Warner is in talks to shut down the publishing division of DC.
Jim Lee is on his way out, he's currently searching for alternative positions unrelated to comics
Their executive editor left because the writing was on the wall.
The pumping out of multiple events is a panic move to boost sales however this isn't working.
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I'm surprised American comics haven't become figital-only by now tbh senpai
Because the direct market makes more money than digital.
what money?
The revenue that subsidizes their digital comics, trade releases and loss leading diversity titles.
I accept your concession
what money?
There are far too many moronic 50+ yo "collectors" who think buying number 1s and alt covers is an investment.
What they should do is making alt covers for ALL their comics every other month.
Get w
Go b
>warner is a "warning"
>can't spell broke without bro
Holy shit
Get wiener? Go bisexual? Is that you Tim? Jon? Alan?
>two more weeks trust the plan
RIP BOZO #PACKWATCH
They fricked up with the New52 and never recovered
>But muh sales
A temporary boost that lead to long term damage.
this anon is right, new52 was the final nail, then they give us Rebirth with hope, but only 16 months later didio, bendis, taylor and tynion killed DC.
Rebirth was damage control but at the same time, it was them undoing an event with a new event. I'm not even well versed in the situation but I understand that cancelling all your ongoing books and rebranding is bad in the long term.
That's why we have the manga meme. Too many Batman vol 1s.
This is autism. The only problem with rebirth was not ripping the bandaid off and officially relegating the entire new 52 to an Alt U. Metal represented Didio and Lee not wanting to let it go and then they dragged all of rebirth down.
You can't put the genie back in the bottle anon. Even if they made a "Bronze Age" universe alongside the New52, things would still be broken.
Now things are so silly, many don't understand we're in the "5G" era.
>Even if they made a "Bronze Age" universe alongside the New52
Real easy fix. No more shit that even references the new 52.
Why did they not just do it like Marvel and have Ultimate and 616 at the same time
they thought fresh slate would bring even more newcomers, what people at DC didnt know normalgay cant keep up with 52 comic run on the get go instead going simple route like marvel rn with 4 ongoing this year for their new ultimate universe
DiDio basically took the post-Brightest Day reshuffle and tacked on a full reboot onto it to get new readers into comics. Bear in mind comics NEVER have marketing but the New 52 was actually mentioned in some mainstream newspapers. Half its content was already planned:
>Aquaman and other White Lanterns from the series were planned to have series. (Animal Man was originally a White Lantern.)
>Swamp Thing and Constantine both turned up during the event at the end and in another series to show Vertigo properly merged with the main universe.
>Snyder's Batman story was a Dickbats story that was changed for the worse into a Bruce story. (Talons were connected to the Flying Graysons, the villain was like a mentor figure, Court of Owls waited until Batman was out of the way.)
>Batman Inc by Morrison, Green Lantern by Geoff Johns, Batwoman and others were continuations.
But the other half that wasn't already planned:
>Then a bunch of other shit was essentially rushed out with no communication, Action Comics and Superman had no real conversation between creative teams.
>Many series were put out there to die to get to the number of titles up.
DiDio acts like a martyr for trying but essentially half the stories were modified and planned and the other half were rushed out.
>DiDio got rid of a bunch of side characters that he hated like Stephanie Brown.
>Characters were merged together so Alan Scott became gay when previously his son had been.
>Stupid editorial shit like Batwoman can't get married completely destroy that books run.
>Series people still like such as the Wonder Woman one felt completely unconnected to the character in other books and teams couldn't communicate during development.
>"Everything happened in 5 years" bullshit meant that all previous continuity was reduced to 5 years, hence why Batman Year 0 arc had a No Man's Land style situation with Riddler all stuffed in.
Don't forget the entire thing started as a reboot for the Superman titles specifically, which were faltering horrendously after New Krypton. Then, when they realized changing Superman so drastically meant changing the entire DC Universe, they said frick it and made it a line-wide reboot. Johns' Justice League was originally a present-day story about a new gathering of the team, not their first meeting, until it was retrofitted into an origin story.
Jim Lee and Diane Nelson killed DC comics the same way Bob Iger, Joe Quesada and Alex Alonso killed Marvel, and when Johns tried to save DC. they moved mountains to fire him.
Now Ghost machine will be a success.
>Jim Lee
Are you saying Jim Lee conspired to kill DC after his Wildstorm Universe went belly up? Interesting comic, would read.
New52 was his and Diane's baby with harras and didio adopting it anon.
>Johns
>saving DC
The absolute fricking delusion of this board
Johns had his flaws but his era of dc is 100% better then what we have now.
Thats either the Johns fans or Johns himself!
New 52 only happened because sales had gone down. In essence, it goes back to hiring DiDio.
So you're saying the Bronze Age was waning and the New52 was a necessary thing?
>Bronze Age
That ended in 1986, sadly.
So what do we call the post-Crisis era? Calling it the "Modern" era makes no sense. The Dark age is somewhat right.
Dark Age is often applied to the late 80s and 90s. As far as I know Modern Age does refer generally to the post-Crisis era and the 2000s specifically.
So then
>Golden
>Silver
>Bronze
>Modern/Dark
>New52
>5G
This 5G era, has it had anything outstanding? At least the New52 had...
No, the New 52 should have never happened and was a last ditch effort by DiDio and other higher ups to stop themselves from getting shitcanned that in the end made things worse. They were only in that situation, though, because the decisions that DiDio made over the previous decade and especially the preceding two or three years drove fans away. Hiring DiDio basically set DC on the path that led them to the sorry state they're now in.
If the reboot was good, New 52 could've been a massive boon to DC and the industry. The idea of a sleek and modern DCU wasn't inherently bad. They just... fricked it up.
If true, I don't understand why a complete shutdown is coming before a sacking from top to bottom first. Publishing is not a complicated thing, nor is there a dearth of talented and experienced people willing to step in. The unwillingness to address fan and retail concerns and course correct is baffling.
Unless of course they are rebuilding a new publishing division to replace this one.
America is falling apart all over. It's not just comics.
and they only have themselves to blame they did this to themselves frick em
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Because DC's parent company Warner Bros Discovery has massive financial problems and needs to cut dead weight quickly.
I'm aware. It just begs the question why they didn't bother trying to fix DC after their supposed review last year. This downward trend isn't new.
It seems everywhere I look in pop culture media, the people responsible for failure all proudly proclaim their desire to burn entire industries down before they "work with the chuds." So this scorched earth result is exactly what they want. It's just inexplicable for the parent company to go along with it.
Get woke, go broke
You'd look like less of a moron if you weren't crying about 'woke' ultracapitalist executives who only care about getting their money.
Cope seethe and whine more. It doesn't matter if they truly believe in the cult of woke or not- they still went woke, and their company went broke. The executives and board members of course still get paid their huge salaries+ bonus ESG money.
WBD stockholders don't care about DC Comics the publisher. They care about the movie and TV studios and that's it. That's why DC was consistently worse than Marvel until the Disney buyout. If it's making a net loss, but not by much, it's continued existence is justified by the movies. Now that the movies are tanking and the publishing loss is getting bigger, they'd rather just axe it than bother devoting resources to fixing it. It's a real shame. DC and Marvel would both be in much better hands either privately owned or as their own corporations, with no parent company subsidies allowing them to churn out increasingly shittier slop with no immediate reprecussions.
DC Comics doesn't make money.
They care about merch like games, and flash and batman logo shirts and selling evergreen books like Watchmen and TDKR. They don't give a single shit about publishing new comics that make them no money.
Another problem, the more wokeshit they do in the comics like gay superman, or implying Batman had a bisexual romance with Ghostmaker, or making him a cucked b***h like he was in Tom King's run, the more it damages the brand long term internationally. It's wise to shut down the woke comics division before it does any more harm to the IP
>does any more harm to the IP
They need to get rid of these shitty comics immediately. They have to be the most backward ass brand damaging shit ever.
They need to make Superman gay
Zaslav is the most pathetic human being to ever exist he managed to be worse than chapek
It’s arrogance and spite creating an inability to admit fault. Plus many in media, even the suits who should be only focused on money, truly think social issues are more important than the bottom line.
