Why are Superman fans so mad that people like Morally grey versions like Omniman and Homelandsr more?
Why are Superman fans so mad that people like Morally grey versions like Omniman and Homelandsr more?
Why are Superman fans so mad that people like Morally grey versions like Omniman and Homelandsr more?
The fact that you keep making threads like it's somehow clever. You're annoying.
See:
Because Superman is a subversion of a universal truth: those who wield power will wield it against you. Omniman and Homelander and whatever "super-duper man" you imagine is doing what we expect of powerful people and its fricking boring. Anyone with half a brain realizes this halfway through the last episode of Invincible season 1. No one except malicious sociopaths like that shit.
But a powerful person doing good things for the sake of doing good? That's unique. We don't see that in nature. It's a nice comforting lie to believe that someone somewhere wants to help you just 'cause and believing it helps you be that person, even if only just through small acts of kindness and support for your fellow Humans.
I like Superman as an optimistic view of humanity and it's ideals, but it's hard to find writers that can make a gripping story with a character like that. My favorite superman concept is that his greatest weakness isn't kryptonite, but instead the fact that he will ALWAYS do the right thing. If lives are threatened by a villain he will ALWAYS protect civilians rather than fight the villain, so the question is never really "Will superman survive?" (of course he will), it's "can he protect everyone?" (not necessarily), and "can he outsmart a villain that has no moral restraints and has unpredictable powers". I think he should be treated like a Super-Columbo. You know he will prevail, but you have to wonder how he'll do it.
>My favorite superman concept is that his greatest weakness isn't kryptonite
I dunno, the fact that kryptonite is the shattered remains of his past and is also capable of killing him is a powerful metaphor so it shouldn't ever be discarded or ignored.
>I think he should be treated like a Super-Columbo
I actually agree with this overall because I know that Clark's biological father was a scientist from a caste of scientists, but there are a lot of flatscans out there that think he can't be super smart if he's also super strong.
I know this is a weird thing to ask but on a related topic to this, how would you feel about a good Homelander/Plutonian
I’m working on my own cape universe, and I kind of wanted to reconstruct Superman by making my own version who had all the cards against him. He had a bad childhood, screwed up his first try at being a hero, had the same insecurities about being liked, got his powers through an extremely painful event which left him shunned and alone. And yet… he’s not a bad person. Even without a Ma, Pa, Lois, or even Jimmy, he still can’t bring himself to lash out
Is there anything I should do to make him more interesting?
I actually really like all of that. Characters that go against the grain of their surroundings/upbringing to be a better person are really interesting to me.
>Even without a Ma, Pa, Lois, or even Jimmy, he still can’t bring himself to lash out
I guess I'm naturally curious to know why he doesn't feel the same hatred towards society that a typical villain would latch onto. I mean he's lined up for a classic villain origin, so whatever prevents him from going over the edge must be something powerful even if it comes down to self-worth issues. IMO focusing on the more human/psychological elements of your character and watching him move from rock-bottom to creating the life he always wanted would be great to see
Thanks, really thank you for that. The current idea I had was that when he first got his powers it turned him into a monster, and as a result he was shunned, mocked, and eventually driven from society. Over time he slowly mutated into his more Superman esque form, but being a monster changed him. Every time he sees someone angry or lashing out, he can’t help but think of his own former situation and how much he desperately wished that someone had been there to help him get through it
But I’m still workshopping so maybe I should do something different
Yeah I dig it, that's good pathos! What i'd typically expect to see from a tragic origin is some hero character trying to sway them onto the right path, but a hero that can find his own footing from within is more inspiring to me. Plus if he's got a bad childhood to deal with, just learning how to be there for another person without a guide would be a very entertaining struggle.
Thank you. That character in particular isn’t the main character of the story but he is a major character and one of the few people in power willing to listen to the main character.
I wanted to set him up to be kind of a reverse Homelander reveal. Build him up as a possible major threat to the main characters with rumors spread about his secret dark side, and then upon meeting him reveal his backstory and have him become one of their closest allies
I like it, sounds promising Anon! Good luck!
