Why can't Americans nail Godzilla movies?
 CRIME Shirt $21.68 |
 Tip Your Landlord Shirt $21.68 |
CRIME Shirt $21.68 |
Why can't Americans nail Godzilla movies?
Why can't Americans nail Godzilla movies?
CRIME Shirt $21.68 |
Tip Your Landlord Shirt $21.68 |
CRIME Shirt $21.68 |
Do weebs actually take this shit seriously? Kaiju trash is sub-capeshit tier.
Yes. Its a cultural touchstone for them.
For the rest of us Godzilla was alway corny, lame, and actually fricking boring-- which is pathetic given the premise.
Nip movies are low budget and kinda amateurish for the most part. They are also sincere. Nothing in Hollywood is sincere. Nothing.
>Godzilla (2014)
>Skull Island
>Godzilla, King of the Monsters
>Godzilla vs Kong
all kinography
Cringe
Based Monsterverse and Showa enjoyer.
>Showa
easily worst era, Heisei on the other hand
Imagine Tang Dynasty Godzilla though.
Heisei is edgy tryhard shit, Showa is fun and has soul.
Showa is low budget slop that cemented movies with monsters in them as “b movies” for decades. Heisei saved Godzilla and made him who he is today. Before that Godzilla was a joke.
I like jokes!
I’m not saying you’re wrong for liking them but the premise is so ridiculous I can’t enjoy it unless it’s taking itself seriously. I like physicists trying to analyze Godzilla’s biology and trying to find ways to destroy him and shit like that, not kooky aliens and power rangers tag matches and shit.
>Heisei made Godzilla who he is today.
You have no idea how right that is.
Basically ever facet of the series can be traced back to when Tomoyuki Tanaka rewatched the original and decided the Showa movies were a mistake.
To be fair the directors wanted children in the audience mostly, and they didn’t look at their films through an ironic/sarcastic lens that a lot of westerners look at the Showa stuff
They cared about their films, they were just poorly done. Nowadays young fans like to point at these films in comparison to the American ones and go “SEE?! THIS 165 MILLION DOLLAR MOVIE IS SUPPOSED TO BE JUST LIKE STUPID SLOP”
The Showa movies were good, just not in the braindead way
As a kid being given VHS tapes of Godzilla movies on Christmas and shit I always hated the ones with “baby Godzilla” what I meant was the showa movies with the shitty costume and tiny spikes and pug face. I still said thank you to my grandma when she gave me Godzilla vs Gigan on VHS and the cover looked cool but i checked the back and saw “baby Godzilla” and knew it was gonna suck.
Heisei was also low budget slop with lackluster beam fights and clumsy attempts at copying whatever Hollywood was doing lately. Not to say they aren't still fun movies, but they really dropped off in quality after Ghidorah.
SpaceGodzilla is like you say, but still good, and I’m actually not a fan of Biollante or 1985, thoughever the rest of the ‘90s movies are the best Godzilla media there is. My favorite continuity is watch the original, skip to Godzilla vs King Ghidorah (1991) and watch from there as one canon.
Until like the late 60s Toho effects films was on part with most Hollywood sci fi movie except for the select few tenpole ones like The War of the Worlds and it was certainly bigger than 99% of movies outside of the biggest studios. And their war movies were even more expensive. Tsuburaya got for Toho (well actually for himself but Toho could use it too) an optical printer that no other studio in the world besides Disney and them had.
You say that as if hollywood didn't cheap the frick out on sci fi themselves until star wars boosted the popularity of the genre massively
Showa and Heisei both have the same trajectory, solid early movies, middling latter movies, then end the series with a great new villain and a standout movie that's better than the last few.
the latter half of showa aside from a couple standouts sucked ass with how rushed out and blatantly cheaped out they are
Heisei is good but Showa is far better.
Marvel MCU wannabes with bad cgi. That’s the monsterverse.
The running theme with every monsterverse movie is "I can't fricking stand these humans, show more monsters"
Except for Bryan Cranston and Kyle Chandler, every single other human is a drag. I'm watching a Godzilla movie to see the Big G beat the frick out of other giant CGI monsters, I don't fricking care about your broken family, or your deranged mother, or your bossy c**t daughter
idk I literally like the human casts of every movie, especially Skull Island and Millie
She was tolerable in KOTM, but I just fricking hated her smugness in GVK
tbh recurring characters in a Godzilla movie goes a long way with me. I literally liked the fat Black person who was a schizo conspiracist but literally every single thing he said in the movie was completely right, except maybe bio-microchips that are on his skin that he bathes with bleach to remove but whatever I literally like the cast the more I think about it. I like Millie’s dad. Whoever that actor is he’s great. I loved how much he hated Godzilla in KOTM.
I wish Charles Dance's character had been back, I always like him. And yeah, Kyle Chandler did a great job, shame they did fricking nothing with him in GVK
I kind of thought Charles Dance was gonna show up later in a Godzilla vs “insert monster” movie.
>He shows back up again, this time having gotten his hands on the Oxygen Destroyer plans
>Leading into this motherfricker showing up
That would be complete and utter kino, now that I think of it
>godzilla viewers try not to devalue the genre: impossible mode
I’m sorry your bar is this low, but monster movies can actually have interesting characters that elevate the monster action
>but monster movies can actually have interesting characters that elevate the monster action
They can. They always can
But they don't, and that's the fricking problem
Yeah. Agreed. The way people argue for this slop is aggravating though.
At least the series with Kurt Russel was cool. The next film desperately needs a new director and style to keep it fresh. I hate comparing it to marvel but man, it really does just feel like capeshit now
This is the most criminally underrated movie of all time if you can get around the somewhat hokey acting that I actually think is great at times, and somewhat cheesy effects.
