Because government uses one as an excuse not to spend on the other, and they can't fudge the numbers on space projects and pocket the difference like they can with poor housing. >maaaaaaaarrrs?!? But what about all these poor nig-...I mean, black people? They need our HeEeEelp >1 trillion on poor people gibs! *gives 1 billion, pockets the rest for child abduction and drugs*
Nobody ever notices or cares about the difference.
Something something landlords something something money value, you could house everyone in already existing properties, you wouldn't even have to build some shitload more, only make them livable to some standard
Harvesting gutter oil and stealing people's pets to blowtorch alive in the street before cooking it in said gutter oil
Also "virgin boy eggs"
Also shitty con artist construction that collapses
>Virgin boy eggs are a traditional dish of Dongyang, Zhejiang, China in which eggs are boiled in the urine of young boys, preferably under the age of ten.
>dw bro the yellows beat whites in IQ by an avg 10 or so points and their population is doing quite well
Weak. WEAK ASS bait. only thing good yellow does is shapeshift genders, steal peoples ideas when they arent stealing their pets, cheat, walk into to traffic while texting, just real high iq shit
>yellows beat whites in IQ by an avg 10 or so points
The "smart" Asian countries - Japan and China - lie routinely on all their stats to make themselves look good on the world stage. China lies about IQ, education, scientific discoveries, etc., and Japan lies through its teeth about crime stats.
>dw bro the yellows beat whites in IQ by an avg 10 or so points and their population is doing quite well.
lol, east Asia's populations are crashing. China and South Korea are making Japan's birthrate look high. The eastern century isn't going to happen. The world order will remain controlled by the the West even after the looming global economic debt bubble implosion. America and Europe will come out of it looking more like Brazil but they'll be the kings of the shitheap for the next 1,000 years. As bad as it will be here it is going to be worse everywhere else. Human technologic progress is going to stagnate under the burden of the brown and black hordes. An average IQ that is too low is the great filter. The high IQ people simply cannot overcome the burden of the idiots.
>why aint whitey gibs me dat insteada goin to da moon?
Billions of subhuman shitskins that expect 'whitey' to coddle them their entire lives.
The world would be a better place if every single non-White beast (and every White race traitor collaborator) was exterminated.
This is the most upsetting part to me. With AI and quantum computing we're approaching a technological singularity, enough that true immortality or at least the cure for aging could be discovered in our lifetimes. Which means that right now there's a higher than 0% chance you will never die. Yet you most likely will anyways, because all our resources are being dedicated to the "needy" I.E. melanin enriched partially evolved cave people instead of into tech progress. In the grand tapestry of the universe, the human species won't be anything more than a lesson on improperly tuned social evolution.
>With AI and quantum computing we're approaching a technological singularity, enough that true immortality or at least the cure for aging could be discovered in our lifetimes
we're not even close to that lol
AI isn't even real AI it's word/image arranging programs lol
They still don't even understand how to "restart consciousness" after death, meaning they have zero conception of where consciousness even resides, still, meaning they can not transfer the living current consciousness that is "you from your perspective" anywhere
Any "immortality" like that would just be some copy of you, you yourself will still be dead, you're not going to "wake up" in a computer, "he" will
Thats the problem with a lot of you midwit goombas who try to think up this high, you think that because the particles are different it isn't you anymore. I would happily cut my own throat and descend into the void if it means my stream of consciousness remains eternal in one form or another.
>you think that because the particles are different it isn't you anymore
But it literally is not "you" in this current iteration of "your life"
"You" will not experience it, only some other "you"
It's as good/relevant to "you" as the equally practical thought some other version of you in some alternate timeline/reality being king of earth would be >I would happily cut my own throat and descend into the void if it means my stream of consciousness remains eternal in one form or another.
And you get that, and I agree, but it's a slightly different discussion than whether or not a copy is you from your current perspective or not
It’s exactly the same as empire in foundation. That anon talks a big game but when it came down to it he wouldn’t slit his throat he’d realize right away it’s a different person. It’s passing down a legacy, which is great. But we already have that, it’s called children.
It’s exactly the same as empire in foundation. That anon talks a big game but when it came down to it he wouldn’t slit his throat he’d realize right away it’s a different person. It’s passing down a legacy, which is great. But we already have that, it’s called children.
It doesn't matter that "its not me" you bu. Ant brained Black folk, its still my consciousness. It doesn't matter that I'm not going to live "that persons" life, they're still carrying on my agenda and beliefs and evolving them exactly how I would have anyways. You can't comprehend your existence outside your own skulls so you'd sacrifice your identity obtaining godhood for a few extra years of mortality just "being you". And thats why you'll be nothing more than particles on my cosmic reality spanning ass, and being the idiots you are, you'll believe you're in heaven.
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>its still my consciousness
Yeah, sure, but as I said, that's still an entirely different argument to the one that was being had >You can't comprehend your existence outside your own skulls so you'd sacrifice your identity obtaining godhood for a few extra years of mortality just "being you". And thats why you'll be nothing more than particles on my cosmic reality spanning ass, and being the idiots you are, you'll believe you're in heaven.
And now you're just strawmanning based on frick all, so take the (You) and shut up.
You are right but that anon is speaking about if/when we get true AI. When that happens all bets are off. So if we were close to that(we aren’t) he’d be right, anything is possible or even likely.
>if we were close to that(we aren’t) he’d be right, anything is possible or even likely.
No, we aren't, you're right, but there still may be some natural plateau tech advancement itself could realistically achieve, where you simply can not make any further significant progress no matter how extensive your knowledgebase or how creative you are or how much time you give it
My bet would be it's applicable to something like FTL, there simply may be no way to ever "advance" to exceeding lightspeed no matter what
There may be glass ceilings we can't even conceive of all over the place
Even quantum computers wouldn't be able to compute their way past some natural tech advancement plateau, as there would be no available answers to the problem
Ya that’s why I said possible or likely, not guranteed. There’s no way to know. Personally I think we are going to hit multiple different walls in tech soon trying to get AI. And realize how far away we actually are, and wonder for 100s of years if it’s even possible. There are people still alive that were alive when computers were invented. We haven’t even begun hitting all the tech walls that are bound to happen. Everyone just assumes we will keep exponential growth but that’s not how it works. You can tell how ungrounded everyone’s predictions are because it’s always “well with future tech, assuming we keep advancing at x rate, we should have AI by this time”. That’s a lot of assuming, when we can already see walls coming at us fast like the end of die shrinks.
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Especially since even the best of scifi writers always have to something something their way past or insert some element we found somewhere else that doesn't exist to us yet to get around a lot of problems
Stop scapegoating non-whites all the time. Most people are stupid cowards regardless of skin color, and they bow down to monkey kings that rule out societies and suck up all our wealth.
Unironically this, taking care of Black folk and "social injustices" is holding us back from exploring the universe.
In 1969 they got men on the moon. It's 2023 and we have not done anything as spectacular as that since then.
Imagine the possibilities today with modern technology, we would've explored mars already if it wasn't for Black folk being poor and criminals.
uplift who? a tiny number of land owners? stifling the development of the free market by undercutting everyone else? and you have the audacity to call me dumb, lol. holy shit you must be 80 IQ on a good day
7 months ago
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>i was called out so im going to invent something completely different so i can cling to my false sense of superiority
oh, btw 'superiority' means you think you're better than you are
7 months ago
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Very few people owned slaves
Virtually no wealth in any quantity held by any individuals today can be attributed to or linked to slavery in a substantial way.
It’s literally nonsense dangled in front of idiots by race b8rs
7 months ago
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A lot of people owned slaves in the USA, but most of that wealth transitioned to carpet baggers, etc.
7 months ago
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No they didn’t a tiny percentage of very wealthy southern plantation owners had slaves
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The amount on plantations was massive, though, in the thousands. You're not wrong, but the amount of wealth suddenly "discovered" in 1865 can't be overestimated. I say that as a southerner.
Just give it about 12 more years. It was 66 years between the Wright Flyer and the Moon Landing, we are do for something spectacular in the next decade.
The great filter is climate collapse causing multiple simultaneous crop failures and eventually turning breadbaskets into sterile badlands
The entire global economy will collapse and we will regress to the stone age, if we survive at all.
he said collapse, not change, change is a israeli moneygrab psyop, collapse might actually eventually occur due to none of the reasons they tout, because the real reasons cost money to fix rather than make them more money via government enforced grift
Note that collapse just means a collapse of its ability to sustain this much if any life depending on how it all goes
>the real reasons cost money to fix rather than make them more money via government enforced grift
There may be things about it we can't do shit about because some elements aren't even anything we can control, they're natural cycles of the planet over longer timescales than we can conceptualize realistically, most people can't think beyond their own lifetimes
you could build space habitats with contemporary technology. then you just make a few thousand of those and it doesn't matter that a few of them blow up now and then, they can always be renewed. even if earth goes kaput, it's not a great filter. great filter is more something like, it simply being impossible to get creatures intelligent enough to go into space also willing to cooperate towards that goal. ie., alarmingly close to our current problem.
though I think the filter is that nothing can even get to our current position
>great filter is more something like, it simply being impossible to get creatures intelligent enough to go into space also willing to cooperate towards that goal. ie., alarmingly close to our current problem.
Great filter was a different discussion to the one I sort of budged my way into there I thought, but you're correct >I think the filter is that nothing can even get to our current position
For us, probably, we are way out in the boonies of our own galaxy, and with the odds against sapient life capable of building shit and getting off a planet, at best there might be 1-3 species per galaxy on average, assuming anything else does exist
a civilization stuck in space habitats won't have enough energy to maintain an existence on space habitats >inb4 technology will le improve efficiency
It won't, but if it did, improved efficiency has no correlation with sustainability and usually enforces unsustainable behavior. look up Jevons' paradox
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>improved efficiency has no correlation with sustainability and usually enforces unsustainable behavior.
We can sure as shit pump out a new iphone every other year and burn through all the "rare earth minerals" we can easily get to like shekel hungry israelites
Though arguably things would improve a little bit from cellphones becoming rarer
7 months ago
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What you're talking about is how making something cheaper makes people consume more of it, big surprise, which is not a problem unless the energy source is non-renewable, which the sun is.
7 months ago
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Rare-earth minerals for solar panels and batteries aren't though
Good luck maintaining high tech industries as a bunch of holdout refuges in space and ground shelters, seriously. That shit won't work. Maintaining a system simultaneously so complex and fragile is not feasible. >but you can't prove it isn't!!