Thanks, and thanks for the insight.
Personally I’ve always preferred good Supermen and evil Superman to coexist because it makes the good more inspirational
Huh. yeah that's pretty true, actually. now that I think about it, all these "evil/gray supermen" seem to exist without a heroic counter-example in their own stories. good shit, dude, that's a great point
Anon. What you shared isn't simply a Superman clone. It is a Superman clone that modern american superhero comics need!!
Maybe he still hates society as a whole, but can't bring himself to hate individual people?
Like when people are part of the system he's all "frick them", but as soon as they're in danger and become regular people again he can't resist wanting to help them?
You could have a cycle of emotions going that by saving people rather than changing the system, did he do the wrong thing? and that doubt and self-hate turns into hate for the system which builds up until people end up in danger and then the whole thing restarts.
He has to trust his heart on what the right thing to do is, because he can't trust anything else.
So no matter how bad things get, he'll never deny that part of himself.
You've got your reconstructed Superman that is still a hero and does the right thing, but is a lot more internally conflicted.
I really like that and I feel like that could be a really interesting direction to take him in. Specifically I’m now imagining him wishing he could just be like the Plutonian and smash society away, but he knows that he doesn’t exactly have a good idea about what to replace it with so he’s not sure what to do
I’m not exactly sure there because my original idea was that his power can in adulthood after a very bad life and was the result of him sacrificing himself to save others only for those people to reject him when the powers warped his body
I actually do have a character like that, though he’s not just my answer to Lex, he’s also my universe’s equivalent to Batman
Your Bats sounds a lot like Ultimate Captain America
He’s closer to Light Yagami or Griffith in personality and design
I kind of want to do a sort of Venture Bros thing where it’s acknowledged that a lot of superheroes and villains are larping because they have powers, so there’s like three parodies of every classic hero to represent different interpretations
You can be nice about it like the Superman guy and try to help people, or you can be an butthole like the Batman guy and ruin the fun for everyone
>The Joker is more of a hero than Batman
>He starts creating situations that Batman becomes reluctant to get involved in because he cares more about how his actions affect his company's PR (He's basically their mascot) than they do the lives of actual people
the Joker actually works for Batman. Their rivalry is an elaborate marketing scheme and every time one quits he has to sign an NDA and a new Joker is hired
>The event that causes Batman to change for the better is Joker crashing the stock markets, causing a global recession, and managing to make Wayne Enterprises into the scapegoat of it all; As Bruce himself is now inches away from a whole litany of fraud, racketeering, and embezzlement charges
>he then figures out that he can just market some of his gadgets and learns absolutely nothing, bouncing back better than ever by selling an absolute buttload of poorly made bat gadgets
>Meanwhile the world’s Blue Beetle equivalent begins crying since he’s a genuinely nice person who’s running out of money
>kids start making their own costumes after they buy the gadgets to "be like Batman"
>this leads to one of them, Jason Todd, dying in a highly-publicized shootout with police
>now Bruce's own tech has possibly made him liable in a court of law for the death of a young boy
>in a sudden moment of genius, Bruce invents a new villain, Hush, and blames the whole thing on his manipulations
>the court of owls are then created as a backup plan
>since this is a Venture esque larp Universe, versions of both marvel and DC characters exist
>all the billionaire superheroes and supervillains schedule their big fights the same way someone would schedule a get together for golf
>all the less rich heroes and villains are literally just paid to join their teams
>the government, however, was collecting data the entire time on Bruce's antics
>they have a nigh-Fort-Knox-level mountain of evidence to blackmail him with
>it's through this blackmailing that they manage to pressure him into joining their new operation; a new paramilitary group of superheroes called the "Justice League"
The “Justice” League
>Superman is just there because he genuinely believes in the mission
>Wonder Women was tricked into joining
>Green Lantern was asked to join based on military contractual obligations
>Instead of Martian Manhunter they just have the grey alien from Roswell
>Flash was threatened with a mountain of speeding tickets
>Aquaman is just there to make friends
>Batman is literally just Ozymandias with a bat symbol
>he refuses to shut up about how Superman is becoming detached from reality, even in the absence of any proof
>Even without a Ma, Pa, Lois, or even Jimmy, he still can’t bring himself to lash out
>why he doesn't feel the same hatred towards society
It would have to be a story where the person is TOTALLY and fully and always SHAT on. A good example is Harry Potter. Up to age 11, when he went to Hogwarts, everyone and everything essentially conspired to suck for him. However, magic's existence was always a wonderful thing for him, once proven.
