because while Alia works in a literary format where the reader can envision whatever they want outside of the constraints of reality, a movie actually has to cast a little girl who has to somehow act like she has the wisdom of an old Reverend Mother, and that's very hard to pull off.
In 84 you can see Alicia Witt literally holding back laughter as she does her lines, even dubbing her over doesn't help
>that's very hard to pull off.
Lynch pulled it off.
That no-name director who made the Syfy miniseries pulled it off.
Could it be that Villeneuve just isn't a particularly good director?
>literally laughing on screen
Imagine not understanding what a smug expression is. Imagine thinking that child actors who can actually show nuanced emotion with their lips are actually just about to break into laughter.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
There is not a child alive that can show nuanced emotion
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That's why you find a stunted adult like Webster.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Maybe not anywhere around you.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
child harry potter was pretty good at showing hidden contempt but also fear of his fake father abusing him at the same time, and joy at his step brother getting scared while juggling it with guilt/fear when the dad notices
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The first few Harry Potter stories are very simple and they worked because Chris Columbus was basically hovering over their shoulders telling them all EXACTLY how to deliver their lines, scene to scene
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Alia's actress was outright laughing at the Spacing Guild costumes in the TV show. It was not "smug."
Because again, you have no opinions of your own and just believe the opposite of whatever perceived Boogeyman exists in your head because you have a chip on your shoulder
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
What boogeyman? What chip on my shoulder?
I legitimately think DUNC is a great pro-life movie. In fact, a lot of Villeneuve movies are overtly pro-life
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You sound moronic and are projecting whatever weird insecurity you have onto the situation. Talking Alia in the womb was one of the good changes to the second film, in a movie with some questionable changes
>Even Lynch thinks it's shit
Wrong. Lynch hates that he didn't have final cut. That's all there is to it.
You Villeneuve drones are dishonest pieces of shit who always take stuff out of context to fit your narrative.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You Villeneuve drones are dishonest pieces of shit who always take stuff out of context to fit your narrative.
You literally pretend that the message of the book is that its good to follow Messianic figures, incel. It doesn't get more dishonest than that.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You literally pretend that the message of the book is that its good to follow Messianic figures
Wut? No. And neither did Lynch or Frank Herbert when they wrote the film script.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Yes, chud, you did:
>in which Paul's messianic status is uncritically celebrated.
In book Dune it basically is too.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That wasn't me, brainlet.
And also, that post isn't talking about the film, but the book.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Can you stop pretending to be an anti-/pol/tard as a bit? I'm the other one arguing against the Lynch version and you're just shitting up the discussion and making it worse by constantly saying chud and incel.
Alia's actress was outright laughing at the Spacing Guild costumes in the TV show. It was not "smug."
Funny how no one ever complained that Alia was bad or that her actresses did a bad job before Dennis Villanova decided that he was "too good a director" to work with child actors, isn't it?
>Funny how no one ever complained that Alia was bad or that her actresses did a bad job
yes they did lmao, why lie?
what's next, pretending no one ever said that 1984 Dune is a bad movie?
>yes they did lmao
newbies spotted. Go back where you came from.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
based delusional reality denier
alia having nearly all her lines clearly dubbed because of how bad her line delivery was is also le heckin kino am i rite
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>having nearly all her lines clearly dubbed because of how bad her line delivery was
Holy. Fricking. Shit.
You actually thing that was the reason for the dubbing? Really?
How fricking media illiterate can you possibly be?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
(You)
No. Only emotionally stunted autists think it was out of character or bad acting.
Notice that nobody can say anything good about Lynch Dune without comparing it to DUNC
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Maybe you should search the Cinemaphile archives for posts made about Dune before 2021?
Or just read this thread and see how people applaud the portrayal of Alia in Dune, without comparing it to anything in DUNC (because there's nothing in DUNC to even compare it to)?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The entire thread is comparing it to DUNC, incel.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The entire thread is comparing it to DUNC
How? Where?
DUNC doesn't have any of those Alia scenes. There's nothing to compare. And not a single post mentioning Alia in Dune draws any comparison to anything in DUNC. At most, people point out that there isn't anything of the sort in DUNC.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you can't compare a duck with green feathers to a duck that doesn’t have any feathers at all!
Fricking moron
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No, you cannot compare green feathers to feathers that do not exist. "Fricking moron."
>How? Where?
literally in the OP, incel.
>literally in the OP
The OP does not praise or condemn the portrayal of Alia in Dune at all. The OP merely states that he thinks the character of Alia (from the books) is great, and asks why she isn't in DUNC. There is no comparison with the Dune film or any praise of it in the OP, unless you think that pointing out that the character was in it is itself praise. Which would be a ridiculous notion: Including characters from the book is the bare minimum an adaptation should do, not something laudable.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Your coping is getting more and more desperate, incel.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>How? Where?
literally in the OP, incel.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>whatabout the threads from 10 years ago
Completely irrelevant
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Completely irrelevant
No. Not irrelevant. People have been praising Lynch's Dune for decades, long before DUNC was even a thing. So your whole point that >nobody can say anything good about Lynch Dune without comparing it to DUNC
is moot.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
can say anything good about Lynch Dune without comparing it to DUNC
I'm talking about here and now, this very thread. Not hypothetical threads that may or may not have existed in the past.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>I'm talking about here and now, this very thread.
Kek. Right. Careful you don't break your back dragging that goalpost all across the field.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why does the lynch version get such shit reviews across the board? Is the right question instead, why do so many pretentious brainlets with poor taste occupy Cinemaphile?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Why does the lynch version get such shit reviews across the board?
Almost like it's a trash movie huh?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Exactly, I don't know how these delirious dandruff eating mongrels can defend this.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I unironically envy McMillan.
I can only wish I could get a role, get told to go ham on it, and have the time of my life playing the character that is so absolutely, irreversibly, off his fricking rocker.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Why does the lynch version get such shit reviews across the board?
Because the editing in the second half ruined it. And even then it gets mostly middling reviews, not "shit" ones. Not that reviews even matter much. DUNC proves how inaccurate those can be.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Why does the lynch version get such shit reviews across the board?
It doesn't.
Ah, yes, because we all know how much "zoomers" love films from the 80s as opposed to shit that just came out.
Projecting much, literal Villeneuvetard?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No, only zoomers latch on to an older thing out of contrarianism and talk about muh soul, all while denying there were ever criticisms of it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Its exactly the same thing they did with the Star Wars prequels. Chud contrarians literally pretend that the prequels were beloved until RLM came around. This is how young and dumb they are.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>contrarianism
Literal Reddit buzzword that poresumes that people cannot ever have an opinion of their own. You're just a sheep who follows what you perceive as a consensus opinion because your favourite youtuber said so.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
People can have an opinion of their own. Chuds can't.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>literal Reddit buzzword
Average Lynchtards self awareness
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Even Lynchtards freely admitted that his Dune is one of the worst films ever made until DUNC was announced.
Lynch did pull it off, though, but he did it unexpectedly.
The girl acts and sounds like as if she is posessed, which adds on to creepiness, but is different to what would be done in the book.
Villainnuevo took the easy route and I don't blame him. Child actors can easily ruin the movie.
Child actors today are even worse so I don't blame Denis IF that's the real reason. Alia in Dune 84 and the miniseries was executed perfectly but good luck convincing some 12 year old zoomer girl to act out Alia. Good fricking luck.
The fetus in DUNC was laughable. Not the child wielding a dagger in the film, the miniseries and the book.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Nobody in the entire world, including you, believes this.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Every reasonable human being believes this.
Only Villeneuve bootlickers delude themselves into thinking that the book was trash and their messiah Dennis waging a Jih... "Holy War" on it is a good thing.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
84 Alia is a memorable visual image and character that will stay, as will Lynch's Dune. DUNC is already forgotten.
>Why does the lynch version get such shit reviews across the board?
Almost like it's a trash movie huh?
Sting was perfect as Feyd.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Sting was perfect as Feyd.
you clearly didn't read the book to spew such blatant lies
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>84 Alia is a memorable
84 Alia is ridiculous. I commend the attempt, but only tone-deaf autists that only care about book accuracy could like it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Sting was perfect as Feyd.
you clearly didn't read the book to spew such blatant lies
Shills that should DIE.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>If you disagree with my shit take you are a shill
ok moron
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Feyd is not a skinny weak twink like Sting
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Right. Feyd obviously is a bald white Nosferatu-looking twink like that cheap Elvis imitator.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No, Feyd is strong.with muscles. Not a weak skinny twink.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Feyd is a b***h in the novel. He cries when a slave starts beating him. He poisons Paul before their fight and still barely gets a scratch on him.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
We are talking physically, Feyd is strong and has muscles. And he is described as such directly when compared to Paul who is small and skinny.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>that only care about book accuracy
Wait, so you're saying that ... Lynch's Alia was pretty much a perfect depiction of the character in the source material ... and that that's somehow a bad thing?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
SOVL. DUNC can get raped and killed.
You and I, my friend, should leave this thread. We waste breath and energy.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>so you're saying
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Feel free to clarify what you were saying if you don't like how it came across. Rather than posting memes, you could have just done that.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Wait, so you're saying
You are an autistic moron with comprehension issues.
Please refrain from posting about media more complex than the Teletubbies.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
See
Feel free to clarify what you were saying if you don't like how it came across. Rather than posting memes, you could have just done that.
, shitposter.
If you cannot make a cohesive point, don't throw a tantrum over people not getting it and instead taking you at your word.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The only one with an autistic meltdown is you.
If you like the 84 Alia, or the Sting-Feyd unironically instead of considering it, so to speak, a product of its time, you are tone-deaf.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
And again, you fail to actually make a point, instead spouting shallow insults. Will you keep this up or can we eventually pivot to some kind of actual debate?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you fail to actually make a point
>So would have been a cringefest.
See [...].
When that viewpoint is based in nothing but childish feelings and with no further elaboration than "HECKIN' RESPECT OTHER PEOPLES' OPINIONS" than yeah, I will not.
You ignoring the point (or being unable to understand what is a tonally dissonant scene) doesn't mean I have no point.
You having no theory of mind has nothing to do with the issue being existent or not.