Weirdly enough, closing a struggling publisher doesn't assist with messaging or social issues but does help the bottom line as a quick and dirty savings. It's almost like you're trying to blame people you don't like for what your tasty boot providers are doing.
This reply seems to be to the wrong post? Idk what any of what I said has to do with corporate boot licking…
Put "social issues" in quotations, because their idea of "social issues" is be the secular version of Chick Tracts.
>Publishing is not a complicated thing
lollll
anyway to answer your question *if* this is what's happening
because publishing is about building trust with retailers and audiences, a brand that they know they can rely on for stuff that's new enough to interest them but not so new it alienates them
and DC hasn't been able to supply that to its increasingly elderly audience for some time now
back around New 52 DC commissioned a study to find out *who* was buying their titles (because the direct market doesn't offer point of sale data because it's moronic) and the answer circa 2011 was "white males aged 45+ with 1-2 kids, a mortgage and a household income well above the national average"
these are mostly people who'd been reading comics since the 1970s, when they were kids, had lots of disposable income, pride in collecting comic books etc
but they weren't getting their kids reading them too and the market had become skewed toward older readers in the 80s-90s, so there were very few DC readers under 45 (these same people will be pushing 60 at best today)
problem is older readers don't just die, they also develop health problems, retire and cut back on expensive hobbies, and just generally feel alienated
DC probably lost a lot of older readers with all that edgy zombie crap from Blackest Night well before New 52, but the problem is those guys are the ones with the money to buy multiple titles (which is necessary to follow "the plot") every week and 16+ titles per month, younger people don't have 60-80 dollars to spend on entertainment each month and where they do, tend to spend it on things that offer better value in terms of time, rather than nostalgia (which they don't have because comics weren't for kids when they were kids)
there's no publishing brand to rebuild; the audience is basically done over the next decade
you could start over but that would effectively shut DC Comics down anyway because you'd be shitcanning bad titles left and right
Every other publisher in America has no problem selling books to their audience
Maybe it really is a skill issue
>Every other publisher in America has no problem selling books to their audience
DC outsells all of them still stop being moronic. Their “shambles” is being second two marvel or third to image. Stop talking about comics and go back to a cartoon thread tourist.
It absolutely is, and lets reframe this.
They have SUPERMAN, BATMAN. WONDER WOMAN. ALL THE FRICKING WB cartoons, ALMOST all of the CN shit.
And we're in the BIGGEST normie surge of superhero and nerd shit in mainstream movies ever.
And they STILL can't sell books.
That's not just a skill issue. That's a goddam skill fatality. A rectal prolapse like a bowel disruptor set on crack prostitute on rent day.
>a comment on why RT shut down.
Oh boy does this sound like current DC.
This happens to all companies.
Take Blizzard.
- Wacraft I, II and III
- Diablo I and II
- Starcraft I and II
- World of Warcraft, Burning Crusade, and Wrath of the Lich King
That's were the good games ended.
We've gotten no new installments in the Warcraft or Starcraft series.
World of Warcraft got so bad that they had to release the classic games without the newer expansions because the new expansions sucked so much dick.
They've releasad Warcraft III, turned out to be shit.
They've releasad Diablo II, which is okay (it's literally a graphic overlay of the old game) with the exception for that you have to play it through their online client and can't use any mods.
Diablo III, Diablo Immortal, and Diablo IV have been absolute trash fires.
>releasad
re-released*
Hey don’t shit on Cata that shit was hype.
All this and troons are still oblivious to why they're hated.
Or maybe not, they've always loved causing misery to those not suffering from drugs and trauma daily
they still managed to walk headfirst into the stupid durito thing.
Magazines are a shell of their former selves from 20 years ago.
USA Today is but a whimper now.
I swear I've seen this post a few times now
with the number of times I've seen
>DC is over guys!!!
threads, maybe you're right
>DC is over guys!!!
What threads?
phew I don't know how many but recently for at least a month there have been multiple threads, all having a DC logo in the OP with a title like
>is DC done
>what's next for DC
or the lines like that.
if you can, just check an archives website, check the threads with a DC logo, they're literally consistent
Genuine question why are you ITT? To talk shit? You really think they’re perfectly fine? You’d change nothing about their output? You don’t think they could be selling any better at all?
Enough of the attention seeking homosexualry engage in some discussion or have a nice day.
raaaaaaah
go cry me a fricking river
two more weeks amirite?
You didn’t even answer any of the questions I asked. Clearly you’re just ITT to troll.
frick, meant for
>To talk shit?
no
>You really think they’re perfectly fine?
yes
>You’d change nothing about their output?
get (back )veteran creative teams and/or clout/"superstar" creative teams
maybe think about a soft relaunch with said teams
>You don’t think they could be selling any better at all?
they could
>get (back )veteran creative teams and/or clout/"superstar" creative teams
Their solution would be bring back Gail Simone and Ron Marz. Plus they can’t afford the page rates.
They’re better off getting cheap new talent that has no baggage and stories to tell.
no I'm not joking, i always get tipped off by the
>back around New 52 DC commissioned a study to find out *who* was buying their titles
>back around New 52 DC commissioned a study to find out *who* was buying their titles (because the direct market doesn't offer point of sale data because it's moronic) and the answer circa 2011 was "white males aged 45+ with 1-2 kids, a mortgage and a household income well above the national average"
Source? As someone who shops at an LCS weekly, literally 52 times a year, I see mostly 30-40-something year old men. Certainly white and certainly straight. Those are the readers they’ve alienated. This is such an outdated view and sadly what the publishers think and operate on.
You sound like that homosexual tim seeley he says this moronic shit all the time.
i can't really think of anything since gotham academy ended that i bothered reading from them. they just suck
Wild ass speculation: Jettison the publishing division. Hand out a licence or licences to the highest bidder.
Didn't they do this with earth 2? At least more than once?
Comic books, TV shows, movies, video games are all experiencing the same exact incompetency and creative issues. You just need to let it run its course and things will work out.
It’s really quite simple. Every editor they have hates their direct market readership. They hire writers who share this view. In conjunction they create comics out of spite many times specifically meant to piss off their traditional reader.
Anyone disagreeing with me is wrong.
Were going to see lots of changes in the comming years that we thought were never going to happen a decade ago.
Source?
Link?
Isn't it weird that nobody's provided any actual evidence?
HL was garbage that had its sales propped up by normies who missed Rowling losing her fricking marbles and culture war dipshits who thought buying yet another crappy open-world snorefest would own the libs. After two months, nobody gave a damn until the game award shows didn't give it a nomination because even they have standards, then all the culture war frickwits threw a tantrum.
Suicide Squad is just another live service shitshow. Rinse, repeat.
HL proved that all you needed to do was to make a somewhat okay game that the crazy leftists would hate to drive Streisand sales.
You're not going to seriously suggest the award shows have anything to do with quality, are you? I think you're half right, but my takeaway is that the biggest troony boycott attempt ever, with software tools to identify and go after streamers who were playing HL amounted to really not that much. I'm not so sure if people at large either had no problem with Rowling, or just didn't hear about her. I suspect it may be both.
owning the libs is based
How?
>thinking the game awards are worth shit
Because over the last ten years they’ve allowed Tom Taylor, Tom king, mark Russell, Brian Michael Bendis, James tynion, Scott Snyder, Kelly sue deconnick, g willow wilson, tini Howard, chip Zdarsky, Tim Sheridan, tim seeley, Kelly Thompson (if she even exists), Jody Houser, Josie Campbell, Mariko tamaki and every other deranged perpetually online loser to run their company into the ground while people like Ben Abernathy, Paul kaminski and Katie kubert allowed them too and egged them on.
Every name I mentioned should be blacklisted from the company. Hire cheap new talent who don’t care about their ego or “legacy” and only want to deliver solid, EPISODIC, single issue comics for the type of customer that shops WEEKLY at an LCS. Focus on making the chuds happy. It really is that simple.
They can't afford to hire true talent. Too expensive.
