Why are Miles' stories always about him replacing Peter and taking his mantle? Why do writers keep pushing this divisive bullshit? People want to see Peter and Miles be bros and fight crime together.
Why are Miles' stories always about him replacing Peter and taking his mantle?
>Why is the character created specifically to replace Peter replacing Peter?
Gee, anon...
This is also the reason Miles will never be as popular. Peter Parker is known worldwide thanks to over 20 years of culture prominence in comics, cartoons, movies, games. Everyone knows Peter Parker is THE Spider-Man. Miles will only ever be seen as the replacement. This isn't like the Flash with Barry and Wally, because that passing the torch only happened in the comics and Barry didn't have the same media presence that Peter had, so there was much less backlash to Wally taking the mantle. It's the same reason they wouldn't be able to replace Superman or Batman. Everyone knows who they are, what they look like. And anything different would be seen as a derivative.
Yes. Ask any normalgay of just about any age to name superhero names with their alteregos or normal names, and you'll get
>Superman/Clark Kent
>Batman/Bruce Wayne
>Spider-Man/Peter Parker
And maybe
>Tony Stark/Iron Man
Everybody knows Spider-Man is Peter Parker. Even a lot of people who actually watched the Spiderverse movies would still just refer to him as "that black Spider-Man"
Wally / Barry also had wally be his side kick for years and him taking the mantel with Barry gone and facing backlash due to that. It's not quite the same as a paralell character being made with the same name at the same time and then have him replace Peter.
At least in ultimate it made some sense, even if some people might not have liked it, but shoehorning in 616 was always going to crash and burn, no matter much they had shit on Peter.
This, it's completely different. Wally was around for years, Barry died a badass hero's death, and Wally trying to be Flash was a whole arc in itself. It was all told as a fairly organic story in-universe, it didn't come off as outwardly (one might even say "politically") motivated, he didn't just start out as Barry but more powerful, he wasn't surrounded by dickriders telling him that actually he's the real Flash and that Barry was never needed with him around, he wasn't even that good of a person when he started and had to work really hard to become worth even half the title of Flash. Far as capeshit goes, Wally coming into his own as Flash to the point he became as/more beloved than Barry as a character is one of the few times torch passing worked so perfectly. Nowadays the legacy characters are so ingrained in media culture that DC is too afraid to get rid of them and when they actually did try to dump them with 5G, they wanted too much too fast that they weren't willing to do the kind of legwork a true passing off requires. The big 2 want too much for too little work and time put in, earth-shattering shakeups have become status quo rather than just regular adventures/cases being status quo like they're supposed to be, and the meta reasons for making certain changes are too blatant to be taken in stride.
It's funny when you think that "legacy characters" came before as organic as it was, mostly ethnic white because that was what their creators were, and now we see how forced it is when they race-swap some characters and it falls so fricking flat.
Wallace West was 100% Wally in the New 52, and then they brought back WALLY WEST, the ginger.
That's funny as frick.
I can forgive Wallace since I like him enough and they made him his own thang. The only thing I got tired of was him being a dick to Barry all the time but he's a teenager and that is kind of how people are at that age plus they at least had some cool moments together. It's also cool seeing him and Wally together. It was dumb that nu52 tried using him as a replacement but they did a decent compromise with Rebirth imo.
I agree with you. Although he was a pathetic attempt to replace Wally, in Rebirth he gradually redeemed himself and Wally is such a kind character that he managed to elevate Wallace without losing his shine.
They stuck the landing so well with both Wallies, seeing how poorly other comics attempt to keep both legacy characters and their would-be replacements it's kind of unreal how well Flash handled things.
"How do you sideline the original hero?" is the key aspect to a legacy, because otherwise it doesn't work. Kyle had decent bones as a character, but Hal didn't get the sendoff that Barry did so it the ground was salted for Kyle.
Also, the company has to WANT to sideline the original hero. Dick could totally take over as Batman fulltime, not even in a gimmick that everyone knows will just last a bit. But DC isn't going to sideline the original Batman.
Peter Parker is in this weird grey zone where he's got Bruce's name recognition but Marvel clearly wants to sideline him. A white dude who's two main gimmicks are having a harem and bullying his enemies are not what they want in Current Year. Get that shit over to Cinemaphile. So we're stuck with a weird half-assed effort to push Miles.
It's weird how there has been this apparent schism for years of writers pro-BND and ones anti-OMD, but no one seems to be outright anti-replacing Peter and anti-diluting his character brand at all.
>This is also the reason Miles will never be as popular. Peter Parker is known worldwide
he already is
cope harder Petergay
>Miles sells fewer comics
>Miles' game sells fewer copies
>Miles' movies make less money
>But Miles is already more popular than Peter
sure thing, sport
Miles isn’t even popular in his own movies. More people like Peter B and Miguel.
The first Spiderverse was fine, but to this day I would’ve preferred just a whole movie about Peter A and no multiverse or Miles. His portion was the best part of either movie.
To think that the movie was originally supposed to be about Peter Parker and not the poochie.
Peter A was a boring Stu with a cave, Peter B was the better main character
Of course the movie would be about Peter B. I don't need to tell you that.
Peter B was a pathetic b***h.
He moved from Aunt May's death, that's more than anything 616 Peter did
He divorced his wife and needed poochie to motivate him to remarry her and have kids.
A wife that's ok with divorce is a redflag, he needed to get rid of that c**t.
Miles made him take a bad choice.
Peter A was boring, he had a cave and multiple suits and a shitty complex.
Divorce is a natural part of marriage
>Best fights in the movie
>Personality and voice actor perfectly captured Spider-Man as a character
>B-but he had a cave!
That’s all you have?
He was a lifelong career frickup who routinely got his ass kicked, failed in business, failed in family, and in the end got fat in between crying in the shower for the audience to laugh at. His resting state is looking like a has-been hobo.
One thing that has me livid about Peter A. is that the guy died fighting against Kingpin, who had the cops on his payroll... MJ knew this but still goes to the party HOSTED BY FISK. And the end of the movie has people, the same city who gathered to mourn Peter, who they knew had been Spider-Man since he was a kid, just calling Miles Spider-Man. Not a month passed since Peter A's death, unless I'm wrong.
So his wife stupidly goes to the ball hosted by her husband's murderer, doesn't recognize the voice of her husband from an alternate universe (no reason to assume they don't share the same voice since no one ever comments that they don't), AND the city just up and replaces and forgets about him as soon as they fricking can.
>Peter Parker? Who the hell is that?
It was 5 months between each movie's events iirc
Stop, you're ruining the only movie I liked by making me think about it.
>He was a lifelong career frickup who routinely got his ass kicked, failed in business, failed in family, and in the end got fat in between crying in the shower for the audience to laugh at. His resting state is looking like a has-been hobo.
And that's an interesting arc to explore as he is going to remember what it means to be Spider-Man.
A superhero forgetting his lessons and being apathic toward everything and then getting real again and returning to be his old self is a cape core.
Just it didn't need Miles to do it.
I'll give you all that. I agree, and I don't dislike Peter B. I think he deserved far better than being the funny disappointment in comparison to Peter A. After everything he's been through his hardships are made into laughtracks, and he's reduced to a has-been that never had any tenable success in his life. That's not Peter Parker. Combining this with the fact that they predicate the movie by killing off Spider-Man, already disrespecting him, they then slot in a version of him that never had much respect going for him to begin with.
The man deserved better. He definitely didn't need to have Miles be the reason to remember who he was supposed to be, or convince him that impregnating his own wife is a good thing. The movie failed him and Peter's legacy by making him into a joke.
>Calling the guy who struggled in his fights and died a “Stu”
You don’t know what that means.
Peter A was interesting. His Spidey persona was the right blend of snarky but compassionate, he felt human like with his “I tried to warn you” and “I’m so tired” moments, and his fights scene were awesome.
Lord and Miller can’t write anything if it’s not meta, so there was no way we were getting a straightforward Peter movie.
New generation sees miles as spiderman . It can happen through time.
Do they?
In a Ultimate Spider-Man discussion threads they had to specify Miles and Peter since everyone kept asking
>With Spider-Man you mean Miles or Peter?
I remember last year, before the new USM was announced, some dumbasses on twitter trying to make Miles the "Ultimate Spider-Man". And then the Parker Family was announced and everyone instantly forgot about Miles.
Ultimate Spider-Man has been their Biggest seller in comics since it started. People like Peter.
>New generation sees miles as spiderman
Nope beyond the films nothing movies the needle on Miles popularity
iirc, this was just so the person who owned Miles could try to steal the Spider-Man IP. I thought for years it was subversion, but it really all does come down to money.
Bendis is big on this and is devious enough to know to make his replacements into minorities so there will be social justice push back if companies try to undo them.
well except the comic Post-Secret War and the cartoons where he's just a sidekick to Peter
>People want to see Peter and Miles be bros and fight crime together.
Are you high?
People want to see Peter. That's the reason that Miles clings to Pete's shit instead of going solo despite his 'popularity'.
Because that’s the intent of the character as laid out by his creator and two multinational conglomerates? I’m just impressed how much these two companies push a character based on just skin color alone, it’s been a DECADES and he STILL has no good stories or purpose beyond being black spiderman
>a whole decade of being pushed as the NEXT BIG THING
>still can't outsell Peter in any form of media
Brutal.
Which is funny considering how much editorial has been intentionally sabotaging Peter in a desperate attempt to make miles look better
I want them to discontinue Peter for a while like they did Wolverine just to see what happens. Enough pussy-footing, they need to put their lack of sales money where their mouth is.
They did that when miles first happened anon, ultimate pete was dead during superior.
That was an alternate Peter though, I want the real one gone.
Yeah Otto took over Pete’s body at the same time miles book was going. So what were the sales like back then?
Sales were strong for the first few books, but they soon started to decline and so they brought the original back.
But it was still something obviously temporary.
Wasn’t ultimate petes return only a single arc? Did it happen at the same time as petes return in 616?
I was talking about 616 in Superior Spider-Man. The return of Ultimate Peter 1610 was made in an arc at the end of the life of the universe itself to increase sales that were very low and to give a false sense of security in Miles eventual' transition from Ultimate to the Main Universe.
I heard that they only extended superior to have an amazing number 1 drop the same month the final Andrew Garfield came out.
If they do this and Miles doesn't sell it, it will be more humiliating than Laura as the ANAD Wolverine flopping. It would effectively kill the character editorially for good.
They wouldn't dare.
>It would effectively kill the character editorially for good.
>They wouldn't dare.
I know, that's why I want it to happen kek. Enough lip service pretending that Miles is important enough to be THE Spider-Man.
If they give me USM, they can try this idea at will only for me to finally see poochie die editorially, even though it would take at least 4 years in this.
But to be honest I just wish Miles would take another name, go to another city and actually become a decent Spider-Adjacent.
Yeah same. I'm indifferent to him and even like him in the movies, he just needs to be his own character and not a half-hearted attempt at almost trying to replace Peter maybe but not really but now he's his sidekick oh but he's good enough on his own not to be a sidekick and...basically he needs to be away from Peter and maybe the city as a whole. As they are, the two Spider-Men drag each other down.
It would be devastating.