You cannot be cured but FYI there is therapy for your condition.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>theory of mind
Oh wowie, he pulled out the big words. have a nice day.
>They do not.
They absolutely do.
You can think of casting whatever you want, but Feyd, Gaius Helen, Shaddam and Irulan most definitely look very unique from each other and distinct in DUNC.
They do not at all. Each character has very drought colors in their appearance and costumes.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>very drought colors
GOOD MORNING SAAR
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Oh wowie, he pulled out the big words. have a nice day.
So am right - you have been diagnosed with autism.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>They do not at al
yeah bro they basically look like the same character am i rite
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>doesn't mean I have no point.
And yet you fail to make it, for the third consecutive post (at the very least). You really prefer ad-hominems, it seems.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>And yet you fail to make it,
And I again tell you that you being tone-deaf is not counter-point. People cringed about Alia since 1984.
FYI - if you cannot see that, here's the thing - for similar reason, they also cringe IRL about you.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>People cringed about Alia since 1984.
That is factually wrong. And you still have not actually made a point, or clarified how you supposedly didn't mean to say what you said, that Alia was accurate to the book.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The fetus abominatus was terrible, though.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
why?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Because it's fricking goofy.
A being has barely developed any brain matter, but already utilizes genetic memory and starts influencing both mother and her brother.
For redditards like you who can't watch the film without going full "ackshyally", of course.
There were about a dozen actually laughable things in the Lynch movie.
Because its fricking garbage for pedos and would have ruined the film just like it ruined the book >Alia works in a literary format
She doesn't. Its embarassing to read.
Alia is intentionally absent in the plot to indicate that DUNC's timeline is different from the canon timeline
See pic rel
I finished this chapter today and I was surprised to learn that he has a vision of all of this a third into the book. Not saying it's better or worse than the movie, I'll have to finish it first.
What's the point you're trying to make with this passage? Everything he sees in the second vision happens in Herbert's version as well, just inbetween books
The first vision where he says "hello grandfather" (and kills him) happens in Dunc 2 but not in the books, which is a significant departure considering the baron dies to Alia in the books
Yeah, but that's not some grand subversive long-term plan from Villeneuve, that's just him winging it after writing Alia out because he noticed that a hack like him who cannot even direct professional grown-up actors properly would never be able to get a child to give a decent performance.
Because its fricking garbage for pedos and would have ruined the film just like it ruined the book >Alia works in a literary format
She doesn't. Its embarassing to read.
>pubescent child
Kek. You have no idea what "pubescent" actually means. Alia is nowhere close to puberty, not even in the adaptations that age her up.
If anyone, Paul is pubescent (at the start of Dune).
>pubescent child
Kek. You have no idea what "pubescent" actually means. Alia is nowhere close to puberty, not even in the adaptations that age her up.
If anyone, Paul is pubescent (at the start of Dune).
>I am not a pedo, its ackchually a 1000 year old soul inside a toddler's body
You do realize that there can be reasons to want to see characters on-screen other than having a raging boner for them, right?
Let's assume, for a moment, Villeneuve had written the Reverend Mother Mohiam out. I'd still lament that and I'd be here arguing that it was a bad idea. Would you then call me a gerontophile?
Hell, does me lamenting that Thufir got shafted in DUNC2 make me gay?
Why are you so obsessed with sexual deviancy anyway? Closeted, anon?
There has never been an instance of a "1000 year old goddess in a child's body" that wasn't an excuse for pedophilia. It is obvious that Herbert had a raging boner the entire time he was writing "Children of Dune".
>Only a closeted pedo would take issue with pedophilia!!
Why are pedochuds always like this?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No, it's closeted people like yourself who see pedophilia (or gayness, or bestiality, or anything else, really) who see that thing everywhere.
You're not calling something out that's actually there, you're projecting something.
Yes homosexual, it does. NuDune is gay and soulless, and Dune 2 was Chani acting like a seething c**t for 50% of the movie. Nu Dune completely misses the point of Dune. Lynch Dune hard mogs it.
>Nu Dune completely misses the point of Dune. Lynch Dune hard mogs it.
Confirmed for not having read the book. Lynch thought that Dune is a classic adventure story in which Paul's messianic status is uncritically celebrated.
I read an article once that Dune 84 plays like an actual propaganda film the Muad'dib priesthood would put out to mythologize his victory and I thought that was a fun notion
Lynch Dune completely misses the entire point of the ending of the book, I don't think this is controversial to say. The Jihad should be a looming dread throughout the movie and it happening at the end is a tragedy which is not at all conveyed in the Lynch version.
people need to stop trying to adapt the dune series into tv or film. it's unadaptable, mostly because the key ingredients are so triggering that people start omitting things entirely (spacing guild) or rewriting shit (dunc), or misunderstanding the first book because they never read the sequels (lynch dune)
chuds: >I am supposed to believe that Zendaya, a tiny little woman, can beat fully grown man in a sword fight? Villeneuve is a hack!
also chuds: >NOOO WHY DID HE CUT THE KNIFE-WIELDING NINJA BABY? VILLENEUVE IS A HACK!!!!!
It's definitely a change but I understand why they did it, most of the criticism of Paul as a false prophet exploiting the Fremen comes from his own internal monologue in the book, something you can't really capture on screen.
making Chani the voice of skepticism of Paul's myth is a smart change and adds to the tragedy of the ending, even if it does leave Messiah in a precarious situation considering Paul and Chani's loyalty to each other is the main throughline of that story
>It's definitely a change but I understand why they did it, most of the criticism of Paul as a false prophet exploiting the Fremen
Only r*dditors with their "media literacy" read this kind of subversive "decolonialist" garbage into the story
He left in scenes of Paul grasping with his status as a false prophet with Jessica, and that should've been enough. But he had to rape Chani's character wholesale for pointless girlboss moments
Denny has utterly failed as an auteur if he thinks he needs to structure his film to be understandable by the biggest morons. He may as well go direct capeshit for marvel at that point
Am I the only one that liked Alia's actress laughing/smiling (in both 84 and SyFy)? It comes across as this borderline omniscient freak just disrespecting everything about Paul's enemies right to their faces. I think it worked within the context of the scenes.
I read the book a long time ago. I don't remember the child stabbing the emperor. Is that really how the book ends? I remember Paul sstorming the throne room but no "then the baby stabbed the emperor"
Can you imagine the heart of a oppressed people seeing their savior? Centuries of prophecy coming true?
For Christians, this movie has a special appeal. We wait our savior too. Can you imagine the joy in the day of the Lord? Meeting Jesus in heaven? After Death is defeated?
dune is great because it's many things to many different people. to me i love dune because it shows how easily manipulated people are by religious belief and prophecy and bullshit like that. i love the guilt and remorse paul has for the rest of his life for pretending to be a messiah when all he did was take performance enhancing drugs
>dune is great because it's many things to many different people.
Totally.
I loved the movie because there are some cool scenes (like Paul arriving to the war council or him nuking the mountains), others liked because of the story or whatever.
>dune is great because it's many things to many different people. to me i love dune because
Are the novels worth reading, anons? I don't know that much about them. I believe the author died and series continued with new writers and that there are many novels. Should I just read Frank Herbert's work?
They should have had her show up at the end if just to show the passage of time
The events of the DUNC 1 and 2 take place over what ? 3 months ?
Lady Jessica isn’t even SUPER pregnant at the end
Alia is the very thesis of what makes Dune so unique and memorable. A small child with the wisdom of a 9,000 year old Reverend Mother who's stronger than anyone in the series and is a brat about it. It's wild, out there and kino. By removing that, Denis betrays the fact he is not a visionary at all who can put his all into challenging what is 'filmable' or not and just went for the safe option which is undignified even if it made the digestion of the film by the hordes of morons that populate this earth easier. Same thing with removing Baron raping little boys specifically bred to look like Paul to death, Mentats having bushy brows and red-stained lips and being effeminate and dolty, the Guild Navigators who morphed into fishmen and the general, all-around aesthetic of a truly epic Sci-Fi story set 10, 000 years into the future. It's a failure full-stop but it doesn't matter. The material is besides the point. It's fodder to use every dishonest filmmaking technique under the sun to get the masses and the film "buffs" (parasocial psychotic nobodies) to shill and consume and get every meme actor to lead them into that more easily. Denis probably never even heard of Dune before making the first one. He's a poser and like all posers, he gets off on shallow, ignorant praise by complete and utter buffoons who don't know any better. A cacaphony of utter insanity. There is no hope, ingenuity or good will left in this sublunar world of ours. We are all left to the devices of mad men and evil creatures straight from the imagination of Clive Barker or other renowned horror writers. There's nothing more horryfying than looking down at the mindless masses. No individuality, no soul, no clamoring for knowledge and growth, no true vision of who they are and what they want. I wish killing them all would solve something but it would not. It wouldn't even be mercy as they cling to life like a disease despite having no appreciation for it or every breath they take. I am saddened.
have a nice day. I say that from a place of deep-seated resentment but also pity. You don't like Dune, you don't care about Dune or even DUNC, or even Denis. You're a sheeple person, someone who doesn't deserve to be called a human, much less a man. You shill and defend this piece of media because you're inherently a slave beholden to the status quo, the propaganda and garbage it produces that to you it is unthinkable that you should doubt them for a second. They supply you with goyfeed, goydrink and pornography to sedate your every core desires and to make sure you don't live long enough to have a momentary break of conscience once you grow old from your slumber of which you've been in your entire life. I pity you. I truly do. You do not have an internal monologue or an appreciation for arts, the aesthetics and the clearly-defined soul within great pieces of art, one of which is the David Lynch rendition of Dune which despite it's limitations and the severe mismanagement behind the shooting of the film, had nothing but true artists working on it. From the sets, costumes, to the performers themselves and the visual effects carefully handcrafted with care and precision, all working to a singular vision but the decision of one executive to not give David final cut priviliges lead to him, in his own psychotic haze, to write the film off only to backtrack multiple times in later years and admit that the film was creatively sound despite many adjustments and restraints. That initial faux-condemnation serves as the epitus of all detractors of Dune '84 ever since and despite Lynch's later statements rendering this counter-point null and void, it is still parroted by ignorant, worthless subhumans such as yourself. The film has created many moments that have permutated through popular culture and have perservered and the test of time is the truest, most telling test of them all. A month after release, DUNC by Denis Villabananas has been forgotten.