To be honest all techno-hopium only ever made sense from a position of blind faith, in humanity of all things. It's incredible how few generations it really took to plunge earth into an irrecoverable disaster
7 months ago
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>rare earth metals
Despite the spooky name they aren’t really that rare just more rare than shit like copper and iron
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The places we can mine for them without shitting everything up is limited, and there is a finite amount, and tech currently isn't at the point where they can be easily if at all replaced, otherwise we'd use other shit
Also recycling of them is inefficient and you can never get 100% back out of them
>humans can't really do it
The oil, nope, coal and metal. yes, we did a hell of a lot with human labor in previous ages and there's FAR more humans living at once than ever before, at least for a bit, so backbreaking manual tunneling and mining could and would definitely happen
>just drain the flooded mines with buckets of water bro
cringe
7 months ago
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The water table varies wildly but we wouldn't know how to find those places anyway or probably even to look for them since again, stupid, so I guess you win, well done
Almost all science fiction is absolute garbage when it comes to scale
Shit like Star Wars and dune and Star Trek feel smaller than real current governments abs military organizations here on earth
The only things that have coke close to correct are the expanse, 40k and the book foundation (not the show)
A single civilization just is in its own solar system spread out among the moons, planet's asteroids etc would have probably 100+ billion people maybe more, if you are talking about a galaxy spanning civilization like in Star Wars the size of the fleets and militaries would be beyond our comprehension
Trillions of soldiers billions or ships. Armies of beurocrats and quantum computers just to keep track of it all. The loss of billions would be a rounding error.
Entire wars on the scale of ww2 would be no more of a story to people in a kardishev 4 than of local crime in Africa is to us now.
Small spats between systems would be gargantuan conflicts killing billions or people and would be a footnote to a kardishev 4
Read Heinlein. Many of his stories are about an overpopulated and complicated Earth - people escape to live as self sufficient colonists as far away from that crap as possible.
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is very accessible and related to this thread, would definitely recommend.
If you want a shorter and simpler story, Farmer in the Sky is suitable too.
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is very accessible and related to this thread, would definitely recommend.
If you want a shorter and simpler story, Farmer in the Sky is suitable too.
Time Enough For Love is his best and has a number of stories in it, including the protagonist homesteading on an alien planet, later in his extremely long life.
This protagonist also plays grabass with his teenage fem clones. it's a pretty cool book and probably the most comprehensive example of heinlein's style.
Methuselah's Children is the precursor novelette and takes almost no time to put away if you want a taste. it's also for a younger audience so no racy shit in that one.
Several do, but they're a part of the same long running series and you would need to read at least two books to get to it. The quickest path to it is Methuselah's Children -> Time Enough for Love. Beyond that, though, and you would need to read some supplementary material first.
Several do, but they're a part of the same long running series and you would need to read at least two books to get to it. The quickest path to it is Methuselah's Children -> Time Enough for Love. Beyond that, though, and you would need to read some supplementary material first.
How good is the incest ? Worth it?
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I genuinely enjoy Heinlein, and read several books before even realizing he wrote about incest.
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How good is the incest ? Worth it?
Not really? I don't jerk to incest. He's probably the largest name in Sci-Fi to have done incest (sibling, twin, father-daughter, mother-son, ambiguous other distant relationships). But all the incest is part of the same book series, and you have to read quite a bit to get to it. Also it's not very pornographic except a couple of passages.
If you want to read great science fiction that contains taboo subjects, including but not limited to incest, read Heinlein. If you're looking for pornographic incest material, look elsewhere.
The Culture novels which describe exactly that in the case of the Culture-Idiran war.
https://i.imgur.com/mRktOPM.jpg
Why are there no movies about type 4 civilisations?
The Iain M. Banks argument is that any civilisation large enough to achieve Type III has started the countdown to "subliming" if they don't wipe themselves out first with "hyper-grid intrusion" ("gridfire"), a sort of space WMD.
https://theculture.fandom.com/wiki/The_Sublimed
The most egregious example of this is Star Wars. You can maybe forgive the originals for being goofy space fantasy from the 70s, so they had technical limitations on being able to show thousands of ships. But prequel stuff is unfodgivable, especially AotC. The ENTIRE Grand Army of the Republic is 3 million clones. Million, with an M. Because they got stuck between a rock and a hard place when George decided that the Clone Wars were wars between clones and droids. If you're making clones, they're still people. Having an army of 40 billion soldiers pop out of nowhere is going to cause a stir, even on a galactic scale. So they had to go with a lower number, but they ended up with an army that's supposed to fight a galactic war but is outnumbered by the current Vietnamese military.
>the pop density should have more like 15 quadrillion
Coruscant is levels built on levels stretching down to the bedrock, most of the lower levels are either empty or sparsely populated
It's compressing onto itself and collapsing in many places from the weight of everything built above it
At least in the old EU
That’s fine doesn’t change that the lower anarchy levels coroscaunt would easily house entire nations ruled by warlords with armies in the millions if not billions
>be a 10,000 year old galactic republic empire with literal space wizards, magic tech and sentient AI robots
>Yet almost every planet shown in all media is wilderness to backwater undeveloped shithole >even the cartoons rarely show a developed planet >largest battle ever shown in revenge of the sith isn’t much larger than naval engagements in ww2 here in earth >most battles are 1-3 Star destroyed 100 fighters and random rebel craft fleeing
Idk if they are really that unoriginal or what. Planetary defense forces alien would have at least thousands of capital ships
>Shit like Star Wars and dune and Star Trek feel smaller than real current governments abs military organizations here on earth
those are called space operas, it's fantasy in space, you could change setting to small kingdom and nothing would change
so duh
Manipulation of volcanoes and weather seems like a dumb stipulation to have for type 1. There are probably type 2 or 3 civs who don't control the natural disasters of their home planet.
Maybe I'm moronic but to me a Dyson sphere seems more feasible than preventing tectonic shifts or manipulating the very core of the planet to stop volcanoes from erupting.
>able to harness ALL the energy of their parent star by enclosing it in some dyson sphere or some shit
I think it should be "able to harvest all THEIR energy from their parent star", seems fairer
Why the frick would you even need 100% of it, what even for
You could probably expand galactically and not need 100% of the energy output of one star
A kardishev 1 would likely already be multi-system if it was able to exploit an entire planet, a type 2 would already be near galactic if it could build and use the energy of Dyson spheres
A type 3 is almost beyond our ability to understand it, basically a civilization so big it fully exploits an entire galaxy. Such a civilization would be as alien to us as we are to insects
>a type 2 would already be near galactic if it could build and use the energy of Dyson spheres
Yes, the amount of material needed to even build a dyson sphere to surround a star doesn't even exist in this system in total
But still the energy output is so enormous you wouldn't need to build one just to power this system even if we colonized every planet and had artificial stations everywhere
It's a huge unnecessary expenditure
"All the energy" can include making a Matrioshka Brain, which is a computer of such power you could upload trillion of people as programs and keep them alive that way for many billions of years.
Type 2 is being able to capture all of the star's energy entirely and utilize it, again, for what, I have no idea, since the sun puts out so much fricking energy it's inconceivable you could even actually use a 100th of it
Type 1 takes the power of the star that lands on the planet itself.
Type 2 meanwhile turns the star into a fusion reactor for their 100 million mile diamater dyson sphere, ulitiizing the entire energy output of the star.
Type 1 takes the power of the star that lands on the planet itself.
Type 2 meanwhile turns the star into a fusion reactor for their 100 million mile diamater dyson sphere, ulitiizing the entire energy output of the star.
> when it was written it was not a metaphor, it was meant to be the reality. >Bronze age literal who near eastern cultures said the earth is flat because nothing else contradicted it until the iron age were wrong
How are you able to post here given how obviously moronic you are?
>manga villain
I thought it was daft punk from the thumbnail. The fact that you even know "manga villains" dress like that and the fact you said manga instead of anime is a dead giveaway you're the biggest weeb in the thread.
You just go around the belts, it's not like we can't tell where the worst radiation like that is
The real problem atm is that there's generally so much radiation in space on average +ridiculous lengths of travel time even if we could achieve lightspeed
Not necessarily, just needs at least several decades if not longer in materials advancement
That is assuming tech progress doesn't eventually hit some natural plateau where you can't advance any further no matter how creative you get
Not necessarily true a giant civ would need insane amounts of energy not sure how else they’d get it
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>a type 2 would already be near galactic if it could build and use the energy of Dyson spheres
Yes, the amount of material needed to even build a dyson sphere to surround a star doesn't even exist in this system in total
But still the energy output is so enormous you wouldn't need to build one just to power this system even if we colonized every planet and had artificial stations everywhere
It's a huge unnecessary expenditure
, we could never use the entire output of the star anyway, you could build a thin ring and have all the system's energy needs covered with tons of excess
The star is vastly larger than all other matter in the system combined by multiples
Jupiter alone is larger than we can realistically conceive of already and it's fricking dwarfed by our parent star
>Jupiter alone is larger than we can realistically conceive of already and it's fricking dwarfed by our parent star
probably can if you made it's thickness on the atomic scale
even better, in theory you could just create a modular system and start with a single panel, then convert energy into mass to build the rest of the panels.
id say the bigger problem is that any one of a million tiny things could frick up and lead to a spiral of disasters. one nutter woman in space could destroy the entire ship
Radiation isn't very dangerous. A person could pass right through the Van Allen belts with no shielding beyond the hull of an ordinary space ship, and nothing bad would happen to him beyond a modest increase in long-term risk of cancer. Basically, you'd just be shortening your life expectancy by a few years, but who really cares whether you RIP at 70 versus 80?
>A person could pass right through the Van Allen belts with no shielding beyond the hull of an ordinary space ship, and nothing bad would happen to him beyond a modest increase in long-term risk of cancer.
Yes but that's just because you can get through the belts relatively quickly, long term smaller dose radiation from excruciatingly long travel times to get anywhere "significant" is the real b***h
Not even russian astronauts died en masse of cancer/radiation, with all the cut corners we can expect from communists that give zero shits about people's safety. This doesn't mean the radiation is trivial, only that all space programs are bullshit but since they all lie they can't call out each other's lies (eg chinamans clearly staged space stuff or mexican congress alien bodies)
there ought to be a stage in between II and III like a local star cluster or something
going from controlling a single star to an entire galaxy in one step is kind of moronic
like what would the ST Federation be on this scale?
Technically not even a two. Even if they could theoretically “use” all the energy in a single star in terms of just pure energy use equivielbt spread over the whole federation they are still nowhere near that level in start trek
I mean frick in Star Trek humans haven’t even colonized our system besides the moon and a few stations. They used the cheat code of first contact to make humanity for from 1960’s tech to Star Trek 200 years
Possibly the amount of material and the strength needed and just the scale is so far beyond what hat humans can do that it surely might be
But in principal the idea isn’t outside of what we know so physically possible as a concept it might just be impossible for a spieces like ours to build and maintain
More sense to build a swarm of solar collectors around a star and collect as much energy from it as you can than build a true sphere
What I'd like to see is an accurate alien invasion movie. If we get invaded, we're either getting btfo right away or we only "win" barely by being such a pain in the ass the aliens give up and go home.
