Why aren't more people pissed about the ending?
It's literal Genghis Khan tier with Paul taking a war-bride and cucking Chani
I expected this to be considered peak "toxic masculinity" or some shit
Why aren't more people pissed about the ending?
Why aren't more people pissed about the ending?
It's literal Genghis Khan tier with Paul taking a war-bride and cucking Chani
I expected this to be considered peak "toxic masculinity" or some shit
already read the book and dont have aphantasia.
You think people are paying attention to the story? Everyone is just there to watch the actors and the Loreal Ad tier visuals.
fricking this
i garantee you most normies have no idea what the spice is, what any of the characters names are except for timmothy's and zendaya, and are just there to watch the visuals
You sure eviscerated that strawman
it's just movie. i think you're taking it too seriously
It's a shoddy adaptation of the book and a snoozefest of a movie. Too many meme actors. Visuals Too dull. Bizarre deviations from the source material. I dont think people have been inspired enough by Dunc to get either mad or excited by what's in it. It's forgettable fare, like part 1.
>Bizarre deviations from the source material
Anything you can give away without spoiling? If not don't bother
NTA but Chani knew about the plan to marry Irulan and went along, she knew it was only political. The sequels shows that Paul don't give a shit about Irulan and make two kids with Chani.
In this Zendaya keeps her >:T face the whole time and goes alone into the desert in the end of the movie. Also she's some kind of atheist, makes no sense.
>Also she's some kind of atheist
Why do people keep saying this, or that the northern tribes are atheist? Nowhere in the movie did they spell out they don't believe in god.
Chani was just skeptical of Paul being a prophet, and the northern tribes were more "moderate" than the southerners, but not necessarily non-religious.
In the beginning yeah, but then she renounces the whole thing, even Stilgar says to her face. Also Stilgar arguing with Chani, that was so stupid. The Fremen are very loyal to each other, their tribe is their lifeline. A kid screaming this kind of bullshit to her father would be met with a fist or a knife in the books.
I think it's just to make the ending more of a cliffhanger, if they get to make the third movie they'll make a bit of drama out of it at the beginning and then follow the plot of the book.
>Chani inexplicably isn’t informed/isn’t aware that Irulan is window dressing to legitimize Paul’s claim.
>Count Fenring is now Sir Not Appearing In This Film, even though the Emperor suggests sending assassins after Paul. Countess Fenring does show up though, gets impregnated.
And probably the most egregious one that really fricking sucked:
>Removed Paul crying over Jamis’ body, changed the scene to a half-hearted imitation with his mother instead. Massively detracted from his later scenes with Jamis.
>Chani inexplicably isn’t informed/isn’t aware that Irulan is window dressing to legitimize Paul’s claim.
I actually really like this change. It adds more to the tragedy of the ending, and it sets up dune messiah.
>Count Fenring is now Sir Not Appearing In This Film, even though the Emperor suggests sending assassins after Paul. Countess Fenring does show up though, gets impregnated.
That scene with the countess was so well done.
>Removed Paul crying over Jamis’ body, changed the scene to a half-hearted imitation with his mother instead. Massively detracted from his later scenes with Jamis.
I don't think it detracted at all. Jamis being Paul's friend was established in the first movie.
>Jamis being Paul's friend was established in the first movie
i cant speak for the movie as i saw it once and blocked it from memory but in the book jamis is not a friend to paul, quite the opposite in fact he has a massive chip on his shoulder thinks hes the best around and gets salty when he bested by a woman so he demands a duel to the death he hates both paul and jessica and dies like a b***h
paul cries because its his first kill and the futility of the duel and jamis' death but the fremen interpret it as "giving water to the dead" a sign of utmost respect
Jamis is a "friend" to Paul because he saw him in countless visions of the alternate future where's he's his fremen mentor
The whole nature of Jamis as a character and his death is changed (Paul no longer becomes Usul by killing him, doesn’t inherit his family, etc.) but it’s not necessarily a bad thing. If they’d shown some visions of him playing the baliset, training Paul, etc., it would’ve been a good way to parallel Gurney for what they’re going for in the movie. But having Paul give water to the dead was an essential part of his character (both to the reader, and the Fremen) and I can’t fathom changing it into what they did.
I can live with the Chani change, I just think it means the writers will need to do some more (and unneeded) heavy lifting script changes, which-
-would have been better served, IMO, utilizing Count Fenring more in the Shaddam scenes- and most importantly- in the kanly duel on Arrakis. Show us Paul confused- and even afraid- of the sudden appearance of this ‘invisible’ man. As heavy-handed as it might have been, let them have a moment of the telepathic (though I think this is meant to be subtle body language ‘speaking’) Bene Gesserit communication as they come to understand that they’re two roots of the Golden Path—but Paul is the only one that can sprout the tree of humanity’s future.
For Jamis, sure, it was established in the first film. So why not keep the scene from the book? It cements the relationship, and the subsequent visions are weaker for its absence. I don’t think Paul cries over Jamis even in the private moments in the film, as far as I can recall.
