Why are modern cartoon dads (1980s-2020s) so sissy and emasculated or lazy and stupid?
Why are modern cartoon dads (1980s-2020s) so sissy and emasculated or lazy and stupid?
Why are modern cartoon dads (1980s-2020s) so sissy and emasculated or lazy and stupid?
Gorilla, his hand on his chin
Is this the one?
based
fricking kek
Ugh his name is Optimus Primal.
his name is Yvonco and he is flat
But Gorillas don't have chins?
Fpbp. The spirit of the ape embraces us.
A big win for high quality posts today.
11/10
This has to be one of the best comebacks I've ever read.
Holy BASED
/thread, industrycuck needs to stop making em
APES! TOGETHER! STRONG!
Best post I’ve seen all year, tbh.
Throw in 2022
This dance reeks of estrogen
Isn't that a Breakfast Club reference
Still reeks of estry
>Throw in 2022
OP literal includes the 2020s
Haven't watched the show but she seems to like hanging out with her dad so he must be doing something right
Being a friend is different from commanding respect
"Commanding" respect isn't the same as earning it
This.
I thought "commanding respect" is just that a person's personality/other surrounding traits like reputation cause a person to respect them for whatever reason, not literally yelling at someone and demanding they do so
A polar bear commands respect, but doesn't ask for it
Your idea of respect is still based on fear and hierarchy, when in reality it need not be.
You avoid a polar bear because it can cause you great physical harm. If you are doing the same to a father figure, that is not respect.
Not necessarily. You respect the man because of his ability, because he is capable, in his example the polar bear's ability to perform violence is an example, but it could also be his ability to think, to lead, to create, to earn. Many things, ultimately though the guy has to be able to defend himself to be respected.
This is something a lot of fathers fail at in animation.
The latter's a role model, the former is just plain and simple fear. There'd be no reason to respect the polar bear if you came well armed.
That's a lot of cope to say that they're a weak man who admires other weak men. Disneygays deserve the ropes as does anyone who admires German psychologists.
Holy shit this. What is wrong with these people?
Why do you look up to Pete, anon? PJ clearly didn't.
>Thinking that fricking Pete is an ideal father
Pete is a cautionary tale
Indeed, Pete McGee is a cautionary tale about being a beta
By….having a loving wife and healthy relationship with his children?
You're the weakest man here and nothing you say will ever change that fact.
>Weak man
>Capable of adapting to his son's interests, enhancing them, and directing them in more positive directions
If this is weakness to you, I want it.
>commanding respect
What an autistic thing to say.
Do you want Molly dressed like a soldier saluting her dad as her were a drill sergeant?
See
Unironically yes.
Children need to show reverence for their fathers and father figures.
That's actually a cute mental image ngl
A HEALTHY FATHER DAUGHTER RELATIONSHIP? WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?
It's cause he looks like the pathetic cuck dad from that one webcomic.
what do you want him beating her?
like okay we know wht you actually want, for her to run away from home and be raised by the circus troupe from "To Wong Foo, Thanks To Everything." but like.
Is it seriously that you just don't want to frick these dads?
>what do you want him beating her
I want him to stop failing his family and lay off the sóy
He's not a failure, anon. You are!
>what do you want him beating her?
Most people here probably do want this, but in a sexual way.
How dare a man bond with his daughter. I bet you don't wash your own ass because "it's gay".
You can bond with your daughter without looking like a total homosexual.
If you're more concerned about looking like a homosexual than bonding with your daughter, you do not have the right priorities for fatherhood. Plain and simple.
You can post on Cinemaphile without being a total homosexual but you botched that job.
Why do I have a feeling you're one of those people who get upset when he's asked to buy tampons? You're a disgrace as a man.
For a man who goes on and on about strength and confidence, he sure seems sensitive when people talk about his masculinity.
One could even say he's a little teste
What kind of weirdo agrees to buy tampons?
>Honey can you go out and pick up a box of tampons?
>"No."
>Please honey, our daughter just had her perio-
>"LALALALALALALALALALALALALALALALA"
This is you. Delete your save and start a new game.
Imagine thinking doing women’s work is somehow high testosterone
>Incel
Incel
>Incel
You're not impressing anyone and I'm glad no women will ever have to rely on you.
Ironic: he brings up testosterone levels after making himself look like a pussy
>Purchasing (not using) a product is considered "feminine"
Just buy it. REAL MEN don't give a shit on what other people like that minimum wage cashier think
I wonder how many single fathers refused to buy them for their daughters and got done for neglect.
They’re better off that way
>He's scared of what the cashier will think
Pussy
when you have a daughter, you're going to display a concerning number of basedboy characteristics when you're around her, I guarantee it
I am never going to have a daughter so long as I still have reproductive organs.
>implying you'll ever have kids
Frick outta here.
Too bad Roe v. Wade got overturned.
My grandfather had 5 daughters and a son, and he is a pretty Macho man.
This. You can hold on to your masculinity even with a daughter. You don't need to lower yourself to cuck levels.
>implying anyone here is going to reproduce
turn her into a tomboy.
Pic related was the opposite, but he had a spoiled cuck of a failson.
Which is worse? Cuck dad, or a cuck son?
Definitely a cuck dad because people look up to dads
cuck son because the father's duties are over and he doesn't need to maintain some bullshit persona of machoness
Wait, is that Pointy Haired Boss?
haha lol
I think cuck son is way more common now and much worse for cartoons in general.
I honestly can't think of a young boy protag in a cartoon in like 10 years that wasn't stripped of his dignity or made to be emotionally unstable
Why can't we have chads sons and dads in animation anymore.
Serious questIon here: what comes to mind when you think of “Chad dads/sons” because I can’t think of any male cartoon characters that weren’t deeply flawed in some way or another growing up.
>what comes to mind when you think of “Chad dads/sons”
Yes, both of them were banging every female in that show
>Takes away from Evangelion "Oh they're both chads because they can get with women" rather than EVERYONE being a broken human being despite appearances
lol
lmao even.
At least they get more pussy than most western animated characters
>The only thing that matters for a man is how much roastie puss he gets
lmao
kek even.
They deserve everypussy their way because they provide and defend the last bastion of humanity against monsters
If what you are getting out of Evangelion is "They defended humanity against monsters" instead of "They are all broken humans who are longing for a proper human connection to the point where they instrument a cataclysmic event to break down our own individuality" then you are an absolute moron. I mean for frick sake, Gendo did everything he did just to see his wife again, even if it meant sacrificing his own son.