At least Laura taking over as Wolverine for a while made some amount of sense , given their familial connection, mutual respect, and about 15 years of character interaction between the two to justify it.
Miles had none of that. He just showed up to be Spider-Man one day out of the fricking blue.
My worry is that they’ll actually get someone competent to write or it will be successful either as a fluke or because it’s matched some boom from a movie or some shit. And then they’ll use that as the precedent because they’re always all or nothing with this sort of shit and take forever to change course.
Amazing is holding on by a thread because of Peter anon, I doubt ANY writer could garner enough support for miles to lead that book despite the quality. It’ll be the same as it always is, get a bump for issue one than tank
Pretty much. Miles gets pushed from every angle but at the end of the day, he's a skin color, not a character, so the public doesn't really accept him as the replacement. If the Spiderverse movies didn't exist, Miles would be Danvers tier. As is, he's just above that and as soon as they stop making those movies he will fade back into obscurity, because he has no interesting stories. He doesn't even have villains of his own, he just fights Peter's, as a replacement does.
He's a nothing. Peter Parker is Spider-Man. Miles Morales is Miles Morales.
He does have villains, but they’re either Peter’s, copies of Peter’s, or original villains that completely failed to take off.
>People want to see Peter and Miles be bros and fight crime together.
I would really prefer if it was just Peter as the only Spider-Man, actually.
Because when peter is like "let's fight crime together as spider-men" miles is all "YO IM SPIDER-MAN, YOU CAN BE PETER-MAN BUT IM THE REAL SPIDER-MAN THE ORIGINAL AND ONLY IMPORTANT ONE YOU BE MY SIDEKICK"
Pete can be OTHER Spider-man
HAHA DUDE CAN SEE THROUGH WALLS NOW!!
Yup, but even better than that...
He can just straight-up physically over-power Venom.
And him being overpowered and unbeatable won't get as stake as they like to say Superman is.
When a character you dislike does something cool they’re overpowered. When it’s a character you like they’re badass.
But miles doesn’t have cool fights though, they mostly end with his venom touch and the last few arcs just saying “frick it this means he can do THIS now” with no build up or just makes it boring. He’s a bad character made to pander and established a very bad precedent. It’s just the topper on the shit salad that he ruins Peter both conceptually and narratively. It’s why they have no rapport, because they were never meant to have a rapport. Miles is just written as better and EVERY aspect of the industry wants that except the consumer
You liked it when it was silver age Superman.
Silver sage Superman was creative and original at the time anon, miles is the antithesis of original or creative. He’s the epitome of “content” just an amalgamation of recognizable sites slapped together under a popular brand and safe political message
It's the exact same thing but you don't like it simply because it's Miles
Holy kek
>the first superhero being written getting power ups to ludacris degrees through his first few decades is the same as a literal black copy of a character created to spite him in his 5th decade just being given power ups instead of character development
Anon just admit you only like it because he’s black
It's pretty similar since Miles is the first black superhero ever made.
>comparing the guy who invented that shit who’s supposed to be fantastic and out of this world
>to a le relatable spider-clone from the aughts
lol
Wait what, he's as strong as venom, And has spider-sense dealing with simbiots? What the frick? Wasn't that the whole deal with simbiots and the spider-sense?
Or it was just venom with Peter specifically because venom bonded with Peter first?
I think it should be that Pete identifies Venom as his own body.
I honestly don't know if Carnage triggers Pete's Spider-sense or not, though. It shouldn't be "oh symbiotes just developed spider-sense cloaking" because that's stupid.
Though it could easily be one of those things that varies. Like Carnage is physically stronger than Venom, but that's often forgotten because Carange is slimmer than Venom.
I think it would make sense for the symbiotes that are direct progeny of Venom to be able to frick with Peter's Spider-Sense, but not as a blanket thing.
Miles is physically stronger than Venom, but that's often forgotten because Miles is slimmer than Venom.
That's how it used to be. It's why Ben Reilly could still use his against Venom because they never bonded
Just ranting here but Venom originally was only an 11tonner to Spidey's 10, anyway. Obviously that's no longer the case. Power creep is a b***h sometimes.
I preferred it like that because he's absolutely fricking broken and Spidey has never won more than a single fight mano y mano against him. He always has help, loses, or has to rely on a very unreliable strat. It's not very amazing.
That said Carnage beats the absolute shit out of Venom worse than Venom vs Spidey ever did. Against Silver Surfer Carnage Spidey could barely keep up and not die, but Carnage could handle both Spidey and Venom 2v1 just as easy and Kaine did Ben and Peter.
>It shouldn't be "oh symbiotes just developed spider-sense cloaking" because that's stupid.
All symbiotes derived from Venom are cloaked from spider-sense. This has always been as thing.
You're shitting me with this.
Oh, Anon
Do you not know of Miles' wide array of powers?
Venom blasts
Venom blasts through concrete
Venom blasts beams
Venom blasts explosions
Venom blast-assisted flight (not mastered)
Energy webbing from his fingertips
Invisibility
Electric sword
Venom blasts through forcefields too
You forgot his strongest power: the exaggerated swagger of a black teen.
>Venom blasts through concrete
Spider-Hamon, spider-hamon.
When do we start getting Spider-Stands and Spider-Spin?
It could happen. Considering Miles is the shounen spider-man (aka spider-man with flashy moves).
>twelve year old one shots a veteran superhero who's fought against things that had similar powers to them both many times before and has over a decade of experience of knowing to listen to his precognition
>nah the old hand at this game just gets fricking ZAPPED and insta downed quicker than Electro ever could do to him
still man tbh
year old one shots a veteran superhero who's fought against things that had similar powers to them both many times before and has over a decade of experience of knowing to listen to his precognition
>>nah the old hand at this game just gets fricking ZAPPED and insta downed quicker than Electro ever could do to him
I dunno, man. Electro went down pretty quickly to black teen swagger
I know that's not what you meant, but I wanted to post this image.
He is going to project mini spidermen from his fingers in the next issue.
This can't be real can it? Is funny how they always give miles power upgrades so peter looks outdated compared to him.
They want Miles to be better and more interesting than Peter.
So they give him newer, cooler, flashier powers.
But people don't get interested in characters for their powersets. They get interested because of the character.
Miles, in the comics, has never been an interesting or compelling character though. So... more powers is more popular!
I mean, it's not like Pete ever had a flashy power-set compared to other heroes at the time. Green Lantern (Hal) was pretty close to Pete (1959 vs 19..62 I believe) and Pete still become more popular.
It’s weird pete got power ups at two points, in the 90s when he became captain universe during acts of vengeance and about a decade later with the other when he got a power bump for his sticking powers and vision. Both power ups came with stories around them miles just powers up for arcs like a shitty anime
>when he became captain universe
But anon, Miles did it better-er!
christ
it's because kids these days are into shounen anime so they're trying to make miles into a shounen character
it's racist to show any black characters with any disadvantage
How many fricking powers does he have
All of them except accountability, culture, being able to swim, etc. You know what I mean.
As many as it takes for people to like him, even if they forget about it and never mention it ever again after a single use.
Does anyone even remember that Miles can just outright fly, or shoot laser beams out of his hands anymore?
Whatever seems cool at the moment.
What a little salty b***h Miles is.
Christ he even makes someone else’s death about his own inferiority complex.
Miles is just pissy that Kamala would die for Peter, even though Miles sold some other girls soul that time he her back to life after she died when they were in the champions.
>hol up
>ay
>so what you sayin is
>*smacks lips*
Miles would be so much better received if he could be Peter's sidekick rather than constantly forced in the role of Peter's replacement
A proud black MAN like Miles being a white dude's sidekick is degrading, anon. Miles is Peter's EQUAL. And if not, then he's BETTER.
>Spider BOY
Anon...
What's Spider-boy's first name again? Bailey? Or is that his family name?
Best Boy Bailey
Shut up, Miles. Sit your ass in the back of the web.
Because that's what his original story was when he was introduced. And comics are doomed to keep repeating the same story beats until the bitter end.
I dunno, why are Peter's stories always about him b***hing about his life, ditching his friends and family to fight the same villains even though he hates doing that yet keeps doing it.
and why are all these threads the same, huh? huh?
Cinemaphile loves to repeat things
So does the superhero genre, literally miles stories are either rehashes of Peter or generic shounen slop where the solution to his problem is an out of left field power up.
Pete repeats the "I don't want to be Spider-man" thing because it shows that he's not doing it for gun, he's doing it out of responsibility.
Cinemaphile repeats Miles threads because shills continue to get paid and fans continue to get baited.
>he's doing it out of responsibility.
But ends up learning what hes doing isn't responsible but foolish and harms his loved ones. The problem with Spider-Man is he doesn't practice what he preaches and ends his sabotaging his good intention with ignorant self destructive habits to make things harder to keep things in control. It's like Aut May says, he's not Superman.
>huwite herminey rather than superior canon black Hermoine
>TERFey Potter at all
Bigot alert.
>I dunno, why are Peter's stories always about him b***hing about his life, ditching his friends and family to fight the same villains even though he hates doing that yet keeps doing it.
Blame Spiderman content outside of comics for bring regurgitative as shit with only swapping in and out only a handful of well known arcs/characters to choose from rather than spearing Peter's story into a fresh and better direction.
The shampoo bottles surrounding your bathroom don't count as black people in your schizo argument I'm afraid
Because that's what a real man does: life is hard. He keeps facing it. I'm surprised Miles hasn't gone crying to the avengers to let him join so he'd have an easier time, but since he's a damn Mary Sue, things generally he's been able to handle things solo other heroes can't in a team.
Being an Avenger used to mean something. That give that title away like its fricking candy. It's literally fricking meaningless now. You don't just go awarding every teenager the title and responsibility that comes with being an adult who actively chose that lifestyle. Like, Kamala has a commitment to her education and future. Why in the frick would Sam Wilson actively be comfortable with her fighting supercrime with him? She's a metahuman and he figures the more meatshields the better? Is he trying to play into a criminal's sympathy and expect them to actively not shoot the girl next to him? Is it because Carol is insisting? Why would he into consideration poor judgment, even if its coming from another hero who isn't even the leader? It's stupid. Then she storms off and makes The Champions which sucks but it takes care of the issue of a writer wanting her to be placed on a team. But the Avengers should be considered the A-tier that it is.
>But the Avengers should be considered the A-tier that it is.
Anyone got that panel from an 80s(?) comic of Cap saying Wolverine can't be an Avenger because he flies off the handle too easily and kills people? The Avengers wasn't "A-List" at the time but they did pretend at one point they had standards to follow, and Spider-Man, for any of his faults and quirks, was still unequivocally heroic.
I always thought of the Avengers as "corporate" superhero team. I believe there were several times when Spider-man or other heroes needed help, and they were like "Ah, no, sorry...we don't have approval to help with this/optics on this would be bad for our brand".
It was inconsistent. At one point Spider-Man kinda disliked the Avengers wanting to be solo. At another he desperately wanted in no matter what they thought.
iirc, Spidey wanted to join the Avengers and F4 in his early days because he wanted money. He was denied. And later on, he was denied again because he wasn't a team player. He saw what they were about, they had no secret identities, and were strictly team based. By that point Spidey had a good foundation and experience and didn't need or want a team or to deal with working with them.