>You shill and defend this piece of media because you're inherently a slave beholden to the status quo, the propaganda and garbage it produces that to you it is unthinkable that you should doubt them for a second.
You see what are you doing here? You are projecting your line of thought.
People just prefer DUNC, while you are defending a mediocre movie with some good visual idea and production design because for you accepting that the new movie is better in most aspects was unacceptable even before watching it.
We will never have good media again because contrarians like you are the flipside of the goysloppers. Both are the complete death of any critical analysis and rational approach to things.
>You don't like Dune, you don't care about Dune or even DUNC
Correct, I didn't watch any of the films or read any of the books or play any of the videogames, I don't care about shitty scifi.
I hit the bullseye by calling you out as a pedo though.
i hate morons who think a slavish devotion to the book is all that matters
even when im writing a book i dont expect it to be 1:1 translated for film because they're different mediums
If book accuracy is what's desired people should be talking about the TV show which despite the budget was incredibly faithful. Lynch's version was not faithful even if it had some great imagery.
>slavish devotion to the book is all that matters
No one thinks that. Lynch's film does not follow the book slavishly, and it got lots of shit for that from the same plotgayging subhumans who now aore DUNC for being an outright insult to the themes of Dune.
In fact, in terms of following plot events like a checklist, DUNC comes much closer to being a 1:1 adaptation than Lynch's Dune did, despite writing out or significantly changing the characters and themes.
have a nice day. I say that from a place of deep-seated resentment but also pity. You don't like Dune, you don't care about Dune or even DUNC, or even Denis. You're a sheeple person, someone who doesn't deserve to be called a human, much less a man. You shill and defend this piece of media because you're inherently a slave beholden to the status quo, the propaganda and garbage it produces that to you it is unthinkable that you should doubt them for a second. They supply you with goyfeed, goydrink and pornography to sedate your every core desires and to make sure you don't live long enough to have a momentary break of conscience once you grow old from your slumber of which you've been in your entire life. I pity you. I truly do. You do not have an internal monologue or an appreciation for arts, the aesthetics and the clearly-defined soul within great pieces of art, one of which is the David Lynch rendition of Dune which despite it's limitations and the severe mismanagement behind the shooting of the film, had nothing but true artists working on it. From the sets, costumes, to the performers themselves and the visual effects carefully handcrafted with care and precision, all working to a singular vision but the decision of one executive to not give David final cut priviliges lead to him, in his own psychotic haze, to write the film off only to backtrack multiple times in later years and admit that the film was creatively sound despite many adjustments and restraints. That initial faux-condemnation serves as the epitus of all detractors of Dune '84 ever since and despite Lynch's later statements rendering this counter-point null and void, it is still parroted by ignorant, worthless subhumans such as yourself. The film has created many moments that have permutated through popular culture and have perservered and the test of time is the truest, most telling test of them all. A month after release, DUNC by Denis Villabananas has been forgotten.
>that ending scene where Paul is killed and all the Fremen and his allies speak in his voice, to let the witch who killed him know that she's accomplished nothing and that he lives in all of them
KINO
It annihiliates nothing. Chud in that image is completely correct and non-contradictory. Deviating from the book is only allowed if you're creative about it and substitute what you changed with kino.
>Mentats having bushy brows and red-stained lips and being effeminate and dolty
I know you're trying really hard, but you really missed the fricking spot here
Piter and in a lesser instance Fenring might be considered effeminate, but Thufir Hawat was always a chad of chads.
Even the Emperor feared him, and that was with Fenring to protect him and a Hawat way past his prime.
Making him look effeminate would have been a mistake from the get-go.
Alia as in the book is unfilmable. Lynch and mini-series totally did NOT pull it off.
Said this, Denis disappointed me a bit here. He should have used some trick to have Jessica stab the Baron with a Gom-jabbar, but using camera work to see that observers in the room see Jessica, but we the audience see (adult) Alia.
There was no obstacle with this. Adult Alia was already introduced, and Paul could have finished in the same way an Agonizing baron.
Look at this image. Look at the costumes, the composition, the choice of performers, the hairstyling, the expressions, the set structure, the way they're all so unique from each other and how you can tell what kind of characters they are just from looking at them. Feyd, Gaius Helen, Shaddam, Irulan. David Lynch's Dune was cinematic magic. These are the real characters from Frank Herbert's novels. Absolutely BEAUTIFUL.
Even Lynch disagrees, lmao.
You nostalgiagays are pathetic.
He did admit he didn't feel as invested because he knew he wouldn't have final cut. However he's a much better director, so he's much more capable of making a great movie, even if he was half-assing it.
>Even Lynch disagrees
No, he doesn't. Why do you try so hard to push this narrative?
The ONLY thing Lynch had a problem with what that he did not get final cut, and that therefore the resulting film is not his own vision.
>The ONLY thing Lynch had a problem with what that he did not get final cut,
So we don't know what he would have cut.
Can you go one step further, moron?
They do not. Feyd is hairless which immediately tanks his visual appeal, Shaddam and Irulan are miscast and as such they're out. Gaius Helen was very good as in the actress was good but she had her face covered and that wasn't unique or memorable like the '84 Gaius Helen.
>They do not.
They absolutely do.
You can think of casting whatever you want, but Feyd, Gaius Helen, Shaddam and Irulan most definitely look very unique from each other and distinct in DUNC.
>he doesn't know that the Bene Gesserit robes are reminiscent of the Kuroko, or black clothes, of theater props movers/set manipulators in Kabuki as symbolism for them being those who control everything from the darkness.
The Bene Gesserit are meant to be a formless, non-unique, ominous group who control the Universe from the Shadows. They don't need to "stand out" and be unique as individuals.
This guy is what I imagined Feyd to look like, with the black hair and all. Feyd should've been a dark mirror to Paul, as in he was a handsome young prince with very similar features but also the polar opposite of Paul in personality. They, of course, ruined this in DUNC.
>You shill and defend this piece of media because you're inherently a slave beholden to the status quo, the propaganda and garbage it produces that to you it is unthinkable that you should doubt them for a second.
You see what are you doing here? You are projecting your line of thought.
People just prefer DUNC, while you are defending a mediocre movie with some good visual idea and production design because for you accepting that the new movie is better in most aspects was unacceptable even before watching it.
We will never have good media again because contrarians like you are the flipside of the goysloppers. Both are the complete death of any critical analysis and rational approach to things.
>I JUST HECKIN PREFER IT STOP DOING WRONGTHINK OR I'LL CRY INTO MY WIFE'S BOYFRIENDS ARMS
Kill. Yourself.
>>I JUST HECKIN PREFER IT STOP DOING WRONGTHINK OR I'LL CRY INTO MY WIFE'S BOYFRIENDS ARMS
See above, you have literal issues in understanding other points of view, autismo-kun.
When that viewpoint is based in nothing but childish feelings and with no further elaboration than "HECKIN' RESPECT OTHER PEOPLES' OPINIONS" than yeah, I will not.
NOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO PICK ONE SIDE AND SAY THE OTHER IS THE WORST THING ON THE PLANET NOOOO YOU CAN'T ENJOY TWO THINGS AT ONCE ARE YOU CRAZY OMG
The general point is that people love Dune for something DUNC sucks at (competent filmmaking) and people hate Dune for something DUNC doesn't have (camp, silliness, over the top characters, surrealism).
They are diametrically opposed kinds of films.
DUNC does have it's own over the top shit, though.
Only in Lynch Dune, they are aware of the camp and silliness and it creates a certain atmosphere. (Plus, it looks and feels more like a theatrical play, than a movie)
The DUNC, meanwhile, takes itself dead serious, and is all grim and soulless and modern.
To think about it, both movies are indeed, the products of their time. And, if we look at the visuals, character portrayal and plot, but don't compare it to the book, I think we could put both movies as examples of their respective years.
Stellan's Vladimir wouldn't be out of his place in some modern criminal movie. I knew a guy in Russia who used to do racket 30 years ago, who looked and talked with similar mannerisms.
That's not Alia. That's just Anya Taylor Joy in a short cameo to bait her fanboys into spending 50 dollars on an IMAX ticket.
Have you not read the book?
If you don't, you're just ridiculing yourself, Villeneuf bootlicker.
Because Lynch had no understanding of the source material.
What is good of Dune84 is the production design, which Lynch inherited from a movie which would have been fantastic visually but clearly not Dune see [...]
>Lynch had no understanding of the source material.
Kek. And Frank Herbert didn't either, right?
>Villeneuf bootlicker.
Having an opinion is not being a "bootlicker" of someone. You are mentally ill and perceive things in black-and-white.
Lynch is great for dream-like movies, or some mundane straight stories. Not for this.
>Having an opinion
You don't have an opinion, you're just parotting your favourite youtuber. >Lynch is great for dream-like movies >Not for this.
Ah, so you haven't ever read the book and think it's some dry sci-fi slop as envisioned by Villeneuve.
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>You don't have an opinion, you're just parotting your favourite youtuber.
This sounds like projection. >Ah, so you haven't ever read the book and think it's some dry sci-fi slop as envisioned by Villeneuve.
DUNC is way more dreamlike than Dune84. See anything relating Paul's vision, Jamis, etc.
Compare with 84's sloppy expository inner dialogue.
You don't understand how this works because you are autistic.
2 weeks ago
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>DUNC is way more dreamlike than Dune84
Kek. Well, nightmares are dreams. Even if they're particularly boring nightmares.
2 weeks ago
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>Jamis
*beats chest like a monke*
lmao
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>Paul beats his chest in the final duel with Feyd in honor of Jamis >Gets stabbed 2 seconds later
I kek'd, Jamis is jobber eternal
2 weeks ago
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>Gets stabbed 2 seconds later
Reminder that the dagger was supposed to be poisoned.
2 weeks ago
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> Book Paul weeps because moron Jamis insisted on dueling to the death > dunc Jamis is le standard magic Black teaching le wisdom but Paul doesn't cry when he kills him
mighty peculiar
2 weeks ago
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>le standard magic Black
Wasn't that the title of a film that released (and flopped) recently?