A species so advanced it had FTL would basically look at us like we look at ants or other "lesser" species
If they were benevolent and observed us to see how we treat lesser species they'd just leave us alone and frick off
The only ones that would want anything to do with us would be the ones that would treat us pretty much like we treat the lesser species
Who said anything about eating, I'm talking about how supposedly sapient and higher evolved beings TREAT them
Killing it and eating it doesn't mean you have to be a c**t to it and force its entire existence to just be living in a cage til it's fat enough to eat
It's a living being some twisted God saw fit to give emotions and thoughts and feelings to, it doesn't have to exist in a hell before it ends as all beings do to get fed to some higher being >b-but nature is cruel
We're supposed to be above nature, that's the excuse everyone keeps using to act like we're not above nature
why do you think aliens who surely lived through an industrial revolution of their own would judge us harshly for... *checks notes* efficiently using animals to feed our civilization
>efficiently using animals
lmao
Yeah they'd efficiently use us like the animals we are the same way
Would you b***h about it
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yes because I'm capable of forming thoughts and concepts like "freedom" and "captivity," unlike a cow
7 months ago
Anonymous
And they're capable of FTL, you lose, you're like a cow to them, stop mooing and get in the cage bessie
7 months ago
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somehow if I think like a vegan, the alien civ will too
7 months ago
Anonymous
>a vegan
Please do go back to my post here
Who said anything about eating, I'm talking about how supposedly sapient and higher evolved beings TREAT them
Killing it and eating it doesn't mean you have to be a c**t to it and force its entire existence to just be living in a cage til it's fat enough to eat
It's a living being some twisted God saw fit to give emotions and thoughts and feelings to, it doesn't have to exist in a hell before it ends as all beings do to get fed to some higher being >b-but nature is cruel
We're supposed to be above nature, that's the excuse everyone keeps using to act like we're not above nature
You can still eat them without being a c**t to them bevcause they didn't evolve opposable thumbs or larger brains, stupid
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That works if you're talking about small scales, but once you have a population like we do and huge industries spring up around feeding all these people it's always gonna be factory farms. The aliens most definitely went through a phase like this before they reached FTL travel, so they're not going to condemn us for doing the same even if they've found a better way. And it's not some condemnation of human nature that we did it to begin with, we are under no obligation to treat animals like they have human rights
7 months ago
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>it's not some condemnation of human nature that we did it to begin with, we are under no obligation to treat animals like they have human rights
No, it's just a condemnation of human nature that we continue to do it with these kinds of excuses, simply because it's "cheaper/more efficient"
That's fricking israeli mental gymnastics to make more shekels
7 months ago
Anonymous
If we start shutting down the cow to grocery store pipeline, billions of people are going to starve
7 months ago
Anonymous
Who said shut it down? Why is it either "it exists exactly like this in perpetuity" or "billions starve"?
7 months ago
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I agree, but I don't know of any plans that would stop it in a reasonable way either
7 months ago
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Nobody has any because the notion that lesser beings used for food should be looked on and treated with empathy is "too expensive", so even that notion gets handwavingly dismissed like you're a vegan or something, shut up gay, humans rule. GOD GRANTED DOMINION b***hES
7 months ago
Anonymous
we're not under any obligation to treat any humans like they have human rights either but we still do
7 months ago
Anonymous
>a species that rose to dominate its planet >a culture/nation if that species rose to dominate all others in its preview and go out to colonize the stars
>I think this species will be pacifist and vegan
Kek, that isn’t how it works
7 months ago
Anonymous
What I'm saying, if they come all this way out here, it's highly unlikely to be for any benevolent reasons, we'd just be getting farmed
We don't "deserve" some benevolent advancement we deny to the species as far below us as the aliens would be above us anyway
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>benevolent advancement we deny to the species as far below us
homie there is no other species on this planet that could stand alongside us. we are the only sapient things on earth. how the frick would we "advance" any other animal?
7 months ago
Anonymous
>we are the only sapient things on earth.
Lol at the least, dolphins, whales, dogs, cats, to varying degrees, all those species can pass a MSR, gorillas, actual apes that aren't a euphemism for blacks like the gorillas, etc, etc
We are not the only sapient or sapient potential species here
Frick advancing them at this point we can't stop simply shitting all over everything like an indian kabaddi team on a curry heavy diet they eat off the damn ground they shit on
They have sapience but evolution/god/take your pick denied them ways to make it useful for anything but fricking and feeding and fighting
Your call whether that existence is superior to "this" without us shitting all over the places they live not really "useful" to us
Who's the animal
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Anonymous
>le who's the animal
reddit tripe. let's see dolphins build rockets with fricking flippers dumbass. don't fricking reply to me with your 3rd grader tier "le so deep" moronation.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>let's see dolphins build rockets with fricking flippers dumbass >They have sapience but evolution/god/take your pick denied them ways to make it useful for anything but fricking and feeding and fighting
Way to miss the headline and pieface yourself there, genius
I'm unfamiliar with reddit, but please do elucidate further on this place you know so much more than me about
7 months ago
Anonymous
Oh yeah? Let's see you dive a thousand feet under the surface with just your widdle human fingies.
7 months ago
Anonymous
nah, we wont do that, because we have hands, and can therefore build boats and submarines. Fish blown the frick out again, I guess. A third time too, once the local chinese fishing fleet comes along with nets, which by the way I doubt your shitty little dolphins can make.
suck my human wiener you porpoise homosexual
7 months ago
Anonymous
Poor lil hand boi, imagine needing technology to take what you want
The problem is you think we're not animals. And who the FRICK said we're supposed to be "above nature"? We're part of nature. I'm sorry we're smarter than fricking cows and won the race. If you feel so bad about it go to the fricking jungle and live there.
>you think we're not animals
Where did I say that >who the FRICK said we're supposed to be "above nature"?
Hilariously people who are trying to make exactly this kind of argument >I'm sorry we're smarter than fricking cows and won the race.
b***h what fricking race? Who said it was supposed to be a fricking race? How did we "do" fricking anything to win it? What did they do to lose it?
Have a fricking (You) neanderthal brain.
7 months ago
Anonymous
>b***h what fricking race?
Animals eat other animals. Don't be fooled, if a bear could, he would eat you and your entire family. And take a nap in your bed.
7 months ago
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And? Is that the bear's fault or something? I'm not sure what your argument is. If you're so smart you should be able to figure out its limitations and its advantages over us, and still be able to be empathetic towards it.
How can you call yourself sapient if you can't?
7 months ago
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>If you're so smart you should be able to figure out its limitations and its advantages over us, and still be able to be empathetic towards it.
So I should let it eat me?
>Do you mean poaching into extinction?
Yup >Backwater third worlders using a shaved orangutan as a prostitute?
I would have gone with monke videos cause pure bug factor but whatever's most present in your mind, bro >You had best not be talking about livestock
There's plenty of ethical livestock farming, plenty of unethical too in interest of shekels, I'm talking about the latter
I'm talking about all of it including the constant shitting up of all their habitats into near uninhabitability for them, also in pursuit of muh shekels, indians shitting up their continent so bad it runs into the ocean, the chinks and africans poisoning the frick out of everything, all of it
It's all intertwined with how our species' head has collectively disappeared up its own ass
>If you're so smart you should be able to figure out its limitations and its advantages over us, and still be able to be empathetic towards it.
So I should let it eat me?
No, you defend yourself and put it down if needs be and don't torture the damn thing to death like a chink with a blowtorch fetish simply because it's "lesser" than you and "you can"
Yeah at this point we should go extinct and rid the planet of our idiocy. You should lead the charge bro, just deepthroat a gun or jump off a building, we'll follow
If xenos bother to make first contact it's going to be white guilt pussies trying to uplift us that won't do anything once we misuse their tech. Everyone else would cleanse the planet and take the rare minerals and dna samples from every species, just in case there's something useful.
A species so advanced it had FTL would basically look at us like we look at ants or other "lesser" species
If they were benevolent and observed us to see how we treat lesser species they'd just leave us alone and frick off
The only ones that would want anything to do with us would be the ones that would treat us pretty much like we treat the lesser species
Hope you guys like factory farming
If xenos bother to make first contact it's going to be white guilt pussies trying to uplift us that won't do anything once we misuse their tech. Everyone else would cleanse the planet and take the rare minerals and dna samples from every species, just in case there's something useful.
An accurate alien invasion movie is a movie where the invasion never happens. A race advanced enough to cross the galaxy to wage war here is advanced enough to not need anything our planet has to offer.
They're be capable of mining every element from the countless planets and asteroids between their home and ours and they'd be able to genetically engineer as many human slaves as they want after sequencing the dna from one.
Earth has nothing to offer.
source? being the only one that has it and the only one we can see that has it from 20 billion light years away are different things, and neither is actually knowing it for a fact
>they'd be able to genetically engineer as many human slaves as they want after sequencing the dna from one.
But that's expensive when they can just take the ones here with little to no effort, being so advanced & all. Perfect shekel based mindset.
>n-nooo benevolent higher beings we're like cows in comparison to, don't treat us like cows, have a burger with us and laugh at the lesser beings,it's kosher, tour our farms with us
This shit makes no sense. It's like asking someone from 1850 how to make the stage coach faster. You simply add more horses because you can't imagine steam trains yet.
Michio Kaku is full of shit
What level are the future humans in Interstellar? They can create wormholes and place them wherever they want, and go into black holes and place tesseracts there where you can watch your own past
Past stage 3. In something like The Culture books, they'd be 'sublimed' or what 'ascended' is in something like Stargate. The Culture is Stage 8 (highest stage of technology) in their books and basically invincible and technologically superior to every other culture, but are only superior in our mundane 4D universe. To the races that sublimed and moved on to higher dimensions, The Culture are like a 20 year old who purposefully failed 5th grade over and over again so they could become the best at making macaroni pictures.
It's all just fiction and thought exercises so for Kardashev I think it's just up to 3, with other authors making up scales based on it that go higher or refined it more. Sagan made it a logarithmic scale with modern Earth being about a 0.7 civ.
With The Culture books, 8 is max because The Culture is the most advanced tech level there is and those civilizations that did sublime don't usually interact much with our material world. But when they do they have such mastery of it that they may as well be gods. There's also room for infinite growth in the higher planes of existence so there is no limit to how advanced they can become.
The Culture doesn't trust the whole higher plane idea and prefers hedonism and 'helping out' lesser races.