Anon needs to make his main character's power come on like that - in his teens, but also needs to give him the pleasure in discovery of those powers and the freedom and joy it would bring.
Back to HP, he got shat on by the kids when they thought he was the one who spoke to snakes or lied about Voldemort bringing back or got himself into the tournament by cheating, etc., but he still had people who supported him, so completely taking ALL of that way (not just Ma and Pa, and a childhood friend like Lana, but also taking away Lois and Jimmy) would not work unless HE was a villain (e.g. Voldemort, in the HP stories, also shat on until he went to Hogwarts but even then, he viewed his 'friends' as resources to use, not friends to be friends with, and he had nothing like flying or quidditch, that was purely joyful or enjoyable - so magic was just about POWER and about CONTROL, etc.
Anon might need to have a similar character to make his story work, in compare and contrast.
That should mean your version of Lex is insanely spoiled to the point that he develops a deep, lingering dissatisfaction with the rest of humanity, zero remorse for any other living thing because they cannot meet his own standards
I didn't bring up Lex. I'm not the anon writing, but replying to him and the main anon that originally replied to him several times.
I personally prefer a Lex like Paul Cornell's Lex, immediately prior to the New 52, and who sometimes has shown up in prior arcs - the one who is jealous that he could cure cancer or could solve world hunger but for all his achievements, some alien who doesn't have to work as hard as he does inventing and pioneering just has power handed to him, doesn't use it like Lex would and the public loves him way more.
Ah gotcha, I'm skim-reading. My idea could work with an adult versus a teenager. My HP was just shorthanding stuff to simplify some examples that even people who hadn't read the books or even really seen the movies would understand just from mono-culture osmosis.
I'm not sure why it's necessary to 'warp' his body. Darkman was kind of an interesting idea but I think most superheroes need to be idealized humans. Even someone like Hanwiener was still attractive, fit, etc. Homelander may be an butthole villain but still presents as attractive, fit, etc.
I get what you are going for, but I would go for something else - they fear his power, or fear his difference (but that works with him being an alien or some such). It depends on how much energy you want to put into something that may never be more than fan fiction, but nothing here hasn't been explored by others, even if it was only published in Indy Planet or was one of the 40-50 Superman expies that have existed.
Sorry if you didn’t catch this but I explained this more in my previous replies, but my Superman figure was not always a Superman. His powers had a sort of larval stage where he was kind of an abomination which led to him being isolated and alone before he eventually underwent a metamorphosis into a Greek god body type
I’m gonna try to go for something more concrete as an actual book. But my idea was basically that this Superman was not always the Superman we think of. His early time with powers was spend as a weak squishy ugly abandoned thing, before he became a metaphorical butterfly and that has left him with a lot of empathy for others
Isn't that sort of the crux of the best Superman story ever, All-Star Superman?
Maybe? I do remember really loving All Star Superman, but I just feel like it gets generally overlooked in superman stories that doing the right thing is a harder path to live by. it's probably time to reread All Star Supes
>I think he should be treated like a Super-Columbo. You know he will prevail, but you have to wonder how he'll do it.
Well said.
>ut it's hard to find writers that can make a gripping story with a character like that.
Because media in general has become flooded by people who only got into pop culture because it became popular. Despite 20-30 years ago being the very people who would shit on it and anyone who consumed them. And still are those kind of people.
The idea of 'good natured' doesn't even register to them, and it shows with how little respect Heroes are given in comics nowadays.
