There it was N52 run of static that pretty much murdered ANY idea of having a comic of his or even show up at any DC stuff for a VERY long time after dwayne fought DC and died due to the rights of his characters and Dakotaverse.
Needless to say the entire run was SO FRICKING BAD, that it was cancelled after 8 issues
There's a difference between politics in comics done well and politics in comics done poorly or stupidly.
Haven't read the new Milestone or even heard much about it so I don't know which one it is.
Because Vita Ayala and nugays like (You) don't get the difference between true politics and white liberal bullshit. Milestone took pot shots at the black, white, LGBTQ+, and everything in between's crap with no sacred cows spared and a constant jab at the corps trying to pigeonhole minorities into a checkbox. Even the 2000s cartoon did this too but we get Vita saying/writing the same corpo sellout shit McDuffie despised. >TL;DR
You didn't read the original run or watch the cartoon nugay so stop trying to shill for DCrap that's a mockery of everything Milestone & McDuffie stood for.
>>He cites the failures instead of the one who supported an ongoing for 16 years straight.
You talking about Tim Drake? His homosexuality ass ruined all that.
>that homosexual Bendis' OC character >some talentless musllim prostitute's self-insert character >meme character good only for troony jokes
all of those three are indisputably utter shit compared to any remotely popular DC youngster. Cope harder marvelgay
They didn't invest in them at all, that's it. They invested in X-Men when Titans, Legion, and Infinity Inc were getting popular, they gave a token effort with New Warriors, and then gave power over to the Image morons whose characters didn't catch on.
Real answer: DC pioneered sidekicks while Marvel made Spider-Man as a middle finger to prove you could make teen heroes their own individuals to relate to kids rather than as a tagalong/surrogate child to the superhero. Marvel has been fricking it up because they keep writing Established Superhero But Now Teenager And Completely Unrelated To Said Hero which defeats the entire point.
If Marvel wants successful teen heroes, stop writing them as "established superhero but similar and a teenager" and create/market new teen heroes from the ground up.
They have no sex appeal, at this age hormones are exploding and also the rebelliousness that is reflected in the most daring costumes and the total lack of common sense when they are fighting crime this all happens with the new titans of Marv Wolfman and George Perez but This never happens with Marvel's Champions or any other teen superhero group. especially today that they are covering all heroines and putting in countless muslim or gay characters, which teen is going to want to read or buy this? Today's Marvel doesn't know who the comic book reader is and they want to try to push that agenda on the readers and it's failing.
Because DC's teen heroes are written by 70 year olds, and Marvel's teen heroes are written by 20 year olds.
I don't understand it, I can only assume being a teenager was a lot better 50 years ago than it is right now.
>DC constantly killing off their teenage heroes for shock value reduced the Titans franchise to a joke.
The Titans haven't good since 1985 and that was before DC began killing them off for shock value.
Constantly killing them off made things worse for the franchise. There are ways to salvage the Titans (Cinemaphile will bash Taylor, but he's doing it now) without killing characters.
I think the Jurgens series is decent, not amazing but readable. None of the characters are really terrible or anything and cartoon Starfire's persona was taken more from Prysm from that run than the actual Starfire.
I hate the Johns series though. Like usual he got everything about the characters he was using wrong. I don't blame McKeever all that much for his run sucking because he was basically being browbeat by Berganza into writing editorials plots (and they'd often rewrite his scripts anyway).
Sidekicks were never a Marvel thing so they never had much of a reason to develop them outside of things like alternate continuities. That said the good ones, like Spider-Girl and American Dream, are honeslty way better than DC's but DC's are more consistent.
Name 1 young hero character from dc more popular than Miles.
I’ll wait.
Raven & Starfire
but they shouldn't count because popular with coomers =/= mainstream popularity
They are full adults, so they don't count.
BUT if you want to go there, that means Marvel gets to count Peter Parker.
OP was talking about quality, not popularity.
That being said, Teddy, the Gay King of All Space is better than any teen hero DC's made in the last 2 decades.
hey OP, just calling something "shitty" is not a real argument about quality.
Nobody other than Al Ewing gives a frick about Teddy being space king
Fricking Robin
Wait, are you really going to advocate for Damion?
Jason is too old, Dick is REALLY too old, Tim may or may not be old but he's really boring.
In what world is Robin more popular than Spider-Man, you delusional morons?
Robin isn't more popular than Spider-Man. Robin is definitely more popular than Miles Morales.
How many Robin movies are there?
>How many Robin movies are there?
Still a very popular name in pop culture all the way from the Adam West show
Ins't Miles an adult in the comics now?
Bordering adulthood. He's in perpetual last year of high school. He'll be an adult in the next few years once his monthly ongoing stops having events.
He could beat miles if DC pushed him like they did in the 2000s
The bald frick killed static with that garbage n52 comic to the point he was retconned out of existence
qrd?
There it was N52 run of static that pretty much murdered ANY idea of having a comic of his or even show up at any DC stuff for a VERY long time after dwayne fought DC and died due to the rights of his characters and Dakotaverse.
Needless to say the entire run was SO FRICKING BAD, that it was cancelled after 8 issues
And sorry for the caps, but it was so fricking bad that it hurts.
Why TF don't they bring him back? A genuinely popular new teen hero, and a diversity one on top of that. Why not take advantage?
He and MileStones other characters have had new ongoing comics for like 3 years now
>Vita Ayala
Static's been back for a while.Cinemaphile bashes the book for being 'too political', but Milestone comics were always political.