I'm still mad that Villeneuve did NOTHING to set up Dr. Yueh's motivations for betraying the Atreides. He doesn't understand character development.
>just develop this background character whose exposition is done entirely mentally in a several hundred page book
The line about his wife after paralyzing the Duke is fine. You don't any more than that and nobody would give a shit. Trimming the fat for a film is essential to make a Dune adaptation work, see Lynch's movie for examples on what not to do
This shit is wild. I just got out of the movie. Completely the opposite. The only problem I had were a few editing qualms.
that moment of Paul taking the water was so abrupt wasn't it?
>Fine I'll head south with everyone
>except we actually left that one chick behind
>ok we're all heading south together
>except I, Paul, got there first and much earlier than everyone else
>then Chani comes in on an aircraft we didn't ever see her get into, so much later that hundreds of people congregated
Paul diverted off from the course to the meeting sietch to visit the temple instead, and take the water of life.
Try and keep up, anon-kun.
It was weird that Zendaya’s friend was still at Tabir though.
They left her as a spy which was stated in the movie but the while scene was kinda pointless
I assumed the spy line was just Harkonnen cope and that the unstated reason she was there was just to Kill Harkonnens.
Which still leaves me confused as to why she didn’t got south, since it’s not exactly hard logic to grasp in that more warriors with you=more dead Harkonnens.
Then again, maybe she was just having a woman moment.
Honestly spy makes more sense to me, fremen are relatively low tech so leaving random spies to observe the movement of enemy troops seems like something they would do. She just fricked up and got caught.
Ah I missed that, makes sense. Excited to see how much more I'll catch in a rewatch.
its honestly just hollywoods replacement for star wars thats why there betting all there chips on this and trying are gonna turn it into a franchise
Denis is only on for one more. But WB is behind it so you just know Zaslav and his cronies are gonna try and milk it dry even after he leaves
It's not going to be a franchise, when the only reason people even watch it is to see a Villeneuve film.
Roasties in my cinema were complaining about it
>ohmagerd, so typical MALE bullshit to just take her as his bride, what if she doesn't want omggg
don't care give me a magnet
Why is no one complaining about the awful overbearing soundtrack that ruined the film?
I just watched it, it was kino
The soundtrack was shit.
Still this is one of those movies you have to watch at cinemas from the worm riding scene.
because it was good
Just walked out of my cinema. First film is better. Visually this one is great. But this is where Villeneuve abandons the book. On the one habd i am glad he finished the book. Because i thought for a second there we were being setup for a part 3. I would say this one is good not great.
Why /tv would hate on this slop is beyond me. It's literally a movie about the white saviour.
I'm pissed because Chani didn't sperg out in the books, if that counts.
> Only like 6 months between Harkonnen invasion & end
> Paul & Chani don't have a son
> Alia not born yet, so can't kill baron & be "st. alia of the knife"
> Paul doesn't get Jamis' wife
> No Chani + Harah / Chani + Irulan / Jessica + Leto concubine parallels
> Muh "fremen men and women are equal"
> Muh angry athiest Chani
> No Gurney trying to kill Jessica cuz he thinks she was the traitor
> No Thufir
> No Count Fenring
Don't forget that the Spacing Guild is omitted and Paul's threat of nuking the spice fields is called out as a bluff (and it is a total bluff in the movie since he doesn't follow through)
>Paul's threat of nuking the spice fields is called out as a bluff
The whole point is the Guild members are able to use their prescience to know that he isn't fricking bluffing frick this stupid hack
>Paul threats to nuke the spice fields to save himself
>People call it bullshit
>He goes on to actually nuke the spice fields
>House frickers are mad and kill his ass
vs
>Paul doesn't nuke the spice fields
>House frickers are still angry and kill his ass
What was the point of such a shitty threat?
Because the price of not losing spice is merely kneeling. It's preferable to losing it.
it doesn't matter what the houses think. they are completly powerless if they attack Dune because then the Guild will strand them there and side with Paul
They can kill Paul for starting shit up. Their options are
>Join Paul in war and die from Jihad
>Attack Paul, Spice gets nuked and die stranded in the desert
>Attack Paul, Spice doesn't get nuked, avoid full scale war
It's a game of chicken. If they attack they get the best possible outcome. For both attacking and not attacking they risk death.
>> Muh angry athiest Chani
>> No Thufir
I could live with most of that but these are the worst offenders. The entire fremen society is supposed to be infused with religious fanaticism and the Thufir scene in the book where he and a group of survivors barter safe passage with a group of fremen and they watch them take out a squad of Sardaukar is amazing. I wish they kept it. It shows Fremen martial prowess and how fanatical they really are
>It shows Fremen martial prowess and how fanatical they really are
If only this were demonstrated in a hundred other scenes
He just said the movie makes half of them atheist
How many atheist fremen do you actually see in the movie compared to how many fanatical fundamentalists? A handful versus millions
They make it pretty clear that it's supposed to be a regional division where the northerners are secular and the southerners are religious. The discrepancy is more that the only northerners we really get to see are the people from Sietch Tabr and then they make a point about how the Harkonnens have been wiping out the northerners and don't even know the southerners exist.