>The idea of 'good natured' doesn't even register to them, and it shows with how little respect Heroes are given in comics nowadays.
maybe because the medium has been a cynical corporate sleaze fest since comic books first got popular.
comics weren't always a multi-billion dollar industry.
>pop culture
>because it became popular.
Yeah. I wanna say the sweet spot was just before the comic boom of the 90s. Widespread enough that you could pay for skilled writers and artists, but niche enough that they didn't have to have corporate watching over the shoulder. Then of course once comics became big money, you wouldn't see many guys given so much latitude over a franchise like Claremont was. Characters started getting more attention-grabbing, readers had to have shocking events, Superman "died" to drive sales, ect.
i guess i agree for what its worth. but i suppose people are always going to favor what they grew up with. comics have always been kind of stupid and juvenile.
They have, but the most beloved runs of pretty much any comic out there would be when the stories and characters were allowed to mature. Wally succeeding Barry as the Flash was a very grounded phase of storytelling, the X-men becoming more involved with interpersonal character drama, Spider-Man always shined the most when it was about being a superhero ON TOP of adult worries like work, rent, family and love. Even goofy, lighthearted books like JLI aren't remembered for being childish, JLI is remembered for its wit, and that came from a deeper knowledge of the characters as an ensemble cast.
enjoy them while you can, kid.
Ayyo this homie finna like comics n sheit on a comics board, get his ass!
What's wrong with that?
>No one except malicious sociopaths like that shit.
Yeah because you wanting to see nothing but good and just Superman clones means you're a good person. Real ironic considering you instantly start talking down to anyone with a different opinion than you. You're in fact the sociopath, dipshit.
>Yeah because you wanting to see nothing but good and just Superman clones means you're a good person
Projection. I don't want Superman clones. Why would I? We already have Superman.
All of the reasons I like Mark from Invincible involve him being different from Superman. Apply that logic to every Superman "clone" your pea-brain can drum up and you'll be just a little bit less moronic the next time this convo comes up.
You need to take your meds.
Pretty much this
Besides, even before Homelander and Omniman, and plenty after them, have done the "Evil Superman" bit before. Even Superman has done it numerous times. If people barely understand the appeal of Superman in the modern day, then how is a morally grey or evil analysis of the character meant to add anything to the wider conversation?
That is not all the Romans did though so your argument doesn't hold up. They weren't armoured versions of LeVar Burton campaigning to fix their neighbour's literacy, they were conquerors who didn't want moronic subjects.
>That is not all the Romans did
Don't sit there and act like I don't know about Boudica. I'm not saying they were good guys, just describing a long arc that you can trace throughout history.
America is a child of empire, just like Bongland, just like Frogland, etc etc etc. We learned cruel lessons about power that can only be felt through failure and defeat, but we became all the stronger for it.
Basically, the ideal man is god. Actual Christian god, Jesus, not the gods like Zeus that rapes all women in his path.
Edge superman clones are just there because you want to tell a superman story but want yours to be DIFFERENT and UNIQUE everyone knows this so when they see another one of "those" character you just know what's coming. Eventually the novelty of cape drinking baby blood to get his dick hard wears off and people move on to the next thing. To make your dark Super actually meaningful you have to move on from the edge at some point.
Based and truth pilled.
Be honest anon, talking down to people is the premise of this thread if you can't take it just leave or except that you don't like being spoken to the way you speak to others and think about that.
The show is ending, so I guess Death battle generals don't have a "point" anymore they still pop up from time to time.
What show was it?
I love the bird pic.
>believing it helps you be that person, even if only just through small acts of kindness and support for your fellow Humans.
Respectfully anon:
Most Superman fans I've seen on Cinemaphile are weirdly the opposite of this. Or maybe it's not so weird. Whatever the case, most Superman fans I've seen here are kinda the opposite of modern Superman. Petty, callous, spiteful, cantankerous and especially irascible. Sometimes it's a natural reaction to being provoked, sometimes it's seeing them behave that way towards people who haven't even slighted them. I'm not talking about anyone in particular in this thread mind you. Just a general observation over time.