Yeah I love these kinds of films. Gwangi is really neat too, there’s not a whole lot like it
Gwanji has 10/10 artisan special effects but what makes Last Dinosaur good is the subtext, not just this dude hunting a dinosaur.
This movie is based, and frick anyone who says otherwise. Two songs to this gem!
Your age is showing. It's okay. You're young. One day you'll understand.
>kinda amateurish
b***h stfu.
Japan couldn't even nail the sequel for this Duology.
Godzilla exists because America dropped the bombs. Making a movie that "gets" Godzilla is like admitting guilt
Godzilla 1998 nailed, you simply refuse to see it.
>Serious story about a large creature born from radiation attacks a giant city, and can't be stopped by conventional military thinking
It's literally the same as the best of the Japanese movies, and got Toho's approval for development and production, they never "hated" it the way people want you to think. It's just a good reimagining of Godzilla's core ethos, how radiation could birth a monster that defies all known paradigms. It's a great movie, and anyone who says otherwise, doesn't understand Godzilla.
>runs away from humans for the entire movie like a b***h
Not Godzilla.
>runs away from humans
Yes, this is clearly docile and submissive behavior, and not Godzilla utterly wrecking the military.
I love this design.
Same.
My brothers
98 Chads, the future is bright. Can't wait to get my Spiral Studio figure. There are more and more of us everyday, and someday we'll be appreciated for what we are.
We're gonna make it.
>Victory ROAAAAR!!!
Even though Zilla was scanned from the toy, it's such a weird design in motion.
Because it's bad CGI, it's a cinematic equivalent of "I drew you as a basedjack"
>zilla is either fat or a lanklet
We need a happy medium.
As "Godzilla" it's not a great design, but as its own monster "Zilla" it's pretty solid.
He can't tank the hits, he has to dodge and weave and sneak around the subways for some hecking epic subversion of a cat and mouse game where the mouse is 200 feet long. No nuclear powers beyond just being big, like the giant animal monsters America was shitting out in the 50s. As much as people bring up Beast from 20,000 Fathoms with this movie, the whole reproduction plot is just the ending of Them without the flamethrowers.
>No nuclear powers beyond just being big
Going by Animated series canon, the flame actually comes from him, and even then it's still is supposed to be a "methan-like" "power-breath attack." I think it's fair to say he actually does have a breath attack, between all that and promo and concept art like this.
idk what you guys are talking about, Godzilla breathes fire in two different scenes in ‘98. Once I think early on against the army guys chasing him, he whirls around and blasts them. Then in the end when the heroes are escaping in the taxi he tries to blast them but he just destroys the block and they take a quick turn or something.
He doesn't actually create the fire, that's just a belch causing a car to explode.
Bro on the box the action figures came in Godzilla had “tornado roar” and “atomic fire” even equipped with a little fireball that snapped into his mouth and if you pressed a spike it fired out. I’m not gonna sit here and let literal redditors gaslight me into believing Godzilla is belching on cars the whole movie and not breathing fire. Go frick yourself.
Both the merch and even cartoon refer to it as a power breath iirc. Jr's was just green and more potent.
>idk what you guys are talking about
Basically, in the original script, Godzilla didn't have a traditional breath attack, he would roar and blast wind from his lungs to flip tanks, and it was called his "power breath attack." This didn't test well with audiences, so the two scenes where he breaths fire were late additional reshoots. In that script revision, it's specified that it's a "methane like power breath," and
. But one of the scenes looks like the fire starts in his mouth and it's easy to interpret it like you and I did, in addition to the Animated Series canonizing that interpretation, in addition to promotional art showing such. Hence why the bitter "fans" of 98 say he doesn't have powers, despite the fact that he does.
As a fan of the toys you’re wrong. Godzilla had a “tornado roar” which was a completely different attack than his “atomic fire.” Godzilla even uses the tornado roar a few times in the movie in separate scenes from when he uses his breath, like when he roars down the alleyway and sends all those taxis and shit flying. Maybe in reshoots or rewrites he didn’t breathe fire for some reason but in the final version he definitely did. It would be stupid if he didn’t.
Plus the cartoon. And IMO the cartoon Godzilla has the coolest blast charge up. Instead of all the spikes glowing at once his tail starts glowing in one spot and it shoots up his back until his eyes glow then the blast comes out and it makes a rad sound effect.
>Toho doesn't hate the movie
>Toho doesn't hate the money
I will eat that lizard
I mean yeah, that's why they ultimately signed off on the 98 design, they just wanted the damn project to get going after the DeBont version fell apart. Emmerich had to wait a day before hearing he got the go-ahead from Toho because the design was too radically different to make minor adjustments without just starting over again, so Toho just went frick it and let it go out.
This show fricks, aside from that weird dark brown palette all the Sony Animation shows used.
Toho only signed off because Jean Reno was going to be in it. Japan considers him a sex symbol for some reason.
It's a weird reverse-pedo thing
Leon was a good movie.
Jean Reno is a cool guy, Japan is right
>reverse pedo
It's literally because of Leon.
Speaking of pedos
Honestly if they had said that this is a remake of beast from 20000 fathoms, I would not mind it as much. The beast from that movie was not an invulnerable, fire breathing icon of cinema, so Zilla would have been a better representation of it.
But Godzilla was basically a Japanese remake of Beast from 20,000 fathoms, the two have a lot in common.
And I think Godzilla being the iconic name it is is worthy of bearing the title to a remake of those similarities.
Well, Godzilla may have been somewhat inspired by Beast, but the smiliarities are surface level. It's like saying that other alien invasion stories copied war of the worlds. Of course they did. It was a genre pioneering book.