To be honest, they looked pretty unimpressive during that attack on the spice crawler early on where a whole bunch of them get mowed down by a single ornithopter gunner.
Notable for being the one, single moment in all the battle scenes in which they weren't utterly dominant
Yeah, it was a pretty jarring scene.
>If only this were demonstrated in a hundred other scenes
No because we need to show the Harkonnes KILLING ANOTHER THRALL FOR NO REASON. In the books they are evil to the point of being cartoonish, but never this stupid.
It's bizarre that they conjure up this whole division between secular Fremen and fundamentalist Fremen, but it doesn't seem to have any purpose beyond throwing shade at Paul's arc and making Chani seethe throughout the whole fricking movie.
Probably they were trying to get ahead of the complaints about Islamophobia since it was written in 2018/2019 back when liberals actually cared about that.
But hey, a least we got Feyd doing the Gom Jabar and becoming the Anti Paul. Also that knife to the shoulder, ffs.
>I shall bend like the reed in the wind
Nah, nepobabytwinkhomosexual Paul must bleed so the audiences will care.
There's at least 9 months you moron and realisticly 1-2 years. Alia is born by the end of the movie but Dennis kept her off screen for the ending
I didn’t watch it because the first one sucks so bad.
Because nobody watched it.
The movie hasn't even had a wide release yet
yes it has moron
we aren't all favela porch monkeys like you
Did you miss the point of Zendaya face at the end? Movie is not subtle at the fact that Paul is le bad and evil white male along with his mama
The usage of the word fundamentalist was fricking moronic in the movie. You've already set the southern tribes to be religious, so just call them southern tribes when you want to call them fundamentalist or use the word fanatical.
You mean the princess? That was so he could marry into house corrino. There was not sex.
Movie doesn't explain that though, paul lets his sandmutt girl go for the corrino girl
Yes it does. They talk about how it would be a political marriage.
Bros how hot is Rebecca Ferguson in this? And Lea Seydoux? Idgaf about Dune but I'll see it for them.
Lea Seydoux has a lot of clothes in this, but she's pretty hot anyway, especially her seduction scene is good. Rebecca is pregnant, but still decently cute. Sadly not much incest vibes in this one.
>not much incest vibes in this one
not between Jessica and Chalamet, yes.
Ferguson less hot than 1 since her fave gets tatted up, seydoux extremely hot
>seydoux
she looks like a veteran boxer
they both wear burqas for almost the entire thing
It's 2024 Jihad is woke
By the end he comes off as a bad guy and it's underlined more than in the Lynch adaptation
Also most people watching I think already have read the book and the whole thing is pretty tame compared to the source material. The ones who haven't read it probably saw it as some kind of surprise downer ending similar to ROTS.
There's a scene at night I think, where they go fight the Harkonnens on Arrakis, and the lighting made the CG look so bad
I think it was a bird's eye shot panning over the city while slowly zooming into Gurney where he go fights Rabban
Some of the aerial shots were weird and made the set look almost chintzy.
I think most of the shots looked fine, except that one, the orange light at night made it look like it came right out of the 90s
Nobody watches this boring Pos
Low effort bait
>emperor of mankind
>travel relies on navigators instead of computers
This shit is just 40k but garbage
obvs bait
Zenayda's an ugly talentless cuck who's clearly fricking her way through Hollywood to keep getting work in spite of having no talent ala Jennifer Lawrence so watching her character get told to frick off by Paul as he takes a white woman as a bride AND the film cutting the part where Paul openly humiliates the Emperor's daughter by telling EVERYONE that their marriage will be a sham political marriage where he refuses to frick her or show her any love while still showering Chani with affection and having her be the mother of any future kids and his mom telling her "frick wives, we prostitutes win!", is cathartic.
Because it's a criticism of messianic figures and their power over people. How did you not get that? They overly spell it out throughout the movie. The ending is a tragedy. They even changed Chani's character from the book to hammer it in.
It's very much framed as a bad thing, both for the universe at large and Paul and Chani's relationship, idiot
Fret not, here's an audiovisual guide on the ending
more like audiovisual terror
Channi is half foreigner in the book but I think Dennis forgot that
>Channi is half foreigner in the book
her father liet kynes was half foreigner and had chani with a fremen woman like his father pardot kynes married a fremen
so chani is 3/4 fremen
>muh strong black female independant liet kynes
this makes me angry at all the stupid changes dennis made for no reason whatsoever fricking hack
Honestly so happy they kept that in.
You know if this was a Netflix show or something they'd have had some scene humiliating Paul as some repudiation of the book. Or have Paul get "cucked" instead.
This movie was very based, surprised Cinemaphile hates it.
In the books, he only has sex with Chani which angers both Irulan and the Bene Gesserit especially when Paul says he'll give Irulan a child but only through in vitro insemination.