No, really. I would expect these shows to choose much more interesting settings, like pre-colonization times or the Inca period—subjects you don't often see people making stories about.
Making satan your main villain isn't interesting anymore
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They’re not very well educated Anon, I doubt many of them could see life pre colonies and if they could they’d struggle to write about badmouthing founding fathers in this setting and making England the bad guy.
Trying to replace the void left by decades of atheism with the """deconstruction""" of these themes.
From what I've learned you can make atheists laugh by asking them about their thoughts on Jesus or Mohammad but they are either taken aback or recoil in pain if asked about their thoughts on Moses
Wouldn't they recoil in pain when asked about Jesus too?
Millennials hate christianity
Yeah but they hate it for the dumbest reasons.
Instead of hating it for being nothing more than the death cult of a mad Galilean that corrupted the minds of the citizens of Rome and lead to the Gods turning their back on civilization and leading to a thousand years of barbarism, they hate it because they had to go to church on sunday.
>pagan larper
how's that odinncum tasting?
The writer who came up with that story also said jesus and the apostoles had gay orgies
Yes, both are false, but you believe the last one like a moron
>Christianity
>death cult
lol are there really people like you who actually believe this moronic shit.
It literally is. It openly worships death. The death of morality and virtue, by stating that the commandements should be ignored and that the only salvation comes from christ, the death of nobility, as the leaders of society are openly mocked and attacked, the death of reason, the worship of pain and suffering as the highest good and the disregard for the philosophies of the great thinkers of greece, with the notable exception of the perversion of the works of Plato.
That regurgitation of ideas seems to come from a chronic masturbator.
Prime examples of people with the power to read but refuse to do so. What’s more is asking that decision has eroded their minds to believe the bullshit others echo around them and they too have become part of the mindless masses that respond to outrage but nothing else.
You losers have no lives AND no reading comprehension.
The entire point of Christianity is “Don’t be an butthole”. That’s it.
>the weird guy at the party has just caught up with you
>by stating that the commandements should be ignored
incorrect but I'm too tired to debate. Why can't you fricking look things up yourself instead of fishing for (Y - ah nvm I see
It's a sand monkey breeding cult. Also, you're crazy.
I hope you don’t think you’re actually smart after saying that
you are not roman
>Death Cult
You got mindbroken
I love seeing pagan larpers fight with tradcath larpers.
>south american abrahamic monkey-Black folk seething at this post
rent free
You know what's more "cringe" than your "weirdo" post? Everyone replying just to insult you without offering anything of substance. At least you put your beliefs forward.
There is nothing of substance to his post to begin with. It's all pagantroon seething
>defending fricking satanism on Cinemaphile
>accuses others of "lacking substance"
pottery
It's a guy sharing his beliefs. The replies are just people insulting him without sharing their own beliefs.
>le pagan
Odin drank semen and Loki fricked a horse.
The first claim is untrue (the source is a gay israeli sexologist who says that Jesus was a homosexual prostitute), and Loki isn't a God.
"Divinity" in Norse paganism is a less concrete than in Greek paganism, and that alone had grey areas. There were various tribes of non-Humans, and yes Loki wasn't born into the Aesir he was accepted among their number and that's what counts. Loki is a trickster figure whose tricks are useful to the Aesir up until the point he goes too far and then YOLO's the apocalypse.
And to continue, this grey area exists (and thus the whole "divinity" and "who is a god and who isn't" doesn't matter) because the Norse viewed their reality as being a divine civilization against everything that wanted to undermine said civilization. Value vs anti-value.
There is zero evidence that Loki was ever worshiped, his "arc" ends up with him devoting himself to evil and swearing hostility to the Aesir, and his actions throughout the Eddas and Sagas are routinely shameful and degenerate by Germanic standards. Loki is on the side of chaos and openly swears against order (this is the entire point of Lokasenna where he repeatedly affirms that he is on the side of chaos).
t. zero reading comprehension
The entire point of Loki is to show that while intelligence can be useful, ultimately Loki used it improperly and thought his utility alone would allow him to avoid the consequences of Baldr's death (as it had all the other times he caused trouble). You are viewing this as a good vs evil struggle, which is a very Christian interpretation.
