That would require the comics to acknowledge Miles’s three fatal flaws >fear of the spotlight/attention >overly passive >relies on others to the point of being a people pleaser
Imagine if the Miles Morales character was introduced in the exact same manner that he originally was, but instead of being a half-black half-latino kid, he was a white kid named Mike Morris.
In Ultimate Comics, the original Peter Parker is killed in battle, and shortly thereafter, we're introduced to Mike Morris, a teenager who is bitten by the exact same spider that Peter was, and gains the exact same powers as Peter, except he also has the extra special powers of invisibility and "Venom Strike" electricity. Mike gets a costume for himself that clearly looks like Spider-Man, and he calls himself the new Spider-Man. Not Spider-Boy, or The Arachnid, but "Spider-Man". Mike then meets Aunt May, Mary Jane, and Peter's other supporting cast, and Aunt May even gives Mike Peter's webshooters. In the years to come, Mike will be ported to the main 616 continuity, where he fights alongside Peter, and the two share the mantle of "Spider-Man". Mike fights many classic Spidey villains, takes a version of The Prowler from Peter to be his arch-nemesis, the writers constantly beat readers over the head with how important and valid Mike is as Spider-Man, and Mike is thereby shoved into every possible Spider-Man adaptation (comics, cartoons, video games, etc.), where Peter has to share the spotlight with Mike Morris, the new Spider-Man.
Mike has stolen Peter's title, powers, origin story, supporting cast, villains, arch-enemy, costume, and spotlight, and we're all constantly reminded how great of a character he is by the writers.
Doesn't this whole idea sound so laughably bad? It would go down as a mere footnote in Spider-Man mythology, and Mike Morris would barely be remembered by comic nerds as, "Hey, remember that one time the writers tried to replace Peter Parker with that new kid? That was dumb."
But no, because Miles is a black minority kid, anyone who points out how poorly conceived this whole thing is will just be accused of being "racist." We're stuck with him forever.
No that's a sidekick taking his mentor's mantle. Miles comes out of no where and has no buildup like Wally does. Also Wally backed up his role as Flash with good comics
He's not likeable in the movies though? He's smug and entitled and ungrateful, which COULD make for interesting traits to be explored but the movies present them as something you're supposed to love
Other way around, all my American friends thought he was endearing while my European and Jap friends thought roughly the same as me, some thought he was even actively annoying. Americans are brainwashed since early age to gloss over anything negative concerning black people and it shows, it's an insult to lump Miles in with actually cool black superhero characters like Blade, T'Challa, Sam Wilson etc but some are actually so deluded to call him the best one out of all of them.
It's surprising to me that people are whining over the flaws of him, when it is really prominent in teens. And I thought people liked realistic characters.
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Flaws are good when they serve the character, with Miles it's the classic Poochie case where the character is presented perfect as-is and they never have to grow or be in the wrong, ever. Peter is full of rage and it comes back around to bite him in the ass and it makes for great and entertaining writing, Miles is smug and entitled and everyone else has to bend over to make way for his smug entitledness, it comes off as obnoxious and obviously unrealistic.
Spiderverse Miles benefits from the fact there's he doesn't have a Peter to share the universe with.
The Peter of his universe dies quickly at the start, rather than Miles just hijacking a long lasting and successful comic run, so there's little to be upset about, even less so when Peter B and other spider appear shortly after.
The fresh watcher of Spiderverse doesn't experience Miles as an invader taking over from the corpse of the character that previously carried the story, so we can all just focus on a sincere tale about Miles trying to live up to his predecesor.
TL;DR: Spiderverse benefits from no baggage from the shitty comic version of himself, unless you intentionally bring it with you to the theater.
>sincere tale about Miles trying to live up to his predecesor.
By knocking over his grave, stealing his name, dating a version of his ex, having the multiverse bend over so he can meet her a week early, having her not react at all to two different Peters, spraypainting his costume and saying he made it, trying to hog Peter B's limited time to train him instead of letting him handle the crisis, insisting he gets taken along to the fight despite not being qualified, magically becoming qualified in a day, never being at fault for anything, being blameless in his version of the uncle Ben death, having his villains immediately validate him by calling him Spider-Man, being able to defeat Peter A's killers immediately with no effort? That was awful though and anti-sincere though
Imagine if the Miles Morales character was introduced in the exact same manner that he originally was, but instead of being a half-black half-latino kid, he was a white kid named Mike Morris.