Have you even watched this shit?
That's what happened?
I should've paid more attention.
>what comes to mind when you think of “Chad dads/sons”
These two doglet chads probably tagteamed more hot women than we've met through our lives.
Johnny quest comes to mind as the iconic fearless boy adventurer
I remember Ben 10, Zack from the Secret Saturdays, Aang.
I've also heard Penn Zero and Randy Cunningham fit the bill but I didn't watch those
But at some point it felt like everyone in the industry soured against the hero boy. Everyone knows about Finn's tragic descent in Adventure Time from heroic protagonist to a punching bag for the writers. No, now boys have to be traumatized and sensitive and emotional and wear dresses and live in perpetual embarrassment and insecurity.
Steven
Marco
Hunter
And that's if there are young boy characters at all.
I think the best one we've got from this new generation of cartoons is fricking Sprig from Amphibia, and he's a fricking frog.
Let boys be brave and adventurous again God dammit.
I'm going to let you in on a secret anon; I don't like drawing boys.
They're so angular. It's not fun.
Girls are made of softer shapes. I enjoy drawing those more.
You're part of the problem.
Don’t care. I value my personal enjoyment over what a stranger on the internet sees as a societal need. I will keep drawing cute girls and you will keep crying about it.
Even back then boys were being emasculated. Ron Stoppable comes to mind. He basically started the trend of sensitive and emotional homosexuals.
You know, Prof. Membrane also fits the bill, even if his son is a Dib.
If his son is a frick up, he does not fit the bill. People like Vasquez fear or disrespect the Jonny Quest mold.
not a comedy show
Why is there wives out of their league?
Define "league"
>good looks
>good brains
>good personality
>the husbands: none of that
Name 5
he can't
>Ann Possible
>Trudy Proud
>Susan Long
>Maddie Fenton
>Rita Loud
Maddie is just as moronic as Jack and no amount of off model art will make Rita look good
Try again IC
>ignoring the other three examples
Plus Rita still looks better than her husband and Maddie is still smarter than Jack. But if you're going to be a b***h about it…
>K Daring
>Sharon McGee
>Priyanka Maheswaran
>Odalia Blight
>Dexter's Mom
>Helen Parr
I've noticed not all cartoons have two parents or parents at all, so what really should be done is see how many shows have two parents who are together, and then what percentage of those shows have a dumbass dad and hot mother.
>Nicole Watterson
>Johnny test
>Homer
>Peter Griffin
>Jerry from Rick and Morty
Several examples I listed for that paradigm
Odalia is literally just an evil b***h profiting from her husband's hard work
Also Bob is literally a super hero, a well known and beloved one before the big lawsuit at that, how was Helen out of his league?
Odalia is still the brains of the two and is much more competent
Also Helen was also a superhero and didn’t go to shit like Bob did.
>Odalia is still the brains of the two and is much more competent
Still an evil b***h who lost the fight over the kids, she is not put in a positive light.
>Also Helen was also a superhero and didn’t go to shit like Bob did.
Bob got fat because he was stuck in a shitty office job where he couldn't actually exert himself, he very quickly gets back into shape when he can actually use his strength, comparatively all Helen had to do was not eat too much. Again Bob was famous and beloved, Helen was in no way out of his league.
>Again Bob was famous and beloved, Helen was in no way out of his league.
She is way hotter than him
No one can refute this
Except they absolutely can, your stubborn ass just chooses to never actually listen or consider new information
Alright so where are the anons and their arguments?
They gave up 18 threads ago.
>your stubborn ass just chooses to never actually listen or consider new information
Welcome to Cinemaphile
Weren't both of Kim's parents super scientists? I mean he wasn't a chad but he wasn't obviously ugly or dopey looking.
He was basically just Reed Richard's without the powers.
Reed Richards is a cuck though. So fitting for James.
>let's his daughter go on dangerous missions
He's a failure of a father
Imagine having a daughter.
I suppose that's James' first mistake. What a dumbfrick.
>I mean he wasn't a chad but he wasn't obviously ugly or dopey looking.
Are you even looking at the picture you posted; dude got hit with the ugly stick. I'm convinced that his wife only married him for his money.
You're a very shallow person and I'd pity you if you didn't disgust me so much.
Only Priyanka and Trudy possess all 3 traits
All the others are at least better in some way than their husbands and could easily trade up. Like what's stopping Priyanka and Trudy from leaving their mediocre husbands?
Love. Not that you'd understand it.
Who would love the husbands? They’re ugly, have bad personalities, and are not very smart.
Sounds like Sharon McGee to me
Indeed, Sharon is in a relationship with an uggo dummy.
Nah Pete seems to be nice judging from
Meanwhile Sharon is obese, sometimes spiteful, and do random freelance jobs unrelated to her meme degree
She's a 4/10 while Pete is 5.5/10
Sharon is a BBW. Her fat ass could easily snag her a rapper.
They're better than you, not even your parents loved you.
How is Doug ugly?
They've had instances of having a shitty personality at some point in their respective shows. Ann and maybe Susan fit all 3 better and even then I'd hardly say their husbands are out of their league.
>Ann Possible
The show states she was unpopular as a teenager and so was the dad. This is an outright lie because they're presented as equals
>The show states she was unpopular as a teenager and so was the dad.
Now who's the one lying?
>This is an outright lie because they're presented as equals
Not true in the least bit
That's subjective. Believe it or not people don't care about looks as much as you think. Only vapid people usually do. Don't listen to /LULZ/
Because it's subversive to make the mother the competent breadwinner.
Can't tell what's worse, the animation or the art style.
Cinemaphile attracts the terminally online, not those who go outside, have lives, jobs, relationships and IQs.
Yes that's basically it. It's a confusing turn of phrase but don't listen to schizos who say otherwise like "Oh it's not respect if it's fear" or "Oh you didn't earn it because you weren't a pacifist".
>Then you get anime father figures.
Anime doesn't have father figures. They sometimes have a sensei but anime is absolutely about youth supremacy over the old order.
He's emasculated, fat, balding and wears flipflops everywhere because crocks don't exist in his universe.
>because crocks don't exist in his universe.
A minor character wears what appears to be crocs as part of his regular outfit
>Can't tell what's worse, the animation or the art style.
This. Molly McGee has easily the worst art and animation of any show.
