Why did America greatly lower it’s standards for comic art quality unlike manga and euro comics?
Why did America greatly lower its standards for comic art quality unlike manga and euro comics?
Why did America greatly lower it’s standards for comic art quality unlike manga and euro comics?
Probably because it doesn't pay and it gets no respect. Most people think comics are synonymous with superheroes.
When and where it did have a bit more respect is when we saw some of the best art.
>Why did Japan greatly lower it’s standards for comic art quality unlike American and Euro comics?
ftfy
Why lie?
There's only a handful of great artists left today.
>flash gordon
>good
it's not good, it's great
Even soulless art in woke big two comics leaps and bounds above your average Manga art anon
There is no money in it.
How do you know about EC yet don't know about the Comics Code?
The CCA shit was given up on years ago, it’s absolutely no excuse for such soulless looking art and action scenes
Compare to:
That looks bad, boomer
watch what you say about Kirby, punk
Seriously dump any of those drawings without the clout of the name for a proper critique and they’d be torn apart. Stan Lee made Kirby seem better than he was through hype. Even other artists on comic strips thought he was trash.
You’re out of your mind pal
Frick you
Kirby is beloved for his creativity
he releases dozens of comics a month and it shows
>Even other artists on comic strips thought he was trash.
it's literally backwards
everyone in the industry fricking loved kirby
everyone else just thought he was old time.
>contrarian larper losing control of the argument
>here’s your intense death scene, bro
That page breaks the 180 rule hard.
you're blaming the comics code? art got better after the comics code, it's no correlation. a lot of golden age art is pretty simple cookie cutter stuff
The Code wouldn't have affected much. At most maybe part of the styles of art would've gone away but post-Code art from the late 50s to the 60s was still pretty solid, from a foundational standpoint.
I say part of it is newspapers making the decision to reduce the Sunday Comics and then that brought in more comic strips that had more simplified and crude styles that could be printed in a shrunken size. There were way more people reading newspapers than reading ECs, or any comic for that matter
For every EC master piece panel there's 3 dozen utter shit 50s comics you'll never know about.
This trend continues all the way to the late 90s
After that, the single truth is that digital colouring lowered the bar so badly there's no money in drawing comics for a living anymore.
That’s really not true. You read a random 50s comic and the art will be pretty good, certainly better than average now
>You read a random 50s comic and the art will be pretty good, certainly better than average now
You'll find decent point A-Point B illustrations very rigidly modeled from the same standardized art courses, very bland art and very stock angles and styles.
Cry all you want but that style of art isn't popular anymore after Jim Lee and anime/manga.
It isn't popular because no one can do it.
If it was popular, people would actively seek out old comics to read, since they're all easy and free to find online. But they don't. even old manga gets more new readers than old 50's comics. In a technical sense Tezuka or Ishinomori are worse artists than a random EC illustrator, but who's more read?
1. no they wouldn't. normal peoples by default consume what's new rather than what is the best. otherwise we'd all just read/watch/listen to the same old stuff.
2. I do actively seek out old comics to read.
>If it was popular, people would actively seek out old comics to read, since they're all easy and free to find online.
Most people don't know how to find free comics online. Stop confusing Cinemaphile with reality
Those guys from the 50's were right out of WW2
They took their GI bill and went to art school and spent countless hours drawing still-lifes and the human figure, on bristol board, with a brush, with india ink
Artists now learn to draw by looking at other comics and finish it up using a computer
Ya Eric Stanton drew while on a ship and people paid him to draw pinups. That is how his career started
>drawing big tiddy lesbians for your war buddies in a submarine deep beneath the pacific
BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED
Artistic standards in America are rapidly collapsing across the board (eventually they will in Japan too, or perhaps the process has already started).
the third most viewed anime last year was an adaptation of this manga
Pretty sure OP was talking about superhero comics.
>unlike manga and euro comics?
eurocomics are 90% disposable garbage too
I mean he probably wasn't talking about cartoon strip-like comics.
You mean the fully painted books that end up putting out like 10 books tops most of the time and just meander around because the artist just wants to draw breasts but not commit to porn or plot?
Seriously the best drawn Euro comics in terms of detail and "realism" are almost all frustratingly bad. Its the cartoony ligne claire stuff thats actually good most of the time.
>all euro comics are porn
AmericanTaliban think anything showing skin is porn
All comics are porn on Cinemaphile because someone's fapping to 'em.