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He was? I thought Jamis was a low IQ Fremen who hated Paul as an outsider and got killed from having a Black person moment. Could of sworn all the "wisdom" was just lessons Paul learns in the desert after the fact that he for some reason attributes to Jamis.
>Kek. And Frank Herbert didn't either, right?
Are you implying Weirding Modules are in the book, anon?
>could have been an entire plot element where Lady Jessica slowly withdraws and seem to get crazier and crazier until its revealed her evil unborn spawn talks to her >first scene in the movie Jessica looks at the screen and say "Paul my baby is evil and it talks to me, drink Pepsi."
BRAVO PENIS
>could have been an entire plot element where Lady Jessica slowly withdraws and seem to get crazier and crazier until its revealed her evil unborn spawn talks to her
If they did that, you would have complained that is was stupid because she should have said Paul anyway or Paul should have understood this.
But you are not being rational here.
>she should have said Paul anyway or Paul should have understood this.
Why would she say anything? Paul didn't know about what is the real meaning behind turning into a reverend mother, and he had his own thing going on. At least it would give Jessica something to do instead of kinda standing there the whole fricking movie. They set her motivation 20 minutes in and she is barely in it despite being the best actress in it.
>Are you implying Weirding Modules are in the book, anon?
No, I'm implying that Frank Herbert was involved in the writing of the screenplay and the production of the film. Which he demonstrably was.
(By the way: Brain Herbert was involved in the writing and production of DUNC. Yes, you're shilling Brain Herbert slop. Imagine that.)
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Brian must be involved (and ignored) because he has the rights. Disingenuous argument.
And Frank going along with a shitty Weirding modules decision doesn't make them good, no.
Lynch made rain come down at the end of the movie. You really are delusional if you think he understood anything about Dune.
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Lynch made the weirding modules a thing because he thought "space kung-fu" was stupid.
2 weeks ago
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>Lynch made the weirding modules a thing because he thought "space kung-fu" was stupid.
Lynch is so obtuse sometimes holy shit.
2 weeks ago
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Yeah, right. Because Villeneuve's space kung-fu was the best thing ever and universially beloved ... right? ... Right? ...
Because he and Frank Herbert thought the alternative would look ridiculous, like webm related.
... RIGHT?
2 weeks ago
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Yes. Screaming "Chaaaaaaaaaa!" At your wrist for 30 seconds is fricking dumb. Choreographed fighting is infinitely fricking better you moron.
2 weeks ago
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>Choreographed fighting is infinitely fricking better you moron.
Yeah, right. Totally. Doesn't look ridiculous at all.
Also, Dennis > Lynch. And Brian > Frank.
Because 2020s > 1980s and zoomers > boomers, totally!
2 weeks ago
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>Yeah, right. Totally.
Yeah, totally.
Also the duels are way better. Duels in DUNC feel like you are there in the circle of people watching it.
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Compared to the weirding modules? Absolutely.
They are fighting, not using a machine, you fricking moron.
>DUNC is way more dreamlike than Dune84
Kek. Well, nightmares are dreams. Even if they're particularly boring nightmares.
>Kek. Well, nightmares are dreams. Even if they're particularly boring nightmares.
Weak. You really ran out of ideas.
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>Yeah, right. Totally.
Yeah, totally.
Also the duels are way better. Duels in DUNC feel like you are there in the circle of people watching it.
It's pointless to even try to argue with you Villeneuve/Brian drones, isn't it?
2 weeks ago
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Just admit you have been BTFO and exposed as being fricking delusional if you think the knifefights in DUNC are worce than le space sound box, moron.
2 weeks ago
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This whole thread disagrees with you and ridiculed the kung-fu shit, mate. You didn't "BTFO" anyone.
2 weeks ago
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and yet Dunc didn't bother with the space kung-fu either after the negative reaction to that fricking stupid flashforward. curious.
2 weeks ago
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>Dunc didn't bother with the space kung-fu either after the negative reaction
Oh, but they did.
They even doubled down on it.
2 weeks ago
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Jesus this choreography is abysmal. All of the action in this sucked shit. Why is it that only the Chinese can shoot a decent fight scene?
2 weeks ago
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Were they even trained in the weirding ways?
I dont remember it being presented in the 2nd movie, so seeing the elite guards getting jobbed like stormtroopers is kinda disappointing.
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>so seeing the elite guards getting jobbed like stormtroopers is kinda disappointing.
They already establish in the first move that a Fremen is way better than a Saudarkar, so your point is moronic.
The 2nd movie should have been more explicit on the Fremen being trained though.
2 weeks ago
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you must not remember the clip, it was even worse than this.
2 weeks ago
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>the clip
I literally posted "the clip" in this thread, anon:
Because he and Frank Herbert thought the alternative would look ridiculous, like webm related.
They're exactly the same trash. Same moves, same trashy camera movement (following the protagonist), even the same moronic stare into the camera at the end of it.
They did refrain from having a massive cloud of sand and dust obscure half of the scene in the latter half though. I guess you can call that an improvement.
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BRAVO VILLENULLO
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If I told you that this is from a Snyder film you'd call it pure kino.
2 weeks ago
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No one around here likes Synder any more than Villeneuve, child. Go back to your social media sites.
(Also, no one would believe you if you said this was Snyder, since that's not how anything made by Snyder would ever look. His style is a whole different kind of hackery. More slow motion, sharp contrasts rather than washed out browns, completely different framing of characters, usually from the hip up, and so on. Again, you're forgetting that you're not on social media where people don't understand the technical aspects of filmmaking.)
2 weeks ago
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>Brian must be involved (and ignored)
Except he literally worked as a script-doctor and consultant, and has gone on a publicity tour for both DUNCs calling them the best possible adaptation of his fathers work and other, equally laudatory, statements.
He's very much involved, was very much NOT ignored, and is extremely satisfied with the final product (as much, if not more, than Frank was with Lynch's Dune). >And Frank going along with a shitty Weirding modules decision doesn't make them good, no.
Yeah, what kind of authority does Frank Herbert have to decide what's a good or bad fit for Dune? It's not as if he was the author of the whole thing or anything!
2 weeks ago
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Frank wasn't actively involved, he just didn't shit on it because he was financially dependent on the movie being successful lmao
2 weeks ago
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>Frank wasn't actively involved
He literally was. Had to greenlight the script and visited the set several times.
Because Lynch had no understanding of the source material.
What is good of Dune84 is the production design, which Lynch inherited from a movie which would have been fantastic visually but clearly not Dune see
>'In order to insult Duke Leto, David Carradine, Rabban the Beast gets his army, the Algerian army, to pull down their pants in front of the palace and shit. So there's going to be a scene of 2,000 extras defecating at once. So here's Charlotte Rampling, she agrees to meet with Jodo, she gets the script, she reads the script, and she says, "I can't be in a movie where there's 2,000 extras defecating on screen!" '
The same reason there was a robot baby in American Sniper, they didn't want to deal with all the extra bullshit (which costs money) for just one scene.
>'In order to insult Duke Leto, David Carradine, Rabban the Beast gets his army, the Algerian army, to pull down their pants in front of the palace and shit. So there's going to be a scene of 2,000 extras defecating at once. So here's Charlotte Rampling, she agrees to meet with Jodo, she gets the script, she reads the script, and she says, "I can't be in a movie where there's 2,000 extras defecating on screen!" '
Doesn't she just mop up the near death Sadukar who are lying on the ground defenseless and scratch the Baron with the instant death needle? Doesn't seem to warrant such a badass nickname.
>could have been an entire plot element where Lady Jessica slowly withdraws and seem to get crazier and crazier until its revealed her evil unborn spawn talks to her >first scene in the movie Jessica looks at the screen and say "Paul my baby is evil and it talks to me, drink Pepsi."
BRAVO PENIS
Literally nothing happens in the 3rd part, its just a muslim jihad killing gorillon people on different planets who are against Paul Atreides while the Ixians (chinese) take over the economy and the known universe with machines.
they fricked up the story SO BAD in part 2. seems like more rewrites to fix their casting issues. they fricking cast anya taylor joy as an adult alia that paul sees in a dream. they're probably waiting to bring her back into the 3rd movie or something and just wrote her out until then. jessica's constant "he said she said" with the baby in her womb was hilariously stupid and not how they did it in the books at all.
alia doesnt do anything consequential to the plot other than kill the Barron. Dennis was right to change it to paul killing him it makes more sense thematically she doesnt become a relevant character till the 3rd book
He needed to give more screentime to Zendaya acting like a c**t
She seemed pretty chill most of the movie until she got cucked.
She's in the movie a bunch, what are you talking about?
>dude its a little girl but super powerful
BORING ANIME SLOP
thats extremely hot to me but I can't explain why
I have some idea
Get ready for Leto II doing the Naruto run in Children of DUNC, once he gets TROUTED.com
He's a hack.
>you will never get to meet her Atreides gob jabbar
I should just switch my suspensors off. Why even float.
because while Alia works in a literary format where the reader can envision whatever they want outside of the constraints of reality, a movie actually has to cast a little girl who has to somehow act like she has the wisdom of an old Reverend Mother, and that's very hard to pull off.
In 84 you can see Alicia Witt literally holding back laughter as she does her lines, even dubbing her over doesn't help
>that's very hard to pull off.
Lynch pulled it off.
That no-name director who made the Syfy miniseries pulled it off.
Could it be that Villeneuve just isn't a particularly good director?
Neither of them pulled it off, it was awful both times and you know it. Villeneuve cut it because he is a far better director.
>it was awful both times
No, it was not.
You Villeneuve fanboys keep embarrassing yourselves.
Both child actresses who played Alia are literally laughing on screen at what's happening half the time. In no world did it work.
>literally laughing on screen
Imagine not understanding what a smug expression is. Imagine thinking that child actors who can actually show nuanced emotion with their lips are actually just about to break into laughter.
There is not a child alive that can show nuanced emotion
That's why you find a stunted adult like Webster.
Maybe not anywhere around you.
child harry potter was pretty good at showing hidden contempt but also fear of his fake father abusing him at the same time, and joy at his step brother getting scared while juggling it with guilt/fear when the dad notices
The first few Harry Potter stories are very simple and they worked because Chris Columbus was basically hovering over their shoulders telling them all EXACTLY how to deliver their lines, scene to scene
Alia's actress was outright laughing at the Spacing Guild costumes in the TV show. It was not "smug."
no one actually thinks this.