This is why I said, specifically:
>Hire cheap new talent
Learn to fricking read moron.
>manchild who cant let go character status quo
They’re the people who buy the comics. They need to pander to them. It’s really that simple. You homosexuals who read manga should have to parse through digital only releases with the LGBTQ people because none of you are ever going to buy floppies.
>so let floppies die
They are the single most profitable release format for the big 2
>inb4 you post a list of kids books mostly dominated by pilkey and secondary release manga
This is why I specially said
>for the big 2
>Hire cheap new talent
Which is the current problem with DC. Those people you listed are the cheap new talent.
>the people you named are cheap
You’re moronic if you think this and none of the people I listed are “new”. They’re also getting premium page rates. Stop talking about comics you homosexual ass casual.
>>inb4 you post a list of kids books mostly dominated by pilkey and secondary release manga
im not that anon
>They’re the people who buy the comics
yes i get it old nerds the one who bought floppies no matter how shit the plot, but still i meant what i meant tired of spidey being butt of a joke basically 30 years old unemployed guy
>inb4 i cant self insert spidey being married
exactly see what new ultimate do making best of both worlds people who wants to see peter get married plus zoomers child gonna self insert as the kid who had spider-man as their dad instead of moron who sold his marriage to demon for wrinklyfrick aunt thats already on life support
for me its simple just stop pandering to lgbthiv+ and manchild who cant let go character status quo
>Mark Russell
>Tim Seeley
What the frick did they do?
Also imagine blaming all these people but not Dan Didio, Jim Lee, and Geoff Johns. You're a clown.
Youtubers told him they were bad
Go ahead and throw Gail Simone up there too. Be even more fair and put Frank Miller in that list. two people who had three good tries at bat and have just sucked ever since. If this was baseball they would be washed, benched, and canned. in that order.
Gail Simone actually can write good stories if she tries, and she used to put a ton of cheesecake and fanservice in her comics before Batgirl of Burnside. She's a fat woke c**t but is capable when she puts in effort.
I feel like a bunch of those writers have 1-2 good stories but it really isn't enough
More annoyed that DC is still alive. When will Warner kill them? They make shit.
I've been seeing this 'rumor' for years now, 2 more weeks right?
>I've been seeing this 'rumor' for years now
I've only seen this rumor once and it was from an out context clickbait article.
> 2 more weeks right?
No it can take years for this to happen. No need to samegay.
Same.
This is National Enquirer levels of trolling.
Just reset the status quo back to 1985, right before COIE. You have the classic versions of the characters and you can build from there. If you want to introduce more modern characters you can do that, maybe in a better way. This solves all the problems.
>This solves all the problems.
It won't be. The only way to fix this is to hire competent people, which won't happen.
Oh, I agree. But I don’t want competent writers to waste time on the mess that is current DC. Give them something they can work with and go from there.
And hire good editors too. That’s also essential.
This would kill the company as quickly as a full reboot a la new 52 would. People want the pre flashpoint status quo with small additions like kid Jon and Damian. not the pre crisis.
You could introduce those characters if you wanted and avoid a lot of other shit. You just do an update of the Super-Sons and set it a few years in the future (ala Spider-Girl) and you can do anything you want since it’s a future story.
>You just do an update of the Super-Sons and set it a few years in the future
Nobody wants this. They want kid Jon and kid Damian as if they haven’t aged a day since the last issue of tomasi’s first super sons ongoing pre-Bendis. Nobody wanted “challenges of” or “adventures of” they want in continuity Super Sons retconning the entirety of Bendis (and no Taylor, PKJ and Williamson’s run). That would require DC admitting they fricked up. They refuse to do so because of spite and arrogance.
>Dick as Nightwing with the Teen Titans
>Non-convoluted Legion continuity
>Headband Supergirl
>Everyone on the right Earth
>No stupid changes to characters like Alan Scott
>Earth-Two Superman still alive
>Donna Troy origin that makes sense
>Hawkman origin that makes sense
I’m okay with this.
On the other fricking hand:
Hal Jordan is depowered, Guy Gardner's brain dead, and we are stuck with John Stewart as GL
Wally has cancer AIDS and Barry's fricked off to the future with a resurrected Iris leaving his new girlfriend Fionna in a mental institution after Barry explicitly drove her insane gaslighting her about not being Flash because, when facing trial for murdering Reverse Flash, he refused to unmask even though his entire motive for killing Reverse Flash was tied into Reverse Flash knowing who Barry was
>>ALL character development for the Rogues are gone with Captain Cold in particular regressed to an evil thug who's character is defined by his ugliness and having a hot looking sister
>>No Bane, no Spoiler, no Tim Drake, no Harley Quinn, no Azrael, no Batman Inc (and their characters character growth), no Cassandra Caine, no Court of Owls, no Batgirl (because Babs had retired by the time Crisis happened), no Damien, and Jason Todd is a "golly gee willickers!" ginger who dies his hair black and has a hot sexy albino super villainess trying to sexually groom him
is pure cancer Silver Age: no marriage, no kid, no Ma and Pa Kent, Clark Kent being a mask Superman wears to get his masochistic jollies, Lois is a mentally ill sicko obsessed with marrying Superman because she won't have sex until she's married, Lex Luthor is a worthless mad scientist who makes Kite Man look like a bad ass, no Doomsday, Metallo is a guy in a green and orange fright suit, hell none of the shit from the Byrne reboot or JOSS that made people actually give a frick about Superman basically.
>>No Suicide Squad
>>No Sandman Mystery Theater or Starman or Johns JSA
>>No O'Neil Question, no JLI with comedy duo Blue Beetle or Booster Gold, no Ice (just evil b***h Icemaiden), Fire has no personality except ethnic scrappy, no Rocket Red or G'Nort, or Martian Manhunter Oreo obsession or Max Lord.
>>No post-Crisis Wonder Woman stuff
>no Batman Inc
>no Damien
good
>>>No post-Crisis Wonder Woman stuff
Perez ruined Wonder Woman
You’re right, Superman was much better pre-Crisis.
You do get silver age Suicide Squad, and Starlin Starman. And a reprisal of Justice League Detroit, instead of JLI.
It should just be a streamlined world like Young Justice S1
The Justice League is the big 7
Lois and Clark are dating. Lois and Jimmy know Clark is Superman.
Green Lanterns are Hal and John
Robin is Dick Grayson
Kid Flash is Wally West (the real one)
Wonder Girl is Donna Troy
The Teen Titans (including the Wolfman originals) are all high school students
Newer legacy characters like Stargirl and Mr. Terrific exist
Oldschool JSA existed on E2
Just trim the fat.
I’m fine with this too. It doesn’t have to be exactly the pre-Crisis DCU, although I still think a return to that universe and good writers/editors would solve the problems.
>Green Lanterns are Hal and John
But muh representation! We must have gay GL, lesbian GL, muslim GL, black sassy teen GL and even korean GL. Oh, and of course the writer of Green Lantern must be the guy who hates Hal Jordan.
Bronze Age DC was great. Still had the fun ideas of the Silver Age but toned down and you had horror characters like Swamp Thing mixed in.
same dumb shit Didio tried to do,no, even the literal pre-crisis boomers are too old these days, it's Pre-flashpoint people want
They tried in 2011 that only led to people hating it MORE and the biggest loss of actual fans ever.
Except in sales. Pre-crisis superman was massive in hte 50s but not afterwards, say what you will but post crisis with its triangle era and stuff like death of superman actually made superman sell again.
And then crash shortly after with the electric blue bullshit, red and blue, and whatever the frick Millennial Giants was. After the Death, Reign, and Return storyline finished they had nowhere interesting to go. Give me Bronze Age Superman any day.
Yes, yes. Lets make the characters appeal to the 50-60 yo olds who were reading comics in 1985.
Are you moronic? The kind of public they need to attract now is the DCAU/Young Justice/Teen Titans crowds.
>Yes, yes. Let’s make the characters appeal to the 50-60 yo olds who were reading comics in 1985.