And that's why Mollyshit can't stop flopping
It flops so hard
>Yes that's basically it. It's a confusing turn of phrase but don't listen to schizos who say otherwise like "Oh it's not respect if it's fear" or "Oh you didn't earn it because you weren't a pacifist".
Why are schizos like this? Why is a man commanding respect so foreign to this thread.
I don't see how the art or animation is remotely close to bad.
>Can't tell what's worse, the animation or the art style.
The shit songs is easily the worst part followed by the writing and the art style
This. Owl House got cancelled for this garbage. Hopefully it gets cancelled.
Misogyny mostly
THE HONEYMOONERS, YOU DUMB b***h. STOP FRICKING ASKING OR I WILL HUNT YOU UNTIL YOUR FEET BLEED BEFORE I GRANT YOU THE MERCY OF MY BLADE.
Fun fact, there is the Polish adaptation of the Honeymooners and it's absolutely wild. Some highlights:
>Main characters decide to commit the car insurance fraud to get the cash to enter the bird taxidermy business.
>Main characters fake getting the bohive STD to spend the whole week chugging the untested antidepresants and record their halucinations.
>Dude steals the heart of the women during her date by gobbling up the raw livers she got from her actual date.
>The competetive gay orgies mix up. Complete with the jokes about home made meth.
>The episode where the main character gets accused of being sexually atracted to teens.
>The magic shrooms episode.
>Every blackface episode.
>The episode where the main character gets drunk and assasults the guys from the battered wives foundation.
>The football riot episode.
>The "dynamite of the netherworld" episode.
>The kidnapping episode with the cameo of the popular talkshow host as the main characters' target.
>The competetive gay orgies mix up.
I'm sorry, what? Also, this whole series sounds fricking awesome.
Long story short - the wives of the main characters decide to get into their hobby - theamatour soccer. After asking few other people, they slowly come to the following conclusions:
>Soccer is the game of the manly passions. It's based on beating up the guys you hate with the help of the guys you love.
>One of their husband spend the last saturday being forcibly bred by the ultramasc bull.
>Soccer is basically the competetive gay sex.
Yes, this series at it's peak is completely awasome, even if it was made at the shoestring budget and had to cope with using literally one, single set for the most of the runtime.
I should add that the breeding part is based purely on the pun ("kryć" means "to cover", "pokryć" can mean "to mount and breed") and that bull dude is also the parody of the overuse of the hair gell, by the contemporary wannabe machos and the former "kompot" user. Kompot is the name of the both traditional fruit drink, very delicious, and the basically moonshine tier heroine.
You're not the real industrykek. But he's here anyways so commence the thread
At least OP rewords the same post when he puts its up EVERY SINGLE DAY! He's obviously damaged but not beyond rehab.
Great now we can't even complain about 20s male characters being emasculated for real(or even wiped out entirely) because of this schizo revising history
How is he revising history? He literally included the 2020s.
>Great now we can't even complain about 20s male characters being emasculated for real(or even wiped out entirely)
Oh boo fricking hoo
Shut the frick up troon
You will never be a brown lesbian have a nice day
This. Why do people seethe over pointing out masculine erasure?
>erasure
homie did you just seriously use that word in a way a tumblr user in the 2010's would have unironically?
Masculinity is under attack freak show
anon, if you are a fully grown adult seething over cartoons for children on an anonymous message board, there is no chance you have ever in your life been masculine, so why the frick do you care?
schizo
troony
You have mental issues if you think Odalia is attractive or has a good personality. Not even her own kids like that b***h.
Kids are twats, what else is knew
>and her husband
>and all the good guys
She's definitely attractive but she's crazy and evil as shit. She literally says that having kids with Alador was just a way to keep him as a "business partner."
I mean, he’s lucky to even breed with her.
Yes but so many years of your megalomaniacal wife being the face of all of your hard work and constantly using your kids as commercial props and putting them in danger takes its toll, no matter how fat her ass is
>No argument
kek
That’s how it always is on these threads.
>sissy and emasculated
Lawrence is English.
Not helping his point
Why are modern OPs (2003-2020s) so sissy and emasculated or lazy and stupid?
I was born in 1995 dumbass
Holy shit you're a fricking moron. What started in 2003, anon?
The Iraq War
Industrycuck's dad was enough of a chad to pump and dump while his mom was a druggy mess, so if anything he was above her league, and certainly smarter than her.
So I don't get why he sees the opposite situation everywhere around him.
He's just from Europe.
he is just from the Philippines
Not sure if false flagging spam attempt to get the janny to delete (it never works) or Industrycuck himself having a proper meltdown again
>again
This has happened before?
Personally I haven't actually seen it, but I'd honestly be amazed if he didn't in the past
>inb4 Pete greentext
Ran out of onions dads so that’s the last pasta.
How could you ran when there are so many. Lynn Loud Sr., Bee Boonchuy, Pete McGee, James Timothy Possible, Oscar Proud, Gomez Addams, Professor Utonium
>Gomez Addams
>onion
He was pretty onion-y in hindsight dude
Utonium is my husbando and I will beat you within an inch of your sad pathetic life if you say he is a onions boy to me face again
>Utonium
>Gomez
Elaborate on these.
I mean both were kind of dweebs who embarrass their children, at least with Utonium
All parents embarrass their kids. Doesn't matter how cool they think they are
My parents never embarrassed me
>so sissy and emasculated or lazy and stupid?
Easy on the projection there,
homie actually look at the dads in animation.
Just average males. Yes, because the average male doesn't look like the cast of the Expendables.
>Yes, because the average male doesn't look like the cast of the Expendables.
>the average male
>homer simpson
>peter
>hank hill
all fat fricks
homie have you seen middle aged Americans?
Hank hill looks -mildly- overweight
...Do you think Peggy Hill is out of Hank's league? They're both extremely mediocre-looking.
See
Nothing in that post mentions Peggy or Hank Hill. Use your big boy words.
It's shown that Peggy is a bombshell if she puts the work in while Hank is consistently ugly looking. Another example of putting down one gender when it should be the other.
Sadly being able to look like a bombshell doesn't exactly get rid of the fact that Peggy has a less desired personality to most men
Why is that a negative?
Don't bother, looks are all that matters to him. When he says 'but this guy also has a rotten personality' it's just another excuse to shit on them, but he completely overlooks any personality flaws in women because he finds them hot.