I already AM immortal you dumb fricks, but not because of some phony AI bullshit, but because of my own health. It's also a curse and my cross to bear. I am destined to walk this Earth until all the seas have dried up and it's all just a giant desert and I am alone, having learned the very secret of existence and left alone to ponder the purpose of humanity.
Star Trek TNG introducing a Dyson sphere and never mentioning it again is wack. In the later Larry Niven Ringworld books every interstellar species is trying to get a piece of the amazing tech such an artifact implies and they're ready to go to war over it
To describe it's scale, you could fit the Imperium of Man on Ringworld (1 million worlds in the Imperium, Ringworld is 3 million times the surface area of Earth).
just so you know particle physics is a dead end and cern is some bs looking for a unicorn particle it hasn't found anything important ever and is a huge waste of time
we should probably look into ether physics or some other bs that was discarded in the late 1800's to early 1900's
It unironically should be for LONG space travel to a known planet is:
1. eggs and sperm frozen on ship
2. full AI robot ship crew that self cleans and self replicates in a factory indefinitely
2.5. travel the 1,000,000 year distance or whatever
3. Robots probe new planet on arrival to see if it is good for colonising
4. eggs and sperm IVF when only the ship reaches destination, teacher robots teach child everything and start growing food around this time.
5. aged up individuals are trained, and then allowed to colonise, the ship lands on the surface.
I don't think humans can conjure this shit thoughtbiet
>full AI robot ship crew >self replicates in a factory indefinitely >travel the 1,000,000 year distance >after a million years of travel and internal self evolution long since breaking whatever safeguards against it were in place the indefinitely self replicating AI robots are not your far superiors if they ever decide to wake more than a couple of you up to experiment on at all
Congratulations
yeah I don't see the average plebian small skull homosexual sapien pulling it off. But with AI now, we definitely can run 100,000 year simulations of such a situation into 5 minutes if we can code it and judge its survival rate.
Also I bet first gen humans would be engineered to not need normie tier socialising, and rather enjoy a more logical and learned upbringing, eg aspergers
>yeah I don't see the average plebian small skull homosexual sapien pulling it off.
You should put this at the end next time buddy so you're not exposing the hook right at the beginning like that.
Its more like what I project the people I see surrounding leadership in human race scientific direction and my expected predicted far future denominator value for such leadership in human ultimate endeavors (our infinite survival in the universe), (troublesome).
The only thing that stood some chace of actually working would be an actively, constantly manned generational ship that was like a torus ship or something, or that one from Orville, where the fact that it was a ship was practically indetectable to the majority
>aim sun in a direction to move solar system where you want >aim sun REALLY hard in a direction, btfo that planet >use sun to make a super computer
Its fricking busted
This motherfricker going to tell me there's nothing sapient that isn't human when abos are considered human and I bet your ass your average dog is more intelligent than most abos
Frick outta here
How long did you have to spend looking for a pic of a relatively "cute" one, because I've tried and it is very hard unless they're so mixed they're not recognizably abos anymore
Lol lil ugly ass yt boy has been bullied so much he's already internalized the names
7 months ago
Anonymous
>bullied
Lol is that really what you think tossing meme insults around to "win" cause you're triggered at a post is?
You have to be 18 to use this website kid
7 months ago
Anonymous
>triggered
The only things triggered here are horsefaced Yakubians lmao
7 months ago
Anonymous
>Yakubians
Ok I laughed because you intended me to this time, you win
Anyone that thinks we should be investing more in space exploration over deep sea exploration has no idea how much cooler the seas are than space. There is fricking nothing up there for Lightyears on end. Whoever gets their shit together first and starts really exploiting the oceans will rake in billions like rainfall. All the shit you think we will find in space we actually can find here under the seas. Including undiscovered complex lifeforms. People are like "Lets go send robots to explore the ocean on Europa." how about we send a small army of men to explore the fricking Pacific you gayatron?
>All the shit you think we will find in space we actually can find here under the seas.
Holy shit there's a way to escape the sun expanding into a red giant and utterly obliterating the earth and any trace we even existed under the sea?
I totally agree they need more extensive exploration though, especially since all the ancient coastlines where most humans would have lived in ~~*[prehistory*~~ are all submerged
The deep sea is way more inhospitable and difficult to operate in than space, anon.
There's only a 1atm difference between the pressure inside a space ship and the void, while the pressure differential at the bottom of the sea is 500 times worse.
Lets pretend humanity builds a dyson sphere/swarm. How do you get that energy from the sphere to the rest of the planets? You can't run power cables, if the plan is to plug in batteries then carry those back home they'd need to be stupid huge as well. If you're going to get the energy wirelessly by beaming solar radiation then why build the stupid sphere in the first place, just build solar panels at home. If the plan is to focus the energy to super charge the panels at home you're going to melt everything your solar beam hits and solar panels don't like heat.
not only do we spend endless amounts of money and resources on taking care of moronic Black folk, they also cause an endless amount of suffering and death and destabilize society which further reduces technological progress
one of those white kids killed by Black folk could have invented something incredible, while those Black folk have zero chance of ever doing anything helpful for society
and of course the reason we have this Black person problem is because of israelites, if israelites didnt fill white countries with Black folk and they only existed in africa and we werent forced to use our resources on them then it wouldnt be much of an issue
Science fiction is inherently onions and bugman. Especially the idea that science and technology is a solution for most problems or somehow going to offset the flaws in human nature or misaligned incentives of society. Exploring human's inner worlds are far more interesting.
Correct. Reddit sci-fi like Star Trek and the culture series always has to start with humanity collectively deciding to stop acting like humans to work. And they always rely on magical technology which solves scarcity to justify it.
Correct. Reddit sci-fi like Star Trek and the culture series always has to start with humanity collectively deciding to stop acting like humans to work. And they always rely on magical technology which solves scarcity to justify it.
science-fiction is about expanding frontiers to solve problems by acquiring more resources.
navelgazing is about how to be content with knowing that nothing is never going to improve and it's pointless to try.
sci-fi is the white man's genre. "exploring human's inner worlds" is the bugman's genre.
The Kardashev scale is stupid and I don't like that it got popular. I'm also not sure why it got popular; sci-fi fans are usually more discerning. The tiers are too far apart and no one on Earth can properly conceptualize what it would mean to harness all the energy from a single star, let alone a galaxy. It's just "imagine god-like powers" from our standpoint which makes it useless even for wildly speculative purposes.
Fun Fact: the most difficult fish to keep in captivity are saltwater fish, they are ridiculously sensitive to small changes in the water's consistency and quality
The best way to keep them is in the largest tanks possible, since it's much more difficult to change an average in the water as a whole the greater its volume is, but it is still not impossible, you can still kill off a tank full
If you think about the possibility of even 1 species per galaxy, we could literally be surrounded by aliens all the time, and if the FTL/distance thing could never be worked out by any of them because it's simply impossible, none of them would ever know about any others
if generation ships are possible (maybe for some reason they're not, who knows), then even if it takes you thousands of years to reach another star, over billions of years of exponential growth, you still have these super-slow colonizers filling up entire galaxies in "no time" on a galactic scale
and you probably have von neumann probes showing up everywhere to prepare it for colonization.
The b***h is everyone forgetting how to do anything and having to relearn it all over again from scratch, not having either the modern knowledge nor the previous, since the internet so much information and skills have already gotten regulated to being unnecessary to know, because everything is just a search away, people don't know how to do basic shit even like produce food
It'd be going back to the iron age in this vague way more resembling the N Sentinelese trying to work metal they salvaged from a ship with no idea wtf they're doing
we will never get to type 1 because our great filter is having to babysit low iq brown people for all time
Manned mission to Mars? Economic exploration of the moon and asteroids?
BUT I JUST WANTED A HOUSE TO RAISE TYRONE'S BABERINOS IN PEACE
Why can't we explore space and build houses for the poor at the same time?
Because government uses one as an excuse not to spend on the other, and they can't fudge the numbers on space projects and pocket the difference like they can with poor housing.
>maaaaaaaarrrs?!? But what about all these poor nig-...I mean, black people? They need our HeEeEelp
>1 trillion on poor people gibs! *gives 1 billion, pockets the rest for child abduction and drugs*
Nobody ever notices or cares about the difference.
Something something landlords something something money value, you could house everyone in already existing properties, you wouldn't even have to build some shitload more, only make them livable to some standard
Cool. Give up your property first. Oh wait, you don't own any
I specifically requested to be just behind you in line to do so already, call it prescience
you try drawing a tiny circle clockwise with your left hand while drawing a big circle counterclockwise with your right hand, smart guy
dw bro the yellows beat whites in IQ by an avg 10 or so points and their population is doing quite well.
Sadly for every yellow there's an Indian that needs to be babysat.
why do they honk their horns every 5 second?
Which ones? Both China and Japan are experiencing the beginnings of an aging crisis and kpop has turned all of Korea's youth gay.
kpop is the least of koreas problems.
No it's not, it's rapidly aging and can't sustain itself much longer itself .
>chinks smart
>their population is doing well
Doing well at what exactly?
Harvesting gutter oil and stealing people's pets to blowtorch alive in the street before cooking it in said gutter oil
Also "virgin boy eggs"
Also shitty con artist construction that collapses
Really, they excel in so many things
>Virgin boy eggs are a traditional dish of Dongyang, Zhejiang, China in which eggs are boiled in the urine of young boys, preferably under the age of ten.
>dw bro the yellows beat whites in IQ by an avg 10 or so points and their population is doing quite well
Weak. WEAK ASS bait. only thing good yellow does is shapeshift genders, steal peoples ideas when they arent stealing their pets, cheat, walk into to traffic while texting, just real high iq shit
Everything you said is wrong.
>Only data about chink IQ comes from a graduate program and at University in Shanghai
>This is representative of all Asians
The west has fallen
That's why he has a line of (You)s, they're like prison currency here only also they're worthless in reality and redeemable for frick all
>yellows beat whites in IQ by an avg 10 or so points
The "smart" Asian countries - Japan and China - lie routinely on all their stats to make themselves look good on the world stage. China lies about IQ, education, scientific discoveries, etc., and Japan lies through its teeth about crime stats.
>dw bro the yellows beat whites in IQ by an avg 10 or so points and their population is doing quite well.
lol, east Asia's populations are crashing. China and South Korea are making Japan's birthrate look high. The eastern century isn't going to happen. The world order will remain controlled by the the West even after the looming global economic debt bubble implosion. America and Europe will come out of it looking more like Brazil but they'll be the kings of the shitheap for the next 1,000 years. As bad as it will be here it is going to be worse everywhere else. Human technologic progress is going to stagnate under the burden of the brown and black hordes. An average IQ that is too low is the great filter. The high IQ people simply cannot overcome the burden of the idiots.