Don’t be obtuse, anon. You don’t set the comics in 1985, you set the status quo at the time. You can have all the cellphones and references zoomer morons like yourself love.
The status quo from 85 also nixes a lot of post 85 status quo people under 60 liked.
>Well just introduce them later!
But why? I'd rather have the pre-Flashpoint stuff that compromised by having pre-crisis characters with post crisis ones.
You could actually introduce them in better ways, like have Damian not be the product of a drugged up Bruce.
Or better yet have Damian not exist at all.
I like Damian, though. I think he’d fit well in a Bronze Age style (but set in the present) DCU. Hell, Ra’s and Talia are both Bronze Age characters.
His whole origin reads like bad tumblr fanfiction. If Bruce is to have biological children it would make far more sense for it be with a character that is actually liked instead of one of his least popular love interests.
Bruce and Talia had already had a baby in Son of the Demon. Damian made perfect sense for the Bat-mythos but he certainly should have stayed dead after Morrison's run ended.
>let’s bring back things most people don’t care about anymore because they’re 39 years out of date and would remove tons of beloved character development
Fanboys are so goddamn stupid
DC and Marvel has been on life-support ever since 2020. WB finally decided to pull the plug.
I don't think anyone expected Rooster Teeth to close down so suddenly. Even the workers didn't know until the announcement.
>I don't think anyone expected Rooster Teeth to close down so suddenly. Even the workers didn't know until the announcement.
What did you expect, a 3 month's notice? That would be 3 months of them getting a paycheck while having 0 motivation to do anything.
and look at that, we also have the resident moron closet weeb/comicbook reader always posting his Demon Slayer screencap too
this company is so trash it deserves to burn. when morons like tini howard are constantly given work you know it's fricking over.
It's trash because the comics aren't selling. If you were a casual who casually enjoys all things DC, you wouldn't even know these comics existed.
??
Today I will remind them
>my post is a screencap
Based
moron
>image
The funny thing is, comics do get sold in grocery stores, there are anthologies and there is digital. Comics in grocery stores that sell tend to just be one and done kids books and anything more it is hard to reliably get. Supermarkets don't like products to languish on stands. Anthologies like 3-4 Bat books in one do exist, similar problem overall with supermarkets. Digital does exist but it only works best on PC and not on phones etc because comics aren't really designed for that.
I know the other reasons that always get mentioned, history of comics, entrenched industry problems, quality problems, culture wars, physical/print media decline & competition with other forms of entertainment etc. But the truth is, comics just aren't cool. Western countries have entrenched cultural ideas about comics being for losers and you can't shake that. Even billion dollar franchise movies haven't shaken that idea! Manga doesn't have the same cultural baggage, oh it has cultural baggage sure, but doesn't have the same weight to it. The US industry died as a past time when 50% of the shops closed in the '90s just as the best manga was coming over to the US. Comics aren't cool and nothing will fix that.
>Comics just aren't cool
Good, neither is manga despite what people think. Now we just need to get back to the era where women were drawn BEAUTIFUL with big well defined boobs.
Manga and anime is very cool, despite what a backwards boomer/gen X grandpa like you thinks. Get with the times, old man.
It is. I had a conversation with ONE boomer, like grew up with Death of Superman boomer and we were talking about Batman. Young guy (20s) who worked with us asked what we were talking about. We told him Batman and DC and he said he's not into that he likes media like anime and manga.
> Death of Superman boomer
lol I know it’s like 32 years old but it still feels dumb calling a guy in their 40s a boomer
He's in his 60s.
Then he didn’t grow up with DOS, he was in his 20s when it came out. It’s like saying you grew up with , idk, digital circus because you saw it in your 20s
>defensive boomer coping about his own old age and boomer takes
I was born after DoS can out
When you hit an older age like 60, experiencing something in your 20s is growing up with it.
They've never been cool. They still aren't. Normies don't care about manga or anime. Comics or rather Superheroes were cool due to the Marvel movies but thankfully that era is over.
The moment manga/anime becomes "cool" is the day Nami gets her breasts shrunken and you find out Luffy can turn into a woman thanks to his stretching powers.
>normies don't care about manga or anime.
Anime and manga are mainstream normie tier at this point. NFL players cosplay as Naruto characters when showing up to games. Pokemon is the #1 IP in the world. Paris Saint Germaine fans literally have massive One Puece banners displayed in the stadium. You are simply old and out of touch.
>Luffy can turn into a woman
Do you not know who Ivankov is? And Nami's big breasts are also normie fair. Normies like big breasts.
Fare
OK boomer
>Manga nerds seething
You are not cool. And you don't want to be cool. Being "cool" is what destroyed comics.
See picsreel
OK boomer
Being a nonbinary they/them is not cool. These woke gender xer comics failed because they aren't cool and normies hate it. Manga and anime continue to flourish because it is cool, especially compared to the gay millenial MCU, or genderfluid DC and Marvel lgbtq homosexual comics that only exist to check ESG/DEIA checkboxes, for vanguard, blackrock and state street.
>Guys Anime is so much better than comics, think of all the rich genres!
>the only shit that gets popular is shonen aka capeshit
Based. Anime showing them how to do it right and actually succeed. Meaning DC comic sales are dogshit.
>>Guys Anime is so much better than comics, think of all the rich genres!
I never said this, but yes there are varied genres. But even in Capeshit, my hero academia and one punch man mog anything the west has done recently. Western comics can't even do capeshit right anymore and that's supposed to be their bread and butter kek
>my hero academia and one punch man
Are fricking trash my dude. OPM is a meme and MHA is as rehashed as it gets. Quality in manga is the shithole.
If that's considered trash then what the frick is capeSHIT?
As shit as they are, still better than western capeshit. And don't forget that as mid as it is, KnY outsells both marvel and DC COMBINED kek
>As shit as they are
As shit as they are but nothing, it's all shit.
And what is Western Comics then? Sounds like you're mad that their slop sells better than your slop.
This. If manga is shit, then western comics are even lower than shit.
Seeing grown men weep for and cosplay as Naruto and Goku is no different than fat soibeards clapping their feet at Marvel and Spider-Man.
>if manga is shit
It's not, I'm tired of pretending it is to sate egos. It's a consistently popular medium across multiple demographics, maybe back in 2006 you could say the only people reading manga in the USA were the same people reading comics, but at this point manga has become some diversified in consumption that whining about it is like whining about television or books, you'd have to narrow it down to a genre. Meanwhile western comics are still almost exclusively read by white men ages 30+ which is especially hilarious considering the amount of pandering and "outreach" they've done, and superheroes are still 90% of what gets printed.
I'm trying to think of what western comics have had any kind of pop culture footprint in the last 20 years, I mean the comics themselves not an adaptation. All I can really think of is The Walking Dead, which was because people wanted anything Zombie related at the time, and maybe 2000AD, which wouldn't you know it releases weekly on an anthology model built around flagship series (Judge Dredd) just like manga does.
>but at this point manga has become some diversified in consumption
Black and brown weebs shitting their pants over Shonen Jump is just as cringe as white weebs doing it.
it's not just black and brown weebs being into dragonball or whatever, weebs are around but manga and anime have pretty successfully breached into normie pop culture consumption, they've got demos of both sexes, pretty much all racial groups, and ages going from young kids up to middle aged people. The Japs made the leap into an actual medium, meanwhile comics are basically collectible superhero merch that nobody actually reads.
>it's not just black and brown weebs being into dragonball or whatever
Except it, moron. And its always the worst shit that gets popular much like how the MCU made billions.
Every single Dragonball movie has flopped in America.
So has ever DCU movie....
Using Marvels and Blue Beetle for your comparision isn't a good look when everyone knew those were going to flop. More people had interest in the Flash film and shit was DOA.
Jjk and KnY were the most popular shows in japan and became the most popular anime in the west. You have literally no idea what you're talking about and it shows. You sound like a shut-in. Capeshit weebs are even gayer than anime weebs.
>Jjk and KnY
Literally Japanese capeshit for kids
And both literally outsells the combined sales of Marvel and DC capeshit. Same with Spy X Family. What does that tell you?
>What does that tell you?