>most
I'm sorry I need to correct myself here and say more than a few. It's not all that uncommon. How many fans are or aren't that way as a percentage would be me guessing just based on what I've seen which may not be representative.
>Most Superman fans I've seen on Cinemaphile are weirdly the opposite of this
Wait...so just to be clear...you're saying that all of the Superman fans you've met ON Cinemaphile act like people who hang out ON Cinemaphile?!
Stop the fricking presses. Google "Self-selection bias."
Was well aware of that fact which is why I made it clear that this was an experience with the fans on Cinemaphile. Sorry if I didn't make it more clear that this wasn't a statement about the fans of Superman in general, but the fans on Cinemaphile.
That said, however not all fans on Cinemaphile are like this. Moreover the point was the odd juxtaposition of fans of a beacon of hope acting like - Well, the opposite.
I don't speak for everyone, but yes, this is what Superman is for me. Goodness for the sake of good with whatever you can.
Some people unfortunately make the super more important than the man, that's what gets you Homelander and Omniman.
Put the man before the super and you get All Might.
Too bad MHA sucks and has a shit MC.
After hearing all the hype about All Might, he turned out to be extremely disappointing.
You are partly right, but in your fanaticism you ended up being a pretentious moron who said something stupid.
>But a powerful person doing good things for the sake of doing good? That's unique. We don't see that in nature.
I believe it's actually the core of the idea of the philosophical ubermensch, expounded upon to a degree of physical realization. You have the ideal of a perfect man with absolute power restrained by his own code.
The superhumans that fall to the abuse of this power are failed ubermensch, because with all their power they utilize it in the name of nihilism and often narcissism. It is, in many ways, the boundary between hero and villain.
I mean Captain America is basically the embodiment of the Nazi’s idea of a perfect man, and in being a perfect man, he rejects hate
>he rejects hate
>tries to destroy the xmen and shuns spiderman constantly because their outsiders and secretive
Shhhh they will just cover their ears and cry "Autism" if you tell it like it is.
>But a powerful person doing good things for the sake of doing good? That's unique. We don't see that in nature
We actually do.
T. Watched animal documentaries.
Any example of "good things for the sake of good" you can claim to see in the Animal Kingdom is just in-group behavior that explicitly serves to benefit the animal you think is "good."
But hey, if you want to post some examples...
Frick. That hit home.
This is correct. “Powerful man is evil” isn’t unique. It’s expected.
I feel like this is a jaded take. If I had Superman's power, I would also just do good. It's because I genuinely want to. I don't think power would change who I am, it would just empower me to be even better. And I doubt I'm even close to the only person who feels this way.
If "I" had power "I" wouldn't be corrupt!
>I feel like this is a jaded take
It's a realistic take. The world wouldn't be the way it is right now if history was full of selfish and sadistic people.
>If I had Superman's power, I would also just do good. It's because I genuinely want to. I don't think power would change who I am, it would just empower me to be even better
That might just be true, but you need to understand how arrogant it is for you to say that without actually having power. It's easy to say you'll never sell out when you'll never have a chance to buy in. People love that phrase "Power corrupts!" but power only ever reveals peoples true nature. If a person has a selfless nature, they'll use their power to achieve selfless goals. If a person has a selfish nature, they'll use power to achieve selfish goals. Power tends to attract people that want power and people that want power usually fall into the latter category.
>People love that phrase "Power corrupts!" but power only ever reveals peoples true nature. If a person has a selfless nature, they'll use their power to achieve selfless goals.
That's just reality, and Superman in the end isn't realistic.
Look at every person with power in the real world, and look at how they behave. “Power corrupts” is generally a safe bet.
Tdlr.
Powers don't make men do good. Only us. Plus Batman > Superman. The power of human potential and will > Mary Sue powers and Christian flowery language.
He will never relevant than Son Goku. It's time to except this.