Even if they were above replacement levels, Asians don’t have the natural drive of the European to explore and take the necessary risk.
screaming
If it was that simple then it would’ve been done when Genghis Kahn and his goon squad were tearing ass across half the world.
Learn what the great filter actually means.
Need to purge semites and subsaharans or we'll be doomed as a species, they're the cancer of humanity.
Factually true.
The US alone spends $1,000,000,000,000/year on WELFARE.
We’d have colonies on every planet if we didn’t have to subsidize losers.
Name a greater tragedy.
Protip: You can't.
>why aint whitey gibs me dat insteada goin to da moon?
Billions of subhuman shitskins that expect 'whitey' to coddle them their entire lives.
The world would be a better place if every single non-White beast (and every White race traitor collaborator) was exterminated.
I can tell you have never had sex
I have a long term gf.
You media programmed world view fails yet again.
Your hand isn't a girl friend
>epic clapback yass slay queen
Grow up.
That fat b***h knows no hunger
>for the "hungry"
>pictured: a morbidly obese Black sheboon with flabby arms consisting of 95% cellulite
Many such cases.
This is the most upsetting part to me. With AI and quantum computing we're approaching a technological singularity, enough that true immortality or at least the cure for aging could be discovered in our lifetimes. Which means that right now there's a higher than 0% chance you will never die. Yet you most likely will anyways, because all our resources are being dedicated to the "needy" I.E. melanin enriched partially evolved cave people instead of into tech progress. In the grand tapestry of the universe, the human species won't be anything more than a lesson on improperly tuned social evolution.
>With AI and quantum computing we're approaching a technological singularity, enough that true immortality or at least the cure for aging could be discovered in our lifetimes
we're not even close to that lol
AI isn't even real AI it's word/image arranging programs lol
Its a learning program. If you give it enough to learn and enough power to learn it, its going to get fancy.
They still don't even understand how to "restart consciousness" after death, meaning they have zero conception of where consciousness even resides, still, meaning they can not transfer the living current consciousness that is "you from your perspective" anywhere
Any "immortality" like that would just be some copy of you, you yourself will still be dead, you're not going to "wake up" in a computer, "he" will
Thats the problem with a lot of you midwit goombas who try to think up this high, you think that because the particles are different it isn't you anymore. I would happily cut my own throat and descend into the void if it means my stream of consciousness remains eternal in one form or another.
>you think that because the particles are different it isn't you anymore
But it literally is not "you" in this current iteration of "your life"
"You" will not experience it, only some other "you"
It's as good/relevant to "you" as the equally practical thought some other version of you in some alternate timeline/reality being king of earth would be
>I would happily cut my own throat and descend into the void if it means my stream of consciousness remains eternal in one form or another.
And you get that, and I agree, but it's a slightly different discussion than whether or not a copy is you from your current perspective or not
It’s exactly the same as empire in foundation. That anon talks a big game but when it came down to it he wouldn’t slit his throat he’d realize right away it’s a different person. It’s passing down a legacy, which is great. But we already have that, it’s called children.
It doesn't matter that "its not me" you bu. Ant brained Black folk, its still my consciousness. It doesn't matter that I'm not going to live "that persons" life, they're still carrying on my agenda and beliefs and evolving them exactly how I would have anyways. You can't comprehend your existence outside your own skulls so you'd sacrifice your identity obtaining godhood for a few extra years of mortality just "being you". And thats why you'll be nothing more than particles on my cosmic reality spanning ass, and being the idiots you are, you'll believe you're in heaven.
>its still my consciousness
Yeah, sure, but as I said, that's still an entirely different argument to the one that was being had
>You can't comprehend your existence outside your own skulls so you'd sacrifice your identity obtaining godhood for a few extra years of mortality just "being you". And thats why you'll be nothing more than particles on my cosmic reality spanning ass, and being the idiots you are, you'll believe you're in heaven.
And now you're just strawmanning based on frick all, so take the (You) and shut up.
I think i will. Thanks, beloved ass particle.
You are right but that anon is speaking about if/when we get true AI. When that happens all bets are off. So if we were close to that(we aren’t) he’d be right, anything is possible or even likely.
>if we were close to that(we aren’t) he’d be right, anything is possible or even likely.
No, we aren't, you're right, but there still may be some natural plateau tech advancement itself could realistically achieve, where you simply can not make any further significant progress no matter how extensive your knowledgebase or how creative you are or how much time you give it
My bet would be it's applicable to something like FTL, there simply may be no way to ever "advance" to exceeding lightspeed no matter what
There may be glass ceilings we can't even conceive of all over the place
Even quantum computers wouldn't be able to compute their way past some natural tech advancement plateau, as there would be no available answers to the problem
Ya that’s why I said possible or likely, not guranteed. There’s no way to know. Personally I think we are going to hit multiple different walls in tech soon trying to get AI. And realize how far away we actually are, and wonder for 100s of years if it’s even possible. There are people still alive that were alive when computers were invented. We haven’t even begun hitting all the tech walls that are bound to happen. Everyone just assumes we will keep exponential growth but that’s not how it works. You can tell how ungrounded everyone’s predictions are because it’s always “well with future tech, assuming we keep advancing at x rate, we should have AI by this time”. That’s a lot of assuming, when we can already see walls coming at us fast like the end of die shrinks.
Especially since even the best of scifi writers always have to something something their way past or insert some element we found somewhere else that doesn't exist to us yet to get around a lot of problems
Do you feel me tickling there, clarice
Stop scapegoating non-whites all the time. Most people are stupid cowards regardless of skin color, and they bow down to monkey kings that rule out societies and suck up all our wealth.
The great filter is rich people being selfish
the dream unironically,
as if any one Cinemaphilener would share if they would be at the top lemao
and poor people obedient.
>I have very strong opinions
DING DING DING DING
Unironically this, taking care of Black folk and "social injustices" is holding us back from exploring the universe.
In 1969 they got men on the moon. It's 2023 and we have not done anything as spectacular as that since then.
Imagine the possibilities today with modern technology, we would've explored mars already if it wasn't for Black folk being poor and criminals.
If it wasn't for slaves you would still be eating corn and frickong your sister
what does this even mean? Black folk picked cotton not foodstuffs
>because they were enslaved they helped to uplift your dumb ass by generating free labor
god you're dumber than rocks
uplift who? a tiny number of land owners? stifling the development of the free market by undercutting everyone else? and you have the audacity to call me dumb, lol. holy shit you must be 80 IQ on a good day
>i was called out so im going to invent something completely different so i can cling to my false sense of superiority
oh, btw 'superiority' means you think you're better than you are
Very few people owned slaves
Virtually no wealth in any quantity held by any individuals today can be attributed to or linked to slavery in a substantial way.
It’s literally nonsense dangled in front of idiots by race b8rs
A lot of people owned slaves in the USA, but most of that wealth transitioned to carpet baggers, etc.
No they didn’t a tiny percentage of very wealthy southern plantation owners had slaves
The amount on plantations was massive, though, in the thousands. You're not wrong, but the amount of wealth suddenly "discovered" in 1865 can't be overestimated. I say that as a southerner.
Literally made up head cannon lmfao kys
Just give it about 12 more years. It was 66 years between the Wright Flyer and the Moon Landing, we are do for something spectacular in the next decade.
what do you get when you feed a million starving africans?
five million starving africans
we will never advance as a species until we stop babysitting a continent that never developed the wheel even before muh colonialism
WHITEY ON THE MOON
The Portuguese will pay for breaking quarantine
The great filter is climate collapse causing multiple simultaneous crop failures and eventually turning breadbaskets into sterile badlands
The entire global economy will collapse and we will regress to the stone age, if we survive at all.
>muh climate change
shut up
he said collapse, not change, change is a israeli moneygrab psyop, collapse might actually eventually occur due to none of the reasons they tout, because the real reasons cost money to fix rather than make them more money via government enforced grift
Note that collapse just means a collapse of its ability to sustain this much if any life depending on how it all goes
>the real reasons cost money to fix rather than make them more money via government enforced grift
There may be things about it we can't do shit about because some elements aren't even anything we can control, they're natural cycles of the planet over longer timescales than we can conceptualize realistically, most people can't think beyond their own lifetimes
you could build space habitats with contemporary technology. then you just make a few thousand of those and it doesn't matter that a few of them blow up now and then, they can always be renewed. even if earth goes kaput, it's not a great filter. great filter is more something like, it simply being impossible to get creatures intelligent enough to go into space also willing to cooperate towards that goal. ie., alarmingly close to our current problem.
though I think the filter is that nothing can even get to our current position
>great filter is more something like, it simply being impossible to get creatures intelligent enough to go into space also willing to cooperate towards that goal. ie., alarmingly close to our current problem.
Great filter was a different discussion to the one I sort of budged my way into there I thought, but you're correct
>I think the filter is that nothing can even get to our current position
For us, probably, we are way out in the boonies of our own galaxy, and with the odds against sapient life capable of building shit and getting off a planet, at best there might be 1-3 species per galaxy on average, assuming anything else does exist
a civilization stuck in space habitats won't have enough energy to maintain an existence on space habitats
>inb4 technology will le improve efficiency
It won't, but if it did, improved efficiency has no correlation with sustainability and usually enforces unsustainable behavior. look up Jevons' paradox
>improved efficiency has no correlation with sustainability and usually enforces unsustainable behavior.
We can sure as shit pump out a new iphone every other year and burn through all the "rare earth minerals" we can easily get to like shekel hungry israelites
Though arguably things would improve a little bit from cellphones becoming rarer
What you're talking about is how making something cheaper makes people consume more of it, big surprise, which is not a problem unless the energy source is non-renewable, which the sun is.
Rare-earth minerals for solar panels and batteries aren't though
Good luck maintaining high tech industries as a bunch of holdout refuges in space and ground shelters, seriously. That shit won't work. Maintaining a system simultaneously so complex and fragile is not feasible.
>but you can't prove it isn't!!