The two have the "pre-historic monster awoken by a nuke" thing in common but Gojira added an entire emotional and thematic subplot about Serizawa and his weapon, and treated the monster attack and the nuclear element very seriously. I almost feel like Beast was also supposed to be radioactive, but censors changed the cause of troops collapsing from it's blood, to a disease being unleashed.
I wouldn't go that far, but I do think it's very overhated. It doesn't feel like a typical Toho Godzilla movie at all, it's more of a 90s Hollywood take on 50s giant monster movies like The Beast From 20,000 Fathoms and Godzilla 1954. It's enjoyable if you watch it as more of its own thing, which it really is. This isn't "Godzilla", it's "American Godzilla."
It's an objectively dumb movie but I can never hate it considering how many times I watched it as a kid. Also it's like the apotheosis of Emmerich schlock kino.
As a kid I actually watched some of the Heisei and Millennium movies on DVD before I saw 98, and I was excited when I finally got to see what the American Godzilla was like. Enjoyed it then and still enjoy it now tbh, it's not a poorly-made movie.
I watched this movie so many times on VHS as a kid. I remember it had an ad for the animated show and I wanted to watch it so bad but I was watching this in like 2006 so it wasn’t on tv. Finally pirated the show yesterday and will finally watch it..as a 26 year old
Because all of Godzilla's charm comes from how he's a guy in a suit and Hollywood refuses to make these films that way, probably because they think it's cheesy. But somehow making actors wear leotards with tennis balls on them for motion capture is fine.
It's because realism in special effects and animation is the only thing that matters to the American normie audience. A CGI model with detailed skin and musculature is more acceptable then a rubber suit, an animatronic, or a puppet to the flock of sheep, no matter how much they want to use "Practical effects" as a marketing gimmick for the genre film enthusiasts.
Note the integrated knee-pads.
Godzilla comes from a specific place of cultural anxiety that America doesn't have.
They try (sometimes) to retrofit different themes onto it, but it generally doesn't work.
You're mythologizing it too much. Like you don't know the series.
What the hell are you talking about? There are four of these movies not and they fall somewhere on the list with the rest of Godzilla movies except not in top like G54, MvG, Minus One etc would you only count them if they were absolutely the best Godzilla movies?
They're just Godzilla movies like any other. Maybe not GVK and GxK because they're Kong movies with some Godzilla because Wingard has a bias.
The bias is making a lot of money, which means you emphasize Kong, who has a larger audience.
Godzilla is more popular. If he does everything to Kong and nothing to Godzilla it's simply unfair to compare the two. Godzilla has maybe one important scene. Wingard lies about caring about Godzilla.
The worst thing about the American films is what they did to mothra. The edgelord mantis shit and changing her wings is the poorest fricking decision
The whole point of battra was to look like this in comparison to mothra’s features
They also make her way too small.
I look like Battra irl
Mothra has to rush her transformation or something. She can be a bit bigger but sadly we haven't seen her grow that much in the movies. But we know she can change her appearance. She's barely in the new movie but because of her Godzilla gets his one and only character moment when they're both getting kinda sweet for each other for a moment and Junkie nearly murders the moment with his music.
They wanted to make her more of a fighter without having to make her reliant on shitting out a bunch of lasers like the Heisei versions.
Honestly this is kind of a shitty excuse. The whole movie kept amping up over and over to the point where the pacing destroyed any amount of tension
They could’ve easily just let her use hurricane winds, beams and stuff without ruining her iconic look. The larvae was an even greater offender. Looks like absolute dog shit
She looks like a giant wienerroach. And they shrink wrapped her. Made her some anorexic piece of shit with no weight.
They need to use the ‘98 design for “Godzilla Jr.” like the Destroyah movie but instead of a Godzilla copy just give him the ‘98 look.
Or make it a subspecies like in the Netflix trilogy
a subtle distinction but frick that, frick retconning the ‘98 Godzilla to not being Godzilla
I agree, anon, but it's the only way we can get him in a movie if they refer to him as Zilla.
They put 98 Godzilla in a movie and it was unambiguously as a diss
And yet Toho moved on from that flop of a movie and its shitty treatment of Hedorah and other beloved monsters.
Isn't your precious Spiral Studio figure being marketed as just Zilla?
They received backlash for that. Toho is okay with both names when it comes to profiting from him.
>They received backlash for that.
Yeah, from Twitter trannies
Yeah that was gay final wars sucks. Let me backpedal, I hated it when it came out because it wasn’t a serious movie and more of some cringe montage/highlights of the franchise like Avemgers Endgame but in hindsight it’s alright.
It was cool at the time because it was kind of a sendoff and just for the last fans left who cared at the time. I think there were like nine or ten years without any Godzilla films.
It was pretty cheesy at parts but when they revealed the concept art of gigan and monster X everyone flipped their shit. It was really cool.
And GMK had the "People thought that lizard that attacked New York was Godzilla when it definitely wasn't" line that played into that recurring plot thread of "The 1954 attack was memoryholed so hard that most Japanese normies don't even know what Godzilla looks like".
>decent box office
>good reviews even from many of the critics (most of them actually recognizes that it's not trying to be Minus One)
>the budget was pretty reasonable
Wow do I love it? Not really. I want them to make more movies but without Wingard. I don't want another Kong movie for the third time in a row. He only pretends to give a shit about Godilla.
Don't forget the most important thing
A NEW COMPOSER!!!!
FRICK JUNKIEXL
WHY DOES HE PHONE IT IN, ON THE MONSTERVERSE AND SONIC FILMS
FOR FRICK SAKE MAN
The random fricking hip hop trash man. I have no idea what the frick they were thinking
And what the frick did they do to mothras song?
walmart version like Godzilla's
For all of Hollywood's diversity and ESG agenda, just once I would like to hear Mothra's song sung by an actual Indonesian.