>morally gray
what
both Omniman and Homelander are very clearly fricking evil
>Omniman...
>...very clearly fricking evil
You would have fought the Romans for trying to teach you to read, wouldn't you
Freedom for Area 11!
God I love how over the top that show was
I would if they were dicks about it.
You would have happily been a slave as long as you had a stale loaf of bread a day and a "good boy" from time to time.
My ancestors were conquered by the Romans and leveraged their ruins into a world-spanning empire.
Empire will always come. If you can't fight it off, that just means you were weak.
bitch, I'm already a slave and I get no bread and no pets!
And don't you forget it, boyo.
He was specially in the comic.
once the symbol set has taken root in the mind, it can't be undone. You are denying yourself a unique opportunity to study the mind unfiltered by alpha-numeric symbols.
History has time and time again shown that a written cultural tradition is more efficient and durable than a linguistic cultural tradition. How many times does Earth need to teach you this lesson, old man?
So something thats been around for 2000 years is more durable than something that has been around for 10,000 years?
By "around" you mean "isolated to ghettos while suffering countless indignities and genocides by cultures more able to adapt and proliferate"?
Specify what culture you're bullshitting about so I can give more specific insults.
you traded the sky for the ceiling.
white boy out of his mind.
>you traded the sky for the ceiling.
Is it ironic or just hypocritical that all of the cultures you're too cowardly to cite have next to zero astronomical knowledge, let alone a successful space program like we do in this, our overwhelmingly successful written cultural tradition.
You're just a fricking contrarian. Be silent.
>next to zero astronomical knowledge,
they knew the passing of the day and night, the lunar cycles, the seasons. They knew eclipses and constellations.
Your own science tells you that the void between the stars in insurmountable, that you can not travel faster than the speed of light and you will never settle other worlds around other stars. You are all having contests to see who can hold his breath the longest in space.
>Your own science tells you that the void between the stars in insurmountable, that you can not travel faster than the speed of light and you will never settle other worlds around other stars.
And the cultures you're still too cowardly to specifically cite didn't :3
You're not making the point you think you're making.
i'm taking the bait because i'm bored.
I don't think you can handle the power you have. I think in another 3000 years, you'll have destroyed yourselves and we will all have returned to the old ways, or you will wish you had.
Didn't Omniman end up turning good?
yah though he's still never allowed on earth again
Why are crossboarders so obsessed with Superman? Are they really still butthurt about Death Battle?
I have never once seen an actual Superman fan make one of these threads or try to pick a vs battle. It's always someone else coming in going
>UG WHY ARE SUPERMAN FANS SO.....
When they're the ones looking for shit.
Actual Superman fans just make comfy threads to talk about Superman that just end up getting derailed by haters. 🙁
Cinemaphile isn't a good place to talk about that.
>Cinemaphile, the most cynical and nihilist place on the internet is incapable of saving genuine discussions about the most optimistic and genuine character in western fiction
This would be funny if the rest of the internet wasn't also becoming as jaded as here.
Not really? I'd argue this is the only place where it's bad. Discussions are more positive and well rounded elsewhere. I'd say people online today defend Superman alot more than in the past.
>Discussions are more positive and well rounded elsewhere.
Yeah, but there's still a lot of places where it's bad. We joke and say "you have to go back" but reddit is a shithole that open CP longer than Cinemaphile did.
There will always be bad places. Just focus on the positive instead.
You're right, anon. I'm sorry. It's just really though sometimes.
Thanks for being nice.
Redditors
Takes being one to know one....
>no u
you are a pathetic loser
You fell for some low quality bait anon.
What happened to death battles? I kept them filtered due to anime op pics
Rent free
>cyberbullying
Not very Piskor of you, hombre. I'm gonna have a panic attack and male suicide
You'll be crying once the money you're using to pay off jannies runs out, gay
Oh god, it's attacking my panic
Homelander is comically evil, dipshit. He straight up murders children.
All Superman hate is just unresolved Daddy issues.
>people like Morally grey versions like Omniman and Homelandsr more?