I legitimately think that
Because again, you have no opinions of your own and just believe the opposite of whatever perceived Boogeyman exists in your head because you have a chip on your shoulder
What boogeyman? What chip on my shoulder?
I legitimately think DUNC is a great pro-life movie. In fact, a lot of Villeneuve movies are overtly pro-life
You sound moronic and are projecting whatever weird insecurity you have onto the situation. Talking Alia in the womb was one of the good changes to the second film, in a movie with some questionable changes
Even Lynch thinks it's shit, go back pajeet.
>Even Lynch thinks it's shit
Wrong. Lynch hates that he didn't have final cut. That's all there is to it.
You Villeneuve drones are dishonest pieces of shit who always take stuff out of context to fit your narrative.
>You Villeneuve drones are dishonest pieces of shit who always take stuff out of context to fit your narrative.
You literally pretend that the message of the book is that its good to follow Messianic figures, incel. It doesn't get more dishonest than that.
>You literally pretend that the message of the book is that its good to follow Messianic figures
Wut? No. And neither did Lynch or Frank Herbert when they wrote the film script.
Yes, chud, you did:
That wasn't me, brainlet.
And also, that post isn't talking about the film, but the book.
Can you stop pretending to be an anti-/pol/tard as a bit? I'm the other one arguing against the Lynch version and you're just shitting up the discussion and making it worse by constantly saying chud and incel.
>Lynch pulled it off.
>That no-name director who made the Syfy miniseries pulled it off
We have very different definitions of pulling something off.
Funny how no one ever complained that Alia was bad or that her actresses did a bad job before Dennis Villanova decided that he was "too good a director" to work with child actors, isn't it?
Funny how no one ever pretended that Lynch Dune was good before Dennus Villeneuve decided to cast a black person in the new adaption, isn't it?
>no one ever pretended that Lynch Dune was good
>yes they did lmao
newbies spotted. Go back where you came from.
based delusional reality denier
alia having nearly all her lines clearly dubbed because of how bad her line delivery was is also le heckin kino am i rite
>having nearly all her lines clearly dubbed because of how bad her line delivery was
Holy. Fricking. Shit.
You actually thing that was the reason for the dubbing? Really?
How fricking media illiterate can you possibly be?
(You)
(You)
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Notice that nobody can say anything good about Lynch Dune without comparing it to DUNC
Maybe you should search the Cinemaphile archives for posts made about Dune before 2021?
Or just read this thread and see how people applaud the portrayal of Alia in Dune, without comparing it to anything in DUNC (because there's nothing in DUNC to even compare it to)?
The entire thread is comparing it to DUNC, incel.
>The entire thread is comparing it to DUNC
How? Where?
DUNC doesn't have any of those Alia scenes. There's nothing to compare. And not a single post mentioning Alia in Dune draws any comparison to anything in DUNC. At most, people point out that there isn't anything of the sort in DUNC.
>you can't compare a duck with green feathers to a duck that doesn’t have any feathers at all!
Fricking moron
No, you cannot compare green feathers to feathers that do not exist. "Fricking moron."
>literally in the OP
The OP does not praise or condemn the portrayal of Alia in Dune at all. The OP merely states that he thinks the character of Alia (from the books) is great, and asks why she isn't in DUNC. There is no comparison with the Dune film or any praise of it in the OP, unless you think that pointing out that the character was in it is itself praise. Which would be a ridiculous notion: Including characters from the book is the bare minimum an adaptation should do, not something laudable.
Your coping is getting more and more desperate, incel.
>How? Where?
literally in the OP, incel.
>whatabout the threads from 10 years ago
Completely irrelevant
>Completely irrelevant
No. Not irrelevant. People have been praising Lynch's Dune for decades, long before DUNC was even a thing. So your whole point that
>nobody can say anything good about Lynch Dune without comparing it to DUNC
is moot.
can say anything good about Lynch Dune without comparing it to DUNC
I'm talking about here and now, this very thread. Not hypothetical threads that may or may not have existed in the past.
>I'm talking about here and now, this very thread.
Kek. Right. Careful you don't break your back dragging that goalpost all across the field.
Why does the lynch version get such shit reviews across the board? Is the right question instead, why do so many pretentious brainlets with poor taste occupy Cinemaphile?
>Why does the lynch version get such shit reviews across the board?
Almost like it's a trash movie huh?
Exactly, I don't know how these delirious dandruff eating mongrels can defend this.
I unironically envy McMillan.
I can only wish I could get a role, get told to go ham on it, and have the time of my life playing the character that is so absolutely, irreversibly, off his fricking rocker.
>Why does the lynch version get such shit reviews across the board?
Because the editing in the second half ruined it. And even then it gets mostly middling reviews, not "shit" ones. Not that reviews even matter much. DUNC proves how inaccurate those can be.
>Why does the lynch version get such shit reviews across the board?
It doesn't.
>Funny how no one ever complained that Alia was bad or that her actresses did a bad job
yes they did lmao, why lie?
what's next, pretending no one ever said that 1984 Dune is a bad movie?
>what's next, pretending no one ever said that 1984 Dune is a bad movie?
It's the "no one hates the prequels before Plinkett" delusions all over again
>comparing DUNC to some fat youtuber complaining about children's films
Shockingly accurate parallel.
Spoken like a zoomer lmao
Ah, yes, because we all know how much "zoomers" love films from the 80s as opposed to shit that just came out.
Projecting much, literal Villeneuvetard?
No, only zoomers latch on to an older thing out of contrarianism and talk about muh soul, all while denying there were ever criticisms of it.
Its exactly the same thing they did with the Star Wars prequels. Chud contrarians literally pretend that the prequels were beloved until RLM came around. This is how young and dumb they are.
>contrarianism
Literal Reddit buzzword that poresumes that people cannot ever have an opinion of their own. You're just a sheep who follows what you perceive as a consensus opinion because your favourite youtuber said so.
People can have an opinion of their own. Chuds can't.
>literal Reddit buzzword
Average Lynchtards self awareness
Even Lynchtards freely admitted that his Dune is one of the worst films ever made until DUNC was announced.
Lynch did pull it off, though, but he did it unexpectedly.
The girl acts and sounds like as if she is posessed, which adds on to creepiness, but is different to what would be done in the book.
Villainnuevo took the easy route and I don't blame him. Child actors can easily ruin the movie.
Child actors today are even worse so I don't blame Denis IF that's the real reason. Alia in Dune 84 and the miniseries was executed perfectly but good luck convincing some 12 year old zoomer girl to act out Alia. Good fricking luck.
>Lynch pulled it off
No he didn't
>Lynch pulled it off.
It managed to look ridiculous in a sea of ridiculous ideas.
It managed to look creepy.
It managed to look laughable
The fetus in DUNC was laughable. Not the child wielding a dagger in the film, the miniseries and the book.
Nobody in the entire world, including you, believes this.
Every reasonable human being believes this.
Only Villeneuve bootlickers delude themselves into thinking that the book was trash and their messiah Dennis waging a Jih... "Holy War" on it is a good thing.
84 Alia is a memorable visual image and character that will stay, as will Lynch's Dune. DUNC is already forgotten.
Sting was perfect as Feyd.
>Sting was perfect as Feyd.
you clearly didn't read the book to spew such blatant lies
>84 Alia is a memorable
84 Alia is ridiculous. I commend the attempt, but only tone-deaf autists that only care about book accuracy could like it.
Shills that should DIE.
>If you disagree with my shit take you are a shill
ok moron
Feyd is not a skinny weak twink like Sting
Right. Feyd obviously is a bald white Nosferatu-looking twink like that cheap Elvis imitator.
No, Feyd is strong.with muscles. Not a weak skinny twink.
Feyd is a b***h in the novel. He cries when a slave starts beating him. He poisons Paul before their fight and still barely gets a scratch on him.
We are talking physically, Feyd is strong and has muscles. And he is described as such directly when compared to Paul who is small and skinny.
>that only care about book accuracy
Wait, so you're saying that ... Lynch's Alia was pretty much a perfect depiction of the character in the source material ... and that that's somehow a bad thing?
SOVL. DUNC can get raped and killed.
You and I, my friend, should leave this thread. We waste breath and energy.
>so you're saying
Feel free to clarify what you were saying if you don't like how it came across. Rather than posting memes, you could have just done that.
>Wait, so you're saying
You are an autistic moron with comprehension issues.
Please refrain from posting about media more complex than the Teletubbies.
See
, shitposter.
If you cannot make a cohesive point, don't throw a tantrum over people not getting it and instead taking you at your word.
The only one with an autistic meltdown is you.
If you like the 84 Alia, or the Sting-Feyd unironically instead of considering it, so to speak, a product of its time, you are tone-deaf.
And again, you fail to actually make a point, instead spouting shallow insults. Will you keep this up or can we eventually pivot to some kind of actual debate?
>you fail to actually make a point
You ignoring the point (or being unable to understand what is a tonally dissonant scene) doesn't mean I have no point.
You having no theory of mind has nothing to do with the issue being existent or not.
You cannot be cured but FYI there is therapy for your condition.
>theory of mind
Oh wowie, he pulled out the big words. have a nice day.
They do not at all. Each character has very drought colors in their appearance and costumes.
>very drought colors
GOOD MORNING SAAR
>Oh wowie, he pulled out the big words. have a nice day.
So am right - you have been diagnosed with autism.
>They do not at al
yeah bro they basically look like the same character am i rite
>doesn't mean I have no point.
And yet you fail to make it, for the third consecutive post (at the very least). You really prefer ad-hominems, it seems.
>And yet you fail to make it,
And I again tell you that you being tone-deaf is not counter-point. People cringed about Alia since 1984.
FYI - if you cannot see that, here's the thing - for similar reason, they also cringe IRL about you.
>People cringed about Alia since 1984.
That is factually wrong. And you still have not actually made a point, or clarified how you supposedly didn't mean to say what you said, that Alia was accurate to the book.
The fetus abominatus was terrible, though.
why?
Because it's fricking goofy.
A being has barely developed any brain matter, but already utilizes genetic memory and starts influencing both mother and her brother.