Slop sells.
You're almost there. Why doesn't western capeslop sell but weeb slop does?
>Why doesn't western capeslop sell but weeb slop does?
That's easy; good advertising. Much like how Disney was able to sell to millions with their movies, the Japanese do the same through anime and video games.
Why doesn't Disney slop or western capeslop sell anymore? Are you suggesting that western marketing is inferior to Nip marketing too? If western capeslop had better marketing do you actually believe it will outsell anime and manga?
>Why doesn't Disney slop or western capeslop sell anymore?
Bad advertising.
>If western capeslop had better marketing do you actually believe it will outsell anime and manga?
That’s how Demon Slayer did it. It exploded in popularity when the anime hit Netflix.
But it does. Just because they also have flops doesn’t change the fact they do make successful stuff. You’re just a reactionary moron who doesn’t understand anything yet think you’re super clever because you buy into online hate machine talking points about go woke go broke. What Disney is primarily suffering from is having become so big that they have to out a lot of stuff regularly and they can’t all be hits and culture wars now have idiots like you use any single flop as a sign everything flops even though that isn’t the case. What you’re actually witnessing is the media landscape changing rapidly and big corporations understandably being slow to react and adapt to the new environment, because they’ve got tons of shit lined up that’s been produced with the giant tent pole blockbuster model that’s finally starting to show signs of no longer working.
>successful stuff
Name 3 from the past 5 years
>you can't
Oh going as far back as 2019?
Let’s see, in movies you had:
Captain Marvel - $1.131 billion
Avengers: Endgame made
$2.799 billion
Spider-Man: Far From Home - $1.132 billion
Spider-Man: No Way Home - $1.922 billion
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness - $955.8 million
Thor: Love and Thunder - $760.9 million
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - $859.2 million
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 - $845.6 million
The Lion King - $1.663 billion
Frozen II - $1.453 billion
Toy Story 4 - $1.073 billion
Aladdin - $1.054 billion
And then there’s things like the Mandalorian, Loki, Andor, Star Wars: Bad Batch, etc…
>Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness - $955.8 million
>Thor: Love and Thunder - $760.9 million
>Black Panther: Wakanda Forever - $859.2 million
>Successes
We all know that these are terrible movies and the only reason these films managed to perform that well (which was still considered underperforming for what they expected) was because the Infinity war goodwill wasn't yet completely destroyed.
>okay they were successful but only because blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah now let me move the goalposts
I am not that anon, just pointing out that the reasons those were successful were outside circumstances that are almost impossible to replicate.
The cope from capeshitters never fails to make me laugh.
But how come no one is "shitting their pants" (as you put it) to DC?
Only losers read capeshit, Japanese or American.
So you're saying you read it then
Cope harder grandpa
Cope your ass, I come from Mexico where absolute mouthbreathers eat this shit up like it's oxygen. Do you know how fricking demoralizing it is to see people come together in masse for fricking Dragon Ball SUPER? Not even regular DB or Z, but fricking Super.
Even I can admit this shit is embarrassing. This is stupid as frick.
Those kids are based and you are a gay capeshit slurping cabron
z is dogshit
shit sorry I meant super. I don't know why I put z
It's all shit.
>Now we just need to get back to the era where women were drawn BEAUTIFUL with big well defined boobs.
Manga is doing that and never stopped doing that boomer
Manga has a Japanese audience who are huge consumers and big into physical media who read a wide range of stuff and are willing to pay better for their entertainment. This has rubbed off onto Western audiences more, as well as the other things people like about that industry. Western comics doesn't have that. The "cool" factor is much more of an issue in the Western industry because comics have such a shambolic reputation and can't shake that after a decade of big budget movies. You can go out and find a really good indie comic, a really good series and convicing people to actually try it is a fool's errand. The cultural baggage is heavier on the things closest to you. Normal people will even watch an anime before they'd buy a comic. It is a lot higher in the pecking order.
>Comics aren't cool and nothing will fix that.
This thread can and should have ended here. The harsh true Cinemaphile will never accept is that whether or not manga is better than comics, the cultural perception that first encountered manga was much more open-minded and eager for something-anything-original than it was for comics.
Comics on the other hand have become a hotbed first for nerds arguing about whether or not Hal should be forgiven for Zero Hour decades after it happened, then for grifters trying to pretend Identity Crisis was "the good old days"
>comics are just about superheroes
And this is just another example why people don’t read comics because people just think western comics are capes and capes are pretty silly unlike movies which are kinda cool because it’s “more mature” and “serious”.
He won. He died for DC's sins.
Yeah, pretty much this too. I even read some of the non-supershitter stuff like Elvira's ongoing (remember Elvira?) and the weird futuristic one about Merlin, but somehow it's way harder to find casual discussion about them than say-Kengan Omega.
Kengan Omega is not even one of the top 20 most popular manga out there simply because it has no anime adaptation yet, and somehow it's easier to find a platform to talk about it than the fricking Elvira comic because Cinemaphile only talks about indie stuff to posture about how it's not like the other nerds.
Cinemaphile would be pretty triggered by the new Elvira comic due to what it does to justify using Lovecraft as a good guy character in it
Oh hey, someone else in this very thread has read it. Yeah, sad but true-they probably felt they had to go there to avoid hatemail. Which is sad because otherwise the comic so far has been nonstop shenanigans and Elvira being a cute.
I don’t know if it’s sad. It’s inevitable because people are more conscious of the guy and his views that are pretty incompatible with modern world and if you’re not addressing it then you essentially look like you are either condoning or trying to whitewash a very controversial part of the person. Imagine if you used Bill Cosby and pretended those rape charges didn’t exist. You just can’t do that.
It’s not like you can’t still read and like those classic horror stories, it’s more about why do you have to blindly honour and pretend certain things about the person don’t exist. It’s the same argument as why does the South feel the need to glorify confederate generals when we know what they represent and those statues and institutions bearing their names were a deliberate propaganda campaign to whitewash the losing side of the civil war. But anyway this is getting off topic.
For what it's worth, I do see your point. On the one hand I'd just rather enjoy a story about a sexy goth woman fight Cthulhu without someone trying to earn brownie points from a terminally online audience by shitting on a dead man for views he evidently recanted to some extent given he ended up marrying a israeli woman, but on the other hand given I've also read enough of the Elvira comics to know that, by and large, the writers AREN'T really interested in clout-chasing and just want to tell a funny story.
...even if another character referring to the Lucifer that Elvira met as THE Lucifer Morningstar kinda fricks with my head. Oh well, it's still less of a mindfrick than the idea that the Great Darkness is somehow merely one aspect of Lucifer. Actually is Elvira even considered a DC character still? I remember she hung out with Destiny and Cain & Abel back in the day
That was a license deal done like almost forty years ago when House of Mystery was briefly revamped to be an Elvira centric anthology book. In technical sense sure she would be considered a DC character but they couldn’t use her in anything because that contract has been dead for decades. It wasn’t a very good book anyway. Too many bad stories and the way they tried to tie Elvira to them was dumb since it wasn’t even a real horror host deal like with Cain.
Ah, that explains a lot. Though I suppose the current Elvira comic isn't exactly afraid of toeing the line of copyright infringement.
Even if the quality wasn't good, it's still a heavily in demand book as far as the cheesecake art covers and the renewed interest in Elvira.
God bless Prime, I hope he's happy now.
it's just over. There are so many problems with the general state of DC that need changing before you even get to the actual substance of the comics themselves. They're just trying to hold fro dear life as long as possible while things continue to steadily decline. Just enjoy what you can while you can
No it’s a pretty simple fix. Focus on what straight white men in their 30s and 40s want. The only people who think it’s complicated are male feminist, queer, female and POC executives and editors.
>Focus on what straight white men in their 30s and 40s want.
They're never going to do this. It's over. DC is done. They're just managing a decline and their parent company is in trouble.
Don’t say it’s impossible then, though. Say they refuse to do what’s necessary. There’s an important distinction there.
If that were actually the issue, sales wouldn't have cratered long before you decided to have screaming fits about anything that doesn't espouse your extremism.