They don't. Most people prefer based Superman.
>Morally grey
>Homelandsr
Even in the comic where like 99% of the frick up shit he did was unintentional or a ploy by his clone, he still sexually assaulted women.
>Homelander
>morally grey
It's amazing how succesful Amazon was at turning The Boys into what it was supposed to be against in the first place.
Superman is played straight and the other two are borderline parodies, calling them subversive is a compliment.
but the real reason I'm mad is because the homosexuals that like evil superman don't get this because they're not steeped in comic books. they actually think the omnilanders are meant to be sincere characters instead of the creators being a pedantic buttholes about old comic book drama or a Alan Moore.
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Eat shit and die, banana man
Gray morality? The rapist, murderer, with discourse of species superiority is gray morality?
And that's speaking of Homelander, Nolan is the same only removing the rapist part, and then he lost his "superior race" for fricking an insect
Go back to the sewer you came from anon, no one wants you here
>Why are Superman fans so mad that people like Morally grey versions like Omniman and Homelandsr more?
I haven't found any Superman fan getting at either.
Where's your proof of this?
I’m fully convinced that your the same anon who has made half the board filled with your moronic bait
I'm not mad I get it, what I find funny though is the idiots that feed into the Krikman fire of Mark could beat Superman. Obviously, he can't Mark almost died in the sun. You know that thing that gives Superman his powers. Like you shouldn't give it a second thought but people get so mad and think they can change his mind about it. Same case with Goku fans if they like the character more you’ll never change there minds.
Superman is generally an invincible android that can't even be fought without special rocks or reality-warping, programmed for Absolute Altruism.
The absolute altruism gets tiring. Even MCU Captain America had his limits of tolerating shit.
Snyder did not improve him much by programming him for Autism. He turned him into Mr. Neutron from Monty Python only more pathetic.
>Superman is generally an invincible android that can't even be fought without special rocks or reality-warping, programmed for Absolute Altruism.
hasnt been true since the silver age, post-crisis superman had his powers greatly toned down and introduced lots of enemies who are his equal if not stronger like mongul and darkseid
even silver age superman painted him more as a scientist who used his intellect to come up with creative solutions by way of his powers, because magic or kryptonite made direct confrontation impractical
>The absolute altruism gets tiring. Even MCU Captain America had his limits of tolerating shit.
MCU captain america is perfectly altruistic, it gets tested but he never breaks and its what makes him endearing
Because they're jealous of their success.
Post more pictures like that one, anon. Is very cool.
Because you couldn't properly tackle a modern Superman without addressing how corporations have corrupted and flanderized his image, how less nations are open to being assimilated under American values or culture, how there exist those who will choose to reject help
The Superman we know and love could only exist through pre-war Hays-era optimism, that mindset died with the war
Homelander was tortured into being a villain and the people who should had reached out to him instead spat in his eye. Granted, he never really had the metal fortitude to wield all the powers he does, but his story is basically "if your environment teaches you to be le bad, you will more likely than not be le bad."
That's not gray at all.
Well generally speaking, I think you're are an butthole and need to frick off.
They don't
you're just a Black person
People don't like Homelander. Well, okay maybe some orange jesus zealots like Homelander but all the creatives have essentially admitted they don't view him as a hero or like the character much, if at all.
Genre fans who liked Invincible's first season have turned from Nolan more than Mark, and they have also lost more interest in the show than not. Casual fans were never interested in Nolan other than porn fetishes into daddy figures and DILFs, most of whom prefer to depict Nolan as the bottom to The Immortal.
Wake me up when an immaculate, never open CGC rated 10 Invincible #1 or The Boys #1 sells for 10% of what an 8.5 rated Action Comics #1 just sold for.
>Wake me up when an immaculate, never open CGC rated 10 Invincible #1 or The Boys #1 sells for 10% of what an 8.5 rated Action Comics #1 just sold for.
>speculator.
Please go have a nice day.