>Don't bother, looks are all that matters to him.
That could explain some Anime/Manga Otaku.
>Janny deletes a couple of moronic posts
>But leaves not one but two wholly moronic threads
Sad
Many such cases
Fricking hell it's like half the people in this thread want John K's dad for a father even after we all saw how that turned out
They probably did, anon, and convincing themselves that they turned out better for it is the only way they can avoid having to realize and accept that they were abused for no good reason.
John K actually loved and respected his father
And he grew up to be a groomer. His dad failed no matter how you slice it
Now now anonymous, straight white guys can't be groomers. If they could, /misc/tards wouldn't have a narrative to push anymore.
I have a hard time believing John K is completely straight given all the big, hairy, muscular men he puts into his cartoons.
>No muscular dudes? Why are cartoons so gay now?
>This guy draws muscular dudes? I dunno, sounds pretty gay to me.
Which is it, anon
>No muscular dudes? Why are cartoons so gay now?
Who are you quoting?
Probably the breadth of OP's thread.
No muscles = Emasculated
You can be lean and still be masculine as frick. Look at John Cho.
Ummmm sweetie, no.
If you have to be a masculine east asian, you have to look like Toshiro mifune. we know masulinity lies in the size of your muscles, jawline and the coarseness of your hair
Anon there's a difference between drawing the Justice League and animating a naked hairy dude (complete with focus on the balls) in a fanservice episode.
John K obviously tries to overcompensate because he's still haunted by his dad being ashamed of how gay he was.
>John's dad was so worried about his son being gay that he would sneak in adult magazines into his room
>John had no idea where they came from and was scared shitless of his dad finding out
Holy shit is that true? Because it would sure explain a lot
It's probably just standard daddy issues, but John K wouldn't have been the first man from that era to have dug himself deep into the closet
Isn't there a story about John and some friends wanking the neighborhood's moron kid to 'bully him'? That... That is kind of gay with a flimsy 'macho' justification around it.
https://www.lambiek.net/artists/k/kricfalusi_john.htm
>John Kricfalusi was born in 1955 in Chicoutimi in the Canadian province Québec. His father was from Ukrainian descent and a strict disciplinarian. He forced John to become a "real man" by making him do chores. His macho attitude was such that he once hid a stack of Hugh Hefner's Playboys in John's bedroom out of fear "he'd become a sissy." John was never told where these magazines came from until years later and thus lived in constant fear as a teenager that these nudie mags would be discovered by his dad. John's father was also highly unsupportive of his son's artistic aspirations. One time John had spent the entire summer working on a self-made comic book for his father. When he gave it to him his father shouted: "You worked the whole summer on this?!" and threw it in the fire!
No wonder he turned into such a fricked up adult. I actually feel a little bad for him. Doesn't excuse him for being a shithead but at least there's a reason
It gets even weirder
http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/2009/10/happy-birthday-dad.html?m=1
>His dad flirted with his teenage girlfriends
Well I guess we know where the grooming genes came from. Also I thought people were just shitposting about John being a closeted gay but now I'm convinced he wants to frick his dad
You know how some girls seek out older men to frick them in order to fill the hole in their heart where they wish their father's love was? I imagine it's the same principle here.
>"You worked the whole summer on this?!" and threw it in the fire!
frick bro, that's sad. I don't even like John K and that made me feel bad for him.
>John's father was also highly unsupportive of his son's artistic aspirations. One time John had spent the entire summer working on a self-made comic book for his father. When he gave it to him his father shouted: "You worked the whole summer on this?!" and threw it in the fire!
Gee, you think you know a guy
John K puts a LOT of hugely muscular dudes in his cartoons, though. I'm not aware of one that didn't have at least a handful. If he isn't in the closet then at the very least he's got a huge complex about his masculinity
Both can exist moron.
There's a difference between having an abusive dad and having a beta male for a father.
false, all abusive dads are betas
>abusive dad and having a beta male for a father.
They are not mutually exclusive
>He thinks a grown ass man who is so insecure that he needs to beat a child to feel better about himself isn't a beta
If you can't take a beating or defend yourself in some way, you are a true beta.
Is that what daddy told you every time he took your ass to the woodshed? Holy shit you’re pathetic.
I've met parents like this. They say, "I beat my kids because my parents beat me and I turned out fine!" No, you were abused and became an abuser.
What about father figures in non-episodic shows? Most of them are bad ass lost legends, the main antagonist or encouraging figures.
Then you get anime father figures.
Yujiro is cheating.
What about Gendo?
Yujiro Hanma is cheating because he is quite literally the strongest human to ever live and has only bred so that he can one day have a worthy opponent to fight.
Gendo Ikari is not cheating because even though he has the admiration of a lot of people, he is a shitty father and has an unhealthy obsession with his late wife, who he has remade into Rei so that he could hijack the Third Impact so that he could forever be together with her, only for Rei-Lillith to kill him before the instrumentality happened.
you know why
Golly I sure wish I had the troony jannies simping for me this hard
What's your secret?
Edson is a good cartoon Father
Why do so many people on Cinemaphile have daddy issues?
Anon animators are the ones with daddy issues
Go to a therapist to get help for your issues instead of subjecting Cinemaphile to this shit.
Never. This was always the destiny for Cinemaphile's lowest IQ board. It was written in the stars.
Ironically Anne's dad is the stereotypical nu-male Asian who plays switch.
>Has 11 children
You are wrong
>10 of which are daughters
No, you are wrong.
go watch gay porn if you want to constantly see muscled men
>Why are modern cartoon dads (1980s-2020s) so sissy and emasculated or lazy and stupid?
I want somebody to make as accurate a version of The Illiad as possible just to see people screeching about how the filmmakers totally emasculated Achilles by having him cry all the damn time.
You already posted this yesterday and it's not any less wrong today.
As a gay guy I can tell this thread was made by an incel robot because a good portion of cartoon dads are completely fine if not mildly attractive.
Lol, as if we're taking advice from an actual gay.
Not a single person has been able to refute these threads.
When I was a young girl my father was so shit I wished Utonium was my real dad
Utonium is a great cartoon dad (at least in the original show, I haven't seen the remake so I don't know if they ruin him or anything). Single father who provides for his kids, teaches them good life lessons, does his best to make them happy and keep them healthy, willing to stand up to supervillains when he thought the girls needed saving, he's a genius scientist, his house is cool, he can act silly like a cartoon character and have humorous moments and be the butt of the joke, and then be more serious and put his foot down when discipline is needed.