But whether or not they kept with that progression is beyond me. I think you can thank Bendis for making him the 'Oh thank god you have money' flanderized broke schmuck he became with the New Avengers.
Isn't that schism was led to Civil War (the comic event, not the lame-ass, watered-down MCU version of the same event)?
Are there actually people who like the original Civil War where everyone was acting out of character for a lame ass superhero fight
I don't like how it went down, I like how it realistically affected ALL heroes, not just the team of B-lis-er, the Avengers. It was an "event" that needed to happen, unlike the current seemingly one every 2 month events we have now that are inconsequential.
That is true. Good in concept.
Peter wanted the attention and respect of them initially because he was a teenager and was desperate for validation because Jameson kept slamming him.
Ay, YO!
"Ya want that assignment, don'cha, Parker?! Bend over the desk!"
No Peter wanted moolah, it's the same reason he wanted to join the F4. He thought they had money. Difference is the Avengers did, but no secret identities were allowed. Peter cared about being shit on constantly, but he wasn't in it for publicity. He wanted money.
Now that you mention it, it is, in a way. Civil War was the super human registration act. No secret identities. Turns out that Peter had the right idea years back about not giving his identity to the Avengers, because eventually the entire team would split up because of that subject.
>bro just take someone else's will and dreams. there's nothing wrong with that!
I've been listening to Caledonia lately, and it came to mind when thinking of Miles
Well I have moved and I've kept on moving
(Changed universes)
Proved the points that I needed proving
(Ehhhh...)
Lost the friends that I needed losing
(Where's Ganke these days?)
Found others on the way
(legacy characters fawning over him like idiots)
I've kissed the fellas and left them crying
(Just wait. You KNOW Marvel will do this)
Stolen dreams, yes, there's no denying
(Taken Peter's position)
I've travelled hard, sometimes with conscience flying
somewhere with the wind
("What If Miles Was"...series)
Imma do Peter's thing
How many times are we going to have this thread? It's not even accurate, as Peter didn't even retire in the game. Is Cinemaphile really that stupid that they can't follow a simple ass plot? The progression here wasn't Peter stepping down, but telling Miles he doesn't need a babysitter when being Spider-Man
>Is Cinemaphile really that stupid that they can't follow a simple ass plot
You already know the answer.
Peter is stepping down to get dragged back in for the third game, it’s obvious but it doesn’t change that the characters suck and miles heavily detracts from the story and setting
He didn’t step down at all. He’s spending time to get his life in order before going back on the job. You know, the entire balance thing May said at the start at the damn game
The end of the game has him saying that he’s going to be away for a while. And considering how fine insomniac was with having miles end the boss fight of the fricking GAME with miles, I’d imagine the “third” game is going to start with miles and after Norman and ocks plan goes off you’ll get the choice to play as Peter. Miles adds NOTHING to the story beyond Peter’s end anon, why is it so hard for you to accept bendises intentions?
Why do you do Olympic level mental gymnastics to be perpetually upset? You’re twisting the ending to suit your own autistic needs
I’m twisting the ending by listening to what the characters said during it, the gameplay before it and what the writers of the game stated after it?
So you’re just an idiot with poor listening skills and reading comprehension?
No, but you seem to be a b***h ass motherfricker who not only doesn’t understand subtext, but has never listened to the writers at insomniac (or spiderverse for the matter) discuss their feelings about the property and who “their” Spider-Man is. Why do you bendis gays get so bent out of shape when discussing his intentions behind creating miles and what miles has added to the franchise as a whole?
I love how you resort to Bendisgay accusations when backed into a corner and can’t actually come up with a counterpoint. We all saw what happened in the game, the script, the context, yet you can’t seem to accept it in favor of headcanon rage bait “subtext”
Want to try again?
The game ends with Peter not being able to save his friend and backing away from being Spider-Man because he feels miles is better at it. What didn’t I understand you major butt licker? Why do you bendis gays just eat up garbage and get mad when people poke holes in how terrible it is? What does miles add to peters story anon? I want to hear what YOU think
I can’t make you understand it, and you’re deflecting. Or rather, maybe you do and instead choose to spin it for the sake of (You)s. Which is it? Scroll up, and explain to me how what happened and reiterated by myself isn’t applicable?
You’re deflecting homosexual, I’m stating the end of the game accurately, you’re just desperate to feel like you’re favorite character is cool and not a b***h pander by people who pity you for profit. Now what does miles add to peters story?
But you’re not? Show me where in the game it says Peter quits. Is May’s speech, the entire lesson of the game, not applicable to you? Also if I’m such a Bendisgay as you claim, why am I defending Peter?
Are you getting angrier by the post because I’m not playing your game the way you want, and you know I’m right?
You’re not answering the question of what miles ADDS to the story anon. Peter is a vestigial part of the game where he’s just there to apologize and make miles look better, which is why most major fights peter is in need miles yet miles never needs Peter. They’re a bad match and Peter is a weak character that has no purpose beyond fluffing miles or MJ. Why are you so weird about admitting that miles is just there to replace Peter? That’s what bendis wanted, it’s what spiderverse wanted and it’s what the writers of the game actively did. Were you ever forced to play as Peter during miles game?
So you’re just going to continue to veer off topic and not confront anything I say, are you?
You supporting the game is bad enough anon, what more do you want me to say? You like the corporate direction for pete that Sony is set so we’re always going to be at odds. You just don’t understand why a toothless Pete who was to weak to fight off the symbiot is unappealing to a fan of the character
Id like you to address the points I made. Or are you unable to go off script?
Yes I did and I’ve already stated a multitude of times that pete is “taking a break to be brought back in for the third game” what’s so weird about that? Why are you unable to look into what the writers themselves have said about it and their plans to have miles be THE Spider-Man going forward? Now why can’t you ever answer any of my inquiries?
No, you said he quit and would be thrust back into his career. You're now changing your stance to appear less stupid
Miles as a character means Peter is superfluous in the Spider-Man story insomniac wants to tell anon. Why are you such a supporter of terrible stories?
You just completely ignored what I said to go off into a different tangent. Why is that? I think we both know
You haven’t said anything beyond being smug anon, I’ve answered you here
and
, all three times I’ve said the same thing. Now why are you so damn smug about saying nothing beyond “it’s not that bad guys”. Pete is a bad character in the story with no agency and is to willing to roll over for EVERYONE because the narrative wants him to be seen as wrong and lesser compared to miles. Hence why the GAMEPLAY ENDS with you fighting as miles, frick man what place does miles have even in this version of venoms story or Harry’s story?
Now, were you forced to play as Peter in miles game?
I'm not smug, I'm calling you out, which isn't that hard. And no, you haven't answered me at all. Going off onto another, easier topic you can rant about, is not addressing what was said at all. Do you just run away when confronted?
No you haven’t restated any question to me anon, you’re just like any other gay using the anonymity to win an argument through obfuscation. Restate the question anon, I’ve asked mine multiple times and you refuse to even acknowledge them
>No you haven’t restated any question
Why be repetitive and go in circles? Everything I've asked is still here. So you're illiterate too? I don't acknowledge your statements because they're diverting strawmen arguments that make the discussion easier for you. Now quit being a big baby.
So you’re just a troll looking to say nothing? That makes sense, why do you refuse to answer my questions? They’re all parts of the full story that insomniac wants to tell, if your questions are so important why can’t you ask them again? You’ve defended the games bad ending and I’ve stated why I didn’t like it, why I didn’t like it and what I hated about peters character both in how he acted and how the narrative treated him
Now you're backed into a corner, making troll accusations based on nothing. Ironic. Why should I properly answer you, which I explained why already had you bothered to actually read my post, when you outright refuse to acknowledge my questions? You keep skirting around them. To summarize you willfully chose to ignore what the game is telling you, willfully chose to ignore my arguments as to why you were wrong, and instead are caught in this perpetual attempt to shift the conversation to what you want it to be. In an effort to not look stupid, you're only making it worse.
And you’re choosing to ignore what the writers of the game are telling you and what they imply through gameplay, making you start and end the game as miles. Why is saying that you HAVE to beat the final boss as miles, despite him having no emotional connection to venom or Harry is bad writing and only there to lessen Peter’s arc? M
>what they imply through gameplay
>Imply
I've already addressed this. Scroll up
> Why is saying that you HAVE to beat the final boss as miles
This is inaccurate, and you know that.
So is the plan now to keep replying, going in circles, ignoring what I've written, and hope I get bored so you can have the final word and feel some semblance of a victory?
No anon it’s the gameplay that counts, you’re FORCED to play as miles during the bulk of the final boss fight, what happens in cutscene doesn’t count for a game. You haven’t said anything other than “nu uh miles is fine” while in no way answering my multitude of reasonable questions. What does miles add to the narrative? What does miles add to peters story? How has he improved the franchise? Were you forced to play as Peter in miles game and why should I be fine with being forced to play as miles during Peters game?
>No anon it’s the gameplay that counts,
So now you've shifted from story, the thing we've been talking about from the start, to gameplay. Which even by your own attempts at an what you call an argument is still inaccurate. And the kicker? You're still avoiding what I've asked.
Why aren’t you answering my question about what miles place is in the narrative and what connection to Harry and venom did he have? What possible narrative reason was there to knock pete out like a b***h for the final fight? You’re just talking in circles anon because you don’t believe in a single thing you’re saying, which is why you refuse to restate your question
>Why aren’t you answering my question about what miles
Because you refuse to answer mine, and I'm not obligated.
>you're talking in circles
By your own doing. Funny, ain't it? You can free yourself from your own hell at any time
>Which is why you refuse to restate your question
We've already covered this. Do we need to add goldfish memory with illiteracy to your list of shortcomings?
The ending sucked because Pete was poorly written because he had to split main character duties with dividsity McGee. I’ve answered the questions you asked multiple times over neither one of us is looking good in this argument anon. You’re just smug about liking a bendis character and mugging for a non existent audience, what else do you need me to say? We’re anonymous here you haven’t asked any more questions I haven’t answered yet don’t have the gall to answer mine.
>The ending sucked because Pete was poorly written because he had to split main character duties with dividsity McGee.
That's the closest you've come to admitting you were full of shit from the start. You went from "Peter quit" to "W-Well....They share responsibilities..." which was a thing from the start of the game, Einstein. Which to recap, you STILL didn't address even half of the other points raised, and you're either too stupid or lazy to go back because you likely weren't paying attention regardless. And the hilarity of it all is your warped brain tries to rationalize "W-We must both look bad here!". Whatever you need to sleep at night. And speaking of sleep, it's about time I sign off to get some. You go repeat yourself or whatever for a last hurrah, or pick on easier prey. It's been fun
You’re just a sad boy defending a bad game and supporting a piss poor character. Every single one of you gays is the same, supporting the worst the industry has to offer while belittling legitimate complaints, have sweet dreams anon.
Jeez. This looks frustrating as a third party. I'm sorry to see this dude being an butthole to you, man.
It’s just the nature of a miles gay, they have nothing to say beyond being smug. They enjoy every slop they’re given and have no ability to actually add to the conversation, just b***h. Is what it is
I mean, shortly after the game came out, Insomniac did come out and say it'd just be Miles from here on out in their games. But we all know how full of shit game devs are, especially when it comes to decisions people don't like
Source?