They literally only put “mothra” in the latest movie because their made up monster tested poorly. They don’t give a shit about the history of these characters unironically.
Citation? I hadn't heard that. Wasn't Mothra shown in the teaser at comic con after 2014 that announced the sequel?
No I mean in this latest film, Godzilla x Kong
The original monster she is replacing was called Fosphera
Mothra was there originally but changed out for Fosphera to be cheaper but audiences hated it so they brought mothra back. Fosphera was just a cheap knockoff off mothra anyway.
It's possible that Mothra was there from the beginning and Fosphera was just a placeholder to keep her a secret but we don't know. They clearly animated a scene of her and Godzilla having a gentle scene together but it's only one thing so maybe they could've managed to animate it.
It's also unknown if the movie started as a Kong solo movie because Godzilla is sidelined hard but interviews point towards Wingard just not giving a shit about Godzilla.
> but interviews point towards Wingard just not giving a shit about Godzilla.
Examples?
They always say this but then you look up interviews with Wingard and he's always gushing about liking Godzilla as a kid and he's been hanging with Yamazaki. He seems pretty passionate about Godzilla, versus the attitude's of the directors of 98 and 2014 who clearly didn't like the series very much.
It never goes beyond him saying this shit and in the movies Godzilla is like an unwanted child. He said he considers Kong the only main character and that he didn't give Godzilla a story. His interviews with Empire, Gizmodo and to lesser degree Hollywood Reporter show that he's not going to change his approach. He doesn't give Godzilla anything. He's the one who keeps wasting this character. I don't give a crap that he liked Godzilla vs. Hedorah if in the movie Godzilla is in the background not doing anything important.
>in the movies Godzilla is like an unwanted child
Except the main plot of Godzilla vs Kong is about Godzilla trying to fight Mechagodzilla, and the Stranger Things girl investigating Mechagodzilla.
Having King Kong in the movie didn't mean Godzilla was "neglected." The only time Godzilla was being ignored was in the first Monsterverse movie, but everyone admits they fricked up with that.
Kong had the story in GVK. This was the exact same thing as in the new movie. Kong is the emotional center, Godzilla is the muscle. While he didn't have a lot of screentime for most of the 2014 movie he was still central to the plot. They didn't have everything figured out back then but the central idea was that some people believed that Godzilla was a benevolent creature and at the end they were proven right.
KotM was the first to fully use Godzilla as a monster-protagonist. Something that Wingard says can't be done.
>kong has a humans running around plotline
>godzilla has the mechagodzilla plotline and a humans running around plotline
They both had a story in GvK, in 2014 the story was about those Muto things and Godzilla was basically a cameo that popped up occasionally.
>His interviews with Empire, Gizmodo and to lesser degree Hollywood Reporter
I'm glad someone finally named actual articles, I'll check them out.
He said Kong is the main character of the entire franchise, how you can empathize with him unlike Godzilla and just generally kept talking about his approach to the monsters and how much he was able to do with Kong.
He gives nothing to Godzilla. He doesn't give a shit beyond like a token action scene here and there. He invented a new problem that Dougherty didn't have. Dougherty let Godzilla be a character with a story. Wingard said he can't do it. He's shit. If he directs another one Godzilla will be a background character. How many moments does Godzilla have in the new movie? Like 2-3. How many meaningful actions important to the plot? Fricking one.
>how you can empathize with him unlike Godzilla
He's right, because Toho mandated that Legendary can't humanize Godzilla.
Wingard so far has been the only Monsterverse director to actually try to slip in some personality from Godzilla instead of making him an emotionless monster.
Bullshit. None of the Toho mandates were real. They're all urban legends. In the interview with Hollywood Reporter Wingard said that Toho gave them a lot of creative freedom and only sometimes stepping in to say that something was out of character for Godzilla. Clearly Godzilla can emote and express complex feelings. And he can have an arc. MV proves it can be done but the difference is that Wingard either doesn't give a shit enough to do it or doesn't know how because he sucks so much.
>MV proves it can be done but the difference is that Wingard either doesn't give a shit enough to do it
The only Monsterverse movies that have tried are Wingard's.
He was loosely connected with the Peter Jackson film, and almost directed something related to that production hell. He mentioned in a way where it's clearly something he thinks about, which is probably why he feels so biased to Kong.
I think he used to prefer Godzilla but then he made this new Kong basically from scratch and it's "his" monster. I think he only likes to talk about his memories regarding Toho Godzilla but has no heart for Legendary version because he can't project some kind of Conan the Barbarian/Kratos/80s action star shit on him. He's wasting this character. He's wasting him.
theres nothing to suggest that was the case other than an unknown monster being on a toy box and some random poster saying they the movie with finished cgi like 9 months, which isn't even possible
the characters are touching a Mothra egg in the trailer, when did these reshoots happen?
>Godzilla's first on screen kiss or something to that effect
>it's not with Kong
Suck it, yaoi frickheads.
I hate when people refer to Godzilla as "the big G". I don't know why it irks me so much.
>He's big
>His name starts with G
I literally don't see a problem here, you might just be autistic
It's cringe, I hate it. Just call him Godzilla.
>Godzilla Earth
Some good taste in this thread, wow
I wouldn't say GOOD taste, the movies are inarguably pretty shit
But they do have some highlights. Godzilla, for one, Void Ghidorah, the twins, even Metphies is pretty neat
I'd sell my best friend into slavery to get the prequel novels animated.
I hear this often regarding the netflix movies. are the novels really that much better than three movies? should i watch them?