Why would I need to cope with an embarrassing moron like you having a meltdown?
>sales wouldn't have cratered long before you decided to have screaming fits about anything that doesn't espouse your extremism.
>focusing on your paying customers rather than weirdos and foreigners online is extremism
Stop melting down bro, you're gonna be ok.
Other comic companies did that, and their sales became even worst
Name 3
Name them.
>Focus on what straight white
Yes
>in their 30s and 40s want.
No
Teenage boy demographic.
Let's be honest, they're never going to recapture the teen boy demographic. Not at $4-6 per issue.
That is what digital is for. Make it so comics have a digital version the day they hit the shelves, or a day later at most.
The stories are so bad and pointless that even if they have a huge surge in interest I'll eventually drop down to piss poor numbers again.
They are too stupid to do this. I worked on production of DC digital comics at the Burbank office from 2016-2018. People have been suggesting what you have in meetings constantly since way back then. The VPs always make excuses and shot it down, saying it would damage physical sales and make them "not special" and also said comic stores would complain. Here's another secret from the inside- digital comics have NEVER made money for DC and Marvel, and don't even break even for the costs of formatting and hosting the files. If there is a way to make DC comics sell digitally at profit, the DC VPs and marketing team have no idea how to make it happen.
Tell us more about DC.
When they brought Mags Vassaggio to tour the office, he was surrounded by 10 executives and Jim Lee came down from the C-suite to show him around our production and editorial office. They treated Mags like the second coming of Alan Moore. When Frank Miller came in, he only had one handler and only noobs like me in the office were excited about it.
In terms of comics I think Dan Didio is quite dumb, but as a human he was cool and normal and actually pretty based all things considered.
What else do you want to know?
Do they have character mandates?
So.....Could fans start making their fanfic a reality?
Very hard to believe a DC insider just happens to confirm all of Cinemaphile‘s conspiracy ramblings about C tier writers
>all of Cinemaphile‘s conspiracy ramblings about C tier writers
Tell me anon, how many C-tier writers get their shitty troon comic series that sold 1,500 copies each issue optioned and turned in to ScyFy TV series?
At least three bc that Morrison Happy show and that alien show with Alan Tudyk is based on a cancelled comic
I have read this post before.
Yeh, I've told this story multiple times in these threads. I'm the same anon writing them.
does your dad work at nintendo too
No but the mail room was staffed entirely with nepobaby Kubert nieces and nephews.
Yes but I did not go to those meetings. I was only production, not a creative or editor. I do know they did thought Milk Wars and the Young Animals imprint would be a massive hits.
Anything else that might be important for us to know?
I saw Bryce Dallas Howard and her agent outside the building and when they took her to tour the office. Her ass was as fat as it is in photos, otherwise I got nothing. Everyone I worked with in production besides the dumb manager and VPs was cool.
I'm not an "insider", I was a production guy who worked in the 3rd floor office at Burbank.
>Digital doesn't make a profit
And yet manga doesn't have this problem. Picreel is a webmanga. The first chapter and the latest chapter are given for free while "back issues" have to be paid.
This was a monthly, it made its money purely on the tankobons/trades. It got so popular that it upped its production to a biweekly schedule. It has been going for five years at this point and has only recently gotten an anime adaption.
I don't know what DC's digital strategy is but this shit ain't hard to understand. Just plan to make your money on the trades with low budget creators.
Because no one wants to read DC comics. Every single capeshit fanatic I knew for years refuses to touch the comics. They don't care and they're not interested in this slop. Now they will want a movie, but comics? They don't give a single frick.
Digital comics CAN make profit, DC was too stupid to figure it out. Every time they'd make some progress on digital comics, they'd fire the manager or VP in charge and the new person would start all over again with their dumb version of it. This lead to me wasting time reformatting the same comics over and over again in different file formats. It was very stupid but I was just following orders and collecting a paycheck. When I got hired they told me they wanted my ideas and feedback, but they would shut down every suggestion I had, so I very quickly stopped caring once I realized no one knew what they were doing.
I've been there. Turns you into a Wally REAL quick.
>Just plan to make your money on the trades with low budget creators
You'll complain it looks bad
American/western comic art looks bad when it's low budget. Manga art is more "minimal" and focused on movement (and black and white) and uses more minimal dialogue/captioning so it is possible to turn it around on a quicker timeline and tighter budget.
Also manga artists have crazy demanding hours. And teams of ghost artists who help churn it out fast
"It works for manga" because it's a completely different style made with a completely different production method for a culture with different values
>You'll complain it looks bad
So does quite a bit of DC and Marvel's output right now. The point of digital is how easy it is to publish compared to Print. You can be experimental, even a bit sloppy so long as you find an audience.
Ten pages a month, hell do it in black and white if you want, test the waters, give C-list characters a chance. Better than wasting money on picsreel.
Ironic you chose an example that is DC hiring an East Asian creator(as in, actually living in East Asia)
Imo they have the right idea with the bat family webtoon, they just shouldn't hide it behind a pay wall. The Gabriel piccolo teen Titans books and primer are genuine hits kids like, and they should focus on only that type of thing if they want money.
>I worked on production of DC digital comics at the Burbank office from 2016-2018.
Culver city gay here. You have my condolences.
Do you know any of the editors or writers?
Chiarello is the only one I had any respect for, but I wouldn't say I "know" him. Khouri was a gay but his boss Jamie Rich wS the biggest woke gay, and primarily responsible for recruiting the woketard writers and artists that killed DC
Too bad the financial failure of Disney + and the financial failure of their recent flopmovies has completely cancelled out those gains kek
No way DC is the one that goes out first, imagine the fallout of 1 of the biggest comic publishers closing shops. Audiences would just leave in droves and that would kill comic book market for years. Speculators/investors would just dump as there would be no sign of stability in there current productline. Marvel would barely eat a portion of the competition and would prob get more hurt by the amount of store closures.
Given how Image is currently expanding at an alarming rate, I don't think DC is in that bad of a condition. I mean have you seen the list of books that got announced for the "New U"?
>After Sam & Twitch: Case Files, Rat City, and Monolith get things started in March, April, and May, respectively, The New U’s rollout continues in June with the launch of Misery, Medieval Spawn, and Spawn Kills Every Spawn. Violator and Knights vs. Samurai arrive in August, followed by Deadly Tales in September and No Home Here in October. Additional upcoming titles include Focus, Spawn: The Dark Ages, She-Spawn, Bloodletter, and Spawn 77.
And that's just Spawn. SPAWN!
>Audiences would just leave in droves
What audience?
Zaslav doesn’t care, anon. He needs to cut costs and will do anything to get out of the debt hole.
>Jim Lee is on his way out, he's currently searching for alternative positions unrelated to comics
Why would anyone hire Jim Lee to do something unrelated to comics?
>I know this guy who knew this guy that got me the job despite being a complete frick up
what about black people? have they tried tapping into that market? maybe produce something they'll read hmm?
More diversity could be good/profitable you know.
Black people only like anime.
Latinos, too.
And that's another thing that gets me rolling. Japanese companies like Shusheya's shonen jump and fricking nintendo do a better job of getting black and latino people what they want than the big 2.
Every race prefers anime more than western capeshit these days.
Because Americans in these corporations are run by hubris. They don't want to get better they just get worse over time because they're so fricking arrogant. Pride comes before the fall.
Black people do read comics. Older ones. The problem is the same with all races, it’s the young people not reading comics.
Young people barely watch tv anymore too, unless it’s streaming.
They did that with Future State and those black comics like Static and it didn’t work.
Too late. We generally like anime and manga. I like Superman, too, but DC has totally ruined him.
I hope DC closes, Marvel closes, all comics shops close, all indie publishers close.
>Jim Lee is on his way out, he's currently searching for alternative positions unrelated to comics
What skills does Jim Lee have besides drawing and marketing himself? He hasn't created a memorable marketable character really. He mismanaged Wildstorm to the point of needing to sell to DC. Where can he go?
He's a trained medical doctor I believe.
he dropped that and hasn't even practiced in over 30 years, who wants a 60 year old surgeon who has no experience?