The point is: miles sucks and shouldn't exist
>Peter is going to step down, furthering Miles profile
>You'll probably only start the game as Miles and marketing likely will lessen him
>Peter will obviously be dragged back one final time
>But will likely have a heroic sacrifice, setting up Miles and Silk
It's obvious what they are setting up.
You think they will cuck Peter again with making silk and miles a thing.
They already cucked themselves by pairing miles with an afro deaf girl. If they split them apart, expecially in some stupid (aka X/TWITTER FEMMINIST) way, they will get all the insults both from the disable and black community.
no marvelgay and a hardcore spider-man gay wants peter replaced in the first place, we always had endeless threads about why miles being in the main 616 universe sucks for that reason in particular, because marvel wants to sell him as THE spiderman, when peter is still there suffering as always.
It's about abolishing whiteness.
Because Mile's isn't a "Bro." He's a copy cat removed an entire generation.
I prefer the new shota redhead sidekick they have going on
>People want to see Peter and Miles be bros and fight crime together.
There’s an upcoming comic about that.
>soijak troony butthurt
many such cases!
>Peter is called Spider-Man
>Miles is called Spider-Man
Has there ever been a comic where that was lampshaded? Something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWBDa-2Y5LU&pp=ygUdZmlyc3QgZ3V5IHRvIGV2ZXIgaGF2ZSBhIG5hbWU%3D
Spider-Man/Deadpool of all things
Isn’t there a side mission with the homeless pigeon dude from the first game and he in no way questions it if it’s miles helping him instead of peter? Its weird how important it is that miles be Spider-Man to the detriment of Peter having a relationship with nyc
A number of comics that mention Spider-Man in modern context usually include a snipe at Peter Parker by having one of characters ask if they're talking about the red/older/original or the black/younger/other one, and then someone noting that they like the black/younger/other one better. Every time. And it's honestly kind of getting stupid when it starts coming from supervillains now.
There would be no problem with Miles if he was still in his own universe, not riding Pete's coat tails. But that would be hard and would require the writers make Miles stand on his own 2 feet.
>Why is a legacy character’s story about him taking up a preexisting mantle?
You have to try to be this obtuse.
There are literally only two ways to save Miles as a character at this point:
A.) Have him be the leader of an Exiles team and just frick off into the multiverse
B.) Actually put him back in a universe where Peter is dead and he has to become THE Spider-Man
Having him be the Luigi to Peter's Mario is fricking boring.
>People want to see Peter and Miles be bros and fight crime together.
People don't want that either, they just want Peter. Miles can go to the trash bin.
>Why are Miles' stories always about him replacing Peter and taking his mantle?
Because people don't think of Miles as Spidey
>One of them is not like the others
Yeah the first one is SpOck
>Even Superior Spider-Man has a nickname that isn't just his first name
Milesbros....
DC have more respect for their trinity that Marvel does.
>Why are Miles' stories always about him replacing Peter and taking his mantle? Why do writers keep pushing this divisive bullshit? People want to see Peter and Miles be bros and fight crime together.
Because Peter doesn't fit anymore the stereotype of Spiderman. Nerds are not oppressed anymore, plus he's white. Miles is black and more hip. Zoomers love him, and that's pretty much it. He is going to replace Peter in the long run.
I just want two things these days.
1. Miles gone.
2. butthole Peter back.
This bullshit about Peter being a dumbass naive man-child is boring and wrong. He was supposed to be an "everyman", with flaws and a temper. Now we have this boring paragon of virtue and a gary stu token poochie.
I would like an butthole Peter too, it would be really fun for people to see today.
He was a good guy, always up for the little man, always protecting innocents and being a nice guy. BUT he was so NORMAL that Venom, in his moronic way of seeing things, doubted his goodwill and thought he was a egoistical butthole.
That shit was the difference. He had a temper, he was not a pleasant guy, he talked a fricking lot and complained a lot when blowing punches. The hero comunity thought him an insufferable buffoon and those closest to him knew he was a good kid (fantastic four) and a good guy when he was a grown up.
I just hate the naive dumb super nice dude who is poor and cries in Iron Man's shoulder about money for gags.
>The hero comunity thought him an insufferable buffoon
That was never true until Bendis. The community thought he was abrasive and untrustworthy because all too often he found himself wrapped up in controversy. But he was never a buffoon, if anything the fact that he had the respect of some of the most promininent presences in the community spoke for him. Cap, the X-Men, Wolverine, Daredevil, the F4.
Peter's problem with the community was that he was a solo act who never worked well with a team. And most of the community was team based. It's why he's included, by Hawkeye, in the 'outsider' group that has Clint, Logan, Frank, and Spidey himself. He was not good with people, but they all knew he WAS good people. He did good work, just not someone most preferred to work WITH,
And then Bendis comes along and makes him the 'lel, can't stand this goofy homie' jokester of the community that has stuck like shit to a toilet bowl.
Nta but I've noticed any hero that used to talk shit and clown on his foes gets new writers that misconstrue that chad behavior as "um...he's lame and tells dad jokes" which happened to Sonic for a while too.
Peter was really abrasive originally, but he also did his best to try and do the right thing at the end of the day. It took him a while to finally grow out of that behavior, and become friendlier.
Considering he lost his father figure at that foundational moment of his teens and was forced to grow up so quickly, shoulder inhuman responsibility, be a man of the house, and fend for himself, it always makes sense for Peter to be an butthole barely keeping his annoyance at the world in check. He was a hormonal teenager and then a put upon young adult, and then having to deal with widespread mistrust and false accusations despite doing his best for years by that point.
If anything, him going from that to as Ned Flanders friendly as he is now is what doesn't make sense. He should still have an attitude, but be more mellowed out about it because he's older, seen far more shit than he should have, and has managed to handle it far better than anyone else in his should could have.
He was turning into an butthole before Ben died though.
Someone wrote a good basis for why that was though. Essentially it was
>parents dead at a young age, child blames himself
>taken in by an old couple who could die any day
>wants to drop out and get a job to help support them and make things easier on them to repay the love they gave him
>they want him to stay in school and capitalize on his brains
>his brains and academic efforts alienate him from others and make him a target
>fine, didn't need you people anyway
>just trying to make something of himself and let the people who raised him live in comfort for as long as they can before he loses them like his dad and mom
>then his second dad gets fricking murdered
Even before his powers Peter had a good reason for being an butthole.
Also he got raped by Skip
That, sins past, OMD. and Reign are like the four horsemen of Spider-Man
I fricking hate them lmao
Reign was really good though.
Disagree. The entire thing with MJ is bad enough. But then you have Peter as a pathetic old man being pushed around in old age, with all of years of hardship amounting to a thankless, embarrassing job and lonely life. The entire book is then mostly him getting his frail, old, has-been ass kicked through the pages.
For a TDKR ripoff, it really left out the part that's supposed to show the character regaining their old spark. Because Peter's gets snuffed out just as soon as it starts, routinely. He doesn't even beat the big bad in the end. Where TDKR has Batman as a badass still being a badass in his old age, Reign has Peter as a sad old man.
The one good thing it did was bring one of the best characterizations of Venom to the table. Half jilted lover, half forgotten and abandoned child. Venom goes on to 'protect' the city like it thought Peter always wanted, and warpedly does it in a way that reunites them in the end.
>You... you did all of this because of me?
>No, why would you ever think that, Peter? It's not like you took me in, saved me, and then ABANDONED me on a planet far from my home...
That's the only good thing that book did.
I liked the bit with Sandman and his daughter, Hypno Hustler, Here Comes the Spider-Man, the idea of Peter burying his classic suit the day MJ died, and the final sequence of MJ encouraging Peter from beyond the grave.
>Here Comes the Spider-Man
Peter gets his ass beaten into the ground in front of a crowd immediately after that, showing he's just a 'weak' and pathetic 'old man'. He needs to be saved by a literal skeleton, anon.
I respect what you like about the story and enjoy what it did with the symbiote immensely, but it was just such a downer and disrespect to my favorite character 9/10. Shit was just downright depressing for me.
Wait, no, I misremembered the Here comes the Spider-Man part. Mea culpa.
No biggie. I respect your opinion too.
Same as any teen honestly
Wasn't it a minor plot point in Ultimates that Nick Fury was legitimately worried Spider-Man would go super-villain at some point because of how much shit he's had to deal with?
It was a very reoccurring plot point. Fury had every expectation that Peter would just snap. He had an entire battalion of spider-slayers made just for him, that's what happened during clone saga. Fury ended up regretting this after Peter died because he realized that Peter had been the real deal, and he really missed him and regretted not supporting him more.
>The hero comunity thought him an insufferable buffoon
Nah, at most they thought he was untrustworthy and an butthole, and even then most of them got over that after working with him
I loved that part with the new warriors when they were fighting darkling or whatshisname and they all turn to spider-man for advice because he's the one with tons of experience
I mean it at the start, you know. Not too long after that he was a respectable member of the community, but still a loner. I love the real, experienced, ADULT Spidey.
Anon they had a whole fricking book called "team-up" that was Spidey + Hero of the week
You dont get to call yourself loner when you're doing that shit
Well, Spidey sells. Even if he weren't too much of a team-player.
Isn't that wolverines thing? Spider-Man has friends in superheroes he depends on, hell he needed Cap(and Avengers) and Wolverines(and Xmen help over anyone and sought their help more than once because he sees himself as a rookie compared to their paragon status. It's not like he's Batman where heroes need him and he's generally a true anti social enigma but truly has the ability heroes need. Spidey pretty much doesn't exist in the bigger scope of things because heroes are simply better than him while he's just a dedicated practical vigilante street 24/7 with mid tier comic book genius.
Those team-ups always happened through happenstance. He rarely sought out other heroes for help
One part I always liked is that as much as Captain America ragged on him for his attitude, he had a lot of respect for Spider-Man.
Actually one What-If I weirdly liked that touched on how much people actually liked Spider-Man was where the Punisher killed him. And is immediately fighting for his life when literally every superhero in New York is out for his blood, and he's having to run for his life from Cap and the Fantastic Four.
>I just hate the naive dumb super nice dude who is poor and cries in Iron Man's shoulder about money for gags.
What I really truly hate about the death of Spider-Man in Infinity War was that he didn't have ONE FRICKING MENTION of Aunt May. I was waiting for it. It would have cinched everything for me.
>Aunt May...I'm so sorry, May...I'm sorry, May.
THAT would have hit home. Peter sobbing for his surrogate mother in his final moments and asking Tony to go look for/check in on her. And then we cut to her 5 years later instead of therapy circle with a gay man or whatever you could have has an emotionally wrenching scene of Steve going to their residence. Maybe he makes regular welfare checks on May. And maybe May resisted initially because Tony took forever to get back and touch base with her but she can't bring herself to be angry with Captain America but heroes in general? I don't know but there's something there. I feel like leaving her out misses a fundamental piece of who Peter Parker is. I'm not advocating for Mephisto levels of bullshit.