One of the best Cinemaphile dads, by far.
And yet we have people in this very thread calling him a basedboy because he's not some kind of authoritarian abuser. Some real fricked up priorities going on
Cinemaphile is a place that simps for the same people that used to bully them in school because anons think bullies don't exist anymore somehow, take what you see here with a grain of salt
Someone in this thread keeps pushing the idea that any amount of "putting your foot down" or "commanding respect" is somehow the same as literally beating your kids. They refuse to see any positive side to the father's role of disciplining children, and insist the entire role itself is bad. Then there's another person in this thread who is the opposite, insisting that dads should beat their kids because it's "le based" or something. Both this guys are morons who have daddy issues.
Everything isn't a hyper-polarized black VS white debate. Two things can be true at once. There can be good Cinemaphile dads who were written by writers who wanted to make good characters, AND at the same time there can be a common stereotype of Cinemaphile dads being total losers written by writers with daddy issues.
The fact that so many people refuse to accept that two things might be true at the same time is extremely annoying. Everything has to be "sjws are literally taking over" or "incels are literally making stuff up", when the truth is somewhere in the middle.
"Commanding respect" is probably a poor choice of words for what he's trying to get across just because of the implications of the word command but I get what you're saying
>AND at the same time there can be a common stereotype of Cinemaphile dads being total losers written by writers with daddy issues.
I still feel that's a lot of projecting since we don't know a lot about the family situation for a lot of writers. I mean two examples names in this thread (Oscar Proud and Pete McGee) were made by actual fathers.
>Someone in this thread keeps pushing the idea that any amount of "putting your foot down" or "commanding respect" is somehow the same as literally beating your kids.
Literally who.
>There can be good Cinemaphile dads who were written by writers who wanted to make good characters, AND at the same time there can be a common stereotype of Cinemaphile dads being total losers written by writers with daddy issues.
In this case good characters can be divided into the 50s, 60s, and 70s while the losers can be divided into the 80s, 90s, 00s and new 10s/20s.
Can anyone actually explain what counts as a loser dad? The only criticism I've seen are "these dads look goofy" as if not looking like Brad Pitt is somehow a crime against parenting.
>anon had an uggo dad
At least he actually had one
Don't bother trying to apply logic to these people, anon. They're just upset that goofy looking nerds manage to get pussy while they can't. It's crab bucket mentality -"If I can't have it, then you can't either" - They would rather live in a world where only guys more attractive than they are can get girls because it gives them an excuse to give up.
See
Quit misrepresenting the fricking argument
Stop making a stupid and meaningless argument
>I’m going to ignore your points and call you an incel!!1!
But it's so much easier to just lie about what you're saying than to actually address your points. If I tell people you're just a loser incel they'll immediately discredit you without even reading your argument and so I win without having to think too hard.
Am I wrong though?
The worst part is I don't think you're being ironic and actually think this way.
Well there are people who actually think that way, but they'd never admit it. Probably because they're not "consciously" thinking that way, it's just the only way they know how to argue because they're midwits.
That's exactly what I was saying. This whole thread is full of midwits who can't argue for shit. You just KNOW they were never disciplined as children.
Not disciplined as children, and don't see the problem with loser dads. Likely come from a family with a loser dad, or from a single mother home.
It's not about them being "not frickable". It's about them not being on the same level as their wife. It's okay for the dad to be an ugly/goofy looking character, but the mom should also be an ugly/goofy looking character if that's the case. Not an ugly dad and a hot mom. It's about portraying people fairly. The dad shouldn't be hot if the mom is ugly, either. They should be similar in terms of appearance, intelligence, and capability. A 50's era uber-great handsome nuclear dad, with a dumb ugly bimbo mom who is the butt of all the jokes, would be just as annoying if it was in every single cartoon. But it's not. This street only goes one way.
There have been good dad characters in the thread who have been mislabeled as "loser dads". You are correct. But there are also bad dad characters in the thread, too. The existence of the good characters does not negate the existence of the bad characters, nor does it make the good characters the majority. But honestly, this isn't even strictly a cartoon issue. This stereotype is everywhere. From sitcoms to fricking advertisements. God forbid we put negative female stereotypes in sitcoms and ads, though.
>It's about portraying people fairly.
Very few of the examples here fit that stereotype; either the dad is just as attractive as the mom or they're both normal looking people. The dad from Molly McGee looks better than his wife.
Coomers minds have been so ruined that they assume every mom is a supermodel by default.
I know you've got this one good example and you keep bringing it up, but Molly McGee being good does not negate any of the shows that aren't good.
People should be equal. Feminists have fought for this idea for decades. Being equal should mean equal treatment in all aspects of life, not just the good things. Not just the positive representation.
If a woman getting slapped in a cartoon means you get angry letters, but a male getting slapped does not, you should be slapping more women in cartoons until people stop caring so much, in the same way they don't care about men getting slapped. Equality. "We get less angry soccer moms complaining about our cartoon" is not a good enough reason to throw the ideals of gender equality out the window. If these companies are going to throw basic marketing out of the window when it comes to "sex sells" and stop making attractive women for super hero shows and videogames targeted at teenage boys, then they should also be willing to throw basic marketing out of the window when it comes to "women spend more money and complain more about products so cater to them instead of men".
>I know you've got this one good example and you keep bringing it up, but Molly McGee being good does not negate any of the shows that aren't good.
Kim Possible, Phineas and Ferb, Secret Saturdays, American Dad, King of the Hill, Bob's Burgers, the Addams Family. See I don't need to keep using one example because I can name actual shows. You've never defined what these bad shows fricking are.
He's not going to. You can name every good example until the sun sets and it still won't be enough to erase the bad shows, never mind that we have no metric for what is considered bad.
Why do all those cartoons have such ugly artstyles? What's the appeal?
Why don't cartoons look like this anymore
? Or like 80's He-Man? Why are fricking garbage Netflix animators the only western animators that don't make the absolute cheapest chinese sweatshop crap like all these modern cartoons? I just want cartoons where the men look like attractive men and the women look like attractive women and there are no weird noodle arms or anything.
>Why don't cartoons look like this anymore
Johnny quest comes to mind as the iconic fearless boy adventurer
I remember Ben 10, Zack from the Secret Saturdays, Aang.