>no he isnt
Yes he is. In fact he's THE trickster figure in Western mythology.
I bet you two are neo-Pagan LARPers.
>You are viewing this as a good vs evil struggle
Because it is. The entire point of the narrative is that Loki is an outsider and a force of chaos. Odin takes him in as tool of order to see if he can be good (like Hel and Sleipnir) or not (like Fenris and Jormungandr), he thoroughly demonstrates that he's on the side of chaos, rebukes every bit of natural law that he can find, and then swears to try to kill his former friends and family. That's evil.
>In fact he's THE trickster figure in Western mythology.
No he's not. The only "trick" he ever pulls is hitting Iðunna over the head to steal her apples, and even then he just smacks her on the head with a rock. If you want to do this archetype bullshit then frankly a better trickster figure is Odin who repeatedly takes on disguises and actually tricks people.
>I bet you two are practitioners of the religion in question that I know very little about!
Maybe you should listen to them then?
>You are viewing this as a good vs evil struggle, which is a very Christian interpretation.
Then shouldn't you be finding this stuff super based? I thought you ortholarp "everything is demons" types love these grandiose good vs evil narratives.
>Loki wasn't born into the Aesir he was accepted among their number and that's what counts
he swore an oath to odin, broke it, and then broke every tenet of asatru's conception of divine law
>Loki is a trickster figure
no he isnt
>Loki isn't a God.
cope
I denounce all gods except YHWH/Jesus
Loki GOT fricked, he TECHNICALLY is a mother.
I like how everyone calls you a nordic pagan larper when you're clearly a roman one
Reddit moronic shit.
My problem with christianism is how egocentric its followers are, everything is about MY eternal salvation and to hell with everybody else. Seriously, I cant even fathom a blissful eternity knowing my son, a friend's grandpa or shit, ANYBODY is suffering forever somewhere else.
I think it's because you soon start to realize that you can't convince anybody to follow Jesus, especially in these end times. At some point, it will become every Christian for himself.
>At some point
homie thats how it is with christgays always, they only care about saving their own skin. Even trying to save others by converting them is a selfish act once you learn that, if they dont share "the good word" they doom themselves to hell.
In general, most Theologies are going to posit that if the only reason you shared the good word was because you were scared you were going to hell then you aren't going to heaven. You can't bargain with God. Either you believe and accept his gift and are thus grateful and moved by the Holy Spirit to then share that gift, or you're guilty of metaphysical simony trying to bargain your way into a gift you don't believe in.
I'm a Gnostic, so I have no horse in this race. Hopefully you'll keep learning enough to escape Material Existence before Yaldabaoth perfects his cage.
The original premise is that once you are converted and begin living a Christian lifestyle, the vigor you feel from living a Christ like life will overwhelm you with joy to the point that you will want to share it with other people. In the medieval ages and during the19th century, the messages spouted regarding conversion and salvation skewed this image
Bad apples spoil the bunch. Some people are genuinely empathetic and want what's best. They take up evangelizing not through words but through actions. Doing good deeds not to get into heaven but because it's what Jesus would have done. And people feel good doing when good things to other people. As for the question of the afterlife, it's a matter of theology since many Christians interpret things in many different ways
Larpagans are so fricking gay
Based anon.
Roman's known for developing tech that pushed humanity forward, and Christians are still to this day, trying to say a volcano is "god's wrath" to punish sinners.
I love when we broke all the myths wide open...ya know, because science explains lightning n shit?
So, dispelling everything else, why does God and Muhammad get a pass? I mean, Muhammad will get you KILLED, but god? Is THE one of the old religions left in the world that we can't dispell "j-just because...ok!?".
Why didn't other religions account in their texts about a man resurrecting? Had to have seen or heard....SOMETHING.
I want to frick demon girls
Maybe False Prophet Elon will have some for you, I don't know.
You might be better off not doing that and joining Christ instead.
I want a Helltaker series.
I want a Hellraiser series
Satanism is BPD
>Making satan your main villain
But that's not even the case, they make him a quirky sympathetic guy who's actually a cool misunderstood dude. I can't recall the last time Satan or demons in general were presented as villains.