>all euro comics are porn
That's the opposite of what I was saying
>the best drawn Euro comics in terms of detail and "realism" are almost all frustratingly bad
Even so they tend to be by far and most consistently superior choice when compared to both their americans and japanese counterparts respectively in terms of quality
>he reads post collapse eurocomics
Golden age of eurocomics was 1975-1985, 1988, TOPS. Anything later is trash or straight out porn.
And most of the good stuff was in early metal hurlant.
Most of the best Euroshit I've read is from before and after this period.
>mfw someone just unironically implied to my face that druillet, moebius, caza and tamburini are bad
>Tamburini
You mean Liberatore?
Great artists, but that isn't everything.
The italian scene was a bohemian clique of artists for artists, they barely gave a shit about readers. Neither did the early french scene but they were more pretentious about it
And I mean it. You think these guys painted with airbrush for the memes? Nah they hanged out with musicians and professional painters all the time. Luis Arroyo hanged out with Juan Giménez and they probably exchanged groupies.
its not a cartoon strip, its release in a chapter format. Even so, claiming that japanese comics are the peak of the medium is completely moronic. Im not knocking this comic btw, its very good its called 'ousama ranking' you should check it out.
I didn't say it's a cartoon strip:
>cartoon strip-like comics
ok then ur a chimp who bathes in its own shit
It's not my fault that you misread my post.
my bad, i thought you were making a functional argument
I was.
Yeah, it's great.
It's actually true that Kirby wasn't given much respect by a lot of his peers who worked outside of capes and while he was at DC after Marvel editorial had other artists do a lot of touch ups on his Superman art. He was generally regarded as an artist who worked fast rather than one who put out high quality work. Obviously the industry came around to him eventually but his strength was the page as a whole and dynamism over raw "quality" art so he's not exactly the guy I'd lead with if I were to complain about a supposed decline in comic art.
Ho frick, that's worse than Squirrel Girl.
I Doubt cartoonists can compete with Hollywood productions.
Nice drawing, but I'm not sure about this type of digital colouring. It makes everything look very samey.
This right here.
Before printing technology improved there was a lot more work for paper and ink drawing. Every catalogue, every ad, everything needed an artist who could render whatever was being sold enough to sell it. That means there's a lot of people developing those skills, a lot of people paying for those skills, a lot of people teaching those skills. The commercial need for those artists went away when technology changed, so what was learned was not practised or taught outside of ever diminishing circles.
Euro comics and manga are still mainstream and profitable enough to maintain the something of the technical level. Western comics had two things undercutting them; one is that most artists are either self-taught so any transmission of skills is essentially random, or they are taught in schools that don't focus on this kind of art.
In Japan it isn't just manga but also anime, games, light novels, album art, vtubers, doujin stuff, and whatever else.
Most of that is shit though.
It also seems like manual drawing for engineering is also given less emphasis in schools as CAD came into the picture.
why didn't these illustrators go on to teach at art schools even your local community colleges?
why instead are art schools not close to the industry taught by "fine artists" obsessed with CIA brainwashing
Because you don't actually know much about art or art education. a fine arts program t hat promotes the modern art you hate is completely different from a commercial arts program people interested in doing stuff closer to comics would take. You still see plenty of classic illustrators teaching at decent schools. every now and then some state lucks out and you get a good illustrator working at some tiny school in the midwest.
But its also that a lot of those artists make more money through commissions or selling art, or just plain dislike teaching.
First, I think most artists draw digitally and I would venture to say a lot of them don't have the skills required to make things look good with pencils and inks physically and think that tweaks they make in digital will cover up the lack of skills they have. Also a lot of earlier artists in american comics had experience drawing elsewhere and brought those skills with them when drawing comics. Second, there's also way more comics on stands/stores nowadays than there were back then, just take a look at Marvels output, it's like every character gets a series or mini. So there's now way that all of them are going to look good when you have to have 30 different artists working on books. Finally, I'm sure there's some panel structure or rough idea laid out by the writer and if they can't sequence the panels in a way that serves the art or the story properly, it's going to look whack regardless of how good the actual art is.
the downfall of comics is a long and depressing story
it starts with the CCA
ends with America's obsession with brands
EC comics were the best era about USA comics
The same reason we lowered our standards for fricking everything.