are the most generic by a 26 year old who later gets done on trying to frick teenage girls designs possible.
Hideous
i like these
good but i dont hear the old timey transatlantic accent, I hear keith david voicing this instead of husk
I hear a cab calloway knockoff which is what they were probably intending
all this thread shows me is the vast majority of artists absolutely suck at redesigns.
what did you expect
most competent artists don't admit to having watched the show
>all this seething
hazbin troons can't accept their beloved vivzie is objectively dogshit at designing characters
I am of the opinion that they don't fit the characters or tone the show is going for
>inb4 "good".
Listen, if you are going to redesign something without changing premise, you gotta stick to the design doc laid out for you. The vast majority of these were designed when we only had the pilot and they still don't follow the purpose of the character.
>objectively
Every single one of these “redesigns” feels like some shit from DeviantArt by someone with a blocklist for acephobia
the worst part is that Alastor design STILL has the same problem of being too monochrome
>Trying to redesign Lucifer
Always shit and the people who give him a human nose rather than at least snake nostrils in more detailed art are weak. He's perfect.
Angel and Vaggie actually look pretty good in this one. But yeah, these are almost always complete dogshit.
because Viv is bad at character design. take Alastor. He's supposed to be the "Radio Demon" but this isn't reflected in his design at all (only thing that shows this is his mic), especially not his outfit (generic suit and bowtie instead of something from the 20s). He has a deer/wendigo thing going on but his antlers aren't very prominent (the hair ends up hiding them). He has 2000s scene styled hair instead of 1920s styled hair. He is a master of voodoo but this ALSO isn't reflected in his design at all.
He could work as a character design, but you'd have to change him significantly to make him work. And most redesigns frick this up by neglecting or removing many of the things that Viv also fricks up.
Venom Snake from MGSV is a good example of balancing out multiple motifs/symbols in a character.
>soldier/spy: military briefs/sneaking suit and gun
>demon: shrapnel horn in head, red arm, and loose belt as the tail
>pirate: eyepatch and prosthetic hand
>cyborg: metal prosthetic
>frankenstein: stitches
But Viv can't do something like this because she doesn't know how to appropriately layer multiple facets of a character, she just vomits stream-of consciousness crap or mimicks her favorite animated stuff without understanding why those designs worked.
Generic suits with bowties existed in the 30s when he died in-universe and the antlers grow to full size when he goes Super Saiyan. But I get what you mean. Realistically he would've gelled his hair back like every guy did back then
The ideal Alastor design should implement all of his symbols.
>Colors: go with sepia or black/white like he stepped out of an old movie
>Radio: suit and slacks that 30s radio announcers wore. keep the mic! Perhaps have his horns resemble radio antenna? Slick that hair back or curl it!
>Deer/Wendigo: big horns, as if to say he's the prince of the forest, implement "deer fangs", which could also allude to vampirism? Either way, he eats people.
>Voodoo: combine with the wendigo, perhaps give him skull makeup? or a skull mask? or puts pins in his body ala a voodoo doll? Or stitches across his mouth.
Black and white is a little on the nose, I'd rather his suit be a red-mahogany color like the little radio featured in Stayed Gone. Close enough to red that it gets the evil across
No can do. Viv had to erase most of the voodoo symbolism from him was because twitter tards screamed cultural appropriation
>like he stepped out of an old movie
>movie
>make the design even more fricking muddled by adding a bunch of voodoo shit
This is why you fricks can't be trusted with anything.
So it doesn’t reflect except in the thing he literally always has?
He has a goddamn radio crackle everytime he talks what do you want?
Do you think suits didn’t exist in the 20s?
The living shadow moving around and acting like Princess and the Frog isn’t enough?
not him but i would say alastor's look is all over the place. he's voodoo, deer and radio, he has too many aesthetics competing
Not really. His entire primary aesthetic is the radio host gentleman and the deer/voodoo is only minor details that become pronounced to show him unleashing his power.
Trying to cobble several Charlie redesigns together
this outfit would be cute on a 'dress up' episode.
It feels, busy, to be honest. I like the attempt and it comes together better than most, but, it feels busy.
Uuuh, the frick?
>Colors: go with sepia or black/white like he stepped out of an old movie
Dudes, my guys, he's RADIO! Not Movie/Film. Unless you can tell me what color Radio is, making him Black and White or Sepia makes no fricking sense. Should he be more muted perhaps? That's a fair suggestion, but saying he should be themed after the look of 1930's visual film isn't just lazy and generic, but goes against his own hatred for the visual media of television in general since he's strictly an non-visual format. It just misses the point entirely.
If anything he should look like personified radio noise/static.
Yeah, I abandoned it bc it's too cluttered and unsuitable for animation
tried to cut down on the clutter
Is that fricking Alastor?
>fat
Probably because of that
This redesign for Adam is great.
The first man was a spaniard
nah too serious to be him
Nah, much like a lot of designs in this thread, it would be a cool design in general but just doesn't reflect the character as is in the show.
Whether the show's presentation is a good or bad thing is moot, considering that a redesign first and foremost should still fit the concept of the character.
It’s actively worse. That face absolutely loses all the expressiveness
good art, but not good design. makes Adam look even more like a jester or someone's Star Wars OC.
This thread has definitely made me feel a bit better about taking my sweet time on redesigning. (I've been at it since 2020, no I'm not sane)
Might as well post one of the concepts I have for deer Alastor. Not sure if it's his default appearance or some kinda form he can shift into yet.
Looks like a creepypasta character.
I take that as a compliment
Okay went from creepypasta to that sexy rough sketch type, I love how fricking raw all those lines look lmao. Etched like stretched sinews chief. Rough lines like those really work in horror or horrible adjacent shit for some reason.
Thank you! I really appreciate the feedback
Here, have some better quality
Alfred Alfer looking rough
left one looks very cute with the big eyes like the megamind meme, i know i'm not supposed to think it but the impression of big irises gives it cuteness
Him having big ol eyes was supposed to be a mix between cute and creepy, so I'm actually pretty happy you thought that!
Al was so zany in the pilot and I wanted to keep that energy.
i made this
do you like it? please say yes
also there was the radio demon redesign that had his head as a radio that i though was pretty good
I love him being a sphinx-like entity here! Definitely makes him more mystical and I can 100% see Keith's voice fitting it well.
It doesn't really make me think of husk, but I still really like the idea behind it!