>Nuking a mountain range into dust in a desperate attempt to stop Godzilla
>Godzilla going through monsters like it's Final Wars
>Godzilla blowing up a fricking moon sized meteor
>My boy Gigan working for the good guys this time Yeah, I know the Bilusaludo are c**ts, good is relative when Godzilla Earth is involved
It would be pretty fricking sweet
going through monsters like it's Final Wars
I found it pretty funny how Angurius, Varan and Baragon fled continents to get away from him but still got one shot once he cornered them
That Godzilla movie trilogy is up there among the best Godzilla shit ever made.
If nothing else, it gave us the reality breaking Void Ghidorah, and i'm all for that
Plus the twins are great, shame Haruo couldn't stop being a sped and just settle down, maybe have the Vulture and Yuko's body fly to Godzilla while he stayed and made more moth babies
I really like how it was the angry looking twin he impregnated. I REALLY like that.
That's the kind of subversion I like. Both of them are QTs, but Maina is the cuter one
>That ending
Christ on a cross I forgot how batshit that was. I had such high hopes for it after I enjoyed City on the Edge of Battle so much (Best thing about the anigoji stuff... and maybe the novel).
Why couldn't the humans just land on a completely different side of the planet to avoid Godzilla Filius?
>Could have lived and plowed Moth Pussy until he died
>Instead he couldn't stop being an angry tard so he committed suicide by Godzilla
>Decades later he's known as a God of Wrath
It really is a fricking weird ending
Dude, he did his fair share of plowing, at least one of the twins was pregnant in the end and he fricked both of them over the course of the trilogy.
Just fricking repopulate the Hotua, don't stop halfway
I found to be weird. Humanity and the bug people can no longer progress, and have just live with nature in those caves otherwise Godzilla will come for them again. All other kaiju wiped out too.
It was a little bleak and bittersweet to be absolutely sure.
Feels like all the Reiwa series ended like that.
>Shin Godzilla is only temporarily incapacitated, once he reactivates the UN will hurl a nuke at them and make things worse
>Godzila Earth won over humanity and they live under his rule forever
>Godzilla Ultima will keep returning until it fully integrates with the human world and terraforms it
>Minus Goji rapidly recovering after blowing up and will be back in like a month at the rate he was regenerating to torment Japan
how is Singular Point? at least that looks mostly 2D. i really hated the look of 3d CGI godzilla movies and the gamera show
It was fricking sick dude. I was tripping absolute sac during it and it was absolutely wild.
I found it good and fun to watch. Had to watch it twice to fully comprehend the plot. However, it's mainly just 2D. 3D sometimes for the kaiju.
Listening to those characters analyze shit and crunch numbers and do whatever they were doing with such fast-paced nearly nonstop dialogue I felt like a fricking moron while watching it. You need to have 170IQ to be able to get what’s going on in that show but doesn’t matter it was kino.
How did you feel about Jet Jaguar's design. I really liked it. More than the Showa version
Looked sick. I like how the computer turned out to be Jet Jaguar the whole time, idk if I just missed that part at the beginning but when it was revealed later was like whaaaaaat
The whole series being a prequel to a world where kaiju are common entities living among them is what surprised me. Shame we'll never see more
I’m holding out for S2…
You're stronger than me
The 3D stuff also always bothers me, especially in gamera, but it was easy to ignore in this because the show was just so good.
My wiener. Also no it was kino how he took humanity’s destructive past to his grave to start anew + at the same time he was kind of obligated to because his horrible hatred for Godzilla and humanity or whatever frickery is what allowed Ghidorah to spawn in the first place, some weird fufiling prophecy of belief in God making God real, or whatever. Plus him getting killed by Godzilla is made it mega kino.
>Way he fits on that size chart
>Every Godzilla movie saying it was going to have the biggest Godzilla this time
Godzilla Earth is too big for a regular Godzilla movie. In those movies the Earth is a scorched waste so Godzilla is just standing in the middle of thousands of miles of craters and canyons and foliage made of razor blades. If Godzilla Earth took one step Manhattan or Tokyo or whatever would be obliterated instantly.
He deserves it. The planet belongs to him and his kin alone. It's why that mothra egg is never hatching or he will come for it.
People started doing it like 50 years ago. Probably almost exactly that.
It sounds kinda American and urban and de-majestifies him, I get it. It sounds like something dumb boomers came up with back in the day.
It warms my heart seeing anons here criticizing the American films while still being able to enjoy them. Everywhere else just seems like children or mindless consumers. Makes me feel like you guys actually care
How many of you are 30+?
I honestly hated king of the monsters. I understood the tone needed to be a bit more crazy because of the monster licenses they got ahold of, but holy frick it felt like I was watching sonic the hedgehog or something. It was so bad compared to 2014.
I always get the feeling that the people who seethe really hard about munky have to be under 25 and on kaiju twitter.
The more lax guys who acknowledge that the monsterverse has become kinda slop but enjoyable are probably 30+ and just happy to have this much Godzilla material since we spent so much of our formative years in a media drought. FW came out when I was like 12, I didn't get to see it until I was 14/15, and I never got to see a Godzilla movie in theaters in my life until 2014. Now I've seen every one since.(Minus One twice)
Yeah you hit the nail on the head. I try to avoid any and all Godzilla discourse online. People are fricking morons with zero taste or filter
It's funny, I kinda do as well, though I wish I could talk about it more on the net. I think it's been getting a bit better lately though.
Opinions on Shin Godzilla?
People hate it for being 75% politics, but I actually really enjoy that part for some reason
It’s really cool. The characters are a lot of fun. Honestly they shit the bed with shin kamen rider though
It started off so cool and turned into the worst cliche’ trash imaginable
I think that's why I like it. They might all look the same, but the characters in ShinGoji are actually pretty great. Especially Yaguchi and his assistant
Yeah the characters in shin Godzilla are all really likeable. I love how they latch onto weird ideas like the trains and origami.