>But that's not even the case, they make him a quirky sympathetic guy who's actually a cool misunderstood dude. I can't recall the last time Satan or demons in general were presented as villains
The Netflix Sabrina series, surprisingly. All it took was an angle that let them paint Satan as an old, rigid patriarch and devil-worship as a rigid male-dominated tool of oppression.
Netflix Sabrina was a pretty strong deconstruction of "witchcraft is cool" considering at every single point witch society was presented as being full of backstabbing, power-hungry psychopaths constantly murdering each other.
It's been that way ever since Milton inadvertently made Satan cool.
>/misc/ out of nowhere
huh? what is this board's obsession with /misc/?
So is the future of animation just constant FOTMs?
sadly yes
Because all indies are produced in production Hell and development limbo.
This seven eyes goat is not satan its a representation of god hinself
Based schizo thread
>Schizo is when you make an observation
Speaking of noticing things.... Have you guys noticed (oh noo im a schizo oooo ooga booga) how people bave been abusing that word on Cinemaphile recently? And it usually just an attempt to silence some guy who said something that upsettied you?
To be fair, the pagan ruined the thread.
Slightly Damned animation when.
Gnostic Christian indie cartoon when?
When gnostics are ever relevant or interesting (never)
>Gnostics are never interesting
You've been talking to the wrong Gnostics
Fun is a construct of the demiurge designed to keep you trapped in the matrix
The problem with Gnosticism is in your comic. It says "to be continued" after the creation story but there aren't many other Gnostic myths.
There's Abel's descent into the underworld but that's Mandaean which is a different branch from the Judea-Christian Gnostic myth you posted. They have a slightly different account of the flood myth. But that's it. No other stories.
Most Gnostic scripture just retells the creation myth and then just hammers on about it's Zoroastrian knock-off cosmology.
Meanwhile, Christianity has like four or five stories in Genesis alone plus all the prophets and kings of the Old Testaments, Christ and the apostles in the New Testaments and a shitload of apocrypha stories and other oddities like Satan's fall from grace or the apocalyptic stuff.
I'd like to see some obscure Muslim stories. Like that time Alexander the Great and an angel went to go find the Fountain of Youth and then Alexander fricked an angel to death which allowed Satan to steal the waters from the fountain and Alexander converted to Islam in penitence.
Or that time the pharaoh from Exodus tried to find-out if baby Moses was a israelite by placing a plate of coals and a plate of gold in front of him. And, being a israelite, baby Moses instinctively went for the gold but then Gabriel stopped him and had him grab the coal which pharaoh took as a sign of Moses not being a israelite.
Weird shit like that.
Where is the bible verse talking about baby Moses and Gabriel?
It's in the Talmud. Or maybe Aggadic Midrash. I'm not an expert in Judaic lore.
IMO the sad part is that they center around things like hell or limbo or satanism, but it's not even in the cool fantastical way
It's just inner city life but in hell, or inner city life but with satanic elements
These people are so uncreative they are literally incapable of imagining more than that
it's d&d's fault
I'd watch an adaptation of the Screwtape Letters or the Great Divorce.
Unfortunately, the same American Evangelicals that C.S. Lewis constantly criticized have taken over any adaptation of his work.
One day I would like to see DC or Marvel do a SMT event. Where everyone and everything fight and kill over their ideals of LAW, CHAOS, and NEUTRAL. The winner remakes all of reality and its rules.
Superman is stronger than all the gods and several superheroes have already temporarily obtained omnipotence.
That's because Superman is a messiah like the other character from SMT games. Made and powered by the Axiom. So you are telling me that Superman should be the main character of this event and see if the other heroes or villains will try to sway him towards LAW, NEUTRAL, or CHAOS. Also the Stephen of this event should be Jack Kirby or Stan Lee.
Most superheroes would choose law and supervillains chaos. No one would choose neutral.
But anon that’s the lamb of God
You know, an animated series based on Revelation coming to pass would be pretty cool, wouldn't it? It's one of the neatest books in the Bible. Imagine the creativity you could show with the Seals, the Four Living Creatures, the Angels with the power to damage the land and the sea, the Dragon, the Woman clothed with the sun, and so on.