>SATAN PLEASE NEVER LET ME GROW AND DEVELOP AND MATURE AS A MAN. PLEASE NEVER LET ME TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY AND BUILD MYSELF A LIFE I CAN BE PROUD OF. BRING BACK MY OLD DYING AUNT WHO HAS LIKE HALF A WEEK TO GO ANYWAY EVEN THOUGH, GIVEN HOW SHE LIVED HER LIFE, SHE'S A FRICKING SHOE-IN FOR HEAVEN AND BEING WITH MY UNCLE AND THE LORD FOR THE REST OF FOREVER
Would make sense if Peter knew he was dying but I don't think most of the snapped did.
He saw the others get snapped, but let’s lot forget that scene ends with Tony wiping Peter off of his hands. So the problem there was the writers and directors not doing their jobs to remind the actors of what the characters should say and act
And to think, that's back when Marvel had writers and directors...
Let’s not forget that the best marvel directors the mcu dealt with in their prime were tv directors as well. People who come from an industry that tacitly understands that shit happened BEFORE the movie and shit will happen AFTER the movie, so it’s weird that they made no attempt to correct them
That's fine, Marvel and Disney are too big to fail so they don't need project supervisors or anything
As much as I hate how bloated the bat family became even if I like some of the characters individually, it can work because they mostly don't have powers so technically anyone with a good heart for justice and the right training can be a part. Having so many spider people is moronic because of how far backwards you need to bend to accomodate for the fact that so many exist and in one world since initially it was something unique to one guy.
>Having so many spider people is moronic because of how far backwards you need to bend to accomodate for the fact that so many exist and in one world since initially it was something unique to one guy.
Worse. They all exists in THE SAME CITY and AT THE SAME TIME.
I GOT A SPIDER ARMY AND YOU CAN'T HARM ME
>People want to see Peter and Miles be bros and fight crime together.
Literally the premise of the new Spectacular Spider-Men book.
>Peter and Miles be bros
It wouldn't have even worked for Ultimate. In 616 Peter is nearly old enough to be Miles' dad, if he had him as a teen that is. I want to see Peter be a father figure to Miles and guide him through the powers and strife that fricked Peter's life up at Miles' age. I want to see Miles look up to, respect and admire and be grateful for Peter. I want Peter to see Miles as a friend he is afraid to lose after having lost so many significant ones, and Miles to unintentionally rebel against that, just like Peter would, because he's 1. a stupid teenager, and 2. has faith in Peter that he will always be okay with Peter's help, juxtaposing Peter's lack of faith in himself, because his track record of keeping those close to himself safe and prospering is very nil.
I want them to respect Peter's legacy and actually have him MENTOR this kid. Peter's a good teacher and father, and Miles lacks - or did lack - just what Peter had at his age: someone to rely on for both in and out of mask things, and to guide him. The perfect fricking premise is RIGHT there without making Peter a washed up disappointing joke like in the spider-verse movie, for frick's sake!
Why should Peter need to do that when Miles was already a better hero than him as soon as he started?
He wasn't though. Miles didn't want to take Peter's place as Spider-Man in the ultimate universe, and no one cared for him trying to before they had Peter's supporting cast give him asspats. He did so out of guilt because he felt he could have helped save Peter. He constantly questioned himself and if Peter would even like him, because Ultimate Peter had far too many instances of copycats and imposters to ever be okay with him. Miles then even gave up once his mother died, because he couldn't save her either.
Peter was already his Uncle Ben, and people never seem to realize that. He had the power to do something when someone important was in trouble... and he didn't, and they died. If Bendis was worth a damn he'd capitalize on one of the best parallels between the two characters ever and make something of it. And now he's in 616 where Peter's older, wiser, and can teach him, but more importantly, the chance of Miles having to see him die is lower as a result. But it's still something Miles, if written as being properly traumatized by what happened to Ultimate Peter since it happened when Miles was like, fricking 12, would do everything in his power to avoid.
Instead of that though, yeah Bendis Weekend at Bernie's Ultimate Peter, has 616 Peter do a jig for them both to jerk Miles off, and gets Miles power creep and popularity creep in 616. Frick Bendis.
Amazes me that Bendis gets so much work
Its why I was surprised that spiderverse stuck to killing off a young Peter for their story, wouldn’t it have made more sense to have it as an old Peter miles gets his powers and then the multiverse shit is just them running into a young arrogant Peter? Have Peter be the lead of the first movie and make miles the heart. That way they could make Peter be miles “uncle Ben” by having the climax begin with his death forcing miles to save the day on his own. But bendis NEEDS a young Peter to be killed because miles is meant to REPLACE Peter outright and not simply succeed him, it’s weird that’s that what nick lowe and sony want admittedly
>it’s weird that’s that what ... sony want
I'm not surprised by anything after "Cities can rebuild, Zach."
I want Peter, Miles and Bailey team up just to see how that premise go, with pete trying to mentor two spider-kids.
Why would he need to mentor Miles?
the real reason is that anger stirs passion far more than Aristotle's idea of 'catharsis' being the key to an effective story.
Humans have a story telling tradition that comes from entertaining each other around a campfire. Businesses WANT FRICKING MONEY -- this is all they are money wanting mindless machines -- and they found out that while humans prefer 'good stories' they will talk about, participate in, and give free advertising to DIVISIVE and needlessly confrontational or absurdly controversial stories.
Hate to break it to you, but if you ever get upset over some megacorp media monopoly's wage-slave-slop, then you fully help perpetuate it. The poison is working as intended.
>Hate to break it to you, but if you ever get upset over some megacorp media monopoly's wage-slave-slop
Yeah that's basically all Cinemaphile has been for years.
>Why are Miles' stories always about him replacing Peter and taking his mantle?
You know it's funny how people often repeat this but when you look at most of the actual official material it's almost the complete opposite.
>Original Bendis Era had Ultimate Peter come back to beat up Miles, snag his web-shooters, then fight Norman before saying “yeah whatever dude you can be spider-man I guess” then promptly fricking off with MJ into the sunset. After Secret Wars he takes back the mantle with Miles gone and becomes leader of the Ultimates.
>Cartoons have him be nothing more than a sidekick, even renaming him to "Kid Arachnid" and "Spy-D"
>616 has him be as far apart from a traditional Spidey with him founding his own teen Superhero team in The Champions, his parents knowing he’s Spider-Man and barely interacting with Peter disregarding the occasional cameo or crossover event. More so getting involved in wider Marvel universe shenanigans.
The only two versions this claim sorta applies to are the Spider-Verse flicks and Insomniac, the latter dubious since Peter and Miles are more so partners on equal footing and the ending is more or less "hey pete you should focus on yourself i can handle things while you take a break". Obviously Pete's gonna come back for the next game.
Peter Parker is too popular, too widely beloved, too recognizable to EVER be replaced. They tried in the 90's, and it failed. It failed so hard they still make jokes about how it failed.
It's funny. They triend to replace him in the 90's with himself and it failed.
>Original Bendis Era had Ultimate Peter come back to beat up Miles, snag his web-shooters, then fight Norman before saying “yeah whatever dude you can be spider-man I guess”
I mean, ignoring the time before that where Bendis had 616 Peter get beaten up by Miles then had Miles conveniently save the day by conveniently knowing where Mysterio was and then being the one to actually beat him.
And even with Ultimate Peter, he literally has to frick off from his entire life, including ditch Aunt May, Gwen, and his great responsibility, just to justify Miles headlining the book.
>pic
What the frick were they thinking when they made this? Peter getting effortlessly destroyed and embarrassing by Miles while complementing him like a cuck? So stupid
Bendis has always written Spidey as very weak. Miles' first run in 616, the very first issue, in the very first pages, Spidey get's KO'd... by hitting his head on a curb.
A curb.
It seems like he likes doing that in general. He claims fricking Superman isn’t a planet buster.
>Why are Miles' stories always about him replacing Peter and taking his mantle?
This has only happened twice, the comics and Spider-Verse and both were undone
He’s not permanently replacing Peter. Peter just needs a break while he sorts his shit out. Besides, they’ll have to bring him back at this point, since everyone hates Miles’ trash new suit, and the Lethal Protector leak revealed that multiple playable characters besides Venom will be available. There’s also no way they’re going to finish the trilogy without having Peter go one on one with Norman.
>we now have people actually trying to justify Miles on Cinemaphile
How did it all get so bad? Is it just game and movie secondaries?
I think it's just the Cinemaphilemblr side of the board.
They're told that Miles has the exaggerated swagger of a black teen and thus feel compelled to defend him at all costs against the heckin evil racist anons
Because they know that it doesn't make any sense for both of these characters to be called Spider-Man, and it's racist to call Miles anything else
Spider-Man suits need to be at least 2 colors, with 4 as the absolute max.
>with 4 as the absolute max.
homie it's a superhero costume not an NES sprite.
5 colors like the Evolved suit makes the design way too busy and complicated. Keeping the suits as simple as possible generally leads to the best designs.
Not implementing a color limit can lead to shit like this.
Holy frick that hair.
What about it?
All of Insomniacs' suits are shit, including the changes they made to the comic suits.
It was created by Adidas to be a shoe advertisement. Miles needs to pay for college somehow, and taking time out of saving people during an alien invasion to make a new suit just seemed like a good idea.
But the worst part is that in-universe its a "miles morales orginal"!
He just has no taste! He wasted his fricking money on shoes in the middle of a crisis! Or even worse, fricking looted them during an alien invasion
I'm not exaggerating when I say whoever approved this design should be pushed out a window.
the top of his head looks like a bowl full of shit
>Literally make him a jogger
Did /misc/ work on this game?
The Ultra Mid 4D Suit
You know, I think I honestly wouldn't hate it if not for the exposed nappy rat's nest on his head. It's like they just have to make sure everyone knows he's black even when 95% of his body is covered.
A lot of the redesigns that cover up the hair look considerably better
It’s not good, but it feels like it’s executing the idea the Devolved suit was trying to for a bit better.
>Pile of dog-doo on head
Why?
Besides that it looked better in the thumbnail, when it looked like clothe instead of metal and mesh
"We have Spider-Man at DC"
lol he's got the facemask like he's gonna go into the Nike store and brazenly shoplift a trash bag full of shoes
>Nike
Miles is an Adidas guy...unironically that's part of the reason his new suit is so shitty. It's a cross promotional thing.
right I was referencing all the videos on the internet of nogs going into stores and just loading up a duffle or garbage bag full of shit to steal and then walking out the front door.
>Miles is an Adidas guy...unironically t
He’s a Nike guy. Insomniac made him is a cornball.
It’s just a reference to his Femboy suit
I hope they saw the backlash to this suit and, instead of fixing it, double down on it in the sequel like they did with the MJ sections
This suit perfectly resumes Miles existence. A character for blacks and those who fetishize them VS Peter, a character for everyone.
>End of first game
>Peter makes a new suit specifically to counter Doctor Octopus
>End of second game
>Miles makes a new suit because he wanted a new look
>This is while Venom tendrils have taken over the entire city
The cuts they made to the story made everyone seem like such a idiot buttholes its hilarious
Harry goes from best friend to "YOUR A FRAUD SPIDER-MAN" in 2 cutscenes, MJ being a serial b***h who thinks she's so important, peter being straight up moronic, danica raking credit for saving the city and miles taking a break from the impending apocalypse to get some fresh drip.