In Ultimate Comics, the original Peter Parker is killed in battle, and shortly thereafter, we're introduced to Mike Morris, a teenager who is bitten by the exact same spider that Peter was, and gains the exact same powers as Peter, except he also has the extra special powers of invisibility and "Venom Strike" electricity. Mike gets a costume for himself that clearly looks like Spider-Man, and he calls himself the new Spider-Man. Not Spider-Boy, or The Arachnid, but "Spider-Man". Mike then meets Aunt May, Mary Jane, and Peter's other supporting cast, and Aunt May even gives Mike Peter's webshooters. In the years to come, Mike will be ported to the main 616 continuity, where he fights alongside Peter, and the two share the mantle of "Spider-Man". Mike fights many classic Spidey villains, takes a version of The Prowler from Peter to be his arch-nemesis, the writers constantly beat readers over the head with how important and valid Mike is as Spider-Man, and Mike is thereby shoved into every possible Spider-Man adaptation (comics, cartoons, video games, etc.), where Peter has to share the spotlight with Mike Morris, the new Spider-Man.
Mike has stolen Peter's title, powers, origin story, supporting cast, villains, arch-enemy, costume, and spotlight, and we're all constantly reminded how great of a character he is by the writers.
Doesn't this whole idea sound so laughably bad? It would go down as a mere footnote in Spider-Man mythology, and Mike Morris would barely be remembered by comic nerds as, "Hey, remember that one time the writers tried to replace Peter Parker with that new kid? That was dumb."
But no, because Miles is a black minority kid, anyone who points out how poorly conceived this whole thing is will just be accused of being "racist." We're stuck with him forever.
Isn’t it funny that Andrew’s spiderman has a younger Madem Spider instead of Peter’s dead spider GFs.
Because comics are written by autistic manchildren and glorified shitposters who think they are fighting a cultural war competing on who can write the most obnoxious shit to anger the most people possible.
Because his only personality trait is being black
Yummy seethe.
>I-i'm not upset! i'm getting off on your seething!
Pathetic gay. GTFO
That would require the comics to acknowledge Miles’s three fatal flaws
>fear of the spotlight/attention
>overly passive
>relies on others to the point of being a people pleaser
Character flaws like those can be used to write interesting stories. But I'm assuming that hasn't been done with Miles in the comics yet?
Benis
Because he's an ugly Black person
Because the comics focus on him and don't have a million other characters to prop him up
Honestly anon, I have no clue. Just get talented writers I suppose.
extremely punchable face
Most comic writers aren’t good.
I don't like him in the movies either
Imagine if the Miles Morales character was introduced in the exact same manner that he originally was, but instead of being a half-black half-latino kid, he was a white kid named Mike Morris.
In Ultimate Comics, the original Peter Parker is killed in battle, and shortly thereafter, we're introduced to Mike Morris, a teenager who is bitten by the exact same spider that Peter was, and gains the exact same powers as Peter, except he also has the extra special powers of invisibility and "Venom Strike" electricity. Mike gets a costume for himself that clearly looks like Spider-Man, and he calls himself the new Spider-Man. Not Spider-Boy, or The Arachnid, but "Spider-Man". Mike then meets Aunt May, Mary Jane, and Peter's other supporting cast, and Aunt May even gives Mike Peter's webshooters. In the years to come, Mike will be ported to the main 616 continuity, where he fights alongside Peter, and the two share the mantle of "Spider-Man". Mike fights many classic Spidey villains, takes a version of The Prowler from Peter to be his arch-nemesis, the writers constantly beat readers over the head with how important and valid Mike is as Spider-Man, and Mike is thereby shoved into every possible Spider-Man adaptation (comics, cartoons, video games, etc.), where Peter has to share the spotlight with Mike Morris, the new Spider-Man.