For redditards like you who can't watch the film without going full "ackshyally", of course.
There were about a dozen actually laughable things in the Lynch movie.
Alia is intentionally absent in the plot to indicate that DUNC's timeline is different from the canon timeline
See pic rel
My god... If that's what Villeneuve is actually doing on purpose, he's the greatest troll of all time.
I finished this chapter today and I was surprised to learn that he has a vision of all of this a third into the book. Not saying it's better or worse than the movie, I'll have to finish it first.
Perhaps we were too harsh on Denis Villabananas. He was onto something.
>And he thought: I'm a sneed.
What's the point you're trying to make with this passage? Everything he sees in the second vision happens in Herbert's version as well, just inbetween books
The first vision where he says "hello grandfather" (and kills him) happens in Dunc 2 but not in the books, which is a significant departure considering the baron dies to Alia in the books
Yeah, but that's not some grand subversive long-term plan from Villeneuve, that's just him winging it after writing Alia out because he noticed that a hack like him who cannot even direct professional grown-up actors properly would never be able to get a child to give a decent performance.
> le alternate timeline theory
That passage is about Paul joining the Harkos and getting nonced, not Villeslop
If this is intentional that would be legitimately artistically impressive and it would follow with Channi running off by herself impregnate with twins
>and that's very hard to pull off.
skill issue
Use a very small teenage actress and movie magic.
>Use a very small teenage actress
They already had her play Paul.
>you can see Alicia Witt literally holding back laughter as she does her lines
Nah, she's just that unhinged.
He'll be forced to have her in DUNC numero tres. She's a vital part of the story.
An Alia who never was involved in the conflict on Arrakis and who never had to kill people as a child is not the same Alia.
I agree with you completely. Only thing is this may be another timeline book Paul saw. Which is also kind of stupid but hey.
The truth is Dune is shit source material.
Paul being a 15 year old all powerful future seeing God is already ridiculous enough
Because its fricking garbage for pedos and would have ruined the film just like it ruined the book
>Alia works in a literary format
She doesn't. Its embarassing to read.
>garbage for pedos
On a scale from average American to Villeneuve bootlicker, how moronic exactly are you?
>watching this pubescent child fight holograms naked is important for the plot
>pubescent child
Kek. You have no idea what "pubescent" actually means. Alia is nowhere close to puberty, not even in the adaptations that age her up.
If anyone, Paul is pubescent (at the start of Dune).
Autocorrected from pre-pubescent
>muh phone poster!
Yeah, what are you gonna do about it, b***h?
>Autocorrected from pre-pubescent
Yeah, right. Because autocorrection totally does that, rather than poor education.
>I am not a pedo, its ackchually a 1000 year old soul inside a toddler's body
You do realize that there can be reasons to want to see characters on-screen other than having a raging boner for them, right?
Let's assume, for a moment, Villeneuve had written the Reverend Mother Mohiam out. I'd still lament that and I'd be here arguing that it was a bad idea. Would you then call me a gerontophile?
Hell, does me lamenting that Thufir got shafted in DUNC2 make me gay?
Why are you so obsessed with sexual deviancy anyway? Closeted, anon?
There has never been an instance of a "1000 year old goddess in a child's body" that wasn't an excuse for pedophilia. It is obvious that Herbert had a raging boner the entire time he was writing "Children of Dune".
Yeah, you sound very closeted to me.
>Only a closeted pedo would take issue with pedophilia!!
Why are pedochuds always like this?
No, it's closeted people like yourself who see pedophilia (or gayness, or bestiality, or anything else, really) who see that thing everywhere.
You're not calling something out that's actually there, you're projecting something.
Having a four year old (le actually she’s a adult ) running around leading soldiers and fighting people is moronic and goofy anime shit
thank god Denis went with the more grounded "talking fetus played by an adult woman" option.
yes, unironically
DUNC is a great pro-life movie
It makes sense and is pro natalist you fricking weeb moron
tl;dr is Herbert is an overrated hack
Alia was one of Lynch Dune's redeeming qualities, Troonc has no redeeming qualities at all.
Dune lynch mogs nu dune so hard.
No, incel, it doesn't and nobody genuinely believes this.
Yes homosexual, it does. NuDune is gay and soulless, and Dune 2 was Chani acting like a seething c**t for 50% of the movie. Nu Dune completely misses the point of Dune. Lynch Dune hard mogs it.
the actual truth is that DUNC is bad and Lynch Dune is even worse
>Nu Dune completely misses the point of Dune. Lynch Dune hard mogs it.
Confirmed for not having read the book. Lynch thought that Dune is a classic adventure story in which Paul's messianic status is uncritically celebrated.
>in which Paul's messianic status is uncritically celebrated.
In book Dune it basically is too.
moron
You have obviously not read the book.
I read an article once that Dune 84 plays like an actual propaganda film the Muad'dib priesthood would put out to mythologize his victory and I thought that was a fun notion
Lynch Dune completely misses the entire point of the ending of the book, I don't think this is controversial to say. The Jihad should be a looming dread throughout the movie and it happening at the end is a tragedy which is not at all conveyed in the Lynch version.
people need to stop trying to adapt the dune series into tv or film. it's unadaptable, mostly because the key ingredients are so triggering that people start omitting things entirely (spacing guild) or rewriting shit (dunc), or misunderstanding the first book because they never read the sequels (lynch dune)
this so much, such le moggin SOVL am i rite
>flying log cabin
BRAVO LYNCH
>Dune lynch mogs nu dune so hard.
So true
Pretty wild to think Duncan got to hit that.
chuds:
>I am supposed to believe that Zendaya, a tiny little woman, can beat fully grown man in a sword fight? Villeneuve is a hack!
also chuds:
>NOOO WHY DID HE CUT THE KNIFE-WIELDING NINJA BABY? VILLENEUVE IS A HACK!!!!!
DUNC Chani is such a ridiculous departure from the book's characterization they may as well be different people
It's definitely a change but I understand why they did it, most of the criticism of Paul as a false prophet exploiting the Fremen comes from his own internal monologue in the book, something you can't really capture on screen.
making Chani the voice of skepticism of Paul's myth is a smart change and adds to the tragedy of the ending, even if it does leave Messiah in a precarious situation considering Paul and Chani's loyalty to each other is the main throughline of that story
>a smart change
>t. Villeneuve
>It's definitely a change but I understand why they did it, most of the criticism of Paul as a false prophet exploiting the Fremen
Only r*dditors with their "media literacy" read this kind of subversive "decolonialist" garbage into the story
...do you think Dune is a pro-colonial, pro-imperialist story?
Villeneuve fanboys unironically do, yes. Thye also think it's pro-religion and
.
A second ago you claimed that only Villeneuve fanboys think that its an anti-colonial story and that this makes them wrong. Which one is it, incel?
I claimed nothing, child.
He left in scenes of Paul grasping with his status as a false prophet with Jessica, and that should've been enough. But he had to rape Chani's character wholesale for pointless girlboss moments
Even with all the stuff in the current movie a lot of people still think Paul is heckin epic and based and doing the Fremen a favor
Denny has utterly failed as an auteur if he thinks he needs to structure his film to be understandable by the biggest morons. He may as well go direct capeshit for marvel at that point
Am I the only one that liked Alia's actress laughing/smiling (in both 84 and SyFy)? It comes across as this borderline omniscient freak just disrespecting everything about Paul's enemies right to their faces. I think it worked within the context of the scenes.
No. Only emotionally stunted autists think it was out of character or bad acting.
I read the book a long time ago. I don't remember the child stabbing the emperor. Is that really how the book ends? I remember Paul sstorming the throne room but no "then the baby stabbed the emperor"
She stabs the Baron, not the emperor.
I get emotional watching Dune.
Can you imagine the heart of a oppressed people seeing their savior? Centuries of prophecy coming true?
For Christians, this movie has a special appeal. We wait our savior too. Can you imagine the joy in the day of the Lord? Meeting Jesus in heaven? After Death is defeated?
Think about it.
Christianity is fake and gay, and as practiced by Americans is just a tool of the israelites to get them to support Israel
Dune is a very anti-religious narrative, it's why Tolkien hated it so much
anti-religious =/= anti-christian
just wait until you learn of the existence of christian anarchists
>Can you imagine the heart of a oppressed people seeing their savior? Centuries of prophecy coming true?
not only did i see it
I lived it
dune is great because it's many things to many different people. to me i love dune because it shows how easily manipulated people are by religious belief and prophecy and bullshit like that. i love the guilt and remorse paul has for the rest of his life for pretending to be a messiah when all he did was take performance enhancing drugs
>it's many things to many different people
To some people, like Brian Herbert, it's a cash cow.
>dune is great because it's many things to many different people.
Totally.
I loved the movie because there are some cool scenes (like Paul arriving to the war council or him nuking the mountains), others liked because of the story or whatever.
>I loved the movie because there are some cool scenes
When anon said "Dune", he meant the book, not DUNC.
>dune is great because it's many things to many different people. to me i love dune because
Are the novels worth reading, anons? I don't know that much about them. I believe the author died and series continued with new writers and that there are many novels. Should I just read Frank Herbert's work?
Just give them a try, keep reading as long as you enjoy them, or until the name "Frank" gets replaced with "Brian" on the cover.
They should have had her show up at the end if just to show the passage of time
The events of the DUNC 1 and 2 take place over what ? 3 months ?
Lady Jessica isn’t even SUPER pregnant at the end
Too interesting.