There's a difference between politics in comics done well and politics in comics done poorly or stupidly.
Haven't read the new Milestone or even heard much about it so I don't know which one it is.
Because Vita Ayala and nugays like (You) don't get the difference between true politics and white liberal bullshit. Milestone took pot shots at the black, white, LGBTQ+, and everything in between's crap with no sacred cows spared and a constant jab at the corps trying to pigeonhole minorities into a checkbox. Even the 2000s cartoon did this too but we get Vita saying/writing the same corpo sellout shit McDuffie despised.
>TL;DR
You didn't read the original run or watch the cartoon nugay so stop trying to shill for DCrap that's a mockery of everything Milestone & McDuffie stood for.
Robin.
That doesn't count because it makes me look moronic
what kind of question is that? the whole cast of teen titans comes to mind
Robin? (Dick, Jason, and Damian)
>Robin
>He cites the failures instead of the one who supported an ongoing for 16 years straight.
Have you tried not being moronic?
>>He cites the failures instead of the one who supported an ongoing for 16 years straight.
You talking about Tim Drake? His homosexuality ass ruined all that.
>Miles
weak bait
>DC has better young superheroes
like who
these are adults playing teen roles
>that homosexual Bendis' OC character
>some talentless musllim prostitute's self-insert character
>meme character good only for troony jokes
all of those three are indisputably utter shit compared to any remotely popular DC youngster. Cope harder marvelgay
They didn't invest in them at all, that's it. They invested in X-Men when Titans, Legion, and Infinity Inc were getting popular, they gave a token effort with New Warriors, and then gave power over to the Image morons whose characters didn't catch on.
The whole point of Spiderman was to avoid the teen sidekick trope, and instead be the man.
Teen heroes are corny shit which fits DC's brand
>comic books are corny
No shit and so is spider-man. Have you tried just having fun bro?
>No shit and so is spider-man.
There's levels to it, and clearly Spiderman is a better concept.
>Have you tried just having fun bro?
Teen sidekicks are corny soi shit and objectively bad. Marvel doesn't need them.
>what I like is cooler and more mature than this other thing in the same vein just cause I said so
Yes.
Real answer: DC pioneered sidekicks while Marvel made Spider-Man as a middle finger to prove you could make teen heroes their own individuals to relate to kids rather than as a tagalong/surrogate child to the superhero. Marvel has been fricking it up because they keep writing Established Superhero But Now Teenager And Completely Unrelated To Said Hero which defeats the entire point.
If Marvel wants successful teen heroes, stop writing them as "established superhero but similar and a teenager" and create/market new teen heroes from the ground up.
They have no sex appeal, at this age hormones are exploding and also the rebelliousness that is reflected in the most daring costumes and the total lack of common sense when they are fighting crime this all happens with the new titans of Marv Wolfman and George Perez but This never happens with Marvel's Champions or any other teen superhero group. especially today that they are covering all heroines and putting in countless muslim or gay characters, which teen is going to want to read or buy this? Today's Marvel doesn't know who the comic book reader is and they want to try to push that agenda on the readers and it's failing.
Because DC's teen heroes are written by 70 year olds, and Marvel's teen heroes are written by 20 year olds.
I don't understand it, I can only assume being a teenager was a lot better 50 years ago than it is right now.
I feel like Marvel treats its younger heroes better than DC, especially over the past 10-15 years
Marvel doesn't weed out the weak enough.
Marvel has the right idea. DC constantly killing off their teenage heroes for shock value reduced the Titans franchise to a joke.
I miss Avengers Academy like hell.
Marvel dropped the ball on Avengers Academy by going full DC on the cast.
>DC constantly killing off their teenage heroes for shock value reduced the Titans franchise to a joke.
The Titans haven't good since 1985 and that was before DC began killing them off for shock value.
Constantly killing them off made things worse for the franchise. There are ways to salvage the Titans (Cinemaphile will bash Taylor, but he's doing it now) without killing characters.
>Constantly killing them off made things worse for the franchise.
Letting Perez leave is what really did them in.
I think the Jurgens series is decent, not amazing but readable. None of the characters are really terrible or anything and cartoon Starfire's persona was taken more from Prysm from that run than the actual Starfire.
I hate the Johns series though. Like usual he got everything about the characters he was using wrong. I don't blame McKeever all that much for his run sucking because he was basically being browbeat by Berganza into writing editorials plots (and they'd often rewrite his scripts anyway).
Johns's run was awful. He derailed the Young Justice cast and they still haven't recovered from that.
The less said about McKeever and later writers the better.
I don’t even know who the magic kid is on the right.
How do you know who Hulkling is but not Wiccan
Thumbnail made it look like it was from the POV of a guy pitching a tent in his pants and America was about to punch him in the erection
They're all tumblrina garbage.
Sidekicks were never a Marvel thing so they never had much of a reason to develop them outside of things like alternate continuities. That said the good ones, like Spider-Girl and American Dream, are honeslty way better than DC's but DC's are more consistent.
>Runaways
>Kate Bishop
>Kamala Khan
vs,
>Teen Titans
>Teen Titans
>Teen Titans
>Robin
>Robin
>Robin
>Robin
>Primer
>Monkey Prince
I'll take Marvel.
They're a soup of diversity diarrhea.
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is there any DC teenage hero who is at good at being hypnobait as Kamala? i think not