Such a clownshow
Nah that's just how millenials would act in those situations
It's funny how no one likes this suit. Spider-Man fans hate it. Miles fans hate it. Casuals hate it.
Because it’s ugly, and the killmonger hair sticking out of the top is just stupid looking.
YOUR SUIT COST US THE GAME AWARDS MILES
literally the only good parody of the Afro shit in modern comics, but is so tiring when the show that parodied it is doing it as well
>literally just a forced adidas advert suit
Why is Miles so overwhelmingly corporate?
This looks like the sort of shit /misc/ would come up with.
>OK HE'S SPDIER-MAN BUT BLACK
>HE'S GOT TO WEAR A HOODIE
>AND JORDANS
>AND A FRICKING AFRO ON THE TOP OF IT
Have Pete and Miles ever had any conversation that's not about Pete directly praising Miles as the superior in some form or capacity?
They barely converse at all. That new Spectacular Spider-Men book is gonna be the first time they've actually been paired together in any real sense, and the solicit for the second issue is already making fun of Peter while praising Miles
>People want to see Peter and Miles be bros and fight crime together.
We do?
Why is Peter such a whiny homosexual? He fricks super models and he gets to beat up people all day.
Not anymore. Felicia left for Paris to frick her girlfriend and Man Jaw continues to be a b***h.
Insomniac Felicia was debatably worse than MJ with the shit she pulled during the DLC. Hardly an upgrade and not really prettier than the first game's MJ
She still saved his life at the end, and helped him take down Cyborg Hammerhead. He also got to rawdog her so many times that being the father of her child wasn’t off the table.
After emontionally manipulating him, putting his life in danger without telling him why, and making him think she, the mother of the child she led him to believe, was fricking dead. Only to them pop back up, never apologize a single time, and frick off yet again.
I get what you mean anon but sex doesn't make up for the level of bullshit that woman put Peter through in such a short amount of time.
The suit makes up for it.
She was worse by simply having that awful fricking outfit and only a long ponytail to make her stand out. Not necessarily visually exciting. She's supposed to be a femme fatale heart-throb. She's gotta look the part. And baby scares are NEVER fricking cool under any circumstance. Peter deserves more than to be toyed around with like that even if Felicia was just enjoying making him squirm under the mask. Toying with his good nature is something she does but she isn't mean-fricking-spirited. She loves Peter. Truly loves him. If Peter wasn't with MJ then like 7 times out of 10 he's finding his happiness with Felicia Hardy. That's their dynamic. Felicia provides a dynamic for Peter where she fully supports the life he gives himself to: crimefighting and superheroism. Felicia would readily kill anyone who seriously comes at Peter if she could manage it. Peter uses the mask as a filter for who he really is. He's in terrific shape and he jumps on people's walls and his mask doesn't have a mouth so combine that with his motor mouth and joking around and you can see how Peter can rub people the wrong way, when he isn't trying to. Which explains why it's canon how Sam Wilson can't sanction Peter's buffoonery in any continuity. But Felicia is instead drawn to and excited by and attracted to Peter, meaning technically she's already picked up on so many facets of his character that he thinks others overlook. Or Peter may insist that he has more going on under the mask--which conflicts with Felicia's perception somewhat. And therein lies the drama of their relationship. The doomed tragedy of Felicia being a parallel of MJ who can't give herself entirely to Peter but is likely more than willing if certain circumstances or certain redheads weren't in the picture.
That's their dynamic. They are best friends. As a couple should be.
>Well why don't YOU go talk to my best friend and former lover? The woman I guessed was carrying my child? She'll totally listen to YOU Miles
>Well why don't YOU go talk to my best friend and former lover? The woman I guessed was carrying my child? She'll totally listen to YOU Miles
I don’t really remember Peter saying that. I remember MJ and Miles keeping a lot of what was happening with Felicia to themselves until it was already
over with. Either way, it really sucks that Miles was the one who was there for that mission, and not Peter. There should’ve either been some kind of interaction between them where she apologizes for screwing with him so much, or doubles down on what she did, leaving Peter with more resentment to unleash when he gets the Symbiote. It’s also completely bullshit that Felicia is almost completely absent from a Symbiote Spider-Man story, and they gave her an updated model for one mission.
Peter said something to the effects of
>She won't listen to ME about this...but she might listen if this information is coming from someone she DOESN'T KNOW.
And it just...makes you want to scream. Just because Miles is active doesn't mean he had to be present for Spider-Man 2. If anything I would've made an excuse for the kid to be out of the fricking city. Venom on its own is a personal problem for Peter. Venom, for as cool as he is, isn't a rogue can just be readily shared with other heroes.
I see. I guess I just forgot then. I think it was a real bad idea to shove Miles into that situation, since Felicia should have no reason to listen to or respect Miles at all. A lot of Miles’ content felt tacked on and clumsy, and having him take the final two phases of Venom for himself was really dumb.
Honestly, they could have still had the Miles vs Venom!Peter fight without bullshit making Peter look weak.
>Fight starts off as a mental fight(staged as a regular fight) of Peter against Venom internally, throwing his issues and insecurities back ion his face, and Peter defending himself with all the good stuff he has going on in his life. Unwinnable, but more because they're both evenly matched and can't really get any ground against the other.
>Swaps to Miles arriving and trying to fight Venom!Peter. And more or less gets his ass kicked because he's fighting the original Spider-Man with a lot more experience. However Miles manages to get a lucky solid jolt on Venom before getting clobbered into a nearby wall.
>This weakens Venom slightly, but not really enough to help Miles by itself. But internally it gives Peter an opening to start hitting back at Venom, which distracts and weakens Venom long enough for Miles to get a second wind.
>Rest of the fight is both fights happening at the same time, starting off as Peter.
>Every so often, a scripted heavy hit on Venom has a brief slowdown effect as the fight transitions smoothly to Miles doing the same heavy hit, and continues playing as Miles for a bit.
>The fight transitions happen about 3-4 more times before the fight ends.
>Final hit shows a splitscreen of Miles and Peter both clocking Venom which knocks him off Peter for good. Both Peter and Miles are fricking ragged afterwards and have a good tired laugh about the whole thing.
>Honestly, they could have still had the Miles vs Venom!Peter fight without bullshit making Peter look weak.
Enemies take more damage in the air. Guess who gets to fight Venom exclusively in the air + have electricity powers on the backburner in case he needs it? Yeah, Miles. He trivializes the encounter entirely. I like the kid but he's redundant and is too much of an "I Win!" button for Peter's rogues. Peter is already actively holding back. He handicaps himself by only using a small percent of his true strength while everyone else guns at him at 100%. This is what usually contributes to Peter getting either fricked up or caught flatfooted and killed in an alternate universe.
Felicia loves Spider-Man but MJ loves Peter Parker, that's always been how it was.
Felicia learned to love Peter afterwards, but she missed her shot by then.
A tale true in every universe, and why Felicia is always the worst choice. She only learns to love Peter for Peter after he no longer wants her and she no longer has a chance with him.
>Paris
>MC2 Felicia had a Parisian girlfriend
Oh no.
>Felicia was lying about having a son
>never said anything about a daughter
MJ would go ballistic.
She’ll have to suck it up and babysit her boyfriend’s daughter.
Fricking LOVE JMS Peter.
Anon he hasnt done that in almost 20 years
That makes a lot of sense. MJ was absued by her father, so she falls in love with the strongest and kindest man in her universe (Paul)
This is why I can't hate Reign. Even if it IS just a TDKR rip-off with radioactive spider cum
This whole moment and all the scenes with the villains make the book genuinely pretty good despite its flaws. It's very far from the worst Spidey story of all time, and that claim is usually only parroted by secondaries who haven't actually read it but have seen a youtube video/WhatCulture article bring up the radioactive semen bit
Game Miles is the only good one
All Miles’ are garbage
multiversal constant
First game Miles was adorable in the DLC. They really leaned into him being Peter's admiring younger brother who looks up to him and it worked
I would like to read an elsewords story in which the replacement wlready hapoened and you just follow peters common life without anybreferences to superhero life or miles
>People want to see Peter and Miles be bros and fight crime together.
Actually I don't want to see Miles at all. For that matter, I don't want to see any spider people other than Peter.
>I don't want to see any spider people other than Peter.
I'm fine with spin-offs that don't hang of Pete's proverbial teat.
Miguel was in his own setting doing his own thing.
May was in her own setting doing her own thing (with a Pete around, admittedly).
Miles and various other spider-people just need Pete around to make them relevant.
They've all failed to support themselves on their own.
I don't mind other Spider people but I prefer them to operate on their own instead being anywhere in proximity to Peter. Just by the nature of their powers being too fricking similar. I don't want to see TWO Spider-Man together unless there's a specific reason. And then they should frick off immediately after. When have you ever heard of multiple spiders hanging out together in close proximity and co-habitating? Never. Only Brock and Kasady get the privilege of being close to Peter. They've earned their cool status. But the story doesn't benefit at all if Miles is also present in the city. They have no tie/connection to him aside from "someone with Peter's powers + a little extra". Miles should stay in his own universe with his own continuity. But Marvel knows he'll flounder on his own. Which is why they use Peter Parker as the proto-prostitute to prop up every single negatively received hero. If you had a movie with Captain Marvel and Spider-Man as the leads kinda flirting with and learning about one another in a romantic light? Yeah, people would change their fricking tune on Carol SO fast.
What about Spider Woman?
This game has no replayability. Peter isn't even FUNNY throughout the story. Not a single quip that brings a smile to my face or anything. Absolutely terrible fricking performance. And everytime I even think about picking this up? I remember that awful fricking Scream fight. Even if you lower the difficulty the first "section" she will ACTIVELY kite around the arena leaping from rooftop to rooftop and trying pitifully and pathetically range you out so that the player can be subjected to the Spectacular I'm Sorry-Man apologizing to his hideous girlfriend a million times and validating her for GIVING UP working for JJJ after like a few weeks when Peter had to tank abuse from JJJ for as long as a DECADE IF NOT MORE while actively feeding the man pictures of heroism and self-sacrifice that surely hurts him and takes far more out of the man than he'd ever be comfortable admitting. Like, Peter is essentially performing his life's work and all JJJ is doing is shitting on his dreams. That has to be fricking soul crippling. But Peter does what he needs to do to put food on the table and protect the innocent.
MJ gave up. She wrote one little article then collapsed in on herself. It should have been MJ getting pissed that she even has to provide JJJ the content that he wants and she should be frustrated that
>A, Peter went through all of this abuse for years and still kept a smile on his face and didn't vent to MJ about it. She should be supporting and complimenting Peter for displaying resilience.
>B, that she can't just give the man good articles about Sokovia and shit--he only wants Spider-Man. And MJ can't bring herself to, even if it ears her a paycheck, drag the name of the man she loves through the mud.
And that Scream fight was just terrible. Scream was fricking forced and used entirely too early. She's an entirely unique model. Either there should have been a Scream grunt "variant" or MJ should have been kidnapped and held for a while to undergo a proper transformation
>Like, Peter is essentially performing his life's work and all JJJ is doing is shitting on his dreams
Just get a different job then lmao, no one was forcing Peter to stay there or to even be spiderman
and the best part is, everyone loves it except (you)
Is that why it won Game of the Year? Oh wait.