It would, but Christians would never go for it. Not because it would be blasphemous or anything (although some would claim that,) but more because they would see all the cool shit and go 'no wait, I thought Christianity was about Jesus being nice or something, not all this theological prophecy stuff.'
> they would see all the cool shit and go 'no wait, I thought Christianity was about Jesus being nice or something, not all this theological prophecy stuff.'
> "Left Behind"? What's that?
If anything, it would be interesting to see the theological depiction of Revelation prophecies, with the twist the Antichr8st was the rebel leader, not the politician.
Trump is the villain in my movie
I have been working on it for a while. There's a lot of worldbuilding surrounding the Heaven setting.
God is still constructing it (as it says in the Bible) so there are still some security loopholes, allowing this not-jesus to sneak in.
>You know, an animated series based on Revelation coming to pass would be pretty cool, wouldn't it?
Which interpretation? Each sect has their own and disagreeing with them on the color of the Antichrist's underwear is grounds for eternal damnation, and you can't do the Prince of Egypt bit by just going with what the israelites say because israelites think that Revelation is horseshit.
Not really an issue in this case. Most theological disagreements regarding Revelation center around order of events (pre- vs. post-millennialism) or whether or not Revelation is to be taken literally or allegorically, and either way these are considered minor debates.
or even if we should be talking about how Revelation is unfolding.
>shut up man, Jesus doesn't come for at least another 50 years stop saying we are in the end times!
GPT / DIffusion AI is clearly the Many Eye'd Beast to me and will lead to "Political Fakes" for whatever agenda, and most of society is already "believing" things they know to be lies for political gain, whether or not there's a divine war happening there's at least going to be something political when houses cost 2 lifetimes of work to purchase minimum for everyone.
A lot of the imagery and prophecies in Revelation have already happened anyways. The last major things to come about are the 7 Plagues and Jesus' Return
A lot of these people grew up on the end of the Satanic Panic and felt the aftermath of that for being alternative or queer. So now that they're old enough to make their own art they're embracing what they were being forced to associate with as kids. It's like when a bully tells you your shirt is ugly and instead of feeling bad you wear the shirt more often to spite them.
>umm its actually retaliation and reclaiming-
lol your shit sucks loser just accept it
It's the right explanation though. If you don't like it then ignore it. I could care less for vivziepop or whatever else OP is talking about.
so I was right
and it's d&d's fault
Idk statism always came off as the incel religion born out of pure spite of Christianity
God abandoned animators when they gave him the middle finger, now AI is God's punishment for them
Most indie animation ISN'T based around satanism or "limbos" (whatever you mean by that).
sheltered, rich people who never had to struggle fetishize evil.
Maybe it will be interesting when it's done in fully hand-drawn animation?
And also that's a picture of the Jesus lamb that opens the 7 seals, I think you meant to use baphomet.
>itt guys who haven't seen any indie animation except Hazbin Hotel and ADC
Hey, I watched Satina too!
They still think that satanism is edgy.
It's not?
I'd call it 'safe edgy'. There's no bite to it nowadays.
Doesn't even piss of people the same anymore. Used to be stuff could get canceled for not being christian enough, now you'll only maybe get a mild and short lived controversy for clear satanist messaging and iconography.
Plus it's pretty widely known that organized Satanism is split into two camps: hipster atheism and PG-13 Westboro Baptist Church. Everything else is just metalheads and goths.
It might as well be american state religion
be the change you want to see, anon.
The creators now didn't get to see many shows that were centered around themes of satanism or limbo when they were kids, so it felt like territory that was fertile for exploration.
If you think that a show set in pre-colonization times or the Inca period would be cool, then start getting to work. Nothing is stopping you.
Bitching about how you want things to be different isn't interesting anymore.
Those annoys losers from Livejournal and MySpace back in the day who would LARP as Wiccans grew up but didn't get their shit together
muh religious family
Friendly reminder that Zoroaster is the one true Prophet and Ahura Mazda is the one true God.
True, Xrafstar will seethe.
Name all the indie cartoons you've seen that are centered around Satan.
Whatever that one about the gay demons in hell is called.
Big Mouth.
Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss.
>these are two separate TV shows
Well frick me, I guess I have three then.