Alia is the very thesis of what makes Dune so unique and memorable. A small child with the wisdom of a 9,000 year old Reverend Mother who's stronger than anyone in the series and is a brat about it. It's wild, out there and kino. By removing that, Denis betrays the fact he is not a visionary at all who can put his all into challenging what is 'filmable' or not and just went for the safe option which is undignified even if it made the digestion of the film by the hordes of morons that populate this earth easier. Same thing with removing Baron raping little boys specifically bred to look like Paul to death, Mentats having bushy brows and red-stained lips and being effeminate and dolty, the Guild Navigators who morphed into fishmen and the general, all-around aesthetic of a truly epic Sci-Fi story set 10, 000 years into the future. It's a failure full-stop but it doesn't matter. The material is besides the point. It's fodder to use every dishonest filmmaking technique under the sun to get the masses and the film "buffs" (parasocial psychotic nobodies) to shill and consume and get every meme actor to lead them into that more easily. Denis probably never even heard of Dune before making the first one. He's a poser and like all posers, he gets off on shallow, ignorant praise by complete and utter buffoons who don't know any better. A cacaphony of utter insanity. There is no hope, ingenuity or good will left in this sublunar world of ours. We are all left to the devices of mad men and evil creatures straight from the imagination of Clive Barker or other renowned horror writers. There's nothing more horryfying than looking down at the mindless masses. No individuality, no soul, no clamoring for knowledge and growth, no true vision of who they are and what they want. I wish killing them all would solve something but it would not. It wouldn't even be mercy as they cling to life like a disease despite having no appreciation for it or every breath they take. I am saddened.
Verbose way to say you're a disappointed pedophile.
have a nice day. I say that from a place of deep-seated resentment but also pity. You don't like Dune, you don't care about Dune or even DUNC, or even Denis. You're a sheeple person, someone who doesn't deserve to be called a human, much less a man. You shill and defend this piece of media because you're inherently a slave beholden to the status quo, the propaganda and garbage it produces that to you it is unthinkable that you should doubt them for a second. They supply you with goyfeed, goydrink and pornography to sedate your every core desires and to make sure you don't live long enough to have a momentary break of conscience once you grow old from your slumber of which you've been in your entire life. I pity you. I truly do. You do not have an internal monologue or an appreciation for arts, the aesthetics and the clearly-defined soul within great pieces of art, one of which is the David Lynch rendition of Dune which despite it's limitations and the severe mismanagement behind the shooting of the film, had nothing but true artists working on it. From the sets, costumes, to the performers themselves and the visual effects carefully handcrafted with care and precision, all working to a singular vision but the decision of one executive to not give David final cut priviliges lead to him, in his own psychotic haze, to write the film off only to backtrack multiple times in later years and admit that the film was creatively sound despite many adjustments and restraints. That initial faux-condemnation serves as the epitus of all detractors of Dune '84 ever since and despite Lynch's later statements rendering this counter-point null and void, it is still parroted by ignorant, worthless subhumans such as yourself. The film has created many moments that have permutated through popular culture and have perservered and the test of time is the truest, most telling test of them all. A month after release, DUNC by Denis Villabananas has been forgotten.
>You shill and defend this piece of media because you're inherently a slave beholden to the status quo, the propaganda and garbage it produces that to you it is unthinkable that you should doubt them for a second.
You see what are you doing here? You are projecting your line of thought.
People just prefer DUNC, while you are defending a mediocre movie with some good visual idea and production design because for you accepting that the new movie is better in most aspects was unacceptable even before watching it.
We will never have good media again because contrarians like you are the flipside of the goysloppers. Both are the complete death of any critical analysis and rational approach to things.
>You don't like Dune, you don't care about Dune or even DUNC
Correct, I didn't watch any of the films or read any of the books or play any of the videogames, I don't care about shitty scifi.
I hit the bullseye by calling you out as a pedo though.
>or play any of the videogames
You're missing out, anon.
You really should kys.
Over not watching a couple of shitty movies? Give me a break.
i hate morons who think a slavish devotion to the book is all that matters
even when im writing a book i dont expect it to be 1:1 translated for film because they're different mediums
Also every change Villeneuve made is an improvement over the book (except for the lack of the dinner scene).
>every change Villeneuve made is an improvement over the book
You're a gaygit
Ah, so THIS is the reason why you are buttmand at DUNC.
All the rest is trying to rationalize it.
If book accuracy is what's desired people should be talking about the TV show which despite the budget was incredibly faithful. Lynch's version was not faithful even if it had some great imagery.
>slavish devotion to the book is all that matters
No one thinks that. Lynch's film does not follow the book slavishly, and it got lots of shit for that from the same plotgayging subhumans who now aore DUNC for being an outright insult to the themes of Dune.
In fact, in terms of following plot events like a checklist, DUNC comes much closer to being a 1:1 adaptation than Lynch's Dune did, despite writing out or significantly changing the characters and themes.
ummm wow yikes okay
toxic incel much?
Yes, i too find DUNC to be quite sterile.
>that ending scene where Paul is killed and all the Fremen and his allies speak in his voice, to let the witch who killed him know that she's accomplished nothing and that he lives in all of them
KINO
lmao chuds annihilated again
It annihiliates nothing. Chud in that image is completely correct and non-contradictory. Deviating from the book is only allowed if you're creative about it and substitute what you changed with kino.
I almost didn't see the big flying dick at the bottom.
>Mentats having bushy brows and red-stained lips and being effeminate and dolty
I know you're trying really hard, but you really missed the fricking spot here
Piter and in a lesser instance Fenring might be considered effeminate, but Thufir Hawat was always a chad of chads.
Even the Emperor feared him, and that was with Fenring to protect him and a Hawat way past his prime.
Making him look effeminate would have been a mistake from the get-go.
Excellent post, anon.
Alia as in the book is unfilmable. Lynch and mini-series totally did NOT pull it off.
Said this, Denis disappointed me a bit here. He should have used some trick to have Jessica stab the Baron with a Gom-jabbar, but using camera work to see that observers in the room see Jessica, but we the audience see (adult) Alia.
There was no obstacle with this. Adult Alia was already introduced, and Paul could have finished in the same way an Agonizing baron.
That would've been an interesting compromise, but Denny isn't imaginative enough to come up with that
Look at this image. Look at the costumes, the composition, the choice of performers, the hairstyling, the expressions, the set structure, the way they're all so unique from each other and how you can tell what kind of characters they are just from looking at them. Feyd, Gaius Helen, Shaddam, Irulan. David Lynch's Dune was cinematic magic. These are the real characters from Frank Herbert's novels. Absolutely BEAUTIFUL.
Even Lynch disagrees, lmao.
You nostalgiagays are pathetic.
He does not. He only ever berated the final cut exclusion, the actual film he always praised. have a nice day immediately.
He did admit he didn't feel as invested because he knew he wouldn't have final cut. However he's a much better director, so he's much more capable of making a great movie, even if he was half-assing it.
>Even Lynch disagrees
No, he doesn't. Why do you try so hard to push this narrative?
The ONLY thing Lynch had a problem with what that he did not get final cut, and that therefore the resulting film is not his own vision.
>The ONLY thing Lynch had a problem with what that he did not get final cut,
So we don't know what he would have cut.
Can you go one step further, moron?
>So we don't know what he would have cut.
Right. The only thing we know is that he'd have cut less.
What's your fricking point?
But if you scratch off the cringe enducing scenes, there'll be no more than a 8 minute clip left.
Right. Now, stop being facetious and actually try making a point.
>Right. The only thing we know is that he'd have cut less.
So would have been a cringefest. Lmao.
Go eat a "weirding module".
>So would have been a cringefest.
See
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>Feyd, Gaius Helen, Shaddam, Irulan
All of them look very unique from each other and distinct in DUNC as well.
They do not. Feyd is hairless which immediately tanks his visual appeal, Shaddam and Irulan are miscast and as such they're out. Gaius Helen was very good as in the actress was good but she had her face covered and that wasn't unique or memorable like the '84 Gaius Helen.
>They do not.
They absolutely do.
You can think of casting whatever you want, but Feyd, Gaius Helen, Shaddam and Irulan most definitely look very unique from each other and distinct in DUNC.
>he doesn't know that the Bene Gesserit robes are reminiscent of the Kuroko, or black clothes, of theater props movers/set manipulators in Kabuki as symbolism for them being those who control everything from the darkness.
The Bene Gesserit are meant to be a formless, non-unique, ominous group who control the Universe from the Shadows. They don't need to "stand out" and be unique as individuals.
This guy is what I imagined Feyd to look like, with the black hair and all. Feyd should've been a dark mirror to Paul, as in he was a handsome young prince with very similar features but also the polar opposite of Paul in personality. They, of course, ruined this in DUNC.
Ok homo.
>most intelligent DUNCgay
>I JUST HECKIN PREFER IT STOP DOING WRONGTHINK OR I'LL CRY INTO MY WIFE'S BOYFRIENDS ARMS
Kill. Yourself.
>>I JUST HECKIN PREFER IT STOP DOING WRONGTHINK OR I'LL CRY INTO MY WIFE'S BOYFRIENDS ARMS
See above, you have literal issues in understanding other points of view, autismo-kun.
When that viewpoint is based in nothing but childish feelings and with no further elaboration than "HECKIN' RESPECT OTHER PEOPLES' OPINIONS" than yeah, I will not.
>Correct, I didn't watch any of the films or read any of the books or play any of the videogames
Denny is a hack and fraud
homie aint even french, hes from canada lmao
hes a larper
I'm such a patrician I like all three of the Dune movies and the series
I love me some Dune, simple as
NOOOOOOOO YOU HAVE TO PICK ONE SIDE AND SAY THE OTHER IS THE WORST THING ON THE PLANET NOOOO YOU CAN'T ENJOY TWO THINGS AT ONCE ARE YOU CRAZY OMG
The general point is that people love Dune for something DUNC sucks at (competent filmmaking) and people hate Dune for something DUNC doesn't have (camp, silliness, over the top characters, surrealism).
They are diametrically opposed kinds of films.
And I enjoy both of them and you can't do ANYTHING about it.
I'm not telling you that you cannot like both. Just explaining why most people don't.
ok, I'm sorry for being rude.
hmmmmm don't care
both are great films
DUNC does have it's own over the top shit, though.
Only in Lynch Dune, they are aware of the camp and silliness and it creates a certain atmosphere. (Plus, it looks and feels more like a theatrical play, than a movie)
The DUNC, meanwhile, takes itself dead serious, and is all grim and soulless and modern.
To think about it, both movies are indeed, the products of their time. And, if we look at the visuals, character portrayal and plot, but don't compare it to the book, I think we could put both movies as examples of their respective years.
I found the acting in the series quite cringe.
Except the Baron Harkonnen of course. I really wish we'd have more bastards like him as villains.
Ian McNeice is my favorite Baron because he's the only one who captures the sassy camp nature of the character from the book.