>Omniman
>Homelander
>morally grey
Superman has done far more for Metropolis than Bats for Gotham. The fact you can count his rogues' gallery on your fingers is testament to the fact your average supes villain is a one-story deal, and the reason why he doesn't assign himself judge/jury/executioner is because he's literally part of the Metropolis police force.
He's the embodiment of the police acting 'exactly' as their mission statement states, no more, no less. It's up to the guys above him to make the right all, which is its own can of worms.
Why exactly would it be immoral to taka away his powers, though? Superman was being a moron here.
From what I remember In the animated version they imply he permanently disabled his powers there.
>makse the edgelord deconstructor look like Garth Ennis
based
Anti-superhero autists are BY FAR the worst aspect of modern fandoms.
Superman is a 70 year old dinosaur
These guys are like 5 years old tops. They're also prone to ultraviolence which modern media has normalized. People visiting Roman coliseums were into blood sports centuries ago
Will this currently established order also fall? time will tell
The Romans became heavily pacified after adopting Catholicism and at the end WILLINGLY GAVE UP THEIR REMAINNG TERRITORY to the Visigoths
Superman is one of the few popular superheroes that didn't need a tragedy to spur him into heroics, he did it out of a sense of duty and gratitude for the human race.
Just watch solo outings like one off movies or a series with an actual end. Why do you NEED to read comicbooks? Just stay away from that dumpsterfire.
man he looks really stupid without his underwear
the only good post
New thread?
Don't give OPs any ideas.
Has Supes ever beaten WordGirl? I don’t think so.
Checkmate, Superman-fans
I like Superman comics, The Boys, and Invincible.
Because Superman is fricking boring. Not to mention an open cuck.
I mean, just look at this shit. The illegal immigrant lets his American BULL do whatever the frick he wants to Lois and there's not a damn thing farmboy can do to stop it.
And he still wants to be with her despite knowing where her privates have been? I mean, for Christ's sake, the dude has super vision and senses, and he still wants THIS!?
People don't though
The places you go on the internet aren't reality.
Even Snyder's failed version of Superman is more popular than all the edgy Supermen put together.
The real Superman is a cultural touchstone loved by tens or hundreds of millions of people. It is influential in ways that the knockoffs can never be, from Seinfeld to Iron Giant to My Hero Academia and Bollywood.
Is that really a display of anger? I don't care about Invincible and honestly I don't understand it's draw, but I like Superman and Homelander but that's totally what would happen if they met.
They're not morally gray, they're evil. Superman isn't evil.
Isn't that just what would happen if all three characters were written with respect and actually met?
I pray you will one day devolve into harrassing Kirkman or Seth Rogan/Anthony Starr/whoever the frick with your homolust for them and end up like that one schizo Bjork fanboy, you subhuman fricking Black person.
Maybe then we will be free of your worthless existence and these insipid spammed threads.
Hope mods who do nothing about you drown in the rivers of literal shit as well.
>nonsensical response
>m-muh projecting
So I've hit a nerve. I hope you get cancer, you obnoxious douchebag.
seething
>Conservative fantasy shit as a response to on topic discussion
If a recent president diddled his daughter, you know it would be the one who walks in on changing teens and told stern she was his type, the one who it's not slander to call a rapist and who has somewhere between 25 and 40 rape allegations against him
Get a grip, you're in a cult
>The economy
We have 3.8 percent unemployment. The problem with the economy is corporate greed, and that's a chain of failure whose modern incarnation starts with Reagan and accelerated under Trump
Superman would disapprove of what you stand for. Lies, injustice, and the dark, real American way of oppression and theft
R*ddit is that way
Why do people keep replying to obvious bait Threads like this?
Because the other threads offer worse discuss than even this.
They don't like the fact that "copies" are more popular than their fav.
Not knowing that the character's archetype of a superh human always existed and the Superman we know now has little to do with the original version of it and many of his current traits are copies from other characters.
tl;dr: Spergs being enraged for sperg reasons.
What if the real reason Superman always wins is cause he's got a huge dick?
I just like watching Supermen beat the shit out of each other.