>People hate it for being 75% politics, but I actually really enjoy that part for some reason
I'm in the same boat, it's practically an art house film because of it... and I think it's everything I wanted 2014 to be.
I liked it, but a few years later I wish it either wasn't Godzilla or they got rid of the first few forms and made it so that he starts the movie in his third form. Part of the appeal to me was that it looked like a scarred, burned creature, having it just morph into that bothered me.
It’s not my favorite, but I can’t argue when someone says it’s the best Godzilla movie.
Americans can't even nail American movies anymore, so how they frick are the ~~*Hollywood*~~ Marxist israelites supposed to handle Japanese films?
>tfw the first time going to a theatre by myself
>be me, little anon, so excited to finally see my hero on the big screen
>empty theatre except for three older guys in the back
>they just get drunk and make fun of the film in the back row, laughing the whole time
>this actually makes me really sad. I try to ignore it but it breaks little me’s heart
>end up sitting in the credits after they go crying
I know I was a little homosexual but I dunno why it bothered me so much.
there's something magic about godzilla movies and toku when you're a kid and you don't consider the idea of them being silly or fake or how they're made, you just take it as is.
I put Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla 1974 for my nephew when he was like 5 or 6 and I was babysitting him, and seeing him get so hyped up for the movie, especially the last fight, was awesome to see.
He got really into godzilla after that but at one point his dad told him the old effects were corny and for a while he had a hard time saying he liked them and would basically repeat what his dad said about them. But now he's 10 and he's hyped up to see more Japanese Godzilla movies again because he thinks they're cooler.
But tl;dr, no one should ever rob a kid of the magic of tokusatsu by deriding it.
Introduce the kid to the artistic aspect of constructing cities and lighting actual actors on fire to get a cool shot, etc.
He was actually building sets and shooting stop motion clips with Neca Godzilla figures for a bit, he hasn't in a few years because there's no more cheap Godzilla figures that are actually articulated decently at retail.
Well you should teach him how to shoot a gun or how to fish or some shit, who cares about playing with Godzilla toys.
I agree, it's interesting to see what makes us stick to the things we believe and observe for ourselves, and what people tell us. I got told plenty of things like that growing up, but I decided they were all wrong and that I was right, and that they hold up well and are compelling pieces of art. It will be interesting to see if your Nephew observes for himself, or accepts what he's told.
people b***h about monsterverse being capeshit but some tokusatsu is literally capeshit just with more soul (and that depends on the era)
How do I become best friends with an anon?
Risk being doxxed by posting your info I guess
I’ll be your friend anon
if you live in New England and are racist I’ll be your friend
Is kamen rider black sun a good place to start if I don’t know the series? It looks serious enough and well done
>kamen rider black sun
stay clear of that and amazons
Any reason why? I started watching kamen rider v3 and it’s pretty charming, but I’m looking to really absorb myself into it.
They're edgy to the point of parody and lack the charm of the real series which they seem to have contempt for.
Can you go into detail? Don’t mean to be a dink, honestly just new to kamen rider and would like to hear your thoughts
Not only are they not representative of kamen rider they also have terrible stories. Sure they're more violent but for supposed R rated shows they have worse writing than kids shows. If you're looking for something less episodic, try the heisei era. Kuuga is the first and worth starting. I'd still stick with the showa era series but it doesn't hurt to switch it up.
they're too busy nailing your mom
Suitmation has pretty much left the mainstream in Japanese cinema. But they always had small budgets to work with.
>Gamera 3, one of the best looking suitmation monster movies, cost 7 mil yo make
>Shin Godzilla was 10 million, and Godzilla shots are like 6 minutes of the total screen time
>Minus One was 15 million and they had to spend money on the period piece aesthetics too
So just as a theory. If Japan had 250 million (hollywood blockbuster budget) dollars to do a suitmation movie, would it look presentable?
I think we will see it again. Even when del taco was making pacific rim he wanted the aesthetic of guys in suits.
Godzilla ‘98 was a guy in a suit half the time and no one even noticed and just thought it was entirely CG.
I remember seeing it in the theatre, enjoying it, then later coming online to see people sperging out over it. I always enjoyed it for its own merits. I’m glad people finally see now that it’s got its own place
Agree, though I do have to admit I find this image very funny.
I crouch on the kitchen counter in my gonch like this eating bread from the plastic bag
they scrapped any footage of that early on
Yeah, there are always return to form movies, done just becuase someone with money, is a fan of the old ways. The Shin Godzilla animatronic they apparently didn't use, looked so good, that I wonder if they still did use it for a couple of very good shots.
I got my tickets to go see Godzilla this Friday but I'm kind of dreading it. I don't necessarily hate kong but I feel like the last movie was basically a Kong movie and this one seems like a Kong movie also, it's all so exhausting.
Dude there’s like fifty monkeys in the trailer, and the trailer before the movie even starts is gonna have monkeys with eagles
King Kong is cool. Try to have fun
American movies have no reverence for Godzilla or what he can represent, he's essentially just an action figure that western filmmakers get handed and bang into stuff
It's why Godzilla Minus One mogs every recent appearance of Godzilla, in these movies he's nothing but a big lizard who acts as King Kong's sidekick instead of an embodiment of the fear and despair of the nuclear age
The sad thing is even as a crazy action figure movie, he could be great still. Pacific rim was beautifully done for example
But none of the writers since 14 care about weight, scale, the humans, colour, or anything of the sort.
People shit on pacific rim 2, but I’d honestly compare it to king of the monsters in terms of directing. They’re both really fricking bad
Even the 2014 Godzilla dropped the ball. The trailers made it seem like it was almost gonna be the American answer to 1954. But then they made Godzilla into that true neutral, "I'm just here to save you guys from an even worse threat" monster. I always felt that the "savior of the city" thing in the end of 2014, wasn't earned. If they had no context of Godzilla being heroic (like the viewers do), then Godzilla waking up after a battle, would be like a lion waking up at a pre-school, after killing two leopards who were terrorizing the kids. Yeah, the two predators are dead, but it's a leap of logic to declare the sleepy lion as a hero and savior of the kids.