Big Mouth has Satan in it?
Is Big Mouth even indie?
>like pre-colonization times or the Inca period
Because despite how much the Western Left likes to gush about decolonization and the likes, they know jackshit about non-white history that isn't summarized on the wallpaper of the upscale exotic restaurants they order from. That's why every time Ancient Egypt is brought up, they just fill it up with black people.
Besides, ever since the Afghanistan pullout and the Hamas attack, much of the discourse among the Left is about looking down on brown foreigners as violent racist homophobes that refuse to be westernized like good boys.
What kind of indie animation are you even watching anon? Stop giving your attention to talentless hacks like vivzie
Satanism isn’t even the theme. It’s just counter-culture christianity. Reminds me alot of Paradise Lost’s devilish, rebellious fallen-angel Satan, less so the actual Old Testemant’s “God, sir, can I kick his ass please, sir?” Satan.
Actual Satanism is like a pragmatic atheism, focused on the self. It’s called Satanism to insult christians. You can go to the wayback machine and grab a pdf of the Book of Satan by Levay- simple.
>pragmatic atheism, focused on the self
How is that counter-culture?
>Actual Satanism is like a pragmatic atheism,
Only the shitty branches that don't deserve to be called real Satanists.
>deserve to be called real Satanists
no that's called Devil Worshiping, and you can pick any one of them to worship and do their bidding.
Satanism is what anon said,
Noone should be taking this shit seriously unless they actually want to sell their soul. That point just baptize yourself in the name of sheep.
>or Scientology
>or evangelical
That's just egotism trying to parasitize off of an oppressed group without having to fully commit themselves to it. It's lame and deserves mockery.
>It's lame and deserves mockery.
Satanists have no problem making fun of themselves.
It's christians that loose their shit when you suggest that Jesus was just a guy who claimed to be son of god.
It doesn't matter if fake Satanists already know how shitty they are, they should continue to be mocked until they stop appropriating the culture of a persecuted religious minority.
>they should continue to be mocked until they stop appropriating the culture of a persecuted religious minority.
Christians are mocked for the same reason.
The one true god for the modern age is Godzilla.
At least some Christians are genuinely committed to the bit.
Noone should ever be THAT committed to the bit. Like what ever you're going on about now, engaging on Cinemaphile, it's not worth it. If you need a place to vent and just fart in the room and leave, that's understandable.
But noone should be following a 'bible' of rules set by people who'll never live your life or walk in your shoes.
Commitment to the bit is the causes of stress and dismay. You're mad that Satanists don't give a shit about anything.
Now if you wanna talk about how cartoons CREATE versions of hell and how we interpret hell on earth through ART, that's what Co is for. And we can go into that. Fantasia's hell was pretty cool.
No one should ever be that committed to the bit, but if you are then you're cooler than someone who appropriates the culture of a persecuted minority without committing to it.
And I'm not just mad that fake Satanists don't care about anything, which isn't even true, I'm mad that they appropriate a culture that they don't actually give a shit about.
Satanism is worshipping Donald Trump. I have a bobblehead of him that just sits on my shelf untouched, hidden away.
Trump is the son of perdition and the Antichrist. Elon Musk is his sidekick in my film project.
Honestly, the math KINDA ads up for Hitler to be reincarnated into Trump. He off'd himself and about 9 months later, Trump is born... it's more like a full year after Hitler dies, so the soul could've taken a few months before it was splooged into Mrs. Trump's baby tomb.
Muskrat wishes he was an anti-christ. He's literally mad that his attempts to be a good guy failed because noone wanted to give him endless love and care, so he just doubled down on being a douche bag.
Is this an stealth /x/ thread in Cinemaphile? Because it feels like it
Also watch Angel Hare if you want an actually Christian indie "cartoon"
I will have to run it by The Two Witnesses.
I looked it up online, It looks like another analog horror, it doesn't even teach lessons.
No man, the analog "horror" it's just a foil to draw people in. It even has a good ending where the protag gets his waifu!