To be honest all techno-hopium only ever made sense from a position of blind faith, in humanity of all things. It's incredible how few generations it really took to plunge earth into an irrecoverable disaster
>rare earth metals
Despite the spooky name they aren’t really that rare just more rare than shit like copper and iron
The places we can mine for them without shitting everything up is limited, and there is a finite amount, and tech currently isn't at the point where they can be easily if at all replaced, otherwise we'd use other shit
Also recycling of them is inefficient and you can never get 100% back out of them
ah yes, as if whites in the half to mid wit range are not the ones wreaking havoc on our civilization
fippy bippy
>humans can't really do it
The oil, nope, coal and metal. yes, we did a hell of a lot with human labor in previous ages and there's FAR more humans living at once than ever before, at least for a bit, so backbreaking manual tunneling and mining could and would definitely happen
no
>just drain the flooded mines with buckets of water bro
cringe
The water table varies wildly but we wouldn't know how to find those places anyway or probably even to look for them since again, stupid, so I guess you win, well done
Almost all science fiction is absolute garbage when it comes to scale
Shit like Star Wars and dune and Star Trek feel smaller than real current governments abs military organizations here on earth
The only things that have coke close to correct are the expanse, 40k and the book foundation (not the show)
A single civilization just is in its own solar system spread out among the moons, planet's asteroids etc would have probably 100+ billion people maybe more, if you are talking about a galaxy spanning civilization like in Star Wars the size of the fleets and militaries would be beyond our comprehension
Trillions of soldiers billions or ships. Armies of beurocrats and quantum computers just to keep track of it all. The loss of billions would be a rounding error.
Entire wars on the scale of ww2 would be no more of a story to people in a kardishev 4 than of local crime in Africa is to us now.
Small spats between systems would be gargantuan conflicts killing billions or people and would be a footnote to a kardishev 4
>Almost all science fiction is absolute garbage when it comes to scale
here you go
hello chinaman
That’s because it keeps the scale quite small up until the end when it veers off into nonsense.
I thought hyperion had a pretty good sense of scale, especially the second half of fall of hyperion.
best things about the later books are the future weaponry and ship battles and the e-girl gf
I knew what that spoiler was going to say but I clicked it anyway
Read Heinlein. Many of his stories are about an overpopulated and complicated Earth - people escape to live as self sufficient colonists as far away from that crap as possible.
heinlein is very based. Never read anything of his though
The Moon is a Harsh Mistress is very accessible and related to this thread, would definitely recommend.
If you want a shorter and simpler story, Farmer in the Sky is suitable too.
neat thanks for the recs. Gonna go try find them
The audiobook is very good for MiaHM
Time Enough For Love is his best and has a number of stories in it, including the protagonist homesteading on an alien planet, later in his extremely long life.
This protagonist also plays grabass with his teenage fem clones. it's a pretty cool book and probably the most comprehensive example of heinlein's style.
Methuselah's Children is the precursor novelette and takes almost no time to put away if you want a taste. it's also for a younger audience so no racy shit in that one.
And incest. Gotta' love that Heinlein, feudal bastard understood
What Heinelen books have incest?
Several do, but they're a part of the same long running series and you would need to read at least two books to get to it. The quickest path to it is Methuselah's Children -> Time Enough for Love. Beyond that, though, and you would need to read some supplementary material first.
That's a lot of work just to jerk off
This
How good is the incest ? Worth it?
I genuinely enjoy Heinlein, and read several books before even realizing he wrote about incest.
Not really? I don't jerk to incest. He's probably the largest name in Sci-Fi to have done incest (sibling, twin, father-daughter, mother-son, ambiguous other distant relationships). But all the incest is part of the same book series, and you have to read quite a bit to get to it. Also it's not very pornographic except a couple of passages.
If you want to read great science fiction that contains taboo subjects, including but not limited to incest, read Heinlein. If you're looking for pornographic incest material, look elsewhere.
It may be easier to list the one's that don't
The Culture novels which describe exactly that in the case of the Culture-Idiran war.
The Iain M. Banks argument is that any civilisation large enough to achieve Type III has started the countdown to "subliming" if they don't wipe themselves out first with "hyper-grid intrusion" ("gridfire"), a sort of space WMD.
https://theculture.fandom.com/wiki/The_Sublimed
The most egregious example of this is Star Wars. You can maybe forgive the originals for being goofy space fantasy from the 70s, so they had technical limitations on being able to show thousands of ships. But prequel stuff is unfodgivable, especially AotC. The ENTIRE Grand Army of the Republic is 3 million clones. Million, with an M. Because they got stuck between a rock and a hard place when George decided that the Clone Wars were wars between clones and droids. If you're making clones, they're still people. Having an army of 40 billion soldiers pop out of nowhere is going to cause a stir, even on a galactic scale. So they had to go with a lower number, but they ended up with an army that's supposed to fight a galactic war but is outnumbered by the current Vietnamese military.
Corascaunt has like 15 trillion people on it (probably still low given the pop density should have more like 15 quadrillion)
There is 35k members in the NYPD alone … just the New York police department
We stick to that proportion (35k per 8 million). The courscaunt police force should be about 65 billion people
65 billion. Just for police
>the pop density should have more like 15 quadrillion
Coruscant is levels built on levels stretching down to the bedrock, most of the lower levels are either empty or sparsely populated
It's compressing onto itself and collapsing in many places from the weight of everything built above it
At least in the old EU
That’s fine doesn’t change that the lower anarchy levels coroscaunt would easily house entire nations ruled by warlords with armies in the millions if not billions
And that would just be like a standard day
>ywn be a space cop and kneel on the necks of Black folk in space (they still commit most of the crime)
>be a 10,000 year old galactic republic empire with literal space wizards, magic tech and sentient AI robots
>Yet almost every planet shown in all media is wilderness to backwater undeveloped shithole
>even the cartoons rarely show a developed planet
>largest battle ever shown in revenge of the sith isn’t much larger than naval engagements in ww2 here in earth
>most battles are 1-3 Star destroyed 100 fighters and random rebel craft fleeing
Idk if they are really that unoriginal or what. Planetary defense forces alien would have at least thousands of capital ships
>Shit like Star Wars and dune and Star Trek feel smaller than real current governments abs military organizations here on earth
those are called space operas, it's fantasy in space, you could change setting to small kingdom and nothing would change
so duh
That’s dumb
Also
>Star Trek
>space opera
Frick off
You have just described the Xeelee Sequence.
Where do I start with these?
When is Rendezvous with Rama finally coming out?
Depends on whether or not Denis wastes his time with another low-res Dune sequel
Manipulation of volcanoes and weather seems like a dumb stipulation to have for type 1. There are probably type 2 or 3 civs who don't control the natural disasters of their home planet.
Maybe I'm moronic but to me a Dyson sphere seems more feasible than preventing tectonic shifts or manipulating the very core of the planet to stop volcanoes from erupting.
>able to harness ALL the energy of their parent star by enclosing it in some dyson sphere or some shit
I think it should be "able to harvest all THEIR energy from their parent star", seems fairer
Why the frick would you even need 100% of it, what even for
You could probably expand galactically and not need 100% of the energy output of one star
The scale is misleading
A kardishev 1 would likely already be multi-system if it was able to exploit an entire planet, a type 2 would already be near galactic if it could build and use the energy of Dyson spheres
A type 3 is almost beyond our ability to understand it, basically a civilization so big it fully exploits an entire galaxy. Such a civilization would be as alien to us as we are to insects
>a type 2 would already be near galactic if it could build and use the energy of Dyson spheres
Yes, the amount of material needed to even build a dyson sphere to surround a star doesn't even exist in this system in total
But still the energy output is so enormous you wouldn't need to build one just to power this system even if we colonized every planet and had artificial stations everywhere
It's a huge unnecessary expenditure
A civ advanced enough to build a DS wouldn't need one.
Not necessarily true a giant civ would need insane amounts of energy not sure how else they’d get it
echolocation
You could build a Dyson Swarm, which is more practical than a Sphere in every way and would take far less resources.
what if u use the oort cloud?
"All the energy" can include making a Matrioshka Brain, which is a computer of such power you could upload trillion of people as programs and keep them alive that way for many billions of years.
>able to harvest all THEIR energy from their parent star
This is already basically true of any civ though
we need 100% the power the supercomputers so I can frick Julia Butters in VR every night.
>type 1, harness energy from parent star
>type 2, harness energy from host star
what the difference?
Type 2 is being able to capture all of the star's energy entirely and utilize it, again, for what, I have no idea, since the sun puts out so much fricking energy it's inconceivable you could even actually use a 100th of it
got it, thanks spacebros
no problem earthboy
Type 1 takes the power of the star that lands on the planet itself.
Type 2 meanwhile turns the star into a fusion reactor for their 100 million mile diamater dyson sphere, ulitiizing the entire energy output of the star.
Hollywood writers are too fricking stupid
All Bible movies are by definition Stage IV civ movies.
>Bible
>Earth is flat
But "muh, it's a metaphor"...
My ass, when it was written it was not a metaphor, it was meant to be the reality.
> when it was written it was not a metaphor, it was meant to be the reality.
>Bronze age literal who near eastern cultures said the earth is flat because nothing else contradicted it until the iron age were wrong
How are you able to post here given how obviously moronic you are?
You don't stop being wrong about something because you don't know what you're talking about.
Only moron here is you.
I never had a chance to post this, thanks
>god dressed like a manga villain
Absolute cringe; weeaboos get the rope
>manga villain
I thought it was daft punk from the thumbnail. The fact that you even know "manga villains" dress like that and the fact you said manga instead of anime is a dead giveaway you're the biggest weeb in the thread.
Coming to Cinemaphile for 15 years you pick up on things.
I have never read a manga in my life
I'm not buying it. Specifically odd to say manga over anime. I'm watching you.
>I have never read a manga in my life
You’re missing some good stories. A lot of absolute shit too though
Where would blame be on the Kardishev scale anons?
scale zero since they aren't even in control of it
Blame was clearly stage 2
This manga was decent but around the end it became kind of nonsencical imo
>spelled BLAME
>said Blam!
why tho
Kinda funny english speakers will have trouble with this. You simply never pronounce those syllables like that.
At what lvl are we for now ?
>Able to use fission...
>...to boil water.
It's lvl 0 or -1 ?
we will never leave earth, the radiation in space is impossible to beat
This is some flat earth nonsense we can shield ourselves from radiation you gay
van allen says otherwise
Van Allen is wrong we know how to build radiation shielding
You just go around the belts, it's not like we can't tell where the worst radiation like that is
The real problem atm is that there's generally so much radiation in space on average +ridiculous lengths of travel time even if we could achieve lightspeed
Not necessarily, just needs at least several decades if not longer in materials advancement
That is assuming tech progress doesn't eventually hit some natural plateau where you can't advance any further no matter how creative you get
See
, we could never use the entire output of the star anyway, you could build a thin ring and have all the system's energy needs covered with tons of excess
The star is vastly larger than all other matter in the system combined by multiples
Jupiter alone is larger than we can realistically conceive of already and it's fricking dwarfed by our parent star
>Jupiter alone is larger than we can realistically conceive of already and it's fricking dwarfed by our parent star
probably can if you made it's thickness on the atomic scale
Y-you too
even better, in theory you could just create a modular system and start with a single panel, then convert energy into mass to build the rest of the panels.
id say the bigger problem is that any one of a million tiny things could frick up and lead to a spiral of disasters. one nutter woman in space could destroy the entire ship
Radiation isn't very dangerous. A person could pass right through the Van Allen belts with no shielding beyond the hull of an ordinary space ship, and nothing bad would happen to him beyond a modest increase in long-term risk of cancer. Basically, you'd just be shortening your life expectancy by a few years, but who really cares whether you RIP at 70 versus 80?