>instead of an embodiment of the fear and despair of the nuclear age
99% of the Japanese movies are also not about that.
Has anyone explained why godzillas torso is so shrunken in? It looks anatomically moronic. I don’t care about the pink, the check/stomach looks so bad…
Godzilla X Kong trailer made me embarrassed to be a Godzilla fan again. People in the cinema were awkward laughing at the trailer. They were not laughing with the trailer, they were laughing at how silly it was.
Yeah, it’s bad anon. I actually just got out of the theatre. Godzilla is already becoming something to be mocked again by general audiences I think
Godzilla became a joke ever since KOM. Fricking horrible movie.
I thought KOTM was still great. It's Godzilla vs Kong, that shat the bed.
No that movie was fricking horrible. I felt sorry for the casuals who watched it with me as they thought it was bad too. That movie is get on your phone tier level of terrible.
As a life long Godzilla fan, I was happy with KOTM. Call it fanservice or not, but King Ghidorah was a great villain, Rodan and Mothra had their moments, and they used the classic (but slightly updated) songs from the old films. It was basically a Ghidorah the three headed monster remake, and no less outlandish than that film was.
Not exactly. KOTM ended on an ominous note, with more and more titans awakening, and Godzilla taking charge as the king of the monsters, with humanity in a pretty uncertain position by then. And then GVK starts by saying that all the monsters beat each other off screen, and that only Godzilla and the big ape remain. All thay Hollow earth stuff was meh, and the only good idea it had (bringing Ghidorah back as Mechagodzilla) was underused as hell.
Anon, I literally travelled to Japan to see and hold the oxygen destroyer. I met Haruo Nakajima. I’ve been to noriyoshi’s art galleries, and tons more
I’m a literal obnoxious super fan. I love Godzilla deeply- but that movie just ain’t it. I love the designs of ghidorah and rodan, but man, the movie is just insurmountable amounts of fricking garbage
Like it’s literally cringe tier
Chances are that guy literally started with these new American movies. Most diehard KOTM fans are only tangentially aware of the series at large, ie they watched a couple vhs tapes when they were younger.
Eat shit anon. My exposure to Godzilla was when my dad used emule back in early 00's to download the 98 Godzilla, but got Tokyo SOS instead. I loved it, and started downloading all Godzilla movies. By 2007, I had seen every single Godzilla movie, multiple ultraman shows, gamera, specterman, Zone fighter and so on. I was a huge Godzilla nerd growing up. And I liked KOTM. Hearing that Godzilla theme hit on the big screen, brought me back to my youth.
Couldn't agree more, which is why I pick it as the worst Godzilla movie. Second choice would be
NTA but I'm a big Goji fan (not as much as that first anon though, very based) and I enjoyed King of the Monsters. I agree the dialogue sucks a lot of the time, and I'm still sad we're in an era of permanent CGzilla outside the yearly shorts, but I thought it was a fun movie overall and it was the first time that an America movie actually "felt" like Godzilla. It was a comfy popcorn flick, made me think about watching the Heisei movies for the first time when I was a kid.
I also wasn't a fan of 2014, so the drastic switchup in KoTM probably made me like it more.
Godzilla vs Kong felt like King of the Monsters 2 but with less rain and smoke covering up the action and slightly better writing. If you liked KoTM there's no reason you wouldn't have liked GvK.
>slightly better writing
MBB sucked but these three were better than the Marvel SHIELD quip team in KOTM
they're the mystery meat quip team on steroids what is this fricking thing
I may be a weird one that liked 2014, HATED KotM, and loved GvK. I loved any scenes with King Ghidorah and Rodan, but they both went out too easily. Burning Godzilla was cool but I was hoping for a round 2 and instead it was one-sided. The entire story around the eco terrorists and the family was awful imo, so bad in execution. I was hoping all the main characters got take out so we'd never have to see them again. Sadly the dad and girl came back in GvK, but they were so little involved I forgot about them entirely. The GvK movie was a messy story but I liked how it worked out. I also liked all the new characters, which they kepy the story focused on. All the fights in GvK were great, and I loved all the monster scenes in general.
Yeah I just don’t understand the praise. It feels so shallow and it feels like there’s no real risk or weight to anything
the movie isnt out anywhere
>godzilla
>silly
Holy shit, this must be the first time there's been a silly Godzilla movie! I can't be a fan of this anymore if it's gonna be silly...
At least we'll always have the serious movies where they travel through time and Godzilla fights giant shrimp and praying mantises.
hes a radioactive dinosaur
They didn't "nail them" but King of the Monsters and Godzilla vs Kong did a good job at adapting the Godzilla feel for Hollywood blockbusters. I won't defend 2014 because they fricked up with that one.
This is the worst take on the fricking planet you fricking imbecile.
King of the monsters was the most marvelized horseshit you could manage without having Robert Downey literally on the screen
the american movies have all just been different shades of shit
none of this is objectively wrong or disrespectful. Whether it's done well in the final movies is another story, but even Japanese Godzilla movies have had a tendency to push Godzilla to the background. Just say you're mad because you wanted a Godzilla vs toho monster movie.
He put Godzilla's story on hold and suddenly discovered that he's the issue because he's basically a dinosaur. It didn't stop others but now it's a problem because Kong is also in the movie.
>He put Godzilla's story on hold
how so? What's being held back? Godzilla ends KOTM basically reigning over most of the other monsters. GvK was the two highest tier monsters fighting. I've kept myself spoiler free for the most part for this movie, but what story do you think is being kept from being told?