I've also heard Penn Zero and Randy Cunningham fit the bill but I didn't watch those
But at some point it felt like everyone in the industry soured against the hero boy. Everyone knows about Finn's tragic descent in Adventure Time from heroic protagonist to a punching bag for the writers. No, now boys have to be traumatized and sensitive and emotional and wear dresses and live in perpetual embarrassment and insecurity.
Steven
Marco
Hunter
And that's if there are young boy characters at all.
I think the best one we've got from this new generation of cartoons is fricking Sprig from Amphibia, and he's a fricking frog.
Let boys be brave and adventurous again God dammit. # ? Or like 80's He-Man?
Anon those shows were animated like shit because the budgets were shoestrings. Take off the nostalgia goggles.
>Why do all those cartoons have such ugly artstyles? What's the appeal?
>Kim Possible
>Phineas and Ferb
>Secret Saturdays
>ugly
Ffs, Secret Saturdays is a homage to shows like Jonny Quest
Also
>complaining about Addams Family being ugly and modern
This has to be troll. No one can be this moronic.
Phineas and Ferb isn't really a good example, it honestly does have a pretty ugly artsyle. I was put off by it for a long time before actually seeing the show in action. In context there's nothing wrong with the dad though, he's probably one of the better looking characters in the show all things considered.
As a rule, the most of the adult characters look better than the main kid cast. Probably a side effect of being in development for nearly 15 years.
>and there are no weird noodle arms or anything.
With the exception of Bob's Burgers, all those shows debuted before noodle arms was a thing.
>Why are fricking garbage Netflix animators the only western animators that don't make the absolute cheapest chinese sweatshop crap like all these modern cartoons?
>he says while holding up Jonny Quest and He-Man as good art
Lol
>modern
Several of those cartoons are well over a decade old. Kim Possible celebrated it's 20th anniversary this past June.
All I'm imagining is the blandest fricking "entertainment" because people have to avoid offending both genders.
You can try making your hypothetical show where everyone is treated according to your ideas of fairness but I doubt anyone would pay it any mind in the first place, because you're more concerned with indulging a personal vision that most people don't care about, or even consider being an issue in the first place. Double standards exist for a reason. Men and women are not biologically equal unless we reach such a time that transhumanist technology fully bridges that gap. You can squawk about it all you like alongside the sjws but don't be surprised when no one takes you seriously.
>Not an ugly dad and a hot mom. It's about portraying people fairly. The dad shouldn't be hot if the mom is ugly, either.
They're fricking cartoons that don't reflect reality. I don't give a frick about portraying people fairly, I just want to be entertained.
Meh, the whole thing sounds like sjw-logic nonsense about how people are depicted in media, while ignoring the basic facts of what's marketable. General audiences don't want to see ugly women so girls are always attractive, but they're less sensitive to seeing goofy looking guys. Guys take the brunt of slapstick humor because they're naturally tough enough to take it, showing women constantly get hit will get your station bombarded by angry letters, and no that's not a recent development. You're b***hing that men aren't empowered enough in TV shows and I don't see how it's any less ridiculous as a feminist complaining how women aren't empowered enough.
At this point making any cartoon will be impossible since someone is going to be offended.
Cartoons will continue to be made, people will continue to be offended, and I will be here for a blink of time on this planet to make fun of the offended people.
>The existence of the good characters does not negate the existence of the bad characters, nor does it make the good characters the majority.
If we go by this thread, the good characters are actually the majority.
You could help argue the point if you actually NAME the bad/loser characters rather than making sweeping generalizations.
>Not disciplined as children, and don't see the problem with loser dads. Likely come from a family with a loser dad, or from a single mother home.
That is some weird projection over people disagreeing with you.
It's a combination of factors, "looking goofy" is the LEAST of the problem. In fact, "looking goofy" on its own is FINE. These are cartoons, the characters are supposed to look goofy. The issue is the way the characters BEHAVE and interact with other characters. It's the attitude and mannerisms. These dads are punching bags for the writers, total idiots who never succeed without help from their wives or kids (unless their "success" is a joke), they are emasculated and don't discipline their children, they receive little to no respect from other characters, and are usually drawn to be less appealing than their wives and kids.
Now, I'm sure we'll get some dumbass who will intentionally misunderstand the argument being made. They'll insist that anyone who does not want these "loser" dads must actually want the opposite sort of hyper-authoritarian wife-beater type dad. Or they'll just default to their "it's for kids" argument, but that's stupid because kids aren't making the show, adults are. Adults are inserting these ideas into shows that your children watch. Adults make cartoons. If there's weird shit or political nonsense in cartoons, it's not kids who put it there. It's adults. And it's okay to criticize a product made by adults for children.
Just like it's okay to criticize McDonalds if they put dog shit in your kid's Happy Meal, it's okay to criticize animators and cartoonists if they put this shit in your kid's cartoons. "But the meal wasn't made for you, so why do you care?" is a moronic argument.
>These dads are punching bags for the writers, total idiots who never succeed without help from their wives or kids (unless their "success" is a joke), they are emasculated and don't discipline their children, they receive little to no respect from other characters, and are usually drawn to be less appealing than their wives and kids.
The rest of your argument is literally just yelling at windmills but this part right here shows me you haven't seen any of the cartoons you're b***hing so hard about
Well of course not, cartoons are for children.
>bitches about children's cartoons
>"won't someone think of the children"
>doesn't actually watches what he's complaining about
This whole thread is a mind frick.
And even in cases where this was true, it's clearly just the male writers and artists poking fun at themselves (you know, because they have a sense of humor) rather than some sort of MK Ultra psyop
Just look at Pete McGee who this thread seems to hate for some reason
>total idiots who never succeed without help from their wives or kids
He saved the whole town from an ice storm with his skating skills and stood up to his obnoxious siblings after they were causing trouble for his family.
>they are emasculated and don't discipline their children
He was clearly reprimanding Darryl after being sent to the principal's office.
>they receive little to no respect from other characters
Molly is shown to love and respect both her parents equally.
>and are usually drawn to be less appealing than their wives and kids.
He looks better than his wife.
>He looks better than his wife.
This
Generated post.
Not really.
>are usually drawn to be less appealing than their wives and kids
Why does it always come down to people not finding the dads frickable one way or the other?
>They'll insist that anyone who does not want these "loser" dads must actually want the opposite sort of hyper-authoritarian wife-beater type dad.