>caring about GOTY
They clearly did
I blame MJ, Miles’ sellout suit, the distinct lack of Venom, and a massive chunk of the game getting cut.
Game awards shows are just glorified advertising and asspat ceremonies, but it was pretty funny seeing Spider-Man 2 get snubbed and the allegedly immaculate veneer come off of Insomniac a bit, especially after that leak.
I do find it ridiculous that normies wanted this game to be a 10/10 so bad that they were attacking any reviews which gave it an 8/10 (which is still too generous)
Spider-Man 2 doesn't deserve GOTY by any real measure, but that didn't stop the fanboys whining about being robbed
>Can only play as Venom for 5 mins with no mission replay
>Cant play as Black Cat
>Cant play as Wraith
>But can spend hours on multiple occasions playing as self-insert moon faced MJ
Whoever approved this should be bashed in the head with a baseball bat.
The face that caused Insomniac's shit to get raided. Seriously there's no fricking excuse for this.
It’s that combined with the Adidas suit.
Mission replay is coming in a free update. Shit had to get cut to meet deadlines, because that’s the way the gaming industry is now. Hopefully the Lethal Protector spin-off will be better.
My favourite part is one of the lead developers saying after release something along the lines of
>We know that the MJ sections were the most disliked part of the original game but WE JUST PUT EVEN MORE IN THIS GAME, SO EAT IT UP
It would’ve been cool if the other Life Foundation Symbiotes made proper appearances instead of be relegated to regular goons. Hell, they could’ve made Miles fight Riot, while Peter gets to fight Venom all to himself.
>Peter fights Scream, Lasher, and Venom
>Miles fights Agony, Phage, and Riot
Seems fair.
PC leaks say that they're all in the game. Life Foundation "was supposed to have a bigger storyline". I imagine alot of this shit was swapped around to make MJ more prominent and to actually have a 12-hour campaign as Venom and the other Spiders which is specifically designed to hook the player into wanting to go into Spider-Man 3. That's specifically what this is intended to do since we all know that Miles simply having the keys to the city isn't anywhere near enough to guarantee sales. That's why Carnage is getting dealt with now as opposed to later.
That sucks. Man Jaw Watson yet again ruins the game.
Peter and Miles are also getting Beetle suits according to the leaks, so it looks like Beetle Infestation is still on the table.
>LATINX
I fricking hate these homosexuals so much I could scream.
>Latinx
Calling them hispanics or wetbacks is less offensive. At least you're being racist without butchering their language.
I think a lot of the scrapped content might have to do with the online mode getting cancelled too.
So funny thing, they are all actual models in the files, they were planned at one stage
Good thing they cut stuff like this but fought to keep the mj missions, right?
Fricking hell.
Is there a Lasher model, or is this it?
Sadly he was the most unfinished, with riot was the closest to done with animations and stuff
My homie keeps getting shafted. Thanks for posting this, Anon.
My hope is that these will all be reused on an eventual Venom solo title, but my dissapointment with s-m 2, the leak mess, wolverine, etc. I'm not exactly holding my breath
The Venom: Lethal Protector leak describes it as a Carnage invasion game, so I’m not too sure that’ll be the case
Imagine having a videogame called VENOM: LETHAL PROTECTOR without Eddie as its host.
Eddie is definitely a possibility, but there’s still no details on if that’s going to be the case. Just that it’s coming out some time in 2025, Carnage is the main villain, it’ll be about the same length of Miles Morales, and Venom won’t be the only playable character.
Damn, what's the point of having a Venom game as long as the Miles DLC and without him being the only playable character. They'll really push the poochie huh?
I mean they ripped off Cates already, if they do it again Cletus brought all the life foundation suits back for Absolute Carnage, no reason he couldnt whip up some colorful kids in the game, too
Maybe, or they could just use Toxin, Scorn, and Raze.
It would be neat to see those too, honestly I'm uo for any and all, if you're gonna do a Venom game go all out on the roster
Hell a Scream/Mania team-up would make me forgive the failings of S-M2
Though I still hope it ain't Osborne,
This game is a fricking disgrace. Hope it doesn't sell well in his overall lifetime.
How would you fix this?
Remove the gloss, it looks like he's covered in cum
Also remove the black on the hips and arms. If you're gonna inverse the colours of the symbiote suit, don't pretend it's anything else.
The black suits kind of suck in this game, so I’m glad it’s a bit different.
Give it more features from the actual Anti-Venom in the comics, and give the lenses to the Advanced 2.0 suit.
Make it look more like a reverse black suit, the black detailing on the sides ends up making it look super uneven with nothing on the legs
Also yellow eyes would have really saved it too, its already firing off gold energy when fighting venom, it should have commited
The eyes really do add a lot
If Peter has Anti-Venom, does that make him immortal now like Eddie in the comics? And can’t he just use it to heal Harry?
Dont be ridiculous anon
Remove the black on the arms and hips and have the spider legs twist and branch out a bit at the ends like veins. Make it some Scorn shit.
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Add some design to the legs to balance it out better
>Why are Miles' stories always about him replacing Peter and taking his mantle?
Because that’s the whole of Bendis’ fetish characters.
>People want to see Peter and Miles be bros and fight crime together.
No we don’t. People want either Peter or Miles as the main character.
The idea of a poor wittle white boy being a superhero is outdated. Especially in today’s cultural climate. He makes more sense as a villain
Miles is a genuine hero, people can relate to him, nobody relates to incel Peter and his Mary Sue ass
At least try
It’s true though. Just look at America’s demographics, American kids aren’t white anymore. No kid wants some lame ass white boy when the new spiderman is black and latinx just like they are.
If Venom had offspring, and they all take on traits of Peter, does that make Peter the father?
Is your grandfather your father too?
Yes.
White man go to sleep/die and hand the reigns of society to a woman or minority.
There's nothing deeper to understand than that. It's blatant and often repeated.
That’s literally the plot of the first Spiderverse movie.
They should make Miles gay. Representation matters and unfortunately black folx are still heavily bigoted against the LGBTQIA+ community. Think about how much it would mean to gay black children to see that Spider-Man himself is just like them! If they don't make Miles gay, that's an admission on the dev's part that BIPOC LGBTQIA+ members don't actually matter. They can say BIPOC of a feather flock together, but they don't truly believe it.
Make Miles gay!
i agree, we need more queer latinx bipocfolx
So everyone's in agreement and there's no dissenting views, but Insomniac and Marvel still haven't announced Mile's canon sexuality. This is very disappointing coming from companies who like to claim they're allies to the LGBTQIA+ community. You can't just change your Twitter profile picture to be rainbow. You have to COMMIT!
This, Stan was a bigot and insisted Peter remain heterosexual but thankfully Bendis would never do something like that, we need gay Spider-Man!
This. Every queer kid needs that representation!
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>LEFT RIGHT LEFT RIGHT LEFT HURRRR
This obsession with political Black persontry is the most obnoxious shit.
The internet has turned your brain to mush.
Shitjaks are the only thing the underaged tourists that come here know. They cant argue any point normally so have to insert one of those horrendous fricking things. And say “this is you you’re ugly and this is me I’m cool”, or while give short phrases or nothing in attempt to be stoic or laconic. When in reality all it really is, is just saying “nu uh”.
Nu uh
giving peter a friend would make him happy and it's editorial mandate #1 peter is not allowed to be happy
They should make a Spider-Man that's literally just a tarantula with Spider-Man powers.
honestly can imagine this happening in a spiderverse movie. would be better than most donut steel people want to add to it
>Is actually the scariest Spider-Man to fight because it's a nigh invulnerable tarantula with increased speed and spider sense
>His version of New York is genuinely almost crime free because no one wants to be attacked by a tarantula
>help MJ save herself
The idea for the symbiotes in this game, and a few other adaptations, is that they’re representative of a terrible drug addiction. And like with any addict, you can try as hard as you want to help them, but if they don’t want to help themselves, then it’s all for nothing. That’s why Peter ultimately still has to be the one to rip the symbiote off of himself, and why MJ needs to do it too.
Is that why insomniac wrote it as canon that miles is to strong to be infected by the symbiot?
>Help MJ save herself
This shit is so condescending it's gross.
That’s women for you, they only find strength in what they stand over not what they stand for
Sweet Baby Inc wrote those.
Genuinly believe you can remove MJ from both games and nothing is lost
I still say they should’ve written her as Betty and had them break up at the end of the first game
She’s literally just Carlie Cooper
I dunno I dislike that character but I don’t remember her being THAT toxic, the game MJ is an adrenaline junkie that frames HER jealousy of Peter as HIS fault and the game literally wants you to see her verbal abuse of him as GOOD culminating in that pathetic boss fight
They absolutely trashed MJ in the second game. Isn't even worth arguing. She achieved being worse than Zendaya.
The addiction parable kinda falls to pieces when the crux of the finale is for peter to use the super drugs with zero side effects this time to beat the manifestation of his addiction, or something
Anti-Venom is detox.
Detoxing is when you take no drugs isn't it? Still doesn't work that well.
They should give Miles irritable bowel syndrome to offset all the powers he has.
I don’t hate Miles but I’m getting real fricking tired of him pulling a new power out of his ass every other story. As if his goddamn venom blast wasn’t busted enough as is.
I don't want to play as Miles Morales. I would rather play as Spider-Cat. Allow me to play as the cute little kitty cat or I will not purchase your game.
Miles Morales is literally the Kyle Rayner of Marvel
>Replacement for a character gets shilled and wanked to be special after the original is gone or dead
But after they bringed his mentor or predecessor back they had no reason to be special anymore so tried to fill the emptyness of their characters with special powerups like "He can now manipulate elements with the strenght of mind" that doesn't stick or makes them more plot deviced power of the day than anything worthy of time.
Like Kyle going from Ion, to White Lantern to Omega to fill the void of Hal getting the life he was supposed to have.
In Miles case they have Peter telling him how he is a better Spider-man who matters for real and he gets a shit load of super powers of the day like electric constructs and some forgottable arcs like his own Clone Saga and a Multiverse Miles corps.
why he got lightning sword?
His current super special power-up is electric constructs.
Not even as a joke on the "Black Superhero with electric powers".
And it's not even a zap shock thing like Jessica Drew's, he is doing green lantern constructs made of electricity.
that's dumb
Peter could make shit with his webs back in the day.
It was still webs. Something spiders spit out of their butts. Never heard about a spider creating some sort of electric construct in the shape of a sword
This is so dumb with him using the Spider-Man name in the 616. It doesn't make any sense being a comicbook. It would made sense if his comic was:
1. About a japanese Spider-Man
2. A manga
3. Another universe where he is the only Spider-Man to ever exist
If you had a japanese spider-man doing anime things you would get sued by black people for cultural appropriation.
They claimed anime as theirs.
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How the absolute cinnamon toast frick do you go from peak CW Flash at season 3 to THIS
>Captcha: G0Y8H
Electric sword is old news
New hotness is enhanced super spider-sense
How can you people not think electric swords are cool
Because it blatant bullshit that Miles never earned. He just gets powers with no effort, and because Marvel thinks people will like him more if they make him stronger than Peter.