Yeah I don't get why people don't want Godzilla to fight monsters now. That's how the story should go, Godzilla fighting new opponents each movie.
He's just going to go on about how one of the least expressive or developed versions of Godzilla to ever exist is actually this multilayered and complex character with years, nigh DECADES worth of storylines being held under lock and key. Don't bother
>, but even Japanese Godzilla movies have had a tendency to push Godzilla to the background
Many of the best Godzilla films have him as part of an ensemble cast of monsters instead of focusing solely on him.
How do you make Godzilla an interesting character?
All versions are interesting. But this one? He's an ancient creature that's a survivor of wars and cataclysmic events who silently protects the world at the expense of his own health until he becomes a literal king and tries to somehow keep this shit afloat protecting humans from monsters and monsters from humans without anything tipping the scale too much. He's a creature with the heaviest burden on his shoulders with a past bond with ancient humans that both species may remember (or they would if he was given a story after KotM).
There's a natural pathos and sadness in him. His loneliness (besides Mothra her inclusion also makes him interesting because you know he's more complex than he seems). It's such a unique take on the character. I want to knw how he handless all these monsters on the surface. I stopped caring for cookie cutter Kong with an axe resting on his shoulder with a kid like fricking Kratos. It's horribly pedestrian.
Monsterverse fans have this bizarre tendency to fabricate this elaborate fanfic around the universe's godzilla based on one or two lines from the movies or a few pages from the supplementary comics. Not even Heiseigays wax this poetic about their favored incarnation of the big G, it's crazy
Looks like you simply don't know these characters.
Even if this movie does well, I doubt Wingard will be back for the next one only because it feels like getting Wingard on GXK was a production schedules being all fricked with Covid and thus it was easier to just bring him back than to start from scratch for the next movie. WB needed more midrange hits and GvK did well enough to fasttrack a sequel. same reason they ran with Gunn for the new DC universe, he had recently worked witht hem and had decent critical success.
He said he wants another. He's probably the most likely candidate. And if he already has a story, before any feedback, then it's another Kong story. But I don't know what can it be. Even if he said "I want to put Godzilla more in the focus" I won't believe him. First of all he would never say it because he firmly stated that he sees Godzilla in limited capacity only.
>And if he already has a story, before any feedback, then it's another Kong story.
I don't know how to break it to you guys, but Wingard does not write these movies. He's just the director. He doesn't come up with the story.
The director does have a large amount of control over the script and character direction.
There was one article where he described the process. Yes, he did write the movie and he's credited for the story.
Him having control over a finished script that he's shooting isn't the same as
>And if he already has a story, before any feedback
Wingard doesn't "have a story, before any feedback." He is the feedback.
He shapes the story. The writers adapt them into a script.
Just got done watching Rodan. Really great movie, one of my favorites so far. How did this movie look so much better than the orignal Godzilla despite coming out just a couple years after?
Watch Mothra next if you haven't. Really great visuals, people don't talk about how good Honda was as a director enough.
I watched Mothra earlier today actually, I liked it a lot as well. Next up is Mothra vs. Godzilla!
>I watched Mothra earlier today actually, I liked it a lot as well
Nice, glad you liked it. Mothra has a really unique vibe to it.
>Next up is Mothra vs. Godzilla!
Very nice, one of my favorite Godzilla movies.
>*is kino in your path*
I find it weird how nothing featuring Orga after this movie portrayed Orga as an intelligent seeker of knowledge/data and using that to evolve, but rather as a berserker or brute without higher aspirations.
I don't know much about Goji media outside the movies, but yeah Orga isn't just a moron brute. The aliens were trying to evolve to conquer the planet, and they became Orga with Godzilla's DNA. Orga would've evolved further if he managed to eat Goji.
What stuff do you refer to? I only watched the movie and played the Pipeworks trilogy games, so may be out of the loop. I guess in the Pipeworks games he had sort of a heavy brute moveset so maybe that was it? He is one of my favorite monsters. I would have liked to have seen what a fully transformed Godzilla ver. of Orga would have looked like.
Goji newbie here. What makes GMK great?
Everything. Peak suitmation, badass goji, and a darker more serious tone.
Based director as well, who directed the Gamera trilogy and porn.
Lot of fights, good horror-ish tone, nice cinematography, and it's an interesting re-imagining of Godzilla. One of the only monster fight movies where Godzilla is the bad guy.
>What makes GMK great?
Watching Baragon get OBLITERATED
works as a sequel to 1954 while having its own identity. the mystical elements and the very literal metaphor of it make it unique. I know they originally wanted to use different monsters but Mothra and Ghidorah were weird in the context and the ending battle wasn't that great. especially compared to his Gamera movies.
I'd still put it towards the top of my godzilla list though
>the ending battle wasn't that great. especially compared to his Gamera movies
The last fights in those really are great. Super hard to top.
what Godzilla comics should I read?
Half century war is among the best Godzilla stories in any medium.
Rulers of Earth is good.
Kingdom of Monsters is weak.
Legends is mixed. The MechaG vs Hedorah issue was good & the Titanosaurus issue was very good.
Pic related old Dark Horse stuff is good but mixed. Some great art at times.
Most kino monsters
>godzilla (obviously)
>mothra
>anguirus
>king kong
>king ghidorah
>gamera
>rodan
>showa mechagodzilla
>gigan
>ebirah
>spacegodzilla
>orga
>barugon (the gamera one)
>kiryu
>gorosaurus
I forgot
>jet jaguar
Anyone got a torrent for the Heisei films in good quality?
any godzilla films with sexy female nudity?
Terror of Mechagodzilla has robot boobs. Not only is the character a robot, but the boobs are a prop.