Considering the "loser" dads people have been complaining about are canonically loving fathers who have their children's love and respect, it's not an unreasonable assumption to make.
Well said, anon
This. I don’t get why other anons don’t get it.
The only animator I can think of who really strikes me as having daddy issues is John K.
It's mostly the fact that he's actually there for his girls that made me like him the most because while he disciplined them he never out right screamed at them over the minor things. He was the complete opposite of my dad despite both being single fathers which led me to liking him a lot even to this day.
I'm pissed at what 2016 dis to his character because he's a guy, though, and I'm glad that out all reboots it seems to be everyone's most hated.
The live action reboot managed to frick him up even more if you can believe him.
Yeah, I saw the script and they turned him into a shithead because how dare a man be a good father to his children. That and if the girls ever decided to stop being heroes in the original, wouldn't Utonium support them? He supports almost everything else they do, I can't see why he'd be upset if being heroes got too stressful for them.
Shit, it goes against the movie; Utonium wanted his daughters to live a normal life, it was the girls who had to convince him that they could handle being superheroes.
But the cartoon is animated cash in of the CW show so frick canon I guess.
Because they're afraid of rape
Does this look like a sissy to you?
Yes actually. Or at the very least the stereotypical pencil necked nerd.
Same applies to him
>dweeb
>nerd
Do you live in this world made up of 80s high school movie cliches, where the big jocks are the ones getting the prom queens and the nerds just get shoved into lockers? Here's a small fact of life; the nerds are the ones who ended up fricking the prom queen in the end. Just ask Nicholas Cage's character in the Rock.
>Here's a small fact of life; the nerds are the ones who ended up fricking the prom queen in the end.
Sloppy seconds.
This; do people really think these hot wives had their husbands as a first choice? They settled when they had no other options.
They're cartoons, so unless any previous suitors actually appear on-screen this is just typical NTR gay projections.
>what is real life
The place where the cast of PPG, Kim Possible, and The Addams Family are just goofy haha giggle wiggles and not actual human beings who are subject to our faults.
See
That makes nerds all the more sadder.
I don't know what form of cope this is, but it's a cope nonetheless
Because it was originally a comedic subversion of the serious/strict/responsible father character and then everyone started copying it until it became the norm and now it's a stereotype
you're just jealous you'll never be as cool as Max Modem or pull a girl like Lindana
>cis
>straight
>human
>a business owner
>a guitar player
>has the best songs
>generally the most enjoyable character in the entire show (the bar wasn't that high to begin with, but still)
>Future showed he was a failure of a father
every goddamn time.
I noticed that the emasculation began when tradwives were being phased out. Quite a coincidence…
Also girl power cartoons
OP scream fatherless to me. Imagine looking into children’s cartoons for the lack of father figure in your life
>Why are modern cartoon dads (1980s-2020s) so sissy and emasculated or lazy and stupid?
That's every dad, you just forgot to add "overworked" to the list
Thatcherism and Reaganomics
Because the people running everything took the term"Girls Rule, Boys Drool" literally
I like Lawrence. I think he would be a cool dad. Also, despite appereances, Linda is an idiot too who never notices anything their kids do.
because they're comedy cartoons and if you want kids to laugh you make the characters stupid and flawed so they constantly do terrible and dumb things. tom could have just killed jerry if he didnt constantly act like an idiot for the sake of a joke. same principle.
hank hill says hello, neighbor.
Hank was pretty stupid anon and a poor father to Bobby.
Hank did his best
That boy ain't right
i'd like to see you do better.
I can so do better
I'm listenin'.
First of all, Bobby would be supported in anything he wanted to do.
You've already made mistake #1.
>he thinks sycophancy is the way to being a good parent
yes, you are so different and better from all the spineless parents of gen x.
>supporting a child is sycopanthy
>supporting a child
and
>supported in anything he wanted to do
are two different things, anon. Also, it's *sycophancy. Just copy-paste next time if you don't know how to spell it.
meant for
>Hank was pretty stupid anon and a poor father to Bobby.
t. Daddy issues.
not a show for kids and hank is the MC
Progress
You need to forgive your dad before it's too late, OP. Whatever he did isn't worth this obsession.
I'm kind of curious, did these threads start popping up after Father's Day?
There's definitely some anti-masculinity sentiment going in in some cases, but I think a lot of these cases of an ugly wacky dad is due to the simpsons being so massive in culture then
I’d argue hardcore anti masculinity began with Disney in the early 2000s
I'm still not sure what "pro-masculinity" media existed in the past that you guys say has been lost, because for as long as I could remember television aimed at a general family audience has always pushed "It's better to be weak but kind than strong but an butthole"
Even shows from the 60's had goofy dumb comedy dads and messages about not letting "the big mean jocks get you down" so I fail to see why this all seems like a more recent development for you guys. What am I missing?
This.
Hell most cartoons nowadays have actually been more diverse in showing dads since shit like All in the Family and Honeymooners.
Apparently the real issue is that anon was bitter about not having enough action-adventure cartoons
but he's too twisted up to say what he actually means without a team of therapists prodding him.
the flintstones wasn't originally a show for kids and fred is the main character, not the main characters dad
2020's. No. That's just woke trash.
1980-2000 that's not modern. They're after all made to do COMEDY not to be serious stories.
The newer shows with all the sjw shit are EMASCULATED.
It’s considered modern society. Also even back comedy emasculated males. The 2000s was the precursor to a lot of woke shit.
in a comedy for kids where the main characters are the kids you only have 3 choices for the dad
aloof idiot
neurotic beta
or non character who's taken with some respect when around
that being said the dad from P&F isn't really that bad. I asuume you think he's a beta, and he's really not. He's more of a non character who spouts British things when needed
a serious and capable dad isn't funny. all the problems in the show would be solved with such a dad
>so sissy and emasculated or lazy and stupid?
cuz white male is the new enemy of the people now so you have to despise him and see him subhunan
reminds me of the propaganda from my childhood
t. anon from excommie country
Elaborate or I call bullshit.
it reminds me of how the kulaks and other western spys or antisocialist elements were portrayed by propaganda in media back when I was still a kid and my country was run by commies
Johnny quest sucked balls and the two adult men are the subject of gay jokes all the time
>modern writers are so afraid of masculinity that they have to make gay jokes about it
No way!
writers
Who's gonna tell him
1970 onwards counts as modern
>He thinks homosexuality can't be masculine
lol
shiro wasn't supposed to be gay
That’s not masculine
Post body
Summer Camp Island actually has pretty great fathers in it. Ironically, it's the mothers who aren't so glowingly great.
easier (see cheaper) to writer shitty dads and slightly less shitty mom's then write good dads and believable "strong" mothers.