Mike has stolen Peter's title, powers, origin story, supporting cast, villains, arch-enemy, costume, and spotlight, and we're all constantly reminded how great of a character he is by the writers.
Doesn't this whole idea sound so laughably bad? It would go down as a mere footnote in Spider-Man mythology, and Mike Morris would barely be remembered by comic nerds as, "Hey, remember that one time the writers tried to replace Peter Parker with that new kid? That was dumb."
But no, because Miles is a black minority kid, anyone who points out how poorly conceived this whole thing is will just be accused of being "racist." We're stuck with him forever.
This literally also happened with the flash right?
No that's a sidekick taking his mentor's mantle. Miles comes out of no where and has no buildup like Wally does. Also Wally backed up his role as Flash with good comics
He's not likeable in the movies though? He's smug and entitled and ungrateful, which COULD make for interesting traits to be explored but the movies present them as something you're supposed to love
>He's smug and entitled and ungrateful
Misc brain rot. Literally seeing a completely different movie through your eyes.
Other way around, all my American friends thought he was endearing while my European and Jap friends thought roughly the same as me, some thought he was even actively annoying. Americans are brainwashed since early age to gloss over anything negative concerning black people and it shows, it's an insult to lump Miles in with actually cool black superhero characters like Blade, T'Challa, Sam Wilson etc but some are actually so deluded to call him the best one out of all of them.
Guess what buddy, he's a teen. They're not always going to be likable.
But the thread is literally about him being likable, and if he's not likable then what the frick does he exist for
It's surprising to me that people are whining over the flaws of him, when it is really prominent in teens. And I thought people liked realistic characters.
Flaws are good when they serve the character, with Miles it's the classic Poochie case where the character is presented perfect as-is and they never have to grow or be in the wrong, ever. Peter is full of rage and it comes back around to bite him in the ass and it makes for great and entertaining writing, Miles is smug and entitled and everyone else has to bend over to make way for his smug entitledness, it comes off as obnoxious and obviously unrealistic.
>realistic characters
these are never good
Euros and Asians are just a lot more racist.
You've gotta ado better.
The comics doesnt use the comics spiderverse to prop him up.
Spiderverse Miles benefits from the fact there's he doesn't have a Peter to share the universe with.
The Peter of his universe dies quickly at the start, rather than Miles just hijacking a long lasting and successful comic run, so there's little to be upset about, even less so when Peter B and other spider appear shortly after.
The fresh watcher of Spiderverse doesn't experience Miles as an invader taking over from the corpse of the character that previously carried the story, so we can all just focus on a sincere tale about Miles trying to live up to his predecesor.
TL;DR: Spiderverse benefits from no baggage from the shitty comic version of himself, unless you intentionally bring it with you to the theater.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4VUGYmCZBko
How does it feel to be proven wrong Cinemaphile? Miles Morales IS Spiderman
Miguel is right and he should have been the one getting shilled nonstop since his inception
Based. Him and Mayday should've been first up for animated movies.
You are so pathetic.
>sincere tale about Miles trying to live up to his predecesor.
By knocking over his grave, stealing his name, dating a version of his ex, having the multiverse bend over so he can meet her a week early, having her not react at all to two different Peters, spraypainting his costume and saying he made it, trying to hog Peter B's limited time to train him instead of letting him handle the crisis, insisting he gets taken along to the fight despite not being qualified, magically becoming qualified in a day, never being at fault for anything, being blameless in his version of the uncle Ben death, having his villains immediately validate him by calling him Spider-Man, being able to defeat Peter A's killers immediately with no effort? That was awful though and anti-sincere though
Don't forget him making a mural for an accomplice in Peter A's murder while not doing anything to venerate Peter A's death
Isn’t it funny that Andrew’s spiderman has a younger Madem Spider instead of Peter’s dead spider GFs.
He is. The PSY-OP that's been happening for 12 something years just can't hold up anymore. It's over. He's won.
Because comics are written by autistic manchildren and glorified shitposters who think they are fighting a cultural war competing on who can write the most obnoxious shit to anger the most people possible.