DC won't surivive the next predictive programming lockdown.
>Lets do another reset surely it will work this time.
New event just dropped
Absolute power? More like absolute failure.
"Absolute State"
We're finally free from demented comics.
DC should've taken notes from manga.
I remember being seen as a weirdo for watching anime and reading manga, back in the early 00s. Pretty cool that almost half of Gen Z are into it now.
>Warner is in talks to shut down the publishing division of DC.
Umm source?
Go Woke, Go Broke.
And nothing of value was lost.
>right now
they were in shambles since ever. the first crisis was their attempt to fix it
Quickly! Make more character gay and black!
It is crazy how badly Zaslav has run WB and DC into the ground.
90% of this board predicted it. Nothing good ever comes out of acquisitions.
I'll only get worse.
What a bunch of greedy idiots.
Fake news.
god, please buy it Disney. I just want to see superman and spidy in a crossover please
>Warner is in talks to shut down the publishing division of DC.
Guess the rumors of the character bibles were true after all. Well, congratulations for lasting for almost 100 years.
What character bibles?
I don't know what that anon is talking about, but anecdotally, Max Allan Collins claimed DC did *not* have character bibles in the 80s, but Greg Rucka talked about the Batman character bibles in the late 90s and said it had insane bullshit like Batman being a virgin. I'd be curious to know how they've changed.
Once Dennis O’Neil established control on bat editorial for a few years, and sales boomed with the 89 movie,, he made a bat bible for writers to refer to
You can read it here
theotherscottpeterson.blogspot.com/2021/05/the-batbible.html?m=1
Meanwhile Nightwing was getting sweet alien space pussy from Starfire. And was raped by underage Mirage over in Titans.
I guess Dick could always teach Bruce about the birds and bees according to O’Neil.
It’s fake news dude
shitposting aside if the joker 2 does bomb they probably will strip dc for parts.
Virgin? Does DC even know what a billionaire playboy is?
It's official then? Marvel won.
Oh so turning superman gay didn't work out huh?
Too bad but you know what they say, Go woke Go broke.
>Warner is in talks to shut down the publishing division of DC.
source: my ass and a desire to make the same generic shitpost thread for the 12 gorillionth time
the source of this info? rob liefeld. who has said dc is about to die every few months for over 10 years now.
>rob liefeld.
Did he? He only said consolidating.
>Warner is in talks to shut down the publishing division of DC.
Sauce or gtfo
Comic Book gays should chill a bit. This will only kill floppies, you'll get you Batman fix from the third party editorials that WB will license their brands from now on. You know like Schoolastic and such
>This will only kill floppies
No it won’t. No one buys DC Comics outside of Batman. Most of their comics don’t even make it in the top 50.
Marvel will continue to sell ASM and X-Men and be fine.
You guys don't actually believe this, right? DC will endure
>DC will endure
lol
I just don't see a billion dollar company shutting down iconic ips like that. Cutbacks and layoffs, sure.
They will keep selling merch and evergreen books and omnibuses of classic runs. The rest will get shut down.
>cont
They had me working for a year with an outside contractor team who made a program to quickly reformat digital comics files for their new platform. The dev team would constantly rework the program, and every time they did this, I would have to start all over reformatting comics and re-entering data on excel. After a year, they fired the VP in charge of the program and the dev team and started over from scratch with a brand new dev team and new moronic VP in charge of it. Every boomer working at that company is a clueless moron (besides Chiarello who was based)
Yes because a bunch of shitty comics matters so much.
Comics means material they can use for future projects
The new stuff is barely used. They keep refering to the old ones because the current stuff is so useless.
WB will license those characters to third party editorials and reserve the rights to adapt the stories that will come out of that if some turn out ripe for adaptation.
I mean, it probably will. As a script pitcher for DCU (Batman) movies.
>WB will outsource DC as a licensed brand
>licensing more manga and webtoons
>I think they publish the YA graphic novels in house, they might try to keep those cuz they sell
>Looney Tunes and Scooby Doo and Animated & Retro versions of DC will get licensed to Dynamite
>someone will nab the rights to publish a smaller contained "DCU" comics line. It might only be like a handful of books. Just heavy hitters. Like the Valiant reboot or Ultimate Marvel. Maybe it will be WB's edict that it will have to be synergized with James Gunn's movies.
>most likely options
>MacFarlane Studios
>Kirkman's Skybound
>BOOM
>YA graphic novels, Black Label, Elseworlds and other seminal books that inspired Gunn will have a shelf life, don't know if theyll still re publish those in house.
Sure Jan.
The proper way forward would be a Japanese style magazine model. Semi digital so you can hook them, then push subscriptions. Only thing is it has to be dense and full of high quality content, which israelites can't stand.
When is Jim Lee retiring?
Reminds me of the AT&T shit and the stuff over the pandemic. DC basically fired most of the collected editions department. (Then they also switched to a new distributor to annoy retailers.)
>Gutted their collected editions department and put out barely any books.
>Cancelled some big planned books to make into smaller hardcover editions to piss off fans such as the post-crisis Superman series.
>Cancelled a bunch of other planned omnibus editions.
>DC got paranoid about vol.1 drop off; basically post-vol.1 a collected edition's sales would drop off and decline over a series, which is natural, but DC got paranoid about it.
>Started to make omnibus editions that were far too fricking big to collect whole series in 2 books max because of this paranoia.
>Some of these books are super unwieldy and quality issues so put some people off.
>(Meanwhile fricking Marvel you can get a run of omnis practically covering the whole Claremont X-Men run or all of Kirby's FF no problem.)
>Kept cancelling series that would have sold such as some Peter David work (Supergirl/Aquaman).
>Got a reputation for cancelling books or not wanting to print stuff because of the drop off.
>So even a series people wanted, no one would bother investing in a vol.1 because it would most likely only go a few volumes before being cancelled.
>Series that did sell well and keep going were subject to them deciding to change the logos and spine designs part way through a couple times to piss you off.
>Then they decided more recently to not even bother with hardcovers and omnis and to go the compendium route which while cheaper they break/get worn super quickly.
DC deserves the shit it gets.
Anyone who doesn't understand how normie tier anime is at this point is a shut-in.
DC is DONE HAHAHAHA
>DC gays shitting on anime
It's not anime that's dying....
The DC gays in this thread are coping hard about the death of their shitty capeslop publisher, you love to see it.
WB are so fricking dumb they've just annouced they want more live service and mobile games. It plans to double down, after Suicide Squad had a meh launch.
Yes. What did you expect?
I hope they continue to hire Sweet Baby Inc on everything lololol
They can do a mobile game on the cheap, just copy the Fate Grand Order model with 2D sprites
If Jim Lee leaves, hope he makes a boss move and somehow negotiates his way to retain the Wildstorm brand and IPs.
I hope he loses any rights to it, the fricking rat.
>Japanese capeshit vs western capeshit
Oh boy
When people talk about "manga" and then post generic entry level WSJ shit I lose any respect for them. At least read something good instead of something for brainless morons.
I like dc characters and hope new stories are made
RoosterTeeth's end is very similar to what DC is like right now.
>Woke shit
>Blocks everyone who criticizes them
>Losing readers by the day thus losing money
We're truely at the end.
I would say the world is healing but at the cost of this gay ass international superhighway. I'm a zoomer and you wouldn't believe how many of us willfully say "homosexual" in real life. Yet I come on the Internet and people are constantly crying over that word. That's a tiny example but my point is the Internet ruined a lot of good things.
Even now there is hope for man
Batman broke his back attempting to carry DC.
get rid of the gays.
I'm fricking serious. This isn't a meme, this isn't a "not muh childhood" overreaction. The gay pandering HURTS SALES objectively. People see a Superman comic, they're interested because it's Superman, they take a look inside and see "Superman" kissing his boyfriend, they WON'T BUY IT.
Fricking cut it out already. You're killing yourself.
Even if they did its too late. They'd have to start following the manga model if they want younger people to even care about the books they put out.