That sucks so bad. Writing good parents shouldn’t have to be expensive
>Another fricking Industrycuck thread
>Nearly 400 replies
I hate this board
>Industrycuck
What's that? INB4 Cinemaphile newbie, yes.
Lurk more
It's all the mods' fault for not taking actions on him.
He spams his one shitty topic so much he inevitably draws attention upon himself. He samegays a lot so he makes it look like his threads are more populated than they are, newbies fall for them, and some old gays just want to poke at the chimp in his cage.
But ultimately it's all the mods' fault for not cutting the nip before it grows and just giving him what he's long earned.
You can tell there's a world of a difference between them. No doubt she was the prom Queen who had to settle for a nerd for finances.
This is just straight up ugly bastard. The creator even confirmed that Jack was based on Fred Flintstone, so the fat, useless idiot genes are baked in.
It's like a prototype of the McGees. The milquetoast, mediocre white dude with the domineering Asian wife. Accurate to real life at least.
Domineering and art degree don't mix
thats very real
Neither Susan nor Sharon are ever portrayed as domineering towards their husbands. The former is straight up worried that Jonathan would be scared off if he knew their secret.
All women look domineering to a viewer who is completely emasculated himself, pls understand.
originally it was because people wanted to laugh at wacky dad characters to cope for their own dads being buttholes, now i think its just because dads are actually like that now.
the time frame you gave is long enough for kids growing up with kooky dad characters when they were kids to be old enough to actually be those kooky dad characters in real life now
Hell, OP's pic was based on one of the creator's own stepdad. But apparently drawing from your own life is now an attack on masculinity.
Cinemaphile is just full of bitter reactionaries that blame their own emasculated existences on a lack of macho men in cartoons for them to larp as
Ah yes, because basing your life off of fictional cartoon characters is the single manliest thing you can do
oh definitely
I just find it weird that people seem more concerned about masculinity than if they're good parents. Not saying those are mutually exclusive but there's less talk of parenting skills and more "this beta looks goofy and has goofy moments".
Perhaps it is a result of Western society at large failing to establish a coherent vision of healthy masculinity, much like how Hollywood cannot write compling female protagonists and resorts to slapping a pair of boobs onto the most generic, chauvinistic, played-out male hero archetypes.
>Perhaps it is a result of Western society at large failing to establish a coherent vision of healthy masculinity
I mean as someone pointed out Fred Flintstone was already taking the piss since the 60s so it's not like this is a recent development.
This. Society has failed men and women
yeah it'd be very funny to have an aggressive dad who loses their cool on the drop of a dime
i'm laughing just thinking about it
That's just F is for Family
not a kids show
It's because of the rape
Surprised nobody's mentioned this badass here.
He wasn’t really a main focus
>generally considered to be attractive in series
> Chad that regularly preforms insane physical feats or tasks requiring high levels of skill or intelligence
> Ludicrous jawline
>Deep voice
>Grew up in broken home with abusive parents
Is Stan everything industry cuck wants in a cartoon dad?
He's the stereotypical dumbass dad though
Something more like this would be better
Hyper realism
It’s not realistic
He has a lot of faults, but you can't argue that Rand is sissy, stupid or lazy.
no one has explained how to make a capable and serious dad funny for a kid's comedy while still also being a character
That's because that's the not the point of OP or any of the "other anons" that support him. He doesn't actually care about making a good masculine character, he just needs something to point at and call bad in order to momentarily distract himself from how shit his own life is. Otherwise, he'd have to acknowledge that his failures are his own fault and no one else's.
Doesn’t that just prove there needs to be better father figures in animation?
It proves you need to learn personal responsibility
Oh yeah? Well I think that proves that it doesn't prove anything!
that proves you're cherry picking
Just don’t make a comedy. Simple.
But anon, that's what normalgays want to watch. Loregayging and action is for nerds.
but all the examples being pointed to as "pushing" bad father figures ARE comedies. If the goal is to look for shows with strong dads they should stop cherry picking
No shit a dad in a COMEDY isn't gonna be taken seriously. What kind of moron would expect serious characters in a coemdy
Shows that aren't comedies almost always have strong male figures when present
You're so moronic it hurts
Exactly. Imagine if a stand up comedian went up on stage and started going on about how he was able to get five women to agree to have sex with him after showing off how cool he was at the club, and then proceeded to talk about how great at sex he was and how he was the most baller badass at sex on the planet. Not a single person in the audience is going to laugh.
Now imagine the same story, except as he was about to have sex with the five women, he stubbed his toe super hard on the bedside table and fell to the ground writhing, these five women now just stared at his embarrassed naked ass for seconds that feel like eternities after he posed as some sort of alpha all night. NOW you've got the audience laughing.
Comedy is about humility. Being able to expose the parts of yourself that are less than flattering, and showing people that it's okay to have a laugh about their own insecurities too. It's a detox. That's the point.
A real chad would never stoop to making fun of himself.
He's not going to make anyone laugh then.
And if he can't make you laugh, why hang out with him?
just because you refuse to have any humor doesn't mean you're not a joke
>Mogs your entire industry
he's too perfect
wasn't Marceline's dad some kind of vampire overlord, which is not "emasculating or stupid"?
He was a pretty big doofus
I think it's just a joke. Since the dad is supposed to be smart, responsible, manly and reliable, they make him some flawed piece of crap for the cartoons and it makes everyone feel better about how much they suck themselves or they're at least better than cartoon dads. My real 80s and 90s dad was actually quite responsible and manly.
durr why is it a joke though? no im not gonna look at shows that aren't comedies, they should stop making comedies durr
Why couldn't 80s and 90s cartoons be as responsible as manly though? It feels like it's trying to shame fathers like that in real life.
what the frick are you talking about dumbass
It’s clear that cartoons weren’t reflective of reality back then so to counteract masculine father figures irl, they tried flipping the script with total geeks and freaks.
It’s like how they discourage femininity with strong independent women who need no man.
meds now
imagine being THIS concerned about if fictional characters have good father figures/relationships
like bish, mind your own business
israeli ploy to emasculate white men.
This. They’re even gunning for blacks and Asians.