At least Stellan got to emote in DUNC2, he was a boring exposition machine doing a bad Brando impression in the first one
Stellan's Vladimir wouldn't be out of his place in some modern criminal movie. I knew a guy in Russia who used to do racket 30 years ago, who looked and talked with similar mannerisms.
You can READ jodorowsky's dune here:
https://www.duneinfo.com/unseen/jodorowskys-dune-uncovered
did you sleep over it ?
That's not Alia. That's just Anya Taylor Joy in a short cameo to bait her fanboys into spending 50 dollars on an IMAX ticket.
Have you not read the book?
Dare you enter my magical realm?
why did lynch put those sound weapons, it would have been a good movie without that cringe stuff
frick you villeBlack person fanboy
Because he and Frank Herbert thought the alternative would look ridiculous, like webm related.
if you think this is worse than the weirding modules, you are fricking delusional
If you don't, you're just ridiculing yourself, Villeneuf bootlicker.
>Lynch had no understanding of the source material.
Kek. And Frank Herbert didn't either, right?
>Villeneuf bootlicker.
Having an opinion is not being a "bootlicker" of someone. You are mentally ill and perceive things in black-and-white.
Lynch is great for dream-like movies, or some mundane straight stories. Not for this.
>Having an opinion
You don't have an opinion, you're just parotting your favourite youtuber.
>Lynch is great for dream-like movies
>Not for this.
Ah, so you haven't ever read the book and think it's some dry sci-fi slop as envisioned by Villeneuve.
>You don't have an opinion, you're just parotting your favourite youtuber.
This sounds like projection.
>Ah, so you haven't ever read the book and think it's some dry sci-fi slop as envisioned by Villeneuve.
DUNC is way more dreamlike than Dune84. See anything relating Paul's vision, Jamis, etc.
Compare with 84's sloppy expository inner dialogue.
You don't understand how this works because you are autistic.
>DUNC is way more dreamlike than Dune84
Kek. Well, nightmares are dreams. Even if they're particularly boring nightmares.
>Jamis
*beats chest like a monke*
lmao
>Paul beats his chest in the final duel with Feyd in honor of Jamis
>Gets stabbed 2 seconds later
I kek'd, Jamis is jobber eternal
>Gets stabbed 2 seconds later
Reminder that the dagger was supposed to be poisoned.
> Book Paul weeps because moron Jamis insisted on dueling to the death
> dunc Jamis is le standard magic Black teaching le wisdom but Paul doesn't cry when he kills him
mighty peculiar
>le standard magic Black
Wasn't that the title of a film that released (and flopped) recently?
He was? I thought Jamis was a low IQ Fremen who hated Paul as an outsider and got killed from having a Black person moment. Could of sworn all the "wisdom" was just lessons Paul learns in the desert after the fact that he for some reason attributes to Jamis.
>Kek. And Frank Herbert didn't either, right?
Are you implying Weirding Modules are in the book, anon?
>could have been an entire plot element where Lady Jessica slowly withdraws and seem to get crazier and crazier until its revealed her evil unborn spawn talks to her
If they did that, you would have complained that is was stupid because she should have said Paul anyway or Paul should have understood this.
But you are not being rational here.
>she should have said Paul anyway or Paul should have understood this.
Why would she say anything? Paul didn't know about what is the real meaning behind turning into a reverend mother, and he had his own thing going on. At least it would give Jessica something to do instead of kinda standing there the whole fricking movie. They set her motivation 20 minutes in and she is barely in it despite being the best actress in it.
>Are you implying Weirding Modules are in the book, anon?
No, I'm implying that Frank Herbert was involved in the writing of the screenplay and the production of the film. Which he demonstrably was.
(By the way: Brain Herbert was involved in the writing and production of DUNC. Yes, you're shilling Brain Herbert slop. Imagine that.)
Brian must be involved (and ignored) because he has the rights. Disingenuous argument.
And Frank going along with a shitty Weirding modules decision doesn't make them good, no.
Lynch made rain come down at the end of the movie. You really are delusional if you think he understood anything about Dune.
Lynch made the weirding modules a thing because he thought "space kung-fu" was stupid.
>Lynch made the weirding modules a thing because he thought "space kung-fu" was stupid.
Lynch is so obtuse sometimes holy shit.
Yeah, right. Because Villeneuve's space kung-fu was the best thing ever and universially beloved ... right? ... Right? ...
... RIGHT?
Yes. Screaming "Chaaaaaaaaaa!" At your wrist for 30 seconds is fricking dumb. Choreographed fighting is infinitely fricking better you moron.
>Choreographed fighting is infinitely fricking better you moron.
Yeah, right. Totally. Doesn't look ridiculous at all.
Also, Dennis > Lynch. And Brian > Frank.
Because 2020s > 1980s and zoomers > boomers, totally!
>Yeah, right. Totally.
Yeah, totally.
Also the duels are way better. Duels in DUNC feel like you are there in the circle of people watching it.
Compared to the weirding modules? Absolutely.
They are fighting, not using a machine, you fricking moron.
>Kek. Well, nightmares are dreams. Even if they're particularly boring nightmares.
Weak. You really ran out of ideas.
It's pointless to even try to argue with you Villeneuve/Brian drones, isn't it?
Just admit you have been BTFO and exposed as being fricking delusional if you think the knifefights in DUNC are worce than le space sound box, moron.
This whole thread disagrees with you and ridiculed the kung-fu shit, mate. You didn't "BTFO" anyone.
and yet Dunc didn't bother with the space kung-fu either after the negative reaction to that fricking stupid flashforward. curious.
>Dunc didn't bother with the space kung-fu either after the negative reaction
Oh, but they did.
They even doubled down on it.
Jesus this choreography is abysmal. All of the action in this sucked shit. Why is it that only the Chinese can shoot a decent fight scene?
Were they even trained in the weirding ways?
I dont remember it being presented in the 2nd movie, so seeing the elite guards getting jobbed like stormtroopers is kinda disappointing.
>so seeing the elite guards getting jobbed like stormtroopers is kinda disappointing.
They already establish in the first move that a Fremen is way better than a Saudarkar, so your point is moronic.
The 2nd movie should have been more explicit on the Fremen being trained though.
you must not remember the clip, it was even worse than this.
>the clip
I literally posted "the clip" in this thread, anon:
They're exactly the same trash. Same moves, same trashy camera movement (following the protagonist), even the same moronic stare into the camera at the end of it.
They did refrain from having a massive cloud of sand and dust obscure half of the scene in the latter half though. I guess you can call that an improvement.
BRAVO VILLENULLO
If I told you that this is from a Snyder film you'd call it pure kino.
No one around here likes Synder any more than Villeneuve, child. Go back to your social media sites.
(Also, no one would believe you if you said this was Snyder, since that's not how anything made by Snyder would ever look. His style is a whole different kind of hackery. More slow motion, sharp contrasts rather than washed out browns, completely different framing of characters, usually from the hip up, and so on. Again, you're forgetting that you're not on social media where people don't understand the technical aspects of filmmaking.)
>Brian must be involved (and ignored)
Except he literally worked as a script-doctor and consultant, and has gone on a publicity tour for both DUNCs calling them the best possible adaptation of his fathers work and other, equally laudatory, statements.
He's very much involved, was very much NOT ignored, and is extremely satisfied with the final product (as much, if not more, than Frank was with Lynch's Dune).
>And Frank going along with a shitty Weirding modules decision doesn't make them good, no.
Yeah, what kind of authority does Frank Herbert have to decide what's a good or bad fit for Dune? It's not as if he was the author of the whole thing or anything!
Frank wasn't actively involved, he just didn't shit on it because he was financially dependent on the movie being successful lmao
>Frank wasn't actively involved
He literally was. Had to greenlight the script and visited the set several times.
Yes it is.
The motion blurring movement from series was better than the DUNC-FU
Because Lynch had no understanding of the source material.
What is good of Dune84 is the production design, which Lynch inherited from a movie which would have been fantastic visually but clearly not Dune see
The same reason there was a robot baby in American Sniper, they didn't want to deal with all the extra bullshit (which costs money) for just one scene.
>'In order to insult Duke Leto, David Carradine, Rabban the Beast gets his army, the Algerian army, to pull down their pants in front of the palace and shit. So there's going to be a scene of 2,000 extras defecating at once. So here's Charlotte Rampling, she agrees to meet with Jodo, she gets the script, she reads the script, and she says, "I can't be in a movie where there's 2,000 extras defecating on screen!" '
CINEMA WILL NEVER RECOVER! WE WERE ROBBED
>Saint Alia of the Knife
Doesn't she just mop up the near death Sadukar who are lying on the ground defenseless and scratch the Baron with the instant death needle? Doesn't seem to warrant such a badass nickname.
She's the sister of the messiah, she needs a badass name
Evil fetus is cooler
>could have been an entire plot element where Lady Jessica slowly withdraws and seem to get crazier and crazier until its revealed her evil unborn spawn talks to her
>first scene in the movie Jessica looks at the screen and say "Paul my baby is evil and it talks to me, drink Pepsi."
BRAVO PENIS
She's not evil, she loves her Onii-sama.
>He who controls the spice controls the universe.
Lynch's Dune is the only piece of media worthy to be alongside the original book.
Literally nothing happens in the 3rd part, its just a muslim jihad killing gorillon people on different planets who are against Paul Atreides while the Ixians (chinese) take over the economy and the known universe with machines.
Has Denny ever explained why he completely omits the spacing guild in DUNC 2
Because he’s le saving it for part three when trying to make a jihad of 61 billion make somehow logistical sense to people in the opening montage
She is the villain of Children of Dune and essentially gets mercy killed by Duncan Idaho right?
Depends on your definition of "villain", I guess.
they fricked up the story SO BAD in part 2. seems like more rewrites to fix their casting issues. they fricking cast anya taylor joy as an adult alia that paul sees in a dream. they're probably waiting to bring her back into the 3rd movie or something and just wrote her out until then. jessica's constant "he said she said" with the baby in her womb was hilariously stupid and not how they did it in the books at all.
alia doesnt do anything consequential to the plot other than kill the Barron. Dennis was right to change it to paul killing him it makes more sense thematically she doesnt become a relevant character till the 3rd book
The chudcels in this thread are either trolling or genuinely mentally ill