>A person could pass right through the Van Allen belts with no shielding beyond the hull of an ordinary space ship, and nothing bad would happen to him beyond a modest increase in long-term risk of cancer.
Yes but that's just because you can get through the belts relatively quickly, long term smaller dose radiation from excruciatingly long travel times to get anywhere "significant" is the real b***h
Not even russian astronauts died en masse of cancer/radiation, with all the cut corners we can expect from communists that give zero shits about people's safety. This doesn't mean the radiation is trivial, only that all space programs are bullshit but since they all lie they can't call out each other's lies (eg chinamans clearly staged space stuff or mexican congress alien bodies)
>The scale is hypothetical
So who gives a shit, this is made up bullshit on par with sci fi stories
>this is made up bullshit on par with sci fi stories
that's kind of the point of the scale, to classify civilizations in scifi stories.
there ought to be a stage in between II and III like a local star cluster or something
going from controlling a single star to an entire galaxy in one step is kind of moronic
like what would the ST Federation be on this scale?
Technically not even a two. Even if they could theoretically “use” all the energy in a single star in terms of just pure energy use equivielbt spread over the whole federation they are still nowhere near that level in start trek
I mean frick in Star Trek humans haven’t even colonized our system besides the moon and a few stations. They used the cheat code of first contact to make humanity for from 1960’s tech to Star Trek 200 years
Science fiction is so fricking gay.
Any tips for writing sci-fi?
write a fantasy book, then ctrl+f and replace "magic" with "quantum physics", "spell" with "string theory" and "wizard" with "scientist"
capeshit isn't science fiction
dont put any nigs in it. it makes it instantly unbelievable when i see one of them in space
Dyson spheres are impossible
Possibly the amount of material and the strength needed and just the scale is so far beyond what hat humans can do that it surely might be
But in principal the idea isn’t outside of what we know so physically possible as a concept it might just be impossible for a spieces like ours to build and maintain
More sense to build a swarm of solar collectors around a star and collect as much energy from it as you can than build a true sphere
What I'd like to see is an accurate alien invasion movie. If we get invaded, we're either getting btfo right away or we only "win" barely by being such a pain in the ass the aliens give up and go home.
so mars attacks
our only hope is they end up landing in sub-saharan africa
War of the worlds remake but mosquitoes and aids instead of flu. I'd watch this.
or we being so filthy disgusting that they get an infection and die from contacting us.
A species so advanced it had FTL would basically look at us like we look at ants or other "lesser" species
If they were benevolent and observed us to see how we treat lesser species they'd just leave us alone and frick off
The only ones that would want anything to do with us would be the ones that would treat us pretty much like we treat the lesser species
Hope you guys like factory farming
oh no, they eat aminals?! how heartless! truly only doggos and cattos are worth saving from this wretched hell!
Who said anything about eating, I'm talking about how supposedly sapient and higher evolved beings TREAT them
Killing it and eating it doesn't mean you have to be a c**t to it and force its entire existence to just be living in a cage til it's fat enough to eat
It's a living being some twisted God saw fit to give emotions and thoughts and feelings to, it doesn't have to exist in a hell before it ends as all beings do to get fed to some higher being
>b-but nature is cruel
We're supposed to be above nature, that's the excuse everyone keeps using to act like we're not above nature
why do you think aliens who surely lived through an industrial revolution of their own would judge us harshly for... *checks notes* efficiently using animals to feed our civilization
>efficiently using animals
lmao
Yeah they'd efficiently use us like the animals we are the same way
Would you b***h about it
yes because I'm capable of forming thoughts and concepts like "freedom" and "captivity," unlike a cow
And they're capable of FTL, you lose, you're like a cow to them, stop mooing and get in the cage bessie
somehow if I think like a vegan, the alien civ will too
>a vegan
Please do go back to my post here
You can still eat them without being a c**t to them bevcause they didn't evolve opposable thumbs or larger brains, stupid
That works if you're talking about small scales, but once you have a population like we do and huge industries spring up around feeding all these people it's always gonna be factory farms. The aliens most definitely went through a phase like this before they reached FTL travel, so they're not going to condemn us for doing the same even if they've found a better way. And it's not some condemnation of human nature that we did it to begin with, we are under no obligation to treat animals like they have human rights
>it's not some condemnation of human nature that we did it to begin with, we are under no obligation to treat animals like they have human rights
No, it's just a condemnation of human nature that we continue to do it with these kinds of excuses, simply because it's "cheaper/more efficient"
That's fricking israeli mental gymnastics to make more shekels
If we start shutting down the cow to grocery store pipeline, billions of people are going to starve
Who said shut it down? Why is it either "it exists exactly like this in perpetuity" or "billions starve"?
I agree, but I don't know of any plans that would stop it in a reasonable way either
Nobody has any because the notion that lesser beings used for food should be looked on and treated with empathy is "too expensive", so even that notion gets handwavingly dismissed like you're a vegan or something, shut up gay, humans rule. GOD GRANTED DOMINION b***hES
we're not under any obligation to treat any humans like they have human rights either but we still do
>a species that rose to dominate its planet
>a culture/nation if that species rose to dominate all others in its preview and go out to colonize the stars
>I think this species will be pacifist and vegan
Kek, that isn’t how it works
What I'm saying, if they come all this way out here, it's highly unlikely to be for any benevolent reasons, we'd just be getting farmed
We don't "deserve" some benevolent advancement we deny to the species as far below us as the aliens would be above us anyway
>benevolent advancement we deny to the species as far below us
homie there is no other species on this planet that could stand alongside us. we are the only sapient things on earth. how the frick would we "advance" any other animal?
>we are the only sapient things on earth.
Lol at the least, dolphins, whales, dogs, cats, to varying degrees, all those species can pass a MSR, gorillas, actual apes that aren't a euphemism for blacks like the gorillas, etc, etc
We are not the only sapient or sapient potential species here
Frick advancing them at this point we can't stop simply shitting all over everything like an indian kabaddi team on a curry heavy diet they eat off the damn ground they shit on
They have sapience but evolution/god/take your pick denied them ways to make it useful for anything but fricking and feeding and fighting
Your call whether that existence is superior to "this" without us shitting all over the places they live not really "useful" to us
Who's the animal
>le who's the animal
reddit tripe. let's see dolphins build rockets with fricking flippers dumbass. don't fricking reply to me with your 3rd grader tier "le so deep" moronation.
>let's see dolphins build rockets with fricking flippers dumbass
>They have sapience but evolution/god/take your pick denied them ways to make it useful for anything but fricking and feeding and fighting
Way to miss the headline and pieface yourself there, genius
I'm unfamiliar with reddit, but please do elucidate further on this place you know so much more than me about
Oh yeah? Let's see you dive a thousand feet under the surface with just your widdle human fingies.
nah, we wont do that, because we have hands, and can therefore build boats and submarines. Fish blown the frick out again, I guess. A third time too, once the local chinese fishing fleet comes along with nets, which by the way I doubt your shitty little dolphins can make.
suck my human wiener you porpoise homosexual
Poor lil hand boi, imagine needing technology to take what you want
i keep forgetting what thread im in stop posting this image in both
The problem is you think we're not animals. And who the FRICK said we're supposed to be "above nature"? We're part of nature. I'm sorry we're smarter than fricking cows and won the race. If you feel so bad about it go to the fricking jungle and live there.
>you think we're not animals
Where did I say that
>who the FRICK said we're supposed to be "above nature"?
Hilariously people who are trying to make exactly this kind of argument
>I'm sorry we're smarter than fricking cows and won the race.
b***h what fricking race? Who said it was supposed to be a fricking race? How did we "do" fricking anything to win it? What did they do to lose it?
Have a fricking (You) neanderthal brain.
>b***h what fricking race?
Animals eat other animals. Don't be fooled, if a bear could, he would eat you and your entire family. And take a nap in your bed.
And? Is that the bear's fault or something? I'm not sure what your argument is. If you're so smart you should be able to figure out its limitations and its advantages over us, and still be able to be empathetic towards it.
How can you call yourself sapient if you can't?
>If you're so smart you should be able to figure out its limitations and its advantages over us, and still be able to be empathetic towards it.
So I should let it eat me?
Do you mean poaching into extinction? Backwater third worlders using a shaved orangutan as a prostitute? You had best not be talking about livestock
>Do you mean poaching into extinction?
Yup
>Backwater third worlders using a shaved orangutan as a prostitute?
I would have gone with monke videos cause pure bug factor but whatever's most present in your mind, bro
>You had best not be talking about livestock
There's plenty of ethical livestock farming, plenty of unethical too in interest of shekels, I'm talking about the latter
I'm talking about all of it including the constant shitting up of all their habitats into near uninhabitability for them, also in pursuit of muh shekels, indians shitting up their continent so bad it runs into the ocean, the chinks and africans poisoning the frick out of everything, all of it
It's all intertwined with how our species' head has collectively disappeared up its own ass
No, you defend yourself and put it down if needs be and don't torture the damn thing to death like a chink with a blowtorch fetish simply because it's "lesser" than you and "you can"
Yeah at this point we should go extinct and rid the planet of our idiocy. You should lead the charge bro, just deepthroat a gun or jump off a building, we'll follow
This I also signed up to be right behind you in line for, cohencidentally
When you're dying of starvation in the ruins of "once great" america, remember this post
Man stop posting pictures of little girls
If xenos bother to make first contact it's going to be white guilt pussies trying to uplift us that won't do anything once we misuse their tech. Everyone else would cleanse the planet and take the rare minerals and dna samples from every species, just in case there's something useful.
Pretty much, but the white guild pussies would probably wipe the whites out and give blacks the tech, K class scenario
An accurate alien invasion movie is a movie where the invasion never happens. A race advanced enough to cross the galaxy to wage war here is advanced enough to not need anything our planet has to offer.
They're be capable of mining every element from the countless planets and asteroids between their home and ours and they'd be able to genetically engineer as many human slaves as they want after sequencing the dna from one.
Earth has nothing to offer.
We're the only planet that has water in the universe
true
But there are so many comets made of ice flying around that it hardly matters.
I'm talking about liquid water
>Aliens are going to travel across the galaxy to study the secret of melting ice.
source? being the only one that has it and the only one we can see that has it from 20 billion light years away are different things, and neither is actually knowing it for a fact
>they'd be able to genetically engineer as many human slaves as they want after sequencing the dna from one.