Primer and the Gabriel Piccolo Titans books are genuine hits with k8ds. DC should ditch the floppy shit line entirely and focus on YA that's not bogged down with decades of stupid continuity.
>REEEEEEEEE GAYS KILL SALES
Not true at all. Gay people barely even show up in most books. You’re a bigot who thinks they represent the majority when in truth you’re an obnoxious small minority screaming how hurt your feelings are
nta but everyone shit their pants when Jon was turned into a homosexual. that stuff is just not necessary.
the homosexualry was just the icing on the shit cake. The age up alone destroyed any appeal the Jon had, but his gay boyfriend who also had the plot completely revolve around him was just another kick in the dick especially since it was powered by "frick straight white men"
>a character who was a child cannot be bisexual when they grow up because YOU CANNOT DO THAT
Yeah, you can. And people whining about it are just butthurt bigots.
If you want that just make one a homosexual from the get go instead of changing already existing characters.
Jon was a child. A child who had not yet figured his sexuality. You’re a bigot if this triggers you.
>You're a bigot
You say that like it isn't a compliment.
He wasn't a homosexual. And the character did not care for all that shit. Again you should make them gays from the get go. Not wait until a character is popular for you to ruin.
he was literally with two different girls who he obviously had a crush on.
>duurrrrrr bisexuals can’t like girls
I mean I know I’m dealing with mouth breathing morons here but how is it possible you cannot understand the basic definition of a bisexual in 2024?
Bisexuals are coping gay guys who can't admit to themselves they're homosexuals. No girl wants to be with a man who fricks and gets fricked by other men. No matter what they say, it instinctively repulses women.
"Trust me, I know a thing or two about repulsing women."
You are being moronic on purpose
Eat shit, you pedo trans freak. You people should be burned at the stake.
You replied to the wrong anon. I don't want Jon to be a fricking homosexual
Frick off Taylor.
Making Jon a homosexual killed the character and you and your pedophile homosexual friends bullying DC to prevent them from undoing what you did to rape the character (and actively trying to prevent any future writer from doing it by killing off possible fan suggested options to do so like how you maliciously killed off Ultraman) is why when DC Comics goes under, you'll hold a lion's share of the blame and hopefully, end up hung from the nearest tree with your eyes gouged out so you can't crawl your way out of hell.
I don't know if Jon is the character to hitch your wagon to gay or not, dude was never going to make it. Though ironically he probably was preferred by gays and women when he was a small child.
Jon was necessary because Clark is entering the public domain.
>Clark is entering the public domain
Kind of funny we got the low quality horror movie (Brightburn) before that point tbh
Honestly, at this point it's a mercy kill for them.
That actually makes a lot of sense.
>Superman and Lois Lane will enter the public domain in 2034
>Followed by Batman in 2035
>The Joker in 2036
>and Wonder Woman in 2037.
I don't know what's funnier, the fact that we could well get a Joker book as the conclusion to the "canon" Batman story, or the fact that this is technically a preordained win for Darkseid because he'll still be hanging around DC long after his greatest enemies won't be legally allowed to appear there anymore.
You don't know what public domakn is
Holy shit that makes too much sense.
DC was uncomfortable with the amount of porn being made with Jon and Damian. This was actually the reason they cancelled Super Sons and factored heavily into the decision to age up Jon.
Gay kills sales. You are coping.
Name one successful example of gay that didn't kill sales.
>you can't
The gay movie Bros proves my thesis. If audiences wanted gay, they would have gone to see Bros. Not even gays watched it kek
Ricky Martin, George Michael, Adam Lambert…
Oh you mean comics? The Authority, X-men, Batwoman, Harley Quinn…
Movies? Moonlight, Blue is the Warmest Colour, Call Me By Your Name, the Birdcage, Power of the Dog…
TV shows? Euphoria, Last of Us, Severance, Mythic Quest, Queen’s Gambit, Only Murders in the Building, White Lotus, Yellow Jackets, House of Dragon, Peacemaker…
>The Authority
And what happened to wildstorm universe?
>X-men
Literally all about Hot chicks, Logan being Logan and cool fights before gays turned ice man gay and new morons started to be introduced or established characters changed it never recovered to what it once was
>batwoman
Literally who tier who only gets pity fame due to being nepo Bruce family, show? flopped, change her name and will be less known then Vixen or even some D-lister
>Harley Quinn
Ah yes, the le bisexual (which literally was made that because its sexy for guys) which ruined poison ivy character and literally cant shoulder something on her own without including batman or joker,
Literally all of the above improves if they are straight
Cope, seethe, and go frick yourself. In that order.
>no arguments refuted
>no points made
You can leave the board and make it less gay, it will improve too.
>less gay
That would suck, so I hope they don’t leave
I accept your concession.
Now do the other 18 examples.
>And what happened to wildstorm universe?
Bought by DC during a period when they were scrambling for something, anything to stick. The entire line was mismanaged from top to bottom and it had nothing to do with all of two characters who were openly gay.
>Topic about comics
>whatabout things other then comics
I can do it, but you wont like it and will not respond to actual arguments that are posted dissmising them because you feel bad about them, but even you have to admit that majority of entertaiment is non-profitable as of current year and forced to include shit for moronic reasons
Sounds like a dodge, I accept your concession
>coping this hard
You literally gave up to make any arguments and demand that i write a post in a dying thread which is not even on topic because you got your feelings hurt, go take an air hike
about comics
things other then comics
Why are comicchuds so afraid of manga?
And it's than* btw
Its not about comics/manga/movie/etc its about gay shit being detrimant to good story because its literally not a characteristic that is needed for any story beyond bland pandering to shizos who think its somehow makes them special
But enough about heterosexual males
>I can do it, but you wont like it
Is it because every answer is going to be 'I hate not being pandered to and view anything that doesn't as pandering to everyone who isn't me'? Because that's literally the argument I see all the time.
Too many gay shit for the sale of being gay
sake*
They will sell to Disney lol
Nah, it's gonna be to Apple or Amazon. Disney is actually in the same boat as WB, WB is just further along.
If they sell to Amazon, it's only a matter of time until the Superman vs Omni-Man or Homelander crossover happens.
And we all know Amazon would make Superman eat shit to the other two, whether or not it actually makes sense.
Modern day Superman absolutely deserves to eat shit. I hope they take him back to basics and we get Golden age Superman again.
>I hope they take him back to basics and we get Golden age Superman again.
...I feel like you missed my point so hard, you somehow took away the exact opposite point. Let me try to explain again.
I think it is is more likely that Amazon will make a Grail or Batkek spinoff series, than it is that Amazon will treat Superman with anything resembling dignity.
Eh the characters will be around forever no matter what, so I don't really care.
Because you touch yourself.
Not once has any rumor thread that started with a DC logo has ever turned out to be true.
This is the REAL Final Crisis.
HYPERCRISIS WILL FIX IT
>Giving a shit
I have enough good comics to re-read with these characters and don't need anymore fanfiction or shitty movies. Don't need any more pandering to normies or them gayging up the fanbase either
>no single website is talking about DC publishing shutting down
Why are you guys getting so worked up over fake news?
>but what if its true
So what? Comic runs have overstayed their welcome by 30 years, its gotta change sometime. Im not gonna worry cause characters like batman, superman, rest of jl are icons that define the genre who will still be parodied 50 years from now (the rest can eat shit ig). Also wb will keep them around for movies and games, theyd be nuts not to. Hopefully theyll still publish them but as discrete self-contained volumes and not the mess of continuity we currently have.
>muh tranime
No one cares about your fotm pedobait
They've been struggling since the 1970s to maintain relevance when the Marvel Age began.
>he brought a squad to defend his shit taste
Truly a 41% squad mission, defending spreading degeneracy on a basket weaving forum because he failed at life, keep pushing gay shit it wont fix your life, you still be irrelevant.
An interesting case study would be, what will happen if Gunns DC era is not a financial success. I can realistically see them leaning into batman stuff for the next couple of years since that brings money no matter what, but if Gunns universe doesnt bring in profit could they look at licensing the properties to third parties?
Comics and Carttoons?