>Making satan your main villain isn't interesting anymore
Except this is even worse, in modern cartoons, Satan is the good guy because he's le misunderstood tumblr softboy
Satan, please point me to the cartoon where you're depicted as a tumblr softboy. I need it for reasons which I'm sure you understand well.
hazbin hotel season 1 finale
For real, Smiling Friends. He's playing Rust and complaining that they forgot a straw again. Fricking chug that onions.
So, the major thing before the current era was that Christian groups had a massive control over media in general. It was very common for book burning to happen and people boycotting more effectively. 2008 changed that when most of the groups could no longer be funded by parents. There is also the early 2000s when a lot of control was being given to individual creators with easier self publishing. So a lot is a direct confrontation with Christian groups forcing censorship pre-2008 for most things with cartoons. Later on, it's going to happen with other groups in the future.
Because "indie" tends to mean you are a combative/lazy dork who can't make it in the real industry. Most combative/lazy artist types also have a petty chip on their shoulder about religion so making "what if satan is really le good guy!?!?" is the best they can make.
Back in the late 00s I was coming up with, and setting up online, my setting for my works The Underrealm, a heavenly place populated by Cosmic monsters that do things like hunt demons while being disjointed from normal ideas of good or evil. It's a Catholic portrayal of the spiritual ecosystem surrounding evil. People took my inspiration before I could finish developing these projects and twisted it for things like "sad stories about Satan," but the imprint of my inspiration is all over things like Helluva Boss.
>talking about satanism
>OP pic is literally Jesus
Why do I even bother?
you are correct anon.
A lot of indie animation is made by ex-Protestant white people who never really grew out of their rebellious phase and prop up "Satanism" as a means to bug their religious parents.
The problem is that not only is what they're doing incredibly played out and overdone, they fail to understand what exactly it is they're fixating on. "Satanism" as we understand it is a fricking meme and a joke, it's ALWAYS been edgy and immature manchildren LARPing as devil worshippers in an attempt at being nonconformative. They don't understand that the modern pop culture idea of Satan exists only because of works like Paradise Lost and the Divine Comedy, works which are basically Bible fanfiction creating context that does not actually exist in the Bible proper.
The Christian Satan is a fricking loser, but only people who actually read the Bible would know that. And if you're israeli, you'd know that Satan is God's prosecutor/narc.
The problem with trying to make Satan or Hell understandable is that you're not actually basing it on anything found in either the Torah or the Bible. You're straight up making shitty original content and slapping the Bible on it to make it look cool. PL and TDC are brilliant but they commit the same sin, which was folded into the greater mythology/folklore surrounding Satan in the greater Christian consciousness.
If you're a Christian, you'd be wiser than most by understanding that Satan is a weak worm, his only drive being to envy and hate humanity. The only power he has is the power you let him have, and all you need to do to defeat him is tell him to frick off and beat his ass.
If you're israeli, you'd understand that Satan is not the enemy, but another instrument of God testing you to see if you will make the right choice. And it's your responsibility to ignore the shoulder devil and instead obey God.
Satan is a very interesting idea but nobody understands the true nuance behind him.
>only people who actually read the Bible would know that.
You don't have to read the bible to know that. Part of the fun is making him even a b***hER shit head. Satanists read the bible just to bring up all the horrible things the bible says is A-ok to do to treat another human AND will shit talk about Lucifer. They don't do this to worship devils, they want to piss off christians.
>ex-Protestant white people who never really grew out of their rebellious phase
Those people are the worst regardless if they want to be apart of commerical satanism or not. They just fullfil the cliche tropes and do all that larping shit because they don't even do research.
A lot of satansim comes from people who were never apart of any faith and were deemed as souless by chritisans.
>I'm mad that they appropriate a culture
Are you mad at Viv specifically? Because she's just a dumb b***h before she's a satanist.
Like what part is being appropriated? Dante? Which was a larp made by a guy who wanted to see all the people who pissed him off burn in hell for micro-aggressions?
>the culture of a persecuted minority
Please don't say Christianity is a minority.
ment to include you
I'm calling real Satanists a minority, dude. They're such a minority that you can afford to pretend that they don't exist.
Real satanists are in the government.
>talks about le satan
>posts Jesus
Succesful bait is sucessful.
Ya homies need to play Strange Journey. It will give you the fix you are looking for.
Because the industry is full of heathens