But that's expensive when they can just take the ones here with little to no effort, being so advanced & all. Perfect shekel based mindset.
>n-nooo benevolent higher beings we're like cows in comparison to, don't treat us like cows, have a burger with us and laugh at the lesser beings,it's kosher, tour our farms with us
This shit makes no sense. It's like asking someone from 1850 how to make the stage coach faster. You simply add more horses because you can't imagine steam trains yet.
Michio Kaku is full of shit
1850’s had steam engines you dunce
What level are the future humans in Interstellar? They can create wormholes and place them wherever they want, and go into black holes and place tesseracts there where you can watch your own past
Past stage 3. In something like The Culture books, they'd be 'sublimed' or what 'ascended' is in something like Stargate. The Culture is Stage 8 (highest stage of technology) in their books and basically invincible and technologically superior to every other culture, but are only superior in our mundane 4D universe. To the races that sublimed and moved on to higher dimensions, The Culture are like a 20 year old who purposefully failed 5th grade over and over again so they could become the best at making macaroni pictures.
So what's the highest level ever? Like 20 or something?
It's all just fiction and thought exercises so for Kardashev I think it's just up to 3, with other authors making up scales based on it that go higher or refined it more. Sagan made it a logarithmic scale with modern Earth being about a 0.7 civ.
With The Culture books, 8 is max because The Culture is the most advanced tech level there is and those civilizations that did sublime don't usually interact much with our material world. But when they do they have such mastery of it that they may as well be gods. There's also room for infinite growth in the higher planes of existence so there is no limit to how advanced they can become.
The Culture doesn't trust the whole higher plane idea and prefers hedonism and 'helping out' lesser races.
I just looked it up and there's an autism wiki and it goes up to 30. Really goofy shit.
I already AM immortal you dumb fricks, but not because of some phony AI bullshit, but because of my own health. It's also a curse and my cross to bear. I am destined to walk this Earth until all the seas have dried up and it's all just a giant desert and I am alone, having learned the very secret of existence and left alone to ponder the purpose of humanity.
would the combine be considered type 4?
Yes seems like it, but it's funny they get mogged by simple humans who can invent teleportation
where do I start with Half-Life lore?
vid related
or you could, you know, play the games
Star Trek TNG introducing a Dyson sphere and never mentioning it again is wack. In the later Larry Niven Ringworld books every interstellar species is trying to get a piece of the amazing tech such an artifact implies and they're ready to go to war over it
Ringworld is fricking ridiculous.
To describe it's scale, you could fit the Imperium of Man on Ringworld (1 million worlds in the Imperium, Ringworld is 3 million times the surface area of Earth).
just so you know particle physics is a dead end and cern is some bs looking for a unicorn particle it hasn't found anything important ever and is a huge waste of time
we should probably look into ether physics or some other bs that was discarded in the late 1800's to early 1900's
It unironically should be for LONG space travel to a known planet is:
1. eggs and sperm frozen on ship
2. full AI robot ship crew that self cleans and self replicates in a factory indefinitely
2.5. travel the 1,000,000 year distance or whatever
3. Robots probe new planet on arrival to see if it is good for colonising
4. eggs and sperm IVF when only the ship reaches destination, teacher robots teach child everything and start growing food around this time.
5. aged up individuals are trained, and then allowed to colonise, the ship lands on the surface.
I don't think humans can conjure this shit thoughtbiet
the only thing we """can't""" do is propulsion
>teacher robots teach child everything
>kids turn autistic/insane from lack of human affection
Just replace skibidi toilet with a 4k of wholesome prerecorded OR AI dynamic screen teaching to teach all the fundementals
>full AI robot ship crew
>self replicates in a factory indefinitely
>travel the 1,000,000 year distance
>after a million years of travel and internal self evolution long since breaking whatever safeguards against it were in place the indefinitely self replicating AI robots are not your far superiors if they ever decide to wake more than a couple of you up to experiment on at all
Congratulations
yeah I don't see the average plebian small skull homosexual sapien pulling it off. But with AI now, we definitely can run 100,000 year simulations of such a situation into 5 minutes if we can code it and judge its survival rate.
Also I bet first gen humans would be engineered to not need normie tier socialising, and rather enjoy a more logical and learned upbringing, eg aspergers
>yeah I don't see the average plebian small skull homosexual sapien pulling it off.
You should put this at the end next time buddy so you're not exposing the hook right at the beginning like that.
kek
I wasnt meant to insult there.
Its more like what I project the people I see surrounding leadership in human race scientific direction and my expected predicted far future denominator value for such leadership in human ultimate endeavors (our infinite survival in the universe), (troublesome).
Understood, I, too, also have little to almost no faith in humanity or collective human nature on the whole left
The only thing that stood some chace of actually working would be an actively, constantly manned generational ship that was like a torus ship or something, or that one from Orville, where the fact that it was a ship was practically indetectable to the majority
Holy frick what a comfy thread
itt: midwit arguing
lmao @ dyson spheres
why would you care about harnessing the sun when, by that point, you have proper fusion or fission feasibility
>aim sun in a direction to move solar system where you want
>aim sun REALLY hard in a direction, btfo that planet
>use sun to make a super computer
Its fricking busted
This motherfricker going to tell me there's nothing sapient that isn't human when abos are considered human and I bet your ass your average dog is more intelligent than most abos
Frick outta here
Pls no bully
How long did you have to spend looking for a pic of a relatively "cute" one, because I've tried and it is very hard unless they're so mixed they're not recognizably abos anymore
t. Cumskin yeti
And?
>probability of the next post involving the words "chud" or "incel" or "reddit":80-90/95%
Lol lil ugly ass yt boy has been bullied so much he's already internalized the names
>bullied
Lol is that really what you think tossing meme insults around to "win" cause you're triggered at a post is?
You have to be 18 to use this website kid
>triggered
The only things triggered here are horsefaced Yakubians lmao
>Yakubians
Ok I laughed because you intended me to this time, you win
The yeti is an asian thing not a european thing
what would a "type 4" civilization entail?
Being able to harness the energy of an entire universe.
so you go from one galaxy for type 3 to two trillion galaxies for type 4?? you'd need decillions of humans
Anyone that thinks we should be investing more in space exploration over deep sea exploration has no idea how much cooler the seas are than space. There is fricking nothing up there for Lightyears on end. Whoever gets their shit together first and starts really exploiting the oceans will rake in billions like rainfall. All the shit you think we will find in space we actually can find here under the seas. Including undiscovered complex lifeforms. People are like "Lets go send robots to explore the ocean on Europa." how about we send a small army of men to explore the fricking Pacific you gayatron?
>All the shit you think we will find in space we actually can find here under the seas.
Holy shit there's a way to escape the sun expanding into a red giant and utterly obliterating the earth and any trace we even existed under the sea?
I totally agree they need more extensive exploration though, especially since all the ancient coastlines where most humans would have lived in ~~*[prehistory*~~ are all submerged
The deep sea is way more inhospitable and difficult to operate in than space, anon.
There's only a 1atm difference between the pressure inside a space ship and the void, while the pressure differential at the bottom of the sea is 500 times worse.
you don't have to send things down to the sea on a rocket where 99.9% of the mass is fuel
The truly smart man doesn't kill the bear if he doesn't have to he gives it a bottle of vodka and no reason to get pissed off at him
It's a weird signature
A what now?
Q. TNG
Lets pretend humanity builds a dyson sphere/swarm. How do you get that energy from the sphere to the rest of the planets? You can't run power cables, if the plan is to plug in batteries then carry those back home they'd need to be stupid huge as well. If you're going to get the energy wirelessly by beaming solar radiation then why build the stupid sphere in the first place, just build solar panels at home. If the plan is to focus the energy to super charge the panels at home you're going to melt everything your solar beam hits and solar panels don't like heat.
A space elevator
not only do we spend endless amounts of money and resources on taking care of moronic Black folk, they also cause an endless amount of suffering and death and destabilize society which further reduces technological progress
one of those white kids killed by Black folk could have invented something incredible, while those Black folk have zero chance of ever doing anything helpful for society
and of course the reason we have this Black person problem is because of israelites, if israelites didnt fill white countries with Black folk and they only existed in africa and we werent forced to use our resources on them then it wouldnt be much of an issue
Science fiction is inherently onions and bugman. Especially the idea that science and technology is a solution for most problems or somehow going to offset the flaws in human nature or misaligned incentives of society. Exploring human's inner worlds are far more interesting.
Correct. Reddit sci-fi like Star Trek and the culture series always has to start with humanity collectively deciding to stop acting like humans to work. And they always rely on magical technology which solves scarcity to justify it.
The Culture are aliens. They explicitly are not human.
science-fiction is about expanding frontiers to solve problems by acquiring more resources.
navelgazing is about how to be content with knowing that nothing is never going to improve and it's pointless to try.
sci-fi is the white man's genre. "exploring human's inner worlds" is the bugman's genre.
>science and technology is a solution for most problems
I like the kind of sci-fi where science or tech is the source of the problem
Whatever use for us they had if any, we wouldn't enjoy
The Kardashev scale is stupid and I don't like that it got popular. I'm also not sure why it got popular; sci-fi fans are usually more discerning. The tiers are too far apart and no one on Earth can properly conceptualize what it would mean to harness all the energy from a single star, let alone a galaxy. It's just "imagine god-like powers" from our standpoint which makes it useless even for wildly speculative purposes.
Fun Fact: the most difficult fish to keep in captivity are saltwater fish, they are ridiculously sensitive to small changes in the water's consistency and quality
The best way to keep them is in the largest tanks possible, since it's much more difficult to change an average in the water as a whole the greater its volume is, but it is still not impossible, you can still kill off a tank full
If you think about the possibility of even 1 species per galaxy, we could literally be surrounded by aliens all the time, and if the FTL/distance thing could never be worked out by any of them because it's simply impossible, none of them would ever know about any others
if generation ships are possible (maybe for some reason they're not, who knows), then even if it takes you thousands of years to reach another star, over billions of years of exponential growth, you still have these super-slow colonizers filling up entire galaxies in "no time" on a galactic scale
and you probably have von neumann probes showing up everywhere to prepare it for colonization.
Who knows if we'll ever even be enough to get so far as to want to do on a large enough collective scale to try
We'll only leave this planet if we survive Kali Yuga, and it's been a wild fricking ride so far
The b***h is everyone forgetting how to do anything and having to relearn it all over again from scratch, not having either the modern knowledge nor the previous, since the internet so much information and skills have already gotten regulated to being unnecessary to know, because everything is just a search away, people don't know how to do basic shit even like produce food
It'd be going back to the iron age in this vague way more resembling the N Sentinelese trying to work metal they salvaged from a ship with no idea wtf they're doing
Space isn't real