>never earned
>no effort
So...just like Peter getting powers just from getting bit?
Peter was at least involved in that by choosing to go to the exhibition, not to mention he built the web shooters and made the web formula himself
Peter just got the strength, wall crawling, and spider sense, and it made sense because he went to an exhibit featuring a radioactive spider, instead of the spider going all the way to home like Miles. Peter also lost a ton of his early battles, and need to come up with a new strategy or gadget using his intelligence to beat his enemies. Miles wins because he can just touch his enemies and win.
Peter had a much harder start. Dude was ready to quit after getting his ass whooped by Doc Ock the first time.
Peter had make his own web shooters, and Miles always gets hand me downs.
Peter earned his sht through sweat, blood, tears, and constantly being questioned by the world and people he was trying to help. His own surrogate mother hated Spider-Man. everything he had and did he got on his own or made on his own. He even earned his powers the hard way because life gave his stupid for-once-self-centered ass a dope slap up the head and said, "You see that? Now your surrogate father is dead. You did that misuing your powers, idiot."
So no, Peter earned everything he got. Even the powerups that came to him later, none of which ever lasted. Even his own tech and gadgets and experience doesn't last. But he earned every last bit of it. No one was around to help, mentor, or train him for most of his career. He was and is an outsider to the community at large (Miles gets RSVP'd to Avengers parties, Spidey doesn't even get asked to come).
Miles gets accepted with open arms despite being literally dropped in from another universe. Damn near a decade and a half after being Spider-Man and Peter still gets questioned on what angle he's pulling. Miles gets powerup instant fight ender handouts that let him handily and isntantly KO a veteran Spider-Man who has been Spidey for almost half his entire life. Peter gets stick-em power upgrades, slight strength buffs, and martial arts he never uses. That shit is not the same.
>No one was around to help, mentor, or train him for most of his career.
>what is Iron Man, literally the face of Marvel
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>Iron Man, literally the face of Marvel
The flying frick are you on?
Eat shit. Iron Man didn't support Peter in any significant capacity until Peter was a fully grown, matured and married adult. Frick off.
Peter should have been his own Ironman as an adult(both mentally through experience and science savvy and emotional having full on manly confidence and less teenage self doubts), him depending on shady characters like Tony Stark shows how much Peter didn't mature that much even as a married adult. Peter from that age was still an underdeveloped manchild who didn't truly apply himself through his life being a superhero and a growing man. Even as a teacher he fricking acts like a kid than a guide to children.
...You got me there. Mentally and emotionally Peter has city miles on him, he should be well past the point of needing guidance from others.
I will say Tony was a much needed confidant for him beyond just supporting him though, a rarity in his life.
>Peter earned his sht through sweat, blood, tears, and constantly being questioned by the world and people he was trying to help. His own surrogate mother hated Spider-Man. everything he had and did he got on his own or made on his own. He even earned his powers the hard way because life gave his stupid for-once-self-centered ass a dope slap up the head and said, "You see that? Now your surrogate father is dead. You did that misuing your powers, idiot."
>So no, Peter earned everything he got. Even the powerups that came to him later, none of which ever lasted. Even his own tech and gadgets and experience doesn't last. But he earned every last bit of it. No one was around to help, mentor, or train him for most of his career. He was and is an outsider to the community at large (Miles gets RSVP'd to Avengers parties, Spidey doesn't even get asked to come).
Peter's a pleb nerd white guy. Outdated as frick white guy problems. I'm glad Marvel shits on him alot, he's just a cliché for the homosexuals that run Marvel. Everything about Peter is self entitled angst and whiny ass excuses to never apply himself because hes to much a pussy, a procrastinating manchild or a dude that never learns quickly what not to do or not do because hes reckless.
Okay, you dislike Peter.
But do you like Miles and if so why?
Same reason Wolverine's heatclaws were fricking stupid.
It doesn't make sense with his powerset.
Miles just keeps getting new heat claws.
Exactly. You just fricking ignore dumb shit like that. There comes a point where you just can't keep adding on to a character's Power Set because at that point you're taking away from their identity. It becomes less about the character and more about turning them into an OC. Or worse, into what (You) would do if you had their powers and were in their shoes.
Because Liquid Swords are better.
InFAMOUS did it better
Cole’s power were just generally better thought out.
>one of Miles' supposed weaknesses is his weaker spider-sense
>give him a spider-sense that makes him Kaine tier with his future sight by letting him see through walls
>basically make him a stealth game protagonist with Invisibility and Detective Vision
Peter has what? Superior web constructs? Experience? Like they really want Miles to be a straight upgrade from Peter.
Don't forget that he's also physically stronger than Pete.
Miles bodies Armadillo and Venom.
Oh, and he beats up 1610 Green Goblin better than 1610 Peter ever could.
Reminder, this is the guy that killed 1601 Peter in his last stand against the sinister six
The soul of a Spider-Man story can be determined by how the Green Goblin gets visually portrayed. The more you vere into hulking monster the less soul your Spider-Man has.
>But you really are the-- the Beatles of that sound you make when you rub your finger over your lips/
WHAT THE FRICK DOES THIS LINE EVEN MEAN?
Crazy, it means crazy. Dribble-mouthed and speaking gibberish crazy, finger circling your ear crazy. Cartoon sound effect crazy.
It reads like complete gibberish and if I didn't know better I'd say it was AI generated.
This explanation just makes the line even weirder. What an awkward way of trying to say that.
That thing they did in old cartoons where they take their index finger and rub it fan it up and down over their lips going 'blblblblblblbl' to show they've gone crazy.
Meant to put a slash between rub it/fan it but you get the idea.
Yeah, it's confusing to read the first time around, but for anyone that doesn't have context of the act itself, they'd be just as confused, because I don't think it's used that often anymore.
As dumb as it was to change him in the first place I actually liked Hal as Parallax. He wasn't really a villain or a hero at that point which made him kind of unique.
I really don't mind Kyle simply because he isn't as annoyingly "in your face" as a replacement.
You had everyone telling him that he wasn't and would never be Hal, but he managed to be someone without it.
When Hal returned he was stuck at being GL number 4 and all his powerups are just attempts to elevate him that last 2 issues, but really he doesn't hurt the Green Lantern brand as Miles does on Spider-Man.
Agreed, I don't really mind him either.
Clone Superiority
Which prominent black Marvel characters aren't getting mega wanked these days? Riri wasn't stated to be better than Tony, was she? Moon Girl is supposed to be the smartest or whatever, but she tends to stay in her own books and doesn't step on anybody's toes, and even if she were the smartest, its balanced out by them showing that she utterly lacks wisdom and experience and has to seek help from others due to her own failings and inadequacies, so she's fine. Miles, Storm, and Sam Wilson are like by far the most obvious examples of getting jerked off at the expense of others.
Blade, he is just super skilled but not in Gary Stu levels or in a way that makes other characters stupid to make him appear better.
Why don't they just make him the Spiderman of the west coast? Why does everything need to take place on New York?
it's where the comic book writers gets their victims from tunnels
They did that with Otto for a bit.
The real issue is that moving Miles away inherently implies that Miles is a lesser Spider-Man because he isn't allowed to exist in the main city. And that would mean that Miles has failed and his intended purpose.
It's the same reason why they will never ever give Miles his own name
They should have Miles in the south.
The unfortunate thing is that moving him somewhere else might actually do his character a favor. It would be less bullshitty that there's normal Spider-Man and then an upgraded version with electric powers in the same place. He could have new villains and shit.
>It's the same reason why they will never ever give Miles his own name
They haven't let Miles stand on his own two legs in anything, really. They keep pairing him with Peter so that Pete remains a draw. They should just say "this is a Miles movie/game/comic without Pete" and see how popular he is.
Am I certain such a movie would fail? Honestly no; it wouldn't surprise me but I suspect it would do okay. That they lack confidence in Miles just makes him look even lamer.
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Well that and pushing Miles in other's starting comics instead of having Spidey in it to act as draw for the new character. That shit was hella lame.
Peter is the one that needs to move out, why should Miles have to?
Because Miles jumped universes, making him an illegal immigrant.
616 was always Miles', we just didn't know it until he got there.
Because Miles just isn’t interesting. There’s nothing he has established that Peter, Mayday, or Miguel haven’t done better. That’s all he’s got beyond being super special.
Non Americans be like "Kilometers Morales is my favorite Spider-Man"
TLDR identity politics
marvel and disney could have EASILY teammed spider man up with black characters like blade, bishop, shard, storm, dr cecilia reyes, and redeemed villains who were coded as black like tombstone and done multiple team-ups and series. a blade comic with a spiderman arc alone would have been great, as well as doorways to midnight sons comics focusing on blade
but it's just about idpol because capitalists want the working class divided
>coded as black like tombstone
Lonnie isn’t black coded, he IS black. Or at least he was before he became an invincible brick shithouse Michael Jackson.
Where the Hell is Ben’s Sensational suit? They better be adding it in an update.
Why is this costume and hairstyle looks so punchable.
When will people get that Spider-Man was never got and was just a gimmick to get Autistic nerds with no friends into comics?
Opps i meant never good
>struggles to spell even the simplest words
LOL typical Spider-hater. GTFO
Black folk cannot create, only steal
What if they made a new black Spider-Man to upstage Miles
Hobie Brown's Spider-Punk is a better black spider-man than Miles could ever hope to be
Because the Ultimate universe died and Bendis (and Marvel) wanted to save his precious OC by bringing him to 616. Same with Spider-Gwen.
>Why are Miles' stories always about him replacing Peter and taking his mantle? Why do writers keep pushing this divisive bullshit? People want to see Peter and Miles be bros and fight crime together.
Miles has no personality he's a nothing caricature that happens to be latinxblack. He's a racist cardboard cutout created by a fat moron racist.and that's all he'll ever be.
Racism
calling it now, they will find out that miles is also a mutant and that's why he can make electric swords and shit. that he will have the trifecta of marvel universe racism over him, he's black, latinx and mutant
>Why are Miles' stories always about him replacing Peter and taking his mantle?
Not really true. Miles recently has stayed in his own book and has only showed up in Amazing during Gang War.
you'll like the upcoming Spectacular Spider-Men ongoing by Weisman
So when does Pooch- I mean Miles get access to a time machine?
In Beyond the Memeverse, hopefully.
>why is a legacy character's stories all about replacing the original character and taking on his mantle?
>replacing the original character
But he never does the last step. Peter HAS to stick around in some way for his media to sell a buck
protip: miles would've failed if chris and lord cucks didn't make him likable with their movies. they are responsible for the death of peter
>likeable
He's barely a character in his own movies. Constantly undermined for fanservice or unnecessary subplots. Hell, he has no reason to be Spider-Man or a superhero at all but branding.
They didn't make him likable, they just associated him with other stuff people might like. That's like saying NWH fixed and made Tom Peter likable for having him play along with Raimi's characters and actors people like, the second they are gone so is the appeal. Miles is nothing without the novelty aesthetic and novelty multiverse.
>That's like saying NWH fixed and made Tom Peter likable